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[DkKoba]

sup fuckers im the new chaosomega and i refuse to obvtown on principle of hating late game replacements bc its unfair to sfum

Basically also i have had 0 impact on any of the game and am coming in in limlo so pls deliberate amongst yourself and if you determine you tr eachother go ahead and vote me and if not vote eachother and i

flip a coin

use massive big brain deduction and thats that

[DkKoba]

Also i already scumread some1 b4 getting my role pm so yeah.

For reference i have confidence on reading salsa

[DkKoba]

oh gypyx didnt announce me smh lets do this:

fake mod announcment: dkkobais the new chaosomega poggers in the chat

[DkKoba]

so anyways I promised no tryhard so lets do this

[DkKoba]

Wait yalls timezone sucks so i have to wait

Gypyx you scammed me

[DkKoba]

My goal is to get a postcount higher than someone who died at least past day 1

[DkKoba]

Oh shit kyouko is in this gsme let me see if i can read her without seeing her flip

All i know rn is theres like 2 ICs or something and nm was vigged lole bad vig

[DkKoba]

Ok i guess kyouko town im too lazy to deep read

[DkKoba]

NICE I WAS RIGHT

[DkKoba]

I bet dead thread is loving this

Hi guys i love you too

[DkKoba]

@Mod

, V/LA for 3/4 days due to travel purpose.

WHAT

[DkKoba]

i have to talk to only datisi rn??? Scam

[DkKoba]

btw datisi u have a chance here bc salsa has a bad record reading me so u just vote me and u win its that easy watch

[DkKoba]

oh fuck i revealed my scumread lol haha

[DkKoba]

ok honestly i have a 100% read rate on both of u so its like as lkng as you guys cross town wins but like im not gonna be pressed abt it ykmow scum deserve a chance

[DkKoba]

Long*

[DkKoba]

implosion let dead thread shitpost in limlo it would be funny also im bored

[DkKoba]

liar
U are scumming it up in yr scum pt >:(

[DkKoba]

i will tryhard if both players ask me rly nicely btw
but otherwise i will let it be as is and not read any of the game

[DkKoba]

u voted chaos in the last dayphase thats why >:(

also margot is not a deepwolf wtf LMAO

[DkKoba]

also ur vibes were so off like town datisi be like tryna keep shit together and all and the datisi i saw there was not like that and it made me feel sadness

[DkKoba]

Just did some light rereading to understand 806 better as I'm fairly confident Datsi is scum and am wondering whether Margot is town or scum.

Updates from page 13 to bottom of page 17 (These take me a while, and I have a meeting to get to in half an hour, so can’t finish. Apologies)

Kyo:

382 makes me like her better. A lot of the justifications comning out of this aren’t necessarily justifications I buy, but the post comes across as Townier than other slots. The Mewtaph meta stuff is very interesting. Feel like the Datsi stuff might be correlating for the sake of correlating though.

Aristeia:

I like this slot a little less. 383 is a wild reason to FoS datsi. Don’t know what to make of it; I don’t like Datsi either, but reading NM and Datsi as scum because NM was read as null, with his posting 2 (3 at a stretch) genuine content posts before this one, seems very strange.

In the case of both of the above, I don't think it would change anything necessarily. They are both Null still, but these are just things that I'm keeping an eye on.

As I've explained previously, Dwlee is now in my sum reads. But, to bring it home;

InnocentVillager:

I haaaaaate everything from 395 to 416. Me aside, the fact that Salsa and Datisi are the only other scum reads, despite everything in the preceding pages, blows my mind. Mind is further blown by the Town reads on Dwlee, mewtaph and gamma, all of whom, at least up until this point, have been scummy as shit. It reads so much like scum jumping in with no idea of the game state and throwing reads around based on the first few pages.

May switch vote after reqarding the rest of the thread and working out where the votes are atm

I started around here. This is the readslist that is soon to be followed by Margot E-1ing IV. I figured the wagon on Margot would start around here but it actually doesnt come for a while.

i'm a bit busy for the next 4-5 hours so i'll properly read and respond to all the posts then (i've skimmed a bit), but i wanted to out a hot take in the meantime:

iv is likely scum. the fact that he hasn't returned from his catching up yet from yesterday (and that catchup was like 5 pages with non-explained reads? lol) is indicative that he doesn't want to be in this game. and as much as it pains me to say, if iv is red, aristeia is somewhat likely to be a partner. mainly because her reads seem to be kind of consensus-y/yeetbaity players, but there's absolutely no mention of iv anywhere, who i think would fit that description rn. her last game with me made me think she's anti bus, so i could see her be trying to divert attention from iv here.

553 is around where the IV wagon takes off. Datisi starts a push, followed by Roden, Aristea, T3, and Margot. I think from context that at the time of 553, Dwlee and Datisi were already voting IV.

VOTE: innocentvillager

you are so silly datisi

if you want me to vote iv you need but ask

VOTE: iv

i would do anything for you

VOTE: innocentvillager

VOTE: InnocentVillager

That's e-1. What's your role?

Margot puts IV to E-1. The request for a claim doesn't feel natural but from what I understand Margot is not neurotypical and I'm willing to chock the tone up to that.

i'm a bit busy for the next 4-5 hours so i'll properly read and respond to all the posts then (i've skimmed a bit), but i wanted to out a hot take in the meantime:

iv is likely scum. the fact that he hasn't returned from his catching up yet from yesterday (and that catchup was like 5 pages with non-explained reads? lol) is indicative that he doesn't want to be in this game. and as much as it pains me to say, if iv is red, aristeia is somewhat likely to be a partner. mainly because her reads seem to be kind of consensus-y/yeetbaity players, but there's absolutely no mention of iv anywhere, who i think would fit that description rn. her last game with me made me think she's anti bus, so i could see her be trying to divert attention from iv here.

okay this is the basis for my push?

Datisi idk wtf ur doing here I hope you don’t actually believe this

I have been playing this game for less than 24 hours phoneposting and I am like 20+ pages behind or whatever

Granted the late start was my fault but I don’t see how You could think I’m just scum here

My catch was done in the middle of the workday which I don’t really have a real break I’m taking time out to play this

If you MUST know what I was doing last night I am with my partner celebrating a holiday and I don’t really want to be playing mafiascum during that

Was I seriously about to die because I hadn’t posted for like 16 hours?? Hello what the fuck Datisi? And how did people agree with that?

I swear dogshit like this makes me want to go back into hiatus I don’t have like 2 hours every day to devote to this and I shouldn’t have to explain myself every time I go away for a very reasonable amount of time

Datisi you are scum here trying to push a fast one on me while I am still in catchup more or town doing idk what maybe trying to tilt me into this. like I’d like to think Town gou isn’t this bad how can you possibly show so much confidence in this read just based on that. I hope you have a great explanation for this or I am vote parking you the rest of the game

actually one of the most ridiculous flashwagons I have seen in my life

Margot is also scum here or needs to go back to Newbie queue for intentionally putting me at E1 this early on AND asking for a claim especially with NM in the game but maybe not even

I will put a little bit of time into this tonight but if I’m going to get killed because im not poring over this for hours a day like cmon that’s just ridiculous

But looking at this post, IV singles out 2 people: Datisi and Margot. He probably spends about 80% of his post focused on Datisi and 20 on Margot. While Datisi has the more substantive read and Margot's vote is clearly easy to push as scummy, IV chooses to focus Datisi. This is something that indicates to me that possibly Margot is scum, because of how IV treated her in comparison to Datisi, who seems to be town.

I was very clear about why I don't like IV. I wanted a claim out of them. Maybe e-1 wasn't the best idea in the world, but it actually got them talking, and (albeit briefly) actually got pressure mounting. Which only works if people maintain it, rather than backing off.

I've been very clear that I need data to read, because I have not been playing on this site for long enough, nor am I nearly neurotypical enough to effectively read tone in an online forum. I'm genuinely annoyed that everyone backed off there so easily, and honestly frustrated that suddenly everyone is town reading someone who has been well described as scummy, by me and others.

Honestly more concerned at everyone backing off as acting in a way I'd consider scummy right now.

these are Margot's reactions to the counter push on her. She doesnt name any names here, and I dont think she follows up with anyone that backed down (Dwlee, as Roden is IC and cant be pushed).

To be clear, I'm not frustrated that people are FoS'ing me. I'm frustrated that people seem so resistant to getting a player up against a wall d1

Also at this point I hadn't noticed any FoS except maybe from IV, and again, Margot does not name names.

Updates from page 13 to bottom of page 17 (These take me a while, and I have a meeting to get to in half an hour, so can’t finish. Apologies)

Kyo:

382 makes me like her better. A lot of the justifications comning out of this aren’t necessarily justifications I buy, but the post comes across as Townier than other slots. The Mewtaph meta stuff is very interesting. Feel like the Datsi stuff might be correlating for the sake of correlating though.

Aristeia:

I like this slot a little less. 383 is a wild reason to FoS datsi. Don’t know what to make of it; I don’t like Datsi either, but reading NM and Datsi as scum because NM was read as null, with his posting 2 (3 at a stretch) genuine content posts before this one, seems very strange.

In the case of both of the above, I don't think it would change anything necessarily. They are both Null still, but these are just things that I'm keeping an eye on.

As I've explained previously, Dwlee is now in my sum reads. But, to bring it home;

InnocentVillager:

I haaaaaate everything from 395 to 416. Me aside, the fact that Salsa and Datisi are the only other scum reads, despite everything in the preceding pages, blows my mind. Mind is further blown by the Town reads on Dwlee, mewtaph and gamma, all of whom, at least up until this point, have been scummy as shit. It reads so much like scum jumping in with no idea of the game state and throwing reads around based on the first few pages.

May switch vote after reqarding the rest of the thread and working out where the votes are atm

I feel pretty good about this post rn (minus calling me and dwlee scummy)

I grabbed this because it was the last time Gamma interacted with or mentioned Margot before the 806 post.

just some brief thoughts i had on my skim

townlean i guess

T3 - I remember meta'ing this guy back in DEFCON mafia but i feel like he's way different now this doesn't resemble either his town or scum game. Guy doesn't care he's posting every thought and just vibing. which is kind of what i do as scum sometimes too but i don't think it's something most ppl do. Being open about feeling disconnected from the game feels +town and i some of his content looks bad on the surface but he doesn't give a fuck and i think some of his takes were reasonable. The "mindmeld" with salsa post felt real and i think the excitement was genuine idk that was kinda townpingy i guess. flashvote on me was bad but he could just be trigger happy.

north of null

kyouko - anyone who proactively and early does a meta dive scumcase that clearly laid out with no bullshit can be a townlean, unless it's someone who i know can put in the effort as scum like datisi. maybe kyouko's a good scum player too so idk but fine keeping that slot around for now. i feel meh about trusting these kinds of tells because i think they tend to be mean-reverting more than ppl expect but i like the spirit

datsi - concise and nonpostury takes are very non-lamist. i think scum!gamma might be more lamisty and wordy which is the vibe i got from him in LN something

mew - idk i take back the faker comparison he seems to be very open about his thoughts and is very willing to explain everything he's thinking which is a plus - maybe he's scum good at faking this kind of stuff even under pressure tho idk seems redeemable at least

idk

datisi - i honestly have no idea on datisi nothing he's done makes me think town or scum. push on me was bad but i can see it from scum him too. sorry dayteezee i know u are good at getting ppl to townread you but not me yet. i feel like as i keep interacting with you ill get a better sense for your alignment

salsa - i get a T3/unabombah vibe from this slot very spammy and ico style catchup lol. granted una was scum in the game im thinking of but vibe here is very frazzled. idk i can't really put into words here yet but meh.

dwlee - i think some of their earlier posting was fine and reminiscent of our recent game but i wasn't exactly trying to read dwlee there so idk this reread dwlee didn't stand out like at all. idk

I feel like IV is treating Salsa's catchup and Gamma's catchup differently. I also kinda think town!Gamma is more verbose so I'm suspicious of the TR, considering Salsa does not get one.

VOTE: margot

VOTE: MargotRosa

Yeah I'm kind of not up for waiting 24-48 hrs just for 786 and 787 again.

2 quick votes appear for Margot near the top of a page. Gamma hasn't posted since near the end of 2 pages prior. He has either been reading the previous page without commenting, and decided that Margot votes were worth commenting on, or he checked the thread, read everything since his last post, and decided none of the last page was worth responding to, but that the Margot votes were.

What’s the case for Margot again
I pretty much have had my entire perception of her vanish into thin air

The problem I'm having with what he chose to respond to is that IV directed a question straight at him and he ignored it. He also didnt respond after he commented on Margot. Then, IV directs yet another post at Gamma and Gamma still does not respond. IV also makes no indication he is bothered by Gamma not responding to his first question, in fact he treats him rather cordially. Here are the 2 posts. I think the scumteam has agreed to bus IV and Gamma got concerned that Margot was getting pressure, so they had Margot make that wall post condemning IV since he was essentially a dead man walking already.

The posts:

Also, his read on me is like, honestly the biggest towntell I can pinpoint, my play here is literally the antithesis of the game he’s comparing to where I was scum, so regardless of your read on me IV should be obvious town

can you explain this? why is iv town for noticing a difference in your play between the two games?

It’s the way he noticed it, I feel like there’s ways he could have spun it to not TR me for it, so unless he’s literally trying to pocket me specifically I think he’s just town

honestly i don't really get it either

what specifically do you think scum!me does differently if i have to bullshit a read on you?

What’s the case for Margot again
I pretty much have had my entire perception of her vanish into thin air

basically the E1 and direct ask for claim at that point was rolefishy, opportunistic, unnecessary and therefore bad

i could totally see someone just outing their role and claiming there

also for how much she complained about pressure alleviating on me where the fuck is she to put more pressure on me?

not trying to be a hypocrite so this part comes with a grain of salt but it’s been 3 days since the flashwagon and she’s barely been here, does she really care about this

meh it’s mostly about the Claim I just want an answer to at this point. Less that I actually think she’s like lockscum

oh kyouko solved the game for us its ok :3 i was bored and i read stuff and i agree with this

u can be town datisi uwu

[DkKoba]

literally everyone was townlocking margot because she wrote an essay on why innocentvillager is scum or something

also if you're genuinely trying to tell me that town!datisi keeps it together... idk who you been talking to but it ain't me

oh right im the only one who knows their main so i know what tells to look for

but anyways im just gonna sheep kyouko in their in depth analysis so have fun if u are scum, game can be over already VOTE: Salsa :3

[DkKoba]

i just blame kyouko if this is wrong hehe

[DkKoba]

love u datisi

[DkKoba]

if it makes it more fun, scum!koba absolutely does the same play here and i fully admit it.

[DkKoba]

#replacingintotrolldatisi

[DkKoba]

i could cite games and wax and wane about meta and stuff regarding salsa and probably make a case but i want her to have a chance bc she had the chaos mislim lined up and me replacing in was a bad shift for her so :3


believe in u datisi :3

[DkKoba]

honestly if u like pester me enough i might tryhard so i can be obvtown but lole

better idea is to force salsa to go through all their progression and explain it over the course of the game :3 its the ultimate test that all scum will fail

[DkKoba]

oh my god did kyouko scumread gamma and townread salsa off the different treatment bc that would be hilarious honestly

[DkKoba]

wait where the fuck is gamma

[DkKoba]

am *I* the one being trolled here?

[DkKoba]

So there’s two things I kinda have come to expect from kyouko when she’s town. The first is that she carries this sort of dumbfuck energy where she kinda barrels along with whatever her thought process is, here I don’t sense that and instead she feels more calculated. The other is that she has this inexplicable hate-boner for me, but here she’s only really had a flaccid “I’ll sort him later” stance that progressed to scumleaning me only after I started wanting her head.
And being clear Kyouko, if this offends you,

good

, tbh. You seem dedicated to relish in mediocrity with your towngame so I’m working to account for that. If you don’t want me to read you this way in the future,

shape the fuck up

. This is also a bit of a personal issue because I feel like you’ve decided to stand on the wrong side of a very important line in the sand. You’ll have the chance to redeem yourself but until that opportunity properly arises you’re basically in Super Bad Player Jail.

hahahahahah sorry gamma u arent allowed to inherit my godread :3

get rekt >:)

[DkKoba]

sorry in advance datisi but im just gonna look at things from this game and quote them and rate them on how funny they are tbh bc this game is actually pretty interesting now that i start reading it

[DkKoba]

VOTE: datsi

there can be only one!

I’m the self voter, get your own schtick

NM was obvtown from this post ur vig shot sux @kyouko !

[DkKoba]

I didn't read but I just remembered I forgot to claim I'm a miller

DWLEE COPYING MY MILLER FAKECLIAM STRATS WTF

[DkKoba]

Also should mention I will not show up to a role cop as "Miller"

is this a genuine misunderstanding on how miller works or a cheeky meme scumclaim, my brain is being fried so sarcasm detectors are worse than usual

It's 100% serious. My role is not called Miller. I'm essentially a named Miller.

okay either you're fucking up a fakeclaim or playing some galaxy brain reaction test that i don't get bc universal miller isn't normal and miller can only be called miller in a normal so like idek

Okay um

I'm very sorry

I'm VT please ignore me

sigh

ok if i didnt just sheep kyouko on her read i would have just like

hardlocked datisi off this

[DkKoba]

okay either you're fucking up a fakeclaim or playing some galaxy brain reaction test that i don't get bc universal miller isn't normal and miller can only be called miller in a normal so like idek

sigh

Never ever kill Datisi. idc if there is a cop guilty, kill the cop.

U GOT IT
COP HERE GUILTY ON DATISI

[DkKoba]

yes, i did indeed see that

that is scum!t3 because...?

Elim All Liars.

terrible policy with certain players who actually get results from lying *cough* me *cough*

[DkKoba]

I’m a Miller btw

Same here! Don't we also have a masonry? Why haven't you posted in there?

i don't think this post sounds believeable at all and pretending it does is weird as hell to me, and if t3 is green i think kyouko deserves a closer look

rereading the t3 claim, not only is mason miller a nonsense role combination, he's apparently outing his mason buddy too, and how can you think any of this is serious

actually yeah
VOTE: kyouko

mason miller immediately outing his partner makes no sense

scum locking themself into such a powerful claim so early on makes even less sense

datisi i will teach u the art of the kyouko godread after this game ok

even if u hammer me

bc ogi bad

[DkKoba]

damn i woulda solved this whole game if i were in it from the start theres like so many towny as fuck posts there from people i feel confident in reading + salsa was scummy as shit meta wise LMAO

[DkKoba]

Nah you still gotta prove you've been town the whole game to datisi :3
Cant case me i havent been here (; but yep

[DkKoba]

I'm so town im literally cyan colored B)

[DkKoba]

fuck me

datisi ill let u choose if i tryhard

but ofc u know how it happens, i have to be annoyed at something so

I'll say this - salsa when ive encountered her as town has bad reads -but- they have conviction always - a trait lacking this game among the wishiwashiness. Idk if u were the mod of mini normal FIA but thats a good example that comes to mind

[DkKoba]

hi sorry for not being here today but today was hella busy and also i hate endgames

koba, could you point out what you thought was scummy about salsa and how is she showing scum meta or whatever it was

ngl i'm gonna need much more from you if you're town because i can't say i see it rn (not really based on what you've done, moreso your predecessor)

salsa, you like, idk
do whatever you feel is best
self towncase
scumcase omega
draw me something
idk surprise me

pee pee poo poo u tried to lim chaos as town in the last normal we were in together smh(and if u didnt I was still the only one defending him so)

honestly look at chaos and how their reached their conclusions and not his conclusions themselves bc u will never - ever townread chaos thinking about his actions.



its probably easier to scumcase salsa in a way thats actually easily believable bc her townplay is very polarized compared to her play in this game - the main thing i pointed out is missing in a big way(the conviction on reads and pushes, especially in the early game)


also i refer to kyouko's case where he points out IV's treatment of margot and another slot and then points out the different treatment margot gives salsa and gamma, calling gamma scum at the time(im assuming? thats what I gathered from it) and then gamma has flipped town since.

[DkKoba]

full disclosure i just sheeped kyouko's case and that was the sole reason i voted

[DkKoba]

like fuck it was a good case on associatives between IV - Margot - Salsa

[DkKoba]

don't let kyouko down after she carried the fuck out of this game by making that big analysis post ;-; its really good and i sheeped it for a reason

[DkKoba]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87005&user_select[]=34893
like here look how salsa comes out SWINGING in her 2nd post in this game - like compared to her soft approach here on D1 - there's a polar difference. Salsa is afraid to step on toes here because she doesnt know yet where she wants to go atp.

[DkKoba]

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=87058&user_select[]=35893
here too - Faria is town and has a notably higher aggression vibe in her posts compared to here on d1.


I have 1 more game to link

[DkKoba]

Ok this game is a bit of a miss in terms of that meta - but I have narrowed down the polarizing tell that is consistent still - in that salsa has a solve attitude in the town games listed thus far: viewtopic.php?f=54&t=86228&user_select[]=34893

Its also not the last game i was going to list

[DkKoba]

salsa early game here is more concerned with asking fluff questions and avoiding interacting and pushing on people - I think you can agree with me on that datisi reading it?

[DkKoba]

While there is an attempt it is a pillowed attempt

[DkKoba]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87211&user_select[]=34893

this game looks best for salsa in comparison to this game when comparing entrance posts ^ *but* the fluff is only early game banter and she does eventually shift into a tryhard mode.

thats all the meta i can share


i didnt compare later game than that bedcause im lazy and shes confirmed scum to me so f u

oops this is me haha

[DkKoba]

i guess ill towncase chaos im bored

[DkKoba]

Lol, page 1 just unloading the cannon.

I actually didn't like 10 more, I was voting for that before I was sniped. It reads like cautious scum, they want to make a vote to build a wagon and force pressure to look town but don't want to step on any toes, so they pull all the teeth from the vote saying it's for pressure and they're not sure what for.

Evidently I think you're more likely to be town than not because I don't think mafia!you steps on my toes as boldly as you have but I've been wrong before.

in what way does salsa's posts towards you make you think it's unlikely to be scum stepping on toes, that doesn't make you feel so from me/omega?

also, can was there a reason you picked her - taking a cursory glance at your topics, i don't see you've played together before?

It felt unnecessarily stand-offish. Scum can accomplish the same outcome (ie. reaching the conclusion of voting me) without navigating it the way that they did.

I chose her because of all places I could place my vote at the time, 1) this applied genuine pressure at the time, 2 votes being the largest wagon possible. This limited my options to a few people already. From there, I guess you could say it's a guessing game. I could be wrong about my read, as I have gotten similar reactions from both town and mafia. It depends on how things develop from here.

Placing a 2nd vote on someone on page 1 with the reason "Applying additional pressure here. Results of said pressure to be determined" does not apply "genuine pressure". Your last game I see, you were town and entered the game with a naked vote on a building wagon. That can actually build pressure. What you've done this game looks fake.

On an unrelated note Mewtaph, what do you think of Margot?

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ssbm, what is your read on Mewtaph, and what are your thoughts on the iv wagon forming?

datisi pls this is towny as fk

i even forgot for like 5 seconds this was my slot and i was like "SHIT i townread the fuck outta this"

[DkKoba]

lol in the FIA game chaos replaced in, voted the person i said was blatant town off spew and then like - peaced out and we won xD honestly sums up why chaos gets FOS'd in games so much

[DkKoba]

honestly datisi this is easier if u tell me why you think chaos is scummy and i can like try to debunk it bc I have the power of having a greencheck on him so i know it is wrong. chaos is like hard to parse i understand

[DkKoba]

(also understand like i would have like been more hesitant and read the gamestate more instead of going balls to the wall if i replaced into a scum slot, and probably would have thought i could convince salsa here as scum the way they were posting against you)

[DkKoba]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86774&user_select[]=7127

oh here's a game i defend chaos at first and cave in after i call out the last scum(kyouko) when replacing in - might be a helpful read

[DkKoba]

i honestly dont know how i read chaos bc i do it a lot by vibes but like generally you can feel like how his thoughts interact with the thread and look at his posts and be like "yeah this was thought out even though its completely bad and wrong"

[DkKoba]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87284&user_select[]=7127

and here is like an example you were present for datisi where chaos was getting heat for his playstyle - despite like having a really solvy mindset

honestly idk how he got heat cuz i replaced in and also townread him LOL


tbh idk if i can towncase in a way that other ppl can see him as town bc like i just see him as an easy read

[DkKoba]

If no one's interested in datsi, I'll make my vote useful.

VOTE: innocentvillager

I can't get a good read on T3 or N_M this game (or ever, really), so I'm fine going there as well. Not really into the Margot wagon.

oh come on datisi do u think this is a bussing vote??

pls reread chaos' iso its like so enlightening and im sure you havent since you FOS'd him

[DkKoba]

VOTE: MargotRosa

Backups don't inherit, universal backups do. This is a messed up fake claim, she's probably mafia universal backup, which would inherit.

on god this is such an uninformed post LMAO

[DkKoba]

i know who margot is and she would absolutely botch a fakeclaim in the subtle way i saw she did btw

[DkKoba]

Oh thanks!
So

MR

is town?

this on the other hand is a scum pleading that they dont have to endgame

[DkKoba]

I'm not understanding this role thing but I also saw

universal backup

, not just

backup

in any of my games so far.

Btw, if

MR

flips red, the partner is likely

Ari

or

CO

here?

Datisi

seems unlikely.
If

MR

flips green, then

CO

is confscum?

UNVOTE: CO

VOTE: MR

Oh thanks!
So

MR

is town?

this is pretty much hard leaked fake progression exposed

this is someone who wants to look good but also wants to take an out

[DkKoba]

Also, I'm not aligned with Margot, I would have coached her on this if I was. Your partner either doesn't have a lot of experience as well or just let you down.

^^^^^^^^ cmon datisi lmao chaos showed intense knowledge of role mechs this is the same as me letting my own partner slip

seriously

[DkKoba]

I don't have much knowledge about roles and mechanism

CO

but I've green role pm

oh! and a minor slip

we know why datisi

[DkKoba]

This is going to be such a waste of time when I flip green and you've all wasted 5 IRL days trying to find my non-existent partner lol

this definitely sounds like a person who planned to be flipped btw and not someone frustrated trying to avoid being flipped

[DkKoba]

salsa does not because it feels to me like margot was genuinely trying to get her yeeted (and margot's post towards salsa is what made me go !!! in the first place so would be kinda sad if salsa was scum)

@datisi pls quote where this is because i will definitely find progression that proves is not the case

[DkKoba]

fun fact as of this post i have now officially posted as much as chaos did for the whole game

[DkKoba]

I hope you understand that those games you linked help my case

[DkKoba]

Yeah i know it isnt

Which is why youre going to explain for datisi :

What your read was on margot pre-vote for her and what your thoughts were when you voted her

What your thoughts were on datisi and chaos' alignment going into this dayphase - why did you find chaos townier than datisi? You were very much showing hell bent force on limming him over my slot so saying you scumread us both will be a non answer.

And - to datisi:
Note how chaos was totally on board with the "margot framed a less skilled scum player- now note that means chaos here genuinely thought the game was going to end on an ari lim. Their energy start of day here betrays that.
As scum they wouldn't take this route because it would lead back to him after ari - as it is doing now. He would go for the obvious frame right away and then limlo is easier. Scumplay is often shortsighted - and when scum frame a townie it isnt to lim them 2 days later its to do it the day after. Reread with the theory in mind I have that salsa came into this day trying to frame you as scum and keep the theory alive that it is
And my action to just vote salsa is just nigh on laughable from the perspective that im scum and you 2 are town because the gamestate i saw was very plainly easier to just vote you and let salsa mess up in the world im scum.

All in all - occams razor

[DkKoba]

Probably would have been better to wait and see how salsa keeps trying to frame you and even bait her to vote you to win here but i was just looking to play lazy amd it made me excited when kyouko had a very compelling case on both scum, even if they didnt know it at the time.

[DkKoba]

I c u datisi come talk :3

[DkKoba]

ur priorities are silly >:(

[DkKoba]

datisi i miss u

fuk this me LMFAO

[DkKoba]

honestly if u like pester me enough i might tryhard so i can be obvtown but lole

better idea is to force salsa to go through all their progression and explain it over the course of the game :3 its the ultimate test that all scum will fail

btw this still applies datisi i highly suggest this test, especially at the points I laid out.

also for any townreads they might have made preemptively etc.

a townie will always be able to show genuine thought and a scum will not especially once its limlo and you've been lying for 5 day phases straight.

[DkKoba]

that looks very pillow pushy honestly and obviously im biased but like i disagree that those are actual attempts to get someone limmed

i'd call it more inconclusive than anything from an objective standpoint - though obviously fmpov its a distancing attempt. and when you look a few posts further where margot immediately extends an olive branch there - which really disproves the theory that MR was trying to get salsa limmed

[DkKoba]

datisi go to sleep challenge

[DkKoba]

Imo i think i am not worthy to being nightkilled, so don't bother mafia.

Alive Enchant increases your chance to win!

enchant is so funny
never change bud

i keep doing this

[DkKoba]

So, scum didn’t kill???

Is this team (

Ari

/

CO

) possible? They happen to know many things but as towns, they shouldn’t?

notice like after margot claims though - salsa assumes thats that and margot will likely be townread here - this is the POV of a scum who knows their partner claimed a PR role and is unaware of consequences that will happen.

later when people are not as convinced, salsa dumps a vote onto MR -> then promptly unvotes again once margot unvotes.

this is not how town!salsa operates.

when town salsa has a scumread she keeps that scumread hard and is reluctant to let go of it.


margot was hard arguing the point about the role PM and most definitely does not come off as believing it - Chaos is the first to call out the blunder which you may point out as TMI but why does scum!chaos with scum!margot bother with such an ellaborate play with the IC already tunneled on what in this scenario would be a town!Salsa?

chaos pointed out a very obscure slip - which you'd have to argue they planned randomly while the gamestate was in their favor.
1964

this was BEFORE kyouko pointed out the fact that their role was the vig and why that was a slip.

[DkKoba]

and around this time salsa is more concerned about whether or not margot is confscum or if there is a chance to push margot town still - there is no thought process about what this actually means for margot's alignment. this is just trying to figure out what level of fucked she is here.

[DkKoba]

oh. seeing now that chaos was calling ari scum off their treatment of margot slot so that throws out my earlier reasoning of chaos being unreasonable to be scum based on who they pushed last dayphase but we still balling because no matter how much evidence gets disproved as NAI, etc. there is still guaranteed to be a genuine link

[DkKoba]

im only alive in like 3 games so like my boredom is enough now that im actually going to tryhard this game RIP

[DkKoba]

i'll see if i can solidify this case to the point where a 5 year old can see the correct conclusion by looking at some IV interactions tho iirc when skimming this game i saw they died d1 so rip good info

[DkKoba]

is this what it’s like to do an Ico style catchup? woww

anyways back to work I got through a very productive 5 pages

scum are Datisi salsa and margot
Town are dwlee mewtaph and gamma

LMAO this dude actually fucking went out trying to bus

[DkKoba]

just some brief thoughts i had on my skim

townlean i guess

T3 - I remember meta'ing this guy back in DEFCON mafia but i feel like he's way different now this doesn't resemble either his town or scum game. Guy doesn't care he's posting every thought and just vibing. which is kind of what i do as scum sometimes too but i don't think it's something most ppl do. Being open about feeling disconnected from the game feels +town and i some of his content looks bad on the surface but he doesn't give a fuck and i think some of his takes were reasonable. The "mindmeld" with salsa post felt real and i think the excitement was genuine idk that was kinda townpingy i guess. flashvote on me was bad but he could just be trigger happy.

north of null

kyouko - anyone who proactively and early does a meta dive scumcase that clearly laid out with no bullshit can be a townlean, unless it's someone who i know can put in the effort as scum like datisi. maybe kyouko's a good scum player too so idk but fine keeping that slot around for now. i feel meh about trusting these kinds of tells because i think they tend to be mean-reverting more than ppl expect but i like the spirit

datsi - concise and nonpostury takes are very non-lamist. i think scum!gamma might be more lamisty and wordy which is the vibe i got from him in LN something

mew - idk i take back the faker comparison he seems to be very open about his thoughts and is very willing to explain everything he's thinking which is a plus - maybe he's scum good at faking this kind of stuff even under pressure tho idk seems redeemable at least

idk

datisi - i honestly have no idea on datisi nothing he's done makes me think town or scum. push on me was bad but i can see it from scum him too. sorry dayteezee i know u are good at getting ppl to townread you but not me yet. i feel like as i keep interacting with you ill get a better sense for your alignment

salsa - i get a T3/unabombah vibe from this slot very spammy and ico style catchup lol. granted una was scum in the game im thinking of but vibe here is very frazzled. idk i can't really put into words here yet but meh.

dwlee - i think some of their earlier posting was fine and reminiscent of our recent game but i wasn't exactly trying to read dwlee there so idk this reread dwlee didn't stand out like at all. idk

this is trying to subtly tie T3 and salsa as TvT

[DkKoba]

Margot is kind of close to a TR but I need more. I don't know how to describe it. I do think she's more likely town than not though.

Margot is kind of close to a TR but I need more. I don't know how to describe it. I do think she's more likely town than not though.

Actually I take that back. I don't know lol.

what happened between these two posts?

this is how IV treats their scumbud that flipped -> IV shades someone for changing their mind to a scumread on their scumbud while claiming to have that person at the top of their to lim list.


this is a theme I'm seeing with salsa too btw so you can see for yourself datisi

[DkKoba]

I'm back properly, and I have the energy and the the passion to actually spell out all the reasons IV is scum.

IV drops in 336, clearly has only caught up enough to have worked out they had three votes and that's it. They park a vote on Datsi (338), well outside of RVS, but four hours later they indicate they don't have a reads list 395.

I would be interested for someone to do a meta dive on all their posts prior to 570. The ones with anything even approaching substance are all but non-existent, and I have serious doubts about the ones that claim to have substance.

Before we get into 570, I would also like to make a brief detour to point out that my read on IV in 526 is basically the same read that Datisi gives in 553. If you don't like my vote, don't like theirs either. Which you won't do, obviously, because Datisi is basically town lock for everyone at this point.

So then 570.

i'm a bit busy for the next 4-5 hours so i'll properly read and respond to all the posts then (i've skimmed a bit), but i wanted to out a hot take in the meantime:

iv is likely scum. the fact that he hasn't returned from his catching up yet from yesterday (and that catchup was like 5 pages with non-explained reads? lol) is indicative that he doesn't want to be in this game. and as much as it pains me to say, if iv is red, aristeia is somewhat likely to be a partner. mainly because her reads seem to be kind of consensus-y/yeetbaity players, but there's absolutely no mention of iv anywhere, who i think would fit that description rn. her last game with me made me think she's anti bus, so i could see her be trying to divert attention from iv here.

okay this is the basis for my push?

Datisi idk wtf ur doing here I hope you don’t actually believe this

I have been playing this game for less than 24 hours phoneposting and I am like 20+ pages behind or whatever

Granted the late start was my fault but I don’t see how You could think I’m just scum here

My catch was done in the middle of the workday which I don’t really have a real break I’m taking time out to play this

If you MUST know what I was doing last night I am with my partner celebrating a holiday and I don’t really want to be playing mafiascum during that

Was I seriously about to die because I hadn’t posted for like 16 hours?? Hello what the fuck Datisi? And how did people agree with that?

I swear dogshit like this makes me want to go back into hiatus I don’t have like 2 hours every day to devote to this and I shouldn’t have to explain myself every time I go away for a very reasonable amount of time

Datisi you are scum here trying to push a fast one on me while I am still in catchup more or town doing idk what maybe trying to tilt me into this. like I’d like to think Town gou isn’t this bad how can you possibly show so much confidence in this read just based on that. I hope you have a great explanation for this or I am vote parking you the rest of the game

actually one of the most ridiculous flashwagons I have seen in my life

Margot is also scum here or needs to go back to Newbie queue for intentionally putting me at E1 this early on AND asking for a claim especially with NM in the game but maybe not even

I will put a little bit of time into this tonight but if I’m going to get killed because im not poring over this for hours a day like cmon that’s just ridiculous

So first off, it isn't actually true that it had been less than 24 hours. This post was made

just over

24 hours after the last one. I felt like my autism was probably showing a bit too much to hold onto this as a tell, but I really didn't like it at the time. Less than 24 hours works better for AtE purposes than "24 hours ago" imo, so it was a slight scum tell. Especially when the gap between the posts previous and the posts made in this block was just over 18 hours, and in the post he says it had been 16. Like, minor inconsistencies, but it just got into my head a bit that there were enough little lies that had just enough of an emotional justification to be indicative of something.

Aside from anything else, though, this is a wild post to come from someone who has refused to give reads given the string of posts from 395 to 416, in which he spends over 20 minutes posting on this forum, responding to other people's play and giving slight reads one way or the other. This part here, "Datisi you are scum here trying to push a fast one on me while I am still in catchup more or town doing idk what maybe trying to tilt me into this." is particularly telling, imo. The only adequate response to Datisi would be reads. Instead, they get mad about Datisi expecting any reads in the first place.

Why? Because they have no reads. Because they know who scum is, and because if you are Town and have 20 minutes to read through a game, your priority is finding scum, and if you are Scum and have 20 minutes to read through a game, your priority is making sure everyone thinks you are Town.

That's why there are so many posts in that 20 minute window.

That's why the posts are full of inane nonsense.

That's why 24 hours after entering the game properly, IV still had no real reads, and had instead spent what little time he had on the forums to try and endear himself to other players rather than read people's alignment.

IV is scum. I throw the book straight at his face and say good day.

VOTE: IV

I don’t understand your case or why people like it

first part looks like a literal summary of my play okay it’s just an entrance you said nothing AI about it

the time thing wasn’t based on my post, it’s based on datisi’s post and the posts after that, so it WAS less than 24 hours after my entrance that I came in

I don’t know why it’s so hard for people to understand that I forgot about this game and I literally JUST started playing so at that point I just gave initial impressions for like 20 min?

Then the rest of the “case” just looks like narrative “oh lol iv is defending himself and doesn’t give reads”

of course I am defending myself I just got flashwagoned ?

whatever honestly I don’t really care about this game rn VOTE: innocentvillager goodbye

<scum always self hammer on busses scum always self hammer on busses>

[DkKoba]

considering chaos was a pretty early vote on iv and his content seemed fine otherwise, i'm gonna need a bit more than "poe"

can i have this datisi here for the easy win uwu

[DkKoba]

ok that reminds me real talk datisi if you hammered salsa i was gonna be like "yes I won!"

and if u asked me if scum won i'd just be like (: idk, I know I won though as a troll LMAO

[DkKoba]

UNVOTE:

Fine with the T3 lim here with what he's posted today. If T3 does flip scum, will need to go back through the game, my main assumption with the Ari read is T3 being town. I think datsi still makes sense as scum there, and 1270 has a weird overly defensive vibe, they were suspected but not being pushed.

ok honestly datisi - if chaos is scum here - instead of an unvote on ari - we see him either keep the vote there as pressure to maintain TvT wagons or a vote on T3 to accelerate the day

[DkKoba]

VOTE: chaos
i'm dying today aren't i

Bad vote

salsa is townreading my slot as of this post btw ^

[DkKoba]

also you will note salsa did vote t3 and kept it there and margot was the hammer - this was a scum effort to rush that lim.

[DkKoba]

Yeah i know it isnt

Which is why youre going to explain for datisi :

What your read was on margot pre-vote for her and what your thoughts were when you voted her

I didn’t townread

MR

on D1 but townread

Datisi

. After

iv

's flip, I started to locktown both of them based on their push on

iv

and it’s continued. I'm saying it again that I was really convinced that

datsi

is one scum but when he flipped green, I literally didn’t have the ability to think/solve.
In 1654, I explained why I thought

CO

is most likely to be scum and still town locked

MR

and

Datisi

at that point. Then from page 73,

Datisi

vs

MR

happened and eventually lead the fake claim blunder from

MR

which made her obvscum.

In 1907,

ssbm

hinted that if any more backups claim were due except

MR

because of her own role: JOAT which she later explained that why she thought

MR

's claim can be true. As my expertise is not here, I definitely rely on the conftown here who knows roles stuffs thus asked the question on 1973 after

ssbm

's 1972 to understand if

MR

was lying or not. Then

CO

told

MR

's claim isn’t possible in normal games, so it confirmed that

MR

is the scum.

What your thoughts were on datisi and chaos' alignment going into this dayphase - why did you find chaos townier than datisi? You were very much showing hell bent force on limming him over my slot so saying you scumread us both will be a non answer.

Can you please show where I tell I'm scumreading

Datisi

over your slot in this day phase?
When you're cherry picking, you missed my analysis posts I can see now, where on D5, I analysis both

Ari

and your slot by saying that

I'm considering both of them are scums to find out after analysis is who is likely to be scum between them

,

Datisi

was still locktowned. At the end of the D5, conftown

Enchant

told me to consider scum!

Datisi

scenario if

Ari

flipped green. At the beginning of this day phase, in my 1st post (2224), I said

CO

is more scummy than

Datisi

from the analysis. Didn’t say for once that I'm scumreading both of you or

CO

is more townier than

Datisi

nor I was on hell bent force for eliminating

Datisi

, (I started scum!him analysis but you proved him as an obvtown so I didn’t need to finish it) it’s a blatant miss rep.

And my action to just vote salsa is just nigh on laughable from the perspective that im scum and you 2 are town because the gamestate i saw was very plainly easier to just vote you and let salsa mess up in the world im scum.
All in all - occams razor

Lol! When I said I find

CO

scummier than

Datisi

, how did I mess up by voting you?? You're going for the easy target by taking no risk, it doesn't require Galaxy brain game...

why was CO scummy?

[DkKoba]

what made you change your mind from CO being town to being scum?

[DkKoba]

your explainations for why you shifted your reads are all reactionary based on the gamestate which very much show that you cared more about how you perceived by the thread and not making your own genuine reads lol

[DkKoba]

no no no

explain it again

now.

why did you change your read from chaos town to chaos scum?

this is the test you cannot pass.

[DkKoba]

Chaos literally buried MR before MR fully slipped


so why were they scum there to you?

[DkKoba]

no it isn't the way you play

[DkKoba]

nope you gotta explain it!

how is CO scum after you were reading them town?

[DkKoba]

your actions all from scum POV are very blatantly well positioned -

while chaos is just all over the place whatever very anarchic and not caring how they are viewed.

its blatant.

@datisi if you hammer wrong here i'll be disappointed

[DkKoba]

Chaos literally buried MR before MR fully slipped


so why were they scum there to you?

Again, READ THE GAME...

CO

townlocked her till the fake claim not happened

and so what if he townread her?

that doesnt make him scum


the important part is that chaos was intimately aware of how backups worked and thus would not have had margot make such a mistake unless margot was sure to go under because as far as margot saw from how she was talking- she thought her claim put her in the clear

[DkKoba]

the thing is chaos' biggest push was on you - so really like it was unfortunate he was right there on the final scum and we're in limlo now.


@datisi if you think CO might be scum because they are wrong consider that you are town and also were wrong and instead look at the positioning CO had and how it isn't agenda based.

[DkKoba]

honestly it do be chaos + datisi's fault for voting out ari for no reason that was v bad and silly but like fr datisi u gotta realize that chaos' progression is natural

[DkKoba]

why does scum chaos go from -> im townlocking margot -> let her claim a botched role -> immediately calls her out on it as the only one to know the mechs behind it


its like absurd because the point of a claim as scum is to avoid a lim and clearly that is a terrible spot for chaos to bus and margot knows that


margot was exposed via non bussers and its clear from how she reacts to pushes on her.

[DkKoba]

That's why you're so happy because

MR

's fake claim literally point towards me because everyone knows that I'm not good with this stuff So, congrats!

facts are facts

[DkKoba]

you cannot even answer a simple question about your read change and your explaination about your margot read shift has to do with the gamestate with is exactly what i was accusing you of in the first place as scummy so

[DkKoba]

granted i gave you a freebie that makes you look good by blundering that ididnt read the game fully and that you were claiming i was scum


if im scum here i dont just random vote like that without knowledge of the gamestate ftr

datisi is much harder to convince and i showed clear lack of info of your scumread of CO so

[DkKoba]

overall tho @datisi go back to the kyouko post and see how MR/IV treat gamma and salsa differently and see how she is spewed scum from that.

thats a smoking gun and how i reached my conclusion so fast.

[DkKoba]

Just did some light rereading to understand 806 better as I'm fairly confident Datsi is scum and am wondering whether Margot is town or scum.

Updates from page 13 to bottom of page 17 (These take me a while, and I have a meeting to get to in half an hour, so can’t finish. Apologies)

Kyo:

382 makes me like her better. A lot of the justifications comning out of this aren’t necessarily justifications I buy, but the post comes across as Townier than other slots. The Mewtaph meta stuff is very interesting. Feel like the Datsi stuff might be correlating for the sake of correlating though.

Aristeia:

I like this slot a little less. 383 is a wild reason to FoS datsi. Don’t know what to make of it; I don’t like Datsi either, but reading NM and Datsi as scum because NM was read as null, with his posting 2 (3 at a stretch) genuine content posts before this one, seems very strange.

In the case of both of the above, I don't think it would change anything necessarily. They are both Null still, but these are just things that I'm keeping an eye on.

As I've explained previously, Dwlee is now in my sum reads. But, to bring it home;

InnocentVillager:

I haaaaaate everything from 395 to 416. Me aside, the fact that Salsa and Datisi are the only other scum reads, despite everything in the preceding pages, blows my mind. Mind is further blown by the Town reads on Dwlee, mewtaph and gamma, all of whom, at least up until this point, have been scummy as shit. It reads so much like scum jumping in with no idea of the game state and throwing reads around based on the first few pages.

May switch vote after reqarding the rest of the thread and working out where the votes are atm

I started around here. This is the readslist that is soon to be followed by Margot E-1ing IV. I figured the wagon on Margot would start around here but it actually doesnt come for a while.

i'm a bit busy for the next 4-5 hours so i'll properly read and respond to all the posts then (i've skimmed a bit), but i wanted to out a hot take in the meantime:

iv is likely scum. the fact that he hasn't returned from his catching up yet from yesterday (and that catchup was like 5 pages with non-explained reads? lol) is indicative that he doesn't want to be in this game. and as much as it pains me to say, if iv is red, aristeia is somewhat likely to be a partner. mainly because her reads seem to be kind of consensus-y/yeetbaity players, but there's absolutely no mention of iv anywhere, who i think would fit that description rn. her last game with me made me think she's anti bus, so i could see her be trying to divert attention from iv here.

553 is around where the IV wagon takes off. Datisi starts a push, followed by Roden, Aristea, T3, and Margot. I think from context that at the time of 553, Dwlee and Datisi were already voting IV.

VOTE: innocentvillager

you are so silly datisi

if you want me to vote iv you need but ask

VOTE: iv

i would do anything for you

VOTE: innocentvillager

VOTE: InnocentVillager

That's e-1. What's your role?

Margot puts IV to E-1. The request for a claim doesn't feel natural but from what I understand Margot is not neurotypical and I'm willing to chock the tone up to that.

i'm a bit busy for the next 4-5 hours so i'll properly read and respond to all the posts then (i've skimmed a bit), but i wanted to out a hot take in the meantime:

iv is likely scum. the fact that he hasn't returned from his catching up yet from yesterday (and that catchup was like 5 pages with non-explained reads? lol) is indicative that he doesn't want to be in this game. and as much as it pains me to say, if iv is red, aristeia is somewhat likely to be a partner. mainly because her reads seem to be kind of consensus-y/yeetbaity players, but there's absolutely no mention of iv anywhere, who i think would fit that description rn. her last game with me made me think she's anti bus, so i could see her be trying to divert attention from iv here.

okay this is the basis for my push?

Datisi idk wtf ur doing here I hope you don’t actually believe this

I have been playing this game for less than 24 hours phoneposting and I am like 20+ pages behind or whatever

Granted the late start was my fault but I don’t see how You could think I’m just scum here

My catch was done in the middle of the workday which I don’t really have a real break I’m taking time out to play this

If you MUST know what I was doing last night I am with my partner celebrating a holiday and I don’t really want to be playing mafiascum during that

Was I seriously about to die because I hadn’t posted for like 16 hours?? Hello what the fuck Datisi? And how did people agree with that?

I swear dogshit like this makes me want to go back into hiatus I don’t have like 2 hours every day to devote to this and I shouldn’t have to explain myself every time I go away for a very reasonable amount of time

Datisi you are scum here trying to push a fast one on me while I am still in catchup more or town doing idk what maybe trying to tilt me into this. like I’d like to think Town gou isn’t this bad how can you possibly show so much confidence in this read just based on that. I hope you have a great explanation for this or I am vote parking you the rest of the game

actually one of the most ridiculous flashwagons I have seen in my life

Margot is also scum here or needs to go back to Newbie queue for intentionally putting me at E1 this early on AND asking for a claim especially with NM in the game but maybe not even

I will put a little bit of time into this tonight but if I’m going to get killed because im not poring over this for hours a day like cmon that’s just ridiculous

But looking at this post, IV singles out 2 people: Datisi and Margot. He probably spends about 80% of his post focused on Datisi and 20 on Margot. While Datisi has the more substantive read and Margot's vote is clearly easy to push as scummy, IV chooses to focus Datisi. This is something that indicates to me that possibly Margot is scum, because of how IV treated her in comparison to Datisi, who seems to be town.

I was very clear about why I don't like IV. I wanted a claim out of them. Maybe e-1 wasn't the best idea in the world, but it actually got them talking, and (albeit briefly) actually got pressure mounting. Which only works if people maintain it, rather than backing off.

I've been very clear that I need data to read, because I have not been playing on this site for long enough, nor am I nearly neurotypical enough to effectively read tone in an online forum. I'm genuinely annoyed that everyone backed off there so easily, and honestly frustrated that suddenly everyone is town reading someone who has been well described as scummy, by me and others.

Honestly more concerned at everyone backing off as acting in a way I'd consider scummy right now.

these are Margot's reactions to the counter push on her. She doesnt name any names here, and I dont think she follows up with anyone that backed down (Dwlee, as Roden is IC and cant be pushed).

To be clear, I'm not frustrated that people are FoS'ing me. I'm frustrated that people seem so resistant to getting a player up against a wall d1

Also at this point I hadn't noticed any FoS except maybe from IV, and again, Margot does not name names.

Updates from page 13 to bottom of page 17 (These take me a while, and I have a meeting to get to in half an hour, so can’t finish. Apologies)

Kyo:

382 makes me like her better. A lot of the justifications comning out of this aren’t necessarily justifications I buy, but the post comes across as Townier than other slots. The Mewtaph meta stuff is very interesting. Feel like the Datsi stuff might be correlating for the sake of correlating though.

Aristeia:

I like this slot a little less. 383 is a wild reason to FoS datsi. Don’t know what to make of it; I don’t like Datsi either, but reading NM and Datsi as scum because NM was read as null, with his posting 2 (3 at a stretch) genuine content posts before this one, seems very strange.

In the case of both of the above, I don't think it would change anything necessarily. They are both Null still, but these are just things that I'm keeping an eye on.

As I've explained previously, Dwlee is now in my sum reads. But, to bring it home;

InnocentVillager:

I haaaaaate everything from 395 to 416. Me aside, the fact that Salsa and Datisi are the only other scum reads, despite everything in the preceding pages, blows my mind. Mind is further blown by the Town reads on Dwlee, mewtaph and gamma, all of whom, at least up until this point, have been scummy as shit. It reads so much like scum jumping in with no idea of the game state and throwing reads around based on the first few pages.

May switch vote after reqarding the rest of the thread and working out where the votes are atm

I feel pretty good about this post rn (minus calling me and dwlee scummy)

I grabbed this because it was the last time Gamma interacted with or mentioned Margot before the 806 post.

just some brief thoughts i had on my skim

townlean i guess

T3 - I remember meta'ing this guy back in DEFCON mafia but i feel like he's way different now this doesn't resemble either his town or scum game. Guy doesn't care he's posting every thought and just vibing. which is kind of what i do as scum sometimes too but i don't think it's something most ppl do. Being open about feeling disconnected from the game feels +town and i some of his content looks bad on the surface but he doesn't give a fuck and i think some of his takes were reasonable. The "mindmeld" with salsa post felt real and i think the excitement was genuine idk that was kinda townpingy i guess. flashvote on me was bad but he could just be trigger happy.

north of null

kyouko - anyone who proactively and early does a meta dive scumcase that clearly laid out with no bullshit can be a townlean, unless it's someone who i know can put in the effort as scum like datisi. maybe kyouko's a good scum player too so idk but fine keeping that slot around for now. i feel meh about trusting these kinds of tells because i think they tend to be mean-reverting more than ppl expect but i like the spirit

datsi - concise and nonpostury takes are very non-lamist. i think scum!gamma might be more lamisty and wordy which is the vibe i got from him in LN something

mew - idk i take back the faker comparison he seems to be very open about his thoughts and is very willing to explain everything he's thinking which is a plus - maybe he's scum good at faking this kind of stuff even under pressure tho idk seems redeemable at least

idk

datisi - i honestly have no idea on datisi nothing he's done makes me think town or scum. push on me was bad but i can see it from scum him too. sorry dayteezee i know u are good at getting ppl to townread you but not me yet. i feel like as i keep interacting with you ill get a better sense for your alignment

salsa - i get a T3/unabombah vibe from this slot very spammy and ico style catchup lol. granted una was scum in the game im thinking of but vibe here is very frazzled. idk i can't really put into words here yet but meh.

dwlee - i think some of their earlier posting was fine and reminiscent of our recent game but i wasn't exactly trying to read dwlee there so idk this reread dwlee didn't stand out like at all. idk

I feel like IV is treating Salsa's catchup and Gamma's catchup differently. I also kinda think town!Gamma is more verbose so I'm suspicious of the TR, considering Salsa does not get one.

VOTE: margot

VOTE: MargotRosa

Yeah I'm kind of not up for waiting 24-48 hrs just for 786 and 787 again.

2 quick votes appear for Margot near the top of a page. Gamma hasn't posted since near the end of 2 pages prior. He has either been reading the previous page without commenting, and decided that Margot votes were worth commenting on, or he checked the thread, read everything since his last post, and decided none of the last page was worth responding to, but that the Margot votes were.

What’s the case for Margot again
I pretty much have had my entire perception of her vanish into thin air

The problem I'm having with what he chose to respond to is that IV directed a question straight at him and he ignored it. He also didnt respond after he commented on Margot. Then, IV directs yet another post at Gamma and Gamma still does not respond. IV also makes no indication he is bothered by Gamma not responding to his first question, in fact he treats him rather cordially. Here are the 2 posts. I think the scumteam has agreed to bus IV and Gamma got concerned that Margot was getting pressure, so they had Margot make that wall post condemning IV since he was essentially a dead man walking already.

The posts:

Also, his read on me is like, honestly the biggest towntell I can pinpoint, my play here is literally the antithesis of the game he’s comparing to where I was scum, so regardless of your read on me IV should be obvious town

can you explain this? why is iv town for noticing a difference in your play between the two games?

It’s the way he noticed it, I feel like there’s ways he could have spun it to not TR me for it, so unless he’s literally trying to pocket me specifically I think he’s just town

honestly i don't really get it either

what specifically do you think scum!me does differently if i have to bullshit a read on you?

What’s the case for Margot again
I pretty much have had my entire perception of her vanish into thin air

basically the E1 and direct ask for claim at that point was rolefishy, opportunistic, unnecessary and therefore bad

i could totally see someone just outing their role and claiming there

also for how much she complained about pressure alleviating on me where the fuck is she to put more pressure on me?

not trying to be a hypocrite so this part comes with a grain of salt but it’s been 3 days since the flashwagon and she’s barely been here, does she really care about this

meh it’s mostly about the Claim I just want an answer to at this point. Less that I actually think she’s like lockscum

oh kyouko solved the game for us its ok :3 i was bored and i read stuff and i agree with this

u can be town datisi uwu

singled out for u datisi btw - feel free to verify but i just trusted that kyouko had a based read bc i trust them as town

[DkKoba]

You are trying to manipulate a kyouko claim that chaos being an info lim(which btw on a townflip leads to.you, correctly identified by him) is evidence im scum

[DkKoba]

Nah but the only case against chaos is that he was wrong and the way be was wrong was hella non tmi so lmao
Datisi, i suggest really looking at chaos iso and seeikg he is genuinely absorbing new info and processing it and having progression.

[DkKoba]

What kyouko pointed out was that IV treated the same action from 2 players in a different way- something scum do unwittingly to their partners(even im hella guilty of it)

Kyouko at the time thought it was gamma and kyouko since forgot that she saw this(goldfish town memory syndrome yay(
This kind of dual treatment from scum, esp a less skilled scum like IV - is nearly always SvT .
IV spewed salsa scum subtly and kyouko caught it.

Like fypov datisi my logic for not voting you here already was 50% correct because it didnt land on you.
Hell. Even I'm here pretty solidly in my town range and as scum you'd see such me being much more hedgy and not just confident out the gate after reading a subtle tell vote - scum me sees town as super towny when theyre town and its hard for me to see how to frame a townie.

The fact my reasoning wasnt predicated on any push on me or trying to copy chaos' reasoning etc. Is +town
Also fr i just vote you here datisi if scum.
You are pretty easy to frame as scum when youre town and people easily agree. I have whiteknighted you as town b4 so i know

[DkKoba]

waiting for dad to come back from the corner store like

[DkKoba]

ok well then honestly like because its like really trash logic and i got lucky its like hard evidence im town LMAO

[DkKoba]

like just know scum koba could never match the level of stupid town koba is displaying and could only hope to fake it via small slips

[DkKoba]

LMAO

[DkKoba]

honestly tho i think ive parsed the info presented to me in a very town way and that is like the easiest proof im town but maybe im just like hard biased bc i always think im obvtown when im town and no one else does LOL

[DkKoba]

like honestly it comes down to do you *really* belive chaos goes for big brain scum plays to frame like that?

margot does not - margot HATES losing scumbuds unless they are really bringing the team down. I know their meta. I won't reveal their main to win this game(they lied about how many games theyve played tho so xD) but yep!

[DkKoba]

honestly you're right.

that is in margot's play to panic and claim whatever.

so there is still *slight* plausibility to that


but i feel that a player like chaos would have played around with possible fakeclaims more likely than not if he was in the scum PT if hes very mechanically good. like chaos' response was "idk what part margot is lying about but we gotta find out" is indicative that like he is suspicious of the claim on a level of setup anaylsis and thats why yknow

[DkKoba]

honestly tho i think ive parsed the info presented to me in a very town way and that is like the easiest proof im town but maybe im just like hard biased bc i always think im obvtown when im town and no one else does LOL

not sure i see it or even know exactly what posts you're talking about here

like honestly it comes down to do you *really* belive chaos goes for big brain scum plays to frame like that?

margot does not - margot HATES losing scumbuds unless they are really bringing the team down. I know their meta. I won't reveal their main to win this game(they lied about how many games theyve played tho so xD) but yep!

err, what's the big brain scum plays supposed to be here?

yall were discussing it and its why you guys killed ari - that margot intentionally botched the fakeclaim to make it "look like" it was salsa

[DkKoba]

Speaking of the ari elim - that does bring us to another reason chaos was town and that was his progression on Ari was very much from a town mindset of having a hard tunnel there - it's like subtle but like when you look at a scum who's trying to shove through an elim on someone(I think of my own scumplay where i just try to throw vague shade at my target and constantly just discred their points) vs like chaos' ups and down with ari - it becomes clear why chaos reevalled to Ari after margot flipped scum -> because he was already scumreading that slot for reasons and then he sees ari defending margot a bunch and its just very easy in your mind when you are in that mindset to feel that person is scum at a point like that.

[DkKoba]

The town!CO I saw is not similar here which I also can't talk about yet.

was this ever elaborated upon?

lol IV is at the bottom and she pushes T3 instead

[DkKoba]

yall were discussing it and its why you guys killed ari - that margot intentionally botched the fakeclaim to make it "look like" it was salsa

i mean, that never was my position so y'know

i'll take another look at chaos's play around margot's claim later

oh well i saw it crop up a few times as to why people weren't going straight for salsa's throat so

[DkKoba]

my ability to find LHF slots as town and explain it is coming in clutch now this game huh :3

[DkKoba]

don't let kyouko down after she carried the fuck out of this game by making that big analysis post ;-; its really good and i sheeped it for a reason

the only thing that case said about salsa was that salsa and gamma had a similar catchup, but iv scumread salsa's while kinda townreading gamma's

like, i know kyouko also cased why me/iv aren't s/s there so whatever if you sheeped it, but i really don't see how that "really good" case solves the game for me

I also want to go back and look at this bc i know kyouko was onto something and i wont let my choice be predicated on a coinflip instead of a good point ;-;

[DkKoba]

oh wait you said kyouko said "aren't s/s"

yea nvm im good

[DkKoba]

eh not really

scum theory states always take the easy route in short term play -

if I needed to survive for long, I would have taken the hard route as a necessary risk to argue myself out of a situation on a later day phase but this is limlo and i only need to do a sprint elimination and i know very well how to do that. when i do a sprint elimination i always go down the next day though - and i know this.

[DkKoba]

my exact strategy would have been to wait around

see where the wind blows a little better and more often than not its to vote you

[DkKoba]

oh i was trolling you

[DkKoba]

LMAO

[DkKoba]

i hadnt really though about what i'd have done there at that point and just wanted you to be more like "oh fuck"

[DkKoba]

easiest way to do that obviously is to be like "haha neener neener this vote is NAI :3"

at that point i wasnt comitted to doing tryhard things like i am now so

[DkKoba]

u know what im going to say about why datisi xd

[DkKoba]

oh well salsa isnt going to be here for another 12 hours or so so

[DkKoba]

u r stuck with me :3

[DkKoba]

i counter you with: margot's playstyle is easy for certain people to naturally townread really hard and thats why she snowed people this game including chaos.



i guess ill give the section a proper reread i cede i wasnt really looking at other people's posts and purely at what chaos/salsa/margot were saying for quick satisfaction of associatives to find.

[DkKoba]

i need to check the timeline of events again


but i admit ive been assuming they 100% favor me which is why ive been making these slight oversights this whole time and assumed that the obvious Town thing happened rather than look for deeper nuance

[DkKoba]

because iirc i read that:

margot claims town backup vig

chaos, yes says it fits in the setup(idk why i had a false memory of chaos not believing it my brain is bad - i need to gather my thoughts later)

then margot elaborates how it works

and then chaos pushes hard on margot for the inconsistency


and i think with *that* timeline, yes it is reasonable to say chaos would have 100% coached margot not to claim the part of her role that is UB and known there is a difference as he immediately spotted it thus knows backup roles well enough.

[DkKoba]

datisi it would probably help for you if you wanna be thorough and 100% win this game to like:

list reasons to townread chaos!slot(including my posts plsss) and salsa and list them

and then list reasons to scumread chaos!slot(ok maybe u can ignore my posts for this one :3 ) and salsa

and then compare em and see and we can discuss and slim down both lists.

[DkKoba]

im just like 10000% sure that more analysis eventually will lead to a solid conclusion of me town and salsa scum bc reality wont lie.

[DkKoba]

ok fr im going over to my boyfriend's now i will be phone posting from here on out

also they have an appointment to start HRT tomorrow so BIG HYPE im happy for him

[DkKoba]

The fact my reasoning wasnt predicated on any push on me or trying to copy chaos' reasoning etc. Is +town
Also fr i just vote you here datisi if scum.
You are pretty easy to frame as scum when youre town and people easily agree. I have whiteknighted you as town b4 so i know

i haven't been misyeeted since june last year, and that misyeet was because d2 had scum/scum competing wagons, i pushed one scum, the other got flipped, and d3 i got accused of being a buddy, so stfu lol

Ok but scum me believes they can mislim anyone LOL

I have a game where i push someone who supposedly has a super polar playstyle from TheSyndicate

[DkKoba]

good morning

[DkKoba]

what the fuck dude

[DkKoba]

datisi just admit u get tunneled on town chaos bc u did it in the last game you were tvt and salsa reeks of TMI and positioning while slipping in the points i pointed out and spewed scum by IV


just literally you think chaos is some fucking scum mastermind like when you go the route of assuming a person is masterminding a game you have already lost the right thread of thought

[DkKoba]

like is chaos fucking cursed to get scumread everytime they help bury scum its embarassing

[DkKoba]

dont let chaos down again


obviously im not in a different slot here to help him but like jesus fuck

[DkKoba]

note that salsa was able to put out a case on you and made it pretty big but as soon as i voted them - they deflated and couldn't find the energy to case me and went full defense mode.


like please datisi its so obvious

[DkKoba]

salsa reeks of TMI and positioning while slipping in the points i pointed out and spewed scum by IV

where is salsa being tmi and how is she spewed scum by iv? without kyouko's analysis of "he was treating her/gamma differently", i don't find that convincing.

whats the case on chaos

ive yet to fucking see it


why is salsa town?

[DkKoba]

i told you salsa TMI with their treatment of Margot on the day she got limmed


honestly i didnt put in so much effort here to bury salsa because i thought the points were really blatant and obvious but clearly i guess you know better about whats scummy and whats not and im just a scum who voted salsa first because im so so sure im gonna pocket you while deadset on limming chaos half the game

[DkKoba]

"its not convincing" yes it fucking is

when scum fucking treat players differently it indicates those players are different alignments

its basic mafia theory jfc

[DkKoba]

i wouldnt have fucking sheeped it if i didnt agree with that line of theory

[DkKoba]

WHAT ASSOCIATIVES??

THE FACT THAT HE HAD A GENUINE TOWNREAD ?

wow whoop de fucking doo

a person has an incorrect read and eats shit for it.

never been there before huh

voting IV when its bussing time??
thats literally not even a good reason ever. i have never used this as a reason to find scum and its worked out fine for me. ive used it to convince others who believe in it sure but wtf


honestly that case is so bad compared to what i said about salsa and whatever

ur prob gonna just vote me bc im being mad about it but yep.

[DkKoba]

datisi why did salsa deflate when they had to switch gears from casing you to having you as clear?

[DkKoba]

IV no post

this was my idea for voting him the first time, ik he was around the site and i guessed he would've at least popped in as town

VOTE: innocentvillager

What do you mean? They're silent as scum?

oh look, another place where salsa seeks validation like with the margot thing when their partner is suspected.

fucking crazy how reality let me find something like this and i didnt even have to look hard.

[DkKoba]

"um do i bus here now?" is what i see screaming from that post

[DkKoba]

what the fuck do i need to convince u datisi like fmpov i think like ive made it very obvious but idk what else is like necessary like the proof is literally just *there* if you choose to disengage bad preconceptions about things like wagon analysis and such and maybe go take a look at why chaos was townreading MR



honestly like i get it

this is your pet theory

you dont want your pet theory to be wrong

but it is wrong

ive been there datisi but its like yeah.

[DkKoba]

i should have probably found better questions to expose salsa looking at her iso now where shes trying to frame a town kyouko as scum when kyouko has a polarized meta and lol i got mentioned.

i honestly dont know what the fuck i need to present to you like do u need me to send u a friendly neighbor message at this point?


can you quote the enchant thing? i have a good grasp on chaos thought process and i myself am someone who can gleam setup spec stuff / PR read as town so to think chaos couldnt do the same is like ridiculous because i guarantee thats 100% what he did.

[DkKoba]

man for saying kyouko is confident scum she definitely isnt pushing kyouko so hard as town her does!!!


ugh

god its so obvious to me i hate this.

[DkKoba]

my solve is currently datsi/NM/T3

dont @me

and honestly when ari goes 0/3 in places like this do you really blame chaos for wanting ari's head especially after margot flipped?

[DkKoba]

like think about the reasons you voted Ari - don't they match up somewhat with the reasons you scumread chaos?

perhaps you should consider that some of your points arent exactly - the best they could be for actually gleaming alignment.

I absolutely think that scum margot is capable of looking tonally towny and snowing players - it is reasonable to think that there exists a town!chaos world where he is pocketed.

there absolutely exists a world where chaos decides as town to consolidate onto IV and stop pursuing his pet read(ho0nestly forgot what chaos did d1 i just think i remember that he was pushing Ari and assuming since i know he is town that he consolidated at EoD and thats why you think it was a bus vote)

and there absolutely exists a world where a town chaos

we have plausibility for chaos town via an alternative explaination that is still reasonable. even though its not as easy it is still *reasonable*.

what isnt reasonable is the way salsa treated Margot

The way IV treated Gamma/Salsa differently.(i dont care u dont think its good reasoning. i still think it is. explain how it is TvT and i'll strike it off but i doubt you can so)

what isnt reasonable is the way salsa hard fell off when suddenly blindsided with a 1v1 that isnt with datisi

yes i probably did vote too soon and should have waited to see how salsa treats you further but salsa's attempts at scumcasing you are just *right there*

so please.

[DkKoba]

my solve is currently datsi/NM/T3

dont @me

and honestly when ari goes 0/3 in places like this do you really blame chaos for wanting ari's head especially after margot flipped?

it was never about him wanting ari's head but okay.

ok but you have to still consider everything about chaos if you are going to sort him ???

this is how you end up with a scumread on townies - by ignoring stuff and only picking and choosing.

you have to consider *everything*

do you think chaos' push on ari was scum motivated? or unreasonable in the sense that he was strictly pushing it in bad faith?

[DkKoba]

I'm assuming this is claiming BP. This was my theory, although I assumed it was Enchant.

kyouko is claiming 1-shot vig. no kill, she hints at being bp, he makes this post. later on, kyouko claims joat with a save on enchant.

later on, chaos did say he thought enchant had unclaimed parts to his role or something, but meh.

this is just so nonchalant like if chaos is scum who knows enchant is bp i think its more likley he keeps his mouth shut - regardless i think its like not really good evidence at all(objectively)

[DkKoba]

So, scum didn’t kill???

Is this team (

Ari

/

CO

) possible? They happen to know many things but as towns, they shouldn’t?

bruh this dumbtell

THIS is how scum acts when they hit a BP and need to look like they dont know a BP exists or there was a save

why the fuck do you assume scum didnt try to kill

[DkKoba]

I don't understand this universe in which I am some crazy mastermind who in her fourth ever game on this site, and only second out of Road to Rome, pulls on some totally bizarre strategy to buss a Scum PR d1, despite that PR being in no real danger otherwise, and given a now confirmed Town slot was at e-1 while I was pushing said Scum slot, and yet I also totally overlooked sending a message to mod to kill someone at an incredibly important moment of the game, and giving Town yet another day to discover me???

Occam's Razor alone dictates I am not in a million years Scum

ok datisi - here is what is like a thing that i will present to you.

with the above dumbtell, we have also MARGOT trying to dumbtell about no save too.

[DkKoba]

a confirmed flipped scum is trying intentionally to pretend like they didnt hit a BP!

And why would they want to shoot enchant here?

now - look who enchant is tunneling here!

[DkKoba]

wait nvm enchant didnt give reads on d1

[DkKoba]

but why is salsa not pushing back on enchant tho - after the no kill

salsa is treating enchant like a confirmed townie

[DkKoba]

oh lmao it wasnt a bp save

[DkKoba]

where in the world is datisi

[DkKoba]

well ok we can toss that out and discuss it post game but i think the rest of my case has solid points

[DkKoba]

now pls direct the same energy towards the points you have against chaos' slot pls


also i havent even looked at what salsa tried to frame u for in her write up of a scum datisi world let me see.

[DkKoba]

By the way I think ChaosOmega is town. Just wanted to squeeze that in there. Okay, bye.

[DkKoba]

you're trying to talk me out of scumreading chaos for his sri push when i in fact never scumread him for that

i am not sold on dumbtelld being a scumsalsa thing because ari mentioned the possibility of scum not inputting kills, and also how is that margot post a dumbtell? it reads more like her taking the only stance she can after being backed into a corner

sleep time

no im trying to get you to see that he has a towny thought process and just because someone is pushing town that doesnt mean you cant find them town for it.

i have found townies who push on me datisi

i have found townies who push other townies


its not a crazy concept.

you are misinterpreting what i am trying to argue.

[DkKoba]

By the way I think ChaosOmega is town. Just wanted to squeeze that in there. Okay, bye.

how do you have a read on this slot?

lol trying to discredit the chaos read

[DkKoba]

Oh, so it's a serious vote then. Alright.

There are a few players being cautious around locking in as town too early, T3 and Datisi. I think both are townier than not right now but that also just gives me pause.

I don't like ssbm_Kyouko's reasoning for their vote in their last post because trying to meta someone you haven't really played with doesn't really work. Or at least the meta read is going to be shallow as I know that it is wrong here. I know that you replaced into my scum slot but you haven't really engaged with me as players with me being scum and you being town so for you to call me on a scumtell is a little bit unsettling.

I don't understand Margot's scumread on me either. I wasn't exactly trying to do a galaxy brain play, just trying to move the game out of RVS. I'm not exactly sure what's to dislike about my posts directed to Salsabil Faria specifically. Is it because they come off as forced or something else entirely? I have no clue, just that they don't like my posts and that they don't like the AtE coming from my slot (which I don't really spot, but okay).

Of all the votes on me, ChaosOmega's vote makes the most sense to me and he has explained why he thinks my opening comes off poorly and I can see why. Overall though there's just not enough content in his ISO for me to feel comfortable giving him a solidified read. Similarly, Aristeia is in the same boat. Just not enough posts for me to feel comfortable giving a settled read on. Hopefully that changes by the end of the day.

PoE people have good reads btw ^

also mew got pushed my margot when mew was pushing salsa.


how many coincidences regarding scum and how they treat slots pushing salsa do i need to give u datisi

[DkKoba]

datisi what is it gonna take for me to convince u to not be tunneled on chaos bc i can just hard sense you really really really want to vote me based on that pet read and its just really like frustrating because i dont know what kind of case is going to convince you when i toss all this very good evidence of salsa being scum at you and its just bounces off of you :/

[DkKoba]

no im trying to get you to see that he has a towny thought

what is townie about his thought process on ari

datisi

you

pushed

multiple townies this game


and you are trying to shade chaos for doing the same


like please dont throw stones in glass houses.

chaos was consistent in how he was scumreading people he just doesnt have good reads u need to look at the *thought process*

[DkKoba]

probably more than there are in the thread, as i don't care about flipped people's reads unless i am aware of their skill level, and also quoting posts like that iv one in a game where it is confirmed scum was bussing like crazy is lol

IV called out you salsa and margot as scum after that catchup and you waved it off

ive now proven you are just purpoesfully denying anything i say because of you tunnel.


i am not going to bother if you refuse to shed your preconceptions about chaos' play and show good faith. i have tried to turn this gamestate around very hard and i wont have valid points waved aside bc you have a pet theory you dont want to admit could be wrong.

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Mewtaph

What about your posting made you think you would get votes? If you thought this was likely, why make those posts?

Lol, page 1 just unloading the cannon.

I actually didn't like 10 more, I was voting for that before I was sniped. It reads like cautious scum, they want to make a vote to build a wagon and force pressure to look town but don't want to step on any toes, so they pull all the teeth from the vote saying it's for pressure and they're not sure what for.

Evidently I think you're more likely to be town than not because I don't think mafia!you steps on my toes as boldly as you have but I've been wrong before.

in what way does salsa's posts towards you make you think it's unlikely to be scum stepping on toes, that doesn't make you feel so from me/omega?

also, can was there a reason you picked her - taking a cursory glance at your topics, i don't see you've played together before?

It felt unnecessarily stand-offish. Scum can accomplish the same outcome (ie. reaching the conclusion of voting me) without navigating it the way that they did.

I chose her because of all places I could place my vote at the time, 1) this applied genuine pressure at the time, 2 votes being the largest wagon possible. This limited my options to a few people already. From there, I guess you could say it's a guessing game. I could be wrong about my read, as I have gotten similar reactions from both town and mafia. It depends on how things develop from here.

Placing a 2nd vote on someone on page 1 with the reason "Applying additional pressure here. Results of said pressure to be determined" does not apply "genuine pressure". Your last game I see, you were town and entered the game with a naked vote on a building wagon. That can actually build pressure. What you've done this game looks fake.

On an unrelated note Mewtaph, what do you think of Margot?

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ssbm, what is your read on Mewtaph, and what are your thoughts on the iv wagon forming?

Evidently I think you're more likely to be town than not because I don't think mafia!you steps on my toes as boldly as you have but I've been wrong before.

in what way does salsa's posts towards you make you think it's unlikely to be scum stepping on toes, that doesn't make you feel so from me/omega?

also, can was there a reason you picked her - taking a cursory glance at your topics, i don't see you've played together before?

It felt unnecessarily stand-offish. Scum can accomplish the same outcome (ie. reaching the conclusion of voting me) without navigating it the way that they did.

I chose her because of all places I could place my vote at the time, 1) this applied genuine pressure at the time, 2 votes being the largest wagon possible. This limited my options to a few people already. From there, I guess you could say it's a guessing game. I could be wrong about my read, as I have gotten similar reactions from both town and mafia. It depends on how things develop from here.

Placing a 2nd vote on someone on page 1 with the reason "Applying additional pressure here. Results of said pressure to be determined" does not apply "genuine pressure". Your last game I see, you were town and entered the game with a naked vote on a building wagon. That can actually build pressure. What you've done this game looks fake.

On an unrelated note Mewtaph, what do you think of Margot?

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ssbm, what is your read on Mewtaph, and what are your thoughts on the iv wagon forming?

I don't want to get stuck on something that happened on page 2-3. All I'll say is this: I think we're referring to different types of pressure here. I got what I wanted out of my vote, arguably more than I bargained for since we seemed to have moved out of RVS almost immediately after that post. If this causes others to scumread me then fine.

I like Margot's intention to do a dive and post a reads list. Do I actually like Margot as town is a different situation entirely and something I'm still going to have to decide on in the posts to come.

It's not ancient history, it was 10 pages ago. My problem with you is that I think you're lying and now waffling between pivoting to the utility of you making weird posts (it took us out of RVS, that's good, yay me) and still trying to justify your posting as good because it provided pressure and allowed your read on SF to be clearer. Please clarify what pressure you applied with your posting, and how this is different than pressure that I am referring to.

Oh, so it's a serious vote then. Alright.

There are a few players being cautious around locking in as town too early, T3 and Datisi. I think both are townier than not right now but that also just gives me pause.

I don't like ssbm_Kyouko's reasoning for their vote in their last post because trying to meta someone you haven't really played with doesn't really work. Or at least the meta read is going to be shallow as I know that it is wrong here. I know that you replaced into my scum slot but you haven't really engaged with me as players with me being scum and you being town so for you to call me on a scumtell is a little bit unsettling.

I don't understand Margot's scumread on me either. I wasn't exactly trying to do a galaxy brain play, just trying to move the game out of RVS. I'm not exactly sure what's to dislike about my posts directed to Salsabil Faria specifically. Is it because they come off as forced or something else entirely? I have no clue, just that they don't like my posts and that they don't like the AtE coming from my slot (which I don't really spot, but okay).

Of all the votes on me, ChaosOmega's vote makes the most sense to me and he has explained why he thinks my opening comes off poorly and I can see why. Overall though there's just not enough content in his ISO for me to feel comfortable giving him a solidified read. Similarly, Aristeia is in the same boat. Just not enough posts for me to feel comfortable giving a settled read on. Hopefully that changes by the end of the day.

Few things here:
- Why wouldn't you address Margot's read on you in her read list when I asked you about her in 271?
- How can you say here "I'm not exactly sure what's to dislike about my posts directed to Salsabil Faria specifically" when you said in 15/19 that you saw the possibility to receive votes for your post directed to Salsabil Faria?
- You criticize ssbm for using meta against you, but I also used meta against you in 271. Why push her and not me for it?

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I'm aware that I'm sort of tunneled here at this point, I don't have any other strong reads right now. I don't feel great about Dwlee, but it's more a vibe than anything, don't have a case to make (and also the last time I played with Dwlee they were town and I pushed them, so this might just be a bias I have against their posting style).


datisi have you opened the ISO?
T3, has your read changed on Mewtaph since 118?

[DkKoba]

oh i accidentally seeded my respone in the quote lmao

but yep

look at this


look at this fucking depth in his read


its fucking wrong as shit but he didnt fucking fabricate this shit its a genuine thought process.

[DkKoba]

WAIT WHAT THE FUCK

you said chaos voted when at a point when scum bus


HE CONSOLIDATED THEN DIDNT MOVE VOTE WHILE YOU TRIED TO CW ONTO DWLEE WHAT

im crying lol

cmon datisi

[DkKoba]

ok ur fucking tunneled as fuck im not bothering


if you refuse to unbend ur pride regarding your theory on chaos im just done .


ive given you literally mounds of evidence of chaos town and salsa scum

ok maybe not mounds


but compared to the evidence for salsa town chaos scum

its pretty fucking good


and i just hard see that the "chaos was in a bussing position for IV" is debunked becuase he *CONSOLIDATED THERE INSTEAD OF JOINING ANY OF THE COUNTERWAGONS*

like WHAT?

[DkKoba]

LIKE final votecount shows chaos at the front of it because he kept his vote there EOD and didnt bother with any of the counterwagons.



margot was literally confirmed the deepscum


i just cant wow.

[DkKoba]

this game is such a trip finding new reasons that support my reality lol

[DkKoba]

votecount 1.14

T3 (5) :

Salsabil Faria ; Roden ; Aristeia ; Datsi ; Datisi

Exe-2

Innocentvillager (2) :

ChaosOmega ; Not_Mafia

MargotRosa (2) :

innocentvillager ; Mewtaph

ssbm_Kyouko (2) :

Dwlee99 ; T3

Not_Mafia (1) :

ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (1) :

MargotRosa

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-10-01 20:18:31) or when a wagon reaches majority at 7 votes

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hey datisi look whos on the scum counterwagon

[DkKoba]

i think this game has been so long for you you forgot some things that Actually Happened and missed some of these important parts of the game.


i dont have the WIM to go through the entire D1 but skimming and looking out for what i know is true to make my case and seeing such an abundance of reason is like wow.

[DkKoba]

sorry for being condescending i just am very frustrated and it really odes feel like you are tunneled and thats why you are unable to see how i saw the game from my pov when i replaced in.

[DkKoba]

note that salsa was able to put out a case on you and made it pretty big but as soon as i voted them - they deflated and couldn't find the energy to case me and went full defense mode.


like please datisi its so obvious

O my God! This becomes hilarious!

When you vote me, scum!

Datisi

was there and

literally could hammer to win!

Why on earth, when the situation confirmed

Datisi

's alignment, I'll waste my energy for scum casing him!!!

nonononono
where is the scumcase on Chaos?

aren't you going to make one too

[DkKoba]

IV no post

this was my idea for voting him the first time, ik he was around the site and i guessed he would've at least popped in as town

VOTE: innocentvillager

What do you mean? They're silent as scum?

oh look, another place where salsa seeks validation like with the margot thing when their partner is suspected.

fucking crazy how reality let me find something like this and i didnt even have to look hard.

Yet scum!me didn’t buss vote

iv

for what?? I know I'll never treat as conftown and by knowing that scum!me didn’t go for the towncred points out I'm stupid... is that what you're trying to say?? It was a theatre between

MR

and

iv

on D1 and they left me out of it or I didn’t join the theatre so that I got eliminate (always be a high chance for my scummy play style) later and

MR

will be one man army for winning??

what the fuck is this argument?

nononono you and margot were caught trying to help the counterwagon to the scumbud

stop it.

my point is your intentions were to *save* IV. not get towncred. but you just perspective slipped here. You yourself admit it. you are scummy
so ofc you just go for the scummy play anyways of defending your partner. and then when you are about to be the only one left you have to bus so you vote margot

its simple logic.

[DkKoba]

man for saying kyouko is confident scum she definitely isnt pushing kyouko so hard as town her does!!!


ugh

god its so obvious to me i hate this.

Oh! So town me didn’t change read?? It was early D1, you think I tunnel you so that means I'll tunnel everyone??

nonono town you actually votes and starts to nitpick everything your pet scumread does when you are town.

you do this to me when i am town with town you.

[DkKoba]

but why is salsa not pushing back on enchant tho - after the no kill

salsa is treating enchant like a confirmed townie

I'll not answer this

you wont because you are scum

[DkKoba]

note that salsa was able to put out a case on you and made it pretty big but as soon as i voted them - they deflated and couldn't find the energy to case me and went full defense mode.


like please datisi its so obvious

O my God! This becomes hilarious!

When you vote me, scum!

Datisi

was there and

literally could hammer to win!

Why on earth, when the situation confirmed

Datisi

's alignment, I'll waste my energy for scum casing him!!!

nonononono
where is the scumcase on Chaos?

aren't you going to make one too

Keep dUmBtElLiNg

@Datisi

, I hope you can see what is happening here...

i duly hope datisi can see

[DkKoba]

Bump so datisi sees thread b4 deadline lol

[DkKoba]

me too fam i just want it to.be over bc im like hella stressed from mafia and wanna close my games out

[DkKoba]

clearly l4d2 with beorgegailey