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[Nero Cain]

all your music sucks these days. Back then we had Nirvana, STP, No Doubt, R.E.M, Live and white Michael Jackson. You guys had Katy Perry and Coldplay. What a drop off.

[Nero Cain]

I gotta say, I’m going to try and be careful with your slot.

y?

your reason sounds kinda dumb

I find your concern for disclosure around a Vengeful role Scummy.

then vote her? surely a vote on someone that you find scummy is a better place for your vote than a RVS.

VOTE: gera revenge

[Nero Cain]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Nero Cain]

ugh this guy

[Nero Cain]

daykill: not_mafia

[Nero Cain]

DAMN!

[Nero Cain]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

this game is hoppin

i mean,

it's not like either of you have adopted a particularly proactive sorting role here?

which would kinda be the expected next step from

'hm, the game seems to be moving slower than i'd prefer,'

yeah?

like at least nero cain has shared some thoughts on the game

though i guess it is also possible that nero's zzzzzzzzzzzzz was implying boredom with being voted for what seemed to be a tongue in cheek music comment and i misinterpreted it at first

hm

My zzzzzzzzzz post was expressing boredom that no one was playing. I mean, yes the wagon on me is silly but I was planning on commenting at it in a later post.

[Nero Cain]

shut up gen xer and go listen to ur shitty music

[Nero Cain]

my bad. Morning tweet isn't gen X. She's gen Z. Forgot my letters

[Nero Cain]

is shoshin known to rep out as scum or something?

[Nero Cain]

angela, NM isn't going to do anything regardless of alignment.

[Nero Cain]

I'd be somewhat ok if we limmed NM d1 but I do agree with angela that we should let the day phase play out. He can be plan B.

[Nero Cain]

Great, I'm getting flashbacks to my previous game with NM.

don't. He does that regardless of alignment but you didn't vote him so I guess that's not where you were going with it.

[Nero Cain]

Can someone explain the immediate wave of suspicion/possible wagoning on NM? Feel like I'm missing some important meta stuff here, most of that exchange gone right over me.

its that NM does nothing but hammer

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: angela

VOTE: kittytacky

Ooh, do me next..

Love when a slots only 2 posts are naked votes..

Love…it…

Maybe feels a bit more lazy town than mafia to me though? I dunno, no meta on Rathe but I feel like most mafia players will at least want to give some justification for a fairly lazy vote early on.

scum very much do naked votes but I feel like I sorta got where Rathe was coming from, prob thinks that kitty is scummy for hedging a bit and calling it TvT. That's an EZ play for scum to make and could point to being informed. Juxtapose that to gera coming in and plopping down a 4th vote to turn an RVS wagon into a serious one.

[Nero Cain]

what do you think of gera?

[Nero Cain]

I think rathe's reasoning for voting kittytacky is pretty bad

maybe its not great but its plenty reasonable

[Nero Cain]

what do you think of gera?

he hasn't said much so i cant say yet

shouldn't that be a red flag? dude comes in and plops down a vote on a growing BW and hasn't talked about the game.

[Nero Cain]

if you played with NM before and he did this as scum then why are you saying that its a poor idea?

[Nero Cain]

oh look gera is joining another bandwagon. nothing suspicious about that.

[Nero Cain]

I played with Gera in Polish Rap viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88570

He was "doing more" so maybe you could make the argument that his meta doesn't match but honestly just throwing down votes on both wagons that popped up doesn't seem like town play to me

[Nero Cain]

y dre?

[Nero Cain]

u mean like a player that joins leading wagons for "pressure"? IDK if he has a history of doing that or not.

[Nero Cain]

So he normally does this, the semi naked wagon hopping?

[Nero Cain]

It can be made to appear summy by those who want to, because you are one of the few players giving out stuff to work with.

you are voting him though. Your explanation is just confusing.

[Nero Cain]

You don’t like my reasoning? Well tough shit.

man take a chill pill.

Hi

VOTE: save the dragon

You usually start with votes that are random, and are loathe to put a serious vote down. So what triggered this?

how do you know this is a serious vote?

Does no one else find it weird that half of the game instantly shuts down any and all discussion surrounding NM for some reason?

not really. So what NM is scum and his 2 buddies are like "hey let's steer this convo away from NM." and town just shuts up in fear? like what do you think here?

[Nero Cain]

which one is it or do u already know they are both town

Rathe I think you could be Town. I like this take.

this is a bad take

its pretty common for both town and scum to call fights TvT and then someone calls out the one that called it TvT. Its not a particularly earthshattering take and Dre's take that its a good is is kinda eh but not particularly bad so y do u think it is?

the amount of ppl saying you're playing differently from usual is just not right

If he always acts weird like this even as town then I have no reason to vote him

I'm confused. Do people think Gera is playing the same game as always or not?

then rathe loses interest and votes for ger for wagoning which seems opportunistic to me.

maybe but Rathe can think more than 1 person is scum.

[Nero Cain]

I don't think was being rude to dre'. Telling me "u don't like my reasoning. TOUGH SHIT!" is p aggressive language. Also, Dre' just seems overly angry in every game I've played with him.

[Nero Cain]

dude, I'm not dumping the fault on you. Yeah, I'm blunt, sue me.

[Nero Cain]

You’re suggesting my reaction was unwarranted

I said no such thing. I said that

I

didn't feel like I was being rude. Do you think that maybe just maybe the guy that wrote the post actually knows his own thoughts and feelings? I mean sure maybe I was unintentionally rude b/c I have the vocabulary of a 3rd grader but I wasn't trying to be. As you pointed out I've been criticized for it b4.

[Nero Cain]

if this matches gera normal meta then he's prob not a good vote for today

VOTE: unvote

[Nero Cain]

I don't think kittys vote is very AI. Both scum and town are going to be pretty OMGUSy. You are right thought that one could argue that its preplanned but eh...

[Nero Cain]

on 2nd thought 544 and 545 are pretty bad.

[Nero Cain]

lemme circle back to this

if you played with NM before and he did this as scum then why are you saying that its a poor idea?

Because we don't learn anything from it if he does this all the time, it's clearly not indicative of his alignment.

only played with them in one game, they did exactly this and turned out to be mafia.

if you've only played with him once and he did this as scum where are you getting the idea that its null? From others in this game?

[Nero Cain]

537 isn't confusing in the least. It's the defense paradox.

538 is also pretty normal. It's pretty much how most players read each other and you see this like every game. You could even go as far as say that Gera is trying to dismiss Rathe's reads.

These aren't great points and quite the opposite.

[Nero Cain]

yes but the reason you are confused is you don't know what 344 and 545 actually say.

[Nero Cain]

lets just vote Scorp, he's clearly not reading.

VOTE: Scorpious

[Nero Cain]

yes but the reason you are confused is you don't know what 544 and 545 actually say.

fixed

[Nero Cain]

lets just vote Scorp, he's clearly not reading.

VOTE: Scorpious

Why do you think he's not reading?

Well, 537 is Kitty jokingly (tone) lamenting that Rathe is starting to suspect him as said in 531. Perhaps it's that I sympathize with Kitty b/c I've defended myself and then been told that said defense is scummy. I think it's perfectly fine and not confusing at all. The words and his vote are separate things.

538 is Tweet saying that she likes Rathe's reads which is like fine? Posts like these happen like each and every game and I don't really get why Gera is all up in arms about it.

Anyway, in 561 I linked the posts that Gera is actually responding to and scorp asked if I was responding to him. Him not knowing what Gera was actually saying makes me think he's not reading/blindly defending him.

Like I very much disagree with Scorp that these are good takes by Gera and scorp isn't really defending his position or explaining WHY they are good takes.

[Nero Cain]

537 isn't confusing in the least. It's the defense paradox.

538 is also pretty normal. It's pretty much how most players read each other and you see this like every game. You could even go as far as say that Gera is trying to dismiss Rathe's reads.

These aren't great points and quite the opposite.

And I stand by the "pretty much how most players" means day 1 such and should be somehow eliminated. Someone posts a list kf reads they have confidence in - which they cannot as day 1 is a crap shoot.
And then a second player looks at the first and goes "hmm...thay random reads list looks pretty good to me, I now think player 1 is town!"

We are now 2 degrees of separation from a pile of crap....and all the while player 1, player 2 (or even both) can be scum and be lying.

Skip to day 2 when we get a bunch of info from night actions and we aren't just running around in the dark.

My point is a simple one, not complex but I will give out

naughty points

when I see someone do something pointless like that whilst giving themselves a pat on the back

the bold triggers me b/c that's what he kept saying in Polish Rap. Overall I just don't like this post though. Way back when before day talk was semi standard d1 was considered the best day for scumhunting b/c scum hadn't gotten a chance to really talk to each other and formulate a plan or w/e. We aren't guaranteed to have tons of info d2. This is mostly you complaining about d1 and maybe that's your shtick. But I still think 544 and 545 are terrible posts and nothing you said changes my mind.
Also, you seem to talk about the tweet post twice.

[Nero Cain]

town but I was clearly talking about Gera in 706

[Nero Cain]

I also really disliked geraintm’s pileup there, so there’s that too.

Why? he's been doing it all game. Like yes there's some scum motivation to it and I think he said that he's only done this like once b4 in a previous game which is pretty

[Nero Cain]

any reply to 701?

[Nero Cain]

he's NM lite

[Nero Cain]

I didn't realize that deadline was so close. I feel like there's alot of uselessness in this game. I expect it from NM and maybe Tucker.

Rathe who would you vote besides Gera?

[Nero Cain]

I didn't realize that deadline was so close. I feel like there's alot of uselessness in this game. I expect it from NM and maybe Tucker.

Rathe who would you vote besides Gera?

I agree with this, but also...you're one of the Scorpious votes and that's a wagon that has been consistently ahead with the most votes for most of the game, if you're concerned about a lack of proper content or about the deadline nearing without any sort of consensus, why are you not pushing more actively for Scorpious to go? And if you don't actually believe Scorpious is mafia or worthy of elimination, why are you not looking for a proper alternative target instead?

my case on Scorp is laid out in

561
564
]565
701

So I've done my work while you are just being a hypocrite.

[Nero Cain]

i said in 722

recent posts from malcolmtucker i think r good i would take him out of the vote for group

I don't think they are. I especially don't like that he's blatantly ignoring that I put a case down on Scorp and he's lying that I'm coasting this game. 869 might be an ok post but Gera is just p scummy. And everything just rings hollow when he's sitting there and being shit with his vote. He's town reading Scorp but isn't even trying to not let Scorp get voted out.

[Nero Cain]

I think Gera is kinda scummy yea.

[Nero Cain]

706 You did and let me ask whether you (nero) are scum reading him for anything outside of that.

im going to say yes. There may have been other things that triggered me that I don't remember right off the top of my head.

I vote Galron because his focus on ger earlier pinged me. Same when Nero did it, same when whoever did

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that we weren't allowed to talk about Gera on d1 though I don't feel like my I was "focusing" on Ger.

I also missed Tuckers vote on Ger.

[Nero Cain]

Four posts on Scorpious, one of which accuses him of not reading the game, is hardly great stuff.

maybe it's not but you said I wasn't making an effort and I showed you that I was.

I also missed your vote on Ger.

[Nero Cain]

I am pretty sure that alot of players are still scum even when they get a town pm. scum is a mindset not a pm color.

[Nero Cain]

part of me would think he'd make a better fakeclaim but then maybe that's the whole point to WIFOM us hrmmm...

[Nero Cain]

maybe claim anything that would make us care about wanting to keep him alive. you know like an invest or something

[Nero Cain]

like, he could certainly be a town mailman but if he's a mafia mailman it seems like he'd make a better claim than that, does that make more sense?

[Nero Cain]

Who is your main? j/w

[Nero Cain]

angie

[Nero Cain]

but he claimed COP so no one wanted to vote him

[Nero Cain]

shiki

ah, I never knew it was you lol

[Nero Cain]

I'll buy into Scorp claiming not a crazy role is +town

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Nero Cain]

if I was scum with Scorp I'd tell him to claim better

[Nero Cain]

and maybe that is also possibly a factor in nero cain doing so

that and Gera was voting there. I don't really love Gera just not playing and participating d1. Regardless of Gera's alignment, he's not reading Scorp.

[Nero Cain]

but i was on scorpious and even i don't want to eliminate there

why don't you want to vote there? I thought you were just joining the largest wagons?

[Nero Cain]

this is the normal queue so obviously he cant make ridiculous claims duuuuh

p sure BP cop is normal

[Nero Cain]

On other matters - I think Pooky's posts on Nero are quite solid,

seems like they are much more gaseous than solid. But why do you think they are solid?

my vote will change

to?

How the fuck do you think I'm scum I've been saying Nero/Galron scum all game

given that Nero isn't scum you have at best one correct scum read. Also, why do you have 2 scumreads when there are 3 scum?

Didn't like how Malcolm avoided Angela's 1152.

[Nero Cain]

actual good music to listen to

[Nero Cain]

Scummy AF and feels like TMI..

I think sorta makes sense that he doesn't want to vote a null read over 2 scum reads but being ok with d1 a no lim over a potentially scum slot that could harm town is being ass play.


I also 2nd that Tucker pushing Gera all day and then they are on the same wagon together is iffy

[Nero Cain]

Another thing making me lean toward a Kitty/Angela scum team..

if angela is scum wouldn't that make kitty pretty likely to be town b/c she's just sheeping a bad tunnel?

@Nero Cain, Rathe I want to see some comments from you I’m interested in your perspectives.

about? I was arguing the same thing that you argued today that claiming mailman is a suboptimal claim to make as mafia. I mean there's a chance that he's an actual mailman with a red pm and he real claimed b/c ??? Pooky and I came to the conclusion that this doesn't really fit his scum meta though.

Also like Tuckers 1430

[Nero Cain]

Who else do you scum read, angie?

[Nero Cain]

I'm not really understanding the d1 angela is different from d2 angela.

[Nero Cain]

that's not really what I was asking...

[Nero Cain]

While not a 90's album its still good shit

[Nero Cain]

I'm just busy IRL and am burnt out on the game. It seems like it's a 1v1 between kitty and Scorp and in hindsight I prob should have just voted Scorp instead of let my dislike of NM get the best of me.

He once claimed bulletproof cop. I wouldn't put it past him to make bizarre claims.

but mailman is the opposite of bizarre. Pooky and I already talked about this. I agree that its WIFOM though.

I also agree that his claim that the hammer was accidental sounds like bullshit.

1537 seems kinda

IIOA

y.

VOTE: scorp

[Nero Cain]

how is d2 still going?

[Nero Cain]

how is d2 still going?

cause now I'm mafia!!!

i believe you

[Nero Cain]

so I have to generate all my own thoughts.

oh boo hoo

On the one hand I doubt there are two incredibly similar town roles (although nothing rules it out as such I guess?)

not sure how relevant this will be but in the past mods putting in similar/the same role used to be a thing but it seems like since the NRG has been trying to make more pro-town setups that's not a thing anymore and I guess they think its too much WIFOM.

AD: "I have no time to read!"

but she's obviously reading bits and pieces or has actually read the whole thing and is being dishonest in how much they have read.

[Nero Cain]

nothing posted has made me change my mind. I sorta like Scorps tone at times but I still think his "I accidentally hammered d1" is bullshit. I dislike 1919 and I think its cheap and he's being overly nitpicky so I'd be perfectly fine with a Tucker flip today.

[Nero Cain]

His points read to me as coming from a town POV.

could you explain?

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: unvote till Jackson gets here or the slot is replaced again.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: unvote till Jackson gets here or the slot is replaced again.

Why is their activity got anything to do with the vote on scorpious?

nothing. Just didn't want the day to end without hearing from the replacement. Your takes are ridiculously horrible this game.

[Nero Cain]

I would think a mailman would be a good town roleblock play b/c it seems like scum would just designate the mailman to be the killer instead of risking one of their other members. Whether I'd instantly think a mailman claim is a scum claim as opposed to a town mailman I'm not sure but it's a good block in theroy.

[Nero Cain]

I dislike gera's interaction with Jackson on the last page.

Are you caught up now, jax?

[Nero Cain]

how come you aren't voting enchant?

[Nero Cain]

i'll hammer whoever gets to L-1 first

[Nero Cain]

I'm against mass claim on d2.

geraintm
MalcolmTucker
Andresvmb
JacksonVirgo
Save The Dragons

is the POE though

[Nero Cain]

when?

[Nero Cain]

I'm 100% clear to myself

[Nero Cain]

Angela, Andres, Geraint, Rathe and myself all to varying degrees either confirmed town or leaning very strongly town I'd say barring a huge gambit from mafia.

yourself only to you, or?

I've pushed STD from the start pretty regularly, might not quite be confirmed town but I'd struggle to see why you'd particularly read me as mafia at this point.

aren't you being a hypocrite though? like I know you just got done saying that I'm less likely but you are still considering that idea that I could be scum while having pushed scum for most of the game.

[Nero Cain]

which I’ve thought about and it seems possible that nero could have been hoping that this would lead to jacksonvirgo voting geraintm so nero could hammer, need to look at more

In hindsight, I should have just voted Scorp but Jackson hammered b4 I got back.

[Nero Cain]

That's definitely a bit suspicious

not my fault. This isn't RL mafia with us all sitting around the table and playing. Jackson really wanted to hammer Scorp and d3 or went really fast and I wasn't around when STD got hammered.

[Nero Cain]

What were you scum reading me for earlier, Tucker?

[Nero Cain]

I don't really get what angie is claiming on you but I guess it doesn't really matter as the last scum could just be in tucker/rathe/andre

[Nero Cain]

ok well not dre lol

[Nero Cain]

scum did have a roleblock

[Nero Cain]

lots of town power or one of you is lying. vt here.

[Nero Cain]

i'll be back in a while

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: tucker

[Nero Cain]

I realize that I might have to be flipped just to game solve but I hate being MLed so lets vote scum instead.

VOTE: rathe

[Nero Cain]

I generally don't like playing as scum and was pretty demotivated that Scorp and STD were outted pretty early. The thought occurred to me that maybe I should have replaced out given that "not having fun" is an acceptable reason but I think replacing out is rude.

Game felt a little lopsided with so much town power but they also played well and deserved the win.