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umm casting curses on people is kinda sus
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Yea you're town too actually, amazing post
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Hey Elements wanna start a wagon on Tweet?
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SameIn post 30, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
SameIn post 29, Takutai wrote: Hey! Going off my role this is going to be a lot of fun.-
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Hell yea I got one of my favesIn post 34, Emperor flippyNips wrote:In post 29, Takutai wrote: Hey! Going off my role this is going to be a lot of fun.In post 30, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
SameIn post 29, Takutai wrote: Hey! Going off my role this is going to be a lot of fun.In post 31, OopsieDaisy wrote:
SameIn post 30, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
SameIn post 29, Takutai wrote: Hey! Going off my role this is going to be a lot of fun.
You guys got roles ?-
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can't make it too easy to guess can i? :3
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tbf there's also a lot of players (6: elements, karma, gera, tweet, emperor & myself) from 2302 here so yea it looks like there's gonna be a lot of leakage over from previous games.-
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LMAO trueIn post 49, Elements wrote:
tbf, there's not much of 2302 to leak over into this gameIn post 48, OopsieDaisy wrote: tbf there's also a lot of players (6: elements, karma, gera, tweet, emperor & myself) from 2302 here so yea it looks like there's gonna be a lot of leakage over from previous games.
hopefully it'll help make the reads today *slightly* more informed as i am an avid meta read enjoyer-
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It already has helped me read youIn post 52, Elements wrote: I really hope it helps you read me better
(I read you as town rn for the record, I prefer your approach to the game this time around. Feels like there's much less of an agenda behind what you're saying and you're just enjoying yourself)-
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yea it was a banger if you were a town player lolIn post 57, furtiveglance wrote:
Just had a look at that game and I can see why you enjoyed it!In post 54, OopsieDaisy wrote:
It already has helped me read youIn post 52, Elements wrote: I really hope it helps you read me better
(I read you as town rn for the record, I prefer your approach to the game this time around. Feels like there's much less of an agenda behind what you're saying and you're just enjoying yourself)-
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Woww do you think we're just sheeple who will follow your every move? Smhh
I'll move my Tweet vote once I have a townping on the slot or a scumping on another slot.
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Ok, but what about the three other people currently voting Sheep? Did you just not see the Tweet wagon as worth supporting anymore now that Tweet has entered the game and given us a couple of posts?In post 86, Elements wrote: Someone else voted there-
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Oh yea I meant Tweet, got mixed up cause I said sheeple lol
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Dang I was hoping to get someting out of that line of questioning that could start to move us out of RVS but instead my townread on El just gets stronger..-
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I disagree because Gera is a player who never enjoys Day 1, therefore making that reaction to a Day 1 NAI. Come back on the Tweet wagon El your friends are here <3In post 93, Elements wrote: When I'm scum I really enjoy day 1
Geraintm isn't enjoying day 1
Therefore geraintm is scum-
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I want one because it's an opportunity to form a big wagon early on that players are then forced to react to. Looking at who stays on the wagon/leaves the wagon, who ignores it completely, who opposes it. That's all info that can help the game out of RVS and into some actual analysis.In post 96, Elements wrote: Why do you want a tweet wagon?
In terms of why Tweet specifically? Basically I wanted to push someone from 2302 cause I've got an idea of how they would react to things (which thus would mean a push on em yields more info) and I PoE'd it:
.Pressuring Gera won't do much cause he's not really playing the game for Day 1 anyways, so felt it was a less useful push.
.Pressuring Emperor wouldn't be too useful either because whilst they popped off on the vig shots last game, they were ultimately quite an inactive player so poking em with a wagon prolly wouldn't come to much.
.Pressuring Karma I could see just putting him straight on the defensive, and would I imagine lock him on to someone very early on in the game. Would be interesting cause then flips mean something but I'd rather Karma find someone more naturally since he usually has a different take on things than me.
.Pressuring you, well, I voted you at the start but then post 11 was what initially townpinged you to me, so I wanted to switch my vote and get a wagon going,
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Obviously me now being upfront about these reasons does weaken the reasoning around the wagon since it prolly will lead to slightly less authentic reactions, but ay wcyd I like explaining things-
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Nahh, when you start asking me a bunch of vaguely related questions and then announce I'm town after I give my answers, that's when you're scum.In post 103, Elements wrote: I thought when I townread you out the gate it meant I was scum?
Coming straight out of the gates with it is different and something I like.-
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That's always a possibilityIn post 106, Elements wrote: Or you just know I'm town because your scum-
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Yeaa I know but I like not being in RVS, I managed to say something on Page 2 in 2302 that got a reaction big enough to create a big push and discussion.In post 110, Elements wrote:
Too many people have said not enough to get out of rvs yetIn post 91, OopsieDaisy wrote: Dang I was hoping to get someting out of that line of questioning that could start to move us out of RVS but instead my townread on El just gets stronger..
I have most posts than the rest of the players (excluding you) combined
It is what it is tho, I do wanna hear from other people.-
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Just said someone's jokey post was a lil scummy and then they had an over-the-top reaction that played against their usual meta.In post 113, Elements wrote: What did you say last game?-
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I think it'd be a bit too obvious to get a genuine reaction out sadlyIn post 118, Elements wrote:
Why don't you do that again?In post 116, OopsieDaisy wrote:
Just said someone's jokey post was a lil scummy and then they had an over-the-top reaction that played against their usual meta.In post 113, Elements wrote: What did you say last game?-
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Sure, but you can see why I would assume you'd be someone who would lock on early when my experience playing with you was just 2302, where both days you did lock on to someone you thought was scum and didn't let go.In post 124, curiouskarmadog wrote: I do indeed have a different play style than you I think.
ALSO, I only lock on someone when I (believe) I have caught scum. In our last game, Elements was pretty obvious, pretty fast. My protests were (mostly) ignored, luckily our vig did the heavy lifting. then the same with StD...both days, I was frustrated that people werent seeing (or ignored) what I did.
this game...is still to new...but thinking we are coming out of the RVS.
so I understand, Why do you want to pressure Tweet? Because you DONT know how they would react? Im confused.
I want to pressure Tweet because I'm most interested in how she would react to a push. I detailed in my PoE post why I felt pressuring the other 2302 players probably wasn't worth it from the outset, but that I wanted to push someone from 2302 because I'd have a better understanding of their meta compared to the other players who I've not played with before. Hence, Tweet stood out to me as the best player to push right now.-
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Tweet was here and just chose to ignore the wagon. In isolation I don't like that all that much, as Tweet avoiding having to react seems to me like waiting for the wagon to blow over, but also Tweet's last reaction was to it as a pure RVS wagon. I'm interested in if her reading of her wagon becomes worth commenting on now that I've provided some context for it.In post 133, humaneatingmonkey wrote: @Daisy Tweet was here. The element of surprise is gone. Did you get anything AI in particular?-
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fuck it i'm active let's goIn post 139, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
Hey since you're very active, maybe you can volunteer to share the story of 2302?In post 138, Elements wrote: I like to think my day ones are pretty similar as both alignments.
Looking at day one from 2302 you might not think so
2302 was a game that lasted two days and two nights.
scumteam was elements/tweet/std.
day 1 we ended up stuck in an end of day scramble as we were getting claims left right and centre. it came down to hu tao, a claimed investigative but someone who hadn't specified their claim, and elements, who had been pushed by ckd the entire day, with me being more sporadic but also sus of el
hu tao is flipped as vt, we go into the night. vig shoots el and el flips mafia.
day 2 was basically everyone agreeing to vote std, std then claiming doctor, then the town split into two factions again. one group pushing std and another looking for another lim so we could test std in the night and basically force him to keep the vig alive. the non-std group won out and voted out tweet who also flips mafia.
night 2 emperor our mvp shoots std and goes 2/2 on the vig shots, game's over.-
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Dang I didn't realise I was the only one on the Tweet wagon, that kinda makes my vote redundant. Hmm-
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fuck it let's make the gera wagon a thing
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With the Tweet wagon dead, I needed to move somewhere else, so I felt joining an established wagon makes sense. Not gonna wagon myself or my biggest town read sooo my vote has landed on Gera. As much as I do think this wagon could go nowhere (see my previous posts about it), I can be wrong and I wanna see how people react to multiple decently sized wagons existing in the game.In post 153, Elements wrote: Given what you've previously said about Gera, why do you think a wagon there would accomplish anything?-
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Tho tbf maybe calling the 2 votes on me a "wagon" is a bit much, anyone else wanna join em so we can have the triple threat wagons?-
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What's scummy about wanting people to see your thought process? It's something I care about a lot as both alignments because without that clarity I don't understand how people could properly judge my reads.In post 162, Klick wrote: I have had the exact opposite reaction to reading OopsieDaisy posts
To use her most recent content on this page as an example, I feel like she is overexplaining her position on things in a way that could indicate scum wanting people to be able to clearly see her thought process-
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I'm interested to see how you'd read my play in that game, since I was town there and felt I was employing the same attitude.In post 168, Klick wrote:
I've not read 2302, if you'd like I could skim it and see what I think?In post 165, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
Because she was scum in 2302, do you think it's possible that her energy could be overcompensatory as to avoid detection?In post 160, Klick wrote: From what I can remember there's a noticeable self-consciousness and dip in enthusiasm/energy when she's scum. Here she just wants to play and get things going and it feels very motivated by wanting to make solvable content-
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I will say that I did try and expand on my thoughts to the max, but that came from my frustration with a lack of interaction from most people in the game at that moment. The PoE between everyone was a genuine thought process that went on in my head and it's why I pushed Tweet, but the expansion on that thought process was to provide something that people could read into. Being upfront about my meta reads w/ regards to who I wanted to push meant people would have something tangible to comment on, which I felt was sorely lacking from the thread at that point.In post 180, Klick wrote: I initially voted because I felt like Oopsie's reasoning in 101 was weak; it feels really general to the point where I doubt it was the literal thought process that went through her head and feels more like an overly detailed description of what she believes she thinks like when she's town
I admit as much in my post. The switch wasn't because I have any sort of read on Gera outside of null, or because I think the pressure would help me sort his slot directly. The switch was made because my Tweet push was going nowhere and I wanted to create a bigger wagon as RVS was starting to end, which I hoped would force people to start taking sides in the Elements/Me/Gera triple threat. And well, I say hoped, as far as I'm concerned it's already working.In post 180, Klick wrote: Then her progression onto gera in 151/152 felt like unnecessary positioning. I don't think she actually thinks there's much to get out of wagoning gera. The intent behind the post feels like it's to provide a reason for her shift in vote rather than actual interest in shifting her vote.
It's a fine post. I like it because it's a read that progresses the game and prompts people to reshape their read on me with this information laid out, but I don't think I've been hiding this information at all (bar I guess the getting people to talk with 101 point, but I feel that motivation is laid out in all of my posts) and I think the issue Klick seems to have with how open I am about explaining my POV is just going to be something we'll have to deal with as it comes, cause it's a core part of how I play mafia.-
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I think so? Like you're seeing my explanations regarding my play as a ploy to look good rather than engaging with the game itself? Even if the explanations themselves do make sense the fact I'm "wasting" time explaining everything in detail is detracting from actually making reads n pushes which the game needs.In post 198, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
This is what's suspicious to me. It seems like your focusing is too much on signaling that this is how you play mafia, and less focused on actually playing mafia. Does that make sense?In post 186, OopsieDaisy wrote:how I play mafia-
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You asked me a direct question so I responded? And now I'm scummy for that cause I prioritised that response over analysing some fluffy posts from Tweet that were basically a scumread on El I disagreed with and question marks on me?In post 207, humaneatingmonkey wrote: Second, it seems that her original manifesto of pressuring Morning Tweet (to sort her because she's the one she can read the best) isn't even followed through. Morning Tweet has engaged her and she was also here, but just focused on defending herself and didn't even acknowledge Morning Tweet. Consistent with what I thought she'll do as scum.-
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I don't have any urgency regarding responding to her because I don't think there's much there to comment on? Like there's the read on El I disagree with but that argument would prolly just go round in circles. Doesn't know how to sort me but there's not really much I can do to help that right now. Like wtf am I supposed to do with these posts I can't magic out a read just because I said I think it's worth pressuring her 100 posts ago lmaoIn post 216, humaneatingmonkey wrote: Daisy doesn't feel any urgency in responding to Morning Tweet, a slot she thinks she can sort and whose reaction she's waiting for, is exactly what I feel. It tells me that she isn't consistent with what she says her thoughts and motivations are.-
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She thinks Elements is scum because "she's too happy" like last game, but the thing that keyed me into Elements being scummy last game wasn't energy levels or emotions, it was her actively trying to manipulate me into taking a stance that would benefit her in-game.In post 219, humaneatingmonkey wrote: Alright. What about her read on Elements do you disagree with?
Elements posting in 2302 has the same appearence of "proactive town", but their play this game doesn't have any of that underlying agenda to put people where they want em indirectly.-
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Like this Day 1 eagerness/happiness is at worst NAI for Elements, and I'm saying this as the player here whose played with em the most.-
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Also gonna do the thing where I turn to the audience real quick.
HEM's push on me has really strong things in it (I really like him unearthing reads and getting me to elaborate on em), but also the gotcha thing where he asked me a direct question and then attacked me for answering that direct question over commenting on the Tweet posts rubs me in SUCH a wrong way. I always do my best to try and respond to people who want a comment from me and to have that attacked is eugh ew did not like that did not make me feel good lmao.-
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Now that I'm also getting led out of defense mode and back into scumreading mode I am starting to realise I do not like Tweet's posts that much at all. Nothing there offended me or made me want to comment on it on first look but HEM prompting me for my thoughts has made me realise yea I don't like Tweet's thoughts there.
HEM has that gotcha thing that rubbed me the wrong way that makes me morally want to scumread him, but there's no denying he's actually got me scumhunting again and well that's an amazingly town thing to want to get out of someone.
Yea I'm hopping back on the Tweet vote I actually believe in this right now.
VOTE: Morning Tweet-
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I can, but I wasn't exactly in the space at that point where I wanted to comment. Felt like something I could worry about doing later ykno. As I said I prioritise the questions over diving into my own thoughts on people's posts, especially when I did feel like I was coming under attack.In post 225, humaneatingmonkey wrote: But you can do more than one posts in this game... It's entirely fair observation for me to make.-
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I'll be honest I was also like, just sat on the sofa with my gf watching a tv show with her. I wasn't about to ditch her to go write my Tweet case I hadn't even realised existed lol-
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Ok yea it's not a "case" as much as it was me reading her posts over again as you ask me for my reads and realising "o wait yea i rly don't like these posts", but shh we don't need to tell anyone that :3In post 231, humaneatingmonkey wrote: There's no case still, but I'll wait for it!-
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It's the lack of content. Like bar the scumread on El what has she rly said? (It's a null read on me and a slight town on Klick). It's part of why I glossed over her posts initially, there just wasn't anything there that made me wanna comment, and that's worrying for a slot I expected to get a little more from. Tho tbf, I let up on the pressure with the switch onto the Gera wagon, so this is me also just reapplying it with some added context.In post 233, humaneatingmonkey wrote: Can we talk about that then?
What about her posts strike you as scum-indicative? You disagree with her Elements reads, that's clear. I'm just not sure how that would make her scum?-
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<3In post 234, geraintm wrote: I have zero interest in eliminating Oopsie today-
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Yea she was a lot more active and I preferred her proactive approach in that game to her more reactive play today.In post 238, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
Did she have a different in the opening of your game?In post 235, OopsieDaisy wrote: It's the lack of content.
Now, she WAS scum in that game which does plonk a great big hole in my argument, but I need to go for a bit so I'm just gonna let this sit for a bit lmaoo.-
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Well, she did get a lot less active Day 2 and that's when I voted her so maybe I'm just opening up holes in my argument that aren't there. Hmm...
Ok actually going now I definitely don't have problems disengaging whaaa-
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I thought your Elements read was rubbish and nothing in that bout of posts you made pinged me as town whatsoever.In post 251, Morning Tweet wrote: Hello clidd!!!! I didn't realize you were still playing on here
!In post 227, OopsieDaisy wrote: Now that I'm also getting led out of defense mode and back into scumreading mode I am starting to realise I do not like Tweet's posts that much at all. Nothing there offended me or made me want to comment on it on first look but HEM prompting me for my thoughts has made me realise yea I don't like Tweet's thoughts there.
HEM has that gotcha thing that rubbed me the wrong way that makes me morally want to scumread him, but there's no denying he's actually got me scumhunting again and well that's an amazingly town thing to want to get out of someone.
Yea I'm hopping back on the Tweet vote I actually believe in this right now.
VOTE: Morning Tweet
tell me What exactly do you not like about them, Daisy
And what does HEM have to do with this, thought this was between us two
HEM is here because I was also trying to sort HEM in my head at the same time dw about it. HEM clearly wants me on you or at least thinks I should be on you so I wanted to screen HEM before I voted you.-
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I do agree that me voting Gera rather than sticking on you was a mistake. The reason I wanted to switch was to create wagons after the Tweet wagon died (I think lone votes are kinda useless and giving numbers to someone else's push can often be just as valuable, but the OD and El wagons weren't of interest to me so the only wagon I could add to was the Gera one), but all it did was ease off the pressure for nothing cause people could easily see I wasn't actually suspicious of Gera whatsoever.-
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I'm not sure you're quite at like, "priority vote" levels, but my vote needs to be somewhere and of the people I've given space in my brain to, you're the one that's coming up most scummy to me.In post 259, Morning Tweet wrote: Daisy, why do you think it's a priority to vote for me now, when no one is voting me and you don't have a case yet -- rather than when like 1 or 2 ppl were voting me and the wagon was dissipating (then you switched to Gera with me)
I can think of a reason that makes sense as town, which is simply that you strongly think im scum (So i'm still pondering on this one)
My vibes are acting strangely maybe
But im mostly wondering, when did that read of me start to kick in?
I think Elements is golden (for now, give me two days and I'm sure my paranoia will flare up again here), Klick/HEM are both scumreading me but from what I can see their reasoning doesn't seem particularly flawed, just coming from people who aren't used to me being me. We've got Gera/Clidd defending me, Clidd has some fine analysis but funnily enough I now townread Gera more. I think he word-for-word said the same thing about absolutely not wanting to vote my slot in 2302 somewhere lmao.
I am waiting on a few others to comment. Karma especially he usually has a different take on the game that's worth talking about. But for now I think parking my vote on you makes sense.-
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Actually Karma's quietness is concerning, especially since he's V/LAing soon. Gonna vocalise that worry now and hopefully it'll call him into action :3-
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I'll be honest, whilst I felt she was the most likely person to give me something that I could work with which wouldn't derail the game, there wasn't any sort of specific reaction/response I was expecting going into it.In post 263, humaneatingmonkey wrote: Daisy, when you said you were going to pressure Tweet in hopes of getting a read, did you expect her to react a certain way or were you hoping for a specific response that was alignment indicative?-
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But hey it's definitely getting a reaction now, and I do think the reactive/proactive split between Tweet's town/mafia play is something I'm seeing. Also what's worth noting is that Tweet did back off the Elements read once I'd come in with my strong disagreement, which also feeds into the reactiveness. Typically you'd expect scum to be more defensive/survivalistic and town to be more scumhunty, but obvs people's metas can sometimes run adverse to this and yea my argument doesn't hold much water if this meta is developing around Tweet.-
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Nope, but she's definitely playing this game very different to 2302 at least. Tho she only really came up under pressure in that game in the 2nd half of day 2..In post 274, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
Did you read any of Tweet's town game prior to this?In post 273, OopsieDaisy wrote: Tweet's town/mafia play is something I'm seeing-
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And her reaction to that pressure was *very* different, she just sorta took it without much comment. Tho this fits in again with her talking about how she starts proactive and then falls off as the game goes on as scum.-
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I'm like a yo-yo today but I've liked Tweet's reactions to my push when thinking through a meta lens. Obvs, I am putting a bit of trust in Tweet's talk about self-meta (she could always just be doing a cheeky lie), hence why I think she's sitting at null for me, but I've now actually got what I wanted initially out of my push on Tweet, a reaction that means something to me.
Moving on, hey Karma I wanna hear your takes.
VOTE: Curiouskarmadog-
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That's a mindmeld lmao-
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Do you think long posts that don't justify their length mean the player making them is scummy? That just seems like an issue you have with my playstyle as a whole rather than anything alignment indicative.In post 304, Greeting wrote: I kinda wanted to townreadOopsieDaisyfor her effort and engagement in the game, but on the other hand, the content she made does not really make sense game-wise and logic-wise. And a lot of the things she said could have been shortened to a few sentences instead of whole paragraphs. Reading 186 was a headache.-
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Not refuting your other point tho I've been all over the place today, tho I do feel I'm starting to get somewhere now that I've got some solid reads established.-
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