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VOTE: Roden
Old joke is Old.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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Are you referring to me?Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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Well unfortunately it's not a dragon, so you wouldn't have a fire breathing dragon as an ally even if we were on the same team.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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If your referring to me, you need to learn to read what is typed.In post 17, Roden wrote: Is this the fastest scum slip in the history of mafiaReturning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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Demon Slayer is a game name in this context.In post 52, MikhailTal wrote:
Please elaborate, and allow me to make sense of this exchange.In post 24, Flavor Leaf wrote: I thought it was Demon Slayer, but I was fooled.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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I mean even then, are their read's good?Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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UNVOTE: Roden
VOTE: NorwegianboyEEReturning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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Am I?In post 60, NorwegianboyEE wrote: Oh you're one of those players that hard scumread me from early on.
Seems a bit defensive, wouldn't you say?Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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UNVOTE: NorwegianboyEE
VOTE: MikhailTalReturning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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I'm confused, Mikhail are you saying that Roden has to act exactly the same at all times no matter what if they are town?
And not actually answer a question directed at them as town?
Like what is this argument?Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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Just going to point out to everyone that Mikhail is referencing an ongoing game, and we should avoid discussing stuff regarding it.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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UNVOTE: MikhailTal
VOTE: OsukaReturning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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I mean being defensive can be a scum tell, depends on the defensiveness itself.In post 534, NorwegianboyEE wrote: Can someone explain why Hana would be so convinced that "defensiveness" is even an scumtell in the first place.
"Too defensive" sounds like a buzzword that scum would focus on because it sounds good as an reasoning for their push.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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I mean self-preservation isn't a trait exclusive to scum, would be nice if it were that simple.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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Hey nurse, can I get your reasoning for the Hu Tao town read?Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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This assumes that we for some reason never Lim FL for the crime of existing as a Miller.In post 542, NorwegianboyEE wrote: Likewise Flavour is an very experienced mafia player and in the psychology of players in games of mafia, i think they know that everyone get's hesitant when a player offers themselves freely up as the elimination. Because they think "oh it must be town, because scum worries about self-preservation" and thus they get the unsaid result that they really want from their supposedly non-selfpreserving actions.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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Takutai, just to check, you are an alt yeah?Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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So many players refusing to do things is really fun.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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UNVOTE: OsukaReturning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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They have some good posts, and I need to do a double take on this game at this point.
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615 is good and i frankly missed that, makes me want to do a double take on what the fuck Mikhail is doing.In post 625, Alisae wrote:
What posts are good, none of his recent posts change or do anything for meIn post 623, JasonWazza wrote:They have some good posts, and I need to do a double take on this game at this point.
602 also feels like it's coming from town.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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Both of these are stupid questions and you know that.In post 637, Alisae wrote:
do u think 615 is something mafia isn't capable of coming up w/?In post 635, JasonWazza wrote:
615 is good and i frankly missed that, makes me want to do a double take on what the fuck Mikhail is doing.In post 625, Alisae wrote:
What posts are good, none of his recent posts change or do anything for meIn post 623, JasonWazza wrote:They have some good posts, and I need to do a double take on this game at this point.
602 also feels like it's coming from town.
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none of those posts seem overly AI to me.
But I'm also in the process of re-looking at everyone to see where all my reads stand right now.
P-Edit: Feels like a weird take, that only Mafia will interact with what is a policy lim.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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And I would call that a personality tell, whether someone would do that, not an alignment tell, especially with what Mikhail is doing specifically, I can see Town being just as frustrated and trying to get them to stop.In post 651, Alisae wrote:
I feel like a villager would eventually get to the conclusion that it's just not worth their time where as mafia would probably love to just take one of their posts quote it and say how bad it isIn post 650, JasonWazza wrote: P-Edit: Feels like a weird take, that only Mafia will interact with what is a policy lim.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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So what makes you think that Osuka isn't telling them to stop, AS TOWN, rather then as Mafia?
Like specifically what shows the alignment from that, since that is a decent part of your argument.
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Also Alisae, since you are so fond of asking this of everyone else, who other then Osuka do you think is Mafia?Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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But why do you think Mafia would feel the need to shade Mikhail?In post 657, Alisae wrote:
his comments to me read like he's shading him as opposed to telling them to stop.In post 656, JasonWazza wrote: So what makes you think that Osuka isn't telling them to stop, AS TOWN, rather then as Mafia?
It doesn't come across as someone who wants to be right (town).
They have already blotted out the Sun above them, so it's not like shading is gonna do much.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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VOTE: Firebringer
I actually agree on both Firebringer/Takutai but i think FL makes a decent point in that if a Cop exists, get them to check Takutai, since Takutai claimed VT (i think that's a real claim anyway? who the fuck knows with what is going on in this game honestly.) so i think Firebringer is the better lim target right now.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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Wait like specifically only one of them is Mafia in your mind?Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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Actually a quick check of my ISO makes me question, why do you have a town read on me?Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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I feel like this post overly applies to that, like your reasoning feels bad, and like your not actually solving me (because you'd have to assume that I as Mafia can't feign scumhunting at all)In post 637, Alisae wrote: do u think 615 is something mafia isn't capable of coming up w/?
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No i mean like those questions apply here, why do you think Mafia isn't capable of doing what i have done, and why does it feel like i have been town recently based on... what is basically just really weak vibes (especially enough to get to your confidence tier.)Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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I mean I'll admit this might not be a great reasoning, but it (being Takutai's play so far this game) feels kinda manufactured and kinda fake to me.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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I feel like I'm never going to have a good read on Alisae, and I think I will just have to trust other people to read this slot for me.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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In post 532, MikhailTal wrote: Random Nurse: Mafia.
I'm gonna need the progression on this, because this makes no sense, given what was posted in this time frame.In post 784, MikhailTal wrote: random nurse looks town too at this point? umm, is this game just really easy or something?Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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Maybe I'm being really dumb here (i did have to google the word contrapositive and that is a google search that hurts my brain), but I feel like you avoided the question with this.In post 790, MikhailTal wrote:
miki just takes aspects of other folks' perspectives to their conclusions n sees how it feels about it over n over day 1~In post 788, JasonWazza wrote:In post 532, MikhailTal wrote: Random Nurse: Mafia.
I'm gonna need the progression on this, because this makes no sense, given what was posted in this time frame.In post 784, MikhailTal wrote: random nurse looks town too at this point? umm, is this game just really easy or something?flavor leaf is not the miller and i know who the miller is, testing the contrapositive to its actual beliefs yin thinks?Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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Nothing got stuffed up, you are missing a /quoteIn post 800, Roden wrote:In post 796, Roden wrote:
Oh I see, something in the quote coding got fucked upIn post 792, NorwegianboyEE wrote:In post 791, Roden wrote:Though even if that's true and I've been duped bamboozled and smeckledorfed
Not only that, you might even get fortnite danced on or put on someones "best of" compilations on youtube.
LmaoooooIn post 793, NorwegianboyEE wrote: Oh come on that was not inside of the quote MS.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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The issue being it doesn't feel like 2 different read's lists.In post 808, NorwegianboyEE wrote: So you're going to have two entirely different reads lists depending on who you are at the moment?Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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Oh yeah just to be clear, it wasn't a counter point, more an additional point, the read's seem to similar for what should be a different read's list altogether.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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so can I just check, has Yin read the entire thread?Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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UNVOTE: Firebringer
VOTE: Takutai
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Don't know about normal, but since i came back to MS i have been getting that with every ISOIn post 854, Sakura Hana wrote: Unrelated to the game but:
Why do i keep getting phpbb warnings at the top of the page everytime i ISO someone is this normal or is a me thing.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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Yeah real talk, I came back to the site recently, why is it that like half the people around at the moment don't like using their vote at all?In post 918, Alisae wrote: I think effective use of the vote is uncommon and most players don't rly know how to effectively use their vote.
Is there like an actual reason for it?Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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I mean my point would be, who cares about playing well, play for fun.In post 921, Alisae wrote:
Mafia is a really hard game and it's not easy to play well, so there aren't a lot of players that really know what they're doing.In post 920, JasonWazza wrote:
Yeah real talk, I came back to the site recently, why is it that like half the people around at the moment don't like using their vote at all?In post 918, Alisae wrote: I think effective use of the vote is uncommon and most players don't rly know how to effectively use their vote.
Is there like an actual reason for it?
For me, I know what I am good at, I know what I'm not good at, and I've kind of defined my playstyle and how it is I approach the game.
A lot of people when they're villagers kind of just post what's on their mind and don't rly move about the game with intention
I mean being wrong happens, it's a game, that doesn't inherently mean you shouldn't use your vote.In post 924, Sakura Hana wrote:
Maybe people's inherent fear of being wrong? I know that's a problem on my HS, but the problem there is a lot worse than what we're seeing here and i eventually gave up on it.In post 920, JasonWazza wrote:
Yeah real talk, I came back to the site recently, why is it that like half the people around at the moment don't like using their vote at all?In post 918, Alisae wrote: I think effective use of the vote is uncommon and most players don't rly know how to effectively use their vote.
Is there like an actual reason for it?Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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Also just as a rule of thumb, not using your vote actively harms your chance at a win IMO, since VCA is a strong tool, but with the people on the site atm, it feels like VCA is off the table because no one uses their vote anyway.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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Maybe I'm confused, what exactly makes Taku Town from the flailing?
Question is for NorwegianboyEE, Saukura Hana and Alisae.
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Taku there is plenty of other reason's I can have as Town to vote you there.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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I will note, I do plan on answering this, but I want all responses to my question first, and I'm still waiting on Alisae.In post 1108, Takutai wrote:
I'm not seeing them in your words and as it's "spineless" to not spew out your every thought in a game that's already on page forty-four I'm afraid Tal and I would like to hear them.In post 1097, JasonWazza wrote: Taku there is plenty of other reason's I can have as Town to vote you there.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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I will say i think there is at least one scum in
{Alisae, Sakura, Norwegian}
Because none of them can even actually answer with a reason that isn't just WIFOM
Wagon analysis can give us info, the fact that your wagon went up at that speed is fine, but the speed it dropped off makes me think scum was on the wagon and jumped off it because of convenience, and because they wanted to try and avoid some of the backlash that the wagon has.In post 1108, Takutai wrote:
I'm not seeing them in your words and as it's "spineless" to not spew out your every thought in a game that's already on page forty-four I'm afraid Tal and I would like to hear them.In post 1097, JasonWazza wrote: Taku there is plenty of other reason's I can have as Town to vote you there.
Add that to the fact that none of the 3 can give even a halfway decent reason means there is a fairly decent chance that there was scum there.
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Sure everything is wine, but there is good attempts to sort, and people that aren't actually sorting.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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What, so you would rather just have town reads that could be wrong then actually continue sorting people?In post 1128, Sakura Hana wrote: Oh, hell no, you're not turning me against my townreads.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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Here's the point I will make, if it seems too easy, then it is.
All our read's lists are way too similar, to the point where I think there is scum in this Town Block we have been creating.
It's a 13 player game, and our reads only contradict on like 4 players.
A point was made about there being a lot of strong social players right now, and I agree, but it makes me worried, because I think said players are also using the other players as cover, to skirt on by, while not actually attempting to solve, and maintaining this easy "here's the town block that we all agree on right?"Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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If your just going to admit it's you then fine.
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And that makes me scum?In post 1381, Firebringer wrote: I haven't liked a single push Jason has done this game.
This game frankly just feels annoying to play because no one is DOING anything, i try to get shit done to work on what I'm feeling, and then people decide to actively do less, and this is fucking frustrating.
None of my pushes have been a set in stone you are scum, it's been mostly trying to get actual reactions out, because frankly my reads feel shit, and the Town Block we have feels even worse.
But hey if I'm scum for trying to do shit, go for it get me out.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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One of the Mikhail system said it as well if I recallReturning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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Would that not be wildly unbalanced if there were 3 informed Miller's in the game?
As they would basically turn into a Masonry of sorts without a PT? (Reminder that Miller is only normal as a town role)Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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How about you answer this question?In post 1495, Hu Tao wrote: Sakura who are your top 2 scumreadsReturning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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I mean it's either scum is lurking and being allowed to lurk due to apathy, or scum is deliberately trying to fill the thread with crap to make it harder to read.In post 1508, sheepsaysmeep wrote: I feel like “scum aren’t taking many actions” seems like a bad thing lmao
And we can't really discern either way because everyone can apparently just refuse to play the game and that's ok according to several people.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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JasonWazza Jack of All Trades
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Yeah and you could also play the game and not just spam post, but here we are.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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JasonWazza Jack of All Trades
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Also I haven't been in anything above a micro before this game, but it does feel like a bit more standard fair then I'd personally like.In post 1513, Sakura Hana wrote:
Has the site meta degraded this much since my last time here or is this game an exception and not the norm.In post 1511, JasonWazza wrote: And we can't really discern either way because everyone can apparently just refuse to play the game and that's ok according to several people.
You realize this isn't as easy as you make it seem, the issue with Hypo-claiming is always that it's hard to maintain the facade of giving real results.In post 1518, Flavor Leaf wrote: Obviously, don’t make it obvious you aren’t really those roles going forward, but I think it’s for sure worth doing.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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JasonWazza Jack of All Trades
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