In post 6, VictorDeAngelo wrote:VOTE: Eektor
Not lynching you last game was my biggest regret. Time to rectify that.
qft
VOTE: Eektor
In post 6, VictorDeAngelo wrote:VOTE: Eektor
Not lynching you last game was my biggest regret. Time to rectify that.
In post 41, RadiantCowbells wrote:The guy took a non-serious statement out of context and used it as basis for a wagon.
In post 69, Formerfish wrote:Boon is a VI who does stupid shit early in the game. We, acryon and I, just played a game with Boon where he quick hammered on day 1 (hit scum, but that's beside the point) before a claim was made, or a reads list was revealed and became mislynch bait with a fucking bullet until he was mislynched right before mylo. Acryon is saying, imo, that he is going to take Boon with a grain on salt this game. Unless he is scum, then he would lynch him.
I've modded a game Boon was in, knew he was town and still wanted him dead. Boon is right that eventually I will push him. He is just at that level of play where he should probably die day 2 or 3 by our votes because scum will not kill him.
In post 134, eektor wrote:I do want to FoS on Elbirn as his reason for a vote on Monkey seemed weak and there is something off about his posts.
In post 147, Cheetory6 wrote:Sup, I'm here to awkwardly replace in like a jerk.
In post 141, eektor wrote:In post 137, Elbirn wrote:In post 134, eektor wrote:I do want to FoS on Elbirn as his reason for a vote on Monkey seemed weak and there is something off about his posts.
I didn't like Monkey's responses, and I haven't really got much to go off of. *shrug* What do you see as being off about my posts? I am distracted by one other game I'm playing, so it might be that, but I'd like to hear what your thoughts are.
Your post 68 in response to 67. It just sounds like you are trying to be cool, shrugging off the accusation, just like you did with the last post. You pop in when people mention you but haven't really been around in between. I figured when I FoS'd you would come on and talk about it. Do you have any thoughts on the game besides you don't like Monkey's responses?
In post 154, eektor wrote:
@Elbirn I don't like when people dodge questions too, but do you see that as scum motivated or town? I can see the buddying of acryon with boon, but right now i'm town reading acryon with a null on boon, so I don't think much of it. Also my OMGUS on you was partially because I thought you might have stolen my vote. What do you think of Victor so far?
In post 172, Elbirn wrote:
95 & 99 is an important point in his (VDA's) argument with Copper that I feel is either misrepresented or disregarded; yes, we get it Copper, Radiantbells is the IC. What did you townread her (him? female avatar going with her until corrected) for? If you completely missed the post stating that she was IC, then you must have read in to some other posts of hers and made a determination that she was town. If you can't tell us what those posts were, then you're just townreading someone without reason, and that might be buddying, or it might be pretending to have reads when you don't, and when you think about it, it sounds like crap. Coppers argument that "I wouldn't do X as scum because I'm 2legit2quit" is also bullshit. If you really are good, you'll make scumplays that no one with knowledge of your meta would expect. That's how WIFOM works.
In post 183, copper223 wrote:@Elbirn
In post 181, Elbirn wrote:Any thoughts, Cooper?
I think you are likely buddies, you just switched from a tvt to a tvs on us and used arguments that were already present in the thread when you made your first read, care to justify why you changed your mind? Possibly because the association now is already there after I mentioend it.
I already said why I was leaning town on Radiant at the time, her vote on Victor out of RVS made a lot of sense to me because I also saw that as possibly scum indicative, particularly because I just finished a game with House as a scumbuddy and he often used this kind of absolute reads to justify himself.
Why are you painting it as if I never said where I got my misterious read on Radiant, when nothing in my ISO supports that?
In post 188, copper223 wrote:@Elbirn
I am not buying any of that, if you can kindly tell me who the third is?
In post 204, Boonskiies wrote:I don't like the big walls of fluff so early in the game, also he was leaning scum on monkey, the easiest person to wagon at the time, and now is on to Copper? Hmm...me no likey. No no no likey.
In post 216, copper223 wrote:No, it's a bad vote regardless because the reason for it is terrible, plus you are already 50% there for sure andgiven how hard both Victor and Elbirn are trying to discredit the idea they are scum together(why would you need to do so as town, I would like my fellow townies to ask themselves) I'd say it's above 75% even by your wacky metric.
In post 227, eektor wrote:
@Elbirn According to your definitions I don't town read acryon, I'm leaning town on him. Overall his posts seem town to me. The buddying with boon seems suspicious but I can see his hesistance to lynch boon when he mislynched him twice before. I'm curious where you got the acryon/boon/copper scum team. I understand the link between acryon and boon but not either one of them with copper.
In post 319, RadiantCowbells wrote:Many people did not respond to my last request.
Please, everyone, lmk how you feel about:
SiX
Victor
Copper
Futan
In post 324, MonkeyMan576 wrote:If you look at my posting meta, you'll see that I don't wall post, so just because someone is wallposting doesn't mean I think they are more town.
In post 335, eektor wrote:
@Elbirn That's not fair. I don't believe I misspelled your name once. Actually I think more people have been calling copper cooper than misspelling your name.
In post 337, Toon Fighter wrote:What happened to the game title? I thought we were playing 1640 O.o
In post 337, Toon Fighter wrote:
Seriously, what's with the walls of quotes and text? Feels scummy. Conciseness is townie.
In post 338, Futan wrote:
If I could vig someone ? mmm probably be Copper but that's due to current wall of texts and previous game meta more than anything. I'll think about this over a beer and come back to you.
In post 368, MonkeyMan576 wrote:That's a lot of research to vote somebody over. We've had some replacements iirc so I am going to need to reiso. Don't expect anything in the next hour.
In post 329, Elbirn wrote:
...Okay. But what made you decide to vote for who I was voting for? Was it entirely because you townread me? Have you done any analysis on Copper yourself? All I can recall you saying at the time was "Elbirn seems confident".
In post 417, MonkeyMan576 wrote:In post 329, Elbirn wrote:In post 324, MonkeyMan576 wrote:If you look at my posting meta, you'll see that I don't wall post, so just because someone is wallposting doesn't mean I think they are more town.
...Okay. But what made you decide to vote for who I was voting for? Was it entirely because you townread me? Have you done any analysis on Copper yourself? All I can recall you saying at the time was "Elbirn seems confident". The only thing I like about any of that is that you spelled my name right, a feat that no one else can manage apparently.
Yes, I will sheep on a strong townread, especially on day 1.
In post 542, RadiantCowbells wrote:Yeesh.
In post 598, Boonskiies wrote:In post 596, copper223 wrote:@Eektor
MonkeyMan576 - 4 (acryon, Formerfish, Elbirn, RadiantCowbells)
MonkeyMan576 - 3 (eektor, Cheetory6, Futan)
If you think Victor and I are town, only Boon, SiX and Toon haven't joined his wagon yet, how does this fit with your scumteam?
Only reason I hadn't joined this wagon is because it seemed way too opportunistic as scum, specifically the first time he had the wagon. This second wagon is peculiar to me, though. I actually kind of find Monkey scummier now, yet Acryon/Fish/Elbirn didn't seem to anymore. There could be a case of an early bussing to show a certain kind of association between each other, but I can't really tell which one would be scum buddies with Monkey. I'm leaning more Fishy/Elbirn on that. This will be something we'll have to look more into as more information is revealed.
Anywhosies, it's just a theory. My top scum reads are Victor > Toon, with a little bit of Monkey.
In post 636, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Well, lynching me would be a mistake, I don't know what you want from me.
In post 630, copper223 wrote:In post 628, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Elbirn and formerfish strike me as the type of people that like to pressure vote and reaction vote, so it doesn't really bother me. I know I'm town and I'm not the best lynch today.
This is a possible deadline lynch, I can assure you this is not a reaction test,I'd like your updated reads.
In post 602, copper223 wrote:I like those reads a lot Boon, I'm having second thoughts on Monkey as well because this time around the wagon on him looks pretty town to me.
In post 696, Cheetory6 wrote:
Elbirn, Toon and Acryon probably have the best chance of flipping scum.
Look how gross and soft that interaction is. LOOK AT IT. IT'S DIGUSTING. Feels like he's trying to set up Toon as only being scum if Victor is. Wouldn't be surprised if they're scummates.Elbirn wrote:Toon certainly seems like he could have been bussing but I feel that's hard to say without a victor flip.
Elbirn has also jumped from Copper, to Monkey, to Victor. I feel like he just wants a lynch and doesn't care who it is.
VOTE: Elbirn
SOMEONE GIVE ME A GOOD REASON WHY WE'RE NOT LYNCHING THIS VS SOMEONE WHO'S JUST ABRASIVE/TUNNELLY WHICH FEELS MORE PLAYSTYLE BASED THAN ANYTHING.
In post 724, RadiantCowbells wrote:I have other scumreads but there's no one who is quite as good a lynch as Victor is.
1) People have been constantly addressing him in their posts giving us a great deal to go off with either flip.
2) He's one of my top scumreads.
3) It's a lynch that's likely to happen.
4) He's already claimed and we won't risk piles of claims on first day.
Cheeto, the way you talk it's as if you already know Victor's going to flip scum. It's fascinating, really.
In post 731, Cheetory6 wrote:I just don't feel like your transition between your suspicions is natural. The association between you and Toon also feels hella real. You made an effort to engage me on my point on Victor, but completely ignored the part where I talked about you and Toon being scum together.Elbirn wrote:We have two days left, you're damn right I want blood. Why is that scummy but Boon's constant demand for murder isn't?
If Victor's flip yields the most information for town, *and* a decent majority of us think he's going to flip scum? Yes, I will compromise and lynch him. Sorrynotsorry.
You saying that I'm implying that you're defending Toon a while back is also kind of weird? Don't really think I did that.
In post 742, Cheetory6 wrote:Fact that you're not telling vig to shoot me while also calling me scum feels off. Could see the angle of this being a joke, but I still don't like dis shit.Elbirn wrote:Good scum play there Cheeto.
In post 741, Cheetory6 wrote:Well, you're certainly doing a good job of either not understanding what I'm saying or pretending to not understand what I'm saying.
I'm saying that your push on Toon feels like shitdistancing between scumpartners. It feels like the safe kind of indirect prodding that someone might think would be good for making it seem like you're less likely to be scummates with each other without actually having to take any kind of risk to actually push for said person to be lynched. You get to push a mislynch all while being able to point back to it later and say "look! I suspected Toon! I totally did!"
In post 737, Cheetory6 wrote:You being like "Oh if Victor is scum then obviously Toon must be as well!" feels like an easy way to softpush a scummate without actually having to commit to them, as you can just say on D2 "oh well Victor was town so they're fine c:"
In post 745, VictorDeAngelo wrote:I already summed up what I think. My wagon should have at least two scum. More likely three assuming one of Monkey/Copper is scum.
The only hard thing is so many sheeped on my wagon without really given any explanation as to why they thought I was scum, that it's hard to tell who's town on it. Just don't let people get away with the whole Vic was an infromative lynch, Vic was so scummy etc... because there two equally viable lynches toDay and they would have been equally infromative, and I defy anyone to say I was scummier than either Copper/Monkey. If nothing else it's telling how little people have presented cases, or even just highlighted actual scummy play in my posting. But that's tomorrow's problem. And it won't be mine.
Some final advice:
Vig should target one of Copper/Monkey (and fire tonight even if their one shot). If there's another shot, Boon is a good vig target down the line.
Protection should protect either Cheety/Former. These two would make good neighbourizer targets as well.
Cop should investigate Acryon/Elbirn. I'm not going to say anything to any other investigative roles except use your common sense.
In post 747, acryon wrote:I also agree that Elbirn has been looking quite bad here.
In post 771, copper223 wrote:You don't know how bad you are to make these statements, wait to see if your own reads were correct before making these statements. You are confirming you are town here?
In post 812, pieguyn wrote:i haven't read yet. is there anything I should know that'll affect how I should read things?
In post 799, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Like when you consider the double town flip it puts a whole new light on Elbirn's ambivalence to where his vote went on those wagons.
In post 830, Boonskiies wrote:Victor didn't think I was scummy. He thought I was vig bait so we didn't waste a 'policy lynch' on me? Also, elbirn keeps following my votes...what is your read on me, Elbirn? Also, why do you continue to push in the exact same direction as I do, after I do? The general play style is actually a lot like my own, especially with the pushin for blood end of the day yesterDay.
In post 832, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Toon I could compromise on, but it's Elbirn I really want. The casual flippancy towards the lynch vis a vis bouncing back and forth between all 3 is glaring at me.
In post 829, Toon Fighter wrote:After a careful VCA, and a bit of intuition, I'd posit the scum team is between [Monkey-Cheetory-(Boon/acryon/eektor)]
And if we lynch Monkey everything will become clearer
In post 833, Toon Fighter wrote:
@RC: I can agree on that lynch. In fact, my scum team depends on Monkey being scum. If he is town, then Elbirn is the one we should be after
UNVOTE: MonkeyMan VOTE: Elbirn
In post 861, RadiantCowbells wrote:Look I wouldn't be opposed to a Toon lynch if it weren't for the fact that all of my scumreads are on it.
As it happens there's no way I'm compromising on Toon today, period, end of the line.
So if people, some of whom are town, want to go that direction, that's your prerogative, but you're doing it without the support of the IC, which would give scum good excuses for not joining the wagon, which would mean...
...that if you're voting scum the lynch isn't happening, but that if you're voting town it might.
Just something to keep in mind!
In post 860, RadiantCowbells wrote:"Hi, I'm MonkeyMan576. I think someone might be scum but I'm going to argue with them until they admit they're scum instead of either voting them or convincing others."
In post 859, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Because you seemed gung ho about the wagon before I joined but once I joined, you started getting nervous about it. Maybe you were planning on changing your vote(which you did once you voted me), but didn't feel like you could do it after the sheep. Like I said, weather or not you like someone on your wagon shouldn't matter that much, if you were that confident about the wagon in the first place.