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BigYoshiFan · Post Post #37 (isolation #0) » Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:49 am

In post 28, Jaack wrote:VOTE: BigYoshiFan

You can't win without making a few sacrifices.

VOTE: Jaack
I don't care if I'm OMGUS'ing. This is blasphemy!

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #39 (isolation #1) » Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:07 pm

I can see it, I made myself to vulnerable to this dark humor.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #60 (isolation #2) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 2:30 am

I mean, what information are you expecting? It's post 60 for crying out loud.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #92 (isolation #3) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:18 am

In post 91, Raskolnikov wrote:Maria what are your thoughts on this game?

My thought exactly after that vote on Psyche, also good game during itlepip's game! Never got to say that I thought you played very well!

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #133 (isolation #4) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:38 pm

In post 130, gerryoat wrote:
In post 110, MariaR wrote:
In post 107, Raskolnikov wrote:maria youre complaining about the gamestate in an exaggerated (look at me im upset!) way
but also not doing anything that would change the gamestate or get it started
Ah okay that would be valid if it were true.
I'm not upset at all I'm lazy and board like..."Nothing is going on...shame."
To get something going I would have to give a srs vote on someone I think is scum

So lets do that

VOTE: Gerry
can you seriously go one game without voting me? Just one.

But in our last game, you were both scum. XD

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #134 (isolation #5) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:40 pm

UNVOTE: Jaack

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #154 (isolation #6) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:01 am

In post 153, Jaack wrote:I'm not sure I like what Maria's been doing all that much, but I don't think it's coming from scum.

Still like my gear vote. Think Jake might be on to something with gerry.

You don't know how she plays. This could very well come from scum MariaR.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #173 (isolation #7) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:26 pm

In post 155, MariaR wrote:
In post 154, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 153, Jaack wrote:I'm not sure I like what Maria's been doing all that much, but I don't think it's coming from scum.

Still like my gear vote. Think Jake might be on to something with gerry.
You don't know how she plays. This could very well come from scum MariaR.
You don't know how I play either Yoshi I told you I change how I play each game.

I never said I did; I know you change your game each time and I am not assuming anything about your role. I don't think; however, that townreading you so early is a good play.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #174 (isolation #8) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:32 pm

In post 168, Raskolnikov wrote:@BYF the only thing i get from your posts so far is some interest regarding maria but you havent talked to her or asked anything

I haven't picked up anything since the game started. Really all I could ask is "Hey, how do you feel about this game?" but that just seems stupid and honestly, in my opinion, scummy.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #231 (isolation #9) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:42 pm

In post 226, Jaack wrote:As I said before, I think gerry is a pretty good scum candidate, but right now I'm leaning yoshi as the scummiest.

I really don't like 154-he didn't even ask why I was leaning town on maria, just that I shouldn't be townreading her. 174 is another scummy looking thing. He claims neither to have seen anything noteworthy, and he doesn't show any interest in changing that. Everything from yoshi so far has either been meaningless fluff or more oriented towards shutting down discussion as opposed to promoting it.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BigYoshiFan

Overall, I don't like reads being made this early in the game. Of course, you can make them, but I won't see them as very accurate. You're though, I should have asked why you had townread her. I'm sorry I have not made an effort to promote discussion within this game, I'll try to do that now. I'm busy weekends. :/

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #232 (isolation #10) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:50 pm

Man, I just don't know. I'm not gathering anything yet, but I'm open to any questions.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #234 (isolation #11) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:59 pm

Like Light, I think he's a shitposting town. I just don't think scum would get themselves that kind of attention.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #235 (isolation #12) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:36 pm

Hey, Jake and Gerry? What do you two think of Psyche?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #246 (isolation #13) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:30 am

In post 241, Gear wrote:Yoshi, why did you unvote?

I didn't see a reason to continue with the vote, no one else had a vote on him (I think). I felt that not voting at the moment rather than voting someone with an inaccurate read is better.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #247 (isolation #14) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:31 am

I'll have more input when I get back from school. Yay.... school....

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #254 (isolation #15) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:04 am

In post 251, ecane wrote:Kind of getting a little bit of last game scum vibe from Jaack, but right now that's all there is for me really.

Can you explain this vibe, or is it just like... inexplainable?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #257 (isolation #16) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:08 am

In post 256, Gamma Emerald wrote:I would like to retract my previous statement.
How about we get Psyche to start contributing for real?

I'll help with that.
VOTE: Psyche

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #258 (isolation #17) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:28 am

Maria, your thoughts on Psyche?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #262 (isolation #18) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:54 am

In post 261, Psyche wrote:you're pots calling the kettle black

So I gather you still have nothing useful to contribute.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #265 (isolation #19) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:59 am

Rask, why haven't you asked Psyche of anything? You ask for useful content, and he is not contributing any. This also applies to Jack, who even voted me for not contributing.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #272 (isolation #20) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:10 am

In post 266, Psyche wrote:lately i've been waiting to notice something but i'll try something else shortly
i'll make something like a map

Well, this isn't a troll post. Honestly I think he was open to questions the whole time.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #273 (isolation #21) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:11 am

In post 268, Raskolnikov wrote:that's a good observation from you though

Thanks! It is my second game and that helped boost my self esteem, but you still did not answer my question.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #281 (isolation #22) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:47 am

I think people are misinterpreting 154, my read on Maria at that moment was null, and I certainly did not think she deserved any townread for what she has contributed so far. I think MariaR is a very good player, boy did she have us fooled last game. If she was any ordinary player I would have probably townread her by now, but I'll be paying far more attention on her posts before making dissertation of her alignmenr, which is why, Maria, I asked for your opinion on Psyche. Your response was not a simple "He's bad town" or anything like that, in fact, it elaborated on a possible mafia tactic being deployed, so my read on Maria is weak town, hardly going to go above that unless I am ABSOLUTELY sure of it.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #282 (isolation #23) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:19 am

In post 168, Raskolnikov wrote:@BYF the only thing i get from your posts so far is some interest regarding maria but you havent talked to her or asked anything

Specifically here you ask for more information to carry on discussion, but overall, you're posts ask for information to carry on the discussion within this game. Not something I scumread for, but you don't seem to ask the arguably least contributing player, Psyche.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #283 (isolation #24) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:21 am

Hey Jake, can I get some input from you too? Any scumreads or townreads? Anything that you can say to get the ball rolling?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #287 (isolation #25) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:17 pm

In post 286, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 283, BigYoshiFan wrote:Hey Jake, can I get some input from you too? Any scumreads or townreads? Anything that you can say to get the ball rolling?
I will say based on what I've seen so far the person who I feel warrant votes on them would obviously be psyche.

Why won't you place a vote on him then?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #288 (isolation #26) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:19 pm

In post 276, MariaR wrote:
In post 258, BigYoshiFan wrote:Maria, your thoughts on Psyche?
Any reason you asked me? Not that I mind.
From what I can see I think at least one mafia is riding the "nothing is going on meh" wagon and is using that for lack of content the ironic thing is Psy has been here a lot more than others and still has barely anything to go off of so I wouldn't be sad to vote him but I somewhat wanna milk this deadline out until we have 2 days so just incase I'm voting.

UNVOTE:

I mean, he's at L-4, a vote would help while also keeping him at distance from a lynch.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #291 (isolation #27) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:06 pm

Nah, I just wanted an analysis of Psyche from you.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #293 (isolation #28) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:46 pm

Well, I was hoping to get a train on him so he'd stop saying shit and contribute. That apparently won't work with how dead this thread's been.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #295 (isolation #29) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:57 pm

I'm getting a scumread on someone, not sure if I feel comfortable revealing yet. Are you comfortable enough to share? Perhaps if it's the same person I'll feel more comfortable sharing.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #303 (isolation #30) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 3:04 am

I'd also like to know, I was just thinking you were being a bit overreactive, but Gear's post intrigues me. It puts it into a more negative, but justified, perspective.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #311 (isolation #31) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:33 am

Crazy shit happened at school today, everyone's going home early because of a bomb threat. I'm not even at my high school, I'm at a middle school in the same district. Dunno when I'll be home, but I'll contribute once I get home.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #312 (isolation #32) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:47 am

At the moment, Jaack's reaction to 302 seems it but over-the-top to me. I don't feel like going into deep detail on a phone, but because of Jaack's post I have scumreads on both him and Gerry now. By the way, my initial scumread was Jake, but I am putting that aside now because I have a stronger read.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #315 (isolation #33) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:44 am

In post 310, Jaack wrote:
In post 279, light_ganski wrote: Gear hasn't said an awful lot really, though I'd like to know why he was interested in mine and Rask's history. Town side of null, not much else to say yet really.

As for yoshi, I didn't notice until I ISO'd him but I'd like him to elaborate on 154, why he thinks Maria looks scummy. As I've said Ive got a reasonable townread on Maria so I'd like to know what he sees as scummy in her. 171, 231 and 232 seem to be him complaining about how it's difficult to read people this early on, and whilst I understand that sentiment he must of picked up on something worth commenting on further than 'that could've come from scum Maria'. He's asked a couple of okay questions after that but overall, a weak scumread, but would need to see more to solidify that.
Now that gear has done more recently could you expand a little there?

In post 302, Gear wrote:Jaack, your comment to Yoshi "So I can't make judgements on players I've never played with before?" seems over the top to me. Yoshi telling you that Maria's play could be from scum-Maria, is just him warning you to be cautious with your read on her. What do you think was scum!Yoshi's motivation here? You also attacked Yoshi for not being interested in why you are town reading Maria, well, it seems to me that it would make more sense for you to explain why you are town-reading her, and see what Yoshi has to say, but that's just me. I'd also like to see where you think that Yoshi has been trying to shut down discussion.
I thought that yoshi's comment showed very little interest into why I was townreading Maria. He wasn't making any effort to show me where I was wrong or anything. His later explination in 231 shows no indication why he thought my town read in particular was worth commenting on. It wasn't a particularly strong read, and its not until 281 that yoshi can come up with a reason why my slight-townread on maria was worth singling out, which is an explination that contradicts 231. First it was because he didn't like early reads at all, but then it's because Maria's a good player.

It feels more like yoshi wanted to comment on Maria (who was the topic at hand) but wanted to avoid much fanfare.

Now look at yoshi's play since then. 173 simple reaffirms 154 without further explination. 174 is worthless and pretty blatantly anti-discussion. 231 is completely conciliatory to me after I started pushing him further. Note here that 173 is similarly backing away from confrontation with Maria.

In general, it feels like yoshi was trying to avoid making waves. That's why he basically conceded everything to me in 231 when I initially voted for him, and it's why he spent a good amount of time focusing on psyche recently.

But let's look at how yoshi approached the whole psyche-thing. He says psyche is 'shitposting-town" in 234, asks like 4 different people about psyche, votes for him, but never once asks psyche any questions directly. All in all, it looks like he's trying to draw attention to psyche's lack of content - which is obvious - but he's not trying to do anything about it. And then 295. I can understand trying to keep your reads close to your vest (although I don't endorse it) but the way he does it is scummy. It looks to me like he want to follow someone else's reads and logic.

All in all, yoshi looks like someone who's trying to avoid making waves. He concedes basically everything to someone else.

In post 307, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 226, Jaack wrote: you actually never said gerry was a good scum candidate and your reasons for yoshi loop like you are reaching for something. So can you go back to gerry for a second. Tell me why you think gerry could be scum.

In post 153, Jaack wrote:I'm not sure I like what Maria's been doing all that much, but I don't think it's coming from scum.

Still like my gear vote.
Think Jake might be on to something with gerry.
While I may not have come right out and said it, I did pretty heavily imply I thought gerry was reasonably scummy, just I liked gear less at the time. I liked your initial questioning of gerry (141) in regards to his reaction to Maria's vote.

As for gerry now, I didn't like his reasoning in 280 all that much in regards to you (jake). His reasoning is vague, aside from the part about you focusing on him, which still fails to explain his initial scumread/vote on you, since it came afterwords.

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I'm becoming more and more convinced that yoshi is scum. Gerry is probably my number 2 now.

Gear's recent stuff with regards to me looks ok to me, so he's out of my scumpile for now.

1. Gear's stuff seems okay even though Gear is defending me, AND Gear voted Jaack.
2. His whole reasoning is from one encounter between himself and me.
3. I really don't care why you are townreading Maria, but I think it's inaccurate to make one of her this early.
4. What are you trying to say about Maria and me?
5. Regarding Psyche, I am trying to get him to contribute. I would post when I have tried, but there are too many (and too obvious) to be honest.
6. So you're willing to completely ignore Psyche even though he has made absolutely no contribution.
7. What did I concede to you? You said I was being inactive, and I became more active.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #334 (isolation #34) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:39 pm

In post 323, Gamma Emerald wrote:I want to contribute but no one has addressed me. I am opening myself up here and now, ask me anything and I will answer. I'm tired of simply observing.

This whole thing going on between Jaack and I, what are your thoughts?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #336 (isolation #35) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:47 pm

My scumread on Jake was because it seemed like he was trying to find a buddy. I asked for his scumreads because, well, it would help me determine if he was scum. The tone of which I said it was to make him feel comfortable in revealing. When I said "I have a scumread on someone" I wanted him to infer that it was not him, although it was, so he'd be more open to share any reads.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #340 (isolation #36) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:07 pm

I mean Jake from State Farm, not Jaack.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #343 (isolation #37) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:13 pm

Do you two have anything for me?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #362 (isolation #38) » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:38 am

My scumread on Jake was for two reasons: One, he seemed like he was trying to find a buddy (me). Two, he was unable to give me any scumreads. Overall, I don't think he's done much to help the town.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #396 (isolation #39) » Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:23 am

Guys, I'm afraid I'm not gonna have much time to commit to this game for a while. School is getting tough, and I need to prioritize that. I'll be on every now and then, but don't expect to much from me. Interpret this how you will, probably a scum who ran out of ways to defend themself, I don't care. If you can ask me anything you want to hear from me in short, simple questions, that would be great!

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #400 (isolation #40) » Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:29 pm

In post 378, Jake from State Farm wrote:Yoshi completely ignored 322.

You know why? It's because it isn't all that wrong. Some of the conflict is because I think more attention should be put upon those who aren't contributing and overall some actions I did appear to him as scummy. I still feel strong for 1. Number 2 was saying that this was a small encounter for such a huge response, which seemed scummy to me. I don't think his response to 3 was one that grilled me. Sure, I admit I should have asked for why he townread Maria, it would have been a logical thing to do there, but I didn't really because I don't care. I'd like some explanation on 4, and why he thinks 154 is scummy. He's got me on number 5 though. He's right, but like him I didn't feel like he was gonna respond so I looked into getting votes on him instead. Number 6 is just a matter of opinion. Personally, I think non-contributing players should be given more attention. Now 7, I dunno... I didn't think it was conceding at first, looking at it again I really just wanted to avoid any conflict, not to mention he was right.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #401 (isolation #41) » Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:32 pm

In post 398, Gamma Emerald wrote:Can you share your townreads then?

Maria and Rask. You know why? Because despite my epic grills they are still defending me, looking into the motive behind what we post and not being afraid to post everything they think about the game. My mafia game sucks, and I think scum is trying to take advantage of that.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #406 (isolation #42) » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:00 pm

Who cares if it was directed to someone else? I found it contradictory to his posts so you're damn right I'm gonna say it! He didn't even elaborate on why I could be wrong, just ignored it because it was from me.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #407 (isolation #43) » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:04 pm

Is anyone else getting a scummy vibe from Jake and his recent posts, or is it just me?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #411 (isolation #44) » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:13 pm

In post 409, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 406, BigYoshiFan wrote:Who cares if it was directed to someone else? I found it contradictory to his posts so you're damn right I'm gonna say it! He didn't even elaborate on why I could be wrong, just ignored it because it was from me.
Wait. Who contradicted his own posts? Who didn't elaborate?

Why are you even arguing with me if you don't know who?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #413 (isolation #45) » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:16 pm

VOTE: Jake from State Farn
UNVOTE: Psyche
You're not posting anything that can't be given just a simple answer, if you know what I mean. You're thinking "OMG HE POSTED THIS" instead of "Why did he post that?"
Does that make sense to anyone who isn't Jake? Do you agree with me? I dunno, a vibe is hard to explain, but I feel like I should justify my vote.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #415 (isolation #46) » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:17 pm

In post 412, Jake from State Farm wrote:Im not arguing with you.

I asked you cause I'm confused because your responses don't make sense based off the actual posts

Okay, well regardless, if you can't tell me who I was referring to then you shouldn't even be conversing with me about it.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #416 (isolation #47) » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:19 pm

Off to marching band practice! Be with you either in a few hours or perhaps tomorrow morning. Maybe I'll post from practice.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #423 (isolation #48) » Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:53 pm

Hold up, when I said Gear looks okay even though he was defending me, I meant that in Jaack's point of view. I'm not reading him at all for that. In regards to Jaack's contradiction, it's that Jaack scumread me and Gear didn't, but Jaack finds that "ok". Also, Gear voted Jaack, but that seems "ok" to Jaack. You see where I'm going? How can you think someone's content is okay when they are defending your scumread AND voting you? Or am I horribly misunderstanding this?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #461 (isolation #49) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:29 am

Hold up, I'm at school right now, and after reading Jake's posts... Like what? His accusations make absolutely no sense. First of all, there was no misrake between Jake and Jaack, I used Jake the first time. Also, why do you mention this noe and not question it when it happened? A LOT more to come.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #464 (isolation #50) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:18 am

It was a response to 322. I "ignored" the rest of the post by not responding to it as a whole, but that does not mean I did not read it.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #466 (isolation #51) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:25 am

What was the point in telling me that? Do you think I care? Have you given up?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #474 (isolation #52) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 6:19 am

In post 467, Jake from State Farm wrote:I feel at this point you are just trying to cause confusion. You are acting confused when I have clearly and rationally explained all my thoughts and you i don't feel have done a good job with it. At one point i even asked you a clarifying question and you basically refused to answer me. i don't see that as a town motivated action.

so yes it sucks i am stucking tunneling on yet another person, I think I am tunneling in the right direction so my vote won't be coming off you anytime soon.

p.edit - No I haven't given up, i have no reason to give up. I feel pretty good I have found scum and i am hopeful people will finally open their eyes.

You're trying to make it confusing. When did I refuse to answer a question? I will gladly answer it. When you say that my word is not good to you anymore, I think you're trying to make it personal which is a HUGE scumtell to me.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #476 (isolation #53) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 6:36 am

If you want to cut your losses here, then fine. Everything you've said only made me more confident that you are scum.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #480 (isolation #54) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:07 am

In post 478, Gamma Emerald wrote:"Cut your losses"
One of Jake or Yoshi is scum.

Why is that?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #482 (isolation #55) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:19 am

In post 481, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 480, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 478, Gamma Emerald wrote:"Cut your losses"
One of Jake or Yoshi is scum.
Why is that?
Both of you are giving me scummy vibes, butI don't think you two could be buddies with how this is going down.

Faur enough, but what have I done to make you scumread me?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #514 (isolation #56) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:48 am

Psyche, can I get your opinion on the current matter of me and Jake and, well everyone in thr last 100 posts, and I want a real analysis. Jake, look back one more time, and if you really want an answer, you will find it.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #517 (isolation #57) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:06 am

Lol Maria, welcome Ira!

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #518 (isolation #58) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:08 am

In post 515, Psyche wrote:as i've already said, jack's portrayal of your play is pretty spot on, except you might be town anyway

So this is implying that you scumread me, or have you already declared that?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #528 (isolation #59) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:52 am

Is that L-1, or L-2? Hold up let me check.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #571 (isolation #60) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:41 pm

Let's hear that claim Jake.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #585 (isolation #61) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:51 pm

In post 580, Gamma Emerald wrote:I said before there was one scum between Jake and YoshiFan.
Now that Jake has claimed:
VOTE: BigYoshiFan

WHAT? HE CLAIMS AND YOU AUTOMATICALLY BELIEVE HIM? (Throws laptop out window)

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #593 (isolation #62) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:53 pm

Oh you didn't vote? XD

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #595 (isolation #63) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:54 pm

So, which is more likely in 11-player game? 2 or 3 mafia?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #598 (isolation #64) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:54 pm

In post 586, MariaR wrote:THAT'S NOT HOW THIS GAME WO- *facedesk*

Look
Jake vs yoshi is TVT

or

SvT with jake being the scum take your PICK

This reaction made me laugh so hard!

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #600 (isolation #65) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:55 pm

In post 597, iraonavp wrote:
In post 486, MariaR wrote:VOTE: Jake
If you want to pressure me rask do it yourself bet make others do your bidding
I expected some big sr when psy when in fact it's clear he wasn't reading the thread because my Gerry vote was because he was my friend ans I wanted to see his rxn
Let's join the bw now shall we
MariaR, you were already voting...

God dammit Ira...

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #608 (isolation #66) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:58 pm

In post 597, iraonavp wrote:
In post 486, MariaR wrote:VOTE: Jake
If you want to pressure me rask do it yourself bet make others do your bidding
I expected some big sr when psy when in fact it's clear he wasn't reading the thread because my Gerry vote was because he was my friend ans I wanted to see his rxn
Let's join the bw now shall we
MariaR, you were already voting...

In post 580, Gamma Emerald wrote:I said before there was one scum between Jake and YoshiFan.
Now that Jake has claimed:
VOTE: BigYoshiFan

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #612 (isolation #67) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:59 pm

In post 609, MariaR wrote:anyone up for a last minute flash wagon on psy?

Starting to get less of a scum read on him too?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #620 (isolation #68) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:02 pm

I'm just gonna stick with it. Whenever I change answers last-minute on a test they are always wrong. Moral: Stick with your gut feeling.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #624 (isolation #69) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:03 pm

In post 621, Raskolnikov wrote:Unvote jake
iraonvp is most convinced on gamma scum but wants to lynch jake on like entirely association or something
gerryoat is probably scum and has inexplicably wanted jake gone from rvs
psyche's vote was left on from rvs and he doesnt even scumread this

Wait, are you unvoting him or telling us to unvote him?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #628 (isolation #70) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:06 pm

UNVOTE: Jake from State Farm

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #629 (isolation #71) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:07 pm

Are you townreading Jake?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #633 (isolation #72) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:08 pm

In post 630, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 628, BigYoshiFan wrote:UNVOTE: Jake from State Farm
What the fuck.
Don't you still scumread him?

Well, not as much... We also have a week left and I wanna hear what Rask has to say. This is just a precautionary to make sure no one hammers.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #638 (isolation #73) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:13 pm

VOTE: Jake from State Farm
I gave you a chance, and you just blew it.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #639 (isolation #74) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:18 pm

@Mod, Vote count please?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #699 (isolation #75) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:40 pm

In post 696, Jaack wrote:I am town watcher, saw light_ganski targeting rask last night.

VOTE: light_ganski

A quick iso of ganski doesn't leave me with any good feels as to a partner, but my guess it would be someone on the Jake wagon. Probably Gamma or Yoshi.

I'll believe it for now, some part of me is thinking you two are partners bussing each other.
VOTE: light_ganski

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #704 (isolation #76) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:01 pm

I don't Gamma is scum. I think of 580 as a misunderstanding of how the game works, and I see it as further evidence in the genuinity of his reads. I don't know what 604 was about, but I don't see it as scummy. And honestly, I don't think someone who is scum would OMGUS Ira as hard as Gamma did. Let's not forget he created his account two weeks ago.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #705 (isolation #77) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:02 pm

In post 703, iraonavp wrote:From looking at light_ganski's ISO, it looks like ecane and Gamma Emerald are scum-aligned with her from the read list, and how light_ganski is hesitant to read ecane as town-aligned... There is little interaction with Gamma Emerald, and interaction with ecane is suspicious.

Also, it shows BigYoshiFan and probably Psyche as more town-aligned, the way she is pushing them can't be a bus.

Dude, you replaced ecane.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #706 (isolation #78) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:05 pm

In post 696, Jaack wrote:I am town watcher, saw light_ganski targeting rask last night.

VOTE: light_ganski

A quick iso of ganski doesn't leave me with any good feels as to a partner, but my guess it would be someone on the Jake wagon. Probably Gamma or Yoshi.

Why did you target light_ganski?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #711 (isolation #79) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:12 pm

In post 709, Jaack wrote:
In post 706, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 696, Jaack wrote:I am town watcher, saw light_ganski targeting rask last night.

VOTE: light_ganski

A quick iso of ganski doesn't leave me with any good feels as to a partner, but my guess it would be someone on the Jake wagon. Probably Gamma or Yoshi.
Why did you target light_ganski?
I targeted Rask. Watcher sees who else targets my target. Rask was the obvious nk choice since everyone but ira was hard townreading him.

Oh oops, sorry I got confused with the tracker role.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #716 (isolation #80) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:35 pm

I don't really see a reason why Jaack (if he was not a watcher) would reveal this, considering that if he was lying he'd be lynched the next day. If he was lying and light_ganski ended up being lynched, I don't see how we would be able to lie his way out of a lynch himself. Worst case scenario: Light is town, another townie is killed, and we have 4 townies vs. probably 3 mafia, one of which we would know.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #718 (isolation #81) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:47 pm

Hey Jaack, what do you think of Gerryoat?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #732 (isolation #82) » Sun Sep 25, 2016 5:14 am

I still don't see a valid reason for why you would track Rask, you townread her.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #735 (isolation #83) » Sun Sep 25, 2016 5:30 am

Why don't you vote Light?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #739 (isolation #84) » Sun Sep 25, 2016 5:47 am

What makes you think Gamma is a PR? Also, you're probably just better off voting Light, because I don't think anyone besides you will be voting Gamma.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #744 (isolation #85) » Sun Sep 25, 2016 6:24 am

In post 742, gerryoat wrote:Gamma is sided with the mafia. Please vote him. I have a reason as to why he is mafia. So please vote him

Are you softing PR?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #747 (isolation #86) » Sun Sep 25, 2016 6:44 am

In post 745, gerryoat wrote:If that will make you vote him, sure

I still have more to believe that light is mafia than Gamma. For you to know that Gamma is a Mafia PR you have to be a... what PR's can figure that out in one night?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #751 (isolation #87) » Sun Sep 25, 2016 6:54 am

Well a role cop can't discern an alignment, right? Sure, if you see "ninja" it's probably mafia but... Until he claims it I'm voting light.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #797 (isolation #88) » Sun Sep 25, 2016 1:31 pm

In post 793, MariaR wrote:VOTE: Light

Gerry and Light are partners trying to look for the 3rd

Gamma isn't mafia.

Glad somebody said it before me.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #798 (isolation #89) » Sun Sep 25, 2016 1:31 pm

Are you implying that there is a traitor?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #800 (isolation #90) » Sun Sep 25, 2016 2:19 pm

Oh, I thought you meant they were searching for their 3rd. Sorry.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #809 (isolation #91) » Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:33 pm

In post 808, gerryoat wrote:
In post 806, MariaR wrote:Gerry stop the over reactions it's so cringe and not helping you.
I
DONT
GIVE
A
FUCK.
GAMMA
IS
CONFIRMED
MAFIA.

If you want to prove it to us, give us actual reasons and stop spamming caps.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #811 (isolation #92) » Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:47 pm

Dude, you can't be over it. You seem very passionate about your claim, and if you really want us to believe it, give us a valid reason and not capital letters. I'd probably wait until day 3 to start elaborating, because at this point, light's lynch is inevitable.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #833 (isolation #93) » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:44 am

Wait what, what do you mean?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #903 (isolation #94) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:38 pm

Hey guys, I am here, sorry for the lack of posting. Hectic day today, I'll be MUCH more active tomorrow. As of now my scumreads are Psyche and Gear, and ESPECIALLY GEAR. More to come.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #907 (isolation #95) » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:52 am

VOTE: Gear
Wakey Wakey Gear.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #909 (isolation #96) » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:59 am

UNVOTE: gear

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #910 (isolation #97) » Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:06 am

Maria... I'm having serious doubts about you now.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #912 (isolation #98) » Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:55 am

The only person I trust at the moment is Iraonavp. If Maria is mafia, Gear is not mafia. I think I might be down for a MariaR lynch, mainly because of everything Ira has said this day so far.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #914 (isolation #99) » Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:06 am

Could you give me something else besides meta and personal regrets? Your responses to Ira on this day were mediocre, like... me in my last game with you mediocre.

BigYoshiFan · Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:09 am

In post 905, iraonavp wrote:From looking at ISOs, I would vote Psyche over Gear but it's a very slight thing.

Only because of Psyche's read on light_yagami and response to the watcher claim... And Gear just seems like a standard town-aligned player.

I really don't want to lynch anyone other than MariaR today, though.

I think a standard town-aligned player would be a little more, no, a LOT more active. However, I am still not sure between the two.

BigYoshiFan · Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:20 am

VOTE: MariaR

BigYoshiFan · Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:28 am

In post 919, Psyche wrote:if we're sure there are 3 scum, then maria is basically ruled out as one of them

Who would be your other scum read?

BigYoshiFan · Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:38 am

[/unvote]MariaR[/unvote]

BigYoshiFan · Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:38 am

I'm dumb.
UNVOTE: MariaR

BigYoshiFan · Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:59 am

You know what, Maria if you are scum with either Psyche or Ira good game, but just because this asshole hasn't decided to post AT ALL. VOTE: Gear

BigYoshiFan · Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:03 am

Oh my gosh.... wait. Maria, if Gear is your scumread then why did you unvote?

BigYoshiFan · Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:17 am

Not really... what do you mean by bliz?

BigYoshiFan · Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:17 am

UNVOTE: Gear Just explain that and I will revote.

BigYoshiFan · Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:28 am

Okay, makes sense... One sec lemme check some ISO's.

BigYoshiFan · Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:42 am

I'm gonna wait for Ira and Gear to come.

BigYoshiFan · Sat Oct 01, 2016 12:07 pm

In post 875, MariaR wrote:VOTE: Ira
Idc you're a moron and bad if you're town idgaf
you
can lose.
If your mafia and I don't know it in psy/gear great!

I feel like if Maria was town, she would have said "we" and not "you". Also this vote of her's resolved very soon, suggesting that this was a fit of rage when she unvoted, but you don't vote like that when you're town at a LyLo.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #949 (isolation #112) » Sat Oct 01, 2016 3:00 pm

GEAR, WHERE ARE YOU?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!??!?!??!?!?!??!?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #950 (isolation #113) » Sat Oct 01, 2016 3:01 pm

In post 948, Psyche wrote:
vote maria

Who do you think is her partner?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #952 (isolation #114) » Sat Oct 01, 2016 3:04 pm

I wasn't expecting a surefire answer, just a hunch or suspicion.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #954 (isolation #115) » Sat Oct 01, 2016 3:24 pm

In post 945, Psyche wrote:
In post 938, iraonavp wrote:
In post 919, Psyche wrote:if we're sure there are 3 scum, then maria is basically ruled out as one of them
Why?

I think it's still possible for Gear and MariaR actually... It could be trying to bus him very hard, so she knows Gear isn't town-aligned so unafraid to put him at L-1. Either way, MariaR would not do that as town-aligned when Gear didn't even post...
why would maria bus in a gamestate like this one

So... you don't think MariaR is partnered with Gear?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #965 (isolation #116) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:54 am

Man, I am growing impatient... I kinda wanna see her flip already.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #970 (isolation #117) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:46 am

Fuck it, you hammer when you want Ira. If I'm wrong, well... shit.
VOTE: MariaR

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #972 (isolation #118) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:55 am

I'm really sorry if I am wrong Maria, but just the tone of your recent posts, the quality of what you've had to say, and everything Ira has said to you today makes me believe you are scum. But, if you can convince me otherwise within however long it takes for the hammer, then go for it. Regardless, I hope there are no hard feelings.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #973 (isolation #119) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:56 am

UNVOTE: MariaR
Oh my god I suck at this game, I just don't wanna fuck up

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #975 (isolation #120) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 8:00 am

It's just... your posts lately have appealed more to emotion than logic. And Ira's comments towards you leave me with many questions, for starters: Why would you claim BG? If mafia supposedly has a roleblocker, such a claim would have no effect.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #977 (isolation #121) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 8:03 am

Your top two scumreads are Psyche and Gear, correct?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #980 (isolation #122) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 8:08 am

Fair point...

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #981 (isolation #123) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 8:11 am

Oh my god where the hell is Gear? I wanna get this shit over with. Isn't he due for a prod, or a replacement for that matter?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #982 (isolation #124) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 8:31 am

In post 813, Gear wrote:I'm looking forward to lynching light and gamma.

Why? You never expressed a desire to hang Gamma before, and after this vote you were like "Fuck this shit, I'm out."

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #985 (isolation #125) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 8:42 am

In post 982, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 813, Gear wrote:I'm looking forward to lynching light and gamma.
Why? You never expressed a desire to hang Gamma before, and after this vote you were like "Fuck this shit, I'm out."

Wait, Gear never voted Light despite saying this. :/

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #986 (isolation #126) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 8:44 am

Lynch recap

Jake from State Farm: Voted by Gear, Iraonavp, BigYoshiFan, MariaR
light_ganski: Voted by BigYoshiFan, Iraonavp, MariaR
Gamma Emerald: Voted by Gear, Iraonavp, MariaR

BigYoshiFan: Lynched a townie and scum
MariaR: Lynched a townie, hammered a townie, lynched a scum
Psyche: Didn't lynch, or vote for that matter, anyone
Iraonavp: Lynched 2 townies and a scum
Gear: First to vote and lynch 2 townies.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #989 (isolation #127) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 2:11 pm

Gear, come back please! D:

Spoiler:

BigYoshiFan · Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:20 am

In post 1008, Gear wrote:
In post 907, BigYoshiFan wrote:VOTE: Gear
Wakey Wakey Gear.
Explain now please

For two reasons: One, I got bored and wanted to accelerate the game.
Two, I wanted to see who would jump on, if anyone.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:42 am

I mean, if there were any PR's left, would you want them to come out?

BigYoshiFan · Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:55 pm

In post 1010, Gear wrote:
In post 982, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 813, Gear wrote:I'm looking forward to lynching light and gamma.
Why? You never expressed a desire to hang Gamma before, and after this vote you were like "Fuck this shit, I'm out."
This
In post 696, Jaack wrote:I am town watcher, saw light_ganski targeting rask last night.

VOTE: light_ganski

A quick iso of ganski doesn't leave me with any good feels as to a partner, but my guess it would be someone on the Jake wagon. Probably Gamma or Yoshi.
and this
In post 808, gerryoat wrote:
In post 806, MariaR wrote:Gerry stop the over reactions it's so cringe and not helping you.
I
DONT
GIVE
A
FUCK.
GAMMA
IS
CONFIRMED
MAFIA.

Okay, but you didn't actually vote light.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:58 pm

In post 1024, Gear wrote:I haven't seen any other 11 player games, but 13 player games with 3 scum are typical, and 11 players with 2 scum, all vanilla is scum sided (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=68387) see post 11, so watcher + pinger, with scum RB doesn't seem crazy to me.

But with a roleblocker, I feel there should be more roles to block, no?

BigYoshiFan · Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:02 pm

In post 1035, MariaR wrote:Yes.

But why? What if they are a doctor or BG or... something that can't determine scum or hasn't yet.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:15 pm

In post 1039, MariaR wrote:
In post 1038, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 1035, MariaR wrote:Yes.
But why? What if they are a doctor or BG or... something that can't determine scum or hasn't yet.
Would you believe someone claiming pr at 3 way?

3 way?

BigYoshiFan · Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:23 pm

Okay... I'm a town tracker.
N1: Gerryoat targets Gamma Emerald
N2: Gamma Emerald targeted no one
N3: MariaR targeted no one

I keep getting scummy vibes from Maria, but because she didn't visit anyone, that's keeping me from making a strong scum read. She has no reason NOT to target anyone if she was scum, whether she was killing or roleblocking someone, right?

BigYoshiFan · Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:24 pm

Also yes, I could have saved Gamma Emerald Day 3, but you all were so eager to lynch him I never got to say anything, I was at school.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:31 pm

In post 1048, Psyche wrote:yoshi's claim is dubious

Dubious in whether I should claim or not? Yes.
Dubious in the information I am presenting? No.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:33 pm

In post 1047, iraonavp wrote:Hm...

Okay, if that is true we should not lynch MariaR today then, since if there is only one scum-aligned player it cannot be her.

IF there is one scum left. Is there still a debate over whether there are 1 or 2 left?

BigYoshiFan · Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:33 pm

There is no way she could be a ninja, right? And I know I wasn't roleblocked, it would have just said "No Result".

BigYoshiFan · Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:37 pm

In post 1056, iraonavp wrote:
In post 1054, BigYoshiFan wrote:There is no way she could be a ninja, right? And I know I wasn't roleblocked, it would have just said "No Result".
Well, it could be as a counter to both of watching and tracking...

But it would have to have limited use, since light_ganski wasn't seen performing the kill on night 1.

But.. I mean.. a ninja and a roleblocker along with a goon. No way, right?

BigYoshiFan · Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:38 pm

Also, if Maria was a ninja, light wouldn't have performed that kill, so I guess that rules it out.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:47 pm

God damn, I had such a strong scumread on Maria, but no matter how much I wanted to attack her for it... I had to remember she didn't visit anyone.
Since we are not lynching Maria, I think I'd move to Psyche with a small preference over Gear. I'm not sure if Psyche has posted anything that wasn't at least 2 lines long and Gear is probably the most active he's ever been suddenly. Where was he for Gamma's lynch?

BigYoshiFan · Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:48 pm

In post 1061, iraonavp wrote:BigYoshiFan, can you link to a game where you were scum-aligned from another site you mentioned you played at before?

I can't find any scum-aligned games that you played here...

Actually, I've never played as scum before. I don't have THAT much experience offsite, but I wasn't new to the game itself.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:51 pm

In post 1062, MariaR wrote:Rber and Ninja making watcher/tracker useless and a rber for pinger...Seems fair.

Not to me...

BigYoshiFan · Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:58 pm

Too be honest, I feel the same way about you. XD

BigYoshiFan · Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:59 pm

Ew, I'm sorry that "to" should only have one "o".

BigYoshiFan · Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:05 pm

In post 1069, iraonavp wrote:Actually, there has to be two remaining scum-aligned players since gerryoat was blocked on night 2 and there was a kill as well. If there is only one scum-aligned player, they couldn't block any more.

Therefore, I still think we should lynch MariaR because she probably just didn't perform the kill on that night.

Of course, this is invalid if there is actually town-aligned roleblocker, but I doubt it at this point...

So you're saying... MariaR is the roleblocker and she didn't roleblock anyone?

BigYoshiFan · Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:06 pm

Also, I feel dumb, how did I not realize the roleblock and kill on the same day? Who kept arguing there was only 1 scum left? XD

BigYoshiFan · Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:20 pm

In post 1080, Psyche wrote:hell look at rule 5
5. if a player has both a faction ability and a role ability that either both function during day phases or both function during night phases, that player may use both a faction ability and a role ability during the same phase.

SOLD!

BigYoshiFan · Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:23 pm

In post 1074, Psyche wrote:how many times has yoshi voted maria just today

Knowing that Maria did not visit anyone night 3 doesn't CLEAR her of anything, but it makes it much more likely she is town. This seems like such a narrow-minded post in a desperate attempt to get dirt on me.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:24 pm

I mean... is there an advantage to using only one person to roleblock and kill someone? Did they still suspect a PR was alive?

BigYoshiFan · Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:28 pm

In post 1081, iraonavp wrote:
In post 950, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 948, Psyche wrote:
vote maria
Who do you think is her partner?
Considering that he thought there were two, and only when Gear talked about it we considered it more, I think it's believable for BigYoshiFan not to think that MariaR is cleared from his result.

What can he gain from gambiting about this if MariaR is town-aligned? Doesn't seem like much, since we were going to lynch MariaR anyway.

I believe him...

Okay I believe your 100% town now.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:39 pm

I mean, because a mafia roleblocker can kill and roleblock at the same time, I'm going back to the assumption that there is 1 scum left. Also, when I opened my laptop, a small flame ignited at the edge of the hinge... uhhhh should I be worried?

BigYoshiFan · Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:45 pm

@Iraonavp, did my claim and information make you read MariaR as less scummy at all?

BigYoshiFan · Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:28 am

In post 1107, iraonavp wrote:
In post 1105, Psyche wrote:damn man google it
So you are saying you believe him now because he was anchored to his own role?

I find that unbelievable because it's soft evidence compared to your previous opinion that he was gambiting.

At the moment, I'm deciding whether to vote Psyche or Gear, but I'm not leaning towards one in particular.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:20 am

In post 1111, Gear wrote:UNVOTE:
I want Yoshi to explain his night choices after all.

N1: Tracked Gerryoat because he seemed the scummiest to me, not posting much and not putting much into his posts.
N2: Tracked Gamma Emerald to see if Gerryoat's claim of him being a mafia PR was correct.
N3: Tracked MariaR because of her BG claim and hammer on Gamma Emerald.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:22 am

In post 1110, Gear wrote:When I was thinking about balance before, I forgot that it is not too likely for the pinger to manage to confirm himself town, so knowing there is a rb I don't think having a tracker in the game is over powered for town. I believe Yoshi's claim, I won't be lynching Maria or Ira today.

Vote: Psyche

So the only reason you're believing my claim is because of balance?

BigYoshiFan · Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:28 am

BigYoshiFan · Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:30 am

Hey Maria, what do you think of Gear's reasoning for believing me, which I've defined as: just because of balance. Am I wrong in saying that?
Ira, you too!

BigYoshiFan · Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:31 am

Sorry... Psyche I want your opinion as well! I don't want to leave you out despite my slight scumread upon you.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:07 pm

In post 1122, MariaR wrote:
In post 1119, BigYoshiFan wrote:Hey Maria, what do you think of Gear's reasoning for believing me, which I've defined as: just because of balance. Am I wrong in saying that?
Ira, you too!
*shrug* It's a fair statement you could of claimed anything and I'd still tr you

See, that's the thing though. Your opinion of me is based on my gameplay and what I post and why. Gear went from completely denying my claim to believing it because of balance. I don't know... it's just the small things now. I can't decide between Gear and Psyche.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:29 pm

In post 1114, MariaR wrote:I still pref Gear over psyche but I can't see how Ira sees me as scum with anyone at this point due to interactions but *shrug*

Well that was a quick change.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:31 pm

In post 1125, Psyche wrote:this town has been disappointing from start to finish

Psyche, many of your posts have contributed nothing whatsoever, just meaningless commentary. While I think that their votes are rash, you haven't given me anything to believe you are town.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:44 pm

You know what? There's no way Maria is partnered with Gear or Psyche, she's voted them both to L-1 on a LyLo. (Call it WIFOM, I don't care.) I have a hard town read on Iraonavp. Maria, if you vote Psyche, I will hammer it after he's given a final response.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:47 pm

Intent to hammer Psyche

BigYoshiFan · Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:52 pm

In post 1133, MariaR wrote:If it's 2 mafia I'm clear unless ninja right?

Yes.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:53 pm

Why do you ask?

BigYoshiFan · Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:59 pm

In post 1136, MariaR wrote:cause I can see Ira insta voting me the next day if this is wrong....then again I'm prob the optimal NK

What? Why would they kill you?

BigYoshiFan · Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:05 pm

It's just that there is an obvious reason they wouldn't go for you, if you recognized it.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:09 pm

But I mean... I already said it. You DO know... I guess you just forgot that I'm a PR.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:11 pm

What convo?

BigYoshiFan · Tue Oct 04, 2016 5:35 pm

Anyone have any objection to me hammering Psyche? Last chance.

Intent to vote Psyche at 12:00 PM tomorrow

That's when I get off school, it's a half day tomorrow

BigYoshiFan · Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:10 pm

In post 1149, Psyche wrote:dumb decision

You keep saying that, but you're not giving me any reason why. I like people that quote other people, and tell me why it's scummy. I like people that can analyze what people say, why they say it, and draw conclusions from it. That shows the effort that a townie would go through to win the game. You gave up, in fact you seem like you entered the game knowing you were gonna lose, and even if you are town, you don't deserve to win with the effort you've put in.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:15 pm

In post 15, Psyche wrote:oh no i don't know how to handle forum crushes

vote Raskolnikov

this is buddying and i will not tolerate it

In post 116, Psyche wrote:
vote jake

his advocacy for an rvs seems like it was somehow serious as well as poorly justified

In post 431, Psyche wrote:
In post 256, Gamma Emerald wrote:I would like to retract my previous statement.
How about we get Psyche to start contributing for real?
so much talk about other people contributing but his iso is basically nothing

In post 435, Psyche wrote:
light_ganski
is pretty newby - SE level, to be exact, though; evident in #72, #94
seems sincere, though?
not much she's said is useful but it does seem town
#208-#210 shows thought process that i feel only more experienced scum would know to fabricate; there is a chance she's walking back a vote that she's afraid will come off as opportunistic/lazy; stronger townread by this post for sure
#279 leaves me reasonably confident and cements a shift toward more useful content

BigYoshiFan
his answer to jaack in #231 is weak;
he's taking a moment to criticize having reads during the early game? who does that help? how does that contribute?
banal reads he only provides upon inquiry; rather passive play overall by #235
400/401 looks better i guess

MariaR
her vote on post 89 sort of extended RVS past its expiration date. Post 96 similarly suggests a mindset of someone who's having trouble not just scumhunting but faking scumhunting.
also, her exasperation about the early game's content seems disingenuous
in post 110 she makes her first "srs vote" in order to "get things going" but it's just for Gerry and comes with no justification at all; could she really have believed that would have
done
something her generic rvs wasn't?
the exchange through her #138 is just mehh, like she just did it to rid herself of suspicion
but there is some evidence of thought process that isn't outright avoidance of suspicion; she's trying to be sophisticated?
still no reads on post #278
380 is lame but seems, investigative?

Jake from State Farm
vacillates between casual (ex 78 where he sings the praises of an rvs lynch, or #285 where he's answering rask's rhetorical question to sing the praises of low-effort play) and on-edge (ex 422)
its hard to tell which are more convincing and which seem more skeevy; i'm just ambivalent about him
his reaction to my call for a policy lynch seemed rather tight-lipped. it's not that i expected him to produce some wordy reply; his just seemed sort of reserved
his #289 is so mixed up; i'm the closest thing to a scumread he has and warrant votes, but you're making a case for reading me as town?
and in #294 he's discrediting away the only reason someone would vote for me and think im town - the possibility of pressuring me into contribution
#301 is a smooth enough explanation that i don't see much point in thinking about this exchange further; if my shitposting were a sort of reaction test, the gist of this without the confusing exchange it follows is what a 'decisively' town reaction might look like

Psyche
is town; promise
would you guys believe me if i said i pull the shitposting schtick early often because it's the most low-effort way to get reactions?
doesn't really matter if you don't i suppose

gerryoat
by post #218 has been largely irrelevant
same by #280; there are signs he may just be lazy though
even by #355 still is just boring and trashy

ecane
easy townread?
doesn't seem to be trying to impress anyone, which scum might do with the role he's chosen to take itt

Raskolnikov
easy townread; doubt this is so controversial that i need to say more

Gear
is an alt; beware
and yet, nothing much several pages in?
he's here by page #240, but the vote isn't really very solid
cases on page 6 have to be overblown, gears' not excluded, and jack's vote for yoshi isn't even a good example of that fact
thinks like me in #298
with his #427 what i'm suspecting is that his rather stale play only seems clean because he's experienced

Gamma Emerald
says a lot without saying much. but hey it's day 1.
called rask's post "SCUMMY AS FUCK" and said the post "really pinged me" but there was no vote or further show of, er, passion about the possibility of rask scum afterward; one of the most likely shows of disingenuous emotion in the game so far
his #253 is wrong and also facile
so much talk about other people contributing but his posts are literally nothing; he retracts his #253 without prompting, which is interesting, shows a commitment to the truth that problematizes my hypothesis that he's just fluffposting/going through the motions
his #323 is weird; why does he have to be addressed in order to do things?

Jaack
in 226 he mentioned his belief that gerry was a good scum candidate, but had only vaguely gestured at that in his earlier posts
his vote is on gear and he's even made a small case on the dude in post #67, but there's more mention of gerry than him; kind of strange
given that this quip has little basis in his quotes, it seems more likely that the basis is actually in his own mind - ie that he does have actual scumreads and isn't just posturing; it's reasonably possible that he's confabulating scum, though
by post #226 i wish i could sort him as town but he's rather null
seems more town in #310 for obvious reasons; it's a good case for page whatever
these are my notes
it's a lot clearer where i am on everyone now, though the last few pages have made me less sure about lots of things
unfortunately, i don't have enough townreads or clear scumreads to confidently call a duo or trio, but i do have enough that i can demarcate which lynches i would and wouldn't accept today

In post 436, Psyche wrote:
In post 433, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 426, Psyche wrote:it's so weird how someone can go from saying "random quicklynches on day 1 are nbd" to calling inactivity "inexcusable"
It's not weird at all actually. All lynches are useful, even quick lynches. Being a useless lurker isn't at all and is incredibly antitown/scummy.
this such a facile mindset that i'm having a hard time believing you sincerely have it

Prove it to me. I barely see anything that was quoted, just a bunch of 1-line or 2-line noncontributing commentary. The only thing that shows any effort is your wall of notes that you took... a while ago, but never cared to elaborate on.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:16 pm

Oh my god none of that is supposed to be there. But what I was trying to do is quote anything that shows any sort of analysis, though it may be very minute and not well backed up.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:18 pm

In post 1154, Psyche wrote:and your activity hasn't really been even nearly substantial for most of the game
just a bunch of banal or lazy insights questions that couldn't even imaginably lead anywhere useful besides moments like these

Neither has yours until today.

BigYoshiFan · Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:32 am

Sorry Gear, I will answer your question at the end of school today, I got up late and gotta hurry!

BigYoshiFan · Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:36 am

In post 1187, MariaR wrote:UNVOTE:
If it's 2 scum I wonder if Town would quicklynch Gamma cause Psy wasn't voting.

What do you mean?

BigYoshiFan · Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:26 am

Okay.... I'm back.
Gear, you asked why I think you not voting Light is relevant.
You had no reason not to vote Light, and in fact, you expressed your intention to do so in that one post that said: "I look forward to lynching Light and Gamma."
You did not express any doubt of Light being mafia, and it was very clear (probably at the time of that "I look forward to lynching Light and Gamma." post) Light was the lynch candidate for the day. Carrying it out seems unnecessary.

Why am I complaining about your absence on Gamma's lynch, despite it being a quick lynch?
Because YOU WERE THERE, but all you decided to post was "I look forward to lynching Light and Gamma."

All of this aside (because I thought Gear deserved a response) I think I've concluded Psyche to be a stronger scumread than Gear.

BigYoshiFan · Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:28 am

VOTE: Psyche
Back to you Maria.

BigYoshiFan · Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:00 am

In post 1191, MariaR wrote:I'm just uneasy because if Psy is mafia that means town lynched 1 person with no help from scum zzz

We blame Gerry for that, scum didn't need to help. XD
Psyche's style is that he doesn't vote for anyone.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:40 am

Good game! Iraonavp served his scum team well!

BigYoshiFan · Sat Oct 08, 2016 11:00 am

Thanks for hosting xyzzy!

BigYoshiFan · Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:02 am

No, he would have lost. I was tracking you, Gear; I would have seen that you weren't scum.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:11 am

Oh yeah... XD

BigYoshiFan · Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:33 am

In post 1288, iraonavp wrote:
In post 1284, Gear wrote:I thought Ira had a much clearer path to victory killing Maria and leaving Yoshi alive. It seemed like Yoshi would have never voted Ira, and Maria was more of a wild card, especially after the previous day.
I thought about it, but I wasn't confident that he would continue to trust me... Instead I decided to leave MariaR alive so I had the option to use that argument to make myself seem town-aligned.

Your doubts were well-justified. I don't know what it was, but something gave me a slight suspicion of you being scum. I can't say whether I would have listened to it had you kept me alive though. Probably not to be honest.