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VOTE: Rb

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TL also has a lot of fluff

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VOTE: Rb

UNVOTE:
VOTE: flubber

I wanted to see who'd join 4th slot. Now I know

Isn't 4th on the wagon what you look at after a slot flips town

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I'm sorry but I have to back rb here, I've been part of a scumread that won thanks to a terrible town.

There is no terrible town or terrible scum, only terrible players. You'd have won as either alignment against bad players.

so dumb

it's like a totally different game playing town vs. playing scum

That's where I was going but when you make posts like this I don't want to sheep you

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I personally don't like Flub's response to the dichotomy.
VOTE: Flubbernugget

I'm not sure where you're seeing a dichotomy

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1) Rb should be getting better reads off of his flashwagon

2)Flashwagon means less rqs fluff

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wrong flashwagon noobs

You're not very good at this... are you? I'm obvious town.

I almost want to ask you to elaborate but I know better

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I personally don't like Flub's response to the dichotomy.
VOTE: Flubbernugget

I'm not sure where you're seeing a dichotomy

The dichotomy of scum or town being easier to win at.

I consider that to be irrelevant to this game. Why do you disagree m

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Quick disclaimer

My posts have the worst typos on the site and I'm getting less and less interested in trying to correct them

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I personally don't like Flub's response to the dichotomy.
VOTE: Flubbernugget

I'm not sure where you're seeing a dichotomy

The dichotomy of scum or town being easier to win at.

I consider that to be irrelevant to this game. Why do you disagree m

In saying your vote on rb followed by accusing Tywin of fluffing seems rather like playing both sides.

Both sides?

You do realize there's probably more than one scum in the game right?

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You think you're cute don't you

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Flubber has caught me out on a lie before when I was scum, he got lynched, and I survived the next three days afterwards. Not relevant, but that's my funniest flubber moment.

Grrrrrrr

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Hi Boonskiies

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My policy lynch "not serious" vote now changed to a serious scumread vote

"Shitposting=scum" not when I say it's a policy lynch, you don't even try to look at what I read, you just turn it against me while misinterpreting it, then go "3rd scum found" as if the entire scumteam is going to pile on to you like that. I didn't scumread you before but I do now.

More reads Pls

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Who is scum

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Choof

What are you doing

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Why is rb useless and not just scum

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I'm starting to see where Boonskiies is coming from

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And I'd let my buddies bus the hell out of me. The game I was talking about earlier with flubber, I claimed tracker day 1, day 2 I claimed a guilty on my buddy, we got in a deep 1v1, day 4 I got in a deep 1v1 with my other buddy and got him lynched. Won the game in lylo where I kept alive a claimed mason from day 1. You're flawed. Don't use the "you've never played with me" defense if you aren't willing to accept it both ways.

Boonskiies

I think you're a cool dude

But the way you bring that game up I really think you peaked early

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Why is rb useless and not just scum

Missing the point. He was telling rb to play serious. No alignment evaluation was involved.

There's a whole 1v1 to comment on

Why is this the only thing you're seeing

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Pg 14

I obviously have to retract what I said about Gamma

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So I'm not thoroughly reading through TL Boonskiies but between [p]233[/p] and Boonskiies openly admitting he was inciting a 1v1,TL is coming out on top

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233

Lol

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I meant 309

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holy crap, this is so bad.

I said ONE POST of yours get townie points. One. I did not town read you. This guy literally doesnt even read the thread.

Hmmmm

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17

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Can you explain 585?

I found it suspicious that you had nothing to say about the major interaction going on at the time. Reading further, I realized that my suspicions were based on a false premise

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10+ pages happened in a day. That takes time to catch up with. Why was this such a pressing issue to you?

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@Michael - Remember how I said I wasn't freaking out in that last game. This is me freaking out. Haha. But I'm being pushed by scum. And I will always keep going as town. Sometimes I have to have a little freakout to get my thoughts in place.

Why are you being freaked out and who are you being push now as "scum"? (Note that I have to read the thread, but so I know what to look for). That said I haven't decided on anyone's alignment yet, thread is filling fast and I'll go through it thoroughly and catch some scum. Don't want to make some half assed reads right now which is why I only analyzed the votes, because I skimmed through the thread so I know at least a little bit what's going on.

If you're town, what is exactly wrong with posting half assed reads? Nobody is expecting you to single handedly solve the game, and your approach to scum hunting seems unnecessarily opaque.

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My policy lynch "not serious" vote now changed to a serious scumread vote

"Shitposting=scum" not when I say it's a policy lynch, you don't even try to look at what I read, you just turn it against me while misinterpreting it, then go "3rd scum found" as if the entire scumteam is going to pile on to you like that. I didn't scumread you before but I do now.

Cool story scumerino, sit in the corner until town's ready to lynch you please.

I don't often think the "populair wagon" is on actual scum. But this is one of the cases where I think, there's actually a decent chance you'll roll scum. Let me sum your contribution so far:
- shitposting entire page 1
- saying the people on your wagon are scum
- when I say to policy lynch you, and also say it's not serious, you act like I'm scumreading you by saying "lol shitposting=scum" sarcastic remark
- you respond by calling me scum for correctly pointing out the holes in your logic, which turns my joke vote I was willing to take off had you responded normallly, into an actual serious vote and scumread

No way I'm going to bandwagon a policy lynch unserious bandwagon as scum when my teammate already did so who you already called out.... say we're scum pushing you as a mislynch, what happens after you flip? We all connected? Your story makes no sense and the fact you don't see that is a scumtell. You're just literally voting people back for voting you for obvious reasons (the day 1 spam which was anti-town).

I like this post

?? Looks like he laid down a scum case with no vote

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Whoops he was previously voting for rb disregard

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Meh whatever. Everyone playing these days call others bad and amateurs as if they're good at this. None of you were around a decade or more ago. The best players quit long ago. Even this name was made because I can't even remember my old alias.

Point is, kasumat hasn't posted anything of substance except calling me bad and saying my case is garbage, without actually saying why. He's chainsawing for Boonskies by discrediting me as a player, and discrediting my case without any reasons given.

Found the scum buddy guys.

If Boonskies flips scum, kasumat is his buddy. Already getting associations and it's D1! Very productive day.

Do you really think scum would chainsaw after you said "scum are going to chainsaw this"?

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And if we're TvT, then Gamma is scummy as hell, let's both admit that, Tywin.

Why

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Oh god
Reading through this game has been torture. So much sub-optimal play

@Everyone
I don't think boon "freaked out" per say. He initiated this "1 v 1" of sort. What kind of scum draws that much attention to himself

It's a valid scum tactic to clutter up a thread

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Forgot flubber and Mel. I distrust them both, but null for now. Maybe scum lean on flubber for his rb vote.

Are you still on that 4th on the wagon thing?

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The reason I'm considering scum v scum is that that whole exchange was really stupid. Tywin's case was garbage, and Boon's overreaction to Tywin's garbage case was strange. Both strike me as experienced players, and when I see experienced players acting really, really stupid, it's often because they're scum. I think it's an exchange that good scum players are capable of making, because even if it ends up with one getting lynched, it looks really good for the other.

The problem with this is that scum can make rock solid cases when they bus and if Boonskiies is to be believed that TL is lying to build his cases, that's not happening here. There is literally no way they are both scum

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I still like rb for scum

Choof might also be scum

If TL is stretching cases as hard as Boonskiies is claiming they're also probably scum. I will have to find this with my own eyes at a later time

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Rb still has no reads

Choof isn't hard scum but looks the least town out of the rest of the game

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(This is probably really bad reasoning. My apologies. It's just that I'm really sure he's scum)

I blew this off at first because I know how easy it is to pick a scum case apart piece by piece but I'd rather not get into another interaction like TL and Boonskiies.

However, the fact that you have zero confidence in a case you literally just wrote is highly suspect.

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Rb still has no reads

Choof isn't hard scum but looks the least town out of the rest of the game

Elaborate on choof please. Give me the nitty gritty on that read.

There is no nitty gritty. It's basically POE. Nobody else really strikes me as scum

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TFL has very few posts. How do you get town from his posts?

The little substance in TFL is still more than choofs posting

CooLDoG is virtually nonexistent to even comment on them. Forgot they were in the game tbh

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You seem to agree with me that rb has no reads based on your questioning.

You should put a vote there

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(This is probably really bad reasoning. My apologies. It's just that I'm really sure he's scum)

I blew this off at first because I know how easy it is to pick a scum case apart piece by piece but I'd rather not get into another interaction like TL and Boonskiies.

However, the fact that you have zero confidence in a case you literally just wrote is highly suspect.

No I'm sure you're scum

I just don't know how to articulate it well

And you don't think that says anything about how worthwhile your read is?

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I've only ever seen town scum slip, so I hope you find other ways to read Boonskiies too

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Do you think TL is scum?

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I've only ever seen town scum slip, so I hope you find other ways to read Boonskiies too

You mean you only have seen townies appear to slip?

Yep

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I still like rb for scum

Choof might also be scum

If TL is stretching cases as hard as Boonskiies is claiming they're also probably scum. I will have to find this with my own eyes at a later time

Please explain to me what kind of rock solid case you expect to see on D1. I'll wait for an answer.

Same question to key. Explain

Aside from that, please give your rock solid case on scum, since you both say mine was garbage, but neither of you have attempted to make one your self on anyone.

I never said your case has to be rock solid

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You seem to agree with me that rb has no reads based on your questioning.

You should put a vote there

What? Also I townread him.

Why are you more concerned with me scum reading choof than anyone else?

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You seem to agree with me that rb has no reads based on your questioning.

You should put a vote there

What? Also I townread him.

Why are you more concerned with me scum reading choof than anyone else?

Okay, thanks for changing the topic. I am concerned about your choof read because he seems like lynchbait. I'm thinking that either he's town and you are scum pushing the low hanging fruit or he's scum with you and either you're removing baggage or setting up a bus.

I'm not the only one scum reading choof yet you're only concerned with my read?

You're also acting like I'm making a massive push on choof and I'm not

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(This is probably really bad reasoning. My apologies. It's just that I'm really sure he's scum)

I blew this off at first because I know how easy it is to pick a scum case apart piece by piece but I'd rather not get into another interaction like TL and Boonskiies.

However, the fact that you have zero confidence in a case you literally just wrote is highly suspect.

No I'm sure you're scum

I just don't know how to articulate it well

And you don't think that says anything about how worthwhile your read is?

Nope! I'm bad at putting words to what I believe. However, you're yet to refute my points. All you've been trying to do is discredit me

You have yet to get anyone to sheep your points. They're bad enough to fall apart on their own.

Also if I were to refute your points I would be discrediting your read so your latest accusation is again baseless

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Both have interacted with you in ways of constantly calling you town while not being suspicious at all.

Pretty sure Flubber is suspicious of me. that mel post made me town read her.

You haven't done much more than fight with TL

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did anyone vote choof outside of me? I think he'd be an easy target for scum to vote on after doing a few scummy things, here's my current thought process:

You just said that:

1) scum probably voted for choof

2) you voted for choof

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And Cooldog's case might be even worse than Tywin's. At least I feel like Tywin believes that he has some case even though he has nothing.

If you think Tywin is pushing his case from a genuine point surely he's town?

Pedit: it's a physical pain in the ass to pick apart a case from the phone I usually post on so it's literally not worth my time

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Nothing stopping you from reading it now

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VOTE: Flubbernugget

did you actually read the case

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Like, I understand why people would vote for choof. But the fact that he is a self defeatist asshole (voting for himself) makes me think a wait and see attitude is better... guys like him don't give us any info to go into d2 with, that's my opinion.

Flubber could be scum, content-less posts, sits on them fences and doesn't commit to a read

I'm very committed to rb being scum

You should vote for them

Or at the very least vote for TL

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Rb

I just got out of a game with you where you spend the entire game tunneling a single player as town

That was scummy there, and you're doing even less here

Why are you still alive

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Fucking groan

Let's see what we have here

WhyMafia is saying:

-> Voting fluff posters on page 5 is scummy

-> Pressuring a player for knowing too much about player alignments seems like I don't want to pressure someone

-> Not wanting to follow the reads of my scum read is scummy

-> I have expressed my reads. The only person to have asked much about them is Gamma, who only asked about my weakest scum read, and only asked me about it. However, I am scum for not having reads.

-> I am a hypocrite because of a bunch of quotes with no explanation behind them

-> I am lying low despite only being inactive during a 1v1 that happened within a short time span

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Let's try it this way CooLDoG

What part of WhyMafia's case actually holds water?

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Why are you even entertaining a case that the poster said they can't articulate?

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Your homework for tonight is to read page 31 again

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Rb

I just got out of a game with you where you spend the entire game tunneling a single player as town

That was scummy there, and you're doing even less here

Why are you still alive

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VOTE: Flubbernugget

did you actually read the case

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Rb still has no reads

Choof isn't hard scum but looks the least town out of the rest of the game

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1) Rb should be getting better reads off of his flashwagon

2)Flashwagon means less rqs fluff

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You might notice a theme here that rb cannot articulate a single thing they are doing

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But you won't

You will just quote my reads again and ask why I have them

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I guess I haven't said as much about TL as I thought

But I pretty much agree with Backhand on the slot

They are continuing to just say...things and it really doesn't matter what they are as long as the words spew forth

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I took TL's initial case on Boonskiies at face value and then flipped when I looked into the actual substance behind it

That's not really a fence sit

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"If I ignore the majority of his play it looks pretty honest"

Fuck out of here

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No, it doesn't.

And I don't think you've actually explained a scum read of yours come to think of it

Why is that?

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Rb

I just got out of a game with you where you spend the entire game tunneling a single player as town

That was scummy there, and you're doing even less here

Why are you still alive

And in that game I eventually stopped tunneling and caught 2 scum. Your point?

I'm also not tunneling this game, so...?

Tunneling is more than nothing and those two scum came out of a gunsmith guilty so try again

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LOL

You have one point from near rvs

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I voted for one fluff player and then disliked the other fluff player and you're trying to say that's the best of both worlds somehow

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Do you only have one scum read for me to laugh at my friend

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Cooldog just is probably scum trying to fake a tunnel on someone that he doesn't think he'll get scum read for

I'm going to get back to this

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cooldog is right in calling me out for shit posts because my posts were shit. not in the way that they didnt contribute, but in the way that I hadnt read the thread and made the connections yet

calls out boonskiiess spamwalls where scum would probably want that to happen because its deraillling the fuck out of the thread

like if we accept the world where tywin is town then scumcooldog isnt defending his mate here, and if we assume boon+cooldog arent scum vs scum here, then the only scumdog option left is pushing boonskiies as a mislynch, or bringing it up and hoping others will catch on,

I mean cooldog is going out of his way here on the boonskiies lynch and I wonder if he would be willing to soak up that much attention right now as scum, since it doesnt seem needed at all especially if rb/tywin are town, because then the popular wagons were on scum already

has flubber as could be scum

understands people scumread choof but doesnt say he can agree

I like cooldog for town despite his obsession on boonskiies, yes townboonskiies actually goes completely mad over stuff like 1 vote and other irrelevant things, hes just a very passionate player, and I wanted to lynch hhim for ir previously in games where we were both town

A town player can recognize a bad contribution for the fact that it is actually a contribution and read it accordingly.

I understand where you're coming from with the spamwalls, but why is he scum reading the player that doesn't constantly make things up and try to hide them as fact within walls of text? Those call-outs were important.

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I decided to fill in the blanks in my reads list and I have 4 solid town, 1 solid scum, 2 decently town, 1 decently scum, 2 null town, and choof, who gets a category to himself.

my bad if you already posted but what's the list of people right now?

Solid town: rb, Tywin, Boon, you
Decent town: WhyMafia, Fuzzy
Null town: Melanora, Backhand (choof, plus the stipulation of being vig shot if one exists)
Decent scum: Kasumeat
Solid scum: Flubbernugget

Interested in your kasu read

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yes, but when tywin flips scum, it directly goes back to cooldog.

I think you're thinking what I'm thinking

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I'm fine going on cooldog or flubber even now. I like the people on the flubber wagon, and when it picked up tywin went off.

Remember, Michael. I play a certain way so I don't get NK'd early game. People like killing me lately. Gotta do something.

Why do you like people on the wagon that made your top scum read disappear?

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being NK'd early is a good thing

scum nk the good players

have you played with boonskiies before?

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Boonskies, you want me dead because you aren't town, and its obvious you'll have to get past me to get anywhere this game. Me being alive means you're fucked, and we both know it.

That being said, you better NK me, because the only way you will get me lynched is if I'm VLA and shit town quicklynch me. That's it. It's the only way Titus got me lynched in a previous game after 4 days of trying her best too, and that woman knows how to death tunnel. You're small fries compared to that.

Enjoy flailing around, because you wont stand a chance unless you NK me, and we both know it. To be extremely fucking blunt, it's obvious to me that Boonskies real goal is to get me to L1 and get a claim. He's role fishing. The guy is not very good at it though.

There are two people scumreading boonskiies by my count

One of them won't vote

You're doing a bad job of leaving boonskiies fucked here

This is another lie

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I'm fine going on cooldog or flubber even now. I like the people on the flubber wagon, and when it picked up tywin went off.

Remember, Michael. I play a certain way so I don't get NK'd early game. People like killing me lately. Gotta do something.

Went off? I was on flubber before you ever mentioned him. He's still in my scum pool. I graduate my reads into various spots though, unlike you whom pick anyone they have a tough time against and decide they must be scum. It's kind of funny tbh. It makes me wanna pick on you in future games too, just to see how you'll react. It feels a little like poking a bear with a stick though.

You already just made an excuse why you won't be NK'd here. LOL! This guy is so scummy its unbelievable. Nobody will vote you Boonskies, but we will fix that eventually buddy. No worries.

You sat on my for the 4th on the wagon thing (which I explained was bad already) and that's all I remember of you scum reading me

I will check back on this

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Mel,

I ignore you because you haven't said anything

, won't get me lynched, I think you're scum, and I don't trust any of your reads.

I think they're all manufactured to be shit,

because you aren't town. If you are, then you're just really bad at reading players pre-flip, so theres no point having a discussion with you yet. You clearly aren't a D1 player. Neither is Boonskies by his own admission. Neither is rb, or choof, or hell, most people. There's a few specific obvious town players that I really worry will get NK'd tonight, and then IF it's a town bloc of players like you (mel), rb, choof, etc... I seriously worry that this game will be a town loss. This is assuming you aren't scum, which I think you are.

What I'm saying is I have zero faith in you, and when players I have zero faith in call others bad, it's honestly a compliment. So thank you for that. I know it was inadvertent, but let's not pretend you know what you're doing when all your SRs (or 'claimed' srs) are on the lynchbait players. Either you're scum that is very bad at manufacturing reads, or you're really bad at seeing the big picture.

-> Hasn't said anything, but still has reads to refute

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Mith was 16 when they started this place up? that's pretty cool i guess

I know a few high level mods who are 16 too. Idc about that except that it tells me they weren't around long ago. Different meta with different versions of what normal roles. Anyway, that's enough of us derailing the thread I guess.

@Flubber: who are your SRs and why? Who are your TRs and why? If you had to pick one player that you were confident was scum, and knew you could lynch them just by your vote, who would it be and why?

Need reads from you. You've kinda been floundering, but if you flip town, I wanna know who you thought was scum.

I've expressed my reads several times

I've expressed the reasoning too

This is the fluff I am getting accused of spewing

Also it's another falsehood

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nai is becoming one of those terms that mean nothing. You can just say, "that's nai!" and get out of it. And, as predicted, the omgus comes out. I always knew I was omniscient, but this is ridiculous.

You do realize "omgus" sits in the same exact spot that "nai" sits, right?

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My worry with flubber is that my SRs also SR him.

This seems too easy, as if I helped derail the rb and choof wagons only to help push a flubber one that is still on town. Idk. I feel better about flubber being scum than I do about rb or choof, but I'm not stupid. I know scum won't be voting their buddies on D1. There's a reason there's always a NL in any game that the wagon is on scum D1. It never gets hammered. Scum would have to be really bad for that to really occur.

Sigh whatever. I don't expect to live long anyway. I'm not scum, so I won't be making excuses for why I won't be NK'd like Boonskies did. That's an obvious scum slip if I ever saw one.

The flubber wagon is all my TRs so I like it. My SRs have stayed off it, so I think it's a good one.

Need to see more from flubber though. Need to read his thoughts.

Hey look another lie

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Also, with Cooldog, he completely ignored anything on Tywin, and just looked for stuff on my end that was loud.

Still going to get to this

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Mel and boon are flailing hard lol! It is this easy. Could lynch me if it means they go next. Any takers? I'll do a 2 for 1 anyday.

Sure, I'll take this. LOL. When you flip scum, that'll clear us anyways.

Lol you're fucked no matter what, because I'll flip town. I'm just more than willing to take your scum team down with me. It's pro-town all the way.

Of course, you and Mel wouldn't take the same bet, because your flip will be red.

Can you please just stop? I had moved on from you, and now you're just dragging me right back.

This whole post screams of a self-vote, to prove how town you are.

REALLY?

Go sit down and be quiet while the adults talk.

I should point out every time you make a post that does nothing

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Spoiler:

My policy lynch "not serious" vote now changed to a serious scumread vote

"Shitposting=scum" not when I say it's a policy lynch, you don't even try to look at what I read, you just turn it against me while misinterpreting it, then go "3rd scum found" as if the entire scumteam is going to pile on to you like that. I didn't scumread you before but I do now.

Cool story scumerino, sit in the corner until town's ready to lynch you please.

I don't often think the "populair wagon" is on actual scum. But this is one of the cases where I think, there's actually a decent chance you'll roll scum. Let me sum your contribution so far:
- shitposting entire page 1
- saying the people on your wagon are scum
- when I say to policy lynch you, and also say it's not serious, you act like I'm scumreading you by saying "lol shitposting=scum" sarcastic remark
- you respond by calling me scum for correctly pointing out the holes in your logic, which turns my joke vote I was willing to take off had you responded normallly, into an actual serious vote and scumread

No way I'm going to bandwagon a policy lynch unserious bandwagon as scum when my teammate already did so who you already called out.... say we're scum pushing you as a mislynch, what happens after you flip? We all connected? Your story makes no sense and the fact you don't see that is a scumtell. You're just literally voting people back for voting you for obvious reasons (the day 1 spam which was anti-town).

this post is ass. This case is simply a glorfied justification for staying on an rvs wagon of a player who is clearly trying to scum hunt. On day one this should be enough to not lynch someone. Also, other posts up to this point made by michael are also ass filler.

That Michael vote is pretty opportunistic.

opportunistic in what way

It's the vote that is there to start a precedent for the fabricated read paths you are going to set up this game. Joining in repertoire with Rb, then voting who's pushing you is a scum tactic to make Rb feel like he is safe with you.

A fair enough point, but I think it only really will pan out iff micheal actually is town. Also noting association tells only matter after flips as well. Town buddy all the time.

why would anyone explain townreads this early in the game, thats dumb

qft

VOTE: rb

bad vote is bad. Seems quite hypocritical, especially given the fact that you just got flak for buddying with rb.

Also, I find it funny that Tywin posts about two scum being lurkers, yet he didn't even choose to comment about that with the people who wrote out as not being active.

He had a few gut reads from people who have posted like once each. Those reads are fabricated as fuck.

VOTE: Tywin

You want it, you got it. Prepare for the loudest 1v1 you've ever had.

correct me if I am wrong, but at this point this "1v1" is glorified omgus posturing. And seriously, booskins goes ape shit after this post. Just walls and walls of meaningless rambling about shit no one cares about.

tbh, I'm generally more levelheaded as scum.

and naturally any flailing would not be complete without self-meta.

I'm not flailing at all, so I don't get him saying I am. I feel I'm extremely clear and consistent with everything I've said.

unvote, vote: boonskiies

Scum game - do i post erratically at all? No? WOW!!!! SO SHOCKED!!! wonder which one this looks like.

shut the fuck about your goddamn meta.

@Michael - Remember how I said I wasn't freaking out in that last game. This is me freaking out. Haha. But I'm being pushed by scum. And I will always keep going as town. Sometimes I have to have a little freakout to get my thoughts in place.

Why are you being freaked out and who are you being push now as "scum"? (Note that I have to read the thread, but so I know what to look for). That said I haven't decided on anyone's alignment yet, thread is filling fast and I'll go through it thoroughly and catch some scum. Don't want to make some half assed reads right now which is why I only analyzed the votes, because I skimmed through the thread so I know at least a little bit what's going on.

let's sit on the fence and let other people figure out who should get lynched so I don't have to!

So I will vote choof or Tywin toDay.

let's just kill me and get it over with
I had a terrible entrance and replacing out is the weak way out, the slot's already fucked and anyone who thinks that they can salvage it is a fucking fool
I won't even claim at -1

god, when has being self-defeating tolerated. God, what the hell to make of this bullshit. Scum tactic to get sympathy or town being dumb. Just ask for a replacement and gtfo if you don't wanna play the game.

I generally bus as scum, but not usually in unnecessarily. I think town reading your scum partners end up being stronger if you can work well together.

and this is why meta is bullshit. If you know your meta you can always wifom the whole fucking thing. At worst it meaningless bullshit, at best it becomes a fucking out of game trust tell or whatever its called.

The RB wagon seemed to fizzle out fast. From my POV it appears the Boon verses Tywin fight helped disspell it. If thats the case than it is possible that either
Tywin or Boon is scum. I kind of skimmed through to be able to get tbrough all of the pages. I want to go back and confirm that

I agree with this assessment, although we need to keep in mind that RB was an rvs wagon, thus it was bound to get broken up once more legitimate reads were formed in any way.

Okay

This post starts off with CoolDoG going after Michael Lee

• ->He states rb is trying to scumhunt. That is bunk. Particularly at the time in the game he made this post.
  
  ->He also accuses ML of filler. You wanna know who has a lot more filer than ML? I'll give you a hint: It's coming from the same player that said explaining early town reads is dumb. In a post that CoolDoG acknowledges in his catch up.

The rest of this post is him going after boonskiies. He gives no reasoning that "going ape shit" is scum behavior (it's not), and then attacks boonskiies's self meta, which he's been doing as either alignment since forever.

This then follows with an unexplained voted on boonskiies. We have a grand total of zero reasons boonskiies is scum at this point. Which is followed by the same meta point that was bunk when he wrote it 6 lines before.

He follows up by picking ML out of the NUMEROUS players that aren't committing to reads and accusing him of fence sitting. To make things worse, he acknowledges one of those players (TFL) later in this post! No comment on the fact that they won't even vote!

More self-meta whining follows.

Spoiler:

And the crap postin' of Cooldog. Solid. Lol.

omgus nonesense.

Cooldog definitely skipped over a bunch, and saw me as a mislynch candidate before reading the thread. Just mad because I was loud, self meta, and anti self meta all at the same time. All of which is incredibly NAI.

yes, yes it is. WHy the hell would a town member go off on tirades off of one fucking vote.

correct me if I am wrong, but at this point this "1v1" is glorified omgus posturing. And seriously, booskins goes ape shit after this post. Just walls and walls of meaningless rambling about shit no one cares about.

yeah, you're wrong. I scum read him first. he OMGUS. And this is a town case on me, not a scum case. No reason to go off the walls as scum with Tywin. Who isn't even voting me now.

and this required you to post walls of useless repative shit that I had to sort through? seriously? ALso, don't give a fuck who he votes for, I vote for who I want.

Boon could just be lynchbait. As a player who is lynch baity as anything I kind of get that feeling and tone from him

I'm not even lynch bait this game. Only Cooldog and Tywin are pushing me. I'm being generally town read. I'm lynch bait in general, but I've only been lynched once in my past 10 games, haha.

if you are generally read as town then why are you so worried that two people who by your own admission think are crap posters or scum? does not add up!

Tywin scares me a bit,,,,,, if he is scum he possibly could run town off the cliff , if he is town he could help us win but the way he playing I worry he will accidently help send the town over the cliff without meaning to. I am not sure what to think of his play,
I am hoping that he is town and he just being a bit of an over aggressive / self absorbed town player. A player who thinks he is right even if he totally wrong,

Boon could just be lynchbait. As a player who is lynch baity as anything I kind of get that feeling and tone from him.

@ Mel
I have a record of not voting till I think a player is scum or likely scum. If you look at any game I played you will see this. Any players who played with me knows this. Is there any evidence that this is your normal MO.How do we know this is not something you made up.

TFL, who do you think is scum? Even if you won't vote for them. . . which, still, ugh for me.

Mela is town as hell. Tywin's there too. His new scape goat wagon.

listen to yourself, at first you said all my shit was nai, now it is town indicative.

This post starts with an omgus accusation. I have already explained why this is a cop-out from CoolDoG.

There is no reason to scum read an experienced player for flipping out over one vote. CoolDoG also conveniently ignores Boonskiies's refutations of TL's bases for argument. He does however acknowledge these refutations as existing by calling me lazy town for flipping my read when I saw them.

CoolDoG, why don't you care who TL is voting for? Do you not scumhunt by looking at votes? You'd probably be the only one.

Again, boonskiies has been more worried about TL's lies than his push. Why is CoolDoG ignoring this?

lynch all hypocrites!

You have been around long enough to see hypocritical posting from town. You should know how to read into motivations by now.

I could go after CoolDoG's next wall but there is enough here to see that CoolDoG isn't making genuine pushes. It makes no sense to complain about a 1v1, but then continue to pick at posts within that 1v1. That's just going to incite it again! Not only that, but he completely ignores anything TL has to say between the two. CoolDoG actually

has nothing to say about him at all

. This is a loud player that has been inciting a lot of attention. CoolDoG's distancing from them is just as telling.

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: CoolDoG

[Flubbernugget]

I saw it and it's nothing significant.

Are you going to handwave every single time someone shows you you're acting stupid or blatantly wrong?

[Flubbernugget]

I try to not immediately scum read people suspicious of me because of the obvious biases in play, but that's wearing off as Gamma continues to post

So right now, my scum list is

Gamma
TL
RB
CoolDoG

[Flubbernugget]

No I'm not give some fucking time.

You don't get time

You've already done the same bullshit to me

[Flubbernugget]

You ignore any kind of case I brought forward onto Tywin, didn't even acknowledge most of them, instantly pushed it as TvT without acknowledging that. Now, other people even, multiple, at least 4, are pushing Tywin as scummy, and you still refuse to acknowledge any of the things being pushed forward.

I've already stated that while he does seem inconsistent, he has clear thoughts.
Have you read the game I linked?

Clearly inconsistent thoughts should just equate to blatant scum

[Flubbernugget]

Hey boonskiies

I've done the quote thing before

It's not worth it

wanna start a cooldog wagon

[Flubbernugget]

I was supposed to be studying for a spanish final but i wrote that case instead

[Flubbernugget]

TL is and has been at two votes since my wagon formed

You're fucking lying just like he is!

[Flubbernugget]

If I get a bad grade on my spanish final I'm going to find you irl and poop on your head

[Flubbernugget]

Your fault for not having priorities

MAFIA IS THE CORRECT PRIORITY!!!

POOP ON YOUR HEAD

[Flubbernugget]

First off, you won't give me room to explain myself. You keep rushing me.
Secondly, the attempts to scumread people based simply on what their reads are (you and TL both Town, the flubber wagon) speaks of not trying to scumhunt and just throwing accusations.
Third, around the time Flubber reached L-2, the Tywin wagon gathered traction again. Coincidence? I THINK NOT!

what do you mean I'm rushing you? I'm not even asking you really to make the case. Just do it.

What do you mean the Tywin wagon gathered traction? It's been at 2 the entire time. It went down, and still is lower than it ever has been since rb went off.

Let me rephrase: people are pushing Tywin again when the push had cooled off before.

Tywin has been in perpetual pushing

People have just had other priorities

[Flubbernugget]

Holy shit I want to be 4th on TL's wagon so bad

[Flubbernugget]

I'M GONNA DO IT

VOTE: Tywin Lannister

SCUM READ ME AGAIN BITCH

AND FUCK YOU TOO GAMMA

[Flubbernugget]

LOL Tywin is officially Flubber's counterwagon
You made me correct on my initial statement retroactively! Fun

YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU FUCKING LIED BUDDY HOW DOES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL

[Flubbernugget]

LOL Tywin is officially Flubber's counterwagon
You made me correct on my initial statement retroactively! Fun

YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU FUCKING LIED BUDDY HOW DOES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL

I didn't lie I got my point across wrong
But even then you made me not-a-liar so thanks

There was no counterwagon

You didn't predict a counterwagon

You said nothing that said you suggested one was imminent

YOU.

FUCKING.

LIED.

[Flubbernugget]

Hm
Flubber/Boon/Backhand scumteam?

HOLY FUCKING SHIT DO YOU GUYS SEE THIS

[Flubbernugget]

I don't know where you think there's been a drop in his push level but I'd be happy to take a look

[Flubbernugget]

HE SAID MAFIA VOLTRON

LMAOOOOOOOO

[Flubbernugget]

YOU CAN'T STOP THE MAFIA VOLTRON GAMMA

[Flubbernugget]

You seriously think they are both scum together rb?

He doesn't

He's still scum so his reads don't have to make sense

[Flubbernugget]

You seriously think they are both scum together rb?

He doesn't

He's still scum so his reads don't have to make sense

Why is rb scum

Well most recently because he thinks TL and I make sense as scum together

So I answered your question in the post you quoted

[Flubbernugget]

I don't know where you think there's been a drop in his push level but I'd be happy to take a look

How much time do I have to give you for you to prove you're not lying, Gamma?

[Flubbernugget]

You seriously think they are both scum together rb?

I thjnk we should kill both

If you're shooting for a policy lynch be direct about it

[Flubbernugget]

If we kill tywin its flubber tomorrow and vice versa

I don't want to believe that this is you as scum with this post, haha...

I'm not taking up tywin on this "kill me then boon" thing because if he's scum you're town and if he's town he's confbiased and over-emotional and i therefore don't trust his gambit

But you'll do "kill me then flub"??

[Flubbernugget]

I disagree. There is no reason for a town player to automatically make the jump of X person attacks me, thus X person is scum.

You proceed to omgus vote me right after saying this

please get your thoughts in line

[Flubbernugget]

@flubber, I do not care who tyl votes in the context of my vote on booskiies. The point that was being made was, "why are you voting differently than the guy who started the scum read on boo", which is a degenerate argument. I also don't buy booskiies refutations, just because he made them does not mean that I have to buy them.

Except if you go back in thread you can see they're true

And if you don't want to buy them, I've pointed out several places that TL has a pattern of lying, at which point you should want to buy them

[Flubbernugget]

and you see how the degenerate omgus goes here flubber, boon is setting up lynches, calling power role shots and the like, fuck that shit, vote for him.

Setting up lynches is saying "lynch this person so that everyone lynches that person"

It's different from pre-flipped associatives.

I find it hard to believe you can't tell the difference

[Flubbernugget]

this is just nonsense. He has two partners pegged from his last posts and then votes for the other guy. This makes literally zero sense. If the association tell was actually there then he would vote for one of us to see the flip. Now, if gamma flips town, he can always come back and say, "well, hurr, durr, I didn't say it was a strong association between the three, so let's lynch CD or Tywin now!!!" I hope you are not blind to this town, but you see how he has set-up an easy push for tomorrow regardless of flip.

Gamma is making baseless accusations in the form of loaded questions and generating alternative facts on the fly.

I have highlighted this. Several times in all caps. You have ignored it.

It's okay to want to wagon him

[Flubbernugget]

I could see flubber/boon, but you have to keep in mind that flubber will vote for any wagon that isn't his at this point. And boon has had a strong scum read on twly for a long time, thus this could be coincedence.

I've had the same scum read as boon for only slightly less time

[Flubbernugget]

CoolDoG, what do you think of Gamma's new scumteam?

[Flubbernugget]

Town makes pre-flipped associatives these days

You know this

[Flubbernugget]

Hm
Flubber/Boon/Backhand scumteam?

I already addressed this. Flubber and Boon I could see. Backhand I'm less crazy about, but I do not have a town read on him, I'd throw him in my null box.

Why are you ignoring the context in which he conjured that team up?

[Flubbernugget]

Town makes pre-flipped associatives these days

You know this

and they are stupid for doing it and deserve to be lynched so that they don't fuck up the rest of the game???

You're admitting you're okay with lynching someone that is probably town because they're playing poorly

There's a word for that...it's on the tip of my tounge...

And also you're cherry picking this poor play out of two players unwilling to vote along with a player that self voted, and a slew of other bad play that just doesn't seem to fit your agenda doesn’t it

like, I don't understand how you are going to defend a player who is literally trying to lead the town, call power role shots, and set-up lynches in advance. Does this not look fishy to you in any way?

Leading the town isn't scummy

I don't think he's said "doc this, vig this, etc." so I don't know where call power role shots has come from, but people call players vigbait all the time or say "x player can be handled with investigatives" so I don't know what the problem is

Again, pre-flipped associatives and setting up lynches are two different things. Stop acting like they aren't

[Flubbernugget]

Hm
Flubber/Boon/Backhand scumteam?

I already addressed this. Flubber and Boon I could see. Backhand I'm less crazy about, but I do not have a town read on him, I'd throw him in my null box.

Why are you ignoring the context in which he conjured that team up?

he conjured it out of his ass dude. Both me and twyl got on that team from omgus. DUH. I have said this for a while. The third guy is added in as an easy, uncontroversial, third pick which might as well as be random for his purposes. The context explicitly is: he ain't gonna catch shit for putting this guy on the list. Again, he picked the weakest of his scum team to push and left only a hint at association which could be used tomorrow. All of this on d1 where he supposedly has no information, what the fuck? Why would he not vote me or twyl? That's the question that you need to answer.

I know why his play makes no sense

I already said why

[Flubbernugget]

I try to not immediately scum read people suspicious of me because of the obvious biases in play, but that's wearing off as Gamma continues to post

So right now, my scum list is

Gamma
TL
RB
CoolDoG

[Flubbernugget]

rb. If gamma flips town, then he still has us two to push. If gamma flips scum, he still has us two to push. The flip here is irrelevant, he has d2 lynch that he can unconditionally push that no one will give him shit over. Why would he push the weaker read over the stronger reads other than for this reason, especially on d1 where reads are not that good yet? Naturally, when the twyl counter-wagon pops up he is going to vote on that, because to not be on a WAGON of one of his strong reads would be very scummy, thus he has to.

You're scum reading me for being on a wagon of one of my strong reads

[Flubbernugget]

Okay buddy

I know you think TL is a counterwagon

What other wagons are bullshit? Gamma?

[Flubbernugget]

rb. If gamma flips town, then he still has us two to push. If gamma flips scum, he still has us two to push. The flip here is irrelevant, he has d2 lynch that he can unconditionally push that no one will give him shit over. Why would he push the weaker read over the stronger reads other than for this reason, especially on d1 where reads are not that good yet? Naturally, when the twyl counter-wagon pops up he is going to vote on that, because to not be on a WAGON of one of his strong reads would be very scummy, thus he has to.

You're scum reading me for being on a wagon of one of my strong reads

what, no? You? This was about boonskiis.

1) I thought this was about Gamma

2) My point still holds

[Flubbernugget]

You are scum reading me for wagoning someone I've been calling scum or at least half the game, and you are now saying that wagoning a strong read isn't logical town play, but actually a scumtell

This is also bunk

[Flubbernugget]

put simply, I don't care if a town player in theory could make a suboptimal play. If you do something scummy, then I want to lynch you. Boon has done said scummy bullshit, I don't care if it is the "current meta" or whatever the fuck.

TL IS A COUNTER WAGON. WHAT THE FUCK ELSE IS IT?

bad play isn't scummy

also I'm more concerned that you're saying it's illegitimate because it is a counterwagon

[Flubbernugget]

and we have a counter wagon boys.

vote: flubber
This is a better lynch than tywin

Does this not indicate you are voting me for being on a counterwagon?

[Flubbernugget]

If bad play isn't scummy how do you find scum

If bad play is always scummy why don't we policy lynch

[Flubbernugget]

Yo flubs
You're at l-1

Meanwhile, cooldog is voting me for being on a counterwagon and then saying that's NAI, after saying NAI is a useless thing to say

[Flubbernugget]

Also, his case is that "he doesn't like my posting"

And that's all it is apparently, because everything else I call out he says he wasn't actually scumreading me for

[Flubbernugget]

If bad play isn't scummy how do you find scum

If bad play is always scummy why don't we policy lynch

Cooldog's point is a good one tho. Regardless of 'meta' there's shit that's scummy and townie that doesn't necesarily change over time

Pre-flips ain't it

[Flubbernugget]

It's been pointed out soooooo many times that he lies but you're just going to say "I don't buy it"

[Flubbernugget]

Also, his case is that "he doesn't like my posting"

And that's all it is apparently, because everything else I call out he says he wasn't actually scumreading me for

Also that we have a counterwagon, even though there has been MASSIVE resistance for a long time to getting a TL wagon even going

Also, THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PLAYING BADLY AND SPEWING LIES ALL OVER THE THREAD

[Flubbernugget]

flub, to make it simple for you:
Given two options:
you and Twly

Twly wagon pops up.
Don't like twly wagon
which option should I choose? The option I activly dislike? no, duh, you. Stop trying to get out of it. If you guys voted for boon, for example, I would hop off your wagon for the better option.

Except I keep pointing out that the way you danced around TL was bad, and the reasons you think TL is a bad wagon are also bad

[Flubbernugget]

according to the doctrine of bad play = nai, then there is no conceptual difference.

either lies are scummy and deserve a lynch or they don't. Pick one of these two.

Oh my if things where this simple would it really be worth playing mafia

[Flubbernugget]

You know why TL is posting all that theory right?

It's so he can INTENTIONALLY hide his lies

[Flubbernugget]

I just want to note the hypocrisy in cooldog's posting for scum reading me when now he's doing the same thing. Yeah, flubber's gonna flip town.

alright, fucking nice call bro, don't really give a shit.

THIS IS COMING FROM THE PLAYER THAT SAID LYNCH ALL HYPOCRITES LMAO

[Flubbernugget]

yeah, but

you have previously reduced it to such.

If you say bad play is never grounds to lynch, then you have to bite the bullet that all bad play isn't worth a lynch. The reason lal is no longer a thing is because for starters people don't have balls anymore, and secondly because town tell "lies" all the time. Thus, town "play bad" when they lie. You already said that this is not worthy of a lynch, thus your Twly vote is pointless. You can back up and say that bad play is worth a lynch and then we would agree.

Yes, you're taking one thing I said and warping it into "flubber only thinks in absolutes"

Only scum play games of absolutes

[Flubbernugget]

You know why TL is posting all that theory right?

It's so he can INTENTIONALLY hide his lies

You also conveniently ignored this, CooLDoG

[Flubbernugget]

I just want to note the hypocrisy in cooldog's posting for scum reading me when now he's doing the same thing. Yeah, flubber's gonna flip town.

Sorry if this is stupid, but can you sum up your case on Flubber and Cooldog?

What mine isn't good enough??

[Flubbernugget]

I did implicitly

[Flubbernugget]

I just want to note the hypocrisy in cooldog's posting for scum reading me when now he's doing the same thing. Yeah, flubber's gonna flip town.

Sorry if this is stupid, but can you sum up your case on Flubber and Cooldog?

What mine isn't good enough??

Dude scumreads you of course it's not good because it's you

Could have changed

He never actually responded to my case against his

[Flubbernugget]

put simply, I don't care if a town player in theory could make a suboptimal play. If you do something scummy, then I want to lynch you. Boon has done said scummy bullshit, I don't care if it is the "current meta" or whatever the fuck.

TL IS A COUNTER WAGON. WHAT THE FUCK ELSE IS IT?

bad play isn't scummy

also I'm more concerned that you're saying it's illegitimate because it is a counterwagon

yeah, but

you have previously reduced it to such.

If you say bad play is never grounds to lynch, then you have to bite the bullet that all bad play isn't worth a lynch. The reason lal is no longer a thing is because for starters people don't have balls anymore, and secondly because town tell "lies" all the time. Thus, town "play bad" when they lie. You already said that this is not worthy of a lynch, thus your Twly vote is pointless. You can back up and say that bad play is worth a lynch and then we would agree.

Yes, you're taking one thing I said and warping it into "flubber only thinks in absolutes"

Only scum play games of absolutes

Ergo, you are scum ^.^

[Flubbernugget]

Dude you even said you were about to respond to it lmao

[Flubbernugget]

Hey,

hey cooldog

Only scum play games of absolutes

[Flubbernugget]

Hey,

hey cooldog

Only scum play games of absolutes

[Flubbernugget]

TL has lied in MULTIPLE PLACES.

It is the CLUSTER of lies that makes him scummy

Not just one thing

[Flubbernugget]

I didn't write that shit flub

No but you're playing games of absolutes

[Flubbernugget]

bad play isn't scummy

I posted in the absolute and then clarified

You took it, completely ignored those clarifications, and are now trying to say I am scum for it

So yes, you are intentionally missing the forest for the trees

[Flubbernugget]

I'M GONNA DO IT

VOTE: Tywin Lannister

SCUM READ ME AGAIN BITCH

AND FUCK YOU TOO GAMMA

The mod contacted me about this post with a warning against personal attacks.

He is right, and I apologize to both TL and Gamma for doing such.

[Flubbernugget]

why

[Flubbernugget]

I'm okay with choof catching up before intent

[Flubbernugget]

Up to page 61

Couple things:

Role Cop has more scum utility than town and is typically a scum role

There's no cc because even assuming TL is town, role cop isn't a very strong town role making another low utility likely (especially with no knowledge of the scum power)

Saying "you guys are dumb for lynching a cop claim" when the hard claim is ROLE cop is extremely disingenuous

[Flubbernugget]

I don't think low utility is the same as more likely (I think that's what you're implying) but more likely also means safer fake claim

[Flubbernugget]

I don't think investigatives are supposed to make it to mylo / lylo

Also how is he even getting there when by you're own admission he should be getting might killed?

[Flubbernugget]

Also you're stuck on page 20 if you still think I'm an easy wagon

[Flubbernugget]

dude we're discussing whether or not we lynch him

I bring up arguments as to how we could possibly find out his alignment at MYLO/LYLO

your argument is literally that he will get nightkilled

LOL

let him be nightkilled, that way we dont mislynch them...... am I reading that post right?? jfc

You said nothing about how to determine his alignment. Just that he has a (laughable) potential for clears

You said scum would probably night kill him

[Flubbernugget]

you fail to see if hes town he will get nightkilled

You're saying this is my argument but it literally came out of your mouth

[Flubbernugget]

Okay. How are Cop and role cop so different? I can connect their ideas with one in-between role.

Get lynched

[Flubbernugget]

unvote

vote Boonskiies

claim your role

This is gross

[Flubbernugget]

you fail to see if hes town he will get nightkilled

You're saying this is my argument but it literally came out of your mouth

This looks worse now that I've caught up

ML is pushing the narrative that TL can stop scum from fake claiming yet has also shown he doesn't think TL will be alive long enough to do this

[Flubbernugget]

The thing about TL is that to me, his actions switching to flubber seemed a little too "anybody but me" and he did contradict himself doing so. BUT, that's compatible with a power role as well. Of course, he might know that and be lying, but I suspect we'll have opportunities to verify the claim.

Once we learn flub's and tl's alignment, whether its by death or otherwise, I think we can break the game wide open.

Hey, CooLDoG,

THIS is what setting lynches up looks like

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There was NEVER a case on me btw. Only sheep and bad town would still tunnel without a single thing they can call scummy.

This is another lie

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They both say cop, sure, but they are completely different roles.

Role Cop = Cop is like saying sea lion = lion

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Like, is there anyone in this game who's ever been so sure of a D1 lynch before? Ever?

Yes

It's a consequence of 2wk deadlines

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There are no weak roles in matrix 6

If you're going to discredit, please actually try

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I don't see how you're not seeing that there are so many ways to verify his claim during the night.

"x is vanilla" isn't foolproof but still fairly low risk

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There are no weak roles in matrix 6

If you're going to discredit, please actually try

He's answering what takes presedence lol

Over defensive much?

Matrix 6 says nothing about weak modifiers unless it uses nar, at which point the argument is moot

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There are no weak roles in matrix 6

If you're going to discredit, please actually try

Weak wasn't part of the discuss so back off.

Well then what you're discussing is pointless

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I don't see how you're not seeing that there are so many ways to verify his claim during the night.

"x is vanilla" isn't foolproof but still fairly low risk

But

Loud

role cop. So either he counts on a buddy to cover for him (high risk) or he can't do that. Of course yes, the role doesn't mean that he's town.

% wise, to kill a claimed role D1? I'd have to be 80-90 percent. I'm probably 50-50 right now.

I'd be willing to move off of flub, but oh man if he's scum is that telling. I feel like the *upside* of the flub lynch is very high.

No, he is going to fucking pull the roleblocking card. He already basically stated he was "going to get roleblocked tonight". That's what started all of this god damn stuff. Do you even read this thred?

To be fair I forgot about the loud part.

Still leads me to believe he is scum role cop

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Gamma I'm not entertaining your stupid questions anymore

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Idk if scum have a rokeblocker or not, but if not, it certainly explains why they want me lynched asap even if that means one or more of them are outted by pushing it to completion. Without a roleblocker, scum are screwed.

Are you really trying to argue scum would be willing to trade you for one of their own

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Ftr choof is closer to am actual cop than TL

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Mastina just had a mafia loud fruit vendor in their last game

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You do realize there's another player in this game that is guaranteed clears right

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Like I understand the people that wanna lynch me because I passed them off,

This is another lie

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cop claim

also a lie

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and then take my buddies down with me by having only a few players defend me

you...know who your buddies are???

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Fair point-flub reads more like he doesn't understand the idea of presenting hypothetical scenarios, and i read him as less genuine anyway.

Is this code for "it's okay to chain lynches"

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VOTE: CooLDoG

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I suggested superior strategies multiple times and scumteam just hardpushed and kept ignoring evidence, flubber kasumeat boonskiies all need to die

You argued that TL had utility near endgame and then argued he was going to get nightkilled

Having your cake and eating it isn't a superior strategy

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Tywin lied the entire fucking duration of Day 1, and look what happened. Amazing.

I stand by my word.

/vote Flubb

Your thoughts have been parallel with mine since around your second catchup in game.

Why am I scum?

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Tywin lied the entire fucking duration of Day 1, and look what happened. Amazing.

I stand by my word.

/vote Flubb

Your thoughts have been parallel with mine since around your second catchup in game.

Why am I scum?

What are your current reads on Boonskiies, Kasumeat and myself?

Town

Though your thoughts on TL irk me

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If you gonna read LIE into someone shortening "rolecop" into cop, sometimes you'll be wrong.

This is not what happened

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This is all I need to know. I think all these guys are scum but I wanted to know if he would push them or not. Town would ever town all of (Flubber, myself, boon, kasumeat) from my PoV. Note how I get townread (trying to get me to townread him), yet "my thoughts irk him" (to discredit my play + not push me towards obv town status, hopes other people will push me which results into 1 v 1.

unvote
vote Flubbernugget

Hell this guy doesn't even try to read one of "Boon, Kasum" as scum, really they could all 3 be scum by now.

Woah

Slow down

1) How does town reading you get you to town read me?
2) How does one issue with your play discredit everything you've done? I've already pointed out that this isn't scummy with my push on CooLDoG
3) Why isn't CooLDoG scum?
4) Why do you think you could end up being obvtown? There were a lot of pushes on you yesterday.

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I provided superior ways to deal with him. I suggested leaving him alive so scum could waste roleblock/nightkills. There were plenty of good lynch targets (you flubber and boon). All evidence was ignored. All solutions were ignored.

You want to know why your stance on TL irks me?

It's not because I want you to town read me.

It's because this is at least the third time I'm bringing this up (and the third time you are going to ignore me)

Why did you tell me TL was going to get NK'd after saying he was going to clear a bunch of people?

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Have you ever thought that you would be town because I still have three more pertinent scum reads?

Can you explain to me why Gamma and RB are town?

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Flubber had the worst reasons of anyone to get on my wagon

On top of that, he was basically only pushing tywin for a while iirc, the easiest and most immediate counterwagon, and only did it when it became apparent i would not be an easy lynch despite my awkward entrance. Survival when you're about to be lynched is NAI, but the fact he hasn't given us other things to sort the game and JUST taken the most survivalistic route possible (as opposed to having real scumreads so if he likely dies, we might find a scum the rest didn't think of - that's what town who know how to town do, and flubber is not an idiot, he knows how to town)

Well my case was that you're a lurkfuck and now it's that you were hopping between wagons because it really didn't matter which one of us got lynched

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I'm willing to drop a lynch on Fuzzy or Flubber. Sorry Boon, I just don't see how Flubber can be town with TL's lynch yesterday

You literally just said role cop is negative utility

Please further explain how TL's lynch makes me scum in light of this

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Whymafia, I am not blaming people for scumreading someone who played scummy, but if someone CONSISTENTLY scumreads townies and defends scummy - possible teammates, then it's suspicious

Correct.

I have no idea why he hard town reads Flubber

But would he be that obvious? Or is he setting up a mislynch in that boon is scum and Flubber is town
Just something to think about

If Flubber is town, then why did scum hardpush the Tywin lynch?

I think they hardpushed the cop lynch through (+EV play), then gambled on a few things:

- blame him for being scummy and lying
- saying role cop isn't a cop
- saying half the scum was on the vote (8 people on the vote right... so 6 townies 2 scum... that's pretty good odds for them, it favors scum in 3:1 to not get outed)
- levelling people who wouldn't expect scum to be this aggressively

I expect scumBoon to be this aggressively, because he's aggro-town, and he wants to mirror his townplaystyle.

Flubber made a lot of scummy posts as well, indepedently of Boon. Mainly him being on both the rb and the Tywin lynch, and in general playing very scummy, pushing a lot of townies.

There is a huge difference between your scum reads pushing a wagon and scum pushing the wagon.

There is a huge difference between pushing townies and pushing town reads.

Too many of your reads are sitting on top of reads you had early game, and nobody has good reads early game. I don't understand why you think this is an acceptable way to scum hunt

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Role Cop as town is a negative utility imo. They could do more damage than good

Michael Lee

What do you think about this post?

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He pushed at me even though I was confirmed town in the last game I was with him.

Yeah this is why I begrudgingly town read him

Very frustrating that his pushes are bad, but consistent

Confbais isn't scum

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If scum has a strongman I would expect more power than what we've seen so far but I get your point

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Flubber had the worst reasons of anyone to get on my wagon

On top of that, he was basically only pushing tywin for a while iirc, the easiest and most immediate counterwagon, and only did it when it became apparent i would not be an easy lynch despite my awkward entrance. Survival when you're about to be lynched is NAI, but the fact he hasn't given us other things to sort the game and JUST taken the most survivalistic route possible (as opposed to having real scumreads so if he likely dies, we might find a scum the rest didn't think of - that's what town who know how to town do, and flubber is not an idiot, he knows how to town)

Well my case was that you're a lurkfuck and now it's that you were hopping between wagons because it really didn't matter which one of us got lynched

When have I ever been a "lurkfuck"?

I don't think I've even been close to a prod ever in this game

Like wut

Coming in, saying" this is scum prod dodging till they're dead" rinse and repeat is active lurking

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Prod dodging until flubber is dead.

Well fuck me in the ass and call it a cream donut

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VOTE: Rb