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Not to be That Bitch™ but im fairly sure that u can only vote one person at a time....
pedit: ok i just deleted this rant i had about statistics and independent probabilities but it's good to know you were joking here \_O_/
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do you think theyre deliberately trying to keep attention away from scumhunting?In post 28, Firaja wrote:Am i the only one that thinks this "statistics" talk is a little distracting/pointless?
I get it's a joke but it rubs me the wrong way for some reason...
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Trans, what do you have to say?
I mean yeah it's irrelevant and anything irrelevant that gets focused on always gets too much attention, so...Firaja wrote:It seems a little weird to me is all, because it is early on it probably is nothing but i feel like a fair bit of focus was put on it when it needn't have.
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too late, everyone else just voted for you so you're lynched
were you town?
VOTE: FiragaFiraja wrote:Katyusha wrote:Trans, what do you have to say?
I mean yeah it's irrelevant and anything irrelevant that gets focused on always gets too much attention, so...Firaja wrote:It seems a little weird to me is all, because it is early on it probably is nothing but i feel like a fair bit of focus was put on it when it needn't have.
out of the two of them which one is pinging you more? if at all?
If anyhing i'd say cytheflyguy looks a little worse from it simply because his couple of comments on it is what made it into more of a thing and started the conversation on it. But as i said before because it's early on it is probably nothing, just something I'm keeping in mind for now.
no?
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I'm not really making the connection of how turning the discussion from "haha let's ql trans for memes hes statistically more likely to be scum" to "how do I read trans?" is a scummy diversion of attention. town wants to be able to read the rest of the table to ultimately find scumIn post 42, Firaja wrote:Right, however using something out of seemingly nothing is a little sketchy to me. Trying to take something seemingly irrelevant and potwbtially turn it into something else is what is runbing me the wrong way here as it may be a potential to cause misdirection.
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that might be my seductive auraIn post 49, Zachstralkita wrote:Your posts are giving me this vibe
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trans didnt post yet though and once he did cy said he wanted to "see what he has to say"In post 56, Keychain wrote:
Aw that's all right, I'll do it for you.Zachstralkita wrote:tentative scumread on UC Voyager
If it weren't for cys first post I'd be voting there tho tbh
VOTE: cytheflyguy
Overly focused on reading someone by meta instead of sorting the players actually present.
@UCV 15: love it
that gives me the entirely opposite impression :/ - or i guess one that leads me to think he's just going to use whatever means are best available to him
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whoops i missed this while phoneshitpostingIn post 67, Jodaxq wrote:
I agree with this.In post 60, Keychain wrote:Katyusha: what I mean is it's like stalling. Going for the player who hasn't yet confirmed and requesting meta - especially considering that the amount that somebody rolls scum is not alignment indicative at all unless I misunderstand completely - then sitting back and waiting for this one player instead of looking into any of the others available.
I don't like it. It feels like busywork.
i mean im not defending it as good play - i just think silly busy work at this stage of the game isnt AI for someone out of practice and like cy from what i can gather from his posts. maybe a different player you could argue but it doesnt seem out of place to me
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68 is actually talking to you lmao sorry
if my firaja vote was just for disagreeing with him i'd also be scumreading you here - theres more to it but i want people to do more before i push a full case
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cy this might help
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In post 118, Transcend wrote:i'm starting to really think you might be....-
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ok i guess this is what i wanted to get atIn post 42, Firaja wrote:Right, however using something out of seemingly nothing is a little sketchy to me. Trying to take something seemingly irrelevant and potwbtially turn it into something else is what is runbing me the wrong way here as it may be a potential to cause misdirection.
Again this is all a bit of a reach as it is a bit early, but i do see your point as well of cy trying to find substance and add to the discussion.
you think this is newbscummy or just newb?
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Did you mean:
although i disagree where the fuck is DUNN
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how is firaja townieIn post 171, Transcend wrote:
Town being lynched by town town and scumIn post 153, KidAmn wrote:Firaja (3): Schadd, Katyusha, cytheflyguy
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wait whaaaaaaaaaaaat??In post 173, Transcend wrote:Dunn isn't a hyper poster anymore-
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to fit with the communist theme since this account lacks a distinct aestheticIn post 177, Zachstralkita wrote:Why is mariaR wearing a ushanka
i was hoping for an expansion here!Transcend wrote:Their posts
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give me a moment im trying to sink my teeth into this game rn
the joda push is not really that convincing though so far (like page 11ish??). i get that shes stiff but it seems more like a personality thing, there's some sparkles of townie thought process here and there with her ISO
i think havo saw the same stuff as me so thats
im still sticking to my guns on firaja though - im not really sure why people are giving him a pass when his posts seem to be reeking with noncommittallyness that seems really scummy
i could follow the UC Voyager push though
townie people: zach, havo, trans, wavemode
dont want to lynch but would like more/to look over again: keychain, joda, cy, schadd
am ok lynching right now: dunn, firaja, UC, EE
thoughts still feel really ephemeral though but that tends to happen when i have a lot of pages to catch up on lmao - hopefully this will be less vague when i do a deeper read here-
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so does your firaja townreadIn post 447, Transcend wrote:Your lynch pool sucks
no but fr besides joda who should be in that list then...?-
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ugh theres a lot of useless slots and i'm definitely one of them
besides practically every stance of firajas being a wafflefuck in a scummy way i dont know how to add to zach's read because im basically nodding along with every thing he's saying
joda wagon is still garbage, UC is just useless and could very possibly be scum but Firaja still seems like a more productive lynch in that he has content that's actually scummy
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i think her UC voyager push is good and her reaction to trans's shitposting is somewhat townieIn post 470, schadd_ wrote:townlean from whence!
In post 328, Jodaxq wrote:I continue to be scum pinged by UC Voyager.
Transcend still seems town to me. His read on me is bad, but I've seen a couple of others with a similar enigmatic play style and they were all town. Plus, his posts have an organic feel overall.
I'm not really sure what schadd is doing at all.
^ this especially
im missing the words for it but it feels like a genuine read on trans
i think if her push on UC was a scumpush motivated by him being LHF her attitude towards trans would be less forgiving-
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In post 472, Zachstralkita wrote:whomst'veWHOMST'VE'LA'NT'A'LL-
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He seemed hesitant to commit to any stance or point any hard fingers at anyone. That wishy washiness i feel usually comes from new scum who don't really want to stand out but want to at least seem like they're contributing. I tried poking him with my last question to see if I can get him to give a stance on something besides the cy/UC interactions he was focusing on for most of the game.In post 560, northsidegal wrote:woah, i was just reviewing a bit more and this jumps out to me a lot. katayusha, can you explain your scumread on firaja? where does it come from?
i think i'll have a lot more to say after you answer.
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I think what you're picking up on is that it was partly a bluff - I did disagree with their stance and kind of felt it was in a scummy way but it's normally the kind of read I'd hold back on early game. I figured though pushing something to move the game along would help in some form.In post 576, Srceenplay wrote:With this added in it just seems like they had an assumption bout a player and wanted to try to take advantage of it(them being new).
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trying to understand your transition in reads here - is the strength of your townread of firaja's opening post (which i really don't think had a townie tone but ok...) enough to counteract the scumminess of that post? your iso makes it kind of unclearIn post 636, Espeonage wrote:Dude you were doing so well and then this. Bloody hell. Selective tells that don't apply to others is real bad. Like real bad.-
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the content itself is genuine but the tone is particularly awful for schadd imoIn post 651, Srceenplay wrote:Is this believable to people? ^ ^ last two-
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Very Confidently Town
- extremely genuine engagement, i still dont get wtf she was a wagon and will look here next postJodaxq
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- mostly a meta soul read, read on me is good albeit offSrceenplay
- claim is townwavemode
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- general mind meld but i havent been able to bait out the tell i have on him and when i try to read him wo it i generally fuck up :/Zachstralkita
- cy was townie, dont like espeo as much and need more clarityEspeonage
- Lack of effort feels like his town lack of effort but bad read history (it's easier for me to pick up on obvscum!transcend than goodscum!transcend or town!transcend so i'm still a little hesitant to fully townread here without flips)Transcend
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mostly posting so i can remember where my thoughts are before my reread
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forgot to comment on this, the game should just keep going at its current pace - i think the current replacements will keep up the pace and i at least trust dunn to make a better effort to get involved.In post 648, KidAmn wrote:Depending On The Length Of Time Required To Find A Replacement, And Given The Proportion Of Players Replacing In, A Short Deadline Extension Will Be Considered. Player Input Is Welcomed: I Need Something Funny To Print On This Next Lot Of Custom Toilet Roll.-
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If I haven't brought it up these were some decent posts from Joda's ISO around that time:
This is a strong town observation - someone who's going to be prodding everyone and trying to sort their alignments are going to notice things like timestamps and make the analysis to follow through with an alignment readIn post 280, Jodaxq wrote:
You don't have to be a hyper poster to be active. You've been active enough to know what's going on. You responded quickly to the "is everyone an alt?" question even though you hadn't made an appearance since your opening distraction. You've been asking about some of the meme posting, and when people have called out your name you've responded rather quickly.In post 278, UC Voyager wrote: i havn't posted in a while!
Just to be clear, none of these things are scummy in themselves, but they show that UCV is active and following along in this game. Since he is active and choosing to not scum hunt, I have my vote on him.
The trans read specifically hits at the right spot. there's a self awareness i dont know how else to articulate about it that feels like she's fighting against an urge to scumread him over her dislike of his play, but recognizing it's NAI.In post 328, Jodaxq wrote:I continue to be scum pinged by UC Voyager.
Transcend still seems town to me. His read on me is bad, but I've seen a couple of others with a similar enigmatic play style and they were all town. Plus, his posts have an organic feel overall.
I'm not really sure what schadd is doing at all.
also my initial reaction to the fake dayvig (which are like the first joda posts i saw chronologically) was town. i thought the sassiness in "my thoughts are in the thread" is - in a good way - out of character for her. such a shift in persona implies that she was genuinely annoyed by the situation
just in general tho i tend to hard defend townreads so i dont really see why it's out of the ordinary. if someone's towniness is not shining through to everyone then someone might have to step in and show that alternative view. town is a team after all!
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First of all the current wagons are absolutely disgusting and i support none of the top wagons atpIn post 646, KidAmn wrote:Srceenplay (3): Jodaxq, Espeonage, Everyone Else
Espeonage (3): Transcend, Srceenplay, Keychain
Transcend (2): wavemode, Zachstralkita
Everyone Else (1): Havo
northsidegal (1): Katyusha
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Not Voting (2): Dunnstral, northsidegal
I'll cave to Everyone Else to not get Espeo/Trans/Srceen lynched but that slot is better off vigged because I can't see scum finding it worth defending but that changes the instant i get off my ass and post a firaja case if this doesnt lead to a new scumread
so it's important to note that everyone's voting here and only EE's vote is RVS - havent looked at mod iso while responding to srceen so im not sure if this is correct but i think this is the only time everyone is voting.In post 450, KidAmn wrote:Jodaxq (5): Transcend, Dunnstral, Keychain, UC Voyager, Schadd (L-2)
UC Voyager (4): Firaja, Jodaxq, cytheflyguy, wavemode (L-3)
Firaja (2): Katyusha, Zachstralkita
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the UC wagon has decent composition as it is (Joda, cy, wave being decently strong townreads), so while my gut instinct is to say that nsg has a decent chance of being scum as a result that's obviously not always the case. {Zach, EE} are the only off-major-wagon slots that are worth looking into for scumreads though
the joda wagon is a lot weaker in towniness; trans key and uc are OK but i can absolutely see the first two as scum here. schadd and dunn are both bad slots though
the impression i get from this votecount as a whole (esp knowing that i'm town and havo being obvtown) is that scum gave the joda wagon its momentum. the UC wagon staying put for most of the game and the people committing to it being townie makes me think that scum are moving their votes and keeping up with the momentum while town is mostly sticking to their guns in this gamestate. i realize this logic probably doesnt make sense now that i'm writing it but i definitely want this vc revisited once zach, EE, nsg, or I flip.
i already asked dunn about his vote so i need more from schadd here
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nope it was espeo lol
where are you getting the scum ego from?In post 629, Espeonage wrote:
This is bad posting. And exudes scum ego.In post 99, Katyusha wrote:Ah, OK
I'm not really happy with the cy push in general since firaja supports it (besides me townreading cy)
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schadd can i get like a readlist from you because your trajectory feels all over the place to me from a quick iso
VOTE: schadd
i'll give nsg a chance to engage and do contenty things that arent walls since i still cant stomach this game's walls fsr (probably bc im not that into this game sorry) - schadd's voting history is pretty crappy though and im not getting much thought process here
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