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Mulch · Post Post #192 (isolation #0) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:35 pm

Oh what's up guys

I'm here to shitpost and have fun

Mulch · Post Post #193 (isolation #1) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:36 pm

In post 186, Apple Jack wrote:mod I can play with this player anymore. Please replace one of us

In this situation

@mod

you almost always replace derpy and not monkey.

Mulch · Post Post #194 (isolation #2) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:36 pm

I see Derpy is tunneling a villager per usual

Mulch · Post Post #195 (isolation #3) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:37 pm

In post 11, Apple Jack wrote:
In post 9, Sky_Paladin wrote:VOTE: Derpy Hooves no random vote obvious signs of guilt. Also hello!
That’s the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

lmao

Mulch · Post Post #196 (isolation #4) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:41 pm

In post 36, Jodaxq wrote:VOTE: TwoInAMillion

VOTE: Jodaxq

Mulch · Post Post #197 (isolation #5) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:42 pm

Spoiler:

This is a bad villager imo

Mulch · Post Post #198 (isolation #6) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:43 pm

In post 66, rb wrote:
In post 65, Jodaxq wrote:
In post 62, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Okay wtf how is everyone this scummy this early

UNVOTE:

I might be reading this game wrong. I'll re-read later and give 2 cents
I haven't been that scummy honestly. And saying that totally wasn't scummy either... Or that...
VOTE: Jodaxq

easy game

I'm pretty sure RB is town, and I'm good at reading RB

Mulch · Post Post #199 (isolation #7) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:44 pm

In post 77, Hawk wrote:So just a quick read with leans from what I've seen.

I like. (slight townlean)
Monkey
Psycho
RB
and maybe Sky?

I don't like. (Scumlean)
Jodaxq
Derpy

Really don't like 2iAM

VOTE: 2iAM

Possibly scum here

Mulch · Post Post #200 (isolation #8) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:44 pm

Twoinamillion is naturally scummy guys

LPT

Mulch · Post Post #201 (isolation #9) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:46 pm

In post 99, humaneatingmonkey wrote:As town, can you see that your first reaction to this post is to metadive the fuck out of it? Note that he didn't even vote it at first, only when he was under pressure and forced to do something with it. I'm not seeing that as organic town process.

Mulch · Post Post #202 (isolation #10) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:47 pm

In post 100, Apple Jack wrote:Using meta is garbage in general.

Wrong, it's how you get accurate readss

Derpy plz

Mulch · Post Post #203 (isolation #11) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:48 pm

In post 117, Hawk wrote:Though I highly doubt that scum could have hammered you at L2 elegantly enough for us not to be suspicious of people voting you.

Don't you think he's scum

Mulch · Post Post #204 (isolation #12) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:52 pm

In post 155, Apple Jack wrote:I’ll expect an apology in the next 5 minutes or you are confirmed scum

Mulch · Post Post #206 (isolation #13) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:57 pm

In post 205, Apple Jack wrote:
In post 189, Sky_Paladin wrote:If you are depressed dont play mafia, get help.
Not letting my depression stop me from having fun. I’ve gotten help. It’s a constant struggle for me and gets worse around holidays.

Doesn’t change the fact that monkey is scum.

I hope you deal with your depression derpy

however, monkey was, and is not, unfortunately, scum

Mulch · Post Post #208 (isolation #14) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:58 pm

In post 207, Apple Jack wrote:Got some irl issues to deal with atm. Be active tomorrow. I’m glad mulch replaced in. I’ll still get some enjoyment

Yeah we have some experience. Remember when I talked to you about your "tunneling town" issues though

wel.lll...

Mulch · Post Post #211 (isolation #15) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:03 pm

In post 209, Apple Jack wrote:What’s done is done bro. There is no turning back.

P.edit - your slot is scum. Confirmed. Sorry.

Rip

Let's give it a day to relax

I'm almost sure ur town so

Mulch · Post Post #212 (isolation #16) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:03 pm

Skimmed the game, not much time rn to deal with this stuff

Jordax I think is scum

Mulch · Post Post #213 (isolation #17) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:03 pm

In post 210, Hawk wrote:
In post 203, Mulch wrote:
In post 117, Hawk wrote:Though I highly doubt that scum could have hammered you at L2 elegantly enough for us not to be suspicious of people voting you.
Don't you think he's scum

I do. You probably didn't understand the tone here. I think he's overreacting with the "A l2 vote deserves explanation" The game didn't seem to be moving that quickly so he wasn't in any danger.

I'm confident probably one scum in 2iAM and Psycho I just am more inclined towards 2iAM. But I could be wrong.

pedit: and you guys say meta is garbage *eyeroll*

Fair enough bro

Mulch · Post Post #215 (isolation #18) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:06 pm

In post 214, Hawk wrote:
In post 211, Mulch wrote:
In post 209, Apple Jack wrote:What’s done is done bro. There is no turning back.

P.edit - your slot is scum. Confirmed. Sorry.
Rip

Let's give it a day to relax

I'm almost sure ur town so
Why are you almost sure??

In normal games, vigilantes can't be scum

Plus, I know derpy, and I know when he's town or scum

Mulch · Post Post #217 (isolation #19) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:09 pm

In post 216, Hawk wrote:I noticed you didn't like my initial reads. Which ones bothered you?

Sorry bro but I've got no time right now, modding a turbo on MU currently. Will get back to you tomorrow prob

Mulch · Post Post #241 (isolation #20) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:31 am

In post 77, Hawk wrote:So just a quick read with leans from what I've seen.

I like. (slight townlean)
Monkey
Psycho
RB
and maybe Sky?

I don't like. (Scumlean)
Jodaxq
Derpy

Really don't like 2iAM

VOTE: 2iAM

@Hawk

The reads I didn't like about these- sky was part of them, nothing towny so far at that point from him, and I think it's possible you are scum pushing on an easy mislynch of 2iam because he's consistently lynchbait as town.

Mulch · Post Post #242 (isolation #21) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:32 am

In post 219, TwoInAMillion wrote:VOTE: Mulch

Nothing against mulch, everything against monkey.

What did you dislike about monkey, I actually thought his replace out was towny as hell (dirty as it was), and otherwise he was playing I think pretty similar to his town meta?

Mulch · Post Post #243 (isolation #22) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:34 am

Spoiler:

Per policy lynching the vig- I can see your logic but I think it's better to just convince him to shoot someone else. I don't want to lose a near-confirmed town, those are a rare commodity

Mulch · Post Post #244 (isolation #23) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:35 am

In post 226, BuJaber wrote:Also mulch just scumread someone that monkey townread. Not necessarily AI but noteworthy

I want to know why you think this is noteworthy

Mulch · Post Post #245 (isolation #24) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:38 am

In post 226, BuJaber wrote:2inam and psyko.

Null on 2iam, he consistently plays the same well as villager or scum ie plays bad as both allignments. It's possible we should lynch him day 1 just because he will never ever be towny and there's a possibility he could hit scum, but I would probably rather lynch someone who's actually scummy

Pysko- I'm not neccecarily townreading the early effort but i'm liking the way he's going with his thought process, plus I'm kind of a sucker for someone who does this type of meta reads. I think this guy knows how to play the game and is a bad day 1 lynch because they can definitely help us if they are town.

Per lynching one of us- relatively scummy from your part, especially how you said you "want to lynch sky" but might lynch a less scummy person for "information"

Soft mafia/mafia vibes with you and sky right now

Mulch · Post Post #246 (isolation #25) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:38 am

In post 229, Apple Jack wrote:
In post 202, Mulch wrote:
In post 100, Apple Jack wrote:Using meta is garbage in general.
Wrong, it's how you get accurate readss

Derpy plz
It’s ridiculously easy to mirror town meta as scum. So you rely on meta and lose the game.

I mean

First of no offense but I've consistently over my mafia career had better reads than you so it's a little ridiculous that your lecturing me on this

Secondof all I said I USE meta, not rely on it

and third of all, that's untrue factually

so...

Mulch · Post Post #247 (isolation #26) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:41 am

In post 235, BuJaber wrote:Prof: You raise valid points about DH but you end up voting him. Lynching DH is not the answer. At the very least us not lynching him means scum have to make a decision whether to kill him tonight or not. He's bad? good, scum kill him for us. And if they don't we can utilize his power. But what you're suggesting is doing scum's dirty work for them. That I cannot support.

If you think DH is scum vote for him. That should be the only reason to vote him.

Ignore DH for a second.. between 2inam, psyko, and mulch who would you rather lynch?

VOTE: BuJaber

Heavily dislike trying to dome the lynch between the three of us when it's lynchbait, relatively towny person, and lycnhbait (yes I am lynchbait) all in the name of "information"

Mulch · Post Post #248 (isolation #27) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:42 am

In post 238, Apple Jack wrote:There is really no wrong way to play a one shot vig.

Mulch · Post Post #250 (isolation #28) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:44 am

In post 240, Apple Jack wrote:I don’t have to convince anyone. That said I’ve given plenty of reasons for monkey and mulch hasn’t done anything townie yet.

Don't delude yourself, I read through the game. HEM didn't apologize to you bro and he was a dick- that dosen't mean hes scum.

Do I need to bring up the game I modded where someone scumread you, you tunneled them for the rest of the game, forced them to replace out, and they flipped town? Or the last few games you've had when someone scumread you, you tunneled them, and they flipped town again? It's a reacurring pattern in your games. It's another reason I think your town here besides the vig claim, but it's something you have to work on

Mulch · Post Post #251 (isolation #29) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:47 am

In post 249, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 242, Mulch wrote:
In post 219, TwoInAMillion wrote:VOTE: Mulch

Nothing against mulch, everything against monkey.
What did you dislike about monkey, I actually thought his replace out was towny as hell (dirty as it was), and otherwise he was playing I think pretty similar to his town meta?
It seemed like he knew he was caught and didn't want a loss on his record.

And it's not like you would say he looked scummy.

If my guy was scummy I would call him scummy regardless of my allignment. I can quote you games where I replaced in as scum and called my predecessor scummy if you like. In fact if HEM was scum I prob WOULD call him scummy rn

Also, he was force replaced. So he didn't choose to be replaced- therefore he didn't "choose" to do anything

So if I'm getting this straight- you don't scumread HEM on his play, only that he replaced out?

Mulch · Post Post #252 (isolation #30) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:49 am

Derpy Hooves- Pretty sure town
Sky_Paladin- Possible scum
TwoInAMillion- Null, needs to improve gameplay
acryon- Don't even know who this is
Hawk- Possible scum
BuJaber- Scummy
profii- I think town but needs to improve gameplay
Mulch replaced humaneatingmonkey- Town
PsykoSavant- Townlean
Jodaxq- Scummy
rb- Very towny

Mulch · Post Post #253 (isolation #31) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:53 am

Anyway I'm pretty horrible at getting people to sheep me because I don't do cases but i think Jodax and BuJaber have a high chance of hitting scum

Mulch · Post Post #255 (isolation #32) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:56 am

In post 254, Apple Jack wrote:See how can I town read somebody who says rb is very townie and rb has done jack shit to earn even a slight town read?

Ugh this is going to be the longest shortest game I’ve ever played.

You could always ask me why I think RB is towny

Mulch · Post Post #257 (isolation #33) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:02 am

To answer your question, here is why RB is very highly town:

Spoiler:

This first quote is an almost perfect reaction and literally the same one that I had when going through this. We mindmelded and it's incredibly natural to see JOdaxq as scum at that point because he was super scummy right before that. It would be pretty masterful for him to have this reaction as scum

In post 68, rb wrote:Sky Paladin probably town though

I'm pretty sure if RB is scum he uses Sky's "badness" to push on him, not call him a villager and waste a mislynch. Unless they are scum partners, but the odds of that are pretty low

In post 221, rb wrote:about halfway through page 6 i went from reading to skimming

by the end of page 7 i upgraded from skimming to skipping

This shows he does not care about being scumread, I know RB scum and he care how people think about him. Town RB dosen't

In post 222, rb wrote:so when are we lynching jodaxq?

same with this one

Mulch · Post Post #258 (isolation #34) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:03 am

In post 256, TwoInAMillion wrote:No, also that he didn't say the Open was over when we were discussing it and we thought it was still ongoing.

Why is that scummy

Mulch · Post Post #260 (isolation #35) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:13 am

In post 259, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 258, Mulch wrote:
In post 256, TwoInAMillion wrote:No, also that he didn't say the Open was over when we were discussing it and we thought it was still ongoing.
Why is that scummy
Because it shows alterior motive.

I don't even know what this means or why it's scummy, so I would appreciate an explanation

Mulch · Post Post #264 (isolation #36) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:19 am

In post 261, Apple Jack wrote:But jodaq’s question wasn’t a bad one let alone ai so being suspicious of that is either scum push or shitty play

Which question

Also derpy I'm kind of not in the mood to argue with you. I'm willing to let you lynch me today/shoot me in the night if you promise to take responsbility for your actions post-game and try to improve your game in the future

Mulch · Post Post #265 (isolation #37) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:19 am

In post 262, TwoInAMillion wrote:Town shouldn't hide information, unless you are a power role.

Do you think he purposefully did it? I honestly have no idea haven't read it carefully

Mulch · Post Post #266 (isolation #38) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:20 am

In post 263, Apple Jack wrote:Not caring about being scum read isn’t AI either. I never care if I’m scum read when I’m scum.

Then your bad at scum lol

Mulch · Post Post #272 (isolation #39) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:27 am

In post 270, Apple Jack wrote:
In post 266, Mulch wrote:
In post 263, Apple Jack wrote:Not caring about being scum read isn’t AI either. I never care if I’m scum read when I’m scum.
Then your bad at scum lol
Except I usually win as scum. I get town read as scum by manipulating people who believe in stupid things like “not being afraid of being scumread”

You win as scum cause when you have bad reads everyone thinks your town
don't lie lol

Mulch · Post Post #273 (isolation #40) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:28 am

In post 271, Apple Jack wrote:I don’t want to argue either. If I’m wrong on your slot though that isn’t my fault. Your predecessor did intentionally scummy things that I can’t see coming from town. He questioned my integrity and didn’t apologize and he crossed the line with personal insults. There is no way I can ever ignore that. There is no way anyone can convince me that came from town because I honestly don’t see how it could.

Dude, personal insults come from town

Mulch · Post Post #275 (isolation #41) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:30 am

Derpy has (expectedly) made me lose my enthusiasm for this game

rip

Mulch · Post Post #278 (isolation #42) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:43 am

In post 277, Apple Jack wrote:He knows arguing with me is pointless but did it anyway.

This is the truest statement I've ever seen

Mulch · Post Post #279 (isolation #43) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:43 am

In post 276, TwoInAMillion wrote:You're like the kid who quits the basketball team because he doesn't get along with one player.

I mean, if a kid on the team relentlessly bullied me, I would quit for sure

not that Derpy is "bullying" but it's close imo

Mulch · Post Post #283 (isolation #44) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:55 am

Derpy stop lecturing me about who has better reads

do I need to pull up all my games with good reads and yours with bad reads

Mulch · Post Post #285 (isolation #45) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:04 am

In post 284, Apple Jack wrote:I hate people who live in the past. You are only as good as your current game.

You’ve had some very shitty games. So have I.

I’ve had some very great games...

My reads are never shitty

Mulch · Post Post #287 (isolation #46) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:06 am

In post 286, BuJaber wrote:So Mulch you agree with me that jodax and sky are scummy but you lump me with them. Typical.. I guess I'll just need to play more games on mafiascum so people know me.

ngl this is pretty towny

VOTE: Jodax

back to this

Mulch · Post Post #295 (isolation #47) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:18 am

In post 293, TwoInAMillion wrote:profi's assumption of Mulch as town, and Mulch's quick vote of Jodax after profi was voted makes me think they could be a scumteam.

I never voted profi. Are you lying?

Mulch · Post Post #318 (isolation #48) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:29 pm

Not accomplished anything? Lmao

Mulch · Post Post #319 (isolation #49) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:30 pm

Btw before we lynch i am claiming so derpy doesn’t shoot me

Mulch · Post Post #321 (isolation #50) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 3:12 pm

In post 320, Apple Jack wrote:
In post 318, Mulch wrote:Not accomplished anything? Lmao
Why is that funny? its completely true imo.

Which of my posts, in your omniscient opinion, is "doing nothing"

Mulch · Post Post #323 (isolation #51) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 3:51 pm

Name one game I've played where I've given explanations for my reads list

Mulch · Post Post #324 (isolation #52) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 3:52 pm

In post 322, Apple Jack wrote:Scum have to say as few words so they can keep options open.

I never give explanations

Also this is factually incorrect

I give MORE reasons as scum

Mulch · Post Post #325 (isolation #53) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 3:52 pm

In post 322, Apple Jack wrote:Secondly, Wanting people lynched but you have refused to give reasons for them. You make a lame excuse for why you can’t give reasons.

Have you ever ASKED me for reasons?

Where did I refuse to give reasons?

Mulch · Post Post #326 (isolation #54) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 3:53 pm

In post 322, Apple Jack wrote:You have also argued with me, admitted you basically know it’s pointless, and then claim you being bullied. That’s in a nutshell you not doing anything

lol

Mulch · Post Post #327 (isolation #55) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 3:53 pm

HARDCLAIM EVEN NIGHT COP

Good FUCKING job Derpy you just made the cop rage claim

Mulch · Post Post #329 (isolation #56) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 3:54 pm

You are the most worthless player I have ever seen

I don't ever give reasons for readslist as town

And scum want to appear towny so they give reaons. I don't care about being towny as town so I don't give reasons

Mulch · Post Post #330 (isolation #57) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 3:55 pm

In post 328, Apple Jack wrote:Sorry I don’t believe you.

Shoot me baby

And then when the game is endgame you can apologize to me and the entire town for shooting the cop

Mulch · Post Post #331 (isolation #58) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 3:55 pm

I woulden't even bother with this shit and I would just be self voting but I feel like self voting as the cop is gamethrowing

Mulch · Post Post #332 (isolation #59) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 3:56 pm

In post 330, Mulch wrote:
In post 328, Apple Jack wrote:Sorry I don’t believe you.
Shoot me baby

And then when the game is endgame you can apologize to me and the entire town for shooting the cop

Fyi this is prob why Human got so angry lol

Mulch · Post Post #335 (isolation #60) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 4:03 pm

Lets ignore you made a list read to begin with because those are pointless filler.

Reads list are literally the opposite of pointless filler

But it’s a pretty useless list read with absolutely no real explanation for any of your reads.

I only give reasons as scum

Scum have to say as few words so they can keep options open.

false actually the opposite

If you were town there’d be some actual reasons for your reads

false, opposite

and they would make sense

1)Mine make sense 2) Often time town's reads don't make sense

.

(they don’t btw)

They do

Secondly, Wanting people lynched but you have refused to give reasons for them.

This is a lie, I never refused anythying

You make a lame excuse for why you can’t give reasons.

lie

To play this game you not only need to find scum, but tell people why they are scum.

factually incorrect

I did that for your slot.

by saying I didn't apologize lmao

I did that for psycho.

Wrong

You have also argued with me,

The sky is blue

admitted you basically know it’s pointless,

oh sweet jesus I did

and then claim you being bullied.

I was

That’s in a nutshell you not doing anything.

I don't know what you think the definition of the word "anything " is

Your entire iso is useless

Incorrect

and if you are town

I am

you will have left behind nothing to help the rest of us.

Except my readslist and my cop results

The only thing I have to figure out is why are you buddying rb

I believe he is town

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Mulch · Post Post #336 (isolation #61) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 4:04 pm

In post 334, Apple Jack wrote:
In post 330, Mulch wrote:
In post 328, Apple Jack wrote:Sorry I don’t believe you.
Shoot me baby

And then when the game is endgame you can apologize to me and the entire town for shooting the cop
The only apology I have is the one in my sig.

So you don't feel any guilt for shooting the town's (probably) best power role?

Mulch · Post Post #337 (isolation #62) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 4:06 pm

In post 333, Apple Jack wrote:
Town have to do certain things to play properly.

There is no "right" way to play

These things aren’t things I should have to ask for.

Yes they are, or your being a bad towny

They should be done naturally.

Everyone does not mirror your style of play

Town has to be transparent as fuck and you aren’t.

1) wrong and 2) That's my playstyle

Town should be actively scum hunting and explain their reads with detail

The first yes the second no

And you aren’t.

Incorrect

They shouldn’t have to say “well you didn’t ask me”. But you did.

I don't even know what y our saying

I have high standards for town.

Sounds like a "you" problem

I don’t lower them for anything.

This is why you are a bad player

Maybe that’s why people hate me so much.

We hate you because you dominate games like shooting the town cop because their predecessor didn't apologize to you

I sometimes scum read shitty townies

1) I'm not shitty 2) Yes you do
.

I can’t really help that.

How about by getting better

Play like you should and you don’t get scum read.

I am playing like i should. your the one with the problem

Mulch · Post Post #338 (isolation #63) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 4:10 pm

Anyway derpy- you have to make your choice. Shoot the cop, or not. If you wern't threatening me, I would probably be NIGHTKILLED, but such is life

Mulch · Post Post #375 (isolation #64) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:43 am

If I was scum, I would claim odd night cop and easily fake a result. Not that hard.

@derpy

I don’t make cases as town. Especially not “detailed cases”.

If you want reasoning for one of my reads, ask, but I’m not wasting my time on cases, which are inherently forced and scummy

Ultimately it’s up to you whether you shoot me or not, but I’m not gonna beg. I’ve done enough to show you how your reasoning is wrong. If you shoot me shoot me and then take responsibility after the game and learn from it

Mulch · Post Post #376 (isolation #65) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:45 am

By day 3 I’ll be dead I’m sure either by town or scum. If I’m miraculously left alive then You’ll get your result

Mulch · Post Post #377 (isolation #66) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:46 am

In post 372, PsykoSavant wrote:Just getting back to the game, thoughts incoming.
Thoughts on the cop claim:
Ridiculously risky play as scum but I see the reasoning behind it:
If Mulch is scum then cop claim would have been a good way to get out of a lynch, but (and forgive me if I haven't counted well, but I didn't see a vote count recently) there was no pressure of a lynch. On the other hand, there is pressure of Mulch dying tonight due to DH's insistence on using a vig kill on him. Claiming even night cop is a good way to either try to deter DH from killing Mulch or try to draw the doctor's protection tonight. We have no way to confirm if Mulch is the even night cop until D3 so if Mulch is scum this ensures we keep him alive until then to see his first set of results. I'm okay not voting here for now, but come D3, this is an egg we need to crack.

This is trash , you spent a paragraph to say nothing and only after you got voted

VOTE: pyscho

Mulch · Post Post #378 (isolation #67) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:48 am

I understand being unsure but this is taking it to an entirely different level. The next 2 posts are bad too . I still think Jodax is probably scum but this guy has gone from a townread to a scumread fast

Mulch · Post Post #380 (isolation #68) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:52 am

In post 379, TwoInAMillion wrote:I don't buy Mulch's claim. No reason to claim this early in the game and claiming because of an argument with one player is really poor play. Also claiming cop could force a counterclaim and even night means he doesn't have to give results right away. Too convienient of a claim for me so I call BS.

Trying to lynch the cop I see

VOTE: 2inamillion

Scum found

Mulch · Post Post #381 (isolation #69) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:53 am

In post 379, TwoInAMillion wrote:I don't buy Mulch's claim. No reason to claim this early in the game and claiming because of an argument with one player is really poor play. Also claiming cop could force a counterclaim and even night means he doesn't have to give results right away. Too convienient of a claim for me so I call BS.

This is the single handedly worst post of the game.

You know why?

He’s SEEN me as town claim early and is trying to push me on it.

2inamilloon is scum

Mulch · Post Post #383 (isolation #70) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:54 am

Yes, 2inamilloon has been in a game with me where I claim early as town

And is saying me doing it again is scum motivated

Mulch · Post Post #384 (isolation #71) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:54 am

And he’s saying scum WANTS to force a counterclaim

The fuck

Mulch · Post Post #386 (isolation #72) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:56 am

In post 385, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 381, Mulch wrote:
In post 379, TwoInAMillion wrote:I don't buy Mulch's claim. No reason to claim this early in the game and claiming because of an argument with one player is really poor play. Also claiming cop could force a counterclaim and even night means he doesn't have to give results right away. Too convienient of a claim for me so I call BS.
This is the single handedly worst post of the game.

You know why?

He’s SEEN me as town claim early and is trying to push me on it.

2inamilloon is scum
Crap play is crap play. I don't care what your meta is. Hiding behind your meta makes you even scummier.

Your scumreading me for something I do as town?

This is a scumclaim.
This is the very definition of a scumclaim

Mulch · Post Post #387 (isolation #73) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:56 am

Scumreading town for things they do as town is scum 101

I haven’t been this confident in a read since forever

Mulch · Post Post #389 (isolation #74) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:03 am

You’ve seen me claim early as town before and you’ve never scumrrad me for it

And now you think it’s scum indicative.

You all are obsessed with reasons:
These are reasons

Mulch · Post Post #392 (isolation #75) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:07 am

In post 390, TwoInAMillion wrote:I tend not to focus on meta as much as other players. I focus on what players are doing this game. This game I don't buy your claim as it is too convenient.

Do you scumread me claiming early?

1)if yes, why didn’t you scumread me other games for claiming early
2) if no, why did you say you did?

Mulch · Post Post #393 (isolation #76) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:08 am

In post 391, Apple Jack wrote:
In post 375, Mulch wrote:I’ve done enough to show you how your reasoning is wrong.
You have literally done nothing this game except make noise. You should be forthcoming with your reasons. Not hiding them waiting to be asked. You know I want them but refuse because I won’t actually ask you? Bullshit.

You are scum confirmed.

I actually don’t know what reasons you want

Because you never asked me

And I don’t read minds

Mulch · Post Post #395 (isolation #77) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:14 am

Derpy:

Which people do you want me to give reasoning for

Just tell me bro

Mulch · Post Post #396 (isolation #78) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:15 am

In post 394, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 392, Mulch wrote:
In post 390, TwoInAMillion wrote:I tend not to focus on meta as much as other players. I focus on what players are doing this game. This game I don't buy your claim as it is too convenient.

Mulch wrote: Do you scumread me claiming early?
Pretty much.
Mulch wrote: 1)if yes, why didn’t you scumread me other games for claiming early
2) if no, why did you say you did?

Different games are different circumstances.

But for the act of CLAIMING EARLY specifically , not the other circumstances

Mulch · Post Post #399 (isolation #79) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:31 am

Which scumreads haven’t I given any reasons

And for fucks sake not reading your mind doesn’t mean playing dumb

Get your head out of your ass

You never asked me which ones

Mulch · Post Post #404 (isolation #80) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:01 am

In post 402, Apple Jack wrote:
In post 398, Apple Jack wrote:He needs to post his reasons for
all
his scum reads.

Which scum reads have I NOT given reasons

Mulch · Post Post #405 (isolation #81) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:02 am

In post 403, acryon wrote:
In post 381, Mulch wrote:
In post 379, TwoInAMillion wrote:I don't buy Mulch's claim. No reason to claim this early in the game and claiming because of an argument with one player is really poor play. Also claiming cop could force a counterclaim and even night means he doesn't have to give results right away. Too convienient of a claim for me so I call BS.
This is the single handedly worst post of the game.

You know why?

He’s SEEN me as town claim early and is trying to push me on it.

2inamilloon is scum
No offense but it's a little odd for the person who, by their own admission, has more than once claimed way too early as town critiquing someone for their post.

I think I'm still happy with my vote on Mulch.

The argument of letting him live in case we have a doc is pretty reasonable, but I don't think it's reasonable enough to overcome Mulch's body of work.

I'll be checked in for real tomorrow but wanted to keep up to date at least.

Explain why that’s odd?

Mulch · Post Post #410 (isolation #82) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:55 am

Derpy, apolgoize post game for shooting the cop. That’s all I ask . If you don’t apologize your a horrible person

Mulch · Post Post #411 (isolation #83) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:00 am

Also for the record I can quote physically the posts where I explained all of my scum reads . Derpy is just too tunneled to read correctly

Mulch · Post Post #413 (isolation #84) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:13 am

257

I explain why I townread rb is because

VOTE: 65 was scummy and implied I disliked VOTE: 36 (the vote on 2mil Cause scum often push on him early) too

Mulch · Post Post #414 (isolation #85) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:14 am

In post 413, Mulch wrote:257

I explain why I townread rb is because

VOTE: 65 was scummy and implied I disliked VOTE: 36 (the vote on 2mil Cause scum often push on him early) too

257

65

36

Mulch · Post Post #418 (isolation #86) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:54 am

In post 417, Apple Jack wrote:Agreeing with somebody’s scum read isn’t a reason. Saying something is scummy (when it isn’t actually) without explaining what’s scummy about it (nothing is) isn’t a reason. Disliking a vote isn’t a reason either.

I would never suggest anyone cast a serious vote for such a weak bunch of reasons. Nothing you’ve pointed to is AI.

Town you should absolutely know that.

So you still look like scum to me.

You absolute goat headed fool if disagreeing with a vote isn’t a reason to scumrrad someone what the fuck IS

Mulch · Post Post #419 (isolation #87) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:54 am

Holy fuck your making me want to replace out

Mulch · Post Post #420 (isolation #88) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:57 am

A preliminary vote on someone for pushing on someone who’s always pushed on as scum is a fucktOn of a better reason than I normally give as town

Mulch · Post Post #421 (isolation #89) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:58 am

viewtopic.php?p=9559693#p9559693

Mulch · Post Post #423 (isolation #90) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:22 am

In post 422, TwoInAMillion wrote:Funny how being caught scum makes people want to replace out.

what are you gonna say when I flip town, scuminamillion?

Mulch · Post Post #447 (isolation #91) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:58 pm

I do agree with the fact that probably one of the people encouraging Derpy to shooot me is scum

Mulch · Post Post #449 (isolation #92) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:16 pm

In post 448, TwoInAMillion wrote:I want him to follow his gut rather than be told what to do and not be accountable.

Is this a scumclaim? His "gut" is to kill

the cop

and your telling him to follow

his gut

Mulch · Post Post #451 (isolation #93) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:21 pm

In post 450, TwoInAMillion wrote:The "claimed" cop. You are not a confirmed cop. And you are not confirmed town.

Maybe if you started acting townier he wouldn't want to shoot you.

I'm playing my game, I'm not molding my game to fit his idea of what a towny is

If I wanted to be towny I would be scum. Scum care about being towny

Mulch · Post Post #453 (isolation #94) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:43 pm

In post 426, Apple Jack wrote:
In post 418, Mulch wrote:if disagreeing with a vote isn’t a reason to scumrrad someone what the fuck IS
Lots of things but Disagreeing with somebody is never a good reason to scum read somebody. If I wasn’t so lazy I’d bet I can find multiple examples where you disagreed with somebody who was town.

Sometimes I disagree with people and I think they aer town. Sometimes I disagree with people and I think thye aer scum.

Mulch · Post Post #490 (isolation #95) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:51 am

VOTE: dh

This game is fucked so I’m symbolically voting the most pro-scum player in this game

(And no, I don’t think derpy is scum)

Mulch · Post Post #491 (isolation #96) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:52 am

In post 484, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 483, Hawk wrote:Statistics don't work that way profil. This is a social deduction game and I'm sure it is less than half in fact it's probably pretty close to x/y percentage where x is the average # of scum players in any given game and y is the average total number of players in any given game.

Pedit: No odds don't work that way...

Also that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Let's ignore the proclaimed action of a person who can directly eliminate a player and choose our lynch without considering this information. Changing DHs mind is reasonable if you believe both DH and Mulches claims.
I don't believe Mulch's claim. Allowing DH to make up his own mind allows us to try and determine his alignment based on the results of his actions. He could be a SK and not a vig. Telling DH who to shoot removes the accountability element and doesn't help town.

Lynch this after I’m dead

“Let’s shoot the cop to determine if derpy is serial killer”

Mulch · Post Post #494 (isolation #97) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:54 am

In post 492, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 491, Mulch wrote:
In post 484, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 483, Hawk wrote:Statistics don't work that way profil. This is a social deduction game and I'm sure it is less than half in fact it's probably pretty close to x/y percentage where x is the average # of scum players in any given game and y is the average total number of players in any given game.

Pedit: No odds don't work that way...

Also that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Let's ignore the proclaimed action of a person who can directly eliminate a player and choose our lynch without considering this information. Changing DHs mind is reasonable if you believe both DH and Mulches claims.
I don't believe Mulch's claim. Allowing DH to make up his own mind allows us to try and determine his alignment based on the results of his actions. He could be a SK and not a vig. Telling DH who to shoot removes the accountability element and doesn't help town.
Lynch this after I’m dead

“Let’s shoot the cop to determine if derpy is serial killer”
That's not at all what I said.

“Let’s let derpy decide on his own”

—— derpy says he’s shooting the cop

“To determine if he’s the serial killer”

Mulch · Post Post #495 (isolation #98) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:56 am

I’m sort of done with this game

Whichever townies are encouraging derpy to shoot a non counterclaims cop claim day 1 is horrible

And there’s probably 1-3 scum mixed into that as well

Mulch · Post Post #497 (isolation #99) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:58 am

In post 496, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 494, Mulch wrote:
In post 492, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 491, Mulch wrote:
In post 484, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 483, Hawk wrote:Statistics don't work that way profil. This is a social deduction game and I'm sure it is less than half in fact it's probably pretty close to x/y percentage where x is the average # of scum players in any given game and y is the average total number of players in any given game.

Pedit: No odds don't work that way...

Also that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Let's ignore the proclaimed action of a person who can directly eliminate a player and choose our lynch without considering this information. Changing DHs mind is reasonable if you believe both DH and Mulches claims.
I don't believe Mulch's claim. Allowing DH to make up his own mind allows us to try and determine his alignment based on the results of his actions. He could be a SK and not a vig. Telling DH who to shoot removes the accountability element and doesn't help town.
Lynch this after I’m dead

“Let’s shoot the cop to determine if derpy is serial killer”
That's not at all what I said.
“Let’s let derpy decide on his own”

—— derpy says he’s shooting the cop

“To determine if he’s the serial killer”
The only reason you don't want DH to decide on his own is because you don't want to be the first scum death.

How can I be a scum death if I am not scum

Mulch · Post Post #498 (isolation #100) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:59 am

The point is, once derpy shoots me, lynch million and others who encouraged the shot

Oh and make derpy apologize

That’s all I ask

Mulch · Post Post #502 (isolation #101) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:39 am

In post 500, Hawk wrote:
In post 498, Mulch wrote:The point is, once derpy shoots me, lynch million and others who encouraged the shot

Oh and make derpy apologize

That’s all I ask
I'll be perfectly honest if I believed your claim I would prefer Derpy to not shoot you. Why did you claim so early??

Did we ever determine mafia actually has daytalk? I thought someone said something about that earlier.

So you no longer believe Derpies claim as one shot vig? if you're voting him because he's the most pro-scum you're not helping town unless you don't believe his claim.

I claimed out of anger, not logic. Sorry

No idea if mafia have daytalk

I’m not voting derpy to get Him lunched , it’s a symbolic vote cause it feels satisfying

Mulch · Post Post #503 (isolation #102) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:40 am

In post 501, TwoInAMillion wrote:Honestly this game reminds me of Mini 1933 where Mulch was scum and extremely antagonistic towards town players.

Convenient you don’t mention the town games

But I’m done arguing

Lynch this after I flip in one wau or another

Mulch · Post Post #505 (isolation #103) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:41 am

In post 504, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 503, Mulch wrote:
In post 501, TwoInAMillion wrote:Honestly this game reminds me of Mini 1933 where Mulch was scum and extremely antagonistic towards town players.
Convenient you don’t mention the town games

But I’m done arguing

Lynch this after I flip in one wau or another
That's because in town games you aren't as antagonistic.

.. lie?

Mulch · Post Post #506 (isolation #104) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:41 am

In post 505, Mulch wrote:
In post 504, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 503, Mulch wrote:
In post 501, TwoInAMillion wrote:Honestly this game reminds me of Mini 1933 where Mulch was scum and extremely antagonistic towards town players.
Convenient you don’t mention the town games

But I’m done arguing

Lynch this after I flip in one wau or another
That's because in town games you aren't as antagonistic.
.. lie?

What do you mean by antagonistic

Mulch · Post Post #508 (isolation #105) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:48 am

In post 507, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 506, Mulch wrote:
In post 505, Mulch wrote:
In post 504, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 503, Mulch wrote:
In post 501, TwoInAMillion wrote:Honestly this game reminds me of Mini 1933 where Mulch was scum and extremely antagonistic towards town players.
Convenient you don’t mention the town games

But I’m done arguing

Lynch this after I flip in one wau or another
That's because in town games you aren't as antagonistic.
.. lie?
What do you mean by antagonistic
I mean insulting other players and trying to bait them.

Quote me baiting someone this game

And I’m only insulting derpy

Cause he deserves to be insulted

Mulch · Post Post #510 (isolation #106) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:13 am

In post 509, Hawk wrote:
In post 381, Mulch wrote:
In post 379, TwoInAMillion wrote:I don't buy Mulch's claim. No reason to claim this early in the game and claiming because of an argument with one player is really poor play. Also claiming cop could force a counterclaim and even night means he doesn't have to give results right away. Too convienient of a claim for me so I call BS.
This is the single handedly worst post of the game.

You know why?

He’s SEEN me as town claim early and is trying to push me on it.

2inamilloon is scum
Did you claim early in these games because of anger not logic as well?

Yes

Mulch · Post Post #511 (isolation #107) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:13 am

In post 510, Mulch wrote:
In post 509, Hawk wrote:
In post 381, Mulch wrote:
In post 379, TwoInAMillion wrote:I don't buy Mulch's claim. No reason to claim this early in the game and claiming because of an argument with one player is really poor play. Also claiming cop could force a counterclaim and even night means he doesn't have to give results right away. Too convienient of a claim for me so I call BS.
This is the single handedly worst post of the game.

You know why?

He’s SEEN me as town claim early and is trying to push me on it.

2inamilloon is scum
Did you claim early in these games because of anger not logic as well?
Yes

Well sometimes

Mulch · Post Post #514 (isolation #108) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:22 am

I’m a cop that’s the most pro town thing ever

Also, I think I’ve found scum

Finding scum is pro town tOo

Mulch · Post Post #519 (isolation #109) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:34 am

In post 518, Apple Jack wrote:
In post 485, acryon wrote:Being wrong is not AI.
According to mulch is it...

How the fuck can you say being wrong isn’t alignment indicative

Mulch · Post Post #526 (isolation #110) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:43 am

In post 522, Apple Jack wrote:
In post 519, Mulch wrote:
In post 518, Apple Jack wrote:
In post 485, acryon wrote:Being wrong is not AI.
According to mulch is it...
How the fuck can you say being wrong isn’t alignment indicative
Because unless somebody is cheating, nobody has perfect reads ever. I don’t know a single person who’s never been part of a mislynch. Never incorrectly read somebody as scum.

You’ve been wrong as town. So that right there should tell you that being wrong isn’t AI.

And now I’m done talking to mulch.

If someone has a history of being wrong they are more likely scum

If you lynch scum every day you are more likely town

I never said you had to have “perfect” reads

Mulch · Post Post #527 (isolation #111) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:44 am

After I flip, lynch

1) 2mil
2) acorn

Both who are encouraging the vigilante to shoot the cop

Mulch · Post Post #531 (isolation #112) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:51 am

In post 530, acryon wrote:
In post 527, Mulch wrote:After I flip, lynch

1) 2mil
2) acorn

Both who are encouraging the vigilante to shoot the cop
I'm not encouraging the vig to shoot you. I'm encouraging the town to lynch you.

Why?

Mulch · Post Post #533 (isolation #113) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:53 am

Why do you think I’m scum?

Mulch · Post Post #535 (isolation #114) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:55 am

In post 534, Hawk wrote:Your situations assume that DH won't shoot if we lynch Mulch.

Or that derpy can’t change his mind

Something’s off here

Mulch · Post Post #538 (isolation #115) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:00 am

In post 536, acryon wrote:
In post 533, Mulch wrote:Why do you think I’m scum?
Because monkey's aggressiveness didn't feel town to me, and your claim was really bad.

In post 534, Hawk wrote:Your situations assume that DH won't shoot if we lynch Mulch.
I don't think he will.

Hmmm

So you’ve been pushing on me the entire game because you think my claim is bad? You don’t think my posts are bad but are so confident my claim is bad that your willing to lynch an even night cop, just because you think the claim might be bad? From someone who has in the past rage done stuff like this too? You don’t find my posts scummy but think the claim is SO bad that you won’t even see if I will get nightkillef? You don’t think town might need a lot of power?

You are voting me solely on the claim and are confident to not only vote but push a lynch on it?

And your scumrrading Monley on agggrssivenss even fully aware that his aggressiveness is towny for him? You don’t think town can be aggressive?

Your push is on AGGRESIVENESS and a claim you dislike, not even content, and that’s enough for you to be SO confident to push a lynch on a cop claim?

Mulch · Post Post #539 (isolation #116) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:00 am

VOTE: acryon

Mulch · Post Post #540 (isolation #117) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:03 am

That’s the closest of a case you’ll get from me

Mulch · Post Post #543 (isolation #118) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:07 am

So why didn’t you mention you didn’t like our pushed when I originally asked you?

I asked why you scumread me you said monkeys aggressiveness and my claim

Now it’s my pushes too? And monkeys? And you still can’t explain why you thought monkeys aggressiveness was scummy even after asked twice?

And your ignoring meta that thoroughly disproves your entire procsss?

Your full of shit

Mulch · Post Post #544 (isolation #119) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:08 am

People are saying vig and cop can’t be in a setup together, they can cause town needs a lot of power with 3 scum.

With 2 scum we might be 2 of the 3 power roles or something

Mulch · Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:03 am

In post 548, acryon wrote:Gut

THIS was your reason to vote monkey? Your pushing me so hard because of gut?

Mulch · Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:21 am

So

Why don’t you believe my claim

Baby fucking steps

Mulch · Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:37 am

In post 555, profii wrote:
In post 553, Mulch wrote:So

Why don’t you believe my claim

Baby fucking steps
Do you regret your rage claim given the even night bit looks dodge as ____

Yes

Mulch · Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:37 am

Ok, my claim is a good claim to make as scum.

But I’m not scum.

So why couldn’t I be town whose making the claim?

Mulch · Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:38 am

In post 557, Mulch wrote:Ok, my claim is a good claim to make as scum.

But I’m not scum.

So why couldn’t I be town whose making the claim?

You keep making aeguements that my claim is perfect IF I’m scum

But that has the premise that I’m scum

So if you don’t assume I’m scum, why is my claim bad

Mulch · Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:12 am

In post 559, Hawk wrote:
In post 558, Mulch wrote:
In post 557, Mulch wrote:Ok, my claim is a good claim to make as scum.

But I’m not scum.

So why couldn’t I be town whose making the claim?
You keep making aeguements that my claim is perfect IF I’m scum

But that has the premise that I’m scum

So if you don’t assume I’m scum, why is my claim bad
Because as a PR you shouldn't claim early unless put up for lynch.

Because as a PR you could soft claim PR if being threatened to be Vig'd rather than I AM THIS EXPLICIT ROLE KNOW ALL OF THE STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES THEREOF

Because as a PR it might help to crumb something and point it out with your claim rather than blankly claim it early d1.

Your claim was weak and looks very much like fuck I'm gonna get shot and that's not good for scum team.

all of that ontop of it being a very good claim if you are scum

I mean

If I was scum I would claim odd night cop and fake a peek

Would also not claim in anger if I was scum

Your right it’s not logical but I wasn’t being logical when I claimed so

Mulch · Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:30 am

If scum kill me, then they lose a mislynch the way things are going
If they don’t, I get a cop check

Simple

And it’s not wifom,
I would claim odd night as scum lol

Mulch · Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:38 am

I don’t understand what you just said

Mulch · Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:45 am

In post 574, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 571, Mulch wrote:If scum kill me, then they lose a mislynch the way things are going
If they don’t, I get a cop check

Simple

And it’s not wifom,
I would claim odd night as scum lol
You mean your fake check where you make up a guilty on someone, they end up being mislyched, and we are in a further hole?

A check cannot be fake if you are not fake

Mulch · Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:50 am

In post 578, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 575, Hawk wrote:
In post 574, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 571, Mulch wrote:If scum kill me, then they lose a mislynch the way things are going
If they don’t, I get a cop check

Simple

And it’s not wifom,
I would claim odd night as scum lol
You mean your fake check where you make up a guilty on someone, they end up being mislyched, and we are in a further hole?
Slander motion to strike from the record.

This is scummy. No reason to even post this as town.
I'm pointing out that Mulch's statements are not factually proven correct. How is that scummy?

You feel slimy

Mulch · Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:51 am

In post 576, Hawk wrote:
In post 573, Mulch wrote:I don’t understand what you just said
Any argument that starts with.

"If I was scum" is WIFOM. You can sit there and tell me all day about how you would do blah as scum rather than what you have done. It doesn't defend your action it says that the action you have taken is opposite this supposed truth you put on the other side. I suppose it's more of a False Dichotomy than Wifom.

I'm to believe that no matter what as scum you would claim odd night cop instead of even. And not any other possibility. Idk you that well and as scum it's an easy defense to something you've done.

Put it this way

I’m about 11-1 as scum in mini normals

If I was scum I would be 1) townread and 2) know odd night cop is a better claim

Mulch · Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:52 am

In post 581, TwoInAMillion wrote:Wow appeal to experience and WIFOM in the same post.

What the fuck is appeal to experience

Zzz

Ur almost as scummy as acorn

Mulch · Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:59 am

Look at all my scum games.

I’m townread.

I don’t get scumread as scum

It’s very simple logic

Mulch · Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:00 pm

Fallacies are a great way to lose games
Also it’s not a fallacy cause it’s true

Mulch · Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:05 pm

In post 592, Hawk wrote:
In post 587, Mulch wrote:Look at all my scum games.

I’m townread.

I don’t get scumread as scum

It’s very simple logic
Gamblers fallacy? just like meta your past results have no bearing on what's actually going on in this game.

In post 591, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 588, Mulch wrote:Fallacies are a great way to lose games
Also it’s not a fallacy cause it’s true
So you are arguing a winning town strategy is to use as many fallacies as possible?

What the fuck???

VOTE: 2inamillion

Mulch · Post Post #608 (isolation #135) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:45 pm

In post 606, Sky_Paladin wrote:I don’t think he’s scum; I think he’s just inexperienced and doesn’t know what to do in the face of heavy pressure.

Lol

Mulch · Post Post #638 (isolation #136) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:35 pm

In post 637, rb wrote:we can agree on Hawk and Sky being town though

No

Mulch · Post Post #639 (isolation #137) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:36 pm

Isn't it funny how much people are like "mulch is prob scum,you should shoot him derpy"

But don't have the guts to lead a mislynch

Mulch · Post Post #676 (isolation #138) » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:49 am

In post 673, acryon wrote:Going to be going on V/LA here later today for most of the rest of the game day, so wanted to make my final case for Mulch.

(First, I 100% believe the claim of DH. He claimed Vig and has consistently said he would shoot Mulch tonight. It would be very very hard for him to avoid major suspicion if there weren’t 2 kills tonight, so I’m very much inclined to believe the claim is legit.)

That being said, these are the scenarios with Mulch:

Mulch is Town

A. We lynch town!Mulch. Not the end of the world since he was never going to live long enough to provide town value anyway.
B. We lynch someone else and let DH vig-shoot town!Mulch. Chances are we lose an extra townie here.

Mulch is Scum

A. We lynch scum!Mulch. Obviously a great scenario, not much else to say here.
B. We lynch someone else and let DH vig-shoot scum!Mulch. Chances are we lose an extra townie here.

Unless you think we have a very good chance of lynching scum today outside of Mulch (statistically we don't), whether Mulch is town or scum,
our best scenario involves lynching him over the alternative
.

This is incorrect mathematically. If I were to be killed by scum, we save a towny player, and make it so we can actually lynch a scummy player instead of mislynching me

Mulch · Post Post #677 (isolation #139) » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:49 am

Lynches are the towns best asset

Mulch · Post Post #678 (isolation #140) » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:50 am

If there’s anything pressing I need to respond to quote it

Otherwise not spending more effort on this derpy-fucked-game

Mulch · Post Post #688 (isolation #141) » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:19 am

In post 685, Jodaxq wrote:Acryon is making a lot of sense on Mulch's lynch. Similar to BuJaber I wouldn't be opposed to a Mulch lynch, but I still prefer Psyko until he gives me a strong reason to think otherwise.

In what ways it it making sense, it's mathmatically incorrect so this smells like bullshit to me

Mulch · Post Post #695 (isolation #142) » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:56 am

If I’m killed by scum, we gain a mislynch.

That means they COULD be killing someone towny but they had to waste it on me

If they don’t kill me, I give you a cop result

Mulch · Post Post #698 (isolation #143) » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:09 am

In post 697, TwoInAMillion wrote:@Mulch: If you were a different player that was town in this game, would you assume you are town and why? From an objective standpoint, do you think your play so far has helped town?

Intresting question.

1) Would I assume I was town? no. Would I lynch or shoot a cop claim? no

2) Has helped town? My play, no. But can you really blame me with Derpy for not being interested in this game?

Mulch · Post Post #700 (isolation #144) » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:11 am

In post 699, acryon wrote:
In post 698, Mulch wrote:
In post 697, TwoInAMillion wrote:@Mulch: If you were a different player that was town in this game, would you assume you are town and why? From an objective standpoint, do you think your play so far has helped town?
Intresting question.

1) Would I assume I was town? no. Would I lynch or shoot a cop claim? no
So a claimed cop is essentially an innocent child to you? You can keep living as scum and pretending to do checks on people that are dying for the rest of the game.

Wolfy manipulation. I never said I would say I am scum, I said I woulden't ASSUME I am town

I never said I would be an innocent child to me

Mulch · Post Post #702 (isolation #145) » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:17 am

In post 701, acryon wrote:
In post 700, Mulch wrote:
In post 699, acryon wrote:
In post 698, Mulch wrote:
In post 697, TwoInAMillion wrote:@Mulch: If you were a different player that was town in this game, would you assume you are town and why? From an objective standpoint, do you think your play so far has helped town?
Intresting question.

1) Would I assume I was town? no. Would I lynch or shoot a cop claim? no
So a claimed cop is essentially an innocent child to you? You can keep living as scum and pretending to do checks on people that are dying for the rest of the game.
Wolfy manipulation. I never said I would say I am scum, I said I woulden't ASSUME I am town

I never said I would be an innocent child to me
You said "Would I lynch or shoot a cop claim? no"

Were there other qualifiers to this that you left out? Because otherwise that does essentially translate to "a claimed cop is an innocent child."

How the fuck is “I wouldn’t kill a cop claim day 1 or night 1” mean

Cop claims are inno child

Remind me to place my vote on you if I haven’t already, this is disgusting, smelly, manipulative horsedung that I’ve seen from scum time and time again

Mulch · Post Post #727 (isolation #146) » Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:44 pm

In post 726, profii wrote:I think I’ll never believe what Mulch will say, also Derpy seems to have become less militant with his Vig shot so hopefully by removing an untrustable PR claim, we can make use of the other PR claim

VOTE: Mulch

Trying to lynch the cop? Why haven’t you “not trusted”

Anything I’ve said until now?

Mulch · Post Post #728 (isolation #147) » Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:45 pm

Lynch me bitches so I can get spoilers and get out of this game

The day I’ll try is the day I don’t have to deal with this bullshit

Mulch · Post Post #732 (isolation #148) » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:05 pm

In post 730, rb wrote:mulch ive never seen you be apathetic towards a game before though

ive skimmed or skipped most of the arguing but since no one's getting force replaced it doesn't seem all that heated, why so mad?

Because I've had bullshit stuffed up my ass for the entire game and no room to breathe, including

- People who say that people who vote scum are no more likely to be town
- People who say that people who vote town are no more likely to be wolfs
- People who say that a mislynch bait being nightkilled is disadvatnaageous to scum
- People who say that saying lynching a cop claim day 1 means that I think they are "an inno child"
- People who say meta is uesless
- People who say that because HEM never aplogized he was lock scum

Among other things

I'm done

Mulch · Post Post #743 (isolation #149) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:38 am

In post 742, Apple Jack wrote:
In post 739, BuJaber wrote:I did not feel that the arguments with Mulch have passed the line to personal insults.
Agreed

Stfu

Mulch · Post Post #745 (isolation #150) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:54 am

In post 744, TwoInAMillion wrote:VOTE: Mulch

I've had enough of this.

I mean your scum so

I expected you to vote me

I’m mostly angry at the town who voting me

So I respect your vote, your playing to your win con

Mulch · Post Post #751 (isolation #151) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:13 am

In post 747, Apple Jack wrote:
In post 737, rb wrote:when a game is making someone mad, they take less interest in it.
His anger isn’t real. It can’t be.

I asked him to explain his scum reads and he didn’t really. The stuff he did say wasn’t even AI. He later admitted that he hasn’t helped town and he is upset that he argued with me and it was pointless but he knows my meta supposedly so he knows arguing with me is pointless.

He’s done no real scum hunting. He replaced into a slot that he knew I was going to tunnel and he intentionally fueled my fire instead of ignoring me. Then others chimed in and pushed him probably because they noticed that his play and claim look bad.

Normally I’m against lynching Pr claims day 1, but in this case I can say there is a 99.9% chance his claim is false.

How would you feel if I called your anger fake?

I’ve explained everything you’ve asked for, it’s not my fault that you think it’s bad reasoning (it’s not)

I’m not helping town to the extent that I could because 1) I’m busy 2) the town does not deserve it

Why the fuck would I fuel the fire of the person shooting me as scum rofl

99.9%- how does it feel to be 999/100 DEAD ASS WRONG

your an idiot if you think I wouldn’t try to please you to dissuade you from shooting if I was scum

As town I have pride, as scum I suck up to people

You are just playing too badly to realize it

No shame in that- everyone has bad games. But own up to it

Mulch · Post Post #752 (isolation #152) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:14 am

In post 749, TwoInAMillion wrote:because I'm town.

False, you’ve played with me and should know I’m town

The fact your voting me is a scumclaim to me

Mulch · Post Post #755 (isolation #153) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:17 am

In post 753, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 752, Mulch wrote:
In post 749, TwoInAMillion wrote:because I'm town.
False, you’ve played with me and should know I’m town

The fact your voting me is a scumclaim to me
You're playing closer to your scumgame.

And you've done nothing to help town so even if you were playing 100% like your town game there's not much I can do to help you.

I’ll fully admit that I’m being anti- town

But you of all people should know the difference between anti town and scum

Mulch · Post Post #757 (isolation #154) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:23 am

In post 756, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 755, Mulch wrote:
In post 753, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 752, Mulch wrote:
In post 749, TwoInAMillion wrote:because I'm town.
False, you’ve played with me and should know I’m town

The fact your voting me is a scumclaim to me
You're playing closer to your scumgame.

And you've done nothing to help town so even if you were playing 100% like your town game there's not much I can do to help you.
I’ll fully admit that I’m being anti- town

But you of all people should know the difference between anti town and scum
So I'm protecting town interests by voting for the people that are hurting town and you think I am scum for it? At some point we have to get rid of the elephant in the room.

You do realize I would start helping town if I didn’t have to deal with this bullshit right?

And the nature of my role is pro town anyway

Mulch · Post Post #759 (isolation #155) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:27 am

In post 758, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 757, Mulch wrote:
In post 756, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 755, Mulch wrote:
In post 753, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 752, Mulch wrote:
In post 749, TwoInAMillion wrote:because I'm town.
False, you’ve played with me and should know I’m town

The fact your voting me is a scumclaim to me
You're playing closer to your scumgame.

And you've done nothing to help town so even if you were playing 100% like your town game there's not much I can do to help you.
I’ll fully admit that I’m being anti- town

But you of all people should know the difference between anti town and scum
So I'm protecting town interests by voting for the people that are hurting town and you think I am scum for it? At some point we have to get rid of the elephant in the room.
You do realize I would start helping town if I didn’t have to deal with this bullshit right?

And the nature of my role is pro town anyway
You wouldn't "have to deal with this bs" if you weren't so reactionary. No one is stopping you from doing actual scumhunting. There are scum cops and there is no proof that you aren't lying so there is nothing pro town about the nature of your role.

Scum cops?

Mulch · Post Post #761 (isolation #156) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:30 am

Why would I be helpful to a town that’s been a dick to me

Mulch · Post Post #763 (isolation #157) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:33 am

You got me guys, I’m a scum fucking even night cop

Good job

You’ve found the first ever game in mafiascum history with a scum cop

Mulch · Post Post #764 (isolation #158) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:33 am

In post 763, Mulch wrote:You got me guys, I’m a scum fucking even night cop

Good job

You’ve found the first ever game in mafiascum history with a scum cop

/s

Mulch · Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:51 am

I am town

TOWN TOWN TOWN TOWN TOWN TOWN TOWN

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Mulch · Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:23 am

In post 777, Mulch wrote:I am town

TOWN TOWN TOWN TOWN TOWN TOWN TOWN

TOWN TOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNv
TOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWN
TOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNv

Mulch · Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:23 am

In post 779, Mulch wrote:
In post 777, Mulch wrote:I am town

TOWN TOWN TOWN TOWN TOWN TOWN TOWN

TOWN TOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNv
TOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWN
TOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNv

Mulch · Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:47 pm

In post 784, TwoInAMillion wrote:@Hawk: the problem with not lynching him is the longer he stays in the game the more potential damage to town.

I'm not a fucking damange to town, please screw off

At this poiont you have to be scum

Mulch · Post Post #788 (isolation #163) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:09 pm

In post 787, TwoInAMillion wrote:I don't think a town cop claims with no pressure. If he does he's the worst player in the history of mafia and I know he's not.

Lol it was out of anger you heartless steel-veined arbol-pumped machine

Mulch · Post Post #793 (isolation #164) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:03 pm

In post 791, Apple Jack wrote:Dude actually tried to say that disagreeing with somebody’s vote means they are scum.

This is a lie but ok

Mulch · Post Post #794 (isolation #165) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:30 pm

I want to replace out rn so badly

but I'm not

to prove a point to derpy

Mulch · Post Post #796 (isolation #166) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:45 pm

VOTE: Mulch

Cya guys

Mulch · Post Post #797 (isolation #167) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:46 pm

In post 796, Mulch wrote:VOTE: Mulch

Cya guys

When I flip, lynch twoinamillion and acorn

Mulch · Post Post #799 (isolation #168) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:31 pm

You don’t deserve an answer

Sheep me after I flip

Don’t question it

They are scum

Mulch · Post Post #801 (isolation #169) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:51 pm

I’m not reading this game anymore

I’ll come here to prod dodge

If you want to lynch scum, lynch million

If you want to lynch the cop, lynch me

Goodbye

Mulch · Post Post #821 (isolation #170) » Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:59 am

I never put myself to L-1 at scum

I wasn't even sure if I hammered myself

I'm confirmed town now and votes on me are a scumclaim

VOTE: Acorn

Mulch · Post Post #824 (isolation #171) » Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:32 am

Scum putting themeslves to L-1 while they think they hammered themselves is gamethrowing

Unless you thinnk I'm gamethrowing scum, I'm confirmed town

Mulch · Post Post #826 (isolation #172) » Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:41 am

In post 825, Hawk wrote:
In post 824, Mulch wrote:Scum putting themeslves to L-1 while they think they hammered themselves is gamethrowing

Unless you thinnk I'm gamethrowing scum, I'm confirmed town
Everything you've done up until now has been logical fallacies or based off an assumption that you're telling the truth purely to "confirm" you as town. that's not good town play and I'm tired of playing this game with you mulch I've been more than reasonable for days now...

Fair enough

Mulch · Post Post #828 (isolation #173) » Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:54 am

It's impossible for me to flip scum

rip

Mulch · Post Post #830 (isolation #174) » Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:14 am

In post 829, Apple Jack wrote:If town. Blacklisted.

This is the most ironic statement I've ever read

Mulch · Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:31 am

Mulch · Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:34 am

In post 834, TwoInAMillion wrote:Another reason I feel like Mulch is lying is that I feel a Vig and a Cop would be a lot of power in one town, and I doubt that DH is lying. On the other hand, I feel like it's entirely possible that Mulch is gambiting and he's actually VT, but if that's the case that's completely on him and he deserves to be lynched.

Even night cop

That's one peek in an 11 person game

Mulch · Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:01 pm

In post 840, profii wrote:
In post 839, TwoInAMillion wrote:Fair enough, but it's reasonable to assume that there are other power roles as well that haven't been claimed.
hang on, a minute ago, vig + cop was a lot of power, now you think there could be more?!

This is basically a scumslip

Mulch · Post Post #850 (isolation #178) » Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:58 pm

Mulch · Post Post #852 (isolation #179) » Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:17 pm

You should extend yourself, Derpy

Mulch · Post Post #854 (isolation #180) » Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:23 pm

In post 853, Apple Jack wrote:So you aren’t going to answer my questions?

You don't deserve to be graced with my attention span

Plus, I have no hope for you ever changing your mind

Mulch · Post Post #856 (isolation #181) » Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:26 pm

In post 855, Apple Jack wrote:Have a nice life bro

Ready to blacklist me? My body is ready

Mulch · Post Post #857 (isolation #182) » Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:27 pm

I lost all respect for you when you said you "sucked at apologies"

What a horrible excuse

jesus

Mulch · Post Post #859 (isolation #183) » Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:35 pm

In post 858, Apple Jack wrote:I stole that from a meme cause it’s funny as fuck. New Years resolution for you should be to get a sense of humor.

You said you woulden't apologzie post-game when I flipped town rofl

Mulch · Post Post #861 (isolation #184) » Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:51 pm

In post 860, Apple Jack wrote:*if you flip town.

I don’t typically apologize for being wrong and no player should imo. If you are town you should be apologizing to us.

lmfao

First off

I'm town

second of all it's not my fault you scumread peopel for not apologizing to you

Mulch · Post Post #863 (isolation #185) » Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:36 pm

In post 862, Apple Jack wrote:I threw my entire game out the window because of that.

I can easily seeing you throwing a computer out the window

Mulch · Post Post #885 (isolation #186) » Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:17 am

Rather do Acorn

Mulch · Post Post #886 (isolation #187) » Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:37 am

Also in favor of extention

Mulch · Post Post #888 (isolation #188) » Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:38 am

In post 887, profii wrote:
In post 885, Mulch wrote:Rather do Acorn
because.........

Because they are using incorrect mathematical facts to push me

And their vote on me seems the scummiest out of everyone

Mulch · Post Post #890 (isolation #189) » Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:46 am

In post 889, profii wrote:whats your thoughts on placing a vote on Bujaber given the wagon has started and there isnt much momentum behind acryon... i mainly ask because i dont recall you placing a read on buj for a while

I would rather lynch BuJabber than me

But I would rather lynch Acorn than BuJabber

Just cause Acorn/2inamillion haev high wolf equity

Mulch · Post Post #894 (isolation #190) » Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:44 am

In post 892, MathBlade wrote:Performing flip etc momentarily please stand by. Please pretend the thread is locked.

What the fuck I had unvoted

You just screwed town

Mulch · Post Post #895 (isolation #191) » Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:45 am

In post 821, Mulch wrote:I never put myself to L-1 at scum

I wasn't even sure if I hammered myself

I'm confirmed town now and votes on me are a scumclaim

VOTE: Acorn

Mulch · Post Post #896 (isolation #192) » Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:46 am

What a fitting end

Mulch · Post Post #898 (isolation #193) » Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:48 am

I can’t

This game

Mulch · Mon Jan 01, 2018 12:17 pm

I buy the claim it fits with my even night claim

OK we lynch acorn

Mulch · Mon Jan 01, 2018 12:36 pm

....Acorn

Mulch · Post Post #918 (isolation #196) » Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:40 pm

In post 917, PsykoSavant wrote:
In post 916, rb wrote:Can we lynch Psyko now .____.
No because that would be a bad idea.
UNVOTE: BuJaber
VOTE: TIAM

Ok

VOTE: TIAM

Mulch · Post Post #933 (isolation #197) » Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:25 pm

In post 932, Sky_Paladin wrote:I would like everybody to take a look at what I posted in 923.

In this post I ask BuJaber to explain how he 'knew' Mulch was roled (the reason he voted Profii) before Mulch had crumbed or made his claim.

To me it looks like a straight up scum slip of BuJaber outing his buddy by accident, and this explains Mulch's subsequent meltdown - he knew the only way to save the team was to distract players from looking at BuJaber.

Like, have I missed some obvious post before then that Monkey or Mulch had indicated they were roled? Thoughts?

Brilliant

This man is fucking brilliant

Give a round of applause

What a BRILLIANT deduction
GG WP

GGGG

GGG
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/s

Mulch · Post Post #934 (isolation #198) » Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:25 pm

Let's do acorn

Mulch · Post Post #938 (isolation #199) » Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:50 pm

In post 937, Hawk wrote:don't be an ass...

Can you blame me