Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER
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I'm mixing you up with BuJaber sorry-
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marangal can you do the honours?
a flip would really brighten my day-
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fuck ignore my dumb ass you're already voting
i have literally never played a game where i got the votecounts right except the one i modded-
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mod was posting in other games all day, must be scum
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AHAHAHAHAHA-
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A50 into mastina breaks this wide the fuck open
VOTE: A50
Probably don't speedlynch this-
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The nightplan is fucking trivial if A50 is scum. It's actually trivial either way.
Killstoppers: Mathdino, Beefster, mastina
Investigatives: the worst, Not_Mafia, Kthxbye
Remaining: Bujaber, Marangal, IB
Night Plan Regardless Of What Happens
Mathdino guards Kthxbye
Beefster blocks mastina
mastina blocks Beefster
Kthx follows Not_Mafia
the worst checks InfernoBrafin (Ideally Bujaber, but IB if Bujaber won't work)
Not_Mafia motion detects Marangal
Marangal holsters
Bujaber visits... fuck idk, Mathdino
If a kill goes through and the worst, Kthx and N_M don't have guilties, the killer MUST be in {the worst, Bujaber} (or there's a strongman/ninja). If a kill doesn't go through, I'll be alive to talk about it.
Just gonna wait for the worst and maybe mastina to sign off on this.
I'm starting to question how the game is balanced around mafia traitor.
Are there 4 mafia? Third party?
acryon's flip and mastina's proposed scumteam in no way explain what happened last night, especially if A50 doesn't flip ascetic strongman.-
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Would you be able to check Bujaber instead?
In other news, acryon/A50/Beefster doesn't work as a scumteam either (if A50 doesn't flip strongman) because Beefster is confirmed to have jailed Marangal.
But that's talk for another day.-
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ok just check IB lol-
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Correct, that's the issue-
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Acryon claimed traitor by gladiating us
That much was clear
Those who defended him are still suspect
Like A50-
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In fact I see it as more likely acryon didn't know the scumteam considering he gladiated his 2 strongest townreads
I think he was trying to avoid a d1 scum lynch-
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Not_Mafia might not have known acryon was scum tho
He shouldn't have waited til after the flip to provide that info
Mastina can still be scum ftr-
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calling scumteam as A50/beefster stillIn post 2199, Momrangal wrote:Possible but like, I am under the assumption that traitor is informed and the scum team is informed of there being one, but not who it is.
mafia ascetic strongman + mafia jailkeeper
any scumteam that doesn't account for iconeum getting wasted is a bad one though
not_mafia likely to actually be motion detector
IB is probably locktown and the worst can check that
the worst is more likely to just die tbh
kthx is confirmed follower
so mastina roleblocked me or A50 is the strongman
them gladiating each other is consistent with that-
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InfernoBrafin, I've literally never seen the "standard" JOAT in any theme game. The wiki is based on 10-year-old mod meta.
Please please don't try to determine alignment based on role. There are better arguments to be made, and better things to spend our time on (in fact more than a paragraph in response to this post is going to be wasted time; no one expects every JOAT to be a cop/vig/roleblocker).-
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So if you don't terribly mind a bit of critiqueIn post 2207, InfernoBrafin wrote:I'm on post #790, and I'd like to say a few things.
KTB is prob town because of the whole No-lynch thing.
Mom's quickvote on Ico has me concerned. So does Bu's.
Bu also has what appears to be faked confusion in an interaction with TW. Not sure why.
You kind of have the opposite problem of mastina with your catchup. While she overexplains and overdramatises everything while dumping walls of logic and flair on every event involving anyone else
you're kind of just saying things to show you're still with us, you're still catching up, and you have relevant thoughts, but they're not actually adding anything to the gamestate.
- Multiple people tried to "no lynch", you don't explain here what's any townier about Kthx's NL vote. In fact, I think it's scummier than anyone else's.
- Link us to the vote. You also fail to explain what scum motivation there is in Marangal and Bujaber going for the difficult lynch (Iconeum) over the relatively easy lynch (me).
- What? What faked confusion? If you tell us why, we might be able to help you.
- And in order for me to go back and check your work, I have to go manually find post 790, when you could use quotes or the [ post ][ /post ] tags to immediately link us there.
This is combined with your fixation over relatively minor setup-based things (like mastina's JOAT claim) that can really just be factchecked by asking anyone who's played 1 or 2 theme games on this site.
Like your hydra partner. Who you know is trustworthy.
I guess what I'm saying is a lot of what you're posting belongs in your hydra chats rather than the thread, until
A. You want to get second opinions on things (in which case you should be opening up discussions)
B. You want to actually start pushing a case/theory/narrative (in which case you should catch up first).-
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all of that sounds consistent with the idea of a lynchpool of {A50, mastina, Beefster} for the next few days barring any shenanigans
so i guess i'm ready for the lynch once A50 pops in and admits his folly of not being on the acryon wagon-
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This is a win if I've ever seen one.
Setup's a bit townsided I'll admit.
It's lowkey possible we have 2 scum left so don't get too complacent I guess.-
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Protectives:
Mathdino guards Kthxbye
mastina blocks Beefster
Beefster jails mastina
Investigatives:
the worst checks InfernoBrafin
Kthx follows Not_Mafia
Not_Mafia motion detects Marangal
Others:
Bujaber visits Mathdino
Marangal holsters
InfernoBrafin holsters
Bujaber can still be the endgame scum, so watch out for that (although it'd be hilariously imbalanced if he was the 3rd scum, I'm talkin 4th).-
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@the worst:Confirm InfernoBrafin is town?
@Kthxbye:Confirm Not_Mafia's night action?
@Not_Mafia:Confirm no movement from Marangal?
Scum have a strongman no matter what, assuming mastina's night action went through. Either Beefster performed the strongman kill and is also a mafia jailkeeper who jailed Marangal, or someone shot straight through Beefster's protection.
Assuming innocents from everyone, that means we have:
Confirmed didn't do the nightkill: InfernoBrafin, Not_Mafia, Ms Marangal
Remaining:
Beefster: Confirmed jailkeeper
the worst: Unconfirmed, needs to claim
Bujaber: Unconfirmed compulsive visitor
Kthx: Semi-confirmed follower
Mathdino: Unconfirmed Bodyguard
VOTE: Bujaber-
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I think on Bujaber lynch we can do the following to clear the rest:
Beefster holsters (jailkeeper is fucking useless now)
Mathdino holsters (bodyguard is also useless)
the worst checks Beefster
Kthxbye checks Beefster
Not_Mafia checks Mathdino
Marangal and IB roles are now useless and are our LyLo with Not_Mafia if there's 4 scum.-
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In post 2132, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Hilariously, scum bussed no matter what here.In post 2230, Gamma Emerald wrote:
At this point it's just lynching the people late to the parties.
Kthx called the guilty on A50 and was one of the first on acryon. I could definitely see Kthx "confirming" himself as a softbus plan with A50, but the force with which he went in on that makes that a bit unlikely.
Beefster was late on acryon. Viable partner.
Bujaber was late on both. Probably the correct lynch today.
the worst I'd have to take a closer look at. Was late on acryon but gung ho on A50.-
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On reconsideration, I'd also be somewhat open to lynching Beefster (since jailkeeper does nothing).
This creates a nightplan of:
Mathdino holsters
Kthxbye follows Bujaber
the worst checks Mathdino
Not_Mafia checks InfernoBrafin
Lynching Bujaber is mechanically superior because "compulsive visitor" is a weird role that doesn't seem like it would have a result for the Follower, and Not_Mafia doesn't really have anything useful to do in this instance. Unless we want to do an alternate plan of the worst checking Marangal and Not_Mafia motion detecting me, which also works.
But Beefster is probably scummier by play, so w/e.-
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It's not at all unlikely that there's 4 mafia.In post 2241, Kthxbye wrote:Also, call me setup spec scared, but I'm not sure town gets 3 investigates even WITH investigation immune goon. Maybe I'm just paranoid...
That just requires a double bus.
Either way that group of 5 I posted MUST contain a strongman. Once we get our strongman flip, we reevaluate.-
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My power means nothing. Scum used their strongman on N1 and N2. I'm much better off holstering and allowing myself to be cleared by Not_Mafia.
If we double up you and the worst on Beefster (or whoever else), we can ensure a result even if scum kills one of you.
Game balance is either 4 mafia (in which case Not_Mafia is fucking clearly the 4th scum) or just thinks that a mafia strongman will neuter all the protectives and roleblockers.-
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Beefster is confirmed to have jailed Marangal N1, because her action didn't go through. He couldn't have jailed me in order to get to Iconeum.In post 2248, Kthxbye wrote:I'd be up for a Beefster lynch at this point from a pure setup spec standpoint. If a JK can't keep a strongman from killing and scum have a strongman AND a JK can't stop non killing actions from targeting them or their targets, it just doesn't make sense in this game.
If Beefster was scum, does that take away the idea of a strongman with what claims have come out?
Since mastina flipped town, that means scum is either
A. Strongman
B. Roleblocker
C. Asceticizer?
D. Alien???
C and D are longshots. It's more likely that scum just strongman killed Iconeum and mastina. If Beefster is scum (and if there's 3 scum), he's a strongman jailkeeper.-
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Again, BGing you does absolutely nothing, because if I'm scum, I'll just shoot you, and if scum have their strongman left, they'll ALSO shoot you through my protection.In post 2249, Kthxbye wrote:If you are BG and you BG me, I can clear you of all doubt. That is a bonus going forward for sure. I'm more than a little worried about scum killing CS and not you considering...
My bodyguard is absolutely useless with the roles remaining. I should not be using it.
I believe I'm alive because my reads on the 3rd scum were shit. Tbh that heavily implicates the worst, but he can be lynched before LyLo if it comes to that.-
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the worst's investigative relies on me not performing a night action.In post 2254, Kthxbye wrote:did scum not kill you to simply make the rest of us (or me anyway) ask the question as to why? Your reads of the 3rd scum being shit or not, killing CS doesn't make any sense unless...
mastina blocks Beefster
Beefster jails mastina
This implicates Beefster....except it's been said that strongman is something scum have had for a long time. So, again, makes no sense to kill CS because if it's assumed there's a strongman, this negates the implication that Beefster is scum for the kill going through.
So.....
Even though your power is useless with a strongman in the mix, it doesn't matter if you holster it or use it so I can clear you. If I die from strongman, so be it. If NM is town, can can simply watch me to see who else visits me other than you and you are cleared and scum is caught caught. If nobody visits me, I will get a message saying you actually are our savior. It'd make me feel a lot better going forward.
The ONLY way Marangal is scum here is if Marangal/Not_Mafia is straight up the scumteam.In post 2255, Kthxbye wrote:also, if scum kill you, you will have gotten your wish to die ASAP.
tbh, mom lynch here makes me the most comfortable.
VOTE: momrangal-
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I have no goddamn clue tbh-
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I asked Gamma; in the case that a roleblocker and a jailkeeper targeted each other, neither would be able to perform a factional kill.
Obviously that doesn't answer whether the protection goes through, but we'll see.
Kthx are you definitively arguing that Marangal/Not_Mafia is the scumteam? Because if not, you should be voting Beefster or Bujaber here. I'm pretty confident Marangal is town.-
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Beefster, acryon, Marangal, N_M, and A50 on here. Bujaber actually had the opportunity to hammer Kthx. So did I. And so did the worst.In post 1351, Mathdino wrote:
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Okay so lemme think. Beefster is clearly the scummiest person by a mile in terms of play besides Not_Mafia, who has already been cleared. Problem is him being scum requires mafia jailkeeper, which is a bit iffy.
Not_Mafia and Marangal are either both town or are both scum (or there's 4 scum and someone other than the two of them did the nightkill). We could resolve that situation by lynching Marangal, who could've had some kind of investigative role that got blocked by Beefster (forcing her to come up with a messenger fakeclaim). If she's scum, lynching Not_Mafia wins the game. If she's town:
Beefster/Mathdino holster
the worst checks Beefster
Kthxbye checks Bujaber
Not_Mafia checks Mathdino
This actually works pretty well. Alternatively, if you guys are okay with me not being checked, we can just lynch Not_Mafia, keep Marangal alive, and I'll go ahead and guard Kthxbye.-
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Beefster confirmed blocked Marangals message sending on N1. So he definitely has the actual ability to roleblock. The problem is that still doesn't explain how Iconeum got shot.-
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Would require Beefster being a mafia strongman jailkeeper and Marangal being a mafia messenger, so no it's not out of the question, but that would be pretty fuckin freaky.In post 2273, Kthxbye wrote:it's out of the question that Beef and Mom are the team?
N1:In post 2274, Kthxbye wrote:uhg...do we have a consolidated claimed action/resolution list somewhere? My head hurts.
mastina ??? (probably rolecopped me)
Beefster jails Marangal
Marangal messages mastina (fails)
the worst checks Iconeum, town
Mathdino protects Iconeum
Not_Mafia checks acryon, no motion
Kthxbye checks Almost50, no result
Some jackass strongman-kills Iconeum
N2:
mastina roleblocks Beefster
Beefster jails mastina
the worst checks InfernoBrafin, town
Kthxbye checks Not_Mafia, did not kill
Not_Mafia checks Marangal, no motion
Some jackass strongman-kills mastina
Protectives: Mathdino (Bodyguard), Beefster (Jailkeeper)
Investigatives: the worst (unknown), Kthxbye (Follower), Not_Mafia (Motion Detector)
Miscellaneous: InfernoBrafin (Conftown), Marangal (Messenger), Bujaber (Compulsive Visitor)-
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I mean we have 4 lynches and an insane amount of night actions to figure this shit out.
So at this point I just want a claim from the worst so we can lynch anyone in {Beefster, Bujaber, Not_Mafia, Marangal}.
the worst is the only one that can actually clear townies, which is good because we just have to identify people he's not scum with and have him clear them.
Kthx and Not_Mafia can identify who didn't perform the kill.
The kill was 100% performed by one of the following:
Mathdino: If anyone seriously scumreads me
the worst: Pls claim
Kthxbye: Who hypothetically hardbussed A50
Beefster: If he's a strongman jailkeeper
Bujaber
Marangal: If and only if she's scum with Not_Mafia.
So seeing as strongman makes me and Beefster useless and seeing as Bujaber is the hardest person among all of these to clear, we should lynch them in succession, then lynch N_M (to clear Marangal), then hopefully have some set of {me, the worst, Kthx} cleared as town to win LyLo.-
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@Gamma Emerald:Is the Carrot & Stick kill flavour game-relevant?-
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He couldn't have redirected both me and marangal on n1-
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Wait we're not lynching until the worst fullclaims-
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I mean then we just need more clears on those slots.
Lynch Beefster
the worst checks Marangal
Marangal holsters
Kthx follows Bujaber
Bujaber visits Kthxbye
Then either:
Not_Mafia checks anyone (should detect motion no matter what)
Mathdino protects the worst
or:
Not_Mafia checks Mathdino
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OK so if no one wants me to holster you guys accept that I'm never going to get cleared as town, and we let go of the "lynch Mathdino in Lylo" deal, yeah?-
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Kthx for the record the reason I'm not having you clear me is because you're the only one who can clear BuJaber-
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I like to be confirmed town as town.
Do you value the worst, Kthx, Not_Mafia, or InfernoBrafin more?
Just know that scum is probably going to shoot through my protection anyway just to fuck with me-
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It should probably be Not_Mafia clearing me so you're free to re-clear Marangal. This rules out the N_M/Marangal scumteam.
the worst, are you capable of saying beyond a shadow of a doubt that, for example, InfernoBrafin is town?
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I'm asking who I should protect in the scenario where I don't holster.-
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the worst, who are your options for clearing people tonight?
Marangal would probably be my ideal call-
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Okay well the jail went through.
VOTE: Beefster
the worst checks Marangal
Marangal holsters
Kthx follows Bujaber
Bujaber visits Kthxbye
Not_Mafia checks InfernoBrafin
Mathdino protects the worst
We're lynching Beefster by play rather than by mechanics, so I'm good with this. Reasonable argument for no-lynching but that seems nonideal.-
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The plan doesn't change.
the worst can only check people not performing night actions. Bujaber compulsively performs night actions. He can only check me or Marangal.
N_M did in fact motion detect Marangal, which leaves the option open that N_M is just scum with Marangal. Hence the second opinion.
We'll probably have to no-lynch at some point in order to get more clears, but c'est la vie.-
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the worst has already hard-cleared InfernoBrafin.-
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Hammertime guys
If I die tonight, force the worst to claim and lynch someone we don't have an inno on
InfernoBrafin should direct the night actions-
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In post 2321, Mathdino wrote:Okay well the jail went through.
VOTE: Beefster
the worst checks Marangal
Marangal holsters
Kthx follows Bujaber
Bujaber visits Kthxbye
Not_Mafia checks InfernoBrafin
Mathdino protects the worst
We're lynching Beefster by play rather than by mechanics, so I'm good with this. Reasonable argument for no-lynching but that seems nonideal.-
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You're the only role in this game that can check Bujaber. Clearing him is much more useful than clearing me right now.-
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Plus if he thinks he's going to get caught in the act, he's either going to
1. Not kill (in which case we can regroup)
2. Kill you, which sorts you and causes us to lynch him
I can be sorted by both the worst and Not_Mafia tomorrow night if I'm not dead.-
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Kthx and the worst are technically not cleared
But yes that's accurate-
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Kthx gladiating A50 almost makes sense honestly-
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Beef/Marangal: Yeah that works. Gonna have to lynch Beef to find out. the worst will confirm Marangal tonight.
Traitor: Don't ever assume themed games use normal roles.
9/4: Yes that's what I've been pushing for a while.-
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Ugh honestly this is pretty whack.
Mafia Jailkeeper/Strongman is just ridiculous.
It's just hard for me to see BuJaber as scum, even if he's clearly scum mechanically.-
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Mathdino Survivor
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So he's for sure Jailkeeper Strongman?