Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

Mathdino · Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:40 am

I'm mixing you up with BuJaber sorry

Mathdino · Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:03 pm

marangal can you do the honours?

a flip would really brighten my day

Mathdino · Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:03 pm

fuck ignore my dumb ass you're already voting

i have literally never played a game where i got the votecounts right except the one i modded

Mathdino · Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:33 pm

mod was posting in other games all day, must be scum

PLS HAMMER

Mathdino · Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:14 pm

AHAHAHAHAHA

Mathdino · Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:15 pm

A50 into mastina breaks this wide the fuck open
VOTE: A50
Probably don't speedlynch this

Mathdino · Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:52 am

The nightplan is fucking trivial if A50 is scum. It's actually trivial either way.

Killstoppers: Mathdino, Beefster, mastina
Investigatives: the worst, Not_Mafia, Kthxbye
Remaining: Bujaber, Marangal, IB

Night Plan Regardless Of What Happens

Mathdino guards Kthxbye
Beefster blocks mastina
mastina blocks Beefster
Kthx follows Not_Mafia
the worst checks InfernoBrafin (Ideally Bujaber, but IB if Bujaber won't work)
Not_Mafia motion detects Marangal
Marangal holsters
Bujaber visits... fuck idk, Mathdino

If a kill goes through and the worst, Kthx and N_M don't have guilties, the killer MUST be in {the worst, Bujaber} (or there's a strongman/ninja). If a kill doesn't go through, I'll be alive to talk about it.

Just gonna wait for the worst and maybe mastina to sign off on this.

I'm starting to question how the game is balanced around mafia traitor.

Are there 4 mafia? Third party?

acryon's flip and mastina's proposed scumteam in no way explain what happened last night, especially if A50 doesn't flip ascetic strongman.

Mathdino · Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:58 am

Would you be able to check Bujaber instead?

In other news, acryon/A50/Beefster doesn't work as a scumteam either (if A50 doesn't flip strongman) because Beefster is confirmed to have jailed Marangal.

But that's talk for another day.

Mathdino · Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:04 am

ok just check IB lol

Mathdino · Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:35 am

Correct, that's the issue

Mathdino · Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:30 am

Acryon claimed traitor by gladiating us
That much was clear
Those who defended him are still suspect

Like A50

Mathdino · Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:32 am

In fact I see it as more likely acryon didn't know the scumteam considering he gladiated his 2 strongest townreads
I think he was trying to avoid a d1 scum lynch

Mathdino · Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:41 am

Not_Mafia might not have known acryon was scum tho
He shouldn't have waited til after the flip to provide that info

Mastina can still be scum ftr

Mathdino · Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:57 am

In post 2199, Momrangal wrote:Possible but like, I am under the assumption that traitor is informed and the scum team is informed of there being one, but not who it is.

calling scumteam as A50/beefster still
mafia ascetic strongman + mafia jailkeeper

any scumteam that doesn't account for iconeum getting wasted is a bad one though

not_mafia likely to actually be motion detector
IB is probably locktown and the worst can check that
the worst is more likely to just die tbh
kthx is confirmed follower

so mastina roleblocked me or A50 is the strongman
them gladiating each other is consistent with that

Mathdino · Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:05 am

InfernoBrafin, I've literally never seen the "standard" JOAT in any theme game. The wiki is based on 10-year-old mod meta.

Please please don't try to determine alignment based on role. There are better arguments to be made, and better things to spend our time on (in fact more than a paragraph in response to this post is going to be wasted time; no one expects every JOAT to be a cop/vig/roleblocker).

Mathdino · Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:25 am

In post 2207, InfernoBrafin wrote:I'm on post #790, and I'd like to say a few things.
KTB is prob town because of the whole No-lynch thing.
Mom's quickvote on Ico has me concerned. So does Bu's.
Bu also has what appears to be faked confusion in an interaction with TW. Not sure why.

So if you don't terribly mind a bit of critique

You kind of have the opposite problem of mastina with your catchup. While she overexplains and overdramatises everything while dumping walls of logic and flair on every event involving anyone else

you're kind of just saying things to show you're still with us, you're still catching up, and you have relevant thoughts, but they're not actually adding anything to the gamestate.

- Multiple people tried to "no lynch", you don't explain here what's any townier about Kthx's NL vote. In fact, I think it's scummier than anyone else's.
- Link us to the vote. You also fail to explain what scum motivation there is in Marangal and Bujaber going for the difficult lynch (Iconeum) over the relatively easy lynch (me).
- What? What faked confusion? If you tell us why, we might be able to help you.

- And in order for me to go back and check your work, I have to go manually find post 790, when you could use quotes or the [ post ][ /post ] tags to immediately link us there.

This is combined with your fixation over relatively minor setup-based things (like mastina's JOAT claim) that can really just be factchecked by asking anyone who's played 1 or 2 theme games on this site.
Like your hydra partner. Who you know is trustworthy.

I guess what I'm saying is a lot of what you're posting belongs in your hydra chats rather than the thread, until
A. You want to get second opinions on things (in which case you should be opening up discussions)
B. You want to actually start pushing a case/theory/narrative (in which case you should catch up first).

Mathdino · Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:11 pm

all of that sounds consistent with the idea of a lynchpool of {A50, mastina, Beefster} for the next few days barring any shenanigans

so i guess i'm ready for the lynch once A50 pops in and admits his folly of not being on the acryon wagon

Mathdino · Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:09 am

This is a win if I've ever seen one.

Setup's a bit townsided I'll admit.

It's lowkey possible we have 2 scum left so don't get too complacent I guess.

Mathdino · Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:11 am

Protectives:
Mathdino guards Kthxbye
mastina blocks Beefster
Beefster jails mastina

Investigatives:
the worst checks InfernoBrafin
Kthx follows Not_Mafia
Not_Mafia motion detects Marangal

Others:
Bujaber visits Mathdino
Marangal holsters
InfernoBrafin holsters

Bujaber can still be the endgame scum, so watch out for that (although it'd be hilariously imbalanced if he was the 3rd scum, I'm talkin 4th).

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:08 am

@the worst:

Confirm InfernoBrafin is town?

@Kthxbye:

Confirm Not_Mafia's night action?

@Not_Mafia:

Confirm no movement from Marangal?

Scum have a strongman no matter what, assuming mastina's night action went through. Either Beefster performed the strongman kill and is also a mafia jailkeeper who jailed Marangal, or someone shot straight through Beefster's protection.

Assuming innocents from everyone, that means we have:

Confirmed didn't do the nightkill: InfernoBrafin, Not_Mafia, Ms Marangal

Remaining:
Beefster: Confirmed jailkeeper
the worst: Unconfirmed, needs to claim
Bujaber: Unconfirmed compulsive visitor
Kthx: Semi-confirmed follower
Mathdino: Unconfirmed Bodyguard

VOTE: Bujaber

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:55 am

I think on Bujaber lynch we can do the following to clear the rest:

Beefster holsters (jailkeeper is fucking useless now)
Mathdino holsters (bodyguard is also useless)
the worst checks Beefster
Kthxbye checks Beefster
Not_Mafia checks Mathdino

Marangal and IB roles are now useless and are our LyLo with Not_Mafia if there's 4 scum.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:10 am

In post 2132, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Votecount 2.6(2)
Almost50
:
Carrot and Stick
, BuJaber
(3)
Carrot and Stick
:
Not_Mafia
,
Almost50
,
acryon

(6) acryon: Mathdino, Kthxbye,
Momrangal
,
InfernoBrafin
, the worst, Beefster

In post 2230, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Votecount 2.7(6) Almost50: Mathdino, Beefster, the worst, BuJaber, Kthxbye,
Almost50

(0) Not voting:
Momrangal
,
InfernoBrafin
,
Not_Mafia
,
Carrot and Stick

Hilariously, scum bussed no matter what here.

At this point it's just lynching the people late to the parties.

Kthx called the guilty on A50 and was one of the first on acryon. I could definitely see Kthx "confirming" himself as a softbus plan with A50, but the force with which he went in on that makes that a bit unlikely.

Beefster was late on acryon. Viable partner.

Bujaber was late on both. Probably the correct lynch today.

the worst I'd have to take a closer look at. Was late on acryon but gung ho on A50.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:41 pm

In post 2237, Not_Mafia wrote:No movement on mom

Here.

Can we lynch Bujaber now?

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:44 pm

On reconsideration, I'd also be somewhat open to lynching Beefster (since jailkeeper does nothing).

This creates a nightplan of:
Mathdino holsters
Kthxbye follows Bujaber
the worst checks Mathdino
Not_Mafia checks InfernoBrafin

Lynching Bujaber is mechanically superior because "compulsive visitor" is a weird role that doesn't seem like it would have a result for the Follower, and Not_Mafia doesn't really have anything useful to do in this instance. Unless we want to do an alternate plan of the worst checking Marangal and Not_Mafia motion detecting me, which also works.

But Beefster is probably scummier by play, so w/e.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:45 pm

In post 2241, Kthxbye wrote:Also, call me setup spec scared, but I'm not sure town gets 3 investigates even WITH investigation immune goon. Maybe I'm just paranoid...

It's not at all unlikely that there's 4 mafia.

That just requires a double bus.

Either way that group of 5 I posted MUST contain a strongman. Once we get our strongman flip, we reevaluate.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:56 pm

My power means nothing. Scum used their strongman on N1 and N2. I'm much better off holstering and allowing myself to be cleared by Not_Mafia.

If we double up you and the worst on Beefster (or whoever else), we can ensure a result even if scum kills one of you.

Game balance is either 4 mafia (in which case Not_Mafia is fucking clearly the 4th scum) or just thinks that a mafia strongman will neuter all the protectives and roleblockers.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:02 pm

In post 2248, Kthxbye wrote:I'd be up for a Beefster lynch at this point from a pure setup spec standpoint. If a JK can't keep a strongman from killing and scum have a strongman AND a JK can't stop non killing actions from targeting them or their targets, it just doesn't make sense in this game.

If Beefster was scum, does that take away the idea of a strongman with what claims have come out?

Beefster is confirmed to have jailed Marangal N1, because her action didn't go through. He couldn't have jailed me in order to get to Iconeum.

Since mastina flipped town, that means scum is either

A. Strongman
B. Roleblocker
C. Asceticizer?
D. Alien???

C and D are longshots. It's more likely that scum just strongman killed Iconeum and mastina. If Beefster is scum (and if there's 3 scum), he's a strongman jailkeeper.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:04 pm

In post 2249, Kthxbye wrote:If you are BG and you BG me, I can clear you of all doubt. That is a bonus going forward for sure. I'm more than a little worried about scum killing CS and not you considering...

Again, BGing you does absolutely nothing, because if I'm scum, I'll just shoot you, and if scum have their strongman left, they'll ALSO shoot you through my protection.

My bodyguard is absolutely useless with the roles remaining. I should not be using it.

I believe I'm alive because my reads on the 3rd scum were shit. Tbh that heavily implicates the worst, but he can be lynched before LyLo if it comes to that.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:07 pm

good call scumpartner

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:31 pm

In post 2254, Kthxbye wrote:did scum not kill you to simply make the rest of us (or me anyway) ask the question as to why? Your reads of the 3rd scum being shit or not, killing CS doesn't make any sense unless...

mastina blocks Beefster
Beefster jails mastina

This implicates Beefster....except it's been said that strongman is something scum have had for a long time. So, again, makes no sense to kill CS because if it's assumed there's a strongman, this negates the implication that Beefster is scum for the kill going through.

So.....

Even though your power is useless with a strongman in the mix, it doesn't matter if you holster it or use it so I can clear you. If I die from strongman, so be it. If NM is town, can can simply watch me to see who else visits me other than you and you are cleared and scum is caught caught. If nobody visits me, I will get a message saying you actually are our savior. It'd make me feel a lot better going forward.

the worst's investigative relies on me not performing a night action.

In post 2255, Kthxbye wrote:also, if scum kill you, you will have gotten your wish to die ASAP.

tbh, mom lynch here makes me the most comfortable.

VOTE: momrangal

The ONLY way Marangal is scum here is if Marangal/Not_Mafia is straight up the scumteam.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:30 pm

I have no goddamn clue tbh

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:17 pm

I asked Gamma; in the case that a roleblocker and a jailkeeper targeted each other, neither would be able to perform a factional kill.

Obviously that doesn't answer whether the protection goes through, but we'll see.

Kthx are you definitively arguing that Marangal/Not_Mafia is the scumteam? Because if not, you should be voting Beefster or Bujaber here. I'm pretty confident Marangal is town.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:21 pm

In post 1351, Mathdino wrote:
Votecount 2.1

Kthxbye(5)
~ Beefster(20), acryon(12), Momrangal(58), Not_Mafia(44), Almost50(27)

Almost50(3)
~ Mathdino(49), Kthxbye(27), BuJaber(30)

acryon(1)
~ Carrot and Stick(43)

Not Voting (2): InfernoBrafin(6), the worst(14)

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2018-03-18 14:15:00)

Beefster, acryon, Marangal, N_M, and A50 on here. Bujaber actually had the opportunity to hammer Kthx. So did I. And so did the worst.

We might actually have to lynch Beefster instead.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:30 pm

Okay so lemme think. Beefster is clearly the scummiest person by a mile in terms of play besides Not_Mafia, who has already been cleared. Problem is him being scum requires mafia jailkeeper, which is a bit iffy.

Not_Mafia and Marangal are either both town or are both scum (or there's 4 scum and someone other than the two of them did the nightkill). We could resolve that situation by lynching Marangal, who could've had some kind of investigative role that got blocked by Beefster (forcing her to come up with a messenger fakeclaim). If she's scum, lynching Not_Mafia wins the game. If she's town:

Beefster/Mathdino holster
the worst checks Beefster
Kthxbye checks Bujaber
Not_Mafia checks Mathdino

This actually works pretty well. Alternatively, if you guys are okay with me not being checked, we can just lynch Not_Mafia, keep Marangal alive, and I'll go ahead and guard Kthxbye.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:36 pm

Beefster confirmed blocked Marangals message sending on N1. So he definitely has the actual ability to roleblock. The problem is that still doesn't explain how Iconeum got shot.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:47 pm

In post 2273, Kthxbye wrote:it's out of the question that Beef and Mom are the team?

Would require Beefster being a mafia strongman jailkeeper and Marangal being a mafia messenger, so no it's not out of the question, but that would be pretty fuckin freaky.

In post 2274, Kthxbye wrote:uhg...do we have a consolidated claimed action/resolution list somewhere? My head hurts.

N1:
mastina ??? (probably rolecopped me)
Beefster jails Marangal
Marangal messages mastina (fails)
the worst checks Iconeum, town
Mathdino protects Iconeum
Not_Mafia checks acryon, no motion
Kthxbye checks Almost50, no result
Some jackass strongman-kills Iconeum

N2:
mastina roleblocks Beefster
Beefster jails mastina
the worst checks InfernoBrafin, town
Kthxbye checks Not_Mafia, did not kill
Not_Mafia checks Marangal, no motion
Some jackass strongman-kills mastina

Protectives: Mathdino (Bodyguard), Beefster (Jailkeeper)
Investigatives: the worst (unknown), Kthxbye (Follower), Not_Mafia (Motion Detector)
Miscellaneous: InfernoBrafin (Conftown), Marangal (Messenger), Bujaber (Compulsive Visitor)

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:52 pm

I mean we have 4 lynches and an insane amount of night actions to figure this shit out.

So at this point I just want a claim from the worst so we can lynch anyone in {Beefster, Bujaber, Not_Mafia, Marangal}.

the worst is the only one that can actually clear townies, which is good because we just have to identify people he's not scum with and have him clear them.
Kthx and Not_Mafia can identify who didn't perform the kill.
The kill was 100% performed by one of the following:
Mathdino: If anyone seriously scumreads me
the worst: Pls claim
Kthxbye: Who hypothetically hardbussed A50
Beefster: If he's a strongman jailkeeper
Bujaber
Marangal: If and only if she's scum with Not_Mafia.

So seeing as strongman makes me and Beefster useless and seeing as Bujaber is the hardest person among all of these to clear, we should lynch them in succession, then lynch N_M (to clear Marangal), then hopefully have some set of {me, the worst, Kthx} cleared as town to win LyLo.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:24 pm

@Gamma Emerald:

Is the Carrot & Stick kill flavour game-relevant?

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:49 pm

Redirector

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:49 pm

He couldn't have redirected both me and marangal on n1

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:01 pm

Wait we're not lynching until the worst fullclaims

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:28 pm

I mean then we just need more clears on those slots.

Lynch Beefster
the worst checks Marangal
Marangal holsters
Kthx follows Bujaber
Bujaber visits Kthxbye

Then either:
Not_Mafia checks anyone (should detect motion no matter what)
Mathdino protects the worst

or:
Not_Mafia checks Mathdino
Mathdino holsters

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:18 pm

OK so if no one wants me to holster you guys accept that I'm never going to get cleared as town, and we let go of the "lynch Mathdino in Lylo" deal, yeah?

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:19 pm

Kthx for the record the reason I'm not having you clear me is because you're the only one who can clear BuJaber

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:35 pm

I like to be confirmed town as town.

Do you value the worst, Kthx, Not_Mafia, or InfernoBrafin more?

Just know that scum is probably going to shoot through my protection anyway just to fuck with me

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:45 pm

It should probably be Not_Mafia clearing me so you're free to re-clear Marangal. This rules out the N_M/Marangal scumteam.

the worst, are you capable of saying beyond a shadow of a doubt that, for example, InfernoBrafin is town?

Are there any scenarios in which you can get a false inno?

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:46 pm

I'm asking who I should protect in the scenario where I don't holster.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:01 pm

the worst, who are your options for clearing people tonight?

Marangal would probably be my ideal call

Mathdino · Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:04 am

Okay well the jail went through.

VOTE: Beefster
the worst checks Marangal
Marangal holsters
Kthx follows Bujaber
Bujaber visits Kthxbye
Not_Mafia checks InfernoBrafin
Mathdino protects the worst

We're lynching Beefster by play rather than by mechanics, so I'm good with this. Reasonable argument for no-lynching but that seems nonideal.

Mathdino · Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:41 am

The plan doesn't change.

the worst can only check people not performing night actions. Bujaber compulsively performs night actions. He can only check me or Marangal.

N_M did in fact motion detect Marangal, which leaves the option open that N_M is just scum with Marangal. Hence the second opinion.

We'll probably have to no-lynch at some point in order to get more clears, but c'est la vie.

Mathdino · Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:08 am

the worst has already hard-cleared InfernoBrafin.

Mathdino · Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:07 am

Hammertime guys
If I die tonight, force the worst to claim and lynch someone we don't have an inno on
InfernoBrafin should direct the night actions

Mathdino · Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:09 am

In post 2321, Mathdino wrote:Okay well the jail went through.

VOTE: Beefster
the worst checks Marangal
Marangal holsters
Kthx follows Bujaber
Bujaber visits Kthxbye
Not_Mafia checks InfernoBrafin
Mathdino protects the worst

We're lynching Beefster by play rather than by mechanics, so I'm good with this. Reasonable argument for no-lynching but that seems nonideal.

Mathdino · Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:16 pm

You're the only role in this game that can check Bujaber. Clearing him is much more useful than clearing me right now.

Mathdino · Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:17 pm

Plus if he thinks he's going to get caught in the act, he's either going to
1. Not kill (in which case we can regroup)
2. Kill you, which sorts you and causes us to lynch him

I can be sorted by both the worst and Not_Mafia tomorrow night if I'm not dead.

Mathdino · Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:19 pm

Kthx and the worst are technically not cleared
But yes that's accurate

Mathdino · Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:48 pm

Kthx gladiating A50 almost makes sense honestly

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:48 am

Beef/Marangal: Yeah that works. Gonna have to lynch Beef to find out. the worst will confirm Marangal tonight.

Traitor: Don't ever assume themed games use normal roles.

9/4: Yes that's what I've been pushing for a while.

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:50 am

Ugh honestly this is pretty whack.

Mafia Jailkeeper/Strongman is just ridiculous.

It's just hard for me to see BuJaber as scum, even if he's clearly scum mechanically.

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:06 am

So he's for sure Jailkeeper Strongman?

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:11 am

In post 2349, Momrangal wrote:Mod already confirmed that scum can't kill and use an ability (I think) and if he was strongman, he has been doing the kills each night. N2, he couldn't have because he targeted me so he isn't strongman for sure

The mod never said this. Scum can absolutely perform a factional kill and perform night actions.

@Mod: Please confirm that a mafia power role can both perform a night action and perform the factional kill.

This is either a major townslip or a major scumslip.

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:23 am

ok but compulsive visitor is such a bullshit claim though

also recall that he claimed that many many pages after i suggested that could be his role

all he said originally was "I'm a VT unless tracked"

what the fuck is the point of a compulsive visitor in a setup where the only role that could possibly interact with him is follower

VOTE: Bujaber

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:32 am

I'm not doing a lolcase here.

@People voting Beefster:

Go pull up Bujaber's ISO, and Ctrl+F instances of "a50" and "almost50". He's claiming credit for a scumread that was borrowed from me and Kthxbye. He never hardpushed A50 until the guilty, the moment when we were all on the lookout for people going after Kthxbye. Upon actually fucking reading for once in my life, I believe his scumread of A50 was alignment informed.

Not to mention that if he's a strongman, saying "Let's lynch Mathdino if he's not dead by endgame" is transparently pro-scum, because scum can always just shoot through my protection.

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:09 am

none of the rest of our roles are at all trollish in nature

town backup JOAT paired with a town JOAT, no trolls
town messenger, pretty normal role
mafia "investigation immune goon" is the least interesting thing to call a role like that
investigatives are follower, motion detector, and whatever the fuck the worst is

"compulsive visitor" is a pathetic excuse for why the worst can't clear him, not_mafia can't clear him, and kthx is apparently the only one who can

VOTE: Bujaber
let's go guys we need to end the day
beefster's play today has been clearly townish and marangal drives a good point

Protectives:
Beefster holsters
Mathdino holsters

Investigatives:
the worst checks Beefster
Kthx checks Beefster
Not_Mafia checks Mathdino

Miscellaneous:
Marangal messages the worst

This plan definitively clears Beefster and me, and forces scum to kill in {Beefster, Not_Mafia, Mathdino, InfernoBrafin}. Killing Beefster to nullify worst/Kthx's invest results, killing Not_Mafia to remove the Mathdino result, killing IB to remove a townie, and killing me to nullify Not_Mafia's result.

Most likely, scum no-kills in this situation.

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:14 am

why are you not claiming dude

is it for actual game relevant purposes

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:15 am

In post 2358, the worst wrote:Would Kthx alone not be able to clear Beefster?

beefster-scum just kills kthx to nix the result

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:16 am

having both of you publicly target the same person is basically a way to ensure you both live through the night

or if you don't, at least we'll have our town result on beefster

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:17 am

can you promise to claim on D5 at the very latest

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:22 am

In that case, can you promise to claim tomorrow?

Spoiler: VoteCount Settings

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:30 am

Votecount 3.1

BuJaber(4)

~ Beefster(13), Momrangal(8), Mathdino(50), the worst(13)

Beefster(3)

~ Kthxbye(23), BuJaber(19), Not_Mafia(6)

Not Voting (2): InfernoBrafin(1)

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2018-03-26 18:05:00)

Spoiler: VoteCount Settings

Wagon data incoming.

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:42 am

WAGONS(Sort By: Alphabetical Data Type: Simple LSort: On)Note from vote counter. These votes include any vote on or off that impacted said wagon.

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Spoiler: Day 4

Gamma's online. Lynch anyone who doesn't follow the plan.

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:01 pm

HELLO
I CAN'T BE TOWNCLEARED UNLESS I HOLSTER
WHAT POSITIVE EFFECT DO YOU SPECIFICALLY THINK CAN COME FROM MY NIGHT ACTION

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:06 pm

DUDE
NOT MAFIA WILL ALWAYS DETECT MOTION
The whole point is that nm has to be the only person targeting a player
Jesus dude

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:07 pm

Also that plan kills the worst
Any scum would just kill TW in that situation

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:08 pm

Why do you not trust Not_Mafias result on me, yet trust your own?

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:11 pm

I am not targeting anyone tonight, that's final
Scum has a fucking bodyguard, it's literally anti town for me to target
Kthx if you get killed while targeting me and Not_Mafia calls a guilty on me, my mislynch is on your head
Let Not_Mafia clear ke
You need to clear Beefster just in case the worst gets shot

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:12 pm

In post 2380, Mathdino wrote:Scum has a fucking bodyguard

Strongman lol
Meant "I am a fucking bodyguard when scum has a strongman"

Point is, Not_Mafia clears me, and if he dies, we'll take another look at clearing me

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:16 pm

I'm obviously not a bodyguard strongman lol
Scum is confirmed to have a strongman because they shot through beefsters protection

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:29 pm

That still doesn't explain Iconeum getting shot.

You're good with checking me tonight yeah?

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:37 pm

i'm lynching you if you keep coming up with shit plans

not_mafia's entire role is useless if he targets someone that someone else is targeting

not_mafia must be the ONLY person targeting his target
i think you legitimately don't understand what a motion detector is

re: you targeting beefster: yes, that's the whole point, if you get no result and scum still kills, that clears beefster as town

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:38 pm

In post 2390, Kthxbye wrote:Protectives:
Beefster holsters
Mathdino BGs IDGAF

Investigatives:
the worst checks Beefster
Kthx checks Mathdino
Not_Mafia checks Beefster

Miscellaneous:
Marangal messages the worst

This makes it optimal play for any scum to just strongman kill the worst.

Think. If Beefster is scum here, he kills the worst, yes?

Then Not_Mafia gets a result of "motion detected", but because the worst is targeting Beefster already, he gets motion detected no matter what!

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:39 pm

tl;dr please stop fucking up not_mafia's night action

my night plans have already cleared 2 townies

the fact that you are more obsessed with clearing me over beefster is absolutely inane

i can get confirmed tomorrow night

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:41 pm

Look dude
I am already finalising my decision to not do anything, so Not_Mafia can clear me by getting a result of "no motion detected".

If you target me, you are actively fucking up my ability to be cleared.

Not_Mafia, the worst, and I are already on board with the plan as I wrote it. If you do anything else tonight, a town loss is on your head. It doesn't work if not everyone agrees to it.

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:41 pm

In post 2396, Kthxbye wrote:Do you not understand that I will get NO FUCKING RESULT FROM TARGETING A PLAYER WHO TAKES NO ACTION?! I'm beginning to think you legitimately don't understand what a follower is.

I developed a Follower fakeclaim once as scum.

If someone dies at night, and you get "no result" on your target, what does that tell you?

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:43 pm

In post 2398, Kthxbye wrote:
In post 2392, Mathdino wrote:re: you targeting beefster: yes, that's the whole point, if you get no result and scum still kills, that clears beefster as town
walk me through this? how? how does this clear him as town if there are 4 mafia in play?

If there are 4 mafia in play, ideally the worst will be able to clear him anyway.

If the worst dies, then we still have your result on Beefster, and can start narrowing down who was able to do the nightkill last night, which is the most important question here.

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:45 pm

Kthx, any positive utility you think you get from doing your plan over mine (which clears Beefster and me, just like you wanted) is FAR less than the negative utility of you being the only person tonight who doesn't follow the plan.

If you are the only person who doesn't follow the plan tonight, it is very possible that we lose because of you.

The hammer was already posted, Gamma just needs to come and lock the thread. We don't have time for others to confirm that they prefer your plan. I have been the de facto nightplan creator.

I promise you that I will be cleared tonight or tomorrow night. Just target Beefster so we actually get a fucking result on him if the worst dies.

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:45 pm

In post 2401, Kthxbye wrote:
In post 2397, Mathdino wrote:I am already finalising my decision to not do anything, so Not_Mafia can clear me by getting a result of "no motion detected".
THIS DOES NOT CLEAR YOU IT JUST MEANS YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING!

What the fuck mafia team do you think I'm on then?

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:49 pm

I'll do your setup spec for you.

Mathdino-scum means he never actually protected Iconeum, yet scum still shot through Beefster's protection of mastina.

List of scumteams available:
Mathdino/Beefster: This is a consistent team that can be disproven tonight by having all 3 investigatives target the two of us. This ONLY works under my plan. Your plan is definitively unable to rule out this scumteam.
Mathdino/the worst: This would make the worst a strongman. Theoretically possible.
Mathdino/Bujaber: Bujaber's fucking dying so you're good in this situation.
Mathdino/InfernoBrafin: Literally impossible because the worst towncleared IB.
Mathdino/Marangal: Theoretically possible, requires me to be a scum strongman AND for Marangal to be a scum messenger who was blocked by Beefster AND faked multiple townslips.
Mathdino/Not_Mafia: Requires me to be a scum strongman. We can literally lynch Not_Mafia tomorrow if this makes you happy. His role becomes effectively useless tomorrow so I'm kinda planning to do this anyway.

Mathdino · Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:50 pm

In post 2404, Kthxbye wrote:For the record, the "I told you so" will come from not clearing a claimed BG who 'wants to die as soon a possible' yet never dies.

I can't die if there's a scum strongman. That's my point. I have no control over whether or not I die. I believe the strongman was put in place to balance out the 3 protectives and 2 roleblocks.

PLUS I WILL BE CLEARED TONIGHT UNDER THE ASSUMPTION OF 3 MAFIA

If there are 4 mafia, my partner MUST be either Marangal or Not_Mafia.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:45 am

Kthx, that is why I wanted you off me.

Not_Mafia, confirm no movement from me?

the worst, confirm Beefster as town?

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:20 am

god help us

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:25 am

because acryon literally gladiated me with fucking iconeum while there was a sizable portion of the game willing to lynch me

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:33 am

unvote while i'm video gaming so you don't game throw

this is mylo

if there's a 2 person scumteam they quicklynch with one more vote on me

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:33 am

*this is hypotehtically mylo

we don't even have results from anyone

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:34 am

inferno i swear your reads are literally consistently worse than random

unvote now

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:35 am

if i'm scum, i'm not getting quicklynched no matter what

but i'm town and 2 scum + 1 bad town have the ability to quicklynch me

there is no positive value to you keeping your vote there

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:39 am

i'm literally playing a shooter right now i don't have time to wallpost

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:43 am

In post 2415, InfernoBrafin wrote:Mhmm.

Tell us, Math, why that doesn't make sense.

Okay here.

You're confirmed town, and Marangal is close to conftown by way of townslip.

If I have a partner, it's one of the following:
the worst
Beefster
Not_Mafia

the worst is going to have a result on Beefster. If Beefster is conftown, I'm planning on lynching N_M. If Beefster is NOT conftown, we lynch him and you can have me checked all you want.

So if you want to lynch me today rather than my hypothetical scumbuddy, you better have a damn good case on why it's me/the worst.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:44 am

Scumslips don't happen. I always act as if the worst case scenario is happening (and I'm on record for this in a bunch of games). I considered Kthx as a busplay but his townflip makes me reasonably certain there's either 2 scum, or Beefster is literally the last scum.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:45 am

The point here is that in a situation where you have 2 results on who DIDN'T perform the nightkill, it's absolutely ridiculous to lynch someone who's essentially confirmed not to have performed the kill.

We know for CERTAIN that there's either a strongman, or the scumteam is literally me/Beefster (which would explain both the Icon/mastina kills).

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:48 am

I have a 100% success rate on reading Almost50, and bussing him from basically the point where he replaced in would be horrible play, especially when I could've easily lynched mastina with him.

Instead I lynched two scum in a row while there was enough pushback to reasonably lynch elsewhere, while taking a deal to be autolynched if I was alive and not cleared by LyLo.

Consider that 4 scum could immediately win the game by lynching two town in a row on that double day.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:50 am

In post 2432, InfernoBrafin wrote:
Inferno:

So this all revolves around the idea tat Beefster has to be conftown? That's mighty convenient.

p-edit: Except that confrims nothing, becasue YOU could be the strongman and be partners with N_M.
There are ways for you to be scum that you are not giving.

I already told you that if Beefster is cleared, I'm lynching Not_Mafia anyway.

If Beefster is NOT cleared, we lynch Beefster for literally being confscum.

So who exactly is my partner, and why would you lynch me today when there's about to be a clear on me affirming that I didn't perform the kill?

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:53 am

I don't know what it's going to take to convince you guys how abjectly awful your play has been this game tbh. Like I literally followed that last newbie game just to watch the shitshow. I have basically never seen a situation where either of your reads was high enough above literally rolling the dice to follow them over mechanically correct plays.

So the question here is basically this: Are you willing to trust your own reads above literal investigations?

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:54 am

I'll say it again.
If Beefster is cleared, I will lynch Not_Mafia.
If Beefster is not cleared, I will lynch Beefster.

So why the fuck. Would you lynch me today.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:02 pm

Came from town when RadiantCowbells did it but the both of you were so far up your own asses about your reads being hot shit.

You didn't solve that game at all. I argued this in the dead thread. You were right for godawful reasons. You don't understand mechanics, lol.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:15 pm

In post 2439, InfernoBrafin wrote:Because something tells me that Beefster is not going to come back as conftown, and you know it.

SO WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO LYNCH ME OVER BEEFSTER

Suppose I'm scum.

You will KNOW for 100% certain which of Beefster and Not_Mafia is my scumbuddy based on the worst's result. Either you trust his result (and I'm right) or you don't trust his result (and I'm scum with him).

The next night action plan if the game isn't fucking over by then is to have the worst clear yet another townie while I guard him. Ideally Not_Mafia can also clear someone. By tomorrow, the game is won.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:21 pm

again consider that had i pushed through 2 mislynches on that double day with my 3 scumbuddies and mastina AND literally any bad townie that was willing to sheep me

we could have immediately won right then and there

you literally think i'm scum for being right about A50

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:23 pm

how likely is it that the scumteam is just beefster/not_mafia here

one investigative
one protective
one investigation immune
one traitor

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:41 pm

Hey Marangal convince me it's not Beefster/the worst
Because if it is we're about to get snowed

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:46 pm

OK but that situation also screws us because one of them just claims a guilty

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:47 pm

Like I kinda have to agree that it makes no sense for Beefster to jail you

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:35 pm

He needs to claim for this game to continue

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:54 pm

OHHHHHHH

Jesus christ I'm an idiot. Should've called that one.

VOTE: Beefster

Beefster jailed you and killed Kthx to nix the result.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:55 pm

Why did it matter whether or not people did night actions? You acted like you couldn't get a result on Bujaber; that was a primary reason I chose to lynch him over Beefster.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:58 pm

UNVOTE:

wait a second

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:03 pm

So here's the deal. This game has either 1 or 2 mafia remaining.

If there is 1 mafia remaining, it is confirmed to be Beefster.

Therefore if we lynch town today and the game isn't over by tomorrow, we autolynch Beefster. I think this is something we can all agree on.

So we should act as if there's 2 mafia remaining. Find all the possible scumteams and lynch once we've ruled out some of them.

If we assume Marangal townslipped earlier, scumteams available are:
Mathdino/TW (massive fakeclaim plan)
Mathdino/Beefster (Beefster jailkeeper, Mathdino anything)
Mathdino/Not_Mafia (Mathdino strongman, N_M roleblocker)
TW/Beefster (TW strongman, Beefster jailkeeper)
TW/Not_Mafia (TW strongman, N_M anything)
TW/IB (TW strongman, IB double-dayer)
Beefster/Not_Mafia (Beefster jailkeeper, N_M strongman)

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:04 pm

Not_Mafia's result will narrow down a lot here.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:11 pm

In post 2349, Momrangal wrote:Mod already confirmed that scum can't kill and use an ability (I think) and if he was strongman, he has been doing the kills each night. N2, he couldn't have because he targeted me so he isn't strongman for sure

@Marangal:

Have you ever faked a townslip before?

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:29 pm

In post 2474, the worst wrote:I'll be less of a lazy ass at lunch I promise.

Assume a Mom/Beef scumteam for sake of argument.

Is there any night action so far which indicates that the same person both used their action AND killed?

Has anyone received a message from Mom?

I don't personally give a shit about the answer to this question on the basis that FMPOV and assuming you're town, the only possible scumteams are Beefster/Not_Mafia and Beefster/Marangal, making Beefster the only non-brain-dead lynch.

In the case of Beefster/Marangal, no, Marangal could be killing while claiming Beefster is jailing her. This setup doesn't actually require a strongman; Beefster could block me N1 while Marangal does the kill, and Marangal could just do the kill herself on N2.

So I guess that works.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:49 pm

UNVOTE:

Fullclaim.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:10 pm

No, because I literally sent the mod a PM saying I wasn't doing anything last night.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:18 pm

Which is why I'm asking him to fullclaim. He's obviously not going to stick to the motion detector claim if he claims to know I did a thing last night.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:36 pm

Everything Not_Mafia ever says is reachy.

The point is, regardless of what his claim is, he's hardclaiming a guilty on me.

Beefster was provably tied up jailing you. So unless the scumteam is literally you/Beefster fucking up N_M's night action, it's between me and Not_Mafia.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

I presented a scumcase on him a few times throughout the game. the worst should recognise this as very similar to his scumgame in Stack the Deck. The only thing that was making me townread him was the insistence that acryon was locktown, but if scum didn't know who the traitor was, that's easily nullifiable. Tbh I also townread the fact that he wagoned with acryon and A50 at literally every point possible (assumed scum wouldn't be that ballsy), but it's also Not_Mafia.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:36 pm

In post 2488, the worst wrote:I don't think I can really read Beef with any kind of accuracy.. Does anyone have first hand experience with him as scum?

I do.

I don't have a strong read on him. His play has been scum motivated though.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:42 pm

UNVOTE:

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:47 pm

I'm still alive because:

N1. Iconeum was obvtown/neverlynchable and scumteam wanted to fuck with my bodyguarding.

N2. I don't know why the fuck mastina was killed but I sure as hell wouldn't kill her of all people while she was hardtownreading me. My scumplay is to kill confirmed town, not mislynchables or people who townread me.

N3. Kthx was killed to completely negate any possible results on Beefster.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:49 pm

In post 2494, Not_Mafia wrote:It's probably just Beef? I still feel like we're missing some crucial aspect of the set-up, but I don't know what it is so I'm liable to just sheep Math

We're definitely missing something.

If scum is Beefster alone, these are the night actions:

N1. Beefster strongman kills Iconeum AND jails Marangal

N2. Beefster strongman kills mastina (and can't jail because roleblocked)

N3. Beefster kills Kthxbye and jails the worst.

This seems ludicrous.

Beefster, flavourclaim?

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:03 pm

We 100% should be lynching someone who is part of a theoretical scumteam.

If Beefster is part of all valid scumteams, great, we can do that.

The only counter to that FMPOV is a the worst/Not_Mafia scumteam. the worst fakes a soft guilty on Beefster, kills Kthx (to ensure no result), and N_M fakes an innocent on me to pocket me.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:08 pm

FMPOV I need to lynch either Beefster or Not_Mafia.

From your POV, either Beefster is literally the scum, or a N_M/Marangal scumteam framed him by blocking you somehow.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:03 pm

Shit. Yeah that checks out. I still think it's unlikely mod puts THREE ROLEBLOCKERS in the setup but I need to do some mod meta to figure this one out.

In that case, it's just obviously Not_Mafia. He could even be the lone mafia left if he's roleblocker.

I just need to confirm that the scumteam isn't Beefster/the worst or Beefster/Marangal. If not, Not_Mafia is the correct lynch today. His lynch order would've had to be either
Beefster --> the worst
or
Beefster --> Mathdino

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:15 pm

no i got it

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:21 pm

No one has, because I had her holster in order to get motion detect cleared by Not_Mafia. She presumably would've been willing to send a message otherwise.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:23 pm

Keep in mind that she claimed a message went through to mastina until mastina deconfirmed it AND Beefster claimed the jailkeep on her.

So the only possible scumpartner Marangal can have is Beefster.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:29 pm

Day 1:
acryon gladiates Iconeum/Mathdino

Night 1:
Not_Mafia motion detects acryon: detects no motion
Beefster jails Momrangal
Mathdino guards Iconeum
Momrangal messages Carrot: fails
BuJaber visits whoever
the worst checks Iconeum
Kthxbye follows Almost50: no result
TheGoldenParadox hides behind Iconeum: dies
Carrot ?????? (cookies for anyone who can actually figure out Carrot's night action, because I suspect they rolecopped me)
InfernoBrafin, Iconeum, acryon, do nothing

Iconeum dies

Day 2:
InfernoBrafin uses double day

Night 2:
Not_Mafia motion detects Momrangal: detects no motion
Beefster jails Carrot
BuJaber visits Mathdino
the worst investigates InfernoBrafin: town
Kthxbye follows Not_Mafia: sees investigative action
Carrot roleblocks Beefster
InfernoBrafin, Mathdino, Momrangal, do nothing

Carrot dies

Day 3:
N/A

Night 3:
Not_Mafia motion detects Mathdino: detects no motion
the worst investigates Beefster: no result
Kthxbye follows Beefster: dies
Beefster, InfernoBrafin, Mathdino, Momrangal do nothing

Wait so why didn't Momrangal send a message last night?

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:30 pm

In post 2356, Mathdino wrote:Protectives:
Beefster holsters
Mathdino holsters

Investigatives:
the worst checks Beefster
Kthx checks Beefster
Not_Mafia checks Mathdino

Miscellaneous:
Marangal messages the worst

Marangal was supposed to message the worst.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:13 pm

In post 2523, the worst wrote:
In post 2520, the worst wrote:
In post 2518, Mathdino wrote:So the only possible scumpartner Marangal can have is Beefster.
Step me through this?

On D2, Marangal asked mastina if she received a message saying "I'm town".

mastina said no.

Marangal said "wtf".

Beefster said "Oh yeah I blocked Marangal because I'm a jailkeeper".

Marangal believed her message had legitimately gone through (unless she planned in advance a fakeclaim with Beefster). This means Marangal is either really a messenger, or is scum with Beefster.

Additionally, for Marangal to be scum, she would have to believe that scum could not perform a night action and kill at the same time.

So in the situation that she's a scum messenger who legit believed her message went through, her partner must have performed the nightkill on Iconeum. This means scum is either me (which makes me a scum roleblocker), Beefster (who jailed me on N1), or:
the worst: Fakeclaiming weak cop as mafia strongman? no.
Not_Mafia: Would have to be a strongman AND a mafia roleblocker. Which doesn't jive with Marangal's idea that scum can kill and act on the same night.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:46 pm

If you had 3 days to prepare getting past a gamebreaking massclaim strategy, wouldn't you know exactly how you'd respond to a soft guilty?

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:15 pm

yeah i'll be here

go check my ISO for not_mafia case, it's in there somewhere

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:42 pm

In post 2372, Mathdino wrote:
WAGONS(Sort By: Alphabetical Data Type: Simple LSort: On)Note from vote counter. These votes include any vote on or off that impacted said wagon.
Spoiler: Day 1

acryon (1)
~
Carrot and Stick
8

acryon (1)
~
Iconeum
534

acryon (1)
~
Momrangal
618(795)

Almost50 (1)
~
InfernoBrafin
4

Beefster (1)
~
the worst
29

Beefster (1)
~
Almost50
129

Beefster (1)
~
Iconeum
175(313)

Beefster (1)
~
Momrangal
463

Beefster (1)
~
acryon
586(618)

BuJaber (1)
~
InfernoBrafin
22

BuJaber (1)
~
Momrangal
141(459)

Carrot and Stick (1)
~
TheGoldenParadox
19

Carrot and Stick (1)
~
the worst
385

Carrot and Stick (1)
~
Iconeum
539(619)

Iconeum (1)
~
Beefster
189

Iconeum (1)
~
Almost50
313

InfernoBrafin (1)
~
acryon
5

InfernoBrafin (1)
~
BuJaber
20(400)

InfernoBrafin (1)
~
Mathdino
450

Mathdino (1)
~
TheGoldenParadox
52

Mathdino (1)
~
Not_Mafia
331

Momrangal (1)
~
Beefster
244

Momrangal (1)
~
BuJaber
419

No Lynch (1)
~
InfernoBrafin
737

Not_Mafia (1)
~
Mathdino
269

Not_Mafia (1)
~
TheGoldenParadox
295(394)

the worst (1)
~
Iconeum
109

the worst (1)
~
Mathdino
827

TheGoldenParadox (1)
~
Mathdino
33

TheGoldenParadox (1)
~
the worst
40(65)

TheGoldenParadox (1)
~
Iconeum
395(450)

TheGoldenParadox (1)
~
Beefster
500(534)

acryon (2)
~
Carrot and Stick, Momrangal
618

Beefster (2)
~
Almost50, Iconeum
175

Beefster (2)
~
Momrangal, acryon
586

Beefster (2)
~
acryon, BuJaber
669

BuJaber (2)
~
InfernoBrafin, Momrangal
141

Carrot and Stick (2)
~
the worst, acryon
400

Carrot and Stick (2)
~
Iconeum, Mathdino
566(606)

Iconeum (2)
~
Almost50, the worst
607

Iconeum (2)
~
Almost50, BuJaber
666

Iconeum (2)
~
Almost50, Mathdino
679(681)

Iconeum (2)
~
TheGoldenParadox, acryon
887(978)

InfernoBrafin (2)
~
acryon, BuJaber
20

Mathdino (2)
~
Not_Mafia, Carrot and Stick
343

Mathdino (2)
~
Not_Mafia, InfernoBrafin
459(570)

Mathdino (2)
~
Not_Mafia, Iconeum
710(737)

No Lynch (2)
~
InfernoBrafin, the worst
749

Not_Mafia (2)
~
Mathdino, TheGoldenParadox
295

TheGoldenParadox (2)
~
Mathdino, the worst
40

TheGoldenParadox (2)
~
Mathdino, Iconeum
395

TheGoldenParadox (2)
~
Iconeum, Beefster
500

acryon (3)
~
Carrot and Stick, Momrangal, Mathdino
619

acryon (3)
~
Carrot and Stick, Momrangal, Beefster
626(679)

Carrot and Stick (3)
~
the worst, acryon, Iconeum
539

Carrot and Stick (3)
~
the worst, Iconeum, Mathdino
566(586)

Iconeum (3)
~
Almost50, the worst, Mathdino
679

Iconeum (3)
~
Almost50, Mathdino, TheGoldenParadox
754

Iconeum (3)
~
Almost50, TheGoldenParadox, Beefster
763(827)

Iconeum (3)
~
TheGoldenParadox, Beefster, acryon
887(963)

InfernoBrafin (3)
~
acryon, BuJaber, the worst
25

InfernoBrafin (3)
~
acryon, BuJaber, Beefster
51

Mathdino (3)
~
Not_Mafia, Carrot and Stick, Beefster
348

Mathdino (3)
~
Not_Mafia, Carrot and Stick, InfernoBrafin
459(500)

Mathdino (3)
~
Not_Mafia, InfernoBrafin, Iconeum
710

No Lynch (3)
~
InfernoBrafin, the worst, Kthxbye
752

acryon (4)
~
Carrot and Stick, Momrangal, Mathdino, Beefster
626

Carrot and Stick (4)
~
the worst, acryon, Iconeum, Mathdino
566

Iconeum (4)
~
Almost50, Mathdino, TheGoldenParadox, Beefster
763

Iconeum (4)
~
Almost50, TheGoldenParadox, Beefster, BuJaber
874

Iconeum (4)
~
Almost50, TheGoldenParadox, Beefster, acryon
887(917)

InfernoBrafin (4)
~
acryon, BuJaber, Beefster, Mathdino
65

InfernoBrafin (4)
~
acryon, BuJaber, Mathdino, the worst
161(189)

Mathdino (4)
~
Not_Mafia, Carrot and Stick, Beefster, InfernoBrafin
459

No Lynch (4)
~
InfernoBrafin, the worst, Kthxbye, Carrot and Stick
795

Iconeum (5)
~
Almost50, TheGoldenParadox, Beefster, BuJaber, Iconeum
877

Iconeum (5)
~
Almost50, TheGoldenParadox, Beefster, BuJaber, acryon
887(889)

InfernoBrafin (5)
~
acryon, BuJaber, Beefster, Mathdino, Iconeum
92

InfernoBrafin (5)
~
acryon, BuJaber, Beefster, Mathdino, the worst
161

No Lynch (5)
~
InfernoBrafin, the worst, Kthxbye, Carrot and Stick, Iconeum
810

No Lynch (5)
~
InfernoBrafin, the worst, Kthxbye, Carrot and Stick, Momrangal
910

Iconeum (6)
~
Almost50, TheGoldenParadox, Beefster, BuJaber, Iconeum, acryon
887

No Lynch (6)
~
InfernoBrafin, the worst, Kthxbye, Carrot and Stick, Momrangal, BuJaber
917

No Lynch (6)
~
InfernoBrafin, the worst, Kthxbye, Carrot and Stick, Momrangal, Almost50
963

No Lynch (7)
~
InfernoBrafin, the worst, Kthxbye, Carrot and Stick, Momrangal, Almost50, Beefster
978
Spoiler: Day 2

acryon (1)
~
Momrangal
1028

acryon (1)
~
Carrot and Stick
1036(1046)

acryon (1)
~
Kthxbye
1621

acryon (1)
~
Mathdino
1971

Almost50 (1)
~
Mathdino
1135

Almost50 (1)
~
Carrot and Stick
1557(1799)

Carrot and Stick (1)
~
Momrangal
1046

Carrot and Stick (1)
~
Not_Mafia
1080(1306)

Kthxbye (1)
~
Not_Mafia
1024

Kthxbye (1)
~
Beefster
1210

Kthxbye (1)
~
Momrangal
1306(1715)

Momrangal (1)
~
Kthxbye
1785

Not_Mafia (1)
~
Beefster
1628

acryon (2)
~
Momrangal, Carrot and Stick
1036

acryon (2)
~
Carrot and Stick, BuJaber
1215

acryon (2)
~
Mathdino, Kthxbye
1972

Almost50 (2)
~
Mathdino, Kthxbye
1294

Almost50 (2)
~
BuJaber, Carrot and Stick
1557(1701)

Almost50 (2)
~
Carrot and Stick, Mathdino
1819

Carrot and Stick (2)
~
Momrangal, Not_Mafia
1080

Carrot and Stick (2)
~
Not_Mafia, Almost50
1630

Kthxbye (2)
~
Beefster, acryon
1260

Kthxbye (2)
~
acryon, Momrangal
1306(1620)

Momrangal (2)
~
Kthxbye, BuJaber
1799

Not_Mafia (2)
~
Beefster, Mathdino
1701

Not_Mafia (2)
~
Mathdino, the worst
1707(1716)

Not_Mafia (2)
~
the worst, Beefster
1717(1819)

acryon (3)
~
Mathdino, Kthxbye, Momrangal
2007

Almost50 (3)
~
Mathdino, Kthxbye, BuJaber
1324

Almost50 (3)
~
Mathdino, BuJaber, Carrot and Stick
1557(1580)

Almost50 (3)
~
Carrot and Stick, BuJaber, Momrangal
1878(1971)

Carrot and Stick (3)
~
Momrangal, Not_Mafia, Beefster
1110

Carrot and Stick (3)
~
Not_Mafia, Almost50, Beefster
1716

Carrot and Stick (3)
~
Not_Mafia, Almost50, Momrangal
1737

Carrot and Stick (3)
~
Not_Mafia, Almost50, acryon
2003

Kthxbye (3)
~
Beefster, acryon, Momrangal
1306

Kthxbye (3)
~
acryon, Momrangal, Not_Mafia
1314(1619)

Not_Mafia (3)
~
Beefster, Mathdino, the worst
1707

Not_Mafia (3)
~
the worst, Beefster, Kthxbye
1722(1724)

acryon (4)
~
Mathdino, Kthxbye, Momrangal, the worst
2119

Almost50 (4)
~
Mathdino, Kthxbye, BuJaber, Carrot and Stick
1557

Almost50 (4)
~
Carrot and Stick, Mathdino, BuJaber, Momrangal
1878(1911)

Kthxbye (4)
~
Beefster, acryon, Momrangal, Not_Mafia
1314

Not_Mafia (4)
~
Beefster, Mathdino, the worst, Kthxbye
1710

acryon (5)
~
Mathdino, Kthxbye, Momrangal, the worst, Beefster
2131

Almost50 (5)
~
Carrot and Stick, Mathdino, BuJaber, Kthxbye, Momrangal
1878

Kthxbye (5)
~
Beefster, acryon, Momrangal, Not_Mafia, Almost50
1335
Spoiler: Day 3

acryon (1)
~
Carrot and Stick
2166

Almost50 (1)
~
Mathdino
2134

Almost50 (2)
~
Mathdino, Beefster
2135

Almost50 (3)
~
Mathdino, Beefster, the worst
2136

Almost50 (4)
~
Mathdino, Beefster, the worst, BuJaber
2163

Almost50 (5)
~
Mathdino, Beefster, the worst, BuJaber, Kthxbye
2219

Almost50 (6)
~
Mathdino, Beefster, the worst, BuJaber, Kthxbye, Almost50
2227
Spoiler: Day 4

Beefster (1)
~
Kthxbye
2268

BuJaber (1)
~
Mathdino
2233

BuJaber (1)
~
Beefster
2259(2321)

Momrangal (1)
~
Kthxbye
2255

Beefster (2)
~
Kthxbye, BuJaber
2278

BuJaber (2)
~
Mathdino, Beefster
2259

BuJaber (2)
~
Beefster, Momrangal
2339

Beefster (3)
~
Kthxbye, BuJaber, Not_Mafia
2291

BuJaber (3)
~
Beefster, Momrangal, Mathdino
2353

Beefster (4)
~
Kthxbye, BuJaber, Not_Mafia, Mathdino
2321

BuJaber (4)
~
Beefster, Momrangal, Mathdino, the worst
2357

Gamma's online. Lynch anyone who doesn't follow the plan.

Fuck it, Not_Mafia has been against every single pro-town wagon: No Lynch, acryon, AND Almost50
And on every anti-town wagon: Mathdino, Iconeum, Kthx, mastina, Bujaber.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

You can only openwolf so much before it becomes impossible to let slide. N_M isn't THIS bad.

When N_M flips scum (when, not if):
I actually don't have a good nightplan here now that I think about it.

@Mod: If a bodyguard were to target a weak cop while the weak cop checked mafia, who would die?
Second, what would happen in this situation if mafia also shot the weak cop?

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:02 pm

Or Beefster

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:06 pm

If N_M straight up flips strongman, then N_M/Marangal seems likely. Although if N_M is strongman after all, we can just win the game by having me protect you and Beefster protect InfernoBrafin.

If N_M flips anything other than strongman or roleblocker, then it's Beefster.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:10 pm

In post 2467, the worst wrote:Figured people with shit abilities were less likely to be scum, more likely not to get NK'd and made better town clears.

Specifically I tried to keep my NA list down to players I felt were likely to be town.

In post 2468, the worst wrote:Just trying to decide whether scum would have seen me crumbing.

Can you quote all the posts in your ISO that are evidence of these?

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:15 pm

The weird thing here is that Hider is literally a variation on Weak Cop.

That puts us at:

Investigatives: Hider, Weak Cop, Follower
Protectives: Bodyguard, Jailkeeper
Combos: JOAT, Backup JOAT
Misc: Messenger, Compulsive Visitor, Double Dayer

Which is a hilariously stacked town that's only really solvable by there being 4 scum.
One scum was given a motion detector safeclaim. One was given a commuter fakeclaim (and is investigation immune, which strongly points to Weak Cop existing). One is a gladiator.

The only way I can justify this nonsense setup is if scum also has roleblocking ability in the Jailkeeper.

Mathdino · Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:35 pm

I'm spending more time reading your ISO and how scumfuck it is if you literally Ctrl+F "A50" :/

like you're town in every way but associations

but yeah will do that

Mathdino · Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:29 am

so who's scum

there's 0 chance of town being this fucking stacked with only 1 scum

Mathdino · Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:34 am

Reading through acryon's ISO for mentions of LUV and A50, I strongly believe acryon was aware of the scumteam while scum was not.

It would make the most sense with the gladiator role IMO.

Mathdino · Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:46 am

In post 1276, acryon wrote:Have not liked Kthx today at all. I'm not really sure on IB right now. I'm not sure if this is intentional, but they've done a good job of keeping sort of neutral it seems after that rough first half of the day yesterday. Nothing they've done has really rubbed the wrong way. I like Momrangel a good bit actually, although a lot of it is gut. Nothing has really pinged me from A50, and the thought process makes sense to me. I like the worst. N_M is doing mostly nothing, but something about it feels genuine.

You. And Marangal.

Then all his scumteams had Beefster in them along with 2 conftown.

Mathdino · Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:25 am

The worst, please characterise the difference between your towngame and your scumgame, in your opinion.

Mathdino · Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:32 am

Feel free. I'm working on it myself.

Mathdino · Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:36 am

Basically not going to share unless you're scum and I need to use it to lynch you sorry

Just like I would never give Almost50 a guide on how to read him

Also i called obvtown A50 in a recently completed game, bringing my record of reading A50 up to... Still 100%!

Mathdino · Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:42 am

I definitely agree with the first paragraph, that's something I noticed

Didn't you bus the shit out of Impede that one game?

Mathdino · Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:46 am

Hardclaim Fe > Fi

OK that seems to line up with meta, comfortable with you as town here

I need to read through Beefster still, I've been putting that off since d1

Mathdino · Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:46 am

Almost50 is a power player

Mathdino · Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:56 am

Do you think scum you sheeps me onto A50 after acryon lynch tho

Mathdino · Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:02 am

Hahaha

Mathdino · Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:13 am

My scumgame is just my towngame minus the parts that are blatantly anti-scum.

In Creature's game, I was at a point where I'd basically "solved" the LyLo from my POV, and the scumteam was forced to be either UCV/my scumpartner or Dunkerdoodles/my scumpartner. So instead of doing the correct thing, I argued for voting Dunker and won.
The day before that, I was hard-defending a town mislynch-bait slot (because it's within my meta to hard-defend people all the time), then lynched them anyway near the deadline as a compromise, because the only other option was literally lynching my scumbuddy. As town, I would've taken any other option in that situation.

In RC's game, I held out on bussing obvscum-Creature as long as possible, and soft-bussed a different scumbuddy the day after because they basically scumclaimed and were hard-distancing from me. After that I basically kept everyone in my lynchpool except my town neighbour, whose townflip would've made me look worse.
The game also completely died on the last day I was alive and I did basically nothing to get activity back because I knew no one would be like "oh wow look at Mathdino not requesting prods on people, must be scum". Until I got bored of 0 presence and requested prods way past the prod timer.

So yeah, it's just my towngame with fewer anti-scum things. I can tell you that if A50 and I were scum here, we'd basically wreck the game regardless of power roles or anything else, and we'd have sufficient experience with each other to believably locktown each other. I wouldn't have been the only guy pushing the A50 wagon for the entire time that slot was alive; I'd just let him be.
Double day means double town lynch is an insta win. That's something we could've pulled off given the gamestate, easily.

Mathdino · Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:18 am

UNVOTE:

If you're town, IB's town, and I'm town, we just need to find one scumteam between {Beefster, Not_Mafia, Marangal} that doesn't make sense.

Mathdino · Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:29 am

His defences of A50/N_M/Marangal are definitely more soft than hard imo.

Obviously if that wasn't his play, then he was distancing Beefster from D1.

Marangal has basically stonewalled the Beefster lynch on the logic that Beef wouldn't jail her. I want to see her current take on this.

Gonna go do Beefster meta.

Mathdino · Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:58 am

I think it has to be Beefster/Not_Mafia. They softbussed each other when neither was in real danger but were consistently anti-town when it counted.

Mathdino · Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:22 pm

If we lynch just one scum today and we hit whoever's responsible for the Iconeum/mastina kills, the following plan works:
the worst checks Marangal or Not_Mafia
Mathdino guards the worst

I stop you from dying, you get your result, gg scum. If both of us die, you hit mafia AND mafia tried to shoot you.

Mathdino · Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:34 pm

shitfuck hang on

Night 2 (important actions):
Beefster protects mastina
mastina blocks Beefster
- mastina dies
Kthx follows N_M
N_M follows Marangal
- N_M did not perform that nightkill.
- If N_M is town, Marangal did not perform that nightkill.

so what the fuck
did beefster perform the nightkill every fucking night or what

Mathdino · Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:47 pm

the problem is that on N2, Beefster was roleblocked from doing the kill and Marangal was being motion detected

we need to figure out why tf marangal didn't send a message last night when every night plan involved her messaging you

Mathdino · Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:15 pm

Uh, I just convince the worst to vote Marangal and quickhammer with Not_Mafia?

Unless you think I'm scum with someone else here.

Mathdino · Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:44 pm

inb4 gamethrow

Mathdino · Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:53 pm

i'm saying if you get lynched off this and you're town...

regardless how is it that you pay more attention as scum

but also wouldn't write yourself off for not paying attention

Mathdino · Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:58 pm

who tf is scum marangal

Mathdino · Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:26 pm

Kthxbye confirmed that Not_Mafia used an investigative role, so the ninja would have to be Marangal.

Mathdino · Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:00 pm

Scenarios that explain what happened last night:
A. the worst is scum (lying).
B. Beefster is scum (jailed the worst).
C. Marangal is specifically a mafia roleblocker (blocked the worst).

Marangal clearly believed she had legitimately sent a message to mastina. This means that if she's scum, she's scum with Beefster or the worst. Full stop. She cannot be scum with Not_Mafia because N_M is a confirmed investigative.

The possible scumteams are then:
Beefster/Marangal: Beefster jailkeeper, Marangal something or other
Beefster/Not_Mafia: Beefster jailkeeper, Not_Mafia investigative, one of the two is a strongman to explain shooting through my bodyguard.
Beefster/the worst: Beefster jailkeeper, the worst strongman
Marangal/the worst: Marangal messenger, the worst strongman
Not_Mafia/the worst: Not_Mafia investigative, the worst strongman

Mechanically, Beefster/Not_Mafia is implausible.

Mathdino · Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:11 am

Beefster ascetic works here. mastina's roleblock on Beefster fails, the worst's investigation fails.

The flaw is that it still doesn't explain getting past my bodyguard on N1, so we're still missing a puzzle piece.

Mathdino · Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:17 am

Yeah the counterclaim thing is an issue.

I guess I'm at a point where I just have to put the N_M reading skills to the test. He's played solely to his scum meta this entire game and has only done anti-town things.

The main reason I'm holding out on N_M is this whole "I know acryon is town by modspew" doesn't seem in any way scum motivated (I don't believe scum knew the traitor).

Mathdino · Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:27 am

In post 2632, Not_Mafia wrote:I think I hate literally all MU terms

stop openwolfing and wallflowering you goat wolf, the idea that modspew derpcleared acryon was a dumbtell and angleshooting that can't be villa

Mathdino · Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:28 am

looks like we're thunderdoming beefster and not_mafia amirite

Mathdino · Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:32 am

mafia universe is the

other

mafia site

it has some interesting terminology

Mathdino · Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:35 am

anyway claimfishing not_mafia came too late and sent me into FPS
i really think marshy succumbed to RWSTFO
i feel like scum intended to halfway rule me so w/e

hardclaim seer guilty on not_mafia-wolf lololol

Mathdino · Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:42 am

In post 2634, Mathdino wrote:stop openwolfing and wallflowering you goat wolf, the idea that modspew derpcleared acryon was a dumbtell and angleshooting that can't be villa

Wolf: Scum.

Openwolfing: Doing basically everything pro-scum possible, knowing that towns will think you're Too Wolfy To Be Wolf. This strategy as opposed to the strategy of "play like you would as villa", which often results in you doing actually pro-town things like bussing.

Wallflowering: Low activity, basically lurking.

Modspew: Mod accidentally giving away information by virtue of mod actions.

Derpclear/Dumbtell: I used these words incorrectly so ignore that.

Angleshooting: Using something that borders on cheating due to stuff that's technically out of the idea of mafia, but isn't actually cheating.

Villa: Town.

Mathdino · Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:44 am

In post 2641, Mathdino wrote:anyway claimfishing not_mafia came too late and sent me into FPS
i really think marshy succumbed to RWSTFO
i feel like scum intended to halfway rule me so w/e

hardclaim seer guilty on not_mafia-wolf lololol

Claimfishing: Getting a role out of someone.

FPS: Fancy Play Syndrome, where you replace simple plays (like lynching obvscum) with incredibly complex plays.

Halfway rule: If a good player isn't dead by halfway through the game, they're probably a wolf. Also leads to leaving players alive to lynch them on "why not dead yet".

Seer: Cop.

Hardclaim seer guilty: Something MU townies do a lot for some reason.

Mathdino · Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:46 am

RWSTFO: Random Wolf, Sub The Fuck Out, where a player replaces out because they're a wolf. If you ever play with Creature, you know this syndrome.

Mathdino · Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:50 am

okay holy shit unironically tho

marshy subbed out of a mafia game that was running concurrently with this game

and then joined other games like a week later

Mathdino · Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:51 am

marshy was the original holder of N_M's slot

Mathdino · Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:53 am

hey not_mafia on a scale of 1 to 10 how much do you want to lynch TheYankeeReaper

Mathdino · Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:08 am

He copped Iconeum.

Mathdino · Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:16 am

In post 1752, the worst wrote:Visiting acryon tonight
We'll know his alignment tomorrow.

marangal, thoughts on this

Mathdino · Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:17 am

guys what if we no lynch here

Mathdino · Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:24 am

Not_Mafia motion detects the worst
Beefster jails InfernoBrafin
Mathdino guards InfernoBrafin
Marangal messages InfernoBrafin
the worst holsters

Mathdino · Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:28 am

if there's a kill, not_mafia can confirm that
A. You didn't do it.
or
B. He's scum with you.
or
C. Someone targeted you to fuck with his motion detect.

personally i am confused that scum didn't just target me last night to frame a guilty on me

like isn't that exactly what the worst-scum would do in that situation

or Beefster-scum

Mathdino · Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:39 am

as in i literally cannot come up with roles for them that make sense with everything that's happened

Mathdino · Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:53 am

it's so insanely difficult for me to see not_mafia as town even if him being cleared as an investigative is theoretically townish

Mathdino · Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:05 am

In post 2611, Mathdino wrote:Beefster/Marangal: Beefster jailkeeper, Marangal something or other
Beefster/Not_Mafia: Beefster jailkeeper, Not_Mafia investigative, one of the two is a strongman to explain shooting through my bodyguard.
Beefster/the worst: Beefster jailkeeper, the worst strongman

Marangal/the worst: Marangal messenger, the worst strongman
Not_Mafia/the worst: Not_Mafia investigative, the worst strongman

Mathdino · Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:06 am

In post 2692, Momrangal wrote:But, N2 I was being watched by N_M and dino was still bypassed that night. The only way that could happen is if I was scum with N_M is if were scum together and that's already disproven.

I wasn't bypassed that night; Beefster was.

Mathdino · Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:07 am

It works if you're scum with Beefster, because then he wasn't JK protecting mastinat at all.

Mathdino · Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:21 pm

N_M is confirmed investigative...

Mathdino · Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:26 pm

INB4 UNANNOUNCED MULTIBALL

Mathdino · Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:39 pm

In post 2722, InfernoBrafin wrote:Beef blocks Math
TW checks Beef
Mom sends to IB
N_M targets Mom
Math hoslters
IB does nothing

I think that that makes is impossible for scum to do anything without us knowing about it. If anyone has any thoughts or comments, please speak now.

1. Wtf does blocking me do? If I'm scum with Beef, I won't be blocked. If I'm scum with Marangal, the worst, or N_M, they just do the kill instead.

2. If Beef is scum, then TW dies (because he's a weak cop) and scum make a kill bringing us to 2:2.

3. Okay, but you're the obvious kill if we no lynch. So no one will get anything.

4. N_M will always get "motion detected" on Momrangal because YOU JUST TOLD HER TO DO SOMETHING.

5. Having the bodyguard holster, yep.

Mathdino · Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:30 am

I've literally been waiting here for the past couple days active lurking and waiting for InfernoBrafin to get back and give confirmed town thoughts.

And that's all we get?

smh

Mathdino · Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:31 am

If nothing else changes, I'm lynching Not_Mafia for doing every pro-scum thing humanly possible this game.

Mathdino · Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:53 am

oh fantastic

i claim scum with not_mafia

VOTE: N_M

Mathdino · Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:54 am

In post 2721, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Votecount 4.0(2) Not_Mafia: Mathdino, Beefster
(1) Beefster: the worst

(3) Not Voting: Momrangal, Not_Mafia, InfernoBrafin
(expired on 2018-04-02 17:45:00)
With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Please let me know if your vote is in the wrong spot

this votecount was incorrect btw

i was not voting not_mafia at this time, i unvoted

but i said nothing to confirm mom/the worst as not the scumteam so gg

Mathdino · Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:00 am

no i've mislynched him in a mylo before

Mathdino · Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:01 am

no i'm serious i've mislynched him in a mylo

Mathdino · Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:04 am

In post 2737, the worst wrote:FML seriously dude I don't wanna lose

i mean i believe you

blame not_mafia lol

should've policy lynched him D1