VOTE: shoshin
@brass I'm v/la on fridays and saturdays :)
i'm not defending math; I'm pointing out that this isn't a serious proposal from him and that it shouldn't be read as suchIn post 22, Shoshin wrote:Hey Skitter, why are you defending Math? Do you think he's town for that opening?
why is invisibility scum?In post 51, Momrangal wrote:Zzz
This is great and all but let's all build a wagon on actual scum
VOTE: invisible
I don't know why you're framing things as 'hostile', 'attempt to discredit', or 'defending'; I don't really see any of these things happening.In post 56, Shoshin wrote:I'm not sure what to make of Math's attempt to discredit my play when he's never even interacted with me before. Anyone play with him before and know what he's like as town/scum?
do you have any thoughts on the game beyond math rapping?In post 61, Gamma Emerald wrote:So like is this a post restriction on the Dino or is he just trollling us
+1In post 63, Mathdino wrote:So like is this a sorting post, what point is there in polling usIn post 61, Gamma Emerald wrote:So like is this a post restriction on the Dino or is he just trollling us
ok, what makes invis different, than, say, nauci?In post 65, Momrangal wrote:Orly?In post 55, Shoshin wrote:Invis is probably town, too.
Cuz what I see is active lurking already happening.
Yes, I know what active lurking is. I don't know if the way he's been posting is inherently AI for him.In post 81, Momrangal wrote:You think he has game related content?In post 70, skitter30 wrote:ok, what makes invis different, than, say, nauci?
I don't know if it's fair to classify him as active lurking hours into the game when he has more game-related content than many players.
They are different because one has a far more serious tone than the other. One has a more tryhard feel than the other and one is clearly trying to seem more useful than the other.
The definition of active lurking is basically posting empty posts trying to look like you're making content when you aren't
I don't know what *feel* meansIn post 91, Irrelephant11 wrote:Maybe you had flashbacks..? Did you or didn’t you?
No, Skitter’s response to Shoshin was honestly fine
I don’t like Skitter’s *feel*, though. I’ll explain more later after my read stays the same or changes
You should sheep me though
why stun?In post 108, Shoshin wrote:I'm not quite ready to say why you should vote Stun but you should. Irrelephant has the idea.
In post 109, stungun0404 wrote:what are your thoughts on me, shoshin? you never provided them.
catching up as is with the other questions, but do address your feeling on me before asking and even inciting others to do so. otherwise, it just looks like you are trying to take advantage of a wagon forming on a me, which i feel only a scumplayer would have incentive to do. looks like you are doing the utmost in an attempt to “look town” right now
how did you determine these groups?In post 111, Irrelephant11 wrote:Feeling currently like Shoshin/Stungun/math has at most one mafiosa. Keyser/stungun/skitter could have as many as THREE but probably not more than like 1.5.
I'm not townreading math.In post 114, stungun0404 wrote:I don’t like the transition here at all; shoshin goes from obsessing over skitter’s townread of mathdino to later asking what there isn’t to like about mathdino’s play; it seems like a very strange transition to make in a matter of hours with no explicit townread or townle on mathdino for the slot, so this makes its way onto my scumdar. These questions seem like their fishing for scummy responses to take advantage of
a) sheIn post 122, stungun0404 wrote:he was defending him, so i take it that it was something of a townread or sth. i didn’t feel like looking back, so i went off my memory
I read town!her like that in Newbie 1872 last week, and was very very very wrong, so idk if posting like that is a scumtell for her.In post 129, Bernie Sanders wrote:gemini feels like really bland boring scum
I mean, if he's scum and you're town he could be trying to appease you and get you off his case by trying to townread you.In post 139, Shoshin wrote:Hmm, I like that Stun came around on me. Not sure he'd do that as scum.
Yes, I was thinking this tooIn post 151, Nauci wrote:Math I dislike PRs becausethey make it easier to obfuscateand I was hoping that wouldn't be the case but I very much dislike that you even outright said it'll get in the way. Rhyme all you want but don't use it as some shield to dodge requests for real content.
I don't like the first half of this post, but I agree with the keyser bitIn post 165, Gamma Emerald wrote:LOL plsIn post 152, Keyser Söze wrote:Yep, Gamma has to Hulk out (with only one game-solving related post so far).
I'm honestly kinda wanting to kick back this game ngl, maybe I'll get solvy later but for now I just wanna smell the roses. It's my first full game back ya know.
Keyser does kinda strike me as town though, based on what he's taking note of
I don't really know if people can be classified as 'lurkers' when the game hasn't even been a thing for a full day yet.In post 170, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: Northsidegal. she blew right past me and the rest of town as scum in lynchpin mafia by largely lurking/staying in the background. i don’t reckon i want to see a repeat of that. i’d like to see her give some early gamereads. her content hasn’t really had much substance so far :cool:
questions coming for all :P
+1In post 172, Irrelephant11 wrote:I’m kinda feeling worse on stun/Nauci/Mom/invis for their “lynch the lurker” votes like 48 hours into a game on the weekend
I really didn't get that vibe from gemini at all; her questions felt super safe to me. I just don't know if that's AI thoughIn post 177, stungun0404 wrote:i feel like her questions might have an intent of stirring the pot—so that would be my official reasoning.
I saw it last week, it was a very good movie :)In post 182, brassherald wrote:I'm checking with the replacement queue. I will likely be very late with my normal 8 PM EST vote count by the way, going to see Incredibles 2 tonight
I don't believe I gave a scumread on her or said she was scum playing super aggressively? I was trying to understand if she was being serious wrt her math push on like the first page because it was based on like a serious misunderstanding of math's RVS post and like ... didn't make sense to me to find math scummy for it. I will note that she didn't actually explain why she thought the RVS post was 'pro-scum' despite me asking a few times.In post 183, stungun0404 wrote:@skitter: what’s your reason to believe shoshin is scum playing super aggressively?
ok, elaborate on gemini pleaseIn post 189, Mathdino wrote:Sidenote, lynching gemslot would be a fine vote
I cry tho, that replace out is quite a spy note
No joke I need more townreads than this mild boat
So far its stun, Sho, and I like what Keyse wrote
wait, are you complaining that I haven't posted much yet? You know that I'm v/la on weekends .... and like, I announced yesterday and brass is putting it in the votecounts?In post 201, Mathdino wrote:My problem is that the "obvtown as town" bloc is disappointing
skittz, Nauci, NSG and Ran are all avoiding
That stream of consciousness style they like exploiting
To get townreads elsewhere. Reading 'em here's a bit annoying
Idk what 'couldn't resist the bite' means. She was misreading math's post and I pointed that out because what she was saying didn't make sense to me if she actually understood math's RVS post.In post 219, Keyser Söze wrote:VOTE: skitter30
(Sorry babe, I’m confirm-bias’ng)
If Shoshin is town, this works well as skitter30 being the scum who couldn’t resist the bite.
Time to return to the thread and town clear yourself.
Time to resolve those page 1 associations.
duckling :) :) :)In post 226, the worst wrote:quack quack
where did you mindmeld with her?In post 238, the worst wrote:I was reading the gamebecause the rapping is :fire: :fire: :fire:and soft mind melded with Gemini a couple of times so the slot was too good to pass up
why?In post 255, the worst wrote:I have the faintest whisper of a townlean on skitter atm
ooh! pick me! I have a guess :)In post 263, Bernie Sanders wrote:someone else can probably tell you it ruins the fun if I self out
OK? I'm not asking you to townread me right now?In post 284, stungun0404 wrote:apologies for the wrong pronoun, skitter. i think it’s natural to assume someone’s a ‘he’ until, you know, they’re not. :P
but i will say i’m not feeling that you, skitter, are townreadable right now either. not seeing a clear pro-town focus to your above analysis, but i’ll give you time to settle in and analyze more to see if i can extrapolate that sort of focus from your analyses.
and fwiw, you can absolutely try to take advantage of a wagon forming on someone by digging them a hole they may have trouble getting out of, which can make them mislynchbait. i have already addressed that i’ve been mislynched in a recent game on d1, so that without a doubt does explain why i feel scum might try to take advantage of forming a wagon on me d1. plus, when i was mislynched, 2 of the 5 votes were scum, so naturally when i’m a potential mislynch i’m going to doubt those on my wagon
This is what I'm liking about stungunIn post 285, skitter30 wrote:The most townie thing I'm seeing from you is that you keep referencing your mindset from this other towngame and are like drawing parralels from your play there to your play here.
a) 'attacking things (or being overly concerned) for surface level entanglements/contradictions' - it was page1 RVS and discussing it pretty much got the game out of RVS? Imo that's basically how we leave RVS, by finding something to talk about. I guess I don't particularly object to the 'biting' notion you have, but I disagree that it was scum-motivated.In post 308, Keyser Söze wrote:My answer:
Thanks for your reply. I am sorry but I have this uneasy feeling that you were attacking things (or being overly concerned) for surface level entanglements/contradictions. I have seen scum spend their time posting about such contradictions instead of having a more measured approach of meditating about the motivation of the player/could a town player have said this?/asking yourself ‘is this a rational stance to have if I were in their shoes?’
Shoshin’s entry and direction gave you that opportunity to ‘bite’.
Your only out here is if you may have been shortsighted. That is why I wore glasses when I approached the crash scene, that was page one
I'm aware; it's not like I called him a super strong townread or anything. It's possible that it could be scripting but he keeps on referencing his thought process in his towngame and how it relates to this game and it's very *thorough* and *consistent* and that's basically how I play (by comparing a given scenario to a similar past scenario and trying to figure out if things from the past are applicable/useful here) so it's a thought process that makes sense to me.In post 319, Gamma Emerald wrote:I actually have to question this if it’s how you say it is: couldn’t he just be scum scripting his play to fit that?In post 301, skitter30 wrote:This is what I'm liking about stungunIn post 285, skitter30 wrote:The most townie thing I'm seeing from you is that you keep referencing your mindset from this other towngame and are like drawing parralels from your play there to your play here.
Still townread stungun but your logic kinda seems weak
math when you read I do want you to elaborate on your gemini thoughtsIn post 345, Mathdino wrote:You expect me to lead when I still gotta read
I don't see a need, laying low is my creed
Which bit is the first paragraph responding too?In post 370, Bernie Sanders wrote:that's kind of a joke the odds there are realistically very low and not really to the point of being worth considering
you okay with maths response? for the most part he's already committed to giving more in a short timeframe and I can see some viability but I don't really like his goto being so wifomy/selfmetay and like defending with the gimmick
I don't think that post about keyser exhibited strong emotion or is like hard for scum!him to fake even remotely.In post 381, Shoshin wrote:Math's post where he agreed with my townread on Key was very townie in light of our interactions up to that point, particularly the "hate to admit" language. That emotion, "fuck, I can't believe I agree with this guy whose play I've just spent a few posts attacking," is pretty hard to fake and suggests that Math's read was genuine, not the result of an informed perspective. And his townread on Stun followed pretty naturally from the townread on Key. There's other things but those two are more than enough to townread Math.
ok, who are you waiting for? Because I think everyone posted?In post 406, Keyser Söze wrote:Can I answer this question when all the playerlist have posted.In post 402, Bernie Sanders wrote:Keyser if you put your sus on me aside for the moment who do you think is scum?
Because right now, “think is scum” may not be the right label. ‘Not town reading’ is more fitting.
I don't really classify this as 'try-hard' tbh. It reads to me more like he was trying ot get clarificationIn post 413, Momrangal wrote:One example of one of his try hard posts.
not really sure what you want from me tbh? i feel like I have a lot of readable contentIn post 423, Irrelephant11 wrote:But oh I thought tw was still voting him. It’s boring being the only vote for him rn so I’ll go back to VOTE: skitter because I feel confident town can pressure nsg and any other lurkers without me and I want more from skit
Btw I don't think duckling and mom are scum togetherIn post 426, stungun0404 wrote:hot take: scum is among bernie, nsg, nauci, momrangal, and the worst
duckling, you feel a lot more ... reserved than you usually do. Or like, out of it, or, like, less *present*. Idk how to say that better.In post 431, the worst wrote:Are people scumreading Bernie here?
Are you usually this cage-y?In post 432, Keyser Söze wrote:I wanted to sit back and watch Shoshin and Momrangel to play out the inner conflict in my head I have over Invisibility.
In post 414, Keyser Söze wrote:@Shoshin - now’s the time to share that irrefutable meta evidence for town-invisibility.
momrangel actually came back with a bang.
So the reason why I asked about your invisibility read is because 414 almost sounds like ... you're narrating a dispute between shoshin and momrangal and that you're like ... waiting for them to decide what their reads are and I'm wondering if you, like, are trying to form your own read or if you're just going to be listening to one of {shoshin/mom}, and if you're planning on doing the latter, how you're going to decide which one is correct.In post 438, Keyser Söze wrote:Still not town reading, but Shoshin sounds convinced they are town via meta. Maybe their playstyle is getting in the way of me seeing what scum-hunting/sorting they are actively engaged in
don't think 315 is a vote on a partner.In post 445, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 430, skitter30 wrote:Btw I don't think duckling and mom are scum togetherWhy is that?Can't remember that many (if any) associations between the two players..?
Do you have a good track-record cold-meta'ing people you've never played with?In post 461, Shoshin wrote:I had Mom as town for similar reasons to Irrelephant, as well as her answer to my question in 163. Her play was also consistent with her town meta so nothing to worry about.
I think it's meta and is wholly NAI and is neither vote-worthy nor town-read-worthyIn post 470, Momrangal wrote:If it's his meta it should be NAI and you shouldn't be town reading him off that.
1. That's a writing style thing. People have commented on that before. I think I write pretty clearly, but apparently it's confusing for some people. The 'feel' thing is how I describe gut, or when I don't know how to precisely articulate what I'm seeing. like if I don't like a post but I haven't figured out why yet, I'll say something like 'this post feels weird to me. I think it's because ...' and do my best to finish that sentence because it helps me articulate the gutpings into something describable and actionable.In post 473, Irrelephant11 wrote:1. *feel* was referring to your word choices. You've used "I don't think/I don't feel" "I'm not sure/I'm not seeing" "This doesn't/isn't" like SO much that I'm having trouble knowing what you DO think/feel/see and that comes across as somewhat intentional, given how much you've done it.
2. something something re-reading early posts something something shoshin/math and shoshin/stun really didn't look like early s/s and stun and dino both seemed independently towny
and then I was sorta light-scumreading all three of the second list and there was nothing to indicate they had different alignments
but also mostly I said it for the SPICE
I mean, I think it's weird to vote someone for 'wanting more from them' when you agree they've posted a reasonable amount of readable content and you're skimming the thread.In post 473, Irrelephant11 wrote:This is true and I'd been skimming. Still not townreading you because I do still have bad feels about your posts, but,
Nauci is actually reminding me completely of our scum game together: "casual" as a way of seeming town without doing much work
VOTE: Nauci
I'm tending towards thinking it might be the duck.In post 479, Irrelephant11 wrote:hey it's mom. Hi Mom!!!!
Who on your wagon do you think is scum? because prolly one of 'em, regardless of your alignment
which game did you play with invis again? have you metadived him?In post 483, Shoshin wrote:I didn't say you should "clear" Invis because of meta, I said you shouldn't scumread him for things that aren't scummy for him to do. How would you feel if someone called you scummy because of things that you do in every game as town? You'd think that person was scumreading you for things that aren't scummy, right? Apply that same logic to Invis.In post 474, Momrangal wrote:And no I'm not about to metadive. I don't want to keep hearing "this is how he plays so we should just clear him"
I don't think she's been around in a general sense this weekend, and not just this game; I really don't think that's AI.In post 492, stungun0404 wrote:nsg’s a legit possibility too. everybody has at least 17 posts except her. she has 4 (-13 compared to everyone else)In post 490, Shoshin wrote:Alright, cool. So Nauci, Skitter, and the worst as scum? I think that makes the most sense at this point.
this is just like a list of most of the people that are generally percieved to be sketchyIn post 501, Shoshin wrote:Nah, if scum isn't Nauci/Skitter/the worst, it's probably between Gamma/NSG.
In post 514, northsidegal wrote:i have no energy to play mafia recently. i realize now that it was irresponsible of me to sign up for this.
apologies to everyone else and to brassherald. i hate doing this.
@mod, please replace me
hopefully i feel better soon.
I mean, that's just how I write, and I'm not being non-committal. If I say 'I don't think that ...' it means 'I disagree with you'. I just don't write that way.In post 515, Irrelephant11 wrote:I mean, right, I understand that contextually you were disagreeing with people. My problem was with how you seemed to spend most of your time disagreeing with people, often in a non-committal "I dunno..." kind of way that shuts things down, rather than making assertions/questions that generate discussion and help to eliminate posscumbilities.
I didn't say there's a rule against it. It basically makes me feel like you're using the two of them as a proxy to figure it out.In post 524, Keyser Söze wrote:Again, there is nothing in the rule book against using two other players to resolve your inner conflict.
"Correct"? Nothing is correct right now. They just have to convince me, and I need to convince myself. Weird question.
i don't know what your townreads have to do with this. it's a list of consensus-scummy players. it's very safe.In post 531, Shoshin wrote:What do you mean by "just"? I think most of my townreads agree with me, but I don't see anything wrong with that. Do you?In post 522, skitter30 wrote:this isIn post 501, Shoshin wrote:Nah, if scum isn't Nauci/Skitter/the worst, it's probably between Gamma/NSG.justlike a list of most of the people that are generally percieved to be sketchy
I think that the list of people you currently scumread is comprised of a list of people that are generally scumread across the board, and yes, I think that's safe.In post 537, Shoshin wrote:Fixing a mistake.In post 536, Shoshin wrote:You think my reads are "safe"? That's just wrong. I've clearly stuck my neck out in defending certain players who aren't perceived as town (e.g. Mom/In post 533, skitter30 wrote:i don't know what your townreads have to do with this. it's a list of consensus-scummy players. it's very safe.In post 531, Shoshin wrote:What do you mean by "just"? I think most of my townreads agree with me, but I don't see anything wrong with that. Do you?In post 522, skitter30 wrote:this isIn post 501, Shoshin wrote:Nah, if scum isn't Nauci/Skitter/the worst, it's probably between Gamma/NSG.justlike a list of most of the people that are generally percieved to be sketchyInvis), and I've given some strong townreads on players who aren't perceived as strong town (e.g. Math/Irrelephant), so why interpret my reads as "safe" instead of "maybe there's something to this because all the likely townies are coming to a consensus"?
Honestly I don't remember reading this post.In post 269, Shoshin wrote:I like to lynch scum on D1 and anything less feels like a failure to me.
Bernie's tough to read. Lots of nothingness but there's a hint of town in the way he helped me pressure Stun but then switched onto Invis because he couldn't maintain the farce. Even if Bernie's really strong as scum, I'm not sure he'd express that sentiment while switching his vote onto obvious lynchbait. So probably not lynching Bernie today.
I'm varying degrees of town on Math, Invis, Key, Mom, and Irrelephant. Stun's a weaker read but for the moment happy to put aside. So I'm thinking we need to sort out Gamma, NSG, Skitter, Nauci, and the worst.
I'm not sure it is. It does make that post feel weird though.In post 541, Keyser Söze wrote:Correct.In post 527, skitter30 wrote:It basically makes me feel like you're using the two of them as a proxy to figure it out.
Is that scummy though?
yes, me, as scum, thinks its a *really* good idea to scumread town!math and deliberately start a fight with him, kudos for figuring that out.In post 542, Shoshin wrote:Skitter's scumread on Math is pretty fucking bad, and given her recent concern about "safe" reads, I'm thinking it's an attempt to appear "non-safe." I find it hard to believe that town Skitter lists Math as scummier than her null reads.
In post 546, Shoshin wrote:I didn't say NSG was scummy. I said she's scum if my scumreads flip town, because that still leaves her as null when compared my townreads, making NSG scum by poe. What's the flaw in that approach? What "pre-conceived notions" are clouding my judgment?
pre-flips in a word. you're looking for teams and looking for evidence that backs up those teams.In post 498, Shoshin wrote:I don't see the harm in speculating about the scumteam on D1. As I said before, I intend to lynch scum on D1 and part of doing that includes analyzing potential teams as corroborative evidence.
here too: you start off assuming he's town, check his meta, don't see anything to contradict that assumption, so you keep him as town.In post 461, Shoshin wrote:I had Mom as town for similar reasons to Irrelephant, as well as her answer to my question in 163. Her play was also consistent with her town meta so nothing to worry about.
no it didn't, and that's a gross misrepresentation of my interaction with math yesterdayIn post 547, Keyser Söze wrote:In my eyes, when Mathdino turned up her tune changed to:In post 542, Shoshin wrote:Skitter's scumread on Math is pretty fucking bad, and given her recent concern about "safe" reads, I'm thinking it's an attempt to appear "non-safe." I find it hard to believe that town Skitter lists Math as scummier than her null reads.
i mean, if scum!me could actually replicate what i do as town it would make my scumgames remarkably less stressful, but i can't, so yeah.In post 554, Momrangal wrote:Sadly, this probably the towniest thing you made.In post 548, skitter30 wrote:yes, me, as scum, thinks its a *really* good idea to scumread town!math and deliberately start a fight with him, kudos for figuring that out.
like, if i'm scum i do my *very* best to avoid math and like *not* catch his attention because he can read me properly and i hate being scumread and like ... calling attention to myself as scum.
It's also self meta and being aware of this nullifies it completely
i'm talking about shoshin checkin invsibility's meta; idk what elephant has to do with itIn post 556, Momrangal wrote:Please tell me you're talking about elephant hereIn post 550, skitter30 wrote:here too: you start off assuming he's town, check his meta, don't see anything to contradict that assumption, so you keep him as town.
for some reason i read it as being about invisiblity and was talking about him; i read it again and i know that it has your name in it so idk why i did that.In post 563, Momrangal wrote:The quote right above that is me and my meta and her town reading me based off it and how I'm town similarly to why ele is town I'm her eyes. Just making sure im not misgendered (again ) carry on
ok, i'm sorry, i misread that corraborative quote as you placing more import on associatives than you actually apparently do; i guess i misunderstood what you meant by that and i apologize.In post 564, Shoshin wrote:Right. I'm not looking for teams. I'm looking for townies and for scumbags.
Then, I check whether the emerging picture of the game makes any sense by seeing if the three scummiest players make sense as a team. This last step is called corroboration if the team makes sense. Sometimes, the team doesn't make sense and I have to reevaluate the reads themselves.
she just /outed for all the games she's in queues for; it isn't a game-specific thing. I don't know if she's scum or town but i really really really don't think repping out here is AI right now.In post 569, stungun0404 wrote:So apparently, nsg flakes out of some of her scum games, which is pretty damning. Leads me to think there’s a decent chance she’s scum this game.
Because I dont think its AI and I think it's a bad reason to scumread her given the context.In post 577, Shoshin wrote:Skitter, I don't get why you're defending NSG so strongly if she's just null for you...
i finally put together something i remember you saying on the discord, and then checked rask's account and saw that the references regarding your sig and gamma added up.In post 585, Bernie Sanders wrote:Now, I'm not saying that's true but if it was finally. Kinda surprised gamma or otherwise didn't get guess there and you end up being the one toIn post 425, skitter30 wrote:@BS: rask?
Finally Re: all meta requests -> search list, wiki has organised game chart Bon Appetit
pedit HMMMM
if i think the scumread on them is stupid, yes, even if i'm not townreading them. if you really need me to i could pull up a bunch of examplesIn post 586, Shoshin wrote:Is this something you do as town? Defend players who you don't read as town?In post 580, skitter30 wrote:Because I dont think its AI and I think it's a bad reason to scumread her given the context.In post 577, Shoshin wrote:Skitter, I don't get why you're defending NSG so strongly if she's just null for you...
i mean, you think I"m good at tonereading you? so this is like a weird thing for you to say? and *things i can't talk about right now*In post 595, the worst wrote:I can't work out if skitter feels off because she's scum of because she's tunneling me. This is not a great point in our friendship for her to try and tone read me as a hard scumread.
this basically; I can be really stubborn and I can't fake it.In post 609, Mathdino wrote:Scum skitter's adaptable, I could go on and rap but she'll
Change her play, to give away a vibe that's much more fashionable
This doesn't even rhyme
I mean, I still think it was a bad vote given the context and what you wanted from me. Like you voted for me to get more content from me that I'd already posted, but you didn't seem to have any sort of commentary/thoughts on that content till I pointed out that your vote was meh and you switched your vote off.In post 619, Irrelephant11 wrote:Bernie I'm about to check out for the day (except maybe some mobile posts later)
I agree my vote on Skitter looks bad. I already said that, though (515). It came from skimming and ISOing players too much (also from some synaesthesia-based player confusion) at the time and I just remembered "hey I wanted more from skitter before lemme vote there", then later I realized the content I was asking for had already shown up.
I do feel good about a Keyser vote but I feel better about a Nauci vote. It feels like none of my townreads think Keyser is scum and he hasn't done enough to deserve me tunneling him. I've got time to return to him later with a real case if it still stands so for now I'm voting my scummier read: Nauci.
kbye