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I will write 20 pages of analysis too scumbag.In post 71, Detective Pikachu wrote:Pretty ok with tim and creature for town, rest of my analysis will have to wait until Monday.-
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Yup one post.
Yup one post scumcatcher here-
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In post 90, ceejayvinoya wrote:
Huh. Which ones?In post 86, RedPanda wrote:Also town stop being so useless. I've made a couple of posts that you can use to start discussion. If you don't have anything to talk about use it.In post 73, RedPanda wrote:
I will write 20 pages of analysis too scumbag.In post 71, Detective Pikachu wrote:Pretty ok with tim and creature for town, rest of my analysis will have to wait until Monday.-
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Are you really defending this game? If it's whining to try and move the game from RVS to mafia, Sure.In post 104, EspressoPatronum wrote:Does it count if I use this post as a discussion? Of your 6 posts, only 2 contain anything we cod use to start a discussion. You declared an end to RVS (ok?) and you left a 'serious' vote without explanation.... and now you're whining that town is being useless? Plz-
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In post 109, u r a person 2 wrote:Redpanda, otoh, is likely scum. Their posts feel like those of a hyperposter. Like, read a post in isolation and it feels like it's coming from someone who is making moves and getting reads from how others respond
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You do realize there are 13 players. You vs pikachu might seem important to you but its not to me. I already think its TvsT and any information I'm going to get is how others react to it.
The game is 5 pages and more than 2 are rvs. I can explain away my posts but I'd rather not. Smart townies would see it for what they are, Bruteforcing away from rvs, reaction tests and a vote based on a reaction test. They wouldn't even judge my alignment based on that because scum could do the same but judge me based on how I'm hunting scum.
I'm not even judging both of you for not calling me town because I can understand that and I would suspect anyone that simply does. The fact that one is calling me scum and one thinks my posts aren't meaningful-
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It's one thing to not engage if they were doing something else but at that point they were letting the game stall.In post 116, ClearlyClarity wrote:Some townies saw your reaction tests for what they really are and didn't bother responding, which makes your complaint about town doing nothing pretty redundant there-
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Do I really need to mention it? I'd rather not butt in and focus on other players while still monitoring your slots and my read on the both of you is before you both engaged each other and I'd rather not reveal why.In post 117, Klick wrote:^^^
RP, if you already thought Pikachu and I was TvT, why not mention that before now? That's worth mentioning, that could start a discussion.
Why do you think that, anyway?
You're spending an awful lot of time doing things that you now say should have zero bearing on your alignment. And they're not engaging discussion - this is evident in the fact that no one engaged with them. So what are you actually doing?-
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I have a gutread from urap2 posts that he doesn't know my alignment.In post 179, Detective Pikachu wrote:
why are you towning urap and chemist here?In post 130, RedPanda wrote:u r a person 2
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Why did you respond to that post and not the vote on you?In post 67, EspressoPatronum wrote:
Lol you even switched your location to Ryme CityIn post 65, Tim Goodman wrote:I live outside of Ryme City and I commute on odd nights and possibly even nights as well, please don't target me with night actions!
these two posts are good enough for me to put in townpile.In post 97, Chemist1422 wrote:
Sorry I got unexpectedly busy with other stuff (not exactly allowed to talk about) yesterdayIn post 82, Klick wrote:Alright Creature, I'm starting to see your point.
Yo Chemist, there's been a fair amount of game discussion already. Any reads/thoughts?
I don’t see DP’s reasons for scumreading you, I saw your reaction as somewhat counterpoking and I think they’re overblowing it into full OMGUS, though I can’t tell if it’s intentional or not
I don’t think I can read Creature yet without seeing what he does with the stuff he’s gotten from the poking
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In post 183, Cinnamon wrote:I agree with DP here Klick's push seems to be pretty bad. I don't think their reasons for pushing Pikachu are good at all.In post 188, Cinnamon wrote:I have a bit of an EP scumread here. Their response to 67 and not 68 kind of suggests that they're trying to get Tim on their side, or at least take the spotlight off them. While it's not scum indicative to push on lurkers it's an easy way to generate a read as scum and it also helps bring attention to other players when he's getting pushed.In post 226, Cinnamon wrote:Tim or anybody else townreading Ep rn could you explain your EP townread?
This looks like scum posting an opinion on the dp slot after a few of us already townread it and moving on to the espresso wagon after a few scumread it and now is stuck and flailing around now that espresso heat is gone.In post 227, Cinnamon wrote:From my perspective 219 is pretty townie from CC but I didn't see anything that stood out to me as townie from EP.-
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In post 192, ClearlyClarity wrote:Pikachu is town and I’m not seeing any non-RVS reasoning for his wagon tbhIn post 217, ClearlyClarity wrote:
By "something cool" I don't mean "interrogate me because I'm on your arbitrary lurker prodlist" but w/e.In post 196, EspressoPatronum wrote:
Kk, so you have DP as town. Any scumreads?In post 193, ClearlyClarity wrote:Call me back when something cool happens.
You made your vote in Klick in RVS. Do you still agree with your vote? Why/why not?
You're my biggest scumread rn. Klick is like... muddled. 105 was kinda bad but they actually try to scumhunt, even if misguided or reaction-testy.
I feel this is the same as cinnamon but this slot just backed off.In post 219, ClearlyClarity wrote:
Honestly? You're right. Sorry. I signed up for too many games and I've always been more miserable in games outside of Newbie queue. I hate being in the dark about reads. Your posting has actually been p towny and I OMGUS'd out of annoyance.In post 218, EspressoPatronum wrote:Can you share why/how you got to your scumread of me? As it stands, it looks like it's either a bandwagon read or an OMGUS.-
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It's either town trying to move the game forward or scum trying to get townread for it which is why I said it's not alignment indicative and to read me based on how i'm hunting scum.In post 350, Tim Goodman wrote:Ceejay / URAP isos are toxic waste.
Creature is missing some zest and hasn't been approaching this quite like I expect him to as scum.
I'm still diffident about Detective Pikachu.
LUVs's iso feels pretty bad.
RedPanda's iso feels pretty bad and like he's trying to be townread for his 'moving the game forwardness'
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This pinged my scumdar but I could be biased because of your prev slot.In post 309, Gamma Emerald wrote:
If you don't like the games and are going to bash others for liking them like this, get the fuck out now. I'm not gonna tolerate this at all. Also, where is your evidence for the dog fighting claim?In post 78, u r a person 2 wrote:I played pokemon red when it came out. it was okay
haven't touched the stuff since
but making animals fight each other is cruel. did you know that millennials who consider themselves pokemon fans are less likely to think dog fighting is wrong than those who don't? yeah, that's some messed up stuff, huh?
Your next few posts were good though especially the ones about cc
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Don’t you mean...In post 176, Klick wrote:Choo choo
Pika-choo choo?In post 192, ClearlyClarity wrote:Pikachu is town and I’m not seeing any non-RVS reasoning for his wagon tbh
This isn't good imoIn post 193, ClearlyClarity wrote:Call me back when something cool happens.In post 334, Gamma Emerald wrote:
What about CC's posting was town?In post 212, Tim Goodman wrote:{TG, CC, EP} is a good starting groundIn post 340, Gamma Emerald wrote:
This makes sense because despite you being scum in Lynch The Wolves you made a play that this statement reminded me of.In post 335, Tim Goodman wrote:I would prefer not to wind up getting policy copped N1 and having someone claim what they want to see as a guilty with a no result on me.
I think the risk of that happening is greater than the advantage gained by baiting and wasting a single nightkill in a game that starts at odds.
I really don't agree but whatever, quite confident on you being town rnIn post 336, Tim Goodman wrote:She just feels town. We'll see if Pine does anything to change that.-
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But did you just ignore my case against you both? If you were objective you could see that I was targeting slots that were being opportunistic.In post 352, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Now that I've come around on CC I don't like this post, feels like targeting LHF lurkersIn post 228, RedPanda wrote:cinnamon and cc are scum. Will post in sometime.
Now I think I caught two scum and you were just trying to bus the other at first and uturned after tim gave you some slack.In post 358, Gamma Emerald wrote:
This reinforces how I feel about RPIn post 233, RedPanda wrote:In post 192, ClearlyClarity wrote:Pikachu is town and I’m not seeing any non-RVS reasoning for his wagon tbhIn post 217, ClearlyClarity wrote:
By "something cool" I don't mean "interrogate me because I'm on your arbitrary lurker prodlist" but w/e.In post 196, EspressoPatronum wrote:
Kk, so you have DP as town. Any scumreads?In post 193, ClearlyClarity wrote:Call me back when something cool happens.
You made your vote in Klick in RVS. Do you still agree with your vote? Why/why not?
You're my biggest scumread rn. Klick is like... muddled. 105 was kinda bad but they actually try to scumhunt, even if misguided or reaction-testy.
I feel this is the same as cinnamon but this slot just backed off.In post 219, ClearlyClarity wrote:
Honestly? You're right. Sorry. I signed up for too many games and I've always been more miserable in games outside of Newbie queue. I hate being in the dark about reads. Your posting has actually been p towny and I OMGUS'd out of annoyance.In post 218, EspressoPatronum wrote:Can you share why/how you got to your scumread of me? As it stands, it looks like it's either a bandwagon read or an OMGUS.
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Still wanna hold to this push now that they've replaced out?In post 271, RedPanda wrote:I was waiting for both cinnamon and clearity reactions to my post to vote for the scummier one but since clearity is ignoring this game, I'm forced to choose.
I don't like that cinnamon ignored my post. Seems like cinnamon is scared of a back and forth that might happen.
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In my mafia experience there's always one scum that fakes being town while the others try to be in the middle. It's possible that there's one that's in my town reads but I can only catch that scum based on their scumhunting this game and poe.In post 353, Klick wrote:
On the subject of RP, I found this post in particular to be less of a game-solving list and more of a 'I crossed off everyone who made an impression on me'. The people left on his list were the players that had posted least, with URAP replaced by EP.In post 130, RedPanda wrote:u r a person 2
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It was because of this post from dp. When I first read it it he pinged me as scum because, It was only three pages and most of it was rvs and this guy seemed to be trying too hard with the "analysis" but then I read tim and creature and I completely agreed with his read and townread him for good townhunting in three pages. But I didn't want to waste the opportunity which I why I called him a scumbag and tried to reaction test others to see who would jump at calling him scum but people didn't want to engage which is why I was so frustrated.In post 73, RedPanda wrote:
I will write 20 pages of analysis too scumbag.In post 71, Detective Pikachu wrote:Pretty ok with tim and creature for town, rest of my analysis will have to wait until Monday.-
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Tim I don't think urap2 is scum.
Read that post. I can see why you would think that's him bussing cause I see it too but I am town.In post 109, u r a person 2 wrote:Redpanda, otoh, is likely scum. Their posts feel like those of a hyperposter. Like, read a post in isolation and it feels like it's coming from someone who is making moves and getting reads from how others respond
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In post 521, ofrhz wrote:
at a computer now, so I can quote more easilyIn post 476, ofrhz wrote:
probably just because of 378In post 408, EspressoPatronum wrote:
Welcome!In post 405, ofrhz wrote:Hi fellow trainers I’m your new CJV
Can you elaborate on why?
This just seems reachy. The quoted post seems like RP decided to scumread the CC/Cinnamon slot and is justifying holding onto his read for questionable reasonsIn post 378, RedPanda wrote:Now I think I caught two scum and you were just trying to bus the other at first and uturned after tim gave you some slack.
My style of mafia is to townhunt and then poe scum.In post 130, RedPanda wrote:u r a person 2
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I've already explained my urap2 and dp read.
Uzi klick and creature tried to lead town which is why I'm not considering them as scum.
Tim is leading town right now.
apart from klick they are also townhunting and trying to game solve by poe. I'm townreading numerous posts of theirs.
Imo, If there is competent scum in the game, There would be only one out of these four+pikachu(I think he did try to lead town for the first few pages and then stopped after klick scumread him) who is trying to take control of town and to accurately catch that one on day one is impossible and would just hurt us if we lynched a good townie. I'd rather bank on power roles and flips to catch the wolf.
I'm going to spoilerpost all of chemists posts that gave me a townread.
Spoiler: chemist
The only issue I have with chemist is that he's not trying to lead a lynch. That's gives me slight scumvibes
Now this leaves Gamma, Pine, ohrz, pinkball and espresso.
I know people are townreading espresso but I was scumreading him until cinnamon and clearity scumread him together.
Also this post from pine pinged me as scum trying to townread someone to get towncred but it could be me tunneling. I'm confident that pine and espresso are not scum together.In post 520, Pine wrote:Self-assuredness, confidence in one's own record.
The best way to defend yourself is to simply BE Town and do Townish things. EP here is asserting that I'll inevitably come to that conclusion if I just read his ISO. We'll see.
Pinkballs tone did read town to me but the self destructiveness and the playstyle itself is something hard to judge alignment.
I've already cased gamma and pine. I would read the slots as null today if gamma and pine both towntold so much that it made me question my case on cinnamon and clearity. But I don't like that gamma misrepped my case as targetting lhf lurkers. I feel like a townie would recognize that my point was valid and try and convince me that it was just a lazy townie.
And this post pings me so hard. If gamma thought I was scum or leaning scum, He should just engage me and convince others. This reads more like gamma knows I'm town and is trying to alpha his way to make me townread him for his confidence.In post 367, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Still wanna hold to this push now that they've replaced out?In post 271, RedPanda wrote:I was waiting for both cinnamon and clearity reactions to my post to vote for the scummier one but since clearity is ignoring this game, I'm forced to choose.
I don't like that cinnamon ignored my post. Seems like cinnamon is scared of a back and forth that might happen.
Vote cinnamon
my scumread on Pine is lower than gamma just like my scumread on clearity is lower than cinnamon. Clearity is lower than cinnamon because I assign more scumminess to flailing than backing out and It's harder to read pine because he replaced in and I find nothing wrong with his posts except that my gut is telling me that he's scum trying to get townread for correctly reading posts that are townie or scummy in nature.
Spoiler: pine
Or it could be town actually doing it, So I'm calling it null and reverting to my poe and clearity read.
In post 623, Pine wrote:When am I ever trustworthy?
I like these two posts though. I like the self awareness and although I consider it NAI, I consider the slot a strong player and I'm not willing to lose him todayIn post 625, Pine wrote:Well that’s your mistake I suppose.
In all seriousness, I’m less trustworthy than usual, because I’m a replacement too, and I’m still getting my bearings. It doesn’t help that no one in this game seems interested in my questions.
until I get a gamma flip to make sure my reads are good this game.
In post 636, Gamma Emerald wrote:More sass than salt imoIn post 637, Pine wrote:I calls em like I sees em
Is it just me or does this seem like scum/scum interaction to anyone else? First two posts are fine but the third and fourth ping me.In post 638, Gamma Emerald wrote:K
As for Ohrz, Apart from Ceejay's first post that pinged me as scum, I'm not reading him as either alignment. There's not enough of ceejay posts and Ohrz hard tunneling me is just throwing me off, I just don't know.-
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why not apply this to gamma?In post 705, Tim Goodman wrote:I feel like historically I've been a shit ton of games where I was the only one who scumread someone playing hyper aggressively and I usually ended up being right
I think that -oh that confidence is towny- isn't good logic here. scum would need to do something big with this entrance with how tight the PoE pool already is. this is a situation to make a push like that.-
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I'm your senior in mafiaIn post 708, Creature wrote:
I used that line quite a lot in my town career, hehe.In post 641, RedPanda wrote:My style of mafia is to townhunt and then poe scum.-
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In post 709, Creature wrote:
idk about Klich, isn't something that couldn't have been faked.In post 641, RedPanda wrote:Uzi klick and creature tried to lead town which is why I'm not considering them as scum.
Meanwhile I think I townread Uzi for other reasons.
I agree but speculating about who is faking is hard without flips.In post 710, Creature wrote:
This doesn't mean shit about RC though.In post 641, RedPanda wrote:Tim is leading town right now.-
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Well, let's see your wallpostIn post 711, Creature wrote:
Woah, that's like a lot of hard disagrees there.In post 643, RedPanda wrote:tldr
scummy to least in my scum reads.
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Are you even reading my posts?In post 724, Menalque wrote:Also I haven’t forgotten that I still owe the thread a case on cinn but I’m still on mobile and I refuse to do that until I can sit down with my laptop-
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DP did step back but I'm reading it as him accepting that he's not able to drive anything today.In post 728, Klick wrote:
Seriously, everyone should do this. I'm rarely confident in early reads but I'm like 80% sure this is scum and that's huge for this stage in the game.In post 537, Klick wrote:Everyone should read DP's ISO for the last five days (since the day after his V/LA ended) and then vote for DP.
We have three days and little consensus - we need to consolidate somewhere. No one vocal seems to have a good reason to townread Pikachu, yet this wagon never actually picked up off the ground. We need to get a proper wagon going and I have a great deal of confidence in this lead.-
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it's your playstyleIn post 733, Pink Ball wrote:Hey look at that, everyone's scumreading me, that means even my partners agree I should be wagoned-
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Ceejay's first post gave me a scumping but rest are null. You were also null which is why I'm not even pushing for you. I don't remember who your secnd town read is but don't you think the timing of cinnamon posting an opinion on dp slot and the ep slot is suspect? Gamma is a replacement. He has the advantage of posting opinions on prior content from an objective pov. People should not townread him for that. I found the gamma uturn on the cc slot suspect.In post 737, ofrhz wrote:I disagree with your townreads on urap and dp and this poe doesn't inspire any confidence, since it contains two of my stronger townreads and there's me. In general, I don't find your cases that compelling and if there's interest I can go point by point when i have time
If I backed off I'm scum for being scared, If I stayed on I'm scum for still pushing him. I don't see how that helps him, I still think he was trying to make people townread him for confidence.In post 737, ofrhz wrote:I thought this was a towny Gamma post, because i can see how he is trying to see if you were willing to re-evaluate reads-
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????In post 739, ofrhz wrote:
I don't see how you think I'm hard tunneling hereIn post 641, RedPanda wrote:Ohrz hard tunneling me is just throwing me off, I just don't know.
Most of my few posts have been about you sure, but at the same time, I haven't really had the time to do much else since replacing inand I ISO'd you because of some post that pinged me
I think "hard tunneling" is an odd characterizationhere-
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This is NAIIn post 756, ofrhz wrote:
I found this towny for GammaIn post 630, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Yeah you're coming off as irl scum so really back this the fuck upIn post 583, Menalque wrote:
But he didn’t though? Didn’t know about the family in hospital thing and I’m sorry to hear it but doesn’t change the fact that he didn’tIn post 580, Tim Goodman wrote:That's a pretty bad entrance?
Also I spoke to cinnamon unrelated to this game and he had a family member in the hospital; you're kind of pushy about this Cinnamon didn't siteflake thing.-
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In post 746, Detective Pikachu wrote:What do you think of the fact that Cinnamon said "rn" or "right now" about almost all of his reads?Pikachu is town.
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do you not find a selfvote with less than 2 days left and the other wagon with only 2 votes to be a wifomy gambit?In post 945, Klick wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if this was his town strategy as well though, that's the problem I'm having with buying into FB-scum.In post 878, Tim Goodman wrote:fire has the same scum strategy in all his scum games, pretend to be nonchalant about being wagoned until people get second thoughts about it.-
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can only judge someones scumhunting and interactions with flips.In post 954, Creature wrote:
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It 100% deserves a lynch.In post 962, Klick wrote:
Of course it is. But that's not scum-indicative in this situation, and certainly not enough to justify a quickhammer.In post 953, RedPanda wrote:
do you not find a selfvote with less than 2 days left and the other wagon with only 2 votes to be a wifomy gambit?In post 945, Klick wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if this was his town strategy as well though, that's the problem I'm having with buying into FB-scum.In post 878, Tim Goodman wrote:fire has the same scum strategy in all his scum games, pretend to be nonchalant about being wagoned until people get second thoughts about it.-
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In post 966, Firebringer wrote:I find it funny you found my self vote to be a gambit when I literally had a self conversation with myself and was shit posting all over that page lol. Were you actually thinking or did u just see a self vote?
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In post 999, Gamma Emerald wrote:Did Menalque post that case at all, if not at this point he should probably be lynched
sure gamma
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In post 995, Menalque wrote:Which is funny bc apart from being way off base on me and FB I could conceivably see it being DP and creature w/ gamma
DP is town check post 746 750.
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In post 1057, EspressoPatronum wrote:I read through his ISO again + it generally feels more towny than scummy. I'm not super confident with my read on him though, so I'd say he's on the towny side of null for me.
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In post 643, RedPanda wrote:tldr
scummy to least in my scum reads.
Gamma
Pine
Ohrz
Pinkball
Espresso(If pine flips scum espresso is town)
Scummy to least in my town reads.
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Creature If I were to trust tim reads, You know you would be the scum right? Which is why you should look at my reads and see the difference. Scum prob killed him because they didn't want him to reevaluate his reads or they were scared of his ability to lead a lynch which I still don't get why people just blind follow him but I'm assuming he was good at other games.In post 646, Tim Goodman wrote:Gamma Emerald Cinnamon
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Menalque u r a person 2
Firebringer Lil Uzi Vert, Dr worm
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