Well, yeah.In post 1139, Auro wrote:We need to lock this in D1, though.
It's a lot less clear-cut now than it was earlier, so I wouldn't be broken up if we didn't do it.
-Smart
Well, yeah.In post 1139, Auro wrote:We need to lock this in D1, though.
Auro are you still close to this post in terms of mindset for today's lynch?In post 1177, Auro wrote:Cool, then why really bother if I'm pushing you as the lynch?In post 1168, nomnomnom wrote:I just want a flip even if it's mine
Nope, I would strongly suggest against Karnage unless 1/0 and Crayon both feel that should be the lynch. Nom should be the lynch and if not, Allo; and GL/Skitter/Myself should all be off wagon definitely. I know you want him in the townbloc, Smart, but still. Still feel cop shouldn't be leashed
we are on nomIn post 1265, BBmolla wrote:okay seriously Limit can you just pick the lynch and wagon this is getting sloppy
Uh.... hate to break it to you but you were the first person off the Allomancer wagon after it hit L-1. However, it’s not clear whether you picked up on the soft. You were followed by GL unvoting directly after (whom I believe did pick up on the soft there). Will reread that section and see if I get anything out of those pages.In post 1321, acryon wrote:Yeah...
So who put the brakes on the Allo wagon and in what manner did they do it? That's where I'm looking.
1) Why would you need him to claim if he already softed?In post 1331, skitter30 wrote:if i were scum here i'm not sure why i wouldn't have run him up and forced him to claim
I thought you saw it and decided it wasn’t a soft? That’s the impression I got from our convo re: me not wanting to lynch Allomancer slot at end of D1In post 1336, Auro wrote:What was this obvious crumb, Skitter?
Yes I know, but when you asked skitter where the soft was it seems like you didn’t know.In post 1344, Auro wrote:Well, I knew it was a risk to kill him, but wanted to pressure him considerably to make him less likely as an NK too. I remember saying I knew your reasons and am still proceeding, etc?In post 1338, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:I thought you saw it and decided it wasn’t a soft? That’s the impression I got from our convo re: me not wanting to lynch Allomancer slot at end of D1In post 1336, Auro wrote:What was this obvious crumb, Skitter?
- Smarter
Uh I don’t think you’re understanding my question.In post 1340, skitter30 wrote:so that we wouldn't be having this conversation ....In post 1335, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:1) Why would you need him to claim if he already softed?In post 1331, skitter30 wrote:if i were scum here i'm not sure why i wouldn't have run him up and forced him to claim
2) I don’t think you would have been able to join the wagon without suspicion given you were supposed to be in the copbloc?
- Smarter
and even with the cop-bloc we were having wagons earlier on in the day, i could vote someone without ultimately ending up on the lynch wagon
1 - Are you saying that skitter only being “pretty sure” that GL saw the same crumb is fishy? Like, is it the degree of surety that you are questioning or something else?In post 1347, Auro wrote:1. Whether there was something else that made it obvious. Skitter said GL "likely" saw it, when GL blatantly responded to it with "better not be what I think it is" after that statement - a little fishyIn post 1345, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:Yes I know, but when you asked skitter where the soft was it seems like you didn’t know.
How would pressuring him make him less likely to be NK?
2. Reflects that I don't believe the crumb, and also paints them as a very mislynchable candidate the next day: so if you're not *sure* as scum that they're TA, forcing their claim next day isn't a bad prospect, etc
Excuse me?In post 1317, Eve wrote:the scumteam's probably quite competent if they correctly ascertained Allo was traffic guy and risked killing a highly mislynchable potential townie
VOTE: skitter
it's you isn't it
GL pretty clearly suggested that he was backing off because he saw the soft.In post 1321, acryon wrote:So who put the brakes on the Allo wagon and in what manner did they do it? That's where I'm looking.
Did you notice the soft?In post 1328, acryon wrote:Oh I know I was one that put the brakes on it at one point, but I don't have to question my own motives
Because then the people pushing him look bad and he might retaliate and try to wagon you?In post 1331, skitter30 wrote:if i were scum here i'm not sure why i wouldn't have run him up and forced him to claim
Oh you said that like a page after lol.In post 1358, acryon wrote:Pedit: No.
But on the flip side, it'd be kinda remarkable to be under that much pressure as scum and still refuse to fake any reads, no?In post 1334, skitter30 wrote:... it's day2 and we've had flips already
i'm kinda not sure how you don't have any reads at this point ...
I think most people would pick the town lynch in this situation.In post 1349, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:Theory question: would scum always go for a NL over ML? Like, is it better for them to have town!nom lynched D1 or no lynch at all?
- Smarter
For the record, I didn't notice it until lilith brought it up to me. I don't think it was THAT obvious.In post 1364, acryon wrote:I know I didn't spot the soft, but it seems like almost everyone else did.
It looked like GL was pretty confident in the soft. I can definitely see him doing that as scum.In post 1369, Auro wrote:What's interesting to me is GL's trajectory from being annoyed at inclusion in the cop bloc, to *asking* to leash a cop on himself at the end of the day. Dangerous play unless 100% certain of Allo TA, but very very very good payoff.
Possibly? I don't really see why not, if that's what he thought he'd do as town.In post 1374, acryon wrote:But would he also call out that he noticed the soft?
I think Smart’s post was @acryon who seems to be saying that scum!GL wouldn’t reveal that he knew it was a softIn post 1383, Auro wrote:I think I'm going deeper than that? Specifically how his confidence can affect his dayplay and trajectory towards the lynch and willingness to be in the bloc, etc.In post 1379, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:I mean, are we suspecting him because we know that scum figured out the soft and we know that he figured out the soft? I don't really think revealing it would be detrimental to scum-him, since it's entirely possible that scum figured out the soft and didn't let on that they did.
I don't think many scum confidently choose to NK Allomancer.
I think I agree with you here that GL has some confusing switches in his stance on being in the bloc but I’m not sure yet whether I think it’s ill-intentioned.In post 1383, Auro wrote:I think I'm going deeper than that? Specifically how his confidence can affect his dayplay and trajectory towards the lynch and willingness to be in the bloc, etc.In post 1379, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:I mean, are we suspecting him because we know that scum figured out the soft and we know that he figured out the soft? I don't really think revealing it would be detrimental to scum-him, since it's entirely possible that scum figured out the soft and didn't let on that they did.
Why is that?I don't think many scum confidently choose to NK Allomancer.
A bit but not much.In post 1394, skitter30 wrote:that is a ... remarkably backwards way of looking at acryon's vote thereIn post 1361, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:So @acryon, who out of those deflating the Allo wagon do you think did so the most suspiciously?
Cause I kinda think it’s you. You were the first one to back off the wagon but at deadline you were happy to divert attention from the nom wagon which was basically the only viable wagon at that point and you tried to lynch Allomancer instead.
- Smarter
also have you two discussed the flip at all together?
Also yeah Sausasaurus hasn’t done anything and I’m gonna go dig up some questions I remember asking himIn post 1389, acryon wrote:Do you haveIn post 1325, SausasaurusRex wrote: It was kind of me, but it was because I wanted more information before deciding on a lynch, not because I specifically didn’t want to lynch Allomancer.anythoughts on this game and who might be scum/town? Thoughts on the interactions with the Allo wagon, etc?
The is the only post of even mild substance in basically two weeks.In post 1157, SausasaurusRex wrote:@Auro, I think Allomancer towned up in his recent posts. Why is it that you still think he should be the lynch?
UNVOTE:
In post 932, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:Sausasaurus you have yet to respond to my 417 and 437.
Also, what was your read on Allomancer when you voted him in 802?
- Smarter
I feel like here you are indicating a strong (or at least stronger) townread on Karnage..In post 1429, acryon wrote:Switch Eve and GL and it's the same for me.In post 1428, Auro wrote:I know it isn't. Don't think I necessarily need a vote to make my pushes , but yeah I'll be more active in a while.
I think {Acryon, Eve, Karnage, 1/0} are all town.
Molla is also town.
GL, perhaps.
PoE of {Skitter, Rex} then.
But here you imply the read is weak enough that you would vote him if he maintains his current level of activity.In post 1445, acryon wrote:I don't doubt that it's a possibility he's scum here, and if I don't see some real action from him soon, I'll be ready to move there too. I guess I just would expect more from a player of his tenure as either alignment honestly.In post 1444, GuiltyLion wrote:idk I feel Karnage's play here is similar to my own as scum (tempted to reference the aforementioned Newbie game again ), where you just aim to sound town by tone/reasoning and post & do as little as you can get away with. He's getting away with not doing a whole lot it seems!
Some people just lurk because of RL, though.In post 1443, acryon wrote:Since he's a competent player, I guess I wouldn't expect him to lurk-scum? I know I would never lurk-scum even if it's a good strategy.
Can you explain what gave you a scum impression of skitter?In post 1437, Eve wrote:Guilty and Auro are probably town
skitter is a little off and my only scum impression
Also why don't you think Karnage is scum?
Are you scumreading Karnage?
Is it a coincidence that skitter and GL are the two people voting you?In post 1343, Karnage wrote:I have some reads but I just don't think they're worth much. I think TLDE, auro, and acryon are town. Eve is probably town too.In post 1334, skitter30 wrote:... it's day2 and we've had flips already
i'm kinda not sure how you don't have any reads at this point ...
That leaves scum in skitter, GL, BB, and SR.
Gun to my head I'd say SR is town and BB idk. I'd prefer to lynch either skit/GL today
Sorry I did not.In post 1463, skitter30 wrote:@smarter, did you not see this?In post 1401, skitter30 wrote:no? nom was a mislynch so why would scum switch at that point ...In post 1396, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:What about it do you think is backwards? It seemed like acryon was getting cold feet about a nom wagon as we got close to deadline and he tried to restart an Allo wagon. It’s possible that at that point scum could have pushed a deadline Allo lynch without getting a hardclaim. Do you disagree?
it was a few hours before deadline iirc and i dont' think allo was viable at that point; allo could and should have been pushed earlier if that was what scum were trying to do
In post 1, northsidegal wrote:SETUP
The setup is City That Never Sleeps.
2 Mafia Goons
1 Traffic Analyst
8 City Planners
Can you answer my question?In post 1501, Titus wrote:If GuiltyLion is scum, his partner is not likely skitter or acryon. It would only be BBMolla if scum desperately felt scared and needed to control the wagons today, and I don't see that happening.
That leaves Eve, TLDNE, Karnage and Auro. I don't see scum!GL bussing Karnage here. So remove Karnage.
So if GL is scum, then Eve, TLDNE, or Auro is likely his partner.
Thanks. Can you explain what about the VCA makes them seem different to you?In post 1507, Titus wrote:I think this is it.In post 1497, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:Why do you consider GL to be voteparking but not skitter?
- Smarter
I consider GL's votepark more of a scummy votepark. Skitter looks more like a tunnel than a lazy votepark if that makes sense from just eyeballing the VCA.
Slip? As in not realizing we did the stuff related to wagon comp? I don’t think that’s AI, why do you?