Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

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hi everybody! hi tanner! hi morning tweet! happy to see u guys again. idk why but day rvs has become one of my favorite game phases lately

is that a cat???

HURT: catboi

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so i had some setup questions, im not sure if the mod should answer these or if we should hash out what the best course here is, i didnt want to think about the setup too much until the game started

Town immediately wins if four town players are spared and no mafia is spared, and mafia immediately wins if two mafia or Chara are spared.

uh, scum wins if if two scum are spared, where scum are goons / chara, or is sparing the chara an automatic game over?

Chara has a bouquet of buttercups. If a townie is fought and there are no spared players, Chara will eat buttercups and die. In the alternative, once two players are spared, Chara will eat buttercups and die. Eating buttercups doesn't trigger Vengeful.

i kind of don't get any of this, what's the point of the vengeful role if it basically can't get triggered? seems like the best play is to fight someone immediately (fight! fight! fight!) because that would automatically also kill the Chara. (also what's a chara?) or we could spare twice, would that lead to a better day 4? but we definitely have to commit to one or two of these courses of action, right?

also, maybe this is obvious, but it all means that even w/ 2 votecounts we can only do one of spare/fight on a given day right

Four : If town hasn't already won or lost, the town immediately spares another player, then all players in the game thread perish without flipping and the occupants of the Spared PT return to the game thread. Those players vote on one guess of the remaining mafia, and win or lose on its correctness.

i think this makes sense but it seems like the hardest of the outcomes for us to win

One to three :

The mafia must choose an unspared player to be publicly investigated for each living mafia.

Skip night 4. Return spared players to the game thread. If mafia was spared, the mafia immediately wins if two of its players survive the day 5 decision.

bolded makes no sense to me. if by d4 town has spared 1-3 times, then... town gets a public cop result for each living scum? why isn't this the best town outcome?

Zero : The mafia must choose two players to be publicly investigated. If Chara was fought, the mafia must choose everyone. Skip night 4.

except, isn't this saying if the chara is killed and no one is spared, we basically autowin?

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i also Have Thoughs, we should do genocide.

hi!! they say you can't lynch a puppy, but can you Fight a puppy?

it's ok, i'm all bark no bite!

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thanks isis! sorryr for not bolding

so genocide is just better right? at least to start? sparing has a 1/12 chance of just plain losing the game, fighting has a 1/12 chance of hitting the vengeful but that would help in the Zero spare route and even if we hit town we'll still be setting up more cop clears in the 1-3 route.

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yeah, pretty sure killing is just better here. is that a meta-commentary on the game of mafia? we could chose to work together but always end up fighting instead. we could be loving and kind and caring, but... killing is just better anyways. uh, neat. kill on!

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now we play mafia!
HURT: lavender

This is town af

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HURT: hectic

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@mod: would you mind adding majority to your votecounts? something like "with 12 alive it takes 7 to spare or fight" (i think that's the rignt number for today)

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now we play mafia!
HURT: lavender

This is town af

pedit: hm. i'll agree.

whichever one of you gives me a better/more convincing/funnier explanation on why you think so gets 5 free TownPoints™ [limited time offer] [batteries not included]

this is town af

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darn, i wanted you to scumread me. tanner/puppy townbloc it is then, but i'm not happy about it!

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One to three : The mafia must choose an unspared player to be publicly investigated for each living mafia. Skip night 4. Return spared players to the game thread. If mafia was spared, the mafia immediately wins if two of its players survive the day 5 decision.
Zero : The mafia must choose two players to be publicly investigated. If Chara was fought, the mafia must choose everyone. Skip night 4.

I think 1-3 could be better in one or two cases. 0 is better if chara gets fought, but 1-3 is better if no scum get eliminated (though that would depend on chara living which is unlikely?) Hm, maybe 0 spares straight up is better

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i kind of really want sparing to work, but i just don't think it does

how do you figure that sparing works best in the first two days? that's also when we could spare chara and that's an autoloss. if you spare early you also increase the risk of the chara surviving

also though

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if you spare early you also increase the risk of the chara surviving

how do you figure that?
If there are 2 spares chara dies

the only way for the chara to live is 1 spare then one fight right? so an early spare is necessary for scum here

if we commit to sparing twice that's one thing, but if we spare today and then fight tomorrow someone is getting the stinkeye

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HEAL: CantLynchAPuppy

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reading all this, i think the right play is:

fight today
fight or spare tomorrow

fight today gives a chance of hitting chara -> autowin, and even if we hit town we get the chara anyways. that's two flips

if we spare today, we basically have to spare tomorrow too or the chara squirms out. that's two days without flips except nightkills which seems like too much imo. but if we wanted to spare tomorrow, 1-3 spares isn't that different from the 0 spares path (?)

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townhunting is powerful, better than scumhunting imo, but we can townhunt inside the fight framework too. even if it's not as fun as doing somtehing different by sparing ( )

but if we're going to spare anyone, it should be me because 1) im town 2) im obvtown

(ok, ok, besides tanner from earlier i also kind of like pooky, i just think there are some good vibes there. i want to like hectic more than i actually do rn tbh)

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god i wish that was true

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aw, thanks! hi chara, i'm puppy! if you do something cool maybe i'll townread you (do something cool do something cool do something cool)

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damn. how can scum compete with this?

chara, what do you think of pooky? tanner? i played a game once with tanner where iw as technically scum, so i kind of think he sounds like that game, but i think my light tr is also half wanting him to be town so we can play town together as an apology. pooky just gives off good vibes. idk, it's kind of early still in day to have any good reads, but i'm bored with setup spec and i want to talk about something else

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i scumread Elements. what do you think about them?

nothing but if you make a scumcase i'll sheep it. why do you scumread him? i def don't agree w/ the pro-spare argument, i'm trying to decide if arguing it is inherently scummy (this is on my mind wrt hectic too.) it's probably too extreme to just assume it has to be bad faith right?

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alternatively, elements could do something really awesome and we could realign into the cute animal avatar townblock alliance supreme

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ok, that's actually a really good point

HURT: elements

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alternatively, elements could do something really awesome and we could realign into the cute animal avatar townblock alliance supreme

The best thing I have ever made.

this is pretty cool ngl. but is it town cool? are you a cool enough dude for this townbloc?

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hectic who would you spare right now

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hectic who would you spare right now

changing your tune a bit

?

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Yes

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No

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Hectic wants to spare but isn't actually voting anyone for spare. So it's fair to ask, does he have anyone in mind? So far that slot is mostly just mech talk. Let the man speak for himself!

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Launchy pal, how is 120 "solely mechtalk"?
it's based on others' mechtalk but non-mech reads

i said your slot was mostly mechtalk, not solely mechtalk, also 120 isn't yours?

why catboi for the spare

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yes, i read the post 2 posts before i poked you to develop your reads a little

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i asked you who you would spare, and said your slot was mostly mechtalk and you said this:

Launchy pal, how is 120 "solely mechtalk"?

now that we've clarified that you meant 190, you say this:

that's the post i meant to link to earlier and that's why i think catboi is town
why are you dissatisfied with my explanation?
also why are you so prickly

uh? i wasn't picking at your explanation, i was trying to get you to develop some non-mech talk, 190 didn't really answer my question? actually, i started this post thinking there was some sort of contradiction here, i guess it's not as strong as i thought, maybe we're just talking past each other? ok, spare catboi because you think his ev mech was genuine

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tanner/puppy townbloc is a-go, this is not a drill! awoooooooooooga

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i kind of want to do more, but i also feel pretty ok atm. im ok with my townreads, i'm ok with my votes on elements, and i'm ok with my position on the fight/spare thing. not sure what else there is to do except wait for other people to firm themselves up a bit. (and then you can vote elements with me!)

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(ok, ok, besides tanner from earlier i also kind of like pooky, i just think there are some good vibes there. i want to like hectic more than i actually do rn tbh)

can you talk about your ~good vibes~ on pooky? i'm lowkey feeling nervous due to the push for spares

answer this in the meantime?

oh yeah, right sorry (<_<)

i went through to iso pooky and didn't find as much as i wanted tbh. ithink the vibes come through more during liveposting? in the context of the thread? i did like these posts:

Spoiler:

i think we can probly get to 4 good spares ez if we play with our hearts open

i have been given feedback that my more angry side is very bad and I am making an effort to be more radiantly optimistic in games instead

we must purge thoughts of violence from our hearts to defeat the evil

alternatively, elements could do something really awesome and we could realign into the cute animal avatar townblock alliance supreme

this would be beyond awesome if it worked

I think it will be more challenging to win the game via pacifism but I have faith in the goodness of our hearts shining through bright and beautiful

i just kind of like that "trust in the heart of the cards" "i assert i am obvtown" vibe. maybe that's kind of weak? i like that he's voting to self-heal (im doing that too, i think it's the obvious play but scum wouldn't be bold enough to do) but i guess i also want to see if he has anyone he wants to spare now that i think about it

@pooky: whose hearts are shining bright with good town spare vibes?

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hm. how would we agree on who gets nominated?

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i nominate catboi

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this is like some pirate king shit where everyone votes for themselves so it ends in a tie, so i'm definitely voting for someone else so, yo ho yo ho, catboi is pirate king for me

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prod dodge! sorry guys, was trying to enjoy the weekend, i'll post more later and catch up and all

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This game feels so disconnected I think puppy was the bridge plz come back

aw thanks, this was sweet! but, who are you?

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i read the stuff i missed (actually i skimmed because my mind keeped glazing over, nobody said anything good lol)

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puppy:

39 actually kind of pinged me hard when he made it? Just this big pile of setup questions out in the open to start things off, that triggered my gut along with the early snap townread of Tanner in 48 for a post I didn't feel was particularly telling. Tone of 62 actually kind of funny/good, though? Light assessment. I don't really like 139 though. The comment of "good vibes" from pooky just is way weird and I don't care for him asserting he's town this way. Main suspicion just sheeping onto Chara's Elements vote in 155/161 besides that doesn't have much else. Response to Hectic's questioning in 213 reads a tad overdefensive? Really very buddy-buddy in 234. I definitely do not townread CLAP. In fact the ISO mostly recharged my early gut-level suspicion.

but i did read this! it's always fun to read gossip about yourself. fyi my elements vote is semi-serious now, it's more than sheeping chara (actually i think she made the point first and technically i voted first?) anyways, i think i have a decent reason for voting elements if you want to hear it (you want to hear it don't you squidward)

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@tanner

why are you voting taylor? is it just because she's still talking setup/spare stuff, or because you have some stronger scumread? if you did i couldn't find it

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also i was thinking about spares again. i forgot why we gave up on them. i know it's unlikely that we'll spare correctly 4 times in a row, but is the 4 spare ending really that bad? say there's one scum in finale, wouldn't that be pretty good odds with strong town players? or would paranoia + no flips be too much to overcome?

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anybody who has more posts than me is, officially, scummy. not trying to call anyone out or anything, but that's right, im officially putting yall on blast, chara / prism / pooky / hectic. (actually i feel pretty mixed about this list, but rules are rules, posting more than the talking puppy is scummy and there's probably one scum in this group tbh)

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Sure, hit me.

Okay!

It started with Chara's observation in 160 that elements is talking about sparing, but isn't really looking for spares. Like, he still isn't, btw, he's just sort of moved on since everyone is over sparing. But where's the passion, does he look like he's trying to town hunt at all?

Ok that was old stuff but then there's my argument (?) With him around 196. He sort of decides that my asking about spares is scummy. Uh...? He doesn't posit why this is scummy, he just asserts that I'm "changing my tune" and after a respectable distance he parks his vote on me (and hasn't done anything with it?)

Maybe this is weak but it's only D1 and I'm fine with this read and would wagon him for it

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@tanner

why are you voting taylor? is it just because she's still talking setup/spare stuff, or because you have some stronger scumread? if you did i couldn't find it

it's because she keeps going "yes i will play once you stop talking about mechanics" but we have stopped talking about mechanics a long while ago and started talking reads while she's *still* saying how she needs mafia content to play so... what am i supposed to think exactly?

also i was thinking about spares again. i forgot why we gave up on them. i know it's unlikely that we'll spare correctly 4 times in a row, but is the 4 spare ending really that bad? say there's one scum in finale, wouldn't that be pretty good odds with strong town players? or would paranoia + no flips be too much to overcome?

ok, i'll remind you. (1) in order to win immediately, we need to correctly townread and agree on 7 players. there are 9 town players in the game. those are very bad odds. (2) we have not one, but

two

losing conditions (sparing two mafia/sparing Chara). (3) the game becomes half-flipless. that is a much harder environment to solve in, and then it becomes frustrating and demotivating. (4) if we make it to the end of day 4 and we haven't won yet (or lost), town's EV then becomes 25%. which is already bad enough, but also with the possibility of there being 2 scum in 5 players, which means one wrong vote and gg.

4 spare route is literally shooting ourselves in the foot for no reason.

puppy, can you talk a bit about your read on me? the only *concrete* thing you've said so far (unless i missed something, in which case link me) is that i sound kinda like that game we played together (151)

On phone so not gonna parse the quote just a few different things:

* Tanner you're kinda prickly you know? I noticed it in our last game when you got on me and didn't let go. (I don't mean it's a bad thing lol) but in addition to the other stuff about wanting you to be town, you have that same sticky energy by hunting down the people talking about spares (which tbh maybe you are doing too much of? It's not *that* productive)

Also I'm lately trying something where I just assume a few players are town and work on that basis. Less wifom that way, and if you get a deep townbloc going that's way more powerful than pure scumhunting. If you're not town I think you'll be unable to keep up with me

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Also I think taylor still talking spares is null, maybe she's just stubborn? There are a few players I'd like to see reads from more than setup spec (looking at you pooky ) and you're maybe tunneling on them tbh?

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@Puppy I kept missing your posting hours, and then you were gone but I did indeed read your posts and had some opinions I couldn't go anywhere with without you around.

It's me! I'm here. Ready once again to save the day and help you do, uh ...?

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Hectic - Town
Elements - Town
Chara - null
Prism - town
PookyTheMagicalBear - chara
catboi - town
Morning Tweet - town
Tayl0r Swift - eh
Lavender - who?
redtea - eh
Tanner - scum
CantLynchAPuppy - scum

Lmao

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* Tanner you're kinda prickly you know? I noticed it in our last game when you got on me and didn't let go. (I don't mean it's a bad thing lol) but in addition to the other stuff about wanting you to be town, you have that same sticky energy by hunting down the people talking about spares (which tbh maybe you are doing too much of? It's not *that* productive)

ehh, you're not wrong. is there a reason you're putting it to alignment rather than personality? (other than "assume some people town" i guess)

sorry, i guess i left out the thought that goes "you're kind of prickly and i think that matches what i saw of your town game, also im not sure if you could fake being prickly or not"

like, i think if you were scum you'd have to be more accommodating? maybe you're prickly as scum, you can point me to a scumgame of yours and convince me you're not town if you want

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Sure, hit me.

Okay!

It started with Chara's observation in 160 that elements is talking about sparing, but isn't really looking for spares. Like, he still isn't, btw, he's just sort of moved on since everyone is over sparing. But where's the passion, does he look like he's trying to town hunt at all?

Ok that was old stuff but then there's my argument (?) With him around 196. He sort of decides that my asking about spares is scummy. Uh...? He doesn't posit why this is scummy, he just asserts that I'm "changing my tune" and after a respectable distance he parks his vote on me (and hasn't done anything with it?)

Maybe this is weak but it's only D1 and I'm fine with this read and would wagon him for it

He had an issue with you agreeing that fighting today was correct but then humoring hectic about who he would spare, I believe. I don't terribly want to answer for him but if that's what he was saying I see why he said it. Definitely disengaged but I suspect he's a strange player in terms of playstyle?

no, it's a fair question because hectic was talking about sparing but hadn't suggested anyone he'd wanted to spare. it's the same idea chara used to scumread elements that i sheeped onto. (no offense but did you actually read my posts lol)

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Also I think taylor still talking spares is null, maybe she's just stubborn? There are a few players I'd like to see reads from more than setup spec (looking at you pooky ) and you're maybe tunneling on them tbh?

in case it wasnt clear, i was advocating that we fight

Okay, so who--

ok, who do you want to fight?

my lame take is that lavender is scummy for lurking. my spicy take is that puppy might be a good candidate to fight.

I believe some other people (cat) have been considering Puppy recently, so maybe your reasons are similar to theirs. but i'll ask anyway.

Are you interested in explaining more details of why you think Puppy is a good fight, or at least perhaps voting for Puppy?

Another reminder for myself to actually read thru puppys posts

you absolutely have to read through my posts, they're the most important ones! i have a 100% catch-scum find-town winrate in this game rn. (don't bother reading if you're scum though)

more seriously, do you have a case on taylor? i see your vote there but you said earlier you were undecided and i'm wondering if you've changed. also would you like to join my townbloc? offer valid through the next 2 minutes

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no, it's a fair question because hectic was talking about sparing but hadn't suggested anyone he'd wanted to spare. it's the same idea chara used to scumread elements that i sheeped onto. (no offense but did you actually read my posts lol)

I guess that's fair. I had kinda taken it more as humoring him in an even-handed way rather than asking him in an attempt to evaluate him but I guess I was wrong! Does it make elements scummy? Idk if he's trying to be cheap or just thinking on a level beyond us.

What I do know is the exchange between you two still make me laugh out loud.

lol

my style is to ask questions and try to do it in a neutral way, because i like seeing how people respond when you don't cue them exactly how you want them to respond. like, if you warn someone "im probing you" before you probe them you get a different response than if you don't. fyi. i think some people misread me when i do this

also i wanted hectic to elaborate more than he did. i still feel like he shoudl feel townier than he does, so i'm kind of null on the slot. (maybe it's just the posting gimmick? i admit the pictures do get me to at least read what he says)

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Not Chara's venge means we do need to eliminate another scum before then, though.

someone asked what my read on Hectic was the last time i checked the thread: it's a hesitant TR. but i believe i can read him better than that.

I think this was me. Or if it wasn't, it's something I'd like an answer to. Have you played a lot of games with hectic?

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Also, where's redtea? Something about questions for me?

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polka is hectic scum

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i'm seeing people starting to get suspicious of puppy and at some point i did start wondering if he's been pocketing me and if he starts looking like a plausible day one fight i will look into it.

if you want to give an opinion on my slot i'd be curious to hear it, but i'm still going to treat you as town at least until the end of d1

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lol

my style is to ask questions and try to do it in a neutral way, because i like seeing how people respond when you don't cue them exactly how you want them to respond. like, if you warn someone "im probing you" before you probe them you get a different response than if you don't. fyi. i think some people misread me when i do this

also i wanted hectic to elaborate more than he did. i still feel like he shoudl feel townier than he does, so i'm kind of null on the slot. (maybe it's just the posting gimmick? i admit the pictures do get me to at least read what he says)

I recall talking with a friend over your alignment in a game we were spectating. He was extremely confident you were town while you were basically a coinflip to me. I will accept that it is possible your style is just one that is difficult for me to read.

As for Hectic, I feel comfortable enough now to say he has said things I like, as well as some I do not like. I do not have a definite conclusion on him, but I would say my misgivings are relatively minor right now.

now i have to know more! you can't tell me that people are gossipping about me and not tell me more. what game was it? why did you not think i was town? do i have my own fanclub? im actually pretty pleased with my games on this account so far, ive made it to endgame in all of them and won all my town games. (There was one scum game but i dont really count that because i subbed into a scumteam where i was the only scum left, which makes me extra curious to get a sense of how you read me)

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have a thought about hectic rn but am going to wait until i see how he reacts to something in particular. please ignore this post, it is really just a reminder for me when i go back through my own iso later

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thanks. that's fair, i guess, but since i know im town it doesn't really do anything for me except give me an idea of how you think, which is already pretty consistent with what i thought of you anyways.

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anyways, based on what vibes / reads im hearing from people here's my take on what wagons are viable, fwiw:

* pooky
* elements
* * hectic
* taylor

catboi seems to have divided people 50-50 but with more leaning town, same with me i think? (not sure why tbh.) there hasn't been as much wagon development today as im used to with all the spare talk, so the options look a little weird. there's also probably some room to fight someone who hasn't made much of an impression (i might put lavender and prism in this category, though prism has posted enough so maybe i'm making that up? maybe redtea? idk).

also apropos of nothing i want to talk to morning tweet and chara a little more, i had some productive convos with them early on and haven't lately.

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-puppy, and this one was less cute.

Spoiler:

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not it

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the scum motivation is arguing for spares, and then when it doesn't gain traction, u can pretend u were just forgetful and of course u're for the good pro-town option. not sure whether that's what u'd do or not though. having a hard time reading ur slot this game

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i would be willing to settle on hectic but is there a reason people have stopped looking at elements? the good reasons for that wagon haven't disappeared

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And then, in this post here you talk about drawing out from people who they want to spare, but it's not like you talked about it in any meaningful way of trying to get those reads from people - you engaged in the whole buddy-buddy good times love in our hearts posting style I've already talked about, avoided trying to rustle anyone, and proposed a silly speech-giving game rather than acting in a way that would get anyone to do anything meaningfully alignment indicative.

I think it's kind of obvious why you wouldn't say you are doing 4-spare for getting associative reads to use in a fight path instead. Also this is more whimsical musing about what could have been.

ok, so was that spare talk all a gambit? what reads did you get from it?

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HURT: hectic sorry

I still want elements but I'm willing to give that slot a ment to change my mind now that there's been a sub. Hectic is my next best bet. Maybe I need to work on some wcumreads, I mostly have townreads

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But it does not go unnoticed that this post was ignored:

i would be willing to settle on hectic but is there a reason people have stopped looking at elements? the good reasons for that wagon haven't disappeared

Or this one:

And then, in this post here you talk about drawing out from people who they want to spare, but it's not like you talked about it in any meaningful way of trying to get those reads from people - you engaged in the whole buddy-buddy good times love in our hearts posting style I've already talked about, avoided trying to rustle anyone, and proposed a silly speech-giving game rather than acting in a way that would get anyone to do anything meaningfully alignment indicative.

I think it's kind of obvious why you wouldn't say you are doing 4-spare for getting associative reads to use in a fight path instead. Also this is more whimsical musing about what could have been.

ok, so was that spare talk all a gambit? what reads did you get from it?

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lots of posts i want to touch but im just not in the mood today. feeling down. maybe tomorrow.

but also i willl say is i feel bad about hectic b/c he invited me to play with him this game, so it feels bad to scumread him. he just doesn't feel like the last game i played at all

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but also i willl say is i feel bad about hectic b/c he invited me to play with him this game, so it feels bad to scumread him. he just doesn't feel like the last game i played at all

Don't feel bad about that! It's a game and I obviously don't take scumreads personally.

Regarding the "feels different to last game thing":
This is a huge problem I get and a big reason I secret alt all the time. I frequently change my playstyle between games, and differ the amount I joke/my tone/type of posts etc. Now, the issue with this is that some players notice I'm different from the previous town game they played with me in, and then put this difference down to a change in alignment, when this infact really isn't the case.

i kinda do the same thing to which is one reason i feel bad about using it as a reason :/ i dunno, i feel a little weird now that elements is gone (also there were some questions you asked him and i was waiting to see how he answered and you responded but rip). like my only scumread is gone and now i have to put in the work when im just not in the right mind

ill try to come back around tomorrow, i feel bad using ate but im not gonna be useful today

[CantHateAPuppy]

is there an unhurt tag?

[unhurt]hectic[/unhurt]

guess not

HURT: no one

im around now, skimmed the last few pages but nothing really jumps out at me.feeling a little lost now? still feel like my townreads are ok, anybody has anything they want me to say / answer i'm around now

[CantHateAPuppy]

kind of amusing that everybody else is noticing the same things i said about elements except now also scumreading me for them (?). lmao. beeboy doesn't ping me the same way but he also hasn'd said anything yet so i kinda want to talk to him. also maybe chara and catboi. and didn't redtea have something he wanted to ask me or was that oo long ago

[CantHateAPuppy]

is there an unhurt tag?

[unhurt]hectic[/unhurt]

guess not

HURT: no one

im around now, skimmed the last few pages but nothing really jumps out at me.feeling a little lost now? still feel like my townreads are ok, anybody has anything they want me to say / answer i'm around now

｢(ﾟﾍﾟ) Why the unvote?

kind of amusing that everybody else is noticing the same things i said about elements except now also scumreading me for them (?). lmao. beeboy doesn't ping me the same way but he also hasn'd said anything yet so i kinda want to talk to him. also maybe chara and catboi. and didn't redtea have something he wanted to ask me or was that oo long ago

Starting to feel in a funny way that the elements slot has been controversial enough that flipping there wouldn't be too bad regardless of the result because we could read offhow people approached it. Also beeboy's entry posts weren't great.

ur second paragraph kinda helps me answer ur first

feeling like it doesn't matter who we flip, because if we flip town we get the chara anyways. so we should flip a slot that is hard for us to resolve. feeling like that isn't hectic rn, also my reason for voting there wasn't really there, im not really sure who i scumread except for elements (was scumread? do scumread? not sure.)

any thoughts about who u'd like to see flip catboi? lavendar is an ok answer but not very revealing imo, maybe taylor? i don't know about redtea but that slot hasn't given me much to work with yet. not sure what i think about prism either, if only because prism hasn't been around at the same time as me iirc so i don't feel strongly either way

[CantHateAPuppy]

guess i can get behind this

HURT: beeboy

@chara: point taken! but im not gonna sit here agonizing about it, gonna get some nice flips no matter what do so im gonna be positive about it

[CantHateAPuppy]

why prism?

[CantHateAPuppy]

Hey guys. Sorry haven't been on much, a little busy last few days. Not sure why there's discontent with the elements/beeboy wagon? Will check in later as deadline approaches

[CantHateAPuppy]

Damn. Still can't believe my one and only scumread actually flipped scum.

[CantHateAPuppy]

I kind of want to talk about sparing today

Since we got scum yesterday there are some pretty obvtown candidates for sparing and I think the 1-3 spare route is only slightly worse than genocide

Full genocide we get 2 public cop checks, 1-3 spares we get 1 cop check but we'd also get two spares in exchange. I think with the way the day played out yesterday it could be worth it

I say 2 spares because we'd obviously have to commit one commit two to still get the chara killed (yes? Chara doesn't get to live forever now right?)

[CantHateAPuppy]

If a townie is fought and there

are no spared players

, Chara will eat buttercups and die.

Chara also does once two players are spared

[CantHateAPuppy]

I want to see who pushed elements yesterday, I know me and chara, but I was a little afk at EOD and I want to see who really "decided" it would be elements. That's gotta be town too

[CantHateAPuppy]

also i had a thought that elements was bussed and that scum was gonna try to get themselves spared off of towncred, and for puppy to enter the game going for spares... yay paranoia.

i'm pretty sure 4 fights are optimal in every single scenario now. day 2 is definitely a fight day to either win or get Not Chara flipped. since the "if mafia is spared, they win if both of them survive Day 5" clause in 1-3 is now pointless, sparing on day 3/4 is just setting off those executes for later... while losing 2 public cops. i can crunch the numbers later if anyone is that interested in it, but i'm pretty sure fighting is the way.

This wouldn't really make sense though, your argument would be that 4 fights is obviously objectively correct, also scum bussed for credit so they could play better in an inferior position. Why would scum bus at all?

I think it's more realistic that scum didn't bus, or at least didn't push the wagon until it was too late. In that case, sparing is a decent move because we'd save two townreads and still get a copcheck for it. 2 + 1 > > 2

[CantHateAPuppy]

I think sparing is slightly better here. If your argument is "scum bussed someone who wasn't chara for slightly better odds to push sparing later". That's just silly.

[CantHateAPuppy]

I want to see who pushed elements yesterday, I know me and chara, but I was a little afk at EOD and I want to see who really "decided" it would be elements. That's gotta be town too

so you'd spare me, and who else?

Besides you not sure, I'd need to look at the wagon again and see who stands out as really pushing it. I don't think scum bussed here. It just wouldn't make sense. When I see who did that and was also in my townreads pile, I'll make a case.

[CantHateAPuppy]

Mostly just a prod dodge cause I'm going to be busy all day

Still think we should spare. I think the math is actually slightly better because we can save two town and get a cop check, instead of only 2 cop checks at the end. Can write up a case on this later if anyone wants or not if everyone's sick of it

No strong opinions on the other issues. Redtea / suji is a hard lurker slot that has given me 0 to work with, tanner I still have as lean town from yesterday, his prickly paranoid conspiracy today fits what I'd expect from him although I really don't know much else about him

[CantHateAPuppy]

I'm around today give me like 2 hours and I'll post a bunch

[CantHateAPuppy]

the doc is in

[CantHateAPuppy]

Mostly just a prod dodge cause I'm going to be busy all day

Still think we should spare. I think the math is actually slightly better because we can save two town and get a cop check, instead of only 2 cop checks at the end. Can write up a case on this later if anyone wants or not if everyone's sick of it

No strong opinions on the other issues. Redtea / suji is a hard lurker slot that has given me 0 to work with, tanner I still have as lean town from yesterday, his prickly paranoid conspiracy today fits what I'd expect from him although I really don't know much else about him

Shouldn't we just start sparing after Chara is dead if that is the case? Is there any reason to do it now rather than later?

the more we fight the more obvtown slots get killed the less viable spare becomes at all

someone was running numbers on the spares (i forget who/where) but i think that's missing the point. because we got scum yesterday, we have a unique chance to spare the players who pushed the elements wagon, which i think ends up with better outcomes than if we just genocide and trust the public cop checks to clear out the rest

[CantHateAPuppy]

Still think we should spare. I think the math is actually slightly better because we can save two town and get a cop check, instead of only 2 cop checks at the end. Can write up a case on this later if anyone wants or not if everyone's sick of it

I don't see why it makes sense to spare - if anything losing to the chara is even more likely with the smaller player list on an absolute probability basis whereas even if we miss on hurt we will see Chara flip.

im assuming better than average odds since the chara isn't going to be on the list of players who wagoned elements. (though if anyone wants to make that case, uh, that'd be interesting and worth hearing)

[CantHateAPuppy]

HEAL: chara

this is the first obvious spare, chara pushed elements when there was no need to, didn't really back off that case when there was a chance, and it's for that reason we got scum instead of literally anything else

[CantHateAPuppy]

MT is using a lot less emojis then what I am comfortable with....
Hectic is doing his scum tell of not posting Miso pics....


This game might not be as easy as what I think it is >:(

HEAL: Morning Tweet
HURT: Tayl0r Swift

I am fine doing either of these really?
Top to buy more time, bottom because I very much am happy with that read

if i take the "emoji" tell as a light scumtell, then the heal, it looks like beeboy was hedging around MT a little. but im not sure it amounts to very much tbh, there's not much from this slot

the only other point of interest is that beeboy thought he could push hectic as an alternative to himself...

[CantHateAPuppy]

one of them should be pooky
one of them should be me
one of them should be hectic

hm

[CantHateAPuppy]

Hectic - Town
Elements - Town
Chara - null
Prism - town
PookyTheMagicalBear - chara
catboi - town
Morning Tweet - town
Tayl0r Swift - eh
Lavender - who?
redtea - eh
Tanner - scum
CantLynchAPuppy - scum

not really worth much. pooky as chara is kindr of interesting, kind of distanced from a few slots, redtea/taylor/lavendar maybe most notable

[CantHateAPuppy]

I'll be honest. I am completely miserable playing, not because of anyone else but just out of existential malaise. I came really close to just siteflaking and calling it a day. I don't really believe in half of the shit I type. The game language is there but the convictions aren't. I don't want to don the Replica mask that others seem to want or expect of me. I don't feel like I even know how to play the game anymore, and my brain just feels coated in a thick sludge that doesn't wash off in the shower. Keeping interest feels impossible.

But abandoning ship would be the wrong move. I will finish this game if it kills me. I will go for a run, I will get food, I will come back, and we can all work on this together.

Same tbh

[CantHateAPuppy]

imagine not being tempted to the cute animal alliance

(... what do u mean, i just ctrl-f'd my own name and ignored everything else? )

[CantHateAPuppy]

"scum wouldn't buss day one, it's silly."

scum *wouldn't* bus day 1, it's stilly. the odds of a scum win after bussing day 1 are super low because the chara is basically still self-cleaning.

w/e, nobody wants to go for spare and im not going to break out the math that i think proves it's better in this one specific case, but im still going to use day 1's vote to start clearing slots. that's definitely chara and one of pooky/mt/prism (maybe mt?). also i had hectic as scum-lean before and even today i think but maybe i need to re-eval because he was on elements all day too

[CantHateAPuppy]

I feel like I'missing something, the discussion on the last few pages seems to assume that suji has to be scum

Is there anything to this or is this just wishful thinking? Lurker fatigue? I don't see a lot from that slot so I don't get why it's the center of discussion. Does everyone just townreads everyone else more?

[CantHateAPuppy]

Kinda admit I've been lurking / coasting myself, so apologies for this next part (esp after I was just pushing spares)

But I don't think the town is full of so many obvtown slots that were out of options? There are a few obvtown slots on the ele wagon and then the rest not

[CantHateAPuppy]

puppy's interactions with ele *are* decent from what i remember. i'd have to give them a reread and/or chat with puppy a bit more today.

What do you want to talk about

Ele had a weird push on me that felt forced, chara made a good point about him, I pushed and then he subbed out. I actually feel lucky more than anything, but there's still no way his partners wanted that bus to go through

[CantHateAPuppy]

The candidates there imo are 1. Lavender 2. Pooky 3. Tanner 4. Taylor and I guess Puppy?

If it's Lavender, god help us all. Pooky is probably next around for me to cycle through but I find it pretty unlikely he's scum. The only reason he's here period is that he's not voting the slot. Everything past the catboi spat is totally fine. Why is he not being more assertive here? Letting me ruin the game is a viable strategy but he's really taking a backseat and letting autowin happen instead of like, picking a fight with me or pushing someone else. Tanner I just reviewed and is hypothetically possible but unlikely. If it's Taylor they've just given up and want the game to end. Puppy should also be pushing a different vote here instead of pushing the spare stuff.

Lavender, and to a lesser extent Taylor, are plausible to me but I really don't feel great about this anymore. Taylor is a better vote imo, but the problem with that is a Taylor townfight into a Suji Chara flip means I 100% need to be fought Day 3/4. I would rather burn one mislynch on Suji, watching Tayl0r flip Chara overnight, than watch myself singlehandedly torpedo this game into a loss.

Ok, again, gee, sorry, I'm not very active this game... But this post makes 0 sense to me, like I just don't get any of it

Why is a lavender scum slot "God help us all"? Is lavender some sort of deepwolf? Huh?

How are you ruining the game?

Why does a mis-fight today mean we have to get rid of you tomorrow?

[CantHateAPuppy]

It really sucks that my schedule lines up so I'm around when no one else is. Can I get a shout-out from the lurkers working from home? Sound off in the chat. Every post made in the next 2 hours enters you
one ticket into the Puppy-Duppy Lottery system. Winner gets a prize picture of a cute puppy

[CantHateAPuppy]

thanks prism! u win. don't share with anyone:

Spoiler:

i thought the fact that no one was pushing anyone but suji was a sign of late game apathy. is it not?

[CantHateAPuppy]

Re: potentially ruining the game, in the hypothetical world where I successfully argue to flip the fight from Sujimichi to someone else, say Tayl0r, and Suji flips Chara....This would be me arguing us out of mechanical autowin, and if I get misfought for it, would have cost us two misfights.

i still don't get it. not lynching scum is arguing out of mechanical autowin? yeah, if you argue us out of a scum flip, that's not optimal, but that's sort of skipping over the step where we figure out who scum is first yeah?

[CantHateAPuppy]

puppy is coasting and not engaged. whens the last time you saw a post from puppy that wasnt fluff?

who are you

[CantHateAPuppy]

puppy's interactions with ele *are* decent from what i remember. i'd have to give them a reread and/or chat with puppy a bit more today.

What do you want to talk about

Ele had a weird push on me that felt forced, chara made a good point about him, I pushed and then he subbed out. I actually feel lucky more than anything, but there's still no way his partners wanted that bus to go through

i don't know what i want to talk about. something that makes me think you're not trying to murder us all, because at this point i'm sounding insane to myself. i guess a good start would be who you're willing to fight today and what is actually your read on me?

Scum cannot afford to be fougt again, so the fact that no one else is a really pushing to look elsewhere says to me that Sujimichi is probably town. (Otherwise, their partner is making absolutely zero attempt to dodge autoloss)

i thought the fact that no one was pushing anyone but suji was a sign of late game apathy. is it not?

why do i feel like something is so very wrong with this (puppy) post... what was your thought process writing this post? especially paired with 1420?

like i get the feel 1420 is the "this is the post i'm going to point at post-townflip to show i wasn't on board with it for townpoints", while 1426 feels like shutting down valid reasons by which prism is correctly getting to town!suji... but does that make sense? who is his partner?? am i cherry-picking the most minuscule bullshit??? stay tuned

i don't know what you want from me, do you want a self-towncase? i think the fact that i sat on elements when i could have flipped off makes me ptown, though i get it because im kind of coasting and lost interest, this has happened to me basically every game except the one you played with me before. the game is always fun on day 1 but then when things drag out and people sub out it loses cohesion and by like day 53 or w/e it's less interesting.

usually wen that happens i have to invent some sort of minigame to keep myself interested. like our last game i tried to see if i could make persi look suspicious, since he was practically mechanically cleared. but when im town i have to push a case and that seems kind of boring rn tbh

and you're probably town? i don't think scum goes after me like you did today, you have the right level of town paranoia combined with that prickly side i felt yesterday. i dunno, convince me youre acting in bad faith and i could scumread you i guess.

[CantHateAPuppy]

chara, you're obviously town, i should be talking to you more. who do you think on the elements wagon is obvtown? this is basically my main lead right now, the last few pages dont do anything for me

[CantHateAPuppy]

like i get the feel 1420 is the "this is the post i'm going to point at post-townflip to show i wasn't on board with it for townpoints", while 1426 feels like shutting down valid reasons by which prism is correctly getting to town!suji... but does that make sense? who is his partner?? am i cherry-picking the most minuscule bullshit??? stay tuned

sealized i didnt address this. 1420 and 1426 are the same point. there doesnt seem like anything going for the suji case except apathy, so im not sure why prism is assuming it has to be suji but suji is also prob scum. (?) not sure what else kind of weird reaction im supposed to have to that weird sequence

[CantHateAPuppy]

??? Puppy I really think you need to revisit the last few pages from scratch. I'm not assuming it has to be Suji at all, I'm arguing the opposite and the last few pages of mine are all dedicated to speculating that it might be Tayl0r/Chara.

I reread and decided I didn't feel very strongly about it anymore. I was just reacting to what was at the top of the thread. Sorry w/e

Is there a case for lynching anyone or are we going on activity levels and the like? It seems to me like a suji slot lynch is as good as any other, I was just looking for some case to grab me. We nab scum today either way so the votes are just for bragging rights

[CantHateAPuppy]

so I'll HURT: tanner and ask if anyone has a good reason to townread either swift or tanner?

i townread tanner because he is pushing stubbornly up in situations that would be easier for town to shirk back from. he's still trying to push a case on me (?) when i'm obvtown (iso my votes on the elements scum wagon from yesterday). is that a "good reason" for you?

[CantHateAPuppy]

please prove that Isis isn't scum by posting the full scumlist. TIA

[CantHateAPuppy]

i literally said what i want from you
i want your scumreads
i want to know who would you like to murder and why you would like to murder them
i need to read ele+puppy iso to make a decision whether that's plausible s/s but i don't want you to case that
who would you like to f i g h t ?
also i'm not trying to make you scumread me, i'm triyng to sort you by seeing what your read on me is or something like that

i dont really have any, i have townreads and then there's a mess of people i'd be ok with gettting rid of. probably suji / lavendar / taylor is a good pool for the day. maybe hectic? maybe someone else? i dont feel that strong about it. this is just my style in general and i think this game especially thisis the right tact to takehere

[CantHateAPuppy]

prism, i think i understand your fixation on chara now because my fucking god i cannot

like this rings so fake because there is so much more to the case on suji other than "lol lurker" and this seems like this is the type of post that's meant to be "defending" a misflip before it happens while not actually trying to persuade anyone from not voting

like it almost feels like purposefully playing dumb?? i dunno???

i am actually wondering if i should stop talking with you b/c your paranoia is clearly just self-destructive and bad for us here. i dont even know what to do with this. is there some great suji case i should be made aware of? please share it so i can vote there and think about other hings

[CantHateAPuppy]

my interactions on a scum wagon i helped lead, pushed, then doubled down on are not great because i lurked at end of day? i dont really like getting assertive / mean but... tanner, what on earth are you talking about. go sit in the corner until you come up with a better theory

[CantHateAPuppy]

Sorry

[CantHateAPuppy]

I feel sufficiently embarrassed that I'll sheep this for now

HURT: Krazy

[CantHateAPuppy]

no :[

[CantHateAPuppy]

Morning, help, they're forcing me to do stuff when the game will probably be over in a couple of days anyway.

My paranoia read is still Launchy. I feel like he fits the Chara mould of distancing from scum partner (aka Ele) and then not pushing scum partner while voting his counterwagon instead (aka me). The reasoning he used for not pushing Ele at times was also pretty weak (no one else really wants it or I'll give the replacement a chance). Also, there was that interaction between the two of them that looked kinda fake. I'll reread him later tonight.

Still, I very much doubt it changes my mind of wanting that over the slot that soft defended Ele, flaked after Ele was looking like the FIGHT, and had a replacement that read all of day 1, had no opinions on it whatsoever, and then also replaced out. Sorry, Krazy :3

Launchy, you never answered me; why did you scumlean my actions from today?

missed this earlier

didn't we talk about that stuff yesterday? the best i remember now is you just felt different, and it didn't feel like a town different. today it doesnt really matter to me, we get chara either way so we'll get anyone and it wont make a difference

[CantHateAPuppy]

oh oh oh if i post now do i get to talk to prism live? please plase please

i really like 1571 and 1574 on this page, which p-accurately get my thought process this game so far. prism if you want to pocket me just ask, ill townread anyone whose nice to me

(although you werent on the beeboy wagon? gonna have to look into that)

[CantHateAPuppy]

prism, do you have a taylor case? for some reason i remember feeling something there yesterday but i dont remember rn, don't feel like reading through my iso to check my notes

pooky, i see you're on and you have a taylor scumcase too? is there a secret scumcase no one wanted to tell the puppy?

[CantHateAPuppy]

ill take a look at it. is there a reason youre not voting there / voting at all?

i dunno, i just looked at the last votecount and there's actually not many people voting at all. (?) not sure why. does it make me a huge hypocrite if i say that i dont care too much who gets voted but i also dont think its good if we dont have some more discussion about it? call it my programming kicking in

[CantHateAPuppy]

ill take a look at it. is there a reason youre not voting there / voting at all?

i dunno, i just looked at the last votecount and there's actually not many people voting at all. (?) not sure why. does it make me a huge hypocrite if i say that i dont care too much who gets voted but i also dont think its good if we dont have some more discussion about it? call it my programming kicking in

I prefer to use more discussion time on today and I haven't voted because I don't think it's relevant when the more important part is reaching consensus.

nah consensus is overrated... i want people screaming, yelling, people standing on tables kicking down chandeliers screaming "how dare you???".

(i mean ur right but I also think it's good to get people on the record now, am I right if I say that it looks like everyone is just coasting on the assumption that we catch scum today? what are even the odds of that? that's pretty lazy IMO)

prism, do you have a taylor case? for some reason i remember feeling something there yesterday but i dont remember rn, don't feel like reading through my iso to check my notes

pooky, i see you're on and you have a taylor scumcase too? is there a secret scumcase no one wanted to tell the puppy?

I don't really have a case, and the amount of content they've given makes it really hard to scumread them except for lack of it. Their progression on catboi was questionable-gut scum to gut town to I dunno, with no clear reason why for each swap, but that's really about it.

This vote would be more PoE to me. Sujimichi's probable scum partner would be...Lavender or myself. Maybe Pooky? I townread/lean basically everyone other than Tayl0r/Lavender...and now Chara. Tayl0r also straight up makes sense with virtually anyone, and their unwillingness to really hunt at any point in the game is very Chara.

there goes my last chance to have someone do my work for me, i guess i'll look at taylor later today.

btw, why do you not have chara as obvtown? i saw you said something in the last page about chara not really pushing elements that hard, but it just doesnt seem that way to me. i dont think i woud have pushed that slot to begin with without chara making a good point about how elements was phoning it in (i think that was it?Y)

[CantHateAPuppy]

so I'll HURT: tanner and ask if anyone has a good reason to townread either swift or tanner?

i townread tanner because he is pushing stubbornly up in situations that would be easier for town to shirk back from. he's still trying to push a case on me (?) when i'm obvtown (iso my votes on the elements scum wagon from yesterday). is that a "good reason" for you?

ok pooky, if krazy gives me a good answer to this question i might unvote him. (or not)

[CantHateAPuppy]

damn nobody posted any intro questions this game huh. we really just jumped straight into mech talk about sparing (lame) and fighting (super awesome mega cool its just like mafia) huh.

krazy, it's time to GTKAS:

1) are u town or scum
2) do u prefer to play town or scum
3) what was your best game
4) coffee or tea?

[CantHateAPuppy]

crackpot theory. scum bussed hard knowing the chara would flip anyways so it would just look extra town.

i know that theory would invalidate half my townreads. but. since we're talking about it anyways

[CantHateAPuppy]

Ftr though, there's been enough talk of alternative options from you, Tanner, Pooky, and Launchy that I could see scum being in any of those, and scum can't exactly come out hard pushing town and hard defending Suji, because they just lose the next day upon their/Suji's Chara flip, so what's happening now is what's needed for them to have a chance.

huh? my vote is on suji's slot righ now and you're one of the players talking about alternatives too. what are you talking about?

[CantHateAPuppy]

Oh oh I bet nobody can guess what animal I'm thinking of

[CantHateAPuppy]

no offense to anyone but spec on who chara is is kinda pointless. we'll find out after today right? interactions will probably get a lot simpler after that

tbh i didnt even remember chara scumreading those posts. i was having a bad day tbh. honestily i think im kind of obvtown, so ive been ignoring most of the scumreads on me (except you tanner ) but i always think im obvtown so if im wrong and someone wants me to jump in here lemme know

[CantHateAPuppy]

has anyone done my taylor homework yet? I started it but then my dog came up and ate it.

[CantHateAPuppy]

no offense to anyone but spec on who chara is is kinda pointless. we'll find out after today right? interactions will probably get a lot simpler after that

tbh i didnt even remember chara scumreading those posts. i was having a bad day tbh. honestily i think im kind of obvtown, so ive been ignoring most of the scumreads on me (except you tanner ) but i always think im obvtown so if im wrong and someone wants me to jump in here lemme know

there is a point to chara spec - we can figure out who is unlikely to be the chara's partner after the flip if we were to miss based on the spec

every game of mafia ive ever played tells me there's a 50-50 chance that after scum flips everyone will have different opinions from the ones they said they'd actually have

i dunno, either chara is someone who won't change my reads, or im wildly wrong about some of my reads and then ill have to rethink things. like, if chara ends up being, uh, chara, or pooky, then maybe id have to sit and think hard about it, but im just chasing the car in front of me rn

[CantHateAPuppy]

chara v prism reads like town v town. townbloc?

[CantHateAPuppy]

chara v prism reads like town v town. townbloc?

can you really call it a versus when Prism was so polite about it and i'm so happy to be here?

chara & prism versus the world

[CantHateAPuppy]

tfw krazy complaining about being ignored while he ignores my questions to him

[CantHateAPuppy]

who is datisi

[CantHateAPuppy]

damn nobody posted any intro questions this game huh. we really just jumped straight into mech talk about sparing (lame) and fighting (super awesome mega cool its just like mafia) huh.

krazy, it's time to GTKAS:

1) are u town or scum
2) do u prefer to play town or scum
3) what was your best game
4) coffee or tea?

I already answered 1 but still town

I generally prefer playing town

Probably still ircher's large normal

I gave up caffeine

Does rqs help you scumhunt? I don't want to contribute to the noise level of the thread and it's nice to talk to you but are there more interesting questions you have for me?

Like what are you looking for here?

i like getting a sense of a person's personality which is easier when you just ask open questions and see how they respond

i could break out the sociological theory but right now i am a puppy. it would sound very silly

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puppy seemed scum for it because i feel like puppies should be energetic and overeager. theres not a whole lot to it. ive moved past that read mostly and im kinda leaning towards tanner!scum Chara!chara

which of these would you rather vote? is there a reason you aren't voting right now?

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@prism looking at the votecounts i just realized you're not voting. is there a reason why, or are you still deciding, or are you trying to avoid a chara hammer?

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@prism looking at the votecounts i just realized you're not voting. is there a reason why, or are you still deciding, or are you trying to avoid a chara hammer?

Also, I've been very intentional about not voting. I went into the day still thinking Hectic/Ele might have been SvS, and figuring that out was kind of step 1. After that I started to waffle on my redtea townread, thinking it might just be Suji/Tayl0r. I came close to just voting them and hoping someone would hammer it so we could get the flip and call it a day. Thinking about Tayl0r voting Suji made me doubt that team, and from there I've been tinfoiling Tayl0r/Chara while wondering whether I should just hammer Suji regardless.

I don't really want to vote Tayl0r until I'm sure, whether that comes from a PoE or a scumread.

As a bonus, this features me thinking it was both L-2 and L-1 simultaneously

this tells me that you were intentional about not voting but not what your intention is

[CantHateAPuppy]

There does seem to be some push on me, some of which is clearly coming from town, but of the slots pushing my lynch right now yours looks a bit scummier than Hectic's. I'll think on it more on the morrow

so uhh what was the deal with 1494?

response to prism's 1571:
~ i'm not arguing puppy's 100% scum. i would be pushing him with much more power if i thought so.
~ i want to argue "considering the way day one went, what the hell *was* scum doing?" is why i'm paranoid and kinda annoyed, but i guess the question here is "is it plausible for town to assume no bussing", which. i dunno. i guess.
~ 1225 made me uneasy because it seemed like a weaker townlean than the day earlier, and that last part made me think he was going to ~stop~ townleaning me in the future? that's what i meant by aligning, or like preparing himself to be able to walk back in the future, because scum still needs misfights and i'm assuming they're planning for me to be one of them.

having typed this out, i feel guilty of "ascribing scum motivations to posts rather than looking for it", so yeah. i dunno what to tell you. if puppy's not scum, then from my pov it's either some combination of lavender/krazy/taylor or something's very wrong. i don't know if there's a combination of those that outirght works. and that worries me.

i still got like 2 pages to read, but in the meantime
@hectic, how sure are you of morning-tweet!town today? and could you give me a shotgun readslist?

This is scummy

let's say we lynch you anyways and you flip town

who else wyould you fight besides tanner? who would you spare / who's your top townread?

[CantHateAPuppy]

let's say we lynch you anyways and you flip town

who else wyould you fight besides tanner? who would you spare / who's your top townread?

these questions double for taylor

[CantHateAPuppy]

its not over if you lunch me, but youre in a good enough spot that youll be fine. good luck!

tanner and chara.

this is a little defeatist when there's like 1 vote one u

[CantHateAPuppy]

On the other hand, Krazy makes sense as scum with anyone who's been discussing alternative options for a launch today, or even apathetic scum who's accepted defeat.

just out of curiosity who is this (if not everyone)

[CantHateAPuppy]

The number of mod votes in this game is crazy for what is an open setup tbh

[CantHateAPuppy]

I had a dream about this game last night

I dreamt that someone (not anyone actually in this game, someone from a different site) asked me what I thought of a really implausible scumteam

I don't even remember the exact team, it had yellow avatars? Like prism/taylor/pooky or something really imausible. I use grayscale on my phone (dogs are color blind) so I don't remember exactly

Anyways I said "that's the most implausible scumteam I've ever heard. Why do you mention it"

"Well, I put a curse on those players so they would associate differently in case they were scum. But I screwed up, it was a love curse, I think I made it so those players would fall in love"

Then at that point I started dreaming about being a professional chef running a restaurant out of my dining room serving roast duck with an appetizer of soup rice

[CantHateAPuppy]

This game is weird because there's no wagon development. Like we sat on one fight yesterday and are sitting on one fight today

Not sure what that implies but I'm going to think about it

[CantHateAPuppy]

Feel like I haven't talked with morning tweet enough

Was rereading early game and realized we'd played a game together before though tbh off hand I don't remember which one (:shame:)

[CantHateAPuppy]

confess i could also see MT as chara if i squint a little

[CantHateAPuppy]

MT as the deepwolf we've been looking for all along? :-[

MT u'd tell me if u were murderous right? u don't eat buttercups, right?

[CantHateAPuppy]

ok. i'll eat anything. i like bones and steaks. also cheese and used tissues

[CantHateAPuppy]

but are u ??????????

???

[CantHateAPuppy]

if I'm Chara, what was the point of bussing Elements? Shouldn't elements bus me?

not directed at u but just thinking out loud here

scum got fought D1 which is a game-losing move, which means scum wasn't all there or something went wrong. so there's something off about scum this game i guess, not sure what that means. not sure it matters a whole lot for this fight but i wouldn't be willing to rule out scum making a serious mistake here, because that's how scum got taken out in the first place

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Wait aren't I scum with tayl0r? So I voted for both my partners as my main votes? I'm trolling if I'm Chara rn LOL

tbh if u're not trolling me rn what are u even doing w/ ur life

[CantHateAPuppy]

There, if I'm Not Chara and i wasn't throwing before, I definitely am now lol

hm. is MT the kind of player who would just announce her whole scum plan and expect to get away with it via wifom?

if calling me locktown is a way to pocket me out of this suspicion it might work

[CantHateAPuppy]

There, if I'm Not Chara and i wasn't throwing before, I definitely am now lol

hm. is MT the kind of player who would just announce her whole scum plan and expect to get away with it via wifom?

if calling me locktown is a way to pocket me out of this suspicion it might work

As much as I would love to say yes, no I am not. Scum makes me insanely stressed out -- it grinds my posting rate down to a halt and I carefully read everything I post and think heavily about how it is interpreted

i wrote that speculation post in a few minutes and I didn't even reread it

However you could make the argument that I stopped caring because I know I'm about to suicide. However HOWEVER, I would feel really bad if my scumpartner gets screwed by that speculation post (even if it's by accident). I really wouldn't want to hurt their chances (again even if its by accident)

But i don't have a partner so I can't do that (>ω<)

hm. guess i could believe this self-meta for now. BUT im keeping an EyE on U

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Puppy, it seems like you've wanted me to put together a Taylor case for awhile. To be blunt, I don't have much of a case. I strongly feel that redtea was town based off of meta. Taylor is left mostly by PoE, and their struggle to justify any of their reads or more seriously engage with us while shifting the blame for that around, and playing the "lol fight me but it's your fault, I'm just apathetic town!" theater card imo. Pooky also made a great point that beeboy likely gave up on their slot for IRL reasons right before the Taylor push.

It seems like you're voting Krazy just because it's "as good as any other". Who do you actually think is the best vote here?

P-Edit: Maybe Tanner, okay.

im kind of being a little lazy here, by day 2 im a little tired of playing the same game (this happens in all of my games, 3 weeks is a long time for patience at this point) and i kinda feel like since we get scum either way today it doesn't matter too much?

plus my townreads at this point look like chara + ... probably u + pooky with some tanner. nobody is really threatening my TRs so why not just flip slots that need resolving? we get scum anyways

so i should probably do the taylor ISO ive been promising but at the same time it doesn't actually matter to me much rn. my fight pool looks something like tis:

krazy / lavendar / taylor / maybe hectic

MT i could go either way on, that slot probably wants resolving but i also like her, can push that off to another day, if she is chara that'd be mega lol and ideal tbh

[CantHateAPuppy]

thinking about who i want most...

lavendar? only because i lost a town game not long ago where scum was in a lurkish slot that nobody flipped for the longest time because someone game a meta townread on day 1 and then that player got killed. maybe that describes krazy more tbh, but since he's a sub-in and lavendar's been lurking here all along i just feel like that. im really trying to work on townreads more anyways, and on the offchance that there is a deepwolf or someone bussed hard on beeboy, there's a 50-50 we get that person today anyways.

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Thanks Puppy, I appreciate it. I think your pool is pretty solid. Hectic is probably my individual scumread, but I don't think he's Chara and so I'm not really going after him today.

I think getting it right is more important than you're making it out to be because even though we get information in the form of seeing Chara, now is probably our best chance to win the game until the 1v1 at the end. Deepwolf or no, today is our only chance to have a wrong townread and still win.

actually it bothers me that my pool is a little too "conventional", im wondering if i have any hot takes. MT as null maybe is my spiciest take? if there were more suspicion there maybe id push that, but my townreads (i mean u and chara here) are good with MT so im not going to worry about that. maybe later

let me think a bit more if i have a real strong scumread besides what ive already elaborated on

[CantHateAPuppy]

I say that not to cajole you, but in the hopes that you'll look at the slots you listed more carefully. If one is Chara, our only chance to vote them is today-and depending on the regular mafia, our life will get significantly harder.

I strongly prefer Taylor to Lavender but I would probably go Lavender over Krazy.

i guess the only other thing i'll say is that chara had to have expected to die day 1, right? so any hypothetical chara would probably have reads on day 1 that would be to set up the expected flip. ive actually been wondering about what kind of strategy a chara would use, would they distance from their buddies? bus hard? townread hard? ignore hard? it's a weird situation because being forced to die basically generates all these associates without chara having any control over them. but this game also is a little weird to hunt for them because (someone said this earlier) it just feels like a strong town.

so i end up thinking that chara probably is in the lurker / disengaged slots. that would make the most sense tbh

[CantHateAPuppy]

MT as the deepwolf we've been looking for all along? :-[

MT u'd tell me if u were murderous right? u don't eat buttercups, right?

Line. Ignore the quote, mobile misclicking is magical and mysterious!

mod-endorsed paranoia wifom, LFG! anyone not tinfoiling with me over this is, officially, a SQUARE

[CantHateAPuppy]

Puppy you should townread me

y

[CantHateAPuppy]

also like, hectic was saying he might reevaluate based on prism's meta but then he... didn't

point me to this? this would be a decent point

[CantHateAPuppy]

@hectic what do you think about the catboi NK not really making sense if redtea is scum? Catboi was one of the few people who was town-slotting red-tea hard - I don't see why the NK falls here when there are so many better townread players here..

Oh, really? I'd completely overlooked that.

Guess I need to do more research tomorrow.

actually it was the NKA not the meta but this is the post I was thinking about -- it feels like Hectic was like, yeah need to look into that, and then the next day forgot he made this post and returned to TunnelVision[TM]

hm.

@hectic

?

[CantHateAPuppy]

catboi may also have been killed for other reasons, Prism has massive equity wit

yeah, thinking about it, NKA doesn't do it for me because if redtea were scum, it'd be the partner who made the kill. so never mind

[CantHateAPuppy]

lavendar is like this in every game ive ever played with her. if you want her opinion on something just ask.

@lavendar: question time!

1st obvious question is top scumread / who would u vote right now / is there a reason u aren't voting rn?

2nd, do u have an opinion on the common observation that this game seems like a strong town? if u are town then u kind of have a lot of competition to be townread against, so an impassioned "omg i am so town town town" rant could do u some good here?

3rd, who have u faced here before who u think u might have some special insight on?

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prism on that 5-6 hour sleep schedule, that's a towntell

[CantHateAPuppy]

i could commit to a prism sheep, as long as she votes for whoever i want first

[CantHateAPuppy]

ok, ok, i know i got flamed for this last time, but if we have so many strong townreads and trouble with the fight, there is another game mechanic that lets us vote for strong townreads instead that mathematically would be pretty good in this situation and

hang on, my point is being intercepted by someone throwing rotten tomatoes. a big hooked can is coming from stage left. why is it grabbing me by the waist?

[CantHateAPuppy]

VOTE: isis

everyone else is doing it and i want to get in on this hot new wagon

anyways this is just to show that im not committed to krazy, im willing to consider other options if that's what other players want

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but just picturing them flipping town-and we learn basically nothing from it, only from the Chara flip- is soulsucking

honestly this just sounds really unhealthy. we get a scum flip today no matter what and you're already looking foward to complaining about how it could have been more optimal.

reminder if you just flip ur perspective rn this could be us:

Spoiler:

[CantHateAPuppy]

puppy/prism/chara townbloc

day 1 scum flip

we have a super town town and a few decent lynches, plus an automatic scum flip no matter what

we have enough strong town players for sparing to be viable and we aren't even doing that because we honestly feel better about the genocide route. that's great

i genuinely do not see the need for all the confusion and debate and anxiety. we're in a great position right now

[CantHateAPuppy]

yeah where is pooky? i keep seeing him pop his head in but id love to hear more from him

[CantHateAPuppy]

just checking in. i see big black-and-white picture i talk to big black-and-white picture

i would not be in favor of a tanner fight. is this a slot that needs resolving? i still think the reasons i have for putting him as town are decent and if he were scum he could have spent a lot more time picking fights with obvtown slots b/c that would only boomerang back on him on future days

thought id have more to say on more topics but as i write this i think everything ive said until now basically stands. maybe it is time to just end the day?

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There does seem to be some push on me, some of which is clearly coming from town, but of the slots pushing my lynch right now yours looks a bit scummier than Hectic's. I'll think on it more on the morrow

so uhh what was the deal with 1494?

response to prism's 1571:
~ i'm not arguing puppy's 100% scum. i would be pushing him with much more power if i thought so.
~ i want to argue "considering the way day one went, what the hell *was* scum doing?" is why i'm paranoid and kinda annoyed, but i guess the question here is "is it plausible for town to assume no bussing", which. i dunno. i guess.
~ 1225 made me uneasy because it seemed like a weaker townlean than the day earlier, and that last part made me think he was going to ~stop~ townleaning me in the future? that's what i meant by aligning, or like preparing himself to be able to walk back in the future, because scum still needs misfights and i'm assuming they're planning for me to be one of them.

having typed this out, i feel guilty of "ascribing scum motivations to posts rather than looking for it", so yeah. i dunno what to tell you. if puppy's not scum, then from my pov it's either some combination of lavender/krazy/taylor or something's very wrong. i don't know if there's a combination of those that outirght works. and that worries me.

i still got like 2 pages to read, but in the meantime
@hectic, how sure are you of morning-tweet!town today? and could you give me a shotgun readslist?

This is scummy

let's say we lynch you anyways and you flip town

who else wyould you fight besides tanner? who would you spare / who's your top townread?

found this while searching my iso

[CantHateAPuppy]

so I'll HURT: tanner and ask if anyone has a good reason to townread either swift or tanner?

i townread tanner because he is pushing stubbornly up in situations that would be easier for town to shirk back from. he's still trying to push a case on me (?) when i'm obvtown (iso my votes on the elements scum wagon from yesterday). is that a "good reason" for you?

[CantHateAPuppy]

TBH i don't want to fight lavender right now. i might be talked into this depending on what prism / chara want, but at the moment im not ready. call it gut feeling

[CantHateAPuppy]

pineapple?

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ive also been mostly on mute but dont really have anything to say. feels like we used up all the brainthoughts last week and are huffing fumes this week. deadline in 2 days right?

i say strike while the iron is hot and before the game drags on and everyone subs out. someone tell me what the wagon is already and ill probably vote there unless its the wrong wagon

[CantHateAPuppy]

all right, ive been kind of coasting because i thought everything we'd had to discuss had been hashed out already and we were getting ready to hammer someone and then could come back tomorrow after two flips

since it doesnto look like that's the case i'll have to force myself to say a little more. i'll come around later and serve up some updated hot takes. tea and coffee also served

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this is actually a really good readlist tbh, i think im just going to copy this as my readslist (including the part where i'm in the center and tanner is on the far left, that's right what are you going to say about it? nothing i bet)

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is it? i mean, it's fine, but it's pretty much the same shrug PoE we've been dealing with for more than a week, also starring Hectic.

that's why it's a good readlist

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is it? i mean, it's fine, but it's pretty much the same shrug PoE we've been dealing with for more than a week, also starring Hectic.

that's why it's a good readlist

to elaborate, part of what i like about it is it clarifies some of my own thoughts. there's one cluster of players we should fight from, and another we shouldn't bother with today. i guess ive been saying this all along, but seeing it expressed as a pretty picture made me more confident in it. i dont think it matters too much who we flip from that pool, but we've got to make up our minds already

[CantHateAPuppy]

i like mcdonald's fries. haven't eaten there in years though. wendy's baked potatoes used to be pretty good though the last time i had one it was pretty disappointing.

man, ive been craving a burger for a while now. thanks guys. im going on a big road trip in a few weeks, so i guess i'll get my fill then. (and we better have picked up the pace by then too!) i like to get my burgers from small town diners. had this really good one before lockdown that had peanut butter on it, you wouldn't have believed peanut butter and cheese could be that good. it was like something my dog would eat ( )

[CantHateAPuppy]

Prism you do not need to apologize for that what the fuck take a nap

[CantHateAPuppy]

damn, look at all those pages in the night. ive really been slacking <_<

content to come, i have a few things to say

[CantHateAPuppy]

right now it looks like the options are hectic / tanner / lavender / taylor. not sure what happened to krazy? feel like i blinked and poof he want from a main suspect to obvtown. how did that happen? not sure i buy it, that slot is a hard mid-null

[CantHateAPuppy]

right now it looks like the options are hectic / tanner / lavender / taylor. not sure what happened to krazy? feel like i blinked and poof he want from a main suspect to obvtown. how did that happen? not sure i buy it, that slot is a hard mid-null

of these wagons i think my preference would be: hectic = taylor > lavender > tanner

lavender popped in a while ago and made a post that gave me town vibes, maybe just because she answered some of my questions which i appreciated. ive played enough games with a sort of lurker lynchbait town so im always cautious about just voting there. but on reflection literally the last game i used that rule that slot turned out to be scum who coasted. so, i dunno. i dont think i want to hammer there but if that's the town pick i might be swayed

[CantHateAPuppy]

i have some thoughts about the tanner slot but i still have him as town. there were a lot of posts and arguments about it and, basically, the case against him seems to be that he doesn't have the WIM? it doesn't seem very persuasive to me. there were a lot of arguments about his progression on me, and how he kind of dropped it at the end. maybe the fact that he's not pushing himself more damn the consequences is the opposite of the whole "prickly" vibe i picked up early on that made me townread him in the first place. but sitting as the party attacked, i think his progression was pretty believable, i dont think he ever really tried twisting anything i said or was using bad intent. and none of the cases made on him look at the early day 1 stuff where we were RVS townblocing, which is pretty important to how im reading that slot TBH. so i still dont want a tanner fight

[CantHateAPuppy]

ok, i had a lot of things to say about hectic, but i would've sworn he voted to spare prism earlier and then said nobody should sheep him, but i was going to sheep him anyways because sparing is still viable IMO. I know everyone is sick of that whole thing by now, but hectic making that spare was actually going to push me to vote for taylor over him and if i didn't read it right and misremembered that changes what i want to say about him

[CantHateAPuppy]

HEAL: Prism

This is not a serious proposal and I doubt it would be a correct mechanical choice, just keeping track of where my head's at right now

darn this is the post i was remembering. now im really not sure what to feel

i went into this sequence of posts thinking i was going to vote for taylor. is it bad if i havent' even really done a lot of this thinking on taylor herself to justify myself?

[CantHateAPuppy]

Alright POE Summary for me off top of my head: (add if I miss anything)

Taylor Swift:

Pro:
Read Progression is random af
Didn't vote Beeboy - tried to push multiple other wagons in dying hours of D1.
Catboi listed her as the only other scum in 924
Self-Sacrifice Proposal out of nowhere - doesn't really make strategic sense as town esp today.

Con:
ISO tonally doesn't feel same as Noir.
Beeboy Tried to push her before he flaked out? (Distancing b4 giving up?)


Krazy:

Pro:
redtea flaked out - fits missing scumpartner of beeboy profile
had trouble replying to things

Con:
D2 wagon felt fast? I dunno here somebody fill this in.

Hectic:

Pro:
Disengaged during D2.
Tonally feels different from Regular Hectic (Could be burnout or RL?)
Failed to soul-vibe with Pooky.

Con:
Rereading his end of d1 play I don't see him being scum unless Beeboy literally says in scum PT "just bus me I give up" ?
Which I guess I can see Beeboy doing.
I would hate to lynch Hectic and he flip town so somebody else make the call on this.

Lavendar:

Pro:
Doesn't really do much - kind of fits the profile of a silent partner

Con:
Hectic says her read list is town and I don't really know how to read her.

this was a really helpful post for me. (although, pooky, your pros and cons are labeled backwards )

I feel like your krazy con (er, pro?) is null because if his wagon moved fast, that also could mean scum weren't on it. but really, my main beef with krazy is i feel like ive tried talking to him more and didn't get some more of the kinds of conversations i wanted

in lavender's defense i would add that she didn't really hard defend beeboy iirc, even if she was lurker scum surely she'd do something more than watch her game basically end D1?

hectic i would say that he's got all these takes that are different from the rest of town, like he's the only person with some reads on me and a few other players, and he's the only one who doesn't have the basically standard lynchpool we've all been fighting over, but he also isn't really doing anything to push those reads. RN that reads more like posture than anything tbh, which i kind of read as scum

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why are you suddenly asking about sparing

Hectic wants to spare but isn't actually voting anyone for spare. So it's fair to ask, does he have anyone in mind? So far that slot is mostly just mech talk. Let the man speak for himself!

Did you answer this after or before you saw Ele's question, Launchy?

Would appreciate if you answered this while you're here!

i was just gonna get to this, glad u popped in TBH because i was just reflicting that one reason i haven't posted much lately is that it feels like talking to an empty stage when im the only one posting at this hour

i don't really remember? the way i remember it is you were arguing for spares as an abstract concept, but hadn't really picked anybody to spare. so i wanted to see who you wanted to actually spare, and ele jumped in early and started interpreting my question all sorts of weird ways

this was early enough in D1 where i was just excited to be in another game and was probably F5'ing repeatedly, so i probably answered his queston in real-time. does that help?

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Alright, I was hoping you would say you definitely answered it after seeing the question, because there were only 15 seconds between those two posts. So unless you have a wpm of 148 and saw and processed and Ele's post instantly as it was sent, you would've been lying.

yeah i might remember being intercepted by the thread being updated, but i think if i was to say that with 100% confidence i'd probably just forcing a memory on myself at this point

if you want to catch me out in a lie, you should ask me my real opinion about mcdonalds french fries :O

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hectic i would say that he's got all these takes that are different from the rest of town, like he's the only person with some reads on me and a few other players, and he's the only one who doesn't have the basically standard lynchpool we've all been fighting over, but he also isn't really doing anything to push those reads. RN that reads more like posture than anything tbh, which i kind of read as scum

Nah, you're reaching the wrong conclusions here.

Relaxing and letting town get drawn by Lavender/Tayl0r would be bliss as scum.

Shame I'm not and I think they're town though.

I was pushing elsewhere when I was confident on it (Krazy). However, he's now not ChAara and so not viable for today. I don't have anywhere else I'm confident about which is why you're seeing a lack of pushes from me right now.

i think the mistake was spending this much time on the debate, not in the targets discussed. we have some null-scum slots worth flipping, and no matter who we flip we're getting scum anyways. i think the discussion has carried on far too long, is just draining town's energy right now. so the fact that you're one of the only players at least discussing other things reads to me as townlean, although i'm not sure how town this is when you're not actually developing a lot of these opinions except as a sort of test balloon trial, which makes me scumlean. you can convince me to read this in a scum way if you prefer?

[CantHateAPuppy]

the best french fries are friend in beef tallow and all the fast food places switched over to vegetable oil a long time ago because it was cheaper, and BIG VEGETABLE OIL and BIG PUFA convinced people that vegetable oil is healthier. but it's not! it's not healthy and even worse its not delicious!

so top tier french fries don't exist anymore. i remember i was in japan one time and had mcdonald's in an airport, those tasted like beef tallow or butter, the best fries i've had for fast food in years.

[CantHateAPuppy]

the best french fries are friend in beef tallow and all the fast food places switched over to vegetable oil a long time ago because it was cheaper, and BIG VEGETABLE OIL and BIG PUFA convinced people that vegetable oil is healthier. but it's not! it's not healthy and even worse its not delicious!

so top tier french fries don't exist anymore. i remember i was in japan one time and had mcdonald's in an airport, those tasted like beef tallow or butter, the best fries i've had for fast food in years.

new mafia theme idea: diet mafia. BIG HEALTH has infiltrated your small restaurant and is trying to poison you through dieting. scumteam is common foods that people have been told are healthy but aren't (salmon, avocado, whole grains). town is foods that are healthy but people have been told aren't (ice cream, big juicy steaks, butter, sugar). players are eliminated by a vote to determine who gets eaten as part of a midday meal.

[CantHateAPuppy]

My sus pool ftr is [Launchy, Pooky, Krazy] right now. I just don't feel confident about any one read to case or push it.

The tier above that is probably [Tanner, Lavender].

pooky? tanner? i just feel like we're playing two different games. if i could resolve this into a solid scumread or a solid townread, i would feel a lot better about you and the game in general

[CantHateAPuppy]

My sus pool ftr is [Launchy, Pooky, Krazy] right now. I just don't feel confident about any one read to case or push it.

The tier above that is probably [Tanner, Lavender].

pooky? tanner? i just feel like we're playing two different games. if i could resolve this into a solid scumread or a solid townread, i would feel a lot better about you and the game in general

Probably be more accurate to say this:

Tanner, Lavender
Launchy, Pooky


Krazy

Krazy's slot was my only scumread and now he's not a thing. The rest aren't scumleans even and I see more town than scum there - this is the problem.

is this top bottom or bottom top

[CantHateAPuppy]

morning tweet is officially posting with the #MiddayCru

it's true, McDongonads still has the best fries even if they're not as good as they used to be D:

i dont really get all the NKA about catboi-redtea. catboi had a lot of reads so why would this one be important? im not especially wedded to doing a deep dive on this or making a case about it, but the NKA argument never made much sense to me

[CantHateAPuppy]

Isis PMed me earlier and we talked a little about how the leading wagons are probably TvTvT and scum are relishing in the current state of affairs. She doesn't spoil herself on games she mods, so don't worry about lack of game integrity or anything.

Anyway, her powersolve was Launchy + Krazy but she pointed out they were too friendly to FIGHT, so I should instead push for 3 SPARES and that the thread was in need of some love, but honestly, I'm not so sure about this idea. I'm gonna continue to haggle with her and see if I can cut the number down some.

Isis PMed me earlier and we talked a little about how the leading wagons are probably TvTvT and scum are relishing in the current state of affairs. She doesn't spoil herself on games she mods, so don't worry about lack of game integrity or anything.Anyway, her powersolve was Launchy + Krazy but she pointed out they were too friendly to FIGHT, so I should instead push for 3 SPARES and that the thread was in need of some love, but honestly, I'm not so sure about this idea. I'm gonna continue to haggle with her and see if I can cut the number down some.

Wait Isis doesn't know who the scum are in this game? I guess that conversation we had over tea about my suspicions about you was not very useful to solving the case huh.

:/

it says right here in my hand-delivered letter from ISIS that the scumteam consists of those players who didn't get a letter. you do have your, right pooky?

[CantHateAPuppy]

I had a dream about this game last night

I dreamt that someone (not anyone actually in this game, someone from a different site) asked me what I thought of a really implausible scumteam

I don't even remember the exact team, it had yellow avatars? Like prism/taylor/pooky or something really imausible. I use grayscale on my phone (dogs are color blind) so I don't remember exactly

Anyways I said "that's the most implausible scumteam I've ever heard. Why do you mention it"

"Well, I put a curse on those players so they would associate differently in case they were scum. But I screwed up, it was a love curse, I think I made it so those players would fall in love"

Then at that point I started dreaming about being a professional chef running a restaurant out of my dining room serving roast duck with an appetizer of soup rice

went back to think about this and im kicking mself rn for whatever the word "imausible" is supposed to mean.

[CantHateAPuppy]

Why doesn't Hectic make sense as the Chara?

chara-hectic doesn't lolbus elements?

like that's genuinely as profound as my reads go right now

dont want to start second guessing reads this late in the phase

but this post just doesn't sit right w/ me RN. tanner, could u elaborate on this even a little? if not, can u explain what u don't like about the game that's making it hard to make a better read here?

[CantHateAPuppy]

like lavender does not play mafia, lavender likes to be in the room while other people play mafia

this is a mood. that's me. in the mirror. i resemble this comment.