Silent Star 3: Royalty

[team rocket queen]

hi morning tweet!

hello friends!

i am a vanilla town.

[team rocket queen]

hectic and I have been over the greeting tell thing in the past.

mystery box h8 post 14

[team rocket queen]

Woah, pretty passive agressive to greet MT separately to greeting 'friends'.
Howdy and hello. How's it feel to know Morning Tweet probably already has you as locktown at this point?

hello. i am not sure if you would count my ever so brief appearance in matrix decipher as having met before. morning tweet and i have met before, however! and i was left off of the 'hi' list, so

[team rocket queen]

TRQ!

jessie, please, so i don't make the 'trek' sound in my head. queen jessie is also acceptable.

i'm sorry (>﹏<) i'm so prone to missing people and then I feel terrible

also, no need to feel terrible on my account, i am me but also not me, so it is my fault that you missed me not yours.

[team rocket queen]

Ooh, are you the person we never got a chance to play with? I heard and said a lot of good things about you.

indeed i am. i hope i thanked you for your kindness. if not, thankyou.

[team rocket queen]

i think

do you think it is important how long it was from game going up to game start? do you think it is important that there were immediately four confirms?

[team rocket queen]

i think it doesn't matter, what about you?

last silent star the mafia had choices to make before the game started so i think it is potentially relevant

[team rocket queen]

and was the game as long to start as this time?

pretty sure the confirm count stayed at 4 for a long time, so maybe Hectic just had stuff to do

game started much quicker last time. by immediately i meant that hectic had made post 1 when i saw it but the confirmation count was already at four.

Jessie, why did you claim VT right away?

It's possible the mafia made pregame choices and it's fun to be curious about it but I don't think Hectic would do pregame cult shots without informing us, so it should still just be "vote scummy people".

it was a reference to newbie 1992 post 14, mostly for skitter's benefit. also all of town has that role, so

i don't think hectic would do the cult shots again anyway, but some choice seems very possible, and due to time and the fact that one would assume 3-4 non-town in this game it seemed curious to me

[team rocket queen]

maybe like the groupscum got to make choices before other peoples received their role PM's? PM's took quite some time to be sent too from what i recall

if im understanding this right, that would mean that PMs were staggered

hectic sent all the townie PMs at once in menagerie, then gave Ydrasse a second role PM after Pooky made his choice, so I doubt it. unless that's not what you mean

and was the game as long to start as this time?

pretty sure the confirm count stayed at 4 for a long time, so maybe Hectic just had stuff to do

game started much quicker last time. by immediately i meant that hectic had made post 1 when i saw it but the confirmation count was already at four.

i think it's possible scum got to act first, but I'm not sure that it'd have an effect on the confirm counter because I think we all got our stuff at once. plus i think overall it'd be kinda janky if some players had the option to confirm when others couldnt

these are the same conclusions i reached +) though it did make me once again think about how games should probably have a set start time like miccro blitzes

[team rocket queen]

shifty closed bastard games

it is possible i mostly think so because these are the games i am most drawn to by far

[team rocket queen]

screw you hectic these VC’s are all mine

it seems you have missed a few votes so i will help you out:

unofficial votecount

Isis (1)

: Infinity 324 (49)

Flea The Magician

:

Ydrasse

:

Infinity 324

:

Gloria Cleary (1)

: Gypyx (27)

Morning Tweet

:

TheGoldenParadox

:

PookyTheMagicalBear (3)

: Morning Tweet (10), Hopkirk (12), Isis (41)

skitter30

:

team rocket queen

:

Gypyx

:

Tayl0r Swift

:

Hopkirk

:

not voting (9)

: Flea The Magician, Ydrasse, Gloria Cleary, TheGoldenParadox, PookyTheMagicalBear, skitter30, team rocket queen, Gypyx, Tayl0r Swift

changelog

isis votes skitter (5)
morning tweet votes pooky (10)
hopkirk votes pooky (12)
gypyx votes gloria cleary (27)
isis votes pooky (41)
infinity votes taylor (46)
infinity votes isis (49)

additionally hectic is a hero so my claim to the votecounts should default to him.

[team rocket queen]

after playing mystery box, I cannot think of a better type of game that fits your type of analysis than ones such as these

silent star: lunacy is my preferred example due to how comparably better i played, though mystery box started me down the path and it is where i first met you and hectic and bugspray!

also everyone should make believe i did not make a mistake in the unofficial votecount regarding gypyx being listed and counted as not voting in addition to his vote on gloria.

[team rocket queen]

wear

wear

+

[team rocket queen]

maybe we'll have a dance mechanic?

i actually thought about this too when isis said break the setup with weddings.

[team rocket queen]

[team rocket queen]

dance mechanic

dance mechanic

so like, things kinda in favour of this:

All groups with Private Topics (PTs) will be able to converse during any Day Phases.

During this phase, you will have two launches (eliminations). You have 8 days for each launch.

(because first launch putting to evens and then... dance! {maybe addresses town-sided nature of normal dance setup? maybe!?})

things that make it seem quite unlikely:

the 13 of YOU; chefs, organisers, decorators

unless for some reason the chefs, organisers, and decorators (some of which are stealing food) become guests post first elimination, which seems like an unlikely flavour oversight.

[team rocket queen]

@TeamRocketQueen. do you have any reads so far?

i do not. why do you ask?

[team rocket queen]

I don't want to scumread Jessie

it's okay not to, i'm town.

[team rocket queen]

hello!

hi!

i don't know where it was but you ???? the post about my first post which was a reference to my newbie game in which i referenced saudade - thought you might appreciate it because you were in that game that's why i said it was for your benefit.

[team rocket queen]

it was a reference to newbie 1992 post 14, mostly for skitter's benefit. also all of town has that role, so

hmmmm ?

[team rocket queen]

Any thoughts on anyone in the playerlist? I’m curious because you’ve speculated at lot about the setup, so I thought you might have had some reactions?

why were you looking for me to have reads then though?

[team rocket queen]

You’re Jessie?

i believe so, yes. 'jessie' is much preferable to 'trq' as an abbreviation.

[team rocket queen]

is trq drusilla?

yes!

[team rocket queen]

I just wondered because you were so involved in the setup spec, so I thought you’d have some thoughts on the playerlist as well. Why wouldn’t I look for you or anyone to have reads? How else are you supposed to parse people?

it is strange to me that you asked now as opposed to then, when we were both active earlier. like it felt like a weird time for you to discover that.

[team rocket queen]

I don’t see why. I wasn’t doing much to effort at that time and was actually waiting for someone to ask my thoughts but I finally got tired of waiting. It’s unusual that no one talks to me. In DC, I got questioned by both town and scum after I think one or two posts.

but like, you asked me when i wasn't around and one would generally assume that i would catch up on the last four pages or whatever right?

so:
we're both active > i was involved in setup spec, didn't give reads
time passes
you are active, i am not > you ask me if i have any reads, assumedly because you are looking at my posts and noticing the above > so my thoughts are, hm, why now? why not earlier? like kinda feels like you were searching and i don't really follow how that was meant to get someone to ask your thoughts, as you couldn't have known i was around to do so?

[team rocket queen]

I don't know how Gypyx knows this cause I've never seen them play but they must have played somewhere together, clearly.

gypyx and i played together in mantis leadership

[team rocket queen]

Only thing was, I still don’t understand why she thought it was “weird” that I’m asking her for townreads now when I wasn’t what I’d call “active” earlier, I was clearly just posting fluff, so that comment still makes no sense to me.

because it felt like a very weird time for you to realize that i hadn't given any reads and ask about it.

[team rocket queen]

I took mental notes just didn’t post them. Don’t understand why you think that?

hm. had this been your immediate response when asked about it this would probably make sense to me.

[team rocket queen]

unofficial votecount

Isis

(1): TheGoldenParadox (277)

Flea The Magician

:

Ydrasse

:

Infinity 324

:

Gloria Cleary (1)

: Gypyx (27)

Morning Tweet

:

TheGoldenParadox (2)

: Isis (180), skitter30 (284)

PookyTheMagicalBear

:

skitter30

:

team rocket queen

:

Gypyx

(1): Hopkirk (184)

Tayl0r Swift (2)

: Infinity 324 (186), Morning Tweet (324)

Hopkirk (2)

: Flea The Magician (58), Tayl0r Swift (84)

not voting (4)

: Ydrasse, Gloria Cleary, PookyTheMagicalBear, team rocket queen

deadline

: (expired on 2020-11-29 09:11:15)

changelog

isis votes skitter (5)
morning tweet votes pooky (10)
hopkirk votes pooky (12)
gypyx votes gloria cleary (27)
isis votes pooky (41)
infinity votes taylor (46)
infinity votes isis (49)
flea votes hopkirk (58)
taylor votes hopkirk (84)
thegoldenparadox votes taylor (109)
isis votes infinity (180)
isis votes thegoldenparadox (180)
hopkirk votes gypyx (184)
infinity votes taylor (186)
skitter votes gloria cleary (243)
thegoldenparadox votes isis (277)
skitter votes thegoldenparadox (284)
morning tweet votes taylor (324)

[team rocket queen]

I'll be back in ~20 mins then can respond in real time to anything you wanted to discuss Skitter30.

cool
might have to bounce before u get back tho

I am now around.

i would like to assume your role in this exchange and you can assume skitter's (you: detective hopkirk! me: responding in real time to anything you want to discuss)

[team rocket queen]

and action

[team rocket queen]

Where have we met before, I don't remember seeing you in Matrix.

i was danica, who had to be replaced due to being added to the wrong pt, and then i ascended to t r i n i t y

which i believe you had to have known to have said earlier that you said kind things about me!?

[team rocket queen]

You feel very nullish. What are your reads looking like Jessie?

i do feel nullish to me as well. no particularly strong reads, just some thoughts/feelings. dunnstral wants me to place a vote so i will get on this shortly.

[team rocket queen]

interesting question:

i think

do you think it is important how long it was from game going up to game start? do you think it is important that there were immediately four confirms?

@TeamRocketQueen. do you have any reads so far?

i do not. why do you ask?

[team rocket queen]

What is the connection between those two posts?

i was responding to this:

Can you point out two things in your iso you think are townish?

but i lost the quote while fetching the other quotes

[team rocket queen]

is

you can play the good cop to hopkirk's bad cop if you'd like

[team rocket queen]

?????

i meant for the purpose of this exchange. like in my head the setting is an interrogation room, and hopkirk is a detective, and you can be the other detective, if you'd like

[team rocket queen]

i meant for the purpose of this exchange. like in my head the setting is an interrogation room, and hopkirk is a detective, and you can be the other detective, if you'd like

like i wanted to see what sort of questions hopkirk would ask/was expecting to be asked because he put emphasis on the real time nature of this:

I'll be back in ~20 mins then can respond in real time to anything you wanted to discuss Skitter30.

i do feel nullish to me as well. no particularly strong reads, just some thoughts/feelings. dunnstral wants me to place a vote so i will get on this shortly.

so i made it clear that i have thoughts/feelings, and also that i've read the thread, to get hopkirk to like, ask me specific things instead of just like 'what are your reads', as i wanted to see what hopkirk thought would be important for me to have an opinion on

but in his absence, i'm also curious about what you are interested in

[team rocket queen]

basically it feels like 575 should come after 576 but it comes before

[team rocket queen]

Can someone show me how to make the post links’ thing? Thanks.

[ post ] # [ / post ]

without the spaces

[team rocket queen]

Skitter30 had asked me to interact in real time with her before that.

hm. this?:

and i kinda wanna reserve judgement on hopkirk until i can talk to him about the me/gloria thing he's pushing, as i'm finding it to be a bit puzzling

[team rocket queen]

Jessie mostly hasn't towntold yet and has touched on a lot of topics where I'd expect her to have towntold.

curious where you think i should have towntold? i know you know i am aware of the things you've previously townread me for. was this a bait?:

Jessie, why did you claim VT right away?

I didn't see the "everyone's a VT" announcement.

was i meant to say something about you not reading the setup? am i meant to be sarcastic? was i meant to take the setup speculation to extremes?

If you get to recruit scumpartners pregame and you don't recruit Jesse you're throwing because she's excellent at scum!

do you actually believe this?

[team rocket queen]

Why is gypyx town?

+1

@TGP

+3 if you count me and Isis.

isn't this:

Why think about recruiting specifically?

just like a super towny post? would rather here more about why gypyx isn't town from pooky

[team rocket queen]

here

*hear

[team rocket queen]

Just clicked the link and it sent me to the wrong post. :/

sorry no #

[ post ] 709 [ / post ]

[team rocket queen]

i meant replace # with the number of the post sorry for confusion

[team rocket queen]

Why is 413 a townpost jessie?

whole quote for context:

"Like imo it's the opposite, if scum did pregame choices, it's more likely that jessie is scum"

What does this quote mean Gypyx?

If you get to recruit scumpartners pregame and you don't recruit Jesse you're throwing because she's excellent at scum!
I don't know how Gypyx knows this cause I've never seen them play but they must have played somewhere together, clearly.

Why think about recruiting specifically?

because it shows that gypyx was like following from step to step and it asks a very good question for someone unaware of silent star: menagerie

[team rocket queen]

specific situations not being day 1 of a silent star game

glad we have an expert on silent star games (this post mostly for isis)

[team rocket queen]

obviously i'm not an expert on silent star games and i haven't played one, but ONLY setup speccing on d1 with literally no information on a game that is known to be complex and have twists and turns without a single read on a player in the game is terrible.

i played in both of the first two. do for my posts what you did for gypyx. do you think i just randomly asked gypyx about the setup on page two? because i didn't. does the rest of my engagement feel random? or irrelevant?

[team rocket queen]

oh okay, i missed this, actually. i still think it's unfortunate that you don't have reads on most players in the game but i like this post so i'm putting you at null for right now. i really need reads from you though because you have 47 posts and 1 read on my count.

what do you i currently think of hopkirk/skitter based on my posts?

[team rocket queen]

what do you i currently think of hopkirk/skitter based on my posts?

what do you think*

[team rocket queen]

what do you i currently think of hopkirk/skitter based on my posts?

pooky can you answer this too. or anyone else who is around.

[team rocket queen]

pooky can you answer this too. or anyone else who is around.

please.

[team rocket queen]

.

ah sorry i quoted the not fixed version. i'm trying to ask what you think that i think of those slots based on my posts.

[team rocket queen]

I had to ISO you to remember, but you seem to have issues with hopkirk and I’m not sure what you think of skitter. You’re kinda talking about her like she’s towny though.

thankyou for answering.

[team rocket queen]

106 would be a randomly selected post that might've contained townspew but doesn't

ah, so this one:

was i meant to take the setup speculation to extremes?

If you get to recruit scumpartners pregame and you don't recruit Jesse you're throwing because she's excellent at scum!

do you actually believe this?

No, this is hyperbole. I think you're great at scumplay but you in no way would be the only good choice in this playerlist

i meant the 'she's excellent at scum' bit but it seems you've answered that in your reply.

[team rocket queen]

because it shows that gypyx was like following from step to step and it asks a very good question for someone unaware of silent star: menagerie

i'm not sure this is 'town indicative' so much as 'asking a reasonable followup' indicative

but it wasn't really a followup.

pooky asks gypyx about a post > isis responds to pooky with a reference to silent star: menagerie > gypyx asks isis why she jumped to recruiting

[team rocket queen]

VOTE: thegoldenparadox

[team rocket queen]

pooky asks gypyx about a post > isis responds to pooky with a reference to silent star: menagerie > gypyx asks isis why she jumped to recruiting

maybe i'm just missing the whole thread of this convo but i'm not following your logic here

it feels like something town would jump on there but not mafia to me

[team rocket queen]

whooo if only magicking up votes was always that easy

jessie do u scumread tgp?

enough to vote, yes. i felt like the gypyx defense was weird with the greeting and all and the interaction with me following kinda felt like they wanted to disengage from me

[team rocket queen]

was recruiting something that happened in menagerie?

yes there were 8 town role pms and 1 mafia role pm and then the solo mafia chose a partner as part of pregame

[team rocket queen]

ok then i don't see why it's town indicative any more than asking a followup because he didn't know that recruiting was a mechanic in that game

so gypyx presents

if pregame things happened > jessie is mafia

pooky says, wait, why

isis references menagerie

gypyx says oh! why recruiting!

like it felt like gypyx wasn't presenting a read to do so but hunting for people having information

[team rocket queen]

ok but why would he know that having information > scum

? do you have information?

[team rocket queen]

ok but why would he know that having information > scum

? do you have information?

nope

so do you think it is alignment indicative if other people have information?

[team rocket queen]

Also do u have a read on me?

+town +partner with hopkirk

[team rocket queen]

Right, but i think its equally likely that he as either alignment would want to find out that info

I also think this convo is kinda going in circles at this point

i don't really understand what either you or pooky are saying here. i get that i repeat things and i am sorry for that, but like, if all of town is vanilla and has no information, why would someone actively hunting for people with information not be more likely to be towny?

[team rocket queen]

Interesting, if anything i would expect an *anti* partner read with hopkirk

575 still feels out of place to me and one possible explanation for that is partners

[team rocket queen]

why would he know the scum have information to begin with?

i feel like he wouldn't have to know that they have information to know that he does not have information? and thus anyone with information is suspicious?

[team rocket queen]

unofficial votecount

Isis

:

Flea The Magician

:

Ydrasse

:

Infinity 324

:

Gloria Cleary (1)

: Gypyx (27)

Morning Tweet

:

TheGoldenParadox (5)

: skitter30 (284), Dunnstral (530), PookyTheMagicalBear (738), team rocket queen (832), Ydrasse (860)

PookyTheMagicalBear

:

skitter30 (2)

: Isis (693), Infinity 324 (718)

team rocket queen

:

Gypyx

:

Dunnstral (3)

: Morning Tweet (324), TheGoldenParadox (687), Hopkirk (691)

Hopkirk

:

not voting (2)

: Gloria Cleary, Flea The Magician (528)

deadline

: (expired on 2020-11-29 09:11:15)

changelog

isis votes skitter (5)
morning tweet votes pooky (10)
hopkirk votes pooky (12)
gypyx votes gloria cleary (27)
isis votes pooky (41)
infinity votes dunnstral (46)
infinity votes isis (49)
flea votes hopkirk (58)
dunnstral votes hopkirk (84)
thegoldenparadox votes taylor (109)
isis votes infinity (180)
isis votes thegoldenparadox (180)
hopkirk votes gypyx (184)
infinity votes dunnstral (186)
skitter votes gloria cleary (243)
thegoldenparadox votes isis (277)
skitter votes thegoldenparadox (284)
morning tweet votes dunnstral (324)
flea unvotes (528)
dunnstral votes thegoldenparadox (530)
thegoldenparadox votes dunnstral (687)
hopkirk votes dunnstral (691)
isis votes skitter (693)
infinity votes skitter (718)
pooky votes thegoldenparadox (738)
jessie votes thegoldenparadox (832)
ydrasse votes thegoldenparadox (860)

[team rocket queen]

I don't want to respond to Jessie's last post because I think we might be talking past eachother and I want to start fresh with her.

it's like, hm, okay,

so you say that you think that i am good as mafia:

she's excellent at scum

I think you're great at scumplay

and also that i haven't towntold:

Jessie mostly hasn't towntold yet and has touched on a lot of topics where I'd expect her to have towntold.

but i know that you know that i know what the version of 106 or whatever post that gets me townread looks like

so it feels like that way of trying to read me should be logically inconsistent from your pov? but idk if that's alignment indicative

like had i taken the setup speculation to extremes would you have thought, ah yes she is town?

[team rocket queen]

I want to start fresh with her.

but also this is okay with me too of course

[team rocket queen]

OK

hi! do like, visualization exercises help you?

[team rocket queen]

I get over stimulated or my brain just goes off on tangents.

ah, i think we are similar in some ways

asoftmurmur.com is amazing btw.

thankyou for this!!

[team rocket queen]

Are you sure it’s E - 2? The VC says that there’s 5 votes or did I miss one?

five votes is e-2

[team rocket queen]

UNVOTE:

[team rocket queen]

VOTE: thegoldenparadox

In fairness this is kinda sus in and of itself...

i voted because skitter encouraged me to and earlier in the game she had called me out for not voting and i wanted to see how she'd react. i still think thegoldenparadox is one of the more likely people to be mafia right now, but when people are talking about hammering right now it seems

....

[team rocket queen]

eugh now I'm suspicious of Jessie and I'm kinda weirdly hyperfocused and scatter brained at the time same...

TOO THE ISOSPHERE! ... and someone bring me another cheesy song, in case I need it.

wait talk to me please

[team rocket queen]

like why would, watch the day end right now, be good?

[team rocket queen]

It wouldn't.

this was happening, seemed like unvote was a better way to ensure that

Noraa told me I could be the hammer.

Yeah, jk about the hammer. I’m willing to do an E-1 as well and let Flea be the hammer.

Would you have a problem with someone at E-1 at this point jessie?

yes

[team rocket queen]

i support and endorse the tgp wagon

i voted because skitter encouraged me to

[team rocket queen]

skitter says she supports and endorses it, i think, i will vote and see how she reacts since she called me out for not voting earlier

[team rocket queen]

Pretty sure Gloria is referencing the absolute torture pit that was Death Curse given I don't think Nora's even in this game. I can't see how Glorias comments give an image of an early hammer?

Given I'd stated intent, anyone voting after that stage for the hammer would be highly suspicious. Removing time from town to talk and discuss is NEVER a good look and I'm fairly sure nobody in this game would be so careless as to drop that hammer.

Of course, this is assuming no self-hammer.

i saw multiple people saying hammer and unvoted, i wasn't in death curse so i am unfamiliar with the reference

it just seemed like a hammer was being discussed to me,

[team rocket queen]

it just seemed like a hammer was being discussed to me,

like it seemed like gloria was saying i want to hammer to me, like encouraging you to put to e-1, and then saying that she would put to e-1 and you could hammer

[team rocket queen]

There was 1 minute between your vote and skitters post, I can understand thinking "ooo reaction test" but then I can't understand this as being part of the reaction test.

whooo if only magicking up votes was always that easy

jessie do u scumread tgp?

enough to vote, yes. i felt like the gypyx defense was weird with the greeting and all and the interaction with me following kinda felt like they wanted to disengage from me

Honestly this is feeling like a bad jump on a wagon to a bad jump off :/

? that isn't part of the reaction test, that is truthful. like i have a read on thegoldenparadox and am seeing how skitter reacts to my vote i don't understand

[team rocket queen]

What reaction were you hoping for?
What did you make of the reaction you got?

i wasn't hoping as much as wondering, it is hard for me to tell how much skitter is considering my play in the past when interacting with me

[team rocket queen]

it is hard for me to tell how much skitter is considering my play in the past when interacting with me

like she called me out for not voting, in addition to dunnstral doing so

and in mystery box g9 i went two day phases without voting except for rvs

and in that game dunnstral replaced skitter, so i can't tell if them pushing me to vote is related to this or not, like if it is a me specific thing or an in general thing,

so i wanted to see if skitter would react to my voting in an alignment indicative way, which to me she didn't

[team rocket queen]

Given Noraa isn't in the game, it's kinda obvious that GLoria was joking about being the hammer.

i think perhaps obvious to you and obvious to me are not the same thing.

Any thoughts on why that would be?

because thegoldenparadox does not want to engage with me, i assume. same reason they disengaged from me earlier.

Given you've not placed your vote back, I assume you're not that confident in your read on TGP currently, who else would you consider in the pool for today?

i don't see the benefit of anyone being at e-1. currently i am most suspicious of thegoldenparadox, gloria cleary, and hopkirk. but it's not like a static thing. why would i be confident now when even the person i think is the most likely to be mafia would still almost always be under 50%?

[team rocket queen]

after that mech talk started again.

also my read of gypyx isn't mech talk, it comes from the mech talk

[team rocket queen]

i think perhaps obvious to you and obvious to me are not the same thing.

isis can add me to her 'cognitive load' list if she so wishes

Would you speculate at all on why TGP doesn't want to interact with you? I haven't ISO'd you yet, [you're definitely on my list though], what will I find on you trying to interact with TGP beyond the birthday suit reaction test vote?

729 and the ten or so posts following.

like mafia indicative reasons would be that their read on me was just to say something and they hadn't thought it through. like i wanted them to go into why they thought i was making my posts kinda the way they did with gypyx, but it felt to me as if they hadn't really considered what i was saying, just saw that i hadn't said "i think x is scum" or "i think x is town" or even just saw other people saying it about me or me saying 'i don't have reads' and like used that. which is also part of why i did that of course even though i had thoughts on the game, to see who would consider what i was saying otherwise and who would just go 'she doesn't have reads!!'

if thegoldenparadox is town they might disengage just to not interact with me. like i can't say this has never happened before.

Let hit some theory
Someone said there's a rule of 3 or something for scum, if 3 or more people are given by scum there's 1 buddy mentioned or something. Based on this supposed rule, there's stronger tells between you and TGP currently. Whats your thoughts on this? (again, this is entirely theoretical and I'm curious about your opinion on this)

titus says this sometimes! and i quite enjoy titus thoughts especially with regards to how towns should function. i haven't actually done the research to see if it based in any factual evidence though.

[team rocket queen]

I don't see the relevance here?

because it felt like you were dismissing a read i feel strongly about because it was 'mech talk' even though it wasn't, it just arose out of the mech talk that had occurred earlier

[team rocket queen]

like mafia indicative reasons would be that their read on me was just to say something and they hadn't thought it through. like i wanted them to go into why they thought i was making my posts kinda the way they did with gypyx, but it felt to me as if they hadn't really considered what i was saying, just saw that i hadn't said "i think x is scum" or "i think x is town" or even just saw other people saying it about me or me saying 'i don't have reads' and like used that. which is also part of why i did that of course even though i had thoughts on the game, to see who would consider what i was saying otherwise and who would just go 'she doesn't have reads!!'

which would also lead into like, would they had to have been specifically looking at gypyx iso to make gypyx post if they also had a read on me but they hadn't considered my slot in the same way, which just seems like mafia indicative yeah

[team rocket queen]

leave hoppy alone

if you could look at 575 and explain it in the context of the skitter/hopkirk interactions surrounding it to me i think that would be productive.

to me it feels like, if i think of each of their statements to eachother in that time period as certain colors, and then close my eyes and try to put them in the right order it comes out differently from how it is

or if it was like tennis it feels like 575 is hopkirk attempting to serve while skitter has the ball

[team rocket queen]

*blinks in dumbass* ... huh?

Gypyx and Pooky are racing eachother for cognitive load reads lol

You're a well respected player for your scum game it seems so you're a good candidate to discuss this with.

i don't believe this to be true outside of isis. like for things like that if i were ever to try to apply them i would do the research to see if it was factual first.

Not at all, your read on gypx may be useful later, but considering it now would be to grasp at straws and trying to speedrun a dot to dot.

but my read is basically this:

if all of town is vanilla and has no information, why would someone actively hunting for people with information not be more likely to be towny?

it seems relevant now to me. like why is that grasping at straws and trying to speedrun a dot to dot? like it seemed gypyx was hunting for information in a game where town was confirmed to have no information. thus +town to me.

Taking the post at face value, it seems like they genuinely want to discuss things similar to how we are now and are making a plan for it, if anything it feels like a town move so they're able to talk a little more smoothly instead of wall posting each other.

Reading the following posts I can understand why you've reached the conclusion you have. As someone with a brain that goes A>G>Z>T>C instead of A>B>C though it makes sense to me in that skitter is getting out what she's thinking at the time. It could be that she's not realised hopkirks offer of realtime posting until after making those posts for many reasons and this feels like quite a strech to push.

hm.

hopkirk says nulltowning gloria/skitter and that the nulltowns to him are often mafia (ball goes from hopkirk to skitter)
skitter responds to lots of stuff including hopkirk. (ball back to hopkirk)
skitter says she wants to talk to hopkirk about this before she gives a read on him
hopkirk responds to skitter (ball back to skitter)
skitter is responding to other posts
hopkirk says i'll be around in twenty minutes to discuss in real time anything you want to (but like, why is hopkirk making this post? he's already responded to skitter? and skitter hasn't yet responded to him? and once skitter has responded to him he can just discuss the things in real time?)
skitter responds to hopkirk, also says i won't be around

like the focus on the real time nature of it and it occurring out of time seems off to me

[team rocket queen]

i'm having a bad mental health day. i will try to be here later tonight but we will see

wishing you well, do not worry if unable

[team rocket queen]

what makes gypyx scummy?

his last post is:

"Ok i'm here catchup time"

and that was a day ago?

I feel like we might need to send out a search party soon.

does uh, mafia seem likely to do this to you?

[team rocket queen]

Jessie is your overall position on skitter null atm?

+town, +partner with hopkirk

[team rocket queen]

Explain this? Why am I suspicious at all? This is kind of weirding me out a bit because what have I even done here to warrant your suspicions?

same reason as much earlier in the game

[team rocket queen]

Now you’re sus on Skitter? What happened to me being in your PoE?

no i am suspicious of hopkirk, and one of the reasons i can think of for why that post feels so off to me is that it was a coordinated thing

[team rocket queen]

@jessie

hm. so like a preemptive don't be suspicious of me leaving if you are about to respond to me, i will be back shortly?

[team rocket queen]

Yeah, when I’m posting at the same time as someone else I’ll expect to be able to interact with them in real time and I’ll be (not necessarily suspicious, but) confused when they leave. Hopkirk probably expected skitter to respond so he explained why he wouldn’t be able to respond back right away.

okay. will reread that exchange again with this in mind to see if it makes sense this way after more time has passed.

[team rocket queen]

Yes but I already explained that I made mental notes to ask you later and you said that wasn’t suspicious, so that makes absolutely no sense to me.

no i said it wouldn't have been suspicious had you responded in that way immediately. like it felt possible to me that you thought of that reasoning later.

[team rocket queen]

did u unvote just cuz you're not ready for day to end yet? you do agree with tgp-scum tho, right?

yes

[team rocket queen]

am I reading it right that you interpret it as towny, jessie?

no more like, i don't think it is reasonable for pooky to interpret it as scummy and paint it that way, especially when gypyx was at the bottom of pooky's readslist long before the catchup thing

[team rocket queen]

no more like, i don't think it is reasonable for pooky to interpret it as scummy and paint it that way, especially when gypyx was at the bottom of pooky's readslist long before the catchup thing

so like, when asked why is gypyx mafia, why would the reasoning be, oh his last post is 'catchup time' a day ago when that isn't like a '!!! definitely mafia!!!' thing

[team rocket queen]

You're a well respected player for your scum game

it seems so you're a good candidate to discuss this with.

i don't believe this to be true outside of isis.

like

for things like that if i were ever to try to apply them i would do the research to see if it was factual first.

Isis is also a massively respected player from what I can see and there was no counter to the claim she made or the strength she made it. While there was jokey tones about it in places to me it seemed quite serious too.

sorry i should have quoted 944 better, the second bit was about the rule of three thing. now colour-coded for clarity.

Let hit some theory

Someone said there's a rule of 3 or something for scum, if 3 or more people are given by scum there's 1 buddy mentioned or something. Based on this supposed rule, there's stronger tells between you and TGP currently. Whats your thoughts on this? (again, this is entirely theoretical and I'm curious about your opinion on this)

titus says this sometimes! and i quite enjoy titus thoughts especially with regards to how towns should function. i haven't actually done the research to see if it based in any factual evidence though.

Thats why its theory You're a well respected player for your scum game it seems so you're a good candidate to discuss this with.

[team rocket queen]

What if we are in the world with a scum flagbearer and that's what the delay in the pre-game was rather than just Hectic stalling because Death Curse hadn't finished yet?

What if the flagbearer was actually a lamp-bearer?

What if inside the lamp was a Genie who had magical powers such as the ability to nightkill?

What if Dunnstral is holding the lamp and TGP's silly charade is to keep his friend Dunnstral safe?

Tweetie do you see where I'm going with this? ~.~ ~.~

Oh I hadn’t actually considered that. Hmmm . . .

could you explain pooky's post to me please

[team rocket queen]

i feel like when ive rounded up a bunch of players in the PoE, i still can't justify voting them because i dont have a reason to -- they're just not in my town pool.

Golden I got some pings on, but not nearly as much as say, Gloria or jessie. And I can see why some of their actions are scummy, i just disagree with he conclusion. in this case, the gypx obsession in particular i dont think is strong evidence.

*mind blown*. You seriously think I’m scum here? Am I taking crazy pills? I think I must be.

i think morning tweet is saying she got town pings from us, not scum pings, if i am understanding correctly, since she said we were two of her top townreads earlier

[team rocket queen]

Why aren’t you asking him? I obviously apparently suck at explaining my own thought processes, so I probably will do even worse with anyone else’s. I will try however.

I think Pooky is speculating that TGP could possibly be distancing Dunn? Is that what you’re suggesting @Pooky?

because you were here and seemed to understand pooky's post from your reply, and you explaining how you interpreted it could potentially be helpful to me

[team rocket queen]

Well, I would really like everyone to take a look at 1070 and tell me what they think?

i am on it

Is this like DC where both players get flipped simultaneously? because in that case, scum distancing wouldn’t actually make sense until post-flip, assuming TGP is actually scum.

i don't think it is but it might be, the two launches this phase post doesn't specify

I just think they’re lockscumming people for what reads to me as NAI rvs posts really doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, like Tayl0r and the “cuteness” thing for example.

how do you feel about the reasons pooky thinks gypyx is mafia?

[team rocket queen]

Well, I would really like everyone to take a look at 1070 and tell me what they think?

i am on it

so micro 979 seems completely non-representative due to being a 4 player game, but using like newbie 1849 doesn't seem much better for the scum sample, so i am really only considering mini normal 2171 for this

and there's only nine posts from thegoldenparadox in bad idea mafia iii so that isn't very useful either, but there are plenty of other town games to find

i am not really finding anything particularly similar to their gypyx defense in any of these games. tone is something that is not very easy for me to weigh, but they do seem 'lighter' in mystery box 10, but that doesn't seem to be true of all of their town games.

i think maybe the narrowness of their focus here is potentially mafia indicative, but again working from a one game mafia sample is ...

[team rocket queen]

i am not really finding anything particularly similar to their gypyx defense in any of these games.

like even in terms of analyzing anyone's posts in a similar manner regardless of conclusion

[team rocket queen]

could you explain pooky's post to me please

do you want me to explain it :3

yes please. if you could also include a mental map of how you got there that'd be +++

[team rocket queen]

I’d be impressed by gloria’s “I’m so obvtown” act is she’s scum since she’s...not obvtown.

1075 pretty towny though

[team rocket queen]

1075 pretty towny though

like 'you are asking me to do something but i am doing something else so please at least do that for me' seems towny yeah

[team rocket queen]

yes please. if you could also include a mental map of how you got there that'd be +++

i just realized when i went back to get the link that you posted that picture not hectic lololol

wait which of these images:

Spoiler:

TRQ!

jessie, please, so i don't make the 'trek' sound in my head. queen jessie is also acceptable.

i'm sorry (>﹏<) i'm so prone to missing people and then I feel terrible

also, no need to feel terrible on my account, i am me but also not me, so it is my fault that you missed me not yours.

wear

wear

+

and what is the relevance to the genie flagbearer

[team rocket queen]

genie flagbearer

like it's okay if it doesn't make sense anymore i just want to know how you got there

[team rocket queen]

Spoiler: For Jessie

viewtopic.php?p=12314822#p12314822

from this post I searched for the image and found it was from King's Quest VI.

I searched for the plot of the game and found out it was about a Prince rescuing a Princess who is being forced to marry the Evil Vizier in the Land of the Green Isles.

This fit with my original theory about a Princess trying to escape and also the OP image of a castle by the sea on green landscape.

I then started watching Kings Quest VI ending scenes on youtube and in the "best ending" the Vizier commands his genie to kill the hero but his lamp is stolen and he doesn't kill him.

oh the queue image!! in the first game i played with hectic he claimed an image only except for certain oasis pages post restriction and one of the image templates he used for communicating was from king's quest, which was something i was familiar with having gone very deep into interactive fiction at one point and then gone from there into point and click adventures and seeing the flavour of this game and how well it fit with this account and also being reminded me of how much i enjoyed playing that game (mystery box h8) made me want to play mafia again even though i had recently decided to only moderate

would highly recommend king's quest vi and also playing with hectic

[team rocket queen]

wait so it is from Hectic then :3

well no, the image template hectic used in mystery box h8 was from an earlier king's quest game, i was simply reminded of it seeing the flavour of this game in queue and made that connection

[team rocket queen]

wait someone unvote thegoldenparadox please

pleasepleaseplease

[team rocket queen]

i'll talk to you in a second hopkirk just realized something

[team rocket queen]

pooky please unvote just believe in me for a second

[team rocket queen]

in real time?

sure if you'd like. i see that you've mentioned me and i haven't yet read last page i just hurried here because i HAD A THOUGHT

[team rocket queen]

NGL you are suspiciously defensive of this slot :/ aren't they still like E-2?

i HAD A THOUGHT it isn't a defensive one of the slot i just need someone to unvote

[team rocket queen]

... ok? want to go in more detail at all? :/

yes when someone unvotes i will do so!!!!!!!!!!!

[team rocket queen]

[quote="In post 27, Gypyx"]Hello y'all i'm a jester[/quote
okay i think it is like, very possible this ^ is what's happening here

[team rocket queen]

ebwop

Hello y'all i'm a jester

okay i think it is like, very possible this ^ is what's happening here

[team rocket queen]

for both slots

[team rocket queen]

A Jester role? o.O

I genuinely don't think it's likely, is there any more thought behind this or just suspicion?

Two Jesters... I mean from what I've heard of hectic games I'd probably expect everyone to be in that position if that's the case lol

it explains both of their behaviours for the whole game i think

and also like double elimination day and they are playing this way

[team rocket queen]

I don't really get your read? It feels kinda convoluted/overthought so it's not easy to address.

maybe it is convoluted/overthought. that is why i ask other people, because i am aware that things sometimes get stuck in my mind. isis mentioned ame recently and they are one of my favourite players because they are willing to spend the time to try to see things the way i am and then say, 'jessie i don't think this one makes sense' or 'you might be on to something here' and they like, help me be useful. i get that that's like a big burden for someone, so maybe all of town can share it here.

[team rocket queen]

I don't really see what your problem is? Like I see what you're saying, but I don't understand which bit of it is the problem.

it just felt like you were saying it to say it there. like it didn't make sense to me as it was, like it felt planned or coordinated. because of how it wasn't right to me. i can kinda see it like infinity said and you say you thought of talk as in real time and yeah, i can see that, just didn't feel like natural path of conversation to me but enough others seem to think it is nothing for me to think maybe it is nothing.

[team rocket queen]

TGP has shown willingness to dedicate time to the game with a few of the posts and is just being shonky.

it explains gypyx posting the 'catchup time' post and then not catching up. it explains thegoldenparadox dedicating so much of their iso to tying themselves to gypyx. it feels like maybe not the very best way to orchestrate a day one dual jester plan but it definitely feels like a way and it explains all of the oddities of the game to me. i think there is a pretty good chance they are aligned jesters.

[team rocket queen]

How natural do I feel in general.

i think some of your posts feel preplanned in a nai way, like your playerlist post at the beginning of this game.

but by natural path of conversation i meant more about it being out of time. like the impetus for you saying it felt like you had planned it perhaps.

[team rocket queen]

OK so lets say there is jester potential... and I actually get serious for a moment [eugh i'm going to need to lie down after this now ]

TGP's defense of Gypyx means their wincon could be:
- Jester who is linked to gypyx, meaning either
- - TGP needs to be lynched first
- - TGP just needs to be lynched before gypyx
- - TGP just needs to be lynched.
The wincon doesn't seem to be two ways from what I recall seeing of gypyx.
If gypyx is a jester, they're playing a long game imo.

The defence could be some weird enabler thing or other mechanic? Going off what potential weird ass stuff I can come up with...
- You win if PlayerX survives D1 and you die [modified jester?]
- PlayerX gains Y ability if you die [I suspect this would've been crumbed]
- Lynch redirection - If you're lynched or killed at all, PlayerX dies instead. [Some weird reflex auto bodyguard mechanic]

and I'm sure others can come up with other weird and wonderful stuff...

The problem for me is I know nothing of the Silent Star games so i don't know what mechanics Hectic has used to mess with his players previously. Because of that my best assumption at this point is to treat this as a "standard" game with a weird day mechanic until we have more information.

If people are aware of the mechanics used then we can speculate on stuff, but like hell am I digging through this again to find mech talk I still got isos to do tbh

Also I've done it in both completed games where I've said I'm going to do something, and then give no indication of having actually done it.

or simply they both want to be eliminated today for their wincon. like it also explains thegoldenparadox falling on their sword. i think they are like aligned jesters if either of them are a jester. like they both want to be eliminated, so thegoldenparadox is tying themselves to gypyx with this weird defense. i guess the problem here is with the flips, because if thegoldenparadox flips jester we probably wouldn't flip someone they were defending. it's possible there aren't any flips until we have done both eliminations, as someone suggested.

silent star 1: 10 werewolves, 3 mafia. 6 2-person neighbourhoods, 1 solo, so werewolves thought they were mafia day one.
silent star 2: 8 town pms, 1 mafia, then mafia recruited someone, animal sounds post restriction, two players were nominated, then no more animal sounds and we got to choose between the nominations to be eliminated. then two town were treestumped and lover pairs were made out of the remaining players

[team rocket queen]

or a four person team where two of the players are to be eliminated on day one. i think pooky/skitter/gypyx/thegoldenparadox by far the most likely if this option.

[team rocket queen]

Going on that, jesters seems incredibly unlikely. How long did the games last?

lunacy lasted a month, menagerie lasted 20 days

Jessie are you linked to TGP at all?

Where's your pooky read come from, and would you still be happy with lynching TGP today if they're still the lynch of choice?

like mechanically in this game? no. like outside of this game? no.

pooky for how they're pressuring gypyx without seemingly considering the slot, while also voting thegoldenparadox, and skitter for how she's pushing thegoldenparadox while discounting defenses of gypyx.

like that's why i think if it is a four person team that wants to eliminate two for some reason that they are the team.

yes but if it is no flip i would be very opposed to flipping both.

[team rocket queen]

I'm sad that you doubt my ability to rapidly generate (hopefully) high quality comedic content without needing to consider it first.
Most of my long monologues are typed out as the words come into my head. That's why there's a lot of spelling mistakes where I mistyped stuff.

So if I get your view it's something like
-Skitter30 asks Hopkirk to talk
-Hopkirk makes some posts responding to Skitter30
-Hopkirk, having responded to Skitter30, sounds as though he's still inviting Skitter30 to talk to him
This sound about right?

nonono, i mean preplanned as in, 'i am going to make a playerlist post', not prewritten. i quite enjoy your sense of humour. i was quite excited for the opportunity to play with you in matrix decipher, as hectic or bugspray could tell you, and that was part of my great disappointment in having to be replaced.

yes. like i assume that skitter will respond to my posts, and then if she is posting and i want to discuss with her in real time, i can just then respond to her posts. but it seemed like you were, as you say, inviting skitter to talk to you even though you had already responded to her and were waiting for her to respond.

[team rocket queen]

I really doubt there's a jester based on familiarity with Hectic.

Jessie's fear of jesters did make me go "wow this looks genuine" but after a beat I remembered that mafia can lose to third parties too.. which is why they are bad setup design. I don't know for sure that Hectic hates them to quite the same extent I do, but I am confident that if he put jesters in the setup it won't be particularly brutal and punishing to eliminate them.

I don't think defending someone who is at E2 is scummy, as I mentioned earlier with the example I used, overestimating an elim is mainly something that's a bad sign coming from the victim of the wagon

Pedit: I see some of the arguments that there could be jesters, and they're not terrible, but more important than whether it can be ruled out completely, I don't think Hectic would do a design where town figured out slots aren't town and then they got punished for eliminating those slots. I complained to him about conditionally elimination proof mafia roles before the game.

i don't think the jesters would necessarily end the game. especially not if it was a two person jester team.

you have more familiarity with hectic than i do however.

[team rocket queen]

If we're going on a team of 4 I'd say it's more likely to be yourself, TGP, Gypyx and Dunn.

Reasoning being TGP made a shoddy case on Dunn and defended Gypyx. You've come along and fully near derailed the wagon without providing much in the way of alternatives.

Who would be your alternatives today, bearing in mind we got like ...

The deadline is in 3 days, 13 hours, 40 minutes.

at time of posting ish.

? i still want to eliminate thegoldenparadox and am not trying to derail the wagon. that's like half of the day phase. i want to not eliminate gypyx if there are no flips. i am pretty sure that there thegoldenparadox isn't a solo jester, as that option does not make sense to me.

[team rocket queen]

i want to not eliminate gypyx if there are no flips.

like if we eliminate thegoldenparadox, cannot eliminate gypyx unless thegoldenparadox flips something that discredits this possibility.

[team rocket queen]

i just wanted someone to unvote in the time being because i was worried about gypyx/thegoldenparadox hammering thegoldenparadox, i hadn't thought the idea through yet,

[team rocket queen]

i remembered that gypyx had said the jester thing while i was running and i hurried to post while i was still putting it together

[team rocket queen]

then down the line trq was the Grand Fool all this time

i, uh, don't think i'd have much trouble getting myself eliminated

i managed to be eliminated in silent star 1 so

[team rocket queen]

Isis points out that mafia can be worried about losing to jesters too. Right. But jessie says she wasn’t worried about them ending the game. Jessie, what was worrying about the jester thing if it wouldn’t end the game?

this mostly:

i just wanted someone to unvote in the time being because i was worried about gypyx/thegoldenparadox hammering thegoldenparadox, i hadn't thought the idea through yet,

i just hadn't gotten there yet. like the oh it'd be unlikely for the jesters to end the game et cetera. i just remembered the gypyx jester thing and thought 'oh!!! that makes so much sense' and thought that thegoldenparadox/gypyx might hammer

[team rocket queen]

but ONLY setup speccing on d1 with literally no information on a game that is known to be complex and have twists and turns without a single read on a player in the game is terrible.

this reads very wolfy

VOTE: TGP

I think Jester paranoia in general is something more likely to come from scum than town

this feels kinda scummy

hm.

[team rocket queen]

but ONLY setup speccing on d1 with literally no information on a game that is known to be complex and have twists and turns without a single read on a player in the game is terrible.

this reads very wolfy

VOTE: TGP

I think Jester paranoia in general is something more likely to come from scum than town

this feels kinda scummy

hm.

hm. this still feels like a bit of an odd coincidence to me. both thegoldenparadox and dunnstral were saying they thought something i was doing was scummy in a general sense and pooky very quickly called them scummy for it.

[team rocket queen]

so uh does tgp talk about being vt/limbait like that knowing we’re all vt?

yeah okay so my townlist (aka never fucking eliminate them ever ever ever

unless there is a mechanical guilty on them and i doubt that happens

) is {gypyx, infinity}

Lolwut

i mean, it seems very likely to me that there is a twist of some sort, a la both of the first two silent star games, but yeah still weird

[team rocket queen]

Do u think it's odd in an associative sort of way? I.e. what do u think is odd abt it?

like a false associative way? like pooky is possibly trying to make me think that pooky is town

but could also be a coincidence

[team rocket queen]

Jessie, what do you currentl give the odds of there being something related to Golden/Gypx trying to die? I think that Golden and Gypyx's behaviour is really odd, but i don't think suicidal

hm. not particularly high, i guess, but still not dismissable. like i see the issue with the setup things too just the play still makes sense to me.

[team rocket queen]

Given that in theory EVERYONE LOSES to the jester, it could be either. Honestly, the overall reaction to the TGP wagon seems super questionable to me, convenient vote, convenient hop off, asking for unvotes and justifying with jester play...

Like I don't even need to draw the dot-to-dot for this line. I think TRQ knows something we don't. A double jester play is well weird considering the interactions between the two of them.

or jesters leave the game victoriously with noone losing et cetera et cetera. it feels like most of your suspicions with regards to me are just you scumreading my thought process/approach to the game because it is atypical, which is basically what hopkirk said, so, since you are a policy no meta player, idk

[team rocket queen]

hi morning tweet!

hello friends!

i am a vanilla town.

*sniffsniff*

this was a reference to multiple previous games, which themselves were references to other games.

blahblahblah mech.... more mech spec... vote update [which has been useful btw]

do you not think that vanilla towns and non-vanilla towns potentially react differently to setup speculation? i don't really get this

Spoiler: vote update

unofficial votecount

Isis

:

Flea The Magician

:

Ydrasse

:

Infinity 324

:

Gloria Cleary (1)

: Gypyx (27)

Morning Tweet

:

TheGoldenParadox (5)

: skitter30 (284), Dunnstral (530), Ydrasse (860), Flea The Magician (1150), PookyTheMagicalBear (1293)

PookyTheMagicalBear

:

skitter30 (4)

: Isis (876), Infinity 324 (1050), Hopkirk (1126), TheGoldenParadox (1225)

team rocket queen

:

Gypyx

:

Dunnstral

:

Hopkirk

:

not voting (3)

: Gloria Cleary, Morning Tweet (867), team rocket queen (904)

deadline

: (expired on 2020-11-29 09:11:15)

changelog

isis votes skitter (5)
morning tweet votes pooky (10)
hopkirk votes pooky (12)
gypyx votes gloria cleary (27)
isis votes pooky (41)
infinity votes dunnstral (46)
infinity votes isis (49)
flea votes hopkirk (58)
dunnstral votes hopkirk (84)
thegoldenparadox votes taylor (109)
isis votes infinity (180)
isis votes thegoldenparadox (180)
hopkirk votes gypyx (184)
infinity votes dunnstral (186)
skitter votes gloria cleary (243)
thegoldenparadox votes isis (277)
skitter votes thegoldenparadox (284)
morning tweet votes dunnstral (324)
flea unvotes (528)
dunnstral votes thegoldenparadox (530)
thegoldenparadox votes dunnstral (687)
hopkirk votes dunnstral (691)
isis votes skitter (693)
infinity votes skitter (718)
pooky votes thegoldenparadox (738)
jessie votes thegoldenparadox (832)
ydrasse votes thegoldenparadox (860)
morning tweet unvotes (867)
isis votes thegoldenparadox (876)
isis revotes skitter (876)
jessie unvotes (904)
flea votes thegoldenparadox (906)
infinity votes morning tweet (1041
hopkirk votes skitter (1126)
flea unvotes (1141)
pooky unvtoes (1145/1146)
flea votes thegoldenparadox (1150)
thegoldenparadox votes skitter (1225)
pooky votes thegoldenparadox (1293)

i am glad you appreciate them +) they are quite useful to me as well

[team rocket queen]

no # in the post tags. just [ post ] 123 [ / post ].

Wasn't clear at all where the response was going until Gloria asked for clarification, and for someone remarkably null, these are the posts Jessie deems her towniest. One is legit, one is... o.o

Then we're suddenly diving in to interrogations and honestly I can't work out who we're interrogating?
Gloria and Hoppy<3 VERSUS ???

oh wait...

UHmm.... OK I'm not sure now. We talking about interrogating skitter or Jessie? o.o

Kinda feels like jessie wants to be interrogated... Would explain stopping me from entering the ISOSPHERE at the time...

i wanted hopkirk to ask about the posts i chose. possibly in a pointed way. like, yes i wanted to be interrogated, that was what i was asking for there and also how i painted the scene. i think the way people try to get information from me, and even the way people react to me in general can be useful for sorting. like when you said a few things and then said to the isosphere and i asked you to talk, you reacted in a +town way to me, already having an idea of what information you wanted from me with regards to my play and also why it felt off to you,

[team rocket queen]

and first mention that I can see of a scum read on another player

why do you think i chose gypyx to talk to about the setup stuff? why do you think i engaged gloria the way i did early game? why do you think i engaged hopkirk specifically?

i don't see the benefit of anyone being at e-1. currently i am most suspicious of thegoldenparadox, gloria cleary, and hopkirk. but it's not like a static thing. why would i be confident now when even the person i think is the most likely to be mafia would still almost always be under 50%?

OK so less than 50% chance of a scum read, this bugged me at the time but other things came to mind... like is she reading everyone as town at this point or something ಸ_ಸ

? in a 13 player game, there is probably at most 4 non-town aligned players, so we're looking at 4/12 to start. to get from 33% to even 50% confidence in someone being mafia in this situation would be very very confident.

[team rocket queen]

? in a 13 player game, there is probably at most 4 non-town aligned players, so we're looking at 4/12 to start. to get from 33% to even 50% confidence in someone being mafia in this situation would be very very confident.

and that's ignoring that 3 is the more likely option vs. 4 if there are only two factions.

[team rocket queen]

VC on this page.

At time time, I assumed I'd missed something - like I'd noted it was irrelevant and I don't recall mentioning gypyx at all. I searched "gyp" in Jessies ISO looking for anything indicative of a read... there's nothing o.o

?????

Spoiler:

Why is gypyx town?

+1

@TGP

+3 if you count me and Isis.

isn't this:

Why think about recruiting specifically?

just like a super towny post? would rather here more about why gypyx isn't town from pooky

Why is 413 a townpost jessie?

whole quote for context:

"Like imo it's the opposite, if scum did pregame choices, it's more likely that jessie is scum"

What does this quote mean Gypyx?

If you get to recruit scumpartners pregame and you don't recruit Jesse you're throwing because she's excellent at scum!
I don't know how Gypyx knows this cause I've never seen them play but they must have played somewhere together, clearly.

Why think about recruiting specifically?

because it shows that gypyx was like following from step to step and it asks a very good question for someone unaware of silent star: menagerie

obviously i'm not an expert on silent star games and i haven't played one, but ONLY setup speccing on d1 with literally no information on a game that is known to be complex and have twists and turns without a single read on a player in the game is terrible.

i played in both of the first two. do for my posts what you did for gypyx. do you think i just randomly asked gypyx about the setup on page two? because i didn't. does the rest of my engagement feel random? or irrelevant?

because it shows that gypyx was like following from step to step and it asks a very good question for someone unaware of silent star: menagerie

i'm not sure this is 'town indicative' so much as 'asking a reasonable followup' indicative

but it wasn't really a followup.

pooky asks gypyx about a post > isis responds to pooky with a reference to silent star: menagerie > gypyx asks isis why she jumped to recruiting

pooky asks gypyx about a post > isis responds to pooky with a reference to silent star: menagerie > gypyx asks isis why she jumped to recruiting

maybe i'm just missing the whole thread of this convo but i'm not following your logic here

it feels like something town would jump on there but not mafia to me

[team rocket queen]

?????

there are more but i didn't want to quote the repeating myself

[team rocket queen]

Wrt skitter/hopkirk, I think she meant that skitter is likely town, but if she's scum she's likely a hopkirk partner.

yeah this

[team rocket queen]

blahblahblah mech.... more mech spec... vote update [which has been useful btw]

do you not think that vanilla towns and non-vanilla towns potentially react differently to setup speculation? i don't really get this

Curious why you've pulled this section to comment on.

i think maybe it is just frustration. like i like to think about and talk about setups, and i also think it is useful, and there are plenty of people in this game that can attest to my doing so having been useful in the past, so it is frustrating that you make it out to be pointless

[team rocket queen]

You seem to be getting frustrated with me a lot

Mech talk can be helpful, and there will definitely be a time when its useful.
for me, it's nothing really of note for me in building a read until we have more information, which is why I've dismissed it in building/confirming my read on you.

it isn't with you specifically, or really generally either. it is more frustration with myself for ending up in this situation repeatedly. i am sorry if it comes off the other way. it's just that, like once again here i want to explain why that time was at the beginning of the game. i simply do not understand why it wasn't useful then, but then i am just repeating myself et cetera. it makes sense to me but communicating that feels impossible

[team rocket queen]

VOTE: thegoldenparadox

If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2020-11-29 09:11:15).

[team rocket queen]

e-1

[team rocket queen]

~

[team rocket queen]

unofficial votecount

Isis

:

Flea The Magician

:

Ydrasse

:

Infinity 324

:

Gloria Cleary (1)

: Gypyx (27)

Morning Tweet

:

TheGoldenParadox (6)

: skitter30 (284), Dunnstral (530), Ydrasse (860), Flea The Magician (1150), Infinity 324 (1533), team rocket queen (1547)

PookyTheMagicalBear

:

skitter30

:

team rocket queen

:

Gypyx

:

Dunnstral (4)

: Isis (1402), PookyTheMagicalBear (1421), Hopkirk (1423), TheGoldenParadox (1458)

Hopkirk

:

not voting (2)

: Morning Tweet (867), Gloria Cleary (1466)

deadline

: (expired on 2020-11-29 09:11:15)

changelog

isis votes skitter (5)
morning tweet votes pooky (10)
hopkirk votes pooky (12)
gypyx votes gloria cleary (27)
isis votes pooky (41)
infinity votes dunnstral (46)
infinity votes isis (49)
flea votes hopkirk (58)
dunnstral votes hopkirk (84)
thegoldenparadox votes taylor (109)
isis votes infinity (180)
isis votes thegoldenparadox (180)
hopkirk votes gypyx (184)
infinity votes dunnstral (186)
skitter votes gloria cleary (243)
thegoldenparadox votes isis (277)
skitter votes thegoldenparadox (284)
morning tweet votes dunnstral (324)
flea unvotes (528)
dunnstral votes thegoldenparadox (530)
thegoldenparadox votes dunnstral (687)
hopkirk votes dunnstral (691)
isis votes skitter (693)
infinity votes skitter (718)
pooky votes thegoldenparadox (738)
jessie votes thegoldenparadox (832)
ydrasse votes thegoldenparadox (860)
morning tweet unvotes (867)
isis votes thegoldenparadox (876)
isis revotes skitter (876)
jessie unvotes (904)
flea votes thegoldenparadox (906)
infinity votes morning tweet (1041
hopkirk votes skitter (1126)
flea unvotes (1141)
pooky unvtoes (1145/1146)
flea votes thegoldenparadox (1150)
thegoldenparadox votes skitter (1225)
pooky votes thegoldenparadox (1293)
infinity unvotes (1369)
infinity votes dunnstral (1397)
isis votes dunnstral (1402)
pooky votes dunnstral (1421)
hopkirk votes dunnstral (1423)
gloria cleary votes thegoldenparadox (1434)
gloria cleary unvotes (1466)
infinity unvotes (1503)
infinity votes thegoldenparadox (1533)
team rocket queen votes thegoldenparadox (1547)

[team rocket queen]

^Also TGP voted me in 1458

thankyou. i had it in the votecount itself but forgot to add it to the changelog.

[team rocket queen]

me

did you refer to isis as 'sweaty' because of the way she spelled your name?

[team rocket queen]

unofficial first launch final votecount

Spoiler:

unofficial votecount

Isis

:

Flea The Magician

:

Ydrasse

:

Infinity 324

:

Gloria Cleary (1)

: Gypyx (27)

Morning Tweet

:

TheGoldenParadox (7)

: skitter30 (284), Dunnstral (530), Flea The Magician (1150), Infinity 324 (1533), team rocket queen (1547), PookyTheMagicalBear (1568), Ydrasse (1569)

PookyTheMagicalBear

:

skitter30

:

team rocket queen

:

Gypyx

:

Dunnstral (3)

: Isis (1402), Hopkirk (1423), TheGoldenParadox (1458)

Hopkirk

:

not voting (2)

: Morning Tweet (867), Gloria Cleary (1466)

time to deadline

: approximately 0 days, 6 hours, 22 minutes

changelog

isis votes skitter (5)
morning tweet votes pooky (10)
hopkirk votes pooky (12)
gypyx votes gloria cleary (27)
isis votes pooky (41)
infinity votes dunnstral (46)
infinity votes isis (49)
flea votes hopkirk (58)
dunnstral votes hopkirk (84)
thegoldenparadox votes taylor (109)
isis votes infinity (180)
isis votes thegoldenparadox (180)
hopkirk votes gypyx (184)
infinity votes dunnstral (186)
skitter votes gloria cleary (243)
thegoldenparadox votes isis (277)
skitter votes thegoldenparadox (284)
morning tweet votes dunnstral (324)
flea unvotes (528)
dunnstral votes thegoldenparadox (530)
thegoldenparadox votes dunnstral (687)
hopkirk votes dunnstral (691)
isis votes skitter (693)
infinity votes skitter (718)
pooky votes thegoldenparadox (738)
jessie votes thegoldenparadox (832)
ydrasse votes thegoldenparadox (860)
morning tweet unvotes (867)
isis votes thegoldenparadox (876)
isis revotes skitter (876)
jessie unvotes (904)
flea votes thegoldenparadox (906)
infinity votes morning tweet (1041
hopkirk votes skitter (1126)
flea unvotes (1141)
pooky unvtoes (1145/1146)
flea votes thegoldenparadox (1150)
thegoldenparadox votes skitter (1225)
pooky votes thegoldenparadox (1293)
infinity unvotes (1369)
infinity votes dunnstral (1397)
isis votes dunnstral (1402)
pooky votes dunnstral (1421)
hopkirk votes dunnstral (1423)
gloria cleary votes thegoldenparadox (1434)
thegoldenparadox votes dunnstral (1458)
gloria cleary unvotes (1466)
infinity unvotes (1503)
infinity votes thegoldenparadox (1533)
jessie votes thegoldenparadox (1547)
ydrasse unvotes (1567)
pooky votes thegoldenparadox (1568)
ydrasse votes thegoldenparadox (1569)

[team rocket queen]

The probability of a given set of 4 people currently alive having at least 1 scum (assuming 3 scum total) is about 75%. If dunn is scum, scum are just as likely to vote dunn or TGP since it doesn’t matter to them who gets limmed. If dunn is scum, scum would almost never vote dunn. Since 4 people excluding myself voted dunn, that group is likely to have at least 1 scum, so dunn is likely town.

i do not think this makes a lot of sense, but i do think dunnstral is +town

I think we’re talking past each other so let’s work through this.

We have 4 possibilities:
There was at least 1 scum on dunn and dunn is scum: we both agree this is unlikely
There was at least 1 scum on dunn and dunn is town: I think this is the most likely scenario
There was no scum on dunn and dunn is scum: you think this is the most likely scenario, but I’m not convinced; it requires 4 players other than me to all be town, which is unlikely just by probability
There was no scum on dunn and dunn is town: also a possibility but unlikely by probability

do not think this makes a lot of sense either

[team rocket queen]

I really don't get why TGP thought there was ways to get mechanical guilties or thinks there's some weird PR for town because of the "All town are vt!"

i do not really understand why you continue to say things like this when you are aware that it is likely the game will change in large way. like it feels like you're trying to give the impression you think we're playing an all-vanilla double-day game even though you know that we are not.

[team rocket queen]

Hopkirk be awol, jessie has gone, Ydrasse nowhere to be seen, gypyx is on their own personal island and skitter be skittish....

any opinions about any of this? i feel like you know where i was, so

[team rocket queen]

All town are vanilla, I know nothing about silent star except something weird happens.

Are mid game role changes a thing?

And yes, for now I'm on vanilla double day because frankly I've no other information to go off. If TGP flipped red then we know something funky was definitely going to happen. They flipped green.

Endless spec talk isn't going to get us anywhere at this point.


pedit: I know we were in a game together, Ydrasse has been disengaged, gypyx has been sporadic, skitter posts in chunks and I miss hoppy </3

was there a reason you asked me about the setups to the first two silent star games earlier then? like i explained that in the first the big twist was that the werewolves were actually the town of lunacy and that in menagerie after the post restricted phases and the first elimination we cut to a two treestump three lover-pairs situation even though in that game all we knew of at the beginning was post-restricted vanilla,

[team rocket queen]

I know nothing about silent star except something weird happens.

like, you know this, and you asked me about the setups earlier, but still you're saying 'can't possibly think of why thegoldenparadox might think there is the possibility of mechanical guilties!' it just seems like it doesn't really add up to me

[team rocket queen]

but still you're saying 'can't possibly think of why thegoldenparadox might think there is the possibility of mechanical guilties!'

even after they flipped

[team rocket queen]

Curiosity. At no point did you mention all town were vanilla town in either game that I recall. If you did I missed it


pedit: Launching cops into a game like this seems weird to me. Looking at the theme.

ppedit: preflip, it was potential scum info. Post flip, they were town, it couldn't be.

in the first the town were not vanilla, we were werewolves and thought we were on two-person scumteams. in the second we were vanilla until we weren't.

does a public cop also seem out of the realm of possibility to you?

it just feels kinda agenda based when you are saying 'dunno why they thought this was a possibility' after they flip even though you also have reason to suspect it might be possible

like either to enforce the 'oh i was so sure of that too' or to enforce the 'i think we are playing vanilla doubleday' perception

[team rocket queen]

Correct me if i'm wrong, 1 was Lunacy and 2 was menagerie?

yes

Royalty, nothing yet. Looking at flavour, we're more olde times than modern times.
Doc: Probably a plague style doc, CPR maybe?
Trackers and Watchers are a possibility
Guards are likely bodyguards or docs mechanically

Cops wouldn't really fit well in the flavour we have so far. i'll go back over it though and have a look.

trackers can also give mechanical guilties. and it seems pretty easy to flavour a public cop check to any setting really. like this happens and these players alignments are revealed or we vote for it like happened in one of the mystery boxes.

1 thing you might not know about silent star 2 is that hectic lied to me in my mafia role PM and told me I had a factional nightkill when it was not true.

i in fact did not know this. our good friend 'there might be other bastard elements'

[team rocket queen]

Was there a message saying all town had recieved a vanilla pm?

from silent star: menagerie:

this game is confirmed to be all vanilla in terms of power.

[team rocket queen]

I didn't see that bit you quoted, so then I would assume that vanilla in terms of power means there's no outward abilities, such as cops or docs but potentially linked abilities or something that trades something for something else. for example the bodyguard role which dies when the target is killed.

I don't feel there's any way for a mechanical guilty to happen at all having seen that.

i think it means that there is no player given the role 'cop' but there is still plenty of ways for there to be a mechanical guilty. there were mechanical innocents in that game i really don't see how you are ruling out the possibility of mechanical guilties here.

[team rocket queen]

Vanilla in terms of power.

treestump is conf but cant vote.
Lover pairs, what was the configuration for that? TT, SS or was ST an option? Either way, it balanced.

Meanwhile this is all town have a vanilla PM.

right so why can't there be a triggered event like in silent star ii? or why can't there be a vote to public cop like in whichever mystery box that was? i feel like you're continuing to interpret what i am saying as 'someone has the role pm cop' when i am not.

[team rocket queen]

Only other thing that comes to mind is the "all pts have daytalk"

Multiple groups of baddies? How would numbers work there? 2/2/7?

probably. this seems kinda unlikely to me because we talked so much about it in lunacy due to dunnstral no killing and me misinterpreting that

[team rocket queen]

um idk if i should like, say this just bc i don’t see the use in talking about setup spec/etc right now but dwelling on it feels a little like. out of place when we have other things to be analyzing :<

okay talk to me about those things. what would you like me to analyze?

[team rocket queen]

hopkirk i am contemplating voting for u, btw when u get back

and?
like what's the point of this post even

you drawing attention to this makes me kinda want to unnote it

[team rocket queen]

you drawing attention to this makes me kinda want to unnote it

at least in the way which i had noted it, which was, hmmmmm more strangeness between these slots

[team rocket queen]

maybe it’s just because my thought process is the last game went wild and this one most likely will too and like, in the absence of knowing how it makes more sense just to scumhunt??

This is kinda what I'm worried about. Jessie seems more keen on setup spec than on anything else :/

it just feels kinda agenda based when you are saying 'dunno why they thought this was a possibility' after they flip even though you also have reason to suspect it might be possible

like either to enforce the 'oh i was so sure of that too' or to enforce the 'i think we are playing vanilla doubleday' perception

[team rocket queen]

i'm kind of tired or in a slightly different headspace rigt now and i don't really follow you jessie can you rephrase that or something

like it felt like another example of communication between you and skitter which felt out of place to me, but you saying, 'and what of it? why are you making this post' seems more along the lines of how i was thinking about it

[team rocket queen]

I'm getting a bad vibe from Jessie

it feels more like you're getting a bad vibe from me because you want to get a bad vibe from me to me

[team rocket queen]

I really don't, that's the thing. At least not based on this.

I don't want to read you based on the persistence of wanting to speculate on the setup. But it feels like you know something and you're hiding it at this point.

I want to be able to read you based on interactions outside of setup spec which are practically none.

You're Gypyx read still doesn't look like a read to me despite it being pointed by yourself and Infinity. Even that's surrounded by setup spec.

you insisting that you don't understand why thegoldenparadox might say unless there is a mechanical guilty even after they have flipped and me having a read on you based on that is not me speculating on the setup.

it feels like you are misrepresenting what i am doing intentionally, in addition to me not understanding why you would bring up thegoldenparadox thing outside of having an agenda.

[team rocket queen]

"All town are vanilla."

This is stated clearly in the setup posts.

There is no room for a mechanical guilty. this has massively confused me. don't know if you've noticed, I kinda just throw what ever is on my mind in my posts. I'm attempting to work it out and justify it, it makes no sense. ଵ˛̼ଵ

what precludes the phase after this one from being, 'town votes to public cop' instead of eliminate? does that not potentially produce a mechanical guilty? does that seem impossible? i get that i am difficult to communicate with, i do, but also it feels like you are not trying to understand what i'm saying.

What's my motivation here? there's nobody going against you here except me. What is my goal in all of this?

to enforce the appearance that you think we are playing vanilla doubleday or to enforce the perception that you were sure thegoldenparadox was mafia based on that, as i said here:

like either to enforce the 'oh i was so sure of that too' or to enforce the 'i think we are playing vanilla doubleday' perception

[team rocket queen]

I don't want to read you based on the persistence of wanting to speculate on the setup. But it feels like you know something and you're hiding it at this point.

also, how am i hiding it? by "wanting to speculate on the setup"?

[team rocket queen]

You're locked on to the mechanical guilty far too much, and i'm sure you locked onto something else last time we spoke too.

i am aware that i do this as i said earlier this game:

because i am aware that things sometimes get stuck in my mind.

this very thing has led to me catching mafia numerous times, but it has also led to me 'catching' town, so that's why i ask for help filtering:

isis mentioned ame recently and they are one of my favourite players because they are willing to spend the time to try to see things the way i am and then say, 'jessie i don't think this one makes sense' or 'you might be on to something here' and they like, help me be useful. i get that that's like a big burden for someone, so maybe all of town can share it here.

[team rocket queen]

unofficial votecount

Isis

:

Flea The Magician

:

Ydrasse

:

Infinity 324

:

Gloria Cleary

:

Morning Tweet

:

PookyTheMagicalBear (1)

: Dunnstral (1597)

skitter30

:

team rocket queen

:

Gypyx

:

Dunnstral (1)

: Hopkirk (1715)

Hopkirk (1)

: skitter30 (1747)

not voting (9)

: Isis, Flea The Magician, Ydrasse, Gloria Cleary, Morning Tweet, PookyTheMagicalBear, team rocket queen, Gypyx, Infinity 324 (1735)

deadline

: (expired on 2020-12-07 15:06:18)

changelog

dunnstral votes pooky (1597)
skitter votes isis (1614)
infinity votes pooky (1627)
hopkirk votes dunnstral (1715)
infinity unvotes (1735)
skitter votes hopkirk (1747)

[team rocket queen]

I have a different paranoia where I remember how many times Hectic has joked to me about running all VT games lol

Is it too early to start seriously worrying about this?

i don't think that there would be plurality if this was the case. if you're going to send thirteen vanilla town pms i think you at least give town the option to not eliminate.

[team rocket queen]

hammer to be safe:
VOTE: hectic

[team rocket queen]

Can't we vote no lim?

i believe this is something that would generally be mentioned in the rules if so, which it is not, but i will do so to see. however, i don't think anyone else should because this one would definitely be reflected in the vote count if possible.

VOTE: no launch

[team rocket queen]

The other question if this is the case, for those more experienced than I, would we benefit from this at all?

i think it's mostly only beneficial here if everyone is a vanilla town. which seems very unlikely to me, so, i don't think so.

[team rocket queen]

I didn't see that bit you quoted, so then I would assume that vanilla in terms of power means there's no outward abilities, such as cops or docs but potentially linked abilities or something that trades something for something else. for example the bodyguard role which dies when the target is killed.

I don't feel there's any way for a mechanical guilty to happen at all having seen that.

i think it means that there is no player given the role 'cop' but there is still plenty of ways for there to be a mechanical guilty. there were mechanical innocents in that game i really don't see how you are ruling out the possibility of mechanical guilties here.

You're right that nothing keeps a game with surprise midgame events from having mechanical guilties.
It probably doesn't have mechanical guilties though, because this was posted not too long before or after this game was designed

100% agree. I also dislike the use of regular cops, I don't think it's particularly rewarding when scum is caught with an inescapable guilty.

I think mechanical innocents are likely to make a comeback though.

i was thinking along the lines of a more complicated version of the mafia decisions made post first elimination in menagerie due to there probably being an additional member of the mafia. not too dissimilar to the mafia decisions made in gacha mafia, either, though triggered differently here of course.

mechanical innocents seem more likely to me as well, of course. i don't know if i would expect flea to expect thegoldenparadox to consider this, though.

[team rocket queen]

we need unanimous vote on hectic to over-come his faulty votecounter

there's no way this would be required. safe to return to our regularly scheduled programming.

[team rocket queen]

the solution almost certainly wouldn't be 'unanimous votes' or 'vote a different mod' - hectic was hammered and my no elimination vote will be reflected in the vote count if that is possible.

i mean we should do the full unanimous vote on hectic first to test that.

then start voting out the co-mods.

let's get it wrapped up so we can go back to playing the game if we're wrong.

Hectics been hammered, if this doesn't work we need to speedwagon the comods!

like this is ??? at best.

[team rocket queen]

It is also known as "a joke." and "Having fun".

is pooky's post also suggesting the same thing a joke? and if so, why are you both seemingly still waiting for this to resolve?

[team rocket queen]

i think the sooner we test killing the moderation team and making sure it doesnt work the sooner we can go back to hunting bad guys in case there are bad guys

we need unanimous vote on hectic to over-come his faulty votecounter

like pooky seems intent on this and we still have not returned to "hunting bad guys" despite your and ydrasse's earlier objections to the manner in which i was scumhunting you both seem more than content with this??

[team rocket queen]

its interesting to read the reactions of each player to a truly insane and absurd idea

i certainly understand the value of this - it is the 'and the game cannot continue otherwise!!' part of it that seems ...

[team rocket queen]

i certainly understand the value of this - it is the 'and the game cannot continue otherwise!!' part of it that seems ...

like you saying, we must do this before we can continue! is actually you stopping the continuing not the people who aren't doing the thing

[team rocket queen]

i dont think im so big I can block an entire 12 player game from proceeding because I'm muttering the corner about hectic trying to murder us.

the results suggest differently, and you are magical afterall