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[SirCakez]

Noraaaaaaaaaa I'm sad you're scum here

[SirCakez]

Noraaaaaaaaaa I'm sad you're scum here

[SirCakez]

Noraaaaaaaaaa I'm sad you're scum here

I'm not so you should be happy.

I don't believe you

[SirCakez]

Reck is scum
Change my mind

[SirCakez]

Reck is scum
Change my mind

I'm listening

I said change my mind not I change your mind lol

[SirCakez]

VOTE: gamma

[SirCakez]

I changed my mind. Vp, I found an even cozier wagon.

VOTE: Gamma

scum bussing

[SirCakez]

Cakez is scum

thank you

If gamma flips scum, tomorrow, cake you are fucking dying and I'm gonna make it happen.

like you could make that happen

[SirCakez]

legitimately I think Gamma is scum here his OMGUS is not characteristic of his town play

[SirCakez]

Lilith feels like she’s promoting TTvTT conflict

oooh page 1 challenge? I’m here for it

one of the worst takes I've seen in a game of mafia

[SirCakez]

gamma is way too full of crap this game to be town

[SirCakez]

Tinfoiling notsci town

[SirCakez]

oh god not this

[SirCakez]

reck you keep complaining but this game is moving at a pretty ok pace?

[SirCakez]

not seeing a reason to move my gamma vote here

[SirCakez]

noraa what happened to your super duper scumread on me?

[SirCakez]

If gamma flips scum, tomorrow, cake you are fucking dying and I'm gonna make it happen.

Lim Cakez after I die pls

flip red and ur wish will be granted.

like you could make that happen

if gamma is scum, ur 90% a buddy.

and I WILL MAKE IT HAPPEN

You WILL die if you are bussing ur buddy gamma rn.

[SirCakez]

You said things that I found very offensive in Betrayal and? mini 2170. You said things that read to me like "Noraa is a crappy player"
No shit I was offended.

I don't think I said you were a bad PLAYER, at least in betrayal. I said your PLAY looked bad, yes. And in mini 2170, while I may have said that, I also said I believed you could improve.

Great ok. Thats where I started disliking your play.
I'm not engaging you anymore cuz I see this as you trying hard to 1v1 me knowing that I almost always succeed to be day 1 limbait.

I'm NOT trying to 1v1 you, I think you're town for fuck's sake!
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Whatever, I'll just do this so you can figure out sooner that I'm not scum and I'm actually fucking genuine here.

I would like to request y'all don't hammer me while I'm offline
I want the chance to read everything I can before I die

scum AtE

The only compromise I'm willing to take today is Pooky.

Everything Gamma does is scummy in my eyes but I certainly have bias and am salty about many things he decided to say.

The only compromise is Pooky who I see as a most likely town but extremely antitown player. I can see many ways where he can fuck town up by instachallenging every day regardless of his actual alignment.

a PL really?

I was joking earlier but Reck might actually be scum here
The more I think about it the more I dislike him complaining about non-existent spam, seems like an excuse for him to not play

[SirCakez]

I skimmed most of the last five pages too much bullshit not enough scumhunting

[SirCakez]

non-existent spam

I agree with your general point that complaining about spam is unhelpful, but it certainly exists in this game....you did call the last five pages bullshit (which I mostly agree with).

Can you explain the difference ?

I took Reck's definition of spam to be hyperposting for no reason
i think the last few pages were dumb but they had their purpose and it's not exactly a fast moving game anyways

[SirCakez]

What is the Baltar scum case

[SirCakez]

Because he's scum

[SirCakez]

agar is a player in this game?

[SirCakez]

Can we not with the whole "the 4 who are eligible for yeeting are dipping out of the thread" thing? Again, y'all can be present and interact and, y'know, help us figure out who's where without just shitting up the thread.

kinda scummy post

[SirCakez]

Kinda want to sheep the UT case on Noraa
I don't have anything else to add here

[SirCakez]

This challenge thing is really frustrating me because I feel like it's making it hard to scumhunt outside the given pool

[SirCakez]

What part?

[SirCakez]

Cake why am I scum? You don't seem to have a reason.

i'm not really SRing you very strongly. UT had a decent case for you being scum.

[SirCakez]

the thing that worries me w/Noraa is I'm pretty sure all of the AtE you're calling out she would be doing regardless of alignment
@Starbuck

[SirCakez]

So why are you calling Reck being scum when he isn't wrong?

Oh good, Baltar called you out in the moment in 368 and your 384 really does nothing for me. I don't think it's alignment indicative, but if you were in my shoes right now (falling further behind because more pages keep getting added), you'd get it.

I'm looking at this in the context of other games I've played recently which went BLAZING (like Betrayal) and this is really nothing in comparison

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

If I don't act high and mighty with confidence in games where I'm heavily SRed, I fucking always die a day 1 lim. Is that hard to understand or something?

Keep attacking my play. It doesn't make you look any less scummy here.

UR not even talking logic anymore. Ur just attacking my inexperience.

Mafiasunny, I had to solo carry a scum team. Ofc I have to discredit you.
Xenoblade, likewise I was scum and also I did not bite back at you. If I remember correctly I didn't ever SR you that game at all.
Student Council, I thought you were scum from time to time but I compromise with my hydra buddy.
Haunted village and Betrayal, according to you, I was ok.
Donner Party, you were scummy asf so ofc I tunneled.

Your telling me that if I SR you, I'm being mean and unreasonable.
If I think ur scum, I'm mean and unreasonable.
As long as you TR me, I have to do the same back?
wtf gamma.

The above post is both of our cues to shut the fuck up about this. Got it?
I will shut up about it.
And you will shut up too.

Just take the fucking townread goddamn it!!!!!!

You bitch and moan about how I read you wrong and yet when I townread you you attack me. And I find it ridiculous you think I can’t find you obvtown when you yourself boast about your towniness at every turn. You’re not genuinely interacting with me, you’re being contrarian!!!!!!!!

It started because gamma said these two ^
and I got upsetti spaghetti

a quick skim of Noraa's ISO gives me all of these quotes which are obviously AtE so her claiming she is not AtEing is just ridiculous

[SirCakez]

Here's my biggest problem with hyperposting, and especially hyperposting when there's literally no content to comment on: it's almost impossible to nail a person down on anything and the vast majority of their posts are going to be like this, where it's either repeating something they've already said or just baselessly throwing takes around. they make a bad post and then you point it out and they bury you in a bunch of bullshit and it's hard to engage with or analyze any one post because there's so many, they tend to be contradictory, and the person posting just keeps making new ones that they say explain everything but are just as bad.

"pooky's play doesn't make sense as scum" why? this is not explored or explicated. it's just stated as fact.
"it's a very anti-town play" why is it anti-town? why is it anti-town but not pro-scum? again, this is not explored or explicated. it's in contradiction to the sentence immediately preceding it, but then right after noraa say "regardless, probs not scum". why? who knows. I shouldn't need a decoder ring and five special pirate maps to puzzle out what someone is thinking in a game that's primarily based on arguing. if your reads are unclear and mysterious, it's probably because they're bad or fake.

now look, I don't really care if later on, noraa has explained this post if pushed on it because explaining bad posts is part of being scum. See what I did in that sentence? I said something was scummy, said why something was scummy, and gave a reason why a mitigating factor doesn't change my read. It's really not that hard to do when your reads are based on something other than a need to push a misyeet or not get yeeted.

anyway vote noraa

Who else has some takes

I agree with UT's logic here
a lot of Noraa's defensiveness doesn't make sense
for example her claim she isn't AtEing like I just pointed out

[SirCakez]

Your meta on me doesn't make any sense lol

[SirCakez]

?????? since when
I always try to talk to people accusing me

[SirCakez]

There was only Noraa soul read that was wrong. It was on Datisi.

Then again .... I got lolhammered in that game by town as a RBer so the game was clearly cursed :3

How can you say you are reliable then when you are literally admitting it's been wrong before

[SirCakez]

I can think about voting vp today in return for a cake yeet tomorrow. Your other condition I will not accept cuz if he flips green like I think he will, 1) im not gonna get my preferred lim today and 2) im not gonna get my other one tomorrow.

so your scum case is OMGUS and bad meta and you're this certain? we only have like one and a half games finished together...

nobody has told me the case for scum Baltar

[SirCakez]

Cake is scum and I firmly believe in this. It's my strongest SR in this game.

Gamma/Notsci both scummy asf

I get it my post was scummy. Fair enough and I don't know what to say cuz it was certainly scummy.

why have I been on Gamma all day then?

[SirCakez]

Cake is scum and I firmly believe in this. It's my strongest SR in this game.

Gamma/Notsci both scummy asf

I get it my post was scummy. Fair enough and I don't know what to say cuz it was certainly scummy.

why have I been on Gamma all day then?

The more you try to convince me, the more im certain ur scum.

Town!cake does not react to a SR the way you are doing it rn. Town!Cake is the scummiest player on the surface of the planet(this is exaggerated to help push my point). Town!Cake doesn't talk logic. Doesn't talk anything except what he thinks.

This is not town!cake.

this is just bullshit
quote or refer to ANY evidence of this

I wouldn't word it the same but I agree with the vibe of how Noraa is perceiving Cakez
I won't call myself good at reading Cakez but he has patterns of behavior I'm not sure he's entirely aware of and able to control yet.

omg Cabd said this too and it's driving me nuts

[SirCakez]

you're not cabd sadly

[SirCakez]

.. don't really get the scumreads on cakes. Is noraa calling him scum because he's not scummy enough? What is this logic?

this reminds me that lilith has felt weirdly absent this game? which would normally be a bad sign for me but I'm not how much of this is IRL stuff

Saying stupid things isn't exactly AI for me.
Being defensive isn't AI for me.
Being scummy is however.
I never die day 1 as scum. Not once.
Half my town games however end on day 1 for me.

you die day 2 as scum tho :>)

[SirCakez]

i'm not sure if Noraa is scum but if she wants to play antitown I'll help yeet her

[SirCakez]

i'm not sure if Noraa is scum but if she wants to play antitown I'll help yeet her

Why don't you support the pooky wagon then?

Ur just trying to justify a vote on me here.

Ur scum.

because I think Pooky is town and I also don't think he will pull this insta challenge again

[SirCakez]

Has anyone ever seen Notsci push two PLs?
My SR there stands
Notsci/Cake/___/___

i also believe you may be right about notsci

.. don't really get the scumreads on cakes. Is noraa calling him scum because he's not scummy enough? What is this logic?

this reminds me that lilith has felt weirdly absent this game? which would normally be a bad sign for me but I'm not how much of this is IRL stuff

Can you explain what you mean by absent? Is this similar to the comment you made about me in zoey’s? (And like yes clearly I haven’t posted much and explained why)

like I feel you aren't affecting the gamestate much any way

Yeah Lilith I think cake is scum for not being scummy enough.

A shit ton of players on this site play more scummy as town and more towny as scum. Cake is one of them.

The fact that no one SRs him except me when we're already on page 28 is a huge red flag. I've basically only seen Cake die day 1 as town.

Actually Cakez dies more D1 as scum, by personal experience, but that's potentially because people just honed in on him well those games. But Cakez gives a sorta lhf wrong-place-wrong-time vibe as town, and it's not present here. Cakez does frequently get miselimmed as town, but it's later into the game than D1.

I die a lot d1 regardless of alignment lmfao

i'm not sure if Noraa is scum but if she wants to play antitown I'll help yeet her

Why are you sure lilith is town?

I didn't say that?

Noraa's push on me is so bad regardless of alignment here and everything she posts feels manufactured

[SirCakez]

baltar is just not scummy and I won't accept an elim there
no one has been able to explain to me why he is scummy

[SirCakez]

I didn't say that?

Noraa's push on me is so bad regardless of alignment here and everything she posts feels manufactured

what makes you sure the challenge wouldn't benefit town, then?

I don't understand the connection between what you quoted and what you said

Notice Notsci and Cake avoiding my wagon like the plague.

Cake/Notsci both scum anyways.

If I truly am wrong somehow in these reads, I still am 100% sure {Cake, Notsci} contains at least 1 scum.

you're so confibiased it's unreal
maybe instead of doing mental gymnastics to somehow confirm to yourself that I'm scum why not just look at the obvious and realize I'm not voting you because I'm not scum and I'm not scumreading you

Notsci is scum
Cake is scum
im damn near certain I solved half the game.

how can you be this certain in your reads

VOTE: pooky
if we're not doing VP then I guess I'll do this.

I don't live this post

I concur

[SirCakez]

But I don't have that much conviction on you being scum VP. I just think you're the most likely out of the 4. But if we're not doing you I'd rather do pooky who I'm not strongly town on

this is scummy fencesitting
Gamma will elim anyone b/c they're all town

Am I allowed to vote no elim

Well this is a very forced town slip :/

again you're doing ridiculous things to fit your own bias when this literally means nothing other than notsci didn't read the rules

more and more I am thinking AGar is scum here. he just fits perfectly into the slot of "scum trying not to shake the boat because a bunch of townies are on the table"
I feel decently sure VP, Noraa and Pooky are all town
fits with what Gamma just posted

[SirCakez]

at what point for you does the preponderance of weird/bad posts become scummy?

when I see actual scum motivation and not just Noraa's typical AtE biased flail

[SirCakez]

like if Noraa is scum here she's playing suicidal and it doesn't make any sense

[SirCakez]

you're so confibiased it's unreal
maybe instead of doing mental gymnastics to somehow confirm to yourself that I'm scum why not just look at the obvious and realize I'm not voting you because I'm not scum and I'm not scumreading you

Town!cake doesn't act this calm and composed. It just doesn't happen.

I am not a meta expert but when someone is far out of their town range, I can see it.

when I'm not being fuckwagoned to elim on day 1 then yeah I don't get pissy lol

[SirCakez]

No no. Cake is scum. Clear as day.

He doesn't talk logic to me if he's town. He just tunnels me if he's town. This calmness is just not town!cake and I won't believe otherwise.

Quote ANY evidence of this from any other game for me please

[SirCakez]

Ok and there is a large difference between Betrayal and this game

[SirCakez]

Your one game of (bad) evidence is making you 100% sure I'm scum?

[SirCakez]

Ok well that's terrible lol

[SirCakez]

I'm not accusing you of anything UT I think your push is justified

[SirCakez]

Of the four, I find Gamma's sustained behavior most likely to come from scum

okay but I don't think it's gonna happen

isn't it wild how some of the people actually up for yeeting today want us to spend all of our time talking about people we can't yeet, our reads on whom will depend on today's flip?

really make u think

but gamma is in the pool?

[SirCakez]

I don't understand the connection between what you quoted and what you said

You reacted to Noraa potentially challenging you by calling it “anti town”
If Lilith ends up flipping scum from that would that not actually be pro town iyo?

ok but an insta challenge just immediately limits our elim options for the day

Starbuck what do you think about notsci individual from Noraa interactions?

[SirCakez]

I do think there are others who are contributing less than he has, but for right now, I'm pretty okay with him.

who else are you looking at here?

[SirCakez]

I’ve been unimpressed with both members of the Cakez team.

then do something about it

I do think there are others who are contributing less than he has, but for right now, I'm pretty okay with him.

who else are you looking at here?

Lilith, Reck, and basically everyone in the 2nd half of the activity overview aside from the mod.

It's not because I think they are scum. I'm null on a good chunk of that side of the overview because they are being overshadowed by people who just want to hear themselves talk.

i think we are having a similar mindset here
i feel most scum in are in the less active players

[SirCakez]

You say that but have pushed me and Noraa as scum
Do you think it’s one of us as the most active scum? In which case what do you think the game plan for scum is because I’m wondering how you rationalize that with our play
PEdit: @Cakez

where have I pushed Noraa as scum anywhere????

[SirCakez]

What do you expect me to do Cakez, vote you?

The scumreads on me are weak and lame tbh, but I digress.

idk something that is not waffling and blahing

UT, who do you think scum!Noraa is being bussed by?

I'm honestly not sure. Cakez, AGar, and Pooky are behaving the way I would expect scum to in a normal game, which is to say casting shade at Noraa without actually committing to the vote. I kind of think scum is largely standing around twiddling their thumbs waiting for other people to do things. I don't understand how she didn't get hammered at L-1 regardless of her alignment, which leads me to believe that scum has 2-3 people that misunderstands how the town is going to react to whatever the flip is. I'm not gonna list who my personal read on who that would be since it would just come off as insulting.

I guess basically what I'm saying is I'm still kind of baffled by the fact that the yeet didn't hammered because that throws of my perception of who scum could be in this pool because they're playing in a way I don't know how to analyze yet

I said 1000000 times that I am not SRing Noraa but her push on me is terrible and I cannot ignore that

Cakez scumreading Noraa:

Noraaaaaaaaaa I'm sad you're scum here

Noraaaaaaaaaa I'm sad you're scum here

Noraaaaaaaaaa I'm sad you're scum here

I'm not so you should be happy.

I don't believe you

Kinda want to sheep the UT case on Noraa
I don't have anything else to add here

Honestly I thought there was more but really he’s just been saying she’s bad regardless of alignment which is an even shittier take

wow 3 posts from the first 2 pages and me saying UT's case was decent?

1. Gamma
2. Pooky
3. noraa
4. VP

[SirCakez]

i agree we just need a flip here so I will grudgingly vote whatever consensus is if not Gamma

[SirCakez]

What do you want me to do, ignore it?

[SirCakez]

lilith and I's PT is dead fyi
but I am trying to fix that!

[SirCakez]

Noraa (7) : Untrod Tripod, Starbuck, The Bulge, xRECKONERx, VP Baltar, Lilith2013

I'd like to elim in this today I think Noraa's wagon was scum infested and taking advantage of her known predisposition to get emotional
not liking Reck, The Bulge, or Lilith from this
I also still think Gamma and AGar are scum

[SirCakez]

I would be okay challenging Blue Barracudas actually so we can get AGar in the spotlight I think he's one of the scummiest players and has been coasting all game

[SirCakez]

Gamma/Noraa was so fucking dumb

[SirCakez]

i'm not challenging anyone rn this thread needs to breathe now that we're finally out of that bs

[SirCakez]

I am not sure how to read Bulge fyi
I misfired badly reading him in Smoke Filled Antechamber

[SirCakez]

agar I literally was saying for days it was four town. Several people scum read me for it.

ANd at first I was frustrated I had no time to think. Then i started towmreadimg all of them and got annoyed

mmm I don't think so

[SirCakez]

everyone's Noraa meta was awful

[SirCakez]

agar I literally was saying for days it was four town. Several people scum read me for it.

ANd at first I was frustrated I had no time to think. Then i started towmreadimg all of them and got annoyed

mmm I don't think so

...

Go on?

the four town argument I think is wrong

[SirCakez]

if VP disappears here now that he's off the hot seat it will look pretty bad

[SirCakez]

if VP disappears here now that he's off the hot seat it will look pretty bad

I posted...

*Checks notes*

... yesterday.

notice the key word "if"

Also, why say that about me, but not pooky, who I don't think has even posted any content this phase?

you just came to mind first because I felt like Pooky brought a ton of attention upon himself already while you were thrust into it

[SirCakez]

tentatively I'd like to challenge blue barracudas depending on what lilith thinks

[SirCakez]

Purple Parrots aren't great either

[SirCakez]

notice the key word "if"

Today is "saying things that don't need to be said" day or what?

Why would you think I'm going to disappear?

i had a strange gut feeling

What benefit do you see to scum angling to push a four-town mindset if there's a scumbag in there?

this seems really obvious no?
plant the idea of scum as town
like scum 101

[SirCakez]

The counter point is it's a pretty low reward play (you might keep one of your scumbuddies out of a yeet pool for a bit, you maybe get a bit of towncred) with a lot of opportunity to backfire if one of them flips scum and is linked back to the person pushing it and even if they aren't they lose any potential gains as soon as that one flips. Unless you think notty's mild attempts to persuade others that all four were town will prevent any of them from ending up back in a challenge. I don't see it as a good play from Notty to try and save a scumbuddy there.

but it gives him a pass to not have to bus

[SirCakez]

lilith told me she would work reads with me but she hasn't

[SirCakez]

i'm p much ready to challenge barracudas
fine with wagoning lilith or agar

[SirCakez]

Mmmmk this game is stalling so let's not sink into apathy

I challenge Blue Barracudas

[SirCakez]

VOTE: agar

[SirCakez]

Cakez, hit me with that speed reader AGar case.

I'll write this up later

[SirCakez]

I swear I'll write the case I just have been lazy
Or maybe I'm trying to see how desperate agar is for something to write against lol @cabd

[SirCakez]

Also I don't think there's anything wrong with lilith pushes

[SirCakez]

And with this pool who cares about easy pushes
Sometimes scummy people are just scum

[SirCakez]

Sometimes scummy people are just scum

Is this referring to me or agar?

more agar but possibly you
i'm just irked by by the people today saying someone is "too easy" to push

[SirCakez]

agar is my first choice from the pool, I still think his noraa read was very unnatural

That is your full reason for suspecting him?

you asked for a bullet point case, that was my one sentence TLDR. Do I think other things he’s said/done have also been scummy? yeah, but writing a full-blown thing would take more brain energy than I have. I can attempt it at some point but I ended up not being able to take vacation this week/worked over the weekend, so not a super priority for me since agar seems to be getting pushed plenty already.

VOTE: lillith

You seem to make a lot of excuses. I asked for simple bullet points, you provided one weak ass reason and then say anything more than that is a "full blown thing."

I think you've had an entire game to contribute something substantial, and you're completely background. I believe you that work is busy, but there is a point where it just comes across as a lack of motivation because no one is forcing you to contribute: a scum mentality

hmmm

[SirCakez]

cakez what do you think of baltar's latest post :3

agar is my first choice from the pool, I still think his noraa read was very unnatural

That is your full reason for suspecting him?

you asked for a bullet point case, that was my one sentence TLDR. Do I think other things he’s said/done have also been scummy? yeah, but writing a full-blown thing would take more brain energy than I have. I can attempt it at some point but I ended up not being able to take vacation this week/worked over the weekend, so not a super priority for me since agar seems to be getting pushed plenty already.

VOTE: lillith

You seem to make a lot of excuses. I asked for simple bullet points, you provided one weak ass reason and then say anything more than that is a "full blown thing."

I think you've had an entire game to contribute something substantial, and you're completely background. I believe you that work is busy, but there is a point where it just comes across as a lack of motivation because no one is forcing you to contribute: a scum mentality

hmmm

[SirCakez]

Ok Boomer Take #1: Providing observations on a set of players when asked is not "sussing" or "shading" all of those players just because it does not feature a fucking glowing "this person is town omg!" review. Jesus fucking christ, I literally said that one of the players is "a player". The other I provided a candid observation with no fucking indication of a lean. I literally said I wanted to yeet one player in that post. One. Not two, not three.... I swear to christ reading comprehension cannot be this difficult.

How is what you described from Cakez not yeetworthy?

what are you getting at here

[SirCakez]

Agar my main issues w/you is that I see little to no effort to scumhunt, just a lot of passive, upkeep-type posting

[SirCakez]

i think agar is scummy but honestly not liking lilith's reaction here too much

[SirCakez]

Finished ISOing AGar.

I'm really not getting the suspicion on him. He's logically consistent throughout his play, he's pushing in a lot of different directions on D1 and he questions his own reads at various points. AGar and Starbuck are two people I probably have the most experience playing with back in the day. I also played with both of them since my return in Mafia Revelations. I said this to Noraa in our PT, but I was watching both of them closely at the start of this game to see if they easily accepted me as town or not. I said that because I was scum in Revelations and they both gave me too easy of a pass because we all like each other.

AGar does not do that this game. He asks me a few tough questions to try and suss out my motivations during the great PT debacle. It's not a grilling, but they read like very genuine skepticism and poking to see what my alignment is. AGar also genuinely expresses frustration at things I'd expect him to get annoyed with as town, such as shitspamming the thread. That's certainly something that could be faked, but I don't see the scum motivation to stop that from happening D1. AGar's efforts certainly read more genuine than Reck on that front, where the latter griped about it but didn't actively do anything to stop it from happening. AGar actually engaged with gamma during that, and opposed Pooky's idea of the limpool not talking D1.

That all reads fairly town to me....which is probably why I'm asking repeatedly to get an actual case on AGar and no one is providing it.

but where is his scumhunting? I'm seeing so many empty questions and fluffy posting that's not really motivated by town imo

[SirCakez]

I guess overall my sense after D1 was that Cakez was pretty hard scum reading Gamma, so maybe I expected him to challenge Pooky/Gamma again to seal the deal there.

i will say on this I still think Gamma is scummy, I just thought it would be counterproductive to challenge a pair that was just up

I am ok yeeting lilith if that's what maj wants
i know I haven't delivered my promised Agar case

[SirCakez]

I feel really lost now and don't know where to put my vote at all

Just vote agar

[SirCakez]

UNVOTE: agar
I don’t feel good enough about him flipping scum or ending the day rn

don't like this unvote

but where is his scumhunting? I'm seeing so many empty questions and fluffy posting that's not really motivated by town imo

You had 3 hours to literally click any of the links in the post right before this one but you chose not to. Por que no?

Also I thought I did this but apparently not?

VOTE: lillith2013

I just went back and rechecked this and it was a bunch of stuff pushing on Lilith. I don't see the relevance in regards to your early game posting.

[SirCakez]

your reasoning sounds made up
in what world is this a quickhammer? we've been discussing for a while now and the game is stagnant

[SirCakez]

lilith/agar/bulge/??
or is that too easy?

I agree with the comments that Gamma has a weird relation to Lilith

[SirCakez]

Waiting for an AGar case, day 38.

I fucking swear I'll write it today or I'll self vote

[SirCakez]

THE AGAR CASE

1. THESIS

AGar is the scummiest player in the game. As I have stated, the primary reason I find AGar to be scummy is his consistent coasting and lack of scumhunting throughout the game. AGar's ISO is consistent with scum who is content allowing town to consume itself, as we all saw day one with the Noraa shitfest. AGar's wall-posting looks townie on the surface but in actuality lacks scumhunting and is made to keep up appearances and keep town focused on fighting each other.

2. DAY ONE

We begin by noting that AGAR has only 35 posts, less then the commonly-professed "lurker" lilith2013 and only more than busy IRL Starbuck and the mod. Not significant alone but it aligns with a coasting scum theory.

Ok, one, jesus fuck there's 17 pages.

Two, lol@page4 challenge

Three, christ half of this shit is useless nonsense.

But yeah this play is a huge gambit if he is scum and I'm not sure scum!pooky willingly puts himself on the chopping block just like that.

Why not? It's not actually as big of a gambit as people are making it out to be.

@Pooky

How much playing experience do you have with Noraa and Gamma, specifically?

Just take the fucking townread goddamn it!!!!!!

You bitch and moan about how I read you wrong and yet when I townread you you attack me. And I find it ridiculous you think I can’t find you obvtown when you yourself boast about your towniness at every turn. You’re not genuinely interacting with me, you’re being contrarian!!!!!!!!

These posts are weird. Gamma's entire reaction to Noraa pushing back on a townread is very weird.

Self-vote in 280. Tech. When the fuck did AtE self-votes become meta? God dammit.

@VPB

what's with the insistence on trying to get Reck/UT to parse each other in particular?

Here we see what I would expect from scum who does not want to shake the boat - complaining about number of pages, accusations of posts being "weird" without further interrogation, aimless questioning.

Wild notion, but 46% of the posts this game are from noraa and gamma so how about the two of you chill out and let some other people talk instead of suffocating the game?

me gamma noraa baltar take a time out and let the other 8 people talk for a day or two ok?

I'm down for that

Baltar Noraa Gamma?

I’ll try to avoid posting but I don’t want to get prodded
But yeah I’ll keep it down. I do kinda wanna have highest post count for the time I’m alive though.

Let’s note MY pair was immediately willing to comply but VP and Noraa weren’t. I think that’s an indication of who REALLY cares about keeping traction in this situation.

I mean this is a garbage concept, and thinking that not threadshitting means not posting at all is a hell of an equivalency.

Like we have to yeet one of you four, thus, it is kind of necessary that you four participate. Just stop threadshitting with petty arguments. Seems simple enough.

What didn’t you like about gammas reaction agar

The whole insistence that Noraa accept his Day 1 Page, like, 5? townread on her, like if she pushed back it invalidated that he felt she was town or something, and then getting very personal when it was pushed back on and it wasn't centered on the fact that she was scumreading him. It was a lot of words about someone not trusting a townread, which felt very off. At this point I lean a decent bit town on Noraa based on the whole exchange, and Gamma's insistence on the townread to the point of a self-vote feels very fucking weird.

Can we not with the whole "the 4 who are eligible for yeeting are dipping out of the thread" thing? Again, y'all can be present and interact and, y'know, help us figure out who's where without just shitting up the thread.

Useless yelling at the 1v1 that ended up not doing anything, along with more "weird" accusations and fluffy "pls calm down xD" posting rather then actual scumhunting. Also note that AGar has yet to place a vote at this point despite being nearly 20 pages into the game AND AGar having basically called Gamma scummy. I believe this implicates Gamma-AGar as being scum buddies. This is AGar trying to distance without throwing his buddy Gamma on the hot seat as he was one of the four up for day one.

3/4 of us have a large share of the posts though. Plus it would just be nice to hear everyone else’s thoughts for a change?

Right, hence the "hey don't threadshit but also don't disappear."

Here is a new take from me: I think Reck might be scum here. Tinfoil hat says he knows too much about gamma's alignment.

Oh? Off the drunk note to self or something more?

Useless fluff post

SirCakez
lilith2013
Starbuck
AGar
xRECKONERx
notscience
The Bulge

^ this list of people

what are your reads on the players on the table right now? how about the 8 of us talk about this. we don't need to talk about anyone who you can't vote for today. that will clutter this up and distract. just the people on the table.

Townlean Noraa. (posts like 147, 232). I don't love the reasoning for townPooky she gives in 236 and still want a follow up on why, but I don't find that scummy.

Scumlean GE. I really really hate his insistence that the 4 up for yeeting shut up because it creates a situation where 8 of us talk to each other about 4 people who are interacting in a limited way and then with PTs and daytalk allows for a lot of lurking and coordination. I still find his whole thing about Noraa pushing back on a townread from him very very awkward and just there's a thing about it that doesn't sit right with me - it's setting off gut pangs.

Null on VPB and Pooky for two different reasons.

VPB's early posting was kinda fluffy but the game was generally trash so it didn't feel like there was anything he was particularly dodging. Lately he's been mostly :goodposting:. I don't love the deal made, but that's just me in general and tbf I'm not a party to that so whatever. If we come to a point where it's suddenly obvious Noraa or VPB is scum and we can't get the other to vote to yeet because of a dumb deal, we'll burn that bridge then.

Pooky's early challenge set off a few gambit bells with me but then his follow up has been... the opposite of what I would call smart scum posting if he was gambitting.

How about this: how many people who are not in the challenge are using their PTs to talk about the game?

Not really right now. I will likely spew some shit in there later because I find the PT useful in spots generally.

2) Ok then propose a logical reason for why anyone would hide something in the PT that they are not sharing with the rest of us.

The same reason any neighborhood is worthwhile - you can discuss stuff in a limited one on one environment to bounce shit off of someone, a second set of eyes - you don't have to trust them 100% but it can help shit out. You can ask your partner their direct opinion on a topic to get a read on them. You can just work through thoughts. Plenty of people keep notes PTs. It's at worst a notes PT with another voice in there. Besides, if your partner is keeping secrets in the PT you feel should be shared with the town... you can just fucking share that info and put that badge on your partner.

Another significant post implicating Gamma-AGar scum buddies - he scumleans Gamma but STILL refuses to vote him. All of these reads are FULL of fencesitting. For literally every read he gives a reason he finds them scummy and a reason he finds them townie. This allows scum AGar to be as flexible as needed to ensure he can get on the right wagon of the day and ensure the town miselim.
And then even more fluff with his hood theorizing. This just keeps padding his walls.

Townlean Noraa. (posts like 147, 232). I don't love the reasoning for townPooky she gives in 236 and still want a follow up on why, but I don't find that scummy.

What about 147 and 232 was towny?

147 felt like a genuine, logical justification for using the PT, didn't feel feigned or too concerned. Would expect scum using their PT to more fervently defend their usage than just "Meh whatever, I feel like I'll be able to read them."

232's attempt at diving in and solving and not just trying to limit it to the four who are up to be yeeted right now and engaging in all directions, when it would probably behoove scum in the yeet pool to limit their interactions to those within the pool at this point. (This is, offhand, why I don't love the attempts to get those 4 to shut up and let the rest of us carry on posting)

Anyway, let's cook a little bit more.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

He FINALLY drops the Gamma vote. This is the ONLY vote he places all game until the very recent lilith vote.

Holy shit, way to only think about yourselves.

I put you at 5. Calm down.

You've had plenty of time that you could have put something forward and yet you have yet to do it - you keep delaying for no apparent reason. Just post it.

I was giving the thread a chance to breathe, sorry you didn’t get the memo scum.

I've been imploring all four of you to give valuable content if you have it. Sorry you haven't bothered to read, scum.

Obvious scum theatre - he never really commits to pushing Gamma through (or really defending Noraa), instead going AWOL after this series of posts.

Small break in cookie baking.

because?

u really think 4 entire people didn't read the OP?
I do think it was a forced town slip.

I mean either it's a slip or it's fabricated. Don't straddle a fence there. You can't "force" a legitimate slip.

Also, to go back to why I'm voting Pooky, we have 2 people not wanting to vote VP despite finding him suspicious. As such I now have to get 7/9 people to vote there, with multiple having expressed disinterest there outside the UT/Reck pair as well iirc. So like, it's not fucking happening, on a mathematical level.

Reck and who? You keep saying this and I'm assuming you mean UT and UT has repeatedly said he doesn't?

He says it's "weak, and therefore useless"
I disagree with that sentiment, but he essentially is unwilling to vote VP despite having scum feelings from him
Honestly thinking about it UT's perspective here reeks of scum motivation, he's not scumhunting, just pushing people who look bad

idk saying a read is "weak, and therefore useless" to me reads that the person doesn't have convictions in that read so it's not really a solid read.

MORE fluff

would it not do to shore that read up though? It's the same issue I brought up regarding baltar where the solving is not present imo

It does not strike me as odd. It's Day 1. He clearly doesn't see it as a priority.

AGar, why the Gamma vote?

Of the four, I find Gamma's sustained behavior most likely to come from scum. I could see an argument for Pooky gambitting with the autochallenge, but the followup hasn't given me those vibes. VPB has been, to me, the most logically consistent all throughout. Noraa I still get townvibes from overall. Haven't loved recent posting, but most of it I can chalk up to some level of frustration. A little concerned about VPB's statement of inconsistencies between PT and this thread, and there's been some recent alarm bells, but I'm not close to switching.

My gut says gamma is more scummy overall, but if we do have a four town situation, I think Noraa is less utility because I don't read Cakez as scum at all right now and she seems keyed up to auto challenge him.

Kinda rude for u to say that. ur basically just justifying a vote on me as a Pl and *assuming* all 4 are town.

Ur like gamma is scummier but Noraa is more negative utility to town. Hence justifying ur vote on both largest wagons of the day.

Maybe I can see
Vp/Notsci/Cake/__

I loathe this post. I hate the intentional misconstruing of 909, and the attempt at a solve that follows.

Here we see even MORE fencesitting and an obvious future setup of a Noraa vote as he wants to pivot off his buddy now and ensure the Noraa miselim goes through.

Of the four, I find Gamma's sustained behavior most likely to come from scum

okay but I don't think it's gonna happen

What convinces you Gamma *shouldn't* eat the yeet?

@VPB

The shift in 953 & 955 is throwing me a bit of a loop - care to help me out here? 953 seems to insinuate you would like a Gamma yeet but the vote 2 posts later obviously strays in a different direction.

959 seems to miss the entire point of what UT brought up in 946 wrt reading other players. I'm unsurprised.

979

Narrator: He did, in fact, misremember.

@Reck

re: 981 - Pooky's challenge was anti-town but do you see anything in the followup to indicate scum? Or are you just finding the pool largely homogenous and that's enough to sort out among the four?

If you're not sharing, this picture means nothing to me.

For just a short drive down to St. Yeet, you too could have some of these delicious cookies.

And in 1016, we can see the wild scum circle back to the very thing that was brought up in 946, oblivious to the fact itself.

1024 bad, 1033 ignores basic common sense.

re:1038

1. Gamma
2. Pooky
3. Noraa
4. VPB

More fluff - notice here he does NOTHING to stop the Noraa miselim that goes through just a few pages later despite professing a townread on her and pushing the Gamma elim earlier.

Day One conclusion - AGar distancing from Gamma and allowing the Noraa miselim to go through despite townreading her all day. Also lots of fluff ofc.

3. DAY TWO

Just checking in to remind everyone that Noraa is town and we should vote out the guy who put us in a four town lolchallenge thanks

Feels like you could've pushed harder on this than "oh let's just yeet any of these four IDGAF"

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Bye noraa.
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his read on what was going on yesterday was better than mine so I think he probably has a better handle on what's going on than I do

the high degree of confidence he had in his read(s) could be because he's scum, but I'm choosing to believe that it's because he has better reads than I do at this time

This feels like an odd turn from yesterday where you felt fairly confident and willing to take a driver's seat. You had one wrong read and you're willing to do a complete 180?

I don't think I'd want to see the iguanas in another challenge. definitely not any time soon.

Por que no?

For example, Agar called noraa towny for her argument with gamma when they were getting equally emotional and imo the argument should have been NAI for both sides, and as a result of that basically crossed her off his elimination list. What difference were you seeing there that made you think noraa was town but not gamma? (@agar)

I townread noraa based off of tone/motivation. I said nothing about her side of the argument being towny, and I also already told you exactly what I did find town about her early in the game, none of which had to do with her argument. I thought the argument was dumb and toxic, but I thought the thing that sparked it - GE's whinging over her reaction to a

townread

- was drawing at straws to try and just be saying something about the four up for the yeet. Everything after the initial volley of posts was pretty unindicative of anything, with a slight undertone of "GE is still protesting this way too much," and didn't really color my reads at all.

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GE is still scum y'all.
One of UT or Reck has it over on the other. Book it.
Notty's nibbling a lot and picking on post counts and justifying it with "gut". Fucking lol.

Now we see AGar defending his townread of Noraa (that he didn't really have) and more "BTW Gamma is not aligned with me."

agar I literally was saying for days it was four town. Several people scum read me for it.

ANd at first I was frustrated I had no time to think. Then i started towmreadimg all of them and got annoyed

Yes but you decided to not even put any effort into "they're all town but we should yeet Pooky because of this dumb challenge" because... why? Like you voted him and you traded barbs, but you waited until right before the self-hammer to actually appeal to anyone else that we should yeet Pooky.

I feel like this game is about 50/50 on meta cases. Yeah, you're gonna get shouted down by UT/Reck and myself to a lesser extent, but that feels like a weak as shit reason to not pursue.

The best way to explain it is pretend I’m a vegan

I know me telling people to become a vegan because they’re killing animals and I’m so great will get me nowhere

So I don’t

Ninja-
I don’t know Lilith or starbuck

I know you three will shoot it down

Bulge will half listen bc he is used to me but agrees with you three

Cakez? Meh. I haven’t interacted with him much in any capacity

And the rest were directly involved in it all.

So how did you come about on Pooky and VPB likely being town? Since you singled out GE and Noraa were meta reads?

Quote striping like it's 2011 in here because I don't feel like @ing and formatting BBcode rn.

@Agar- anti town more likely comes from town for Pooky

I'm sorry hwat?

agar I literally was saying for days it was four town. Several people scum read me for it.

ANd at first I was frustrated I had no time to think. Then i started towmreadimg all of them and got annoyed

mmm I don't think so

...

Go on?

the four town argument I think is wrong

What benefit do you see to scum angling to push a four-town mindset if there's a scumbag in there?

Also, why say that about me, but not pooky, who I don't think has even posted any content this phase?

i thought people were tired of me posting shit and wanted me to shut up tbh

Imagine misreading the room this bad.

Imagine.

Show me where I’m shirking responsibility for it and not chastising Pooky.

Chastising Pooky about his play isn't not shirking responsibility though. You did fuckall to try and at least move the town towards the player you felt was acting most detrimental, if you truly feel all four in the pool were town, and you've hid behind "Well like three of you would've for sure shot me down because I townread two players because of meta" which is a charmin level defense for not making any real attempt to even sell anyone on Pookie.

agar are you scum bro

Nah.

What benefit do you see to scum angling to push a four-town mindset if there's a scumbag in there?

this seems really obvious no?
plant the idea of scum as town
like scum 101

The counter point is it's a pretty low reward play (you might keep one of your scumbuddies out of a yeet pool for a bit, you maybe get a bit of towncred) with a lot of opportunity to backfire if one of them flips scum and is linked back to the person pushing it and even if they aren't they lose any potential gains as soon as that one flips. Unless you think notty's mild attempts to persuade others that all four were town will prevent any of them from ending up back in a challenge. I don't see it as a good play from Notty to try and save a scumbuddy there.

Agar we had two separate players in the pool talk about auto challenging.

What is this specifically in regards to? I'm actually not following here. If this is in response to my "hwat" comment, I want to know why you think Pookie's anti-town actions are a town indicator for him. This doesn't seem to really help with that unless I'm missing something.

And yeah, I didn’t go “yes this guy is town but he’s an asshole who was anti town so elim him” because I have zero desire to try and confidently shove a miselim. Look at me yesterday- I was originally content to hammer anyone but after I realized it was four town I couldn’t bring myself to hammer her. I lead elims on scum, not on town.

If you think all four are town, and those are the only four up for a yeet, you should be angling to actually get the one you suspect is most dangerous to get yeeted, not hide behind "I lead elims on scum, not town" and "no one would listen to me because meta."

AGar, you already say today who you think should be in the challenge arena?

Nah, but I've also been operating under the assumption that one of Cakez/Notty is gonna challenge me. I'd prefer Notty or GE in the arena to tango with.

The counter point is it's a pretty low reward play (you might keep one of your scumbuddies out of a yeet pool for a bit, you maybe get a bit of towncred) with a lot of opportunity to backfire if one of them flips scum and is linked back to the person pushing it and even if they aren't they lose any potential gains as soon as that one flips. Unless you think notty's mild attempts to persuade others that all four were town will prevent any of them from ending up back in a challenge. I don't see it as a good play from Notty to try and save a scumbuddy there.

but it gives him a pass to not have to bus

This feels like a weaker justification, but ok.

All of these posts are examples of the crux of my argument - AGar is "posting" but not actually scumhunting. Actually read through all of these posts. There is nothing here that looks like genuine town trying to find scum. It's all fluffy questions.

I don't think I'd want to see the iguanas in another challenge. definitely not any time soon.

Por que no?

what would we learn? if they show up in a later challenge then so be it, great if there's scum there. but there is a whole team to find and we have already had a tonne of analyzable content from those two slots, so no I don't think that would have been smart townplay in the least bit.

Just because those two are back in it doesn't mean it also has to be VPB. Putting them up against another team where you suspect there to be scum could be a way of gleaning who's gonna fall where, but it's not that big of a deal for me.

Cakez, hit me with that speed reader AGar case.

[whisper]he doesn't really have one[/whisper]

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@VPB

I'd give you bullet points, but there's not enough between the four of us to really do that. Cakez's iso is just floating shit out softly and abandoning things that don't take. Starbuck is... a player? Haven't used our PT for much beyond some memes and shenanigans. Partially on me, as I stupidly forgot "no scum nightkill" means "no night phase" and was looking forward to a brief respite from this thread to organize thoughts and try to engage 1-on-1.

I most want to yeet Lillith. Her prodding feels artificial, she seems like she's just latching on to wanting to yeet me so as not to have to engage with Cakez, and her ISO is mostly just globbing on to whatever seems to be something she can echo at the time.

Now he finally starts his shadecasting at me because he knows I'm onto him and that the case IS actually real. It's just like what I had to do as scum in Xenoblade 2 - try to shut down Cabd before it was too late. He also here develops this Lilith scumread out of nowhere because he has no options and can't let himself be elimmed - he can't push me because it would look terrible on him to develop a SR on me when I've had one on him all game and he can't push Starbuck because there is nothing there and no one is interested in that elim.

I most want to yeet Lillith. Her prodding feels artificial, she seems like she's just latching on to wanting to yeet me so as not to have to engage with Cakez, and her ISO is mostly just globbing on to whatever seems to be something she can echo at the time.

Talk about this? I feel like lilith’s content has been decent at least, for what little she had

I have yet to see anything showing original thought or effort from Lillith.

I most want to yeet Lillith. Her prodding feels artificial, she seems like she's just latching on to wanting to yeet me so as not to have to engage with Cakez, and her ISO is mostly just globbing on to whatever seems to be something she can echo at the time.

this is a Bad Take, an Easy Yeet for Scum to Push and also Very Lazy

when you find me agreeing with Gamma, that's a take you can trust

On my part my issue with AGar is less that his lilith push is bad and more that he sussed all three of the other people in the pool.

Ok Boomer Take #1: Providing observations on a set of players when asked is not "sussing" or "shading" all of those players just because it does not feature a fucking glowing "this person is town omg!" review. Jesus fucking christ, I literally said that one of the players is "a player". The other I provided a candid observation with no fucking indication of a lean. I literally said I wanted to yeet one player in that post. One. Not two, not three.... I swear to christ reading comprehension cannot be this difficult.

...it’s talking about agars push. He’s not going to push himself.

Well not with that attitude I won't.

And honestly I struggle to remember what Lilith has done this game. Could just be on me, but I had no problem with UTs line of questioning there

This. Is. Fucking. Stellar.

Galaxy brain type shit.

My point was and still is that it’s an easy push for agar to make. You’re saying she’s done stuff and I’m wrong- cool, whatever, I don’t remember it and am not really pushing the issue my main point is it’s a weak push from agar

Yes, the infamous "easy push" that has gotten all of *checks notes* 1 other vote and it would need 6 total. Marvelous play. I think y'all are confusing "easy push" with "push I don't like". Which, if y'all don't like it fine but say so and don't just hid behind "oh it's an easy push."

re:

1245 See Boomer Take #1. Also your one point about questioning the townread is correct, and I misremembered exchanges with Notty post-Noraa/GE, but that's literally... *checks notes* your only contribution? Questioning a townread?

Another one of the AGar fluff walls that look good but there's actually nothing there.

Then he starts his whole 1v1 with Lilith that I'm not gonna quote because it's recent but it's basically only the SECOND time in the whole game where he actually pushes a scumread - and this is because of necessity to try to save himself.

4. CONCLUSION

Roughly 75% of AGar's posting is fluffy "walls" and useless posts. The other 25% is distancing and pushing necessitated in order to sustain himself within the gamestate. Exactly 0% is town motivated scumhunting. There is also a significant amount of evidence for Gamma being AGar's scumbuddy.

[SirCakez]

UT said cakez spent too much yesterday throwing shade on noraa without ever voting her so he kinda stealthily contributed to the misyeet without getting messy

yo this is BS I said Noraa was town and not to elim her

[SirCakez]

Gamma now?

[SirCakez]

Notsci is also a decent candidate

[SirCakez]

Have to say Baltar does not look great for repeatedly asking for a case and then deferring to Agar when it arrived

[SirCakez]

I concur Lilith is not cleared here

[SirCakez]

ok so like we're both town but do we challenge to get rid of our super secret agreed scumread today or do we try to run the table on "not challenged ever"

Do it

[SirCakez]

Thanks for posting. I have thoughts, but I'll let Agar respond first.

That wall makes me feel more comfortable with the AGar vote
A lot of my doubts on AGar scum come from trying to filter personal feelings and scummy vibes from real scum motivation. And while I know I’m not scum with AGar, I still feel like his interactions with me ARE scummy, and since it’s nightless Ithink the trade of me for AGar is fair.
VOTE: AGar

one of these is agar's partner. the self hammer makes me lean Gamma, look at how he stuck around the thread pointlessly after laying down the hammer setup. but vpb what the hell were you doing with reck/pooky/ut there?

Definitely

[SirCakez]

I'd like everyone to refer back to my case on Agar
I'm pretty sure his push on Gamma was scum distancing

[SirCakez]

Wild notion, but 46% of the posts this game are from noraa and gamma so how about the two of you chill out and let some other people talk instead of suffocating the game?

me gamma noraa baltar take a time out and let the other 8 people talk for a day or two ok?

I'm down for that

Baltar Noraa Gamma?

I’ll try to avoid posting but I don’t want to get prodded
But yeah I’ll keep it down. I do kinda wanna have highest post count for the time I’m alive though.

Let’s note MY pair was immediately willing to comply but VP and Noraa weren’t. I think that’s an indication of who REALLY cares about keeping traction in this situation.

I mean this is a garbage concept, and thinking that not threadshitting means not posting at all is a hell of an equivalency.

Like we have to yeet one of you four, thus, it is kind of necessary that you four participate. Just stop threadshitting with petty arguments. Seems simple enough.

What didn’t you like about gammas reaction agar

The whole insistence that Noraa accept his Day 1 Page, like, 5? townread on her, like if she pushed back it invalidated that he felt she was town or something, and then getting very personal when it was pushed back on and it wasn't centered on the fact that she was scumreading him. It was a lot of words about someone not trusting a townread, which felt very off. At this point I lean a decent bit town on Noraa based on the whole exchange, and Gamma's insistence on the townread to the point of a self-vote feels very fucking weird.

Can we not with the whole "the 4 who are eligible for yeeting are dipping out of the thread" thing? Again, y'all can be present and interact and, y'know, help us figure out who's where without just shitting up the thread.

Useless yelling at the 1v1 that ended up not doing anything, along with more "weird" accusations and fluffy "pls calm down xD" posting rather then actual scumhunting. Also note that AGar has yet to place a vote at this point despite being nearly 20 pages into the game AND AGar having basically called Gamma scummy. I believe this implicates Gamma-AGar as being scum buddies. This is AGar trying to distance without throwing his buddy Gamma on the hot seat as he was one of the four up for day one.

3/4 of us have a large share of the posts though. Plus it would just be nice to hear everyone else’s thoughts for a change?

Right, hence the "hey don't threadshit but also don't disappear."

Here is a new take from me: I think Reck might be scum here. Tinfoil hat says he knows too much about gamma's alignment.

Oh? Off the drunk note to self or something more?

Useless fluff post

SirCakez
lilith2013
Starbuck
AGar
xRECKONERx
notscience
The Bulge

^ this list of people

what are your reads on the players on the table right now? how about the 8 of us talk about this. we don't need to talk about anyone who you can't vote for today. that will clutter this up and distract. just the people on the table.

Townlean Noraa. (posts like 147, 232). I don't love the reasoning for townPooky she gives in 236 and still want a follow up on why, but I don't find that scummy.

Scumlean GE. I really really hate his insistence that the 4 up for yeeting shut up because it creates a situation where 8 of us talk to each other about 4 people who are interacting in a limited way and then with PTs and daytalk allows for a lot of lurking and coordination. I still find his whole thing about Noraa pushing back on a townread from him very very awkward and just there's a thing about it that doesn't sit right with me - it's setting off gut pangs.

Null on VPB and Pooky for two different reasons.

VPB's early posting was kinda fluffy but the game was generally trash so it didn't feel like there was anything he was particularly dodging. Lately he's been mostly :goodposting:. I don't love the deal made, but that's just me in general and tbf I'm not a party to that so whatever. If we come to a point where it's suddenly obvious Noraa or VPB is scum and we can't get the other to vote to yeet because of a dumb deal, we'll burn that bridge then.

Pooky's early challenge set off a few gambit bells with me but then his follow up has been... the opposite of what I would call smart scum posting if he was gambitting.

How about this: how many people who are not in the challenge are using their PTs to talk about the game?

Not really right now. I will likely spew some shit in there later because I find the PT useful in spots generally.

2) Ok then propose a logical reason for why anyone would hide something in the PT that they are not sharing with the rest of us.

The same reason any neighborhood is worthwhile - you can discuss stuff in a limited one on one environment to bounce shit off of someone, a second set of eyes - you don't have to trust them 100% but it can help shit out. You can ask your partner their direct opinion on a topic to get a read on them. You can just work through thoughts. Plenty of people keep notes PTs. It's at worst a notes PT with another voice in there. Besides, if your partner is keeping secrets in the PT you feel should be shared with the town... you can just fucking share that info and put that badge on your partner.

Another significant post implicating Gamma-AGar scum buddies - he scumleans Gamma but STILL refuses to vote him. All of these reads are FULL of fencesitting. For literally every read he gives a reason he finds them scummy and a reason he finds them townie. This allows scum AGar to be as flexible as needed to ensure he can get on the right wagon of the day and ensure the town miselim.
And then even more fluff with his hood theorizing. This just keeps padding his walls.

Townlean Noraa. (posts like 147, 232). I don't love the reasoning for townPooky she gives in 236 and still want a follow up on why, but I don't find that scummy.

What about 147 and 232 was towny?

147 felt like a genuine, logical justification for using the PT, didn't feel feigned or too concerned. Would expect scum using their PT to more fervently defend their usage than just "Meh whatever, I feel like I'll be able to read them."

232's attempt at diving in and solving and not just trying to limit it to the four who are up to be yeeted right now and engaging in all directions, when it would probably behoove scum in the yeet pool to limit their interactions to those within the pool at this point. (This is, offhand, why I don't love the attempts to get those 4 to shut up and let the rest of us carry on posting)

Anyway, let's cook a little bit more.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

He FINALLY drops the Gamma vote. This is the ONLY vote he places all game until the very recent lilith vote.

Holy shit, way to only think about yourselves.

I put you at 5. Calm down.

You've had plenty of time that you could have put something forward and yet you have yet to do it - you keep delaying for no apparent reason. Just post it.

I was giving the thread a chance to breathe, sorry you didn’t get the memo scum.

I've been imploring all four of you to give valuable content if you have it. Sorry you haven't bothered to read, scum.

Obvious scum theatre - he never really commits to pushing Gamma through (or really defending Noraa), instead going AWOL after this series of posts.

Small break in cookie baking.

because?

u really think 4 entire people didn't read the OP?
I do think it was a forced town slip.

I mean either it's a slip or it's fabricated. Don't straddle a fence there. You can't "force" a legitimate slip.

Also, to go back to why I'm voting Pooky, we have 2 people not wanting to vote VP despite finding him suspicious. As such I now have to get 7/9 people to vote there, with multiple having expressed disinterest there outside the UT/Reck pair as well iirc. So like, it's not fucking happening, on a mathematical level.

Reck and who? You keep saying this and I'm assuming you mean UT and UT has repeatedly said he doesn't?

He says it's "weak, and therefore useless"
I disagree with that sentiment, but he essentially is unwilling to vote VP despite having scum feelings from him
Honestly thinking about it UT's perspective here reeks of scum motivation, he's not scumhunting, just pushing people who look bad

idk saying a read is "weak, and therefore useless" to me reads that the person doesn't have convictions in that read so it's not really a solid read.

MORE fluff

would it not do to shore that read up though? It's the same issue I brought up regarding baltar where the solving is not present imo

It does not strike me as odd. It's Day 1. He clearly doesn't see it as a priority.

AGar, why the Gamma vote?

Of the four, I find Gamma's sustained behavior most likely to come from scum. I could see an argument for Pooky gambitting with the autochallenge, but the followup hasn't given me those vibes. VPB has been, to me, the most logically consistent all throughout. Noraa I still get townvibes from overall. Haven't loved recent posting, but most of it I can chalk up to some level of frustration. A little concerned about VPB's statement of inconsistencies between PT and this thread, and there's been some recent alarm bells, but I'm not close to switching.

My gut says gamma is more scummy overall, but if we do have a four town situation, I think Noraa is less utility because I don't read Cakez as scum at all right now and she seems keyed up to auto challenge him.

Kinda rude for u to say that. ur basically just justifying a vote on me as a Pl and *assuming* all 4 are town.

Ur like gamma is scummier but Noraa is more negative utility to town. Hence justifying ur vote on both largest wagons of the day.

Maybe I can see
Vp/Notsci/Cake/__

I loathe this post. I hate the intentional misconstruing of 909, and the attempt at a solve that follows.

Here we see even MORE fencesitting and an obvious future setup of a Noraa vote as he wants to pivot off his buddy now and ensure the Noraa miselim goes through.

Of the four, I find Gamma's sustained behavior most likely to come from scum

okay but I don't think it's gonna happen

What convinces you Gamma *shouldn't* eat the yeet?

@VPB

The shift in 953 & 955 is throwing me a bit of a loop - care to help me out here? 953 seems to insinuate you would like a Gamma yeet but the vote 2 posts later obviously strays in a different direction.

959 seems to miss the entire point of what UT brought up in 946 wrt reading other players. I'm unsurprised.

979

Narrator: He did, in fact, misremember.

@Reck

re: 981 - Pooky's challenge was anti-town but do you see anything in the followup to indicate scum? Or are you just finding the pool largely homogenous and that's enough to sort out among the four?

If you're not sharing, this picture means nothing to me.

For just a short drive down to St. Yeet, you too could have some of these delicious cookies.

And in 1016, we can see the wild scum circle back to the very thing that was brought up in 946, oblivious to the fact itself.

1024 bad, 1033 ignores basic common sense.

re:1038

1. Gamma
2. Pooky
3. Noraa
4. VPB

More fluff - notice here he does NOTHING to stop the Noraa miselim that goes through just a few pages later despite professing a townread on her and pushing the Gamma elim earlier.

Day One conclusion - AGar distancing from Gamma and allowing the Noraa miselim to go through despite townreading her all day. Also lots of fluff ofc.

[SirCakez]

I like that Baltar did that and don't like Gamma's reaction so

VOTE: gamma

[SirCakez]

VOTE: baltar

Ew

[SirCakez]

P sure we can hammer here unless someone has a serious case for Baltar or Pooky

[SirCakez]

I think AGar’s reasons for not seeing Cakez as scummy here are pretty dodgy. Maybe Cakez needs something more to get him past the finish line, but that doesn’t mean his current course of action is any better. And honestly I don’t even see why Cakez needs something more to get by. I also think Lilith had a good point about AGar not wanting to get into a 1v1 with Cakez.
Another thing is that when I first saw Cakez’s read wall on AGar that also expressed that I was scum with AGar, the points made by Cakez seemed like he was reading things that could go either way on me (scum!AGar interacting with a scumbuddy or a townie), which kinda checked out as fair. Having done my own homework at this point, my mind changes and I feel like Cakez tried to cherry-pick points to make me look worse. I also still hold that Cakez’s interactions with me and Noraa weren’t good. When I add AGar’s dodgy Cakez defense to that I think Cakez is likely scum.

this is just not true tho
it's impossible to cherry pick an ISO of 35 posts

[SirCakez]

I feel like if you genuinely cared to sort me there you should have been able to tell AGar was trying to mis-exe me vs. trying to bus me
didn't you also assert AGar was calling Noraa scummy, something which was

absolutely factually untrue

?

It didn't seem like he actually wanted you elimmed at all day one
Noraa was scummy...

[SirCakez]

I feel like if you genuinely cared to sort me there you should have been able to tell AGar was trying to mis-exe me vs. trying to bus me
didn't you also assert AGar was calling Noraa scummy, something which was

absolutely factually untrue

?

It didn't seem like he actually wanted you elimmed at all day one
Noraa was scummy...

This is just plain wrong. I want you to read some the post I quoted from AGar and tell me that doesn't look like he legitimately wants me limmed.
And that's fucking rich from you given you denied Noraa's scumminess earlier

But his push just felt like there was no energy behind it. It didn't feel like he really cared who died between Noraa and you.

I said Noraa was scummy superficially I;e her reactions were bad yeah but if you actually know her it's not

[SirCakez]

I feel like if you genuinely cared to sort me there you should have been able to tell AGar was trying to mis-exe me vs. trying to bus me
didn't you also assert AGar was calling Noraa scummy, something which was

absolutely factually untrue

?

It didn't seem like he actually wanted you elimmed at all day one
Noraa was scummy...

This is just plain wrong. I want you to read some the post I quoted from AGar and tell me that doesn't look like he legitimately wants me limmed.
And that's fucking rich from you given you denied Noraa's scumminess earlier

But his push just felt like there was no energy behind it. It didn't feel like he really cared who died between Noraa and you.

I said Noraa was scummy superficially I;e her reactions were bad yeah but if you actually know her it's not

But you got super up-in-arms anytime you were accused of having FoSed her
That contrasts real badly with your recent commentary

how? it's exactly what I've been saying all game
I think AGar was calling Noraa scummy without actually pushing her
Meanwhile I thought Noraa was acting scummy but was town (and said this in thread)
Not the same thing

"It didn't feel like he really cared who died between Noraa and you."

I'm responding to this line.

my point is that even though he claimed noraa was townie and gamma was scummy it seemed like he'd let Noraa die just as easily
which makes the conviction behind the Gamma push seem fake

[SirCakez]

would it not do to shore that read up though? It's the same issue I brought up regarding baltar where the solving is not present imo

It does not strike me as odd. It's Day 1. He clearly doesn't see it as a priority.

AGar, why the Gamma vote?

Of the four, I find Gamma's sustained behavior most likely to come from scum. I could see an argument for Pooky gambitting with the autochallenge, but the followup hasn't given me those vibes. VPB has been, to me, the most logically consistent all throughout. Noraa I still get townvibes from overall. Haven't loved recent posting, but most of it I can chalk up to some level of frustration. A little concerned about VPB's statement of inconsistencies between PT and this thread, and there's been some recent alarm bells, but I'm not close to switching.

My gut says gamma is more scummy overall, but if we do have a four town situation, I think Noraa is less utility because I don't read Cakez as scum at all right now and she seems keyed up to auto challenge him.

Kinda rude for u to say that. ur basically just justifying a vote on me as a Pl and *assuming* all 4 are town.

Ur like gamma is scummier but Noraa is more negative utility to town. Hence justifying ur vote on both largest wagons of the day.

Maybe I can see
Vp/Notsci/Cake/__

I loathe this post. I hate the intentional misconstruing of 909, and the attempt at a solve that follows.

because I actually defended Noraa while Agar just kind of sat there

[SirCakez]

my point is that even though he claimed noraa was townie and gamma was scummy it seemed like he'd let Noraa die just as easily
which makes the conviction behind the Gamma push seem fake

yes but why would that imply Gamma = Scum?

like if Noraa/Gamma were both town, would Agar want to have his hands on the wagon that gets elimmed or just be like hands off, Noraa dies, he gets to say he wasn't wrong?

the latter is what i thought he wanted and its what he did
Gamma was his placeholder push in the meantime that he never really tried to ensure went through instead of Noraa

[SirCakez]

where?

[SirCakez]

just because a wagon was on you =/= agar had anything to do with it

[SirCakez]

Of the four, I find Gamma's sustained behavior most likely to come from scum

okay but I don't think it's gonna happen

What convinces you Gamma *shouldn't* eat the yeet?

@VPB

The shift in 953 & 955 is throwing me a bit of a loop - care to help me out here? 953 seems to insinuate you would like a Gamma yeet but the vote 2 posts later obviously strays in a different direction.

959 seems to miss the entire point of what UT brought up in 946 wrt reading other players. I'm unsurprised.

979

Narrator: He did, in fact, misremember.

@Reck

re: 981 - Pooky's challenge was anti-town but do you see anything in the followup to indicate scum? Or are you just finding the pool largely homogenous and that's enough to sort out among the four?

If you're not sharing, this picture means nothing to me.

For just a short drive down to St. Yeet, you too could have some of these delicious cookies.

And in 1016, we can see the wild scum circle back to the very thing that was brought up in 946, oblivious to the fact itself.

1024 bad, 1033 ignores basic common sense.

re:1038

1. Gamma
2. Pooky
3. Noraa
4. VPB

he's trying to push both UT and VP onto me in this post, via challenging their unwillingness to vote me

ok loosely here
that's one post my dude

[SirCakez]

i don't have anything more to add re;Gamma I think the part of the AGar case that talks about him is enough

[SirCakez]

Starbuck, Bulge need to put a vote down or indicate something

[SirCakez]

i don't have anything more to add re;Gamma I think the part of the AGar case that talks about him is enough

Except it’s full of crap

And like, what the fuck am I supposed to do? Do you want me to spam a bunch of screamy text posts at VP telling him how much his position stinks? Because I’d rather not. I’ve presented counterpoints the the logic that has been presented against me so far and no one is legitimately engaging with them, they’re all just carrying on like zombies.

not my problem

[SirCakez]

Yeah kill that post-haste if you lim me here
Once I flip town Cakez’s actions here are indefensible

so OMGUS? your entire SR on me seems to be because you're mad I'm SRing you lol

[SirCakez]

And like, how am I “mad” about your read on me? It honestly makes perfect sense you’d push something like it, it’s just god-awful.

To me it all looks like this is pulled out of your ass based on my SR because you had literally not mentioned any sort of SR on me prior

[SirCakez]

Ok I'll concede Gamma was SRing me earlier I didn't remember
That doesn't make him any less scummy

[SirCakez]

If someone who is not Gamma can convince me on Baltar scum I'd go there

[SirCakez]

As I said before, I could very easily dominate the post count and be shoving harder

But I want everyone to be able to play and thus am not

this seems like a fake excuse

[SirCakez]

Ok I'll concede Gamma was SRing me earlier I didn't remember
That doesn't make him any less scummy

That's a bullshit excuse. How the fuck can you not remember it, I've been super-upfront about it! If you did legitimately forget, that doesn't absolve you of anything, but my inclination is you chose to leave it out because it wouldn't fit your narrative, seeing as that the playstyle you've had this whole game.

i have a lot of stuff going on and this game has not been at the front of my mind
why do you think it took so long for me to make the agar case?

If someone who is not Gamma can convince me on Baltar scum I'd go there

Look how easy your wagon is

Now look at mine

Now look back at yours

Now yours could be mine but it’s not.

And that’s bc this isn’t the wagon scum wants to go through and is thus avoiding it like the plague

but this doesn't make sense under your logic
if Gamma is town why hasn't he been hammered?

[SirCakez]

I first sussed him in the pt on dec 9th

Ninja-
As you can see I’m very concerned about you.

Ninja-
Really, Cakez? Lmao.

"i want other people to play more so i'm not posting as much"
like what???
that doesn't seem like what I know of you at all

[SirCakez]

What you know of me is I play off certain usual suspects and actively interact in conversations spanning tens of pages.

That person this game is bulge, who I suspected very early on and have recently come around on, but he doesn’t entertain that style. You know damn well I can top post counts without trying and I can literally go pull games YOU WERE IN where my posting is astronomical.

But flooding the thread does nothing in a geriatric game such as this.

But I feel you could be doing better here even if it wasn't your flood-style posting

Meanwhile, VP posted thoughts on every player in the challenge yesterday and had good reason to want lillith over AGar. Like I said, sucks to be chained to a dead scum based on a bad read, but I'm not gonna cry about it. I've had bad reads before and I will in the future.

I agree with what VP is saying about Gamma but I find this to be off-putting

[SirCakez]

DkKoba replaces Starbuck

LMAO I was wondering why there were four new pages

[SirCakez]

Also i have a general question for people: do you think this is an all town nomination? If so, why?

literally nobody does

are we locktowning lilith btw? like i just reread agar and then lilith

no

which is why im looking at cakez since im not used to him having good accurate reads -> having a partner they know is scum would help them have a more accurate case imo which is why im like super fucking sus there.

a blind squirrel finds nuts every once in a while
isnt that the saying?
also I'm v proud I caught scum here so don't kill my vibes

[SirCakez]

I'm still open to a Baltar vote if someone not-Gamma can show me why

[SirCakez]

which interaction?

[SirCakez]

yeah it doesn't look good

[SirCakez]

wat?

[SirCakez]

Sometimes scummy people are just scum

Is this referring to me or agar?

more agar but possibly you
i'm just irked by by the people today saying someone is "too easy" to push

Even in the context of why agar is scummy? I think you missed the point of the conversation

u mean this?

[SirCakez]

I'm not seeing the connection here other then you responding to the same posts that notsci commented on
i didn't like your reaction to Agar's push

[SirCakez]

either Bulge or Pooky has to hammer...
Notsci and Koba won't

[SirCakez]

UT we are mind melding here

[SirCakez]

He did also argue with lilith a little day two

[SirCakez]

So who was agar distancing with?

[SirCakez]

So who was agar distancing with?

you've lost the plot Koba
Or you're just scum here which is very plausible

[SirCakez]

I don't think Koba knows how to read me at all tho so who knows

[SirCakez]

I don't think Koba knows how to read me at all tho so who knows

How should i read you to be correct then?

Well your SR on me seems to be based on "he got a scum read correct therefore he was just bussing" which is just ridiculous
Try actually analyzing my posts

[SirCakez]

My partner is lilith not notsci

[SirCakez]

And honestly Koba I'm just annoyed with you because in games we play together you always immediately call me bad and read me solely based on that

[SirCakez]

Also I didn't even call you bad I just said you don't know how to read me

[SirCakez]

i think agar is scummy but honestly not liking lilith's reaction here too much

ok like im not fucking sure if this is like typical bad take cakez townplay or if its like scum cakez trying to help their partner

which is why im looking at cakez since im not used to him having good accurate reads -> having a partner they know is scum would help them have a more accurate case imo which is why im like super fucking sus there.

am i crazy or does a reck/cakez/notscience team sound plausible

[SirCakez]

That's Koba's whole SR on me so I'm not being hyperbolic when I say it's literally because I caught Agar and Koba doesn't believe I can catch scum

[SirCakez]

And Starbuck was a non-presence in this game so when I see somebody replace in that slot, defend my top SR, near-immediately call me scum with poor reasoning (when they know I am generally easy to miselim) then yeah I think Koba could be scum

[SirCakez]

If Koba is scum here they pretty much followed the trajectory to a tee: move pressure off the current leading wagons, and set up future challenge/miselims so Gamma and maybe notsci can get out of the hotseats

[SirCakez]

And push Pooky who is not one of the two leading scumspects on the current challenge

[SirCakez]

nah fam I was gonna see what Gamma flipped first before I slam that challenge button
Can you actually refute anything I said?

[SirCakez]

Reck had some pocket SR they wanted to challenge so I actually want to entertain that

[SirCakez]

So that just goes back to "his read was too good to be real" ok

[SirCakez]

What about agar/gamma interactions doesn't look like SvS?

[SirCakez]

Also if ur high and busy just respond to this tomorrow so it's not fucked up

[SirCakez]

ok well then I don't understand what you're getting at

[SirCakez]

no you definitely were ok with elimming me in betrayal

[SirCakez]

"I had good reads in a game one time"

Okay cool

lmao

[SirCakez]

no you definitely were ok with elimming me in betrayal

im okay everytime to lim a person who hardpushes 3 town miselims

Ok so this invalidates what you said earlier lmao

whatever VOTE: VP Baltar

there is 0 chance we get gamma here

He's literally sitting at y1

I will singlehandedly save him.

When he gets away here I'm gonna rag you for it in every game we play together

[SirCakez]

I don't think Koba knows how to read me at all tho so who knows

hmmm
trying to remember what koba's read on you in betrayal was

town

[SirCakez]

sounds like an excuse to protect your ego from admitting you messed up

[SirCakez]

Cuz policy elim after three miselims is fucking awful

[SirCakez]

But whatever that's getting offtrack from this game

[SirCakez]

pagetop

[SirCakez]

like, whoever dies between me and VP is irrelevant to the fact cakez is scum and needs to die

i mean
if you're scum its irrelevant <3

Dk I think we need to flip VP here because I'm starting to think if I'm somehow wrong on VP then you're right on Reck
There are a few points where VP calls Reck out that I find valid

this is so gross look at him setting up another miselim already

agar is my first choice from the pool, I still think his noraa read was very unnatural

That is your full reason for suspecting him?

you asked for a bullet point case, that was my one sentence TLDR. Do I think other things he’s said/done have also been scummy? yeah, but writing a full-blown thing would take more brain energy than I have. I can attempt it at some point but I ended up not being able to take vacation this week/worked over the weekend, so not a super priority for me since agar seems to be getting pushed plenty already.

VOTE: lillith

You seem to make a lot of excuses. I asked for simple bullet points, you provided one weak ass reason and then say anything more than that is a "full blown thing."

I think you've had an entire game to contribute something substantial, and you're completely background. I believe you that work is busy, but there is a point where it just comes across as a lack of motivation because no one is forcing you to contribute: a scum mentality

this post is like so bad

I agree especially in light of Agar scum and lilith being the counterwagon

well for starters, consider the timing of the self-hammer. What did it come after? Cakez's case wall. And my vote can't be credited as repsonsible for it given I voted AGar previously and he was at E-1 when I unvoted. The only special circumstance around the hammer was the case. My sense is the scumteam wanted cakez to get the credit for posting the case before the lim went through.

this is so dumb
i happened to write it at that time because VP wouldn't stop bugging me about it and I had some spare time and just wanted to get it done with

[SirCakez]

WOW HE GOT HAMMERED BLESS

[SirCakez]

Bulge I take back everything I ever said about you that you didn't like

[SirCakez]

after this flips scum Koba or Notsci next

[SirCakez]

Sounds like a scum who's already giving up

[SirCakez]

How is that relevant to Gamma flipping scum heavily indicating you here

[SirCakez]

I'm not discounting lilith as scum here?
It's unlikely that all scum were opposed to Gamma wagon here anyways so I doubt both Koba and you are scum

[SirCakez]

ok dude

[SirCakez]

ugh
VOTE: lilith
need to reevaluate notsci/koba

[SirCakez]

and VP

[SirCakez]

Bulge looks worse now

[SirCakez]

can't wait to fight Koba for 20 pages reeeeeeeeeeee

[SirCakez]

VP/lilith probably not scum together?

[SirCakez]

going back to who Agar was distancing with it has to be lilith I think with Gamma town flip
or outside chance of notsci I guess?

[SirCakez]

Gamma Emerald (6) : VP Baltar, SirCakez, xRECKONERx, lilith2013, Untrod Tripod, The Bulge

there must be at least one, maybe two, scum inside (VP, Reck, Lilith, UT, Bulge)

[SirCakez]

maybe scum wanted to bus lilith here because she's too busy and can't really play this game?

[SirCakez]

maybe scum wanted to bus lilith here because she's too busy and can't really play this game?

this lines up with VP scum
Agar/vp/lilith/??? (someone on VP wagon day 3)

[SirCakez]

i have to reeval UT and Reck I think

[SirCakez]

maybe scum wanted to bus lilith here because she's too busy and can't really play this game?

this lines up with VP scum
Agar/vp/lilith/??? (someone on VP wagon day 3)

VP wagon - (notscience, PookyTheMagicalBear, Gamma Emerald, DkKoba)

could be Pooky maybe? or Koba

[SirCakez]

I feel a lot better about notsci in light of Gamma townflip
Koba less so because I think a lot of their posting was very fakeable

[SirCakez]

I'm just convinced Agar had to be distancing with someone and it wasn't Gamma so that leaves few other options

[SirCakez]

Games prob over if we clear (Lilith, baltar, bulge, Cakez) in that order imo

I like this

[SirCakez]

ok move me to the front lol this is nightless so I won't feel as awful as usual if you miselim me

[SirCakez]

And clearly I'm off base here

[SirCakez]

Games prob over if we clear (Lilith, baltar, bulge, Cakez) in that order imo

I like this

My one thing with this is i do think there must have been scum in the pool who didn't vote Gamma because it doesn't make sense for all scum to have piled on him that's just not how scum teams work

[SirCakez]

It will sooth Gamma's aching soul if I am elimmed

[SirCakez]

What crack is Koba on

[SirCakez]

too bad we can't no elim and policy Koba (((

[SirCakez]

That was a joke notsci I don't think we should actually policy elim because I'm not an idiot

[SirCakez]

agar literally spewed her as town idfg how u can literally ignore that shit

Nobody knows what the fuck this means

[SirCakez]

No how did agar spew lilith town?

[SirCakez]

To me it just looks like she's the scum Agar distanced with in his few interactions with others since it wasn't Gamma