Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

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ITS HAPPENING

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Yang

, what does Yin tell us about?

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VOTE: Chara

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Oh my god i almost forgot

Hi Ydrasse hi flea hi Pooky hi ircher hi infinity hi ckidd hi Tanner hi chara hi norwe hello everybody !!

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tweet youre losing your touch.....

its been a while and i was EXCITED OK

TWEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

*FLOPS EARS*

(/ω＼) ♡

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tweeetie

tweeeetie

tweeeeeeeeetttttttttieeee

are you town? are you town? are you town?

pls pls pls pls tell me you're town I WANT TO BE CARRIED

☆⌒ヽ(*'､^*)chu
☆⌒ヽ(*'､^*)chu
☆⌒ヽ(*'､^*)chu
☆⌒ヽ(*'､^*)chu

Spoiler:

*hyperventilating slows*

yes

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yes

what if I told you I'm worried about you already >.> <.< >.> <.<

I would be exactly 0 surprised given we've 1v1'd in almost every game we've ever played

pedit: u tell him ydrasse

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A

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What's your favourite cake frosting flavour?

whats the flavour they put on red velvet? that one

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Theory.
Yang is an individual automaton. While Yin is an propaganda mouthpiece of the mafia.

That would be really cool

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ive never seen norwee so exuberant before

VOTE: norwee

Norwee is towny

Norwee is towny

I'm not impressed with him.

im closer to the Norwe is town camp

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Yin hasn't posted yet despite being asked questions. What do people think about that?

i think their controller is offline most likely

However it's also possible Yin posts once every 24h answering one question from each of us

And it's also possible that yin's answers are very well thought-out and meaningful for the gameplay so they aren't rushed (which could tie in with #2)

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Oh, that's interesting. Yin's profile picture changed from what it was before. It was a different anime guy before.

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And yet, Yin's entrance seems to align with whoever this character is.

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Oh, that's interesting. Yin's profile picture changed from what it was before. It was a different anime guy before.

To clarify, different from what it was when the game began earlier today.

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Executing is mean. I doubt even the guilty people here deserve execution. I will have Hectic transmogrify people into animals so that if they are guilty they will become uncomfortable animals and if they were innocent they will become like unicorns and stuff but even the uncomfortable animals won't be dead. We won't generate any negative qi at all!

PLEASE

Yin

, what can you tell us about the blue player(s)?

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happi scumday hectic

I like Norwe Robert and Infy

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VOTE: Robert M Hunter

Actually,

VOTE: Amy Dunne

why'd you vote for Robert first?

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Yin seems to answer questions in a way that are helpful sometimes but doesn't other times

@

Yin

Am i scum?

In some cultures, blue and green are considered the same color.

@Yin, if I asked you 50 times what the answer to 2+2 is, how often would answer 5?

I would never answer 5.

Yin

, how many actual criminals are there in the pit?

By my count....... four.

Yin, will this game be fun and what are yours and Yang’s greatest similarities/differences?

Yin and Yang are both sides of the same coin. Perfect compliments.

Personally, i think the scum this game is flavoured blue (like how in silent star 2 the town was flavoured purple)
Yin won't outright lie
There are four players who aren't town
And i think with what Yang has said, Yin is informed whereas Yang isn't

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im not sure what causes Yin's answers to be helpful vs. not helpful though

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Oh it seems really important to me that Yin's profile picture changed between when the game started and when he made his first post. He got reflavoured from whatever anime guy it was before (im pretty sure it was different) to this white top hat guy

This game was under development for a very long time. It's odd that there would be a last second change that happens during the game.

Im not quite sure that means Yin is in evil control. It is theoretically possible, cause I think the 1 post every 24 hours around midnight lends itself to being vetted by the mod if there are certain rules to Yin's posting. Maybe Yin is forced to answer a certain number of questions truthfully but can pick and choose which ones to goof off on. Idk though, Yin being evil also sounds sort of odd given Yang doesn't seem to be quite as helpful for questioning, so we'd be left with just one huge red herring.

Oh, here's another interesting distinction. It's midnight for Yin during central time. I certainly don't think they are Hectic (which would make sense given Yang is Isis, but still)

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I like Tweetie but I am needy and want her to do more <3

pedit: me too!! but i always want more from Tweetie.

(/ω＼) oh stahpp

the cumulus fact does not seem right, but i don't know enough about meteorology to confidently say it's incorrect.

Oh hm, you make a good point. I also think it's wrong although unsure if intentional

Ok maybe they are both just these weird half stump things.
But Yang seems less informed than Yin either way.

That would line up with how Yin seems to need to be careful with their words (and we get less of them) whereas Yang can run free, yeah

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Yin won't outright lie

how do you know this? >_>

i quoted all the important Yin posts and put my interpretations underneath in the same order

out of curiosity what's special about that comment from my other three?

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unless you mean, how do you know someone can't lie just cause they said they wont

Which is valid but also im still erring on the side of Yin not being evil because then our one source of info is just poisoned. im more predisposed to the idea that Yin is either neutral and follows a predetermined system to answer/not answer, or is both useful and not (Like, some comments are helpful but others are poisoned by mafia / or otherwise sabotaged)

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Tweetie are you Yin?

why don't you ask me, -- i mean -- Yin yourself

pedit: Well i wont object to that

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I did describe Isis' wedding dress as white to contrast my black one, this theory could have some merit

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Yang

, what are goats?

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i just realized

I don't know who the mafia are.

There's no reason to believe there are mafia in this game, yet. the only distinction Yang has made between good and evil is that goats are baddies and llamas are presumably the opposite

Although, I suppose Yang still told us that Yin is the one who will tell us how to spot the difference. And Yang being able to freely post does support uninformed. Something about the use of "mafia" is irking me though cause i dont think any Silent Star has had mafia in it.

Oh well it was werewolves vs mafia in 1 actually nvm. It was conspirators in 3 though which was messing me up. Menagerie (2) had mafia too. Mm, maybe not

That also might actually suggest Yang doesn't know about the scum though if im right and there aren't mafia. So maybe uninformed is right. Ill still keep it in the back of my mind

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i like Amy. tanner has a lot of bite which i think is lightly good

to answer why i said i liked robert earlier, i think a lot of his reads are surfacey level but it randomly spiked to being serious ish on Tanner -- and he didnt explain his thought process until prompted by tanner, and he didnt make a push out of it really. It just didnt seem particularly scum motivated to me, i think he's been scummy on a basic level and has attracted attention for no gain

@Amy

Her question was bad imo, and her posts on the last pages didn't give me an impression of "this is town! Morning" or "town reasoning/perspective for sure".

Confused what was bad about it.

What do you make of me changing votes in ai terms?

You voted Robert and then voted Amy within the next 60 seconds -- so it was unlikely you had read material between the votes. I was interested in your thought process for the switching votes, since it has the possibility of being performative or towny depending on your response. I didnt really get anything out of it but 0 minute vote swaps are usually intriguing to me early game

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I am curious as to why you found the question bad though now, if i may ask

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amy saying yang would be obviously town aligned made me question the alignments in a different way

the possibilities are like, town/mafia, but i don’t know if we should put stock into one as definitively one or another as they might be their own independent things...?

I'm not sure they can have alignments because they're not players -- "Non-Player Characters"

Course, it's Hectic so I suppose anything is possible. i like the idea that they're observers/governors of the game a lot more though

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Yin

, why did your account's identity change to Kaitou Kid?

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Tweet was solving in mafiascum rpg more, and I can't know this for sure but I feel that mech was more important to focus on in that game

There was no creativity involved with that mech so i wasnt into it

also, i know it's been a while, but i actually didnt start solving til day two. I was a consensus scumread day one (≧∀≦)

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She says I'm town which is silly cause I've barely been playing.

i townread the below post cause you've used a frustrated emoticon in response to being called scum in every game i've played with u thus far LOL

Silly sure but i also have a large tendency to townread you. Did you know ive townread you in every game we've played thus far? That's gotta be at least five games

you're off your game infy

are you a baddie or something

No :/

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I probably should've mentioned that I decided that earlier

PEdit: am I wrong about how much solving tweet would do at this point? Maybe I am

She did a lot of mech in rpg

you're completely off the mark on that one

You're judging the mech based on how important it is rather than how invested I am in it, which is a little odd. I'm prioritizing fun, not optimal play

I agree the mech in that game was arguably more important. But i didnt like how there was a best strategy and i didnt take a lot of time to learn it cause i was afk the first couple days (see: volunteering for guillotine D1). Whereas this game is mysterious and fun, like a puzzle. And im also in a much better place for this one.

I stepped up D2 and beyond in order to coordinate the night actions which i had some fun with though, yeah. You're forgetting that I didnt get invested in the game til a lot further down, though

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I feel like you had good reasons to townread me in the other games but ok

i think i did too ya

Especially deja and rpg

My point was that i think the way you play usually comes off as towny to me though -- exhibit a, finding the frustrated emoticon use towny. I only bring that up cause i've townread that type of post in all our games, i just didnt mention it in those games cause it was so small in those ones and they were usually later in the game.

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she also didn't do anything for the first couple of days if I remember correctly

harsh!!! True though

No, I'm not vibing with the Robert wagon.

There's a decent chance he's weird-town instead of weird-scum (although the lack of participation after the ''what'' was scummy).

I like your thoughts on Robert and Amy

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I mean, Tanner had a town ping on Robert before 219 happened.

Scum!Robert would simply ignore this to ''forge'' a false reasoning to scumread Tanner?

doubtful, i didnt even notice that. More reasoning to think Robert's just awkward. Im struggling to see the scum motivation

Pretty sure clidd asked me for my thoughts somewhere

@Morning

Can I see your impressions on the players?

Amy Dunne - i like her posts today
Ydrasse - correct evaluation of my play now versus rpg, could be a good sign if infinity is scum but also might just be Ydrasse reading me better cause she knows. will need more
Flea The Magician - idk flea's good
PookyTheMagicalBear - idk pooky's good. Someone mentioned he doesnt come across as evil this game which i think is lightly true, i usually scumlean pooky more by now
Ircher - idk
Infinity 324 - Random townping as i mentioned, still evaluating her read on me
clidd - i like a lot of your thoughts and i think your read on me might just be wrong and not bad motivated
Morning Tweet - bat
Robert M Hunter - ive prolly gone over this enough
Tanner - has a bit of edginess and yeah others pointed that out already but i do kinda like it
Satoru Nakata - idk
Chara - idk
NorwegianBoyEE - i like his early game and this was my first townping although its probably comparatively weaker than others

can you tell ive got a lot of energy today

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the cumulus fact does not seem right, but i don't know enough about meteorology to confidently say it's incorrect.

Aren't those stratus?

Yeah wow yin get your shit together

cumulonimbus i thinkj

And yeah, as Ircher said, it is close. Cumulus is usually a signal of good weather though which kind of irks me about it.

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Maybe it's just your mental process, but I don't understand how interpreting an exchange of votes occurring in seconds would give you any idea of ​​performative/genuine action from me. Regardless, I'm comfortable with you atm after seeing your recent posts.

Voting someone than going "hm, actually" and voting someone else is something i consider doing as scum a lot to give the appearance of thought behind my vote without using any effort

Whereas as town i'd have some kind of actual thought process or just actually vote the right person first. i try to decipher the difference between town/scum thoughts on the action although idk if there is an easily tangible one or not. Still something i always question when i see it!

i have an idea of how you play @mt but also have an idea or rather assumption that infinity should recognize these things and not jump to the vote that readily

also she didn’t have any gutpings about you when she voted you which especially early game i attribute to infinity

I think your evaluation is very fair.

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Yang

, by your estimate, what nonnegative integer number of batlings do I have?

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Eww, reads lists.

eWe, ReAdS LiStS

thats u. thats what u sound like

Tweetie i want some of your energy. let me siphon it. is it bad to just coast and let Tweetie play day 1 for me?

is what i might say. in another life. i feel like i'm looking at town Tweetie here, and i want to say that about Ydrasse too.

you can have some!!! i can definitely spare it

ok friends are calling me, i got to go so i will finish the rest of this a bit quicker - liking tweetie's posts bc energy but also not really worrying about her as she's one of my "will probably stop being so townie later if scum" reads

i have never seen a scum Tweetie but i think if she feels town she is town, and if this ends up not being the case i'll learn my lesson. but also i feel like i remember her being similar to me as scum where she can't keep it up forever.

Yall are gonna feel so dumb when i finally have a scum game where i dont get tired at the end

But no you're right

my town game tends to ramp up whereas scum game tends to start higher and decline. i think my town game has a lot of exceptions cause it's inconsistent but in general im more comfortable with more content

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Yang

, what happens after Tanner is eliminated or nightkilled?

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Scum can certainly vanish as a response to pressure, that can even work to relieve it sometimes. And of course it might be unrelated to alignment anyway

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VOTE: Chara

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Ydrasse HAS to be town this time. please

(not just cause of gamblers but also just play so far)

PLEASE YDRASSE

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I'm so glad most of the game has given stances and reacted to the robert thing by this point

I read through but basically everything I saw just made me continue to think what I already think so i need a more discerning read thru another time

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I would consider sliding off to Pooky or Nakata presently

basically im voting you cause oOoOo Yang implicated you and I'm not feeling Robert rn. You can very well be either alignment with ease as of yet. mor readig latr

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ha i premetively answered ur question

it's less that I scumread more that im voting the best i have

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thaaaats pooky

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i find it insane that people are voting based on info we don’t know to trust

@chara i was irritated but less so right now it’s just frustrating to see that and it felt like a little jab at me despite what i was saying even if i know you don’t do that sort of thing

i also find this wild, i'm surprised Tweetie cited Yang (i'm assuming she meant Yin?) on voting me there.

but as for the rest, it was definitely not a jab at you at all, i did listen to your read and it's informed my TR on you right now. i just voted with that timing because Norwee made me laugh, nothing to do with you.

its less about whether or not i believe Yang is a good source of info and more that it's a conceivable possibility so i want to see who goes with it

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lol i knew robert was town

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Ask me anything about pokemon

yang

, favourite and least favourite eeveelution?

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lol i knew robert was town

Why?

1d1 townread god

(i didnt know i just thought he was and feel vindicated now)

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VOTE: Nakata

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Here's a read, clidd is scum who refuses to give up on an easy elimination that looks like it could come to fruition soon.

clidd was like your most vocal defender though?

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Objectively there are no reasons to town read me that hold water.

But then, the reasons to scum read me seem very opportunistic. Why are players hung up scum-reading me into page 25 or so, because they pretend to be baffled that I didn't know that Datisi = Tanner? They are hanging on to this notion because they know I'm the easy player to eliminate because I work all day long and don't have the leisure to play all day and defend myself immediately, so that false accusations simmer.

so if the reasons to townread u are bad, and the reasons to scumread you are also bad

why are you suspecting either read over the other exactly?

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What if we have a

DEEPWOLF

(Stares intently at some particular users)

bahhh How deep can a wolf possibly get during the first half of d1

i hav high hopes for this game

Robert tanner clidd townbloc go

im entertaining adding infini andor amy

edajjmndj gka

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help pooky is infiltrating my heart

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Nakata thinks that Morning Tweet continuing to interrogate Robert in the manner of 776 and 778 means that Morning Tweet is presenting as being unsure of his alignment

That's wrong! I think Robert is evaluating clidd / his defenders incorrectly, but that does NOT mean I am questioning his alignment! I am free to disagree with the thought processes of anybody, no?

And i actually think it's more important to devote time debating and changing minds with your townreads

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lol i knew robert was town

what made you sure Robert was town from that?

wait from his wagon reaction or from earlier back in the game? It was a hunch back then but now it's pretty strong. I'll probably elaborate on why his reaction comes off as towny later if that's what u mean

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@Morning

Could you describe the transition from your past and current impression of Nakata before the vote? Did you have any influence from a particular post (quote) or was it a spontaneous conclusion? (considering that the vote took place late).

No impression of Nakata in the past, i cannot remember a transition. It's because I wanted to slip off Chara wagon onto a wagon i have higher hopes for -- in this case, it was cause i disapprove of Robert wagon and i like ydrasse/infy/whoever was voting nakata.

But I dont have much impression of nakata themself yet and am hoping to obtain that

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mt day1 town block with me

consider it done

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Being angry, sure, enh. My townread mostly comes from the progression of accusations he made which were very nonsensical and contradictory but extremely reminiscent of town reactions I've seen in previous games

Robert was actually concerned that his defenders were scum so he didnt know what to do (I do this myself as town a lot). He accused his attackers. He accused like everyone -- and sure it came across as genuine to me yeah. and of course it lines up with the read i already had. i currently would be most surprised if he flips scum

Also like i havent gotten suuuper into the case against him but like his push on Tanner earlier being awkward/bad certainly didnt come across as scummy to me

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i think scum screws up sometimes but i am kinda failing to see what was explicitly scummy about Robert's play. I'll devote more time to reading that when I can

D1 TOWNBLOCCCCCC GOOOOOOOOOOOOKGKG

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townbloccing is different to trying to force a townbloc

How can you reliably tell those apart?

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explanations:

Ircher's straight trolling and I don't even see him pretending to solve.

Infinity has decided to take a vacation on a beach somewhere.

I dunno what Chara is doing with this OMGUS thing but it's kind of wierd so I threw Chara in there for lulz

in my game with scum!Ircher he had much more of a guise of playing than here. But so has most of his town games. very peculiar! I suppose I'd be more likely to chop him but i wouldnt be surprised at either flip

Infinity i have a very small gut level town but i think it's fair that she has dropped off way more than I'm used to. I think it was Ydrasse that mentioned infinity usually has some gut level stuff by now and even if its not substantiated, infinity usually has something to believe. Such as attacking Chrome early in rpg. I dont think there's been any of that here. Very fair evaluation.

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Pooky can be either alignment do not be fooled

He might be slightly +town i guess cause I usually see him either tryhard or lolcat as scum whereas this is more of an in between which is very common for him.... maybe

Amy is probably more town because I dont think i've seen her make this kind of read as scum but i see it very often as town

i don't like those posts. it's Ircher providing commentary on the situation and on Nakata's posting without actually committing to an opinion.

Well, I like Infinity’s catchup, so I don’t think I want to vote her anymore.

So, you would lim Ircher then, is what I’m getting from this?

yes, i don't think Ircher's been town. none of his commentary has been very bad or objectionable but i really can't get past the idea that he knows he's being unreadable on purpose and he knows there's a tendency to not want to elim slots like that early on.

but i'm also a little hesitant to pursue it because there is a reason for town Ircher to play like this, i just think it sucks. but ultimately his posting has felt really slimy and... purposely helpful and yet not risky at all.

It's true actually that some of Ircher's posting gives a guise of playing now that i look at it a bit harder (like "purposefully helpful" as you said). Maybe a good place to look

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i don't like those posts. it's Ircher providing commentary on the situation and on Nakata's posting without actually committing to an opinion.

the posts by ircher are fair but like you're right that they're not very opinionated. Like it's a very obvious thing that Nakata isn't being pushed for their manner of speaking

Friend Flea shouldn't vote for Nakata, Nakata is not a baddie and scum will win if they are able to eliminate friends like Nakata just because Nakata doesn't speak like everyone else!

Uh, no one is trying to eliminate you based on the way you're speaking...

Why is Nakata being called Rival? Nakata is not a Rival, Nakata is a friend. Nakata thinks the baddies these game are conspiring against him because of his manner of speaking.

I think it's really problematic that you think this is the reason you are being pushed.

This actually kinda seems like adding heat to the fire without committing to an opinion, yeah

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Going by my experience of your slot and that you've managed to fool me into thinking you were town once. I'd say you're objectively not "obvtown", so if you would not act so presumptuous as to assume that everyone who says otherwise is scum it would really help in reading you if you actually ARE town here.
Now i'd say you're more likely leaning town than not, but claiming that you are town with 100% certainty i would absolutely not.

Just highlighting this cause i think it's fair -- that's how I am currently perceiving Amy as well.

Infinity seems like they are very sad they rolled scum in this game.

There's no energy, no spark of life. Nothing.

Maybe. Although not always a result of being scum, of course

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I have like actually kind of decent TRs on Amy, Robert, and Tanner

i have small gut townleans on clidd, Ydrasse, Norwe

I'm feeling kind of sympathetic to an Ircher elim

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VOTE: Ircher

Dont ask me why i keep creating entire new posts for votes this game i'm forgetting how to play or something >.>

Yang

, what animals are there besides llamas and goats in this game?

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Yin

, how many criminals are there within Amy, Robert, and Tanner?

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Nooooooo not the classic silent star fuckery coming innnn its too earlyyyy

Robert, what is your current read on exactly

clidd

and

Tanner

?

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i've not exactly ruled out "lazy scum!pooky whose partners aren't in danger so he's fine chilling and doing nothing" yet. i'll admit there's nothing exactly pointing there yet, but... i'm keeping it in mind.

I disagree about it being a trust tell as its a belief she has of my play.

also if you think its lazy pooky scum with safe partners, who are my partners?

i don't "think" that, i just acknowledge it's a (at the moment unlikely) possibility. and no fucking clue. that would mean this town is full of deepwolves, so it's not something i want to think about on day one.

will respond to other things in a second, but before i do so i wanna point out - robert's ircher vote is disgusting. to the point where i wonder if robert is a jester.

I don't think he's a jester, his reaction to his wagon earlier in the game was too good and doesn't make a lot of sense for someone who would want the wagon to continue

Something being strange about his play is totally possible though

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Spoiler: robert posts

I'm actually more suspicious of the players defending me, because it's blatantly obvious that I won't survive into the night to use my power, and it's very safe for them to say I'm town when they know I'm town.

I feel shitting scum reading the only players that read me correctly, so I'm very conflicted.

Anyway, if I could be a ghost after I get eliminated, that's where I'd look. The players that defended me.

I meant "I feel shitty scum reading" etc.

Objectively there are no reasons to town read me that hold water.

But then, the reasons to scum read me seem very opportunistic. Why are players hung up scum-reading me into page 25 or so, because they pretend to be baffled that I didn't know that Datisi = Tanner? They are hanging on to this notion because they know I'm the easy player to eliminate because I work all day long and don't have the leisure to play all day and defend myself immediately, so that false accusations simmer.

There's no conflict between being perceived as a threat and being an easy elimination.

You are being disingenuous when you pretend not to understand that I meant to say that there will be scum in both people that defend me or vote forme.

I don't actually believe I am a threat to scum, I was just lashing out.

Here's a read, clidd is scum who refuses to give up on an easy elimination that looks like it could come to fruition soon.

This stretch of posts by Robert reflects as particularly good to me. Something about attacking his defenders and in his mind sealing his fate comes off as towny to me and is a thought i have pretty often as town in that scenario actually.

However, i will grant you that Robert's scumhunting usually seems to be accusing or disagreeing with whoever the biggest wagon at the time is (828, 860, 1188 for example), or being like "Scum are killing meee" (1190, 724) which doesnt come across as very deep thinking

Maybe scum Robert got lucky or knew that those posts would reflect as townie, still seems a tad unlikely to me but im considering. There is also clidd's point earlier this game where Robert illogically attacks Tanner out of the gate even though Tanner had townleaned him prior. Yeah scum makes mistakes though

i think if clidd is giving scum a pass for playing suboptimally this game, it's probably for Ircher

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Not saying that it's +town, but I would really like to know what's the game plan (if any) of scum!Ircher.

Probably like, focus on Yin/Yang and occasionally chip in on the current main suspects without committing much

Like a toned down version of whatever Robert is doing

It's not a conscious plan but one scum could easily fall into yeah. they don't need to be primary wagon drivers, i certainly tend not to be

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@Yin:

Do you speak Cantonese or Mandarin?

Ircher instead of asking dumb questions, how about focusing on the actual game?

I am to an extent.

this also kinda comes off like "I have a secret plan, it may not make sense but don't worry abt it" which sort of comes off as a bit scummy. Probably getting confirm biased though

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We could policy-elim Robert, but meh.

For violating which policy?

This stretch of posts by Robert reflects as particularly good to me. Something about attacking his defenders and in his mind sealing his fate comes off as towny to me and is a thought i have pretty often as town in that scenario actually.

What do you mean by sealing his fate? He hasn't really accepted that he'll be limmed. Also, while it's perhaps less conventional to attack one's attackers, he didn't give off a particularly strong basis for that line of thought. His argument boiled down to a probabilistic one, so I'd be skeptical of giving a player a pass for that.

Saying "Kill the people defending me after I die" is more or less resigned thinking. It's like the opposite of survivalism combined with seeming to give a care about what happens after you die

Maybe not sealing his fate although Robert proceeded to vote clidd who was his most vocal defender

Hm. Sort of a pattern of Robert attacking people townreading him this game

[Morning Tweet]

@Morning

Yep, I understand the simplicity with which scum!Ircher could be approaching the "alternative style" angle to try to stay off the radar. The problem is that, like Robert, I don't see a clear picture in my mind of scum!Ircher embracing this strategy (on purpose or not).

I mean, even if scum!Ircher chose this path, it would be evident that he would have to adapt to the fact that more slots are participating more actively in the game (which would eventually highlight him by PoE due to his coasting), therefore, it would make more sense imo if scum!he tried to fit inside the discussion in a more meaningful way, perhaps with pre-created reads (presented in a way that tried to convey genuineness) to "keep" the illusion of participation/scumhunting (something that didn't happen).

I agree with you that it would be more optimal if Ircher employed that strategy -- but I still think it's a relatively easy strategy and a conceivable one for him to just coast as he has been doing without committing to much, focusing on the mechanics, and so on

Actively keeping the illusion of scumhunting is much more difficult and isn't something you just choose to do, ya know

[Morning Tweet]

Which also makes me think that the occasional sudden appearances probably point to a disorganization that would be harmful to scum!he (and something that scum!he would try to avoid, but town!he probably wouldn't care much).

Hm, that's not a bad point. I am more.. deliberate with posting as scum and could see that

However, I feel like his posting earlier this game targetted Nakata (who was under fire at the time) with fairly reasonable but very easy to make observations that didn't necessarily make Nakata scum but certainly had the appearance of adding fuel to the fire for their elim (978 + 979). Idk if that makes sense. Ircher targets one of the wagons to point out some mistakes they are making, which I think may have been done to appear like he's doing something while also reflecting poorly on Nakata whilst not locking Ircher to any stances.

Scrolling thru Ircher's ISO, there isn't much that deviates much from soft stances, reasonable and very agreeable takes, n the like.

Amy you can't be obvtown yet - 1143
Aforementined Nakata posts - 978/979
Robert you aren't saying much - 732

Most of the rest is engaging Yin/Yang sort of mysteriously. Very early game Ircher wasn't impressed with Norwe and found Flea/Tanner to be town, which are harder stances than he's been giving recently

[Morning Tweet]

In other words, scum!Ircher as a scenario would work better if he had changed his stance to avoid being PoE'd, which would include a more organized posting in the sense of "delivering convincing reads", fewer sporadic appearances and a greater interest in being "seen with good eyes" than "hey, I'll do my own thing here y'know".

As I see it, he's not that different since the beginning of the game, so I don't see adaptability on his part (which is what I see scum!Ircher having)

pedit: hi

i think if Ircher is town you're probably on to something -- Cause in other games, Ircher usually gets around to composing flashy readslists which i think come off way better. He would probably know that and try to "appease" our reads with something that'll be perceived good like one of those.

However in this game he's appearing occasionally to comment on things and is generally not really trying hard to look any certain way

Dunno though. Ppl are inconsistent and this still fits the bill for lower activity/motivation scum

[Morning Tweet]

Yin

, how many criminals are there within clidd, Ydrasse, and NorwegianboyEE?

[Morning Tweet]

@Yin

What is the maximum number of votes a member of the scumteam has received so far?

5 votes.

If this is not bullshit it means there’s scum in Ircher/Infinity/Robert as those have all had 5 votes.[/quote]Well... from the wording of the question it means that

"A member of the scumteam has not received more than five votes yet."

Isn't this technically every player?

[Morning Tweet]

According to Yin:

- There is scum in Ircher/Infinity/Nakata
- There is scum in Norwee/Pooky/Chara
- There are 3 factions (Repeated twice)
- Yang is not an criminal.
- Pooky has voted for a criminal at some point. (Voted slots before post 981: Chara/Tanner/Morning Tweet/Ydrasse)

Also, there is zero or one scum in Amy/Robert/Tanner.

[Morning Tweet]

Well actually Morning Tweet, the answer is specifically that "a least 1 member of the scum team has received at least five votes up to this point"
Meaning Yin is saying there is a scum in Ircher/Infinity/Nakata.

Ah, it looked like "The most any scumteam member has been voted is 5 times" to me.

But that makes a lot more sense if accurate

[Morning Tweet]

According to Yin:

- There is scum in Ircher/Infinity/Nakata
- There is scum in Norwee/Pooky/Chara
- There are 3 factions (Repeated twice)
- Yang is not an criminal.
- Pooky has voted for a criminal at some point. (Voted slots before post 981: Chara/Tanner/Morning Tweet/Ydrasse)

Also, there is zero or one scum in

Amy

/Robert/Tanner.

0-1 really doesn’t tell us anything.

Well I think it reflects well on that being my current town bloc, at least. If you reverse it, that means there's guaranteed 2 town.

pedit: "The most any scumteam member has been voted is 5 times" is useless cause no one has gone over 5. Unless someone has.

[Morning Tweet]

Ydrasse I'm more saddened by you at this, you've more experience with Silent Star than me. You know it's going to be screwy.
Yin and Yang are somehow core to this setup, the games subtitle is those two. Rather than write off what they're saying, why not try and work out what they're saying?

our roles in silent star 3 were complete red herrings, I wouldn't discount that some mechanics can be deceiving

But I do want yin yang to be useful given they're in the title of the game

[Morning Tweet]

I don't know what ircher's doing but I don't see a scum motivation

Do you see a town one?

[Morning Tweet]

UNVOTE: back on in a bit

[Morning Tweet]

Maybe scum Robert got lucky or knew that those posts would reflect as townie, still seems a tad unlikely to me but im considering.

There is also clidd's point earlier this game where Robert illogically attacks Tanner out of the gate even though Tanner had townleaned him prior.

Yeah scum makes mistakes though

reading this reminded me that at the time robert attacked me, i was the most popular collective scumread. is it weird that at this point, i am close to wondering if robert has a post restriction where he's only able to attack whoever is currently the top wagon?

Oh. Hm. So that's at least three times now -- Tanner, Nakata, Ircher.

i have just spent a grand total of 45 seconds skimming robert's iso in this game, and i am back to really wanting to kill him. okay, thanks for listening.

What is it about that game that implies he's scum this game? Ah, it seems like he's trying harder in the beginning, I guess, with big reads posts and the like.

i dont think he's had that deep content this game but i suppose i grant more weight to Robert's wagon reaction than you do

[Morning Tweet]

@Pooky

Don't worry, these are just a few questions.

Spoiler:

(1) What do you think about Nakata voting Ircher?

(2) Assuming an Ircher scumflip, which hypothetical partners would you have in mind?

(3) What do you think about Nakata?

(4) What do you think about Nakata' initial paranoia on the players who were inside his wagon?

(5) Which post reflects you as the most scummy(or towny) from Nakata's iso?

(6) What do you think about Robert?

(7) Do you see scum motivation in Robert's actions?

(8) Which post reflects you as the most scummy(or towny) from Robert's iso?

(9) What do you think about Chara?

(10) You already played with scum!Chara, do you see any similarities or differences from the current game's Chara to the scum!Chara from your experience?

(11) Which post reflects you as the most scummy(or towny) from Chara's iso?

(12) What do you think about Infinity?

(13) Which post reflects you as the most scummy(or towny) from Infinity's iso?

(14) What do you think about Norwegian?

(15) Which post reflects you as the most scummy(or towny) from Norwegian's iso?

(16) What do you think about Tanner?

(17) Is Tanner outside of his scum-range in this game (in your opinion)?

(18) What do you think about Tanner's insistence on pushing/eliminating Robert?

(19) Which post reflects you as the most scummy(or towny) from Tanner's iso?

(20) What do you think about Ydrasse?

(21) You already saw what scum!Ydrasse looks like, is there any difference/similarity with Ydrasse in the current game?

(22) Which post reflects you as the most scummy(or towny) from Ydrasse's iso?

(23) What do you think about Morning Tweet?

(24) Which post reflects you as the most scummy(or towny) from Morning's iso?

(25) What do you think about Flea?

(26) Which post reflects you as the most scummy(or towny) from Flea's iso?

pedit: ???

i love this

[Morning Tweet]

maybe robert is just not a logical person lol

maybe although that'd explain why he makes terrible pushes as scum as well

I don't know what ircher's doing but I don't see a scum motivation

Do you see a town one?

Townies are weird sometimes

@clidd Is there something you're most interested in? I might do a readslist later but I'm lazy and I might not

Yeah but scum also doesn't want to play sometimes or is demotivated and plays bad

i think the hope that someone says "townies are weird" is basically why scum threatens to self hammer at all

[Morning Tweet]

i have just spent a grand total of 45 seconds skimming robert's iso in this game, and i am back to really wanting to kill him. okay, thanks for listening.

What is it about that game that implies he's scum this game? Ah, it seems like he's trying harder in the beginning, I guess, with big reads posts and the like.

i dont think he's had that deep content this game but i suppose i grant more weight to Robert's wagon reaction than you do

like, the fact that he seemed to be thinking about the game there? and here it seems to be just going with the most popular scumreads, appearing when the pressure is on him then dissappearing?

Maybe, i was giving him more time before considering him to be disappeared.

[Morning Tweet]

Honestly there's more scum motivation to intent to hammer yourself without a claim or anything and then just leaving than there is for town

I don't think anyone should be townreading that

[Morning Tweet]

I had the same thought Tanner

But I already had Infinity kind of low so dunno if that biased me

[Morning Tweet]

im starting to feel very outside of the loop of something

pedit: If Ircher is a jester he'd have to be unable to vote himself for some reason

[Morning Tweet]

Hectic used to like Jesters but i *think* they fell out of favour with him. Don't quote me on that tho

I feel more strongly that killing Ircher is beneficial to us

pedit: Wait has Ircher never voted anyone?

[Morning Tweet]

I don't think he's a Jester, he still maintained a semblance of playing and tended to attack the bigger wagons. Doesn't make sense if you want those wagons to live.

[Morning Tweet]

I don't think he's a Jester, he still maintained a semblance of playing and tended to attack the bigger wagons. Doesn't make sense if you want those wagons to live.

Less attack, more "shading", but you get the idea. Why do that as Jester?

[Morning Tweet]

I think if Ircher were protown he wouldn't be secretive about his role, as he has been. He's not working with us -- instead trying to get out of the game without sharing any info.

i mean, if he is a jester isn't shading what you want to do? like, subtle and not in your face

but tbh at this point ircher is clearly in our faces so ...

Why do it to the people who have the most heat on them?

As jester you wanna be loud, surely! And probably not against the scummiest people in the game. Ircher's play lines more up with hanging back, to me..

[Morning Tweet]

Ircher, do you have any takes on the players so far?

I don't remember you expressing your impressions yet.

Not really. I'm trying something a bit different this game; a bit more of an advisory role so to speak.

I'm convinced something's influenced Ircher to play this way.

I still feel like his intent was to blend in and play with us though. Take this post for example, he's preemptively covering up that he's going to play weird..

[Morning Tweet]

Ircher, do you have any takes on the players so far?

I don't remember you expressing your impressions yet.

Not really. I'm trying something a bit different this game; a bit more of an advisory role so to speak.

I'm convinced something's influenced Ircher to play this way.

I still feel like his intent was to blend in and play with us though. Take this post for example, he's preemptively covering up that he's going to play weird..

Do you think it could possibly have something to do with his role or just a conscious choice?

Either way he's been doing it all along. I think it's more likely his role -- that would explain no early game vote and why he was hyper fixated on the mechanics from the start

I really feel like his intent was to seem like he was contributing

Whatever it is, it's not protown. If we're gonna be punished for taking him out so be it and I'll hammer or whatever but i don't think he's going to be jester.

[Morning Tweet]

Intent to hammer. Speak now or forever hold your peace.

This makes me think something bad will happen if he self-hammers.

Well why didnt he self hammer then

[Morning Tweet]

My guess is that it was a last ditch WIFOM attempt

I think it's most likely that Ircher is evil and has to play with a setback cause his play comes across as trying to blend in the background and survive to me

[Morning Tweet]

If he were going to do something bad to the people on his wagon, why would he warn us of that?

[Morning Tweet]

But why does Ircher not vote anybody at the beginning of the game, refused to do so when asked, and say he's trying something experimental? If it's his own decision, then that means he planned faking some kind of restriction from the beginning which is possible but seems sort of odd play to me. But yeah, possible

[Morning Tweet]

If he were going to do something bad to the people on his wagon, why would he warn us of that?

So you think it’s wifom and an attempt into frightening us into unvoting him?

I think he was just being cheeky and answering Pooky's question of "Why are you intenting to self hammer?" by showing he's at X-1.

[Morning Tweet]

I'm going to vote out Ircher but i wanna see what Yin says at midnight first

[Morning Tweet]

I would like to see what Yin says at midnight

If you believe Ircher is anti town I don't think you should put him at X-1 yet

[Morning Tweet]

I would like to see what Yin says at midnight

If you believe Ircher is anti town I don't think you should put him at X-1 yet

Why not?

If he has the ability to self hammer then he will do it to rob us of that information

[Morning Tweet]

It's true, Ircher has had plenty of time to say anything. But he left at "I'll self hammer" and kept it at that.

[Morning Tweet]

I would like to see what Yin says at midnight

If you believe Ircher is anti town I don't think you should put him at X-1 yet

Why not?

If he has the ability to self hammer then he will do it to rob us of that information

He isn’t going to give us any information regardless. I think that’s been really beyond obvious.

No I mean Yin's information. Yin comes at midnight and I want to hear what he says before we kill Ircher.

[Morning Tweet]

It's been 2 hours. ?

He's been online the whole time ??? He also hasn't said jack about why he wants to self hammer, or anything.

[Morning Tweet]

Ircher why won't you tell us what's influencing your play?

[Morning Tweet]

Nakata thinks that should be reconsidered. Nakata thinks Morning Tweet has been flying under the radar and should at the very least be re-examined before ending the day.

what?!?!?!!?

[Morning Tweet]

does someone want to give Chara a crash course on the weird stuff that's been in Silent Star? i'm not really in the right mood to start reading through a bunch of mechanics in past games, but i will if i have to.

Silent Star: Lunacy -- All of the townies were placed into werewolf factions, falsely believing they were 2 man scumteams. There was also one solo werewolf. However, there were 3 mafia who were placed into these werewolf factions who were just pretending to be werewolves with the townies. So... mafia pretending to be werewolves with a town who thought they were werewolves.

Silent Star: Menagerie -- All of the players are forced to communicate with only animal noises on day one and day two, no night one. The voting was to nominate two people for possible elimination. After the nominations, the animal noise post restrictions ceased. After the elimination, the remaining scum loverize the players according to a set of rules and the rest of the game is played out.

Silent Star: Royalty -- 6/13 players are scum, but they cannot allow any of the scum to be eliminated. After two days, 4 of the scum kill themselves. I'm not sure what happened afterwards.

i see everyone else already explained it but whatever i took like 3 min to write that and im not deleting it

there is this one part of my brain that is like "nakata do be right tho... tweetie don't feel blindingly obviously town..." and i think i'm starting to lose it

brUH

[Morning Tweet]

It feels like something is screwing with Ircher, Nakata, Infinity, and Robert doesn't it

And NONE of them have denied this yet

Can some of you do that so we can be less paranoid ??

[Morning Tweet]

Actually, that would probably achieve the opposite effect, assuring me there's nothing wrong might make it worse

[Morning Tweet]

I would probably ask Yin if there's something influencing Ircher/Nakata/Infinity/Robert's posts/votes. (narrowed down of course)

I dont know if it's votes, reads, or who specifically is getting messed with, but something's happening to at least some of them

[Morning Tweet]

It feels like something is screwing with Ircher, Nakata, Infinity, and Robert doesn't it

And NONE of them have denied this yet

Can some of you do that so we can be less paranoid ??

“Screwing?”. or do you mean “screwy”?

Because I only see “screwing” wrt Ircher and not the other 3, so could you elaborate?

Something messing with them.

Ircher is the most blatantly off this game, but...

Robert has only attacked the most pushed player in the game at the time (Tanner -> Nakata -> Ircher)

Infinity feels extremely off but hard to explain. It doesn't help they seem blissfully unaware that we're saying they seem off. Her read on Ircher just doesn't make sense to me

Nakata admitedly might not be but switching off of Ircher to me seems bonkers to me

Out of them I don't *think* Robert is scum but Infinity and Nakata are questionable to me

[Morning Tweet]

I think the evil faction is flavoured as a blue colour, whatever that could mean

And there's probably a 3P

So lots of room for weird stuff happening

[Morning Tweet]

Nakata thinks Morning Tweet is angling to get an easy miselim today but also to be setup to push him and/or Infinity 324 tomorrow or on D3.

So you think my suspicions on Ircher are misplaced? This only makes sense if you think Ircher isn't reasonably suspicious...

[Morning Tweet]

I am very disappointed that the Ircher wagon disintegrated, I thought we had hit a artery with it.

It didn't, we're just waiting for Yin info.

Robert, is something messing with your votes/reads this game?

[Morning Tweet]

I understand that people are saying I'm off, I don't really know how to respond to it. Yes I'm not putting as much effort in as usual, I don't have that much motivation for mafia right now but I'm not sure why it would imply that I'm scum or some unknown other alignment

Just cause Silent Star causes people to act weird. I can only imagine how strange Royalty was to play for townies.

Maybe you're just demotivated, I could still see it. I strongely urge you to review Ircher some more, your read of him just doesn't add up for me and I also probably missed what makes you prefer Nakata so strongly

[Morning Tweet]

I don't see how my ircher read doesn't add up? The narrative of say he's gonna play this game differently --> plays differently by doing nothing still makes zero sense to me as scum, even if he doesn't want to play scum he can at least give a couple reads or something.

His play not making sense as scum doesn't make him town

Plus like, I think it does make sense for him to WIFOM self hammering as scum

If Ircher were town, don't you think he'd be explaining to us why he's not voting or barely doing any reads rather than act like it's some kind of experimental playstyle like he called it earlier? He's not working with us at all, he's being secretive

knowing this series, if someone knows something I dont and is being mysterious, that's not a terribly good sign. It doesnt have to make sense to me -- I'm the uninformed one, he probably isnt

[Morning Tweet]

Nakata thinks Amy Dunne’s suggestion that he’s trying to create a distraction is misplaced, or that she should be TRing him for it if that’s what she really thinks he’s doing. If Nakata were scum trying to save a buddy, then Amy Dunne is right that Nakata would be foolish to try and mislim Morning Tweet. However, if Nakata thinks he’s likely to die soon (which he does) then it makes sense for Nakata to use his vote to bring attention to slots that are neglected for any players that decide to review Nakata’s takes once he flips town. Admittedly, Nakata doesn’t have great reads so he might be wrong, but Nakata thinks Morning Tweet has created a pocket on her “townbloc” and now just wants to powerwolf through the game by limming those not in said townbloc.

Im curious why you think you're likely to die soon.

You were JUST voting Ircher with me. How can you turn around and suspect that I'm trying to get an easy miselim on Ircher and then kill off whoever next. That is so confusing

[Morning Tweet]

THINK, NAKATA, THINK! If I'm trying to get an easy miselim on Ircher, that means Ircher is town and just limbait

However, you yourself thought that Ircher was suspicious up til now. And nothing about Ircher has changed.

So......???????????????

That's why your switch is boggling

[Morning Tweet]

Even if Ircher is town, the fact that he is suspicious hasn't changed. The fact YOU found him suspicious hasn't changed.

So why is me suspecting him a problem? AND WHY ME SPECIFICALLY

[Morning Tweet]

His play not making sense as scum doesn't make him town

Yes it does?

If ircher isn't town he certainly isn't trying to avoid getting limmed. I guess he could be a jester or something. Either way I don't think he's trying to survive until endgame and I don't think anything good comes out of limming him.

I feel like we're not reading the same game

He has specifically targetted Nakata and Robert while they were the wagons with the most heat on them. He didn't outright suspect them, he just shaded them without committing to an opinion adding heat to the fire.

Everything Ircher has done recently, which is threatening to self hammer but not doing it, ghosting from the thread, and so on just seems like a last ditch low effort attempt to live. There's no solving or helping us even though he's online.

He essentially covered up his future weird play at the beginning of the game by saying he was trying out a new playstyle. I think this is something influencing him because A.) he won't tell us and B.) he didnt do any voting in the early game either. He's been doing this weird play all along

[Morning Tweet]

Nakata -- why do you think Ircher is town now? What changed between you voting him and now?

I understand your idea that scum wants to save miselims for future days -- although, I would say I haven't cared nearly as much abt Infinity/you as I have Ircher, so idk.

[Morning Tweet]

Also I think Ircher is the easiest wagon to get thru by far since he's not even fighting back

If I were scum trying to save miselims, I'd probably lean really hard into the "Ircher is jester!" tinfoil and make up excuses not to vote him. I'm kinda confused how you think someone volunteering to kill himself is somehow harder to elim than you/infy

[Morning Tweet]

So you're reading Ircher using your read of me and are apparently so tunneled onto me that Ircher's scummy play has been overridden by my desire to kill him. Okay

Out of curiosity, have we played together in the past by the way?

[Morning Tweet]

@tweet

In what way does any of that contribute to a traditional scum wincon?

I think it's more likely he's just town who agreed with some of the consensus points on nakata/robert and is just...playing weird idk

It could be scum doing a weird WIFOM play but that seems out-of-character for ircher and also really dumb

The last iteration of this setup forced me to play in a way that I thought was dumb and suboptimal. The defense you're using for Ircher would be just as valid for me in that iteration, but I was scum there

I think you're thinking too traditionally

And him playing weird isn't the only problem. He's not engaging with us at all about this. It seems VERY intentional. I am super confused how you find this town indictative -- NAI, maybe, but towny?

[Morning Tweet]

Nakata wouldn’t describe himself as tunnelled and thinks Morning Tweets attempt to portray his scumread on her as a tunnel is disingenuous.

Nakata and Morning Tweet have played a number of games together.

If you're basing your read of Ircher entirely on your read of me, that's a tunnel. You're viewing the gamestate thru a single read.

It doesn't make sense when you just had Ircher as suspicious. How can you find me so suspicious that you would override that?

[Morning Tweet]

If I were scum trying to save miselims, I'd probably lean really hard into the "Ircher is jester!" tinfoil and make up excuses not to vote him.

Nakata thinks that Morning Tweet may have just TMI’d that ircher is town and hence a mislim?

Are you serious?

[Morning Tweet]

No, I'm just in disbelief that you think that I'm scumslipping

Especially if we've played several games as you say

[Morning Tweet]

my reads are prolly something like this by the way

{Amy Dunne, Tanner, clidd}

{Robert M Hunter, NorwegianBoyEE, Ydrasse}
---
{PookyTheMagicalBear}
---
{Flea The Magician, Satoru Nakata, Chara}
{Infinity 324}

{Ircher}

I only really feel super strong about the top 3 and bottom 1 though. I am kinda flipping back and forth on Infy a ton so I dont think calling her my second biggest scumread is exactly right

And the Flea/Nakata/Chara area I really don't know how to feel about

[Morning Tweet]

And him playing weird isn't the only problem. He's not engaging with us at all about this. It seems VERY intentional. I am super confused how you find this town indictative -- NAI, maybe, but towny?

I think the not engaging part is scummy

I still feel like if ircher isn't town that he either wants to be eliminated or doesn't care if he gets eliminated

I feel like the stunt he pulled with the self hammering was tailored to make us second guess eliminating him. Cause we're having all this discussion now and are getting all scared.

Also, scum can just as well be demotivated and go into a less caring playstyle so i dunno.

As long as Ircher is pretending like most of what we're saying doesnt exist I cannot see how he isn't outted scum

[Morning Tweet]

Scum is extremely more likely to know something we dont or be behaving in a way that seems bizarre to us, if Royalty is any indicator

You were town in Royalty infy, surely you remember how bizarre it felt for almost everybody to ignore how scummy Gypyx/Dunn were being in favour of completely bonkers counterwagons?

[Morning Tweet]

tidbit for the audience, i average roughly ~0.8 "scumslips" per game when town-aligned, but i think as of to this day I haven't been accused of one as scum. This stems from the speed i write posts as town relative to when i write em as scum

[Morning Tweet]

Nakata thinks Morning Tweet here looks a lot like Morning Tweet in Royslty!

were you in that game?

tidbit for the audience, i average roughly ~0.8 "scumslips" per game when town-aligned, but i think as of to this day I haven't been accused of one as scum. This stems from the speed i write posts as town relative to when i write em as scum

and this is why im in disbelief at Nakata's read

[Morning Tweet]

I have become the very thing i hate

I am very sorry to anyone trying to catch up for my contributions to the game length

Spoiler: one

Nakata wouldn’t describe himself as tunnelled and thinks Morning Tweets attempt to portray his scumread on her as a tunnel is disingenuous.

Nakata and Morning Tweet have played a number of games together.

I think your read on MT is garbage ngl.
Infinity/Nakata/Ircher feels like a very good place to look for scum right now. And starting with Ircher.

Nakata would like to know: friend NorwegianboyEE, are you not really a friend — are you a baddie?

Spoiler: two

VOTE: Robert

Money goes where my mouth is.

Am I voting your wolfmate?

same energy

This game is probably driving me to draw connections where there arent any but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Morning Tweet]

What are your personal reads Ircher

er, i guess clidd's questions cover those. That's what I need to hear about

[Morning Tweet]

hot take that may or may not make sense, i haven't checked: i think ircher is town, because i feel like there are way too many ~scummy slots going "idk i don't want ircher he's a loltownie" to the point where SOMEONE of them has to be scum tmi-ing him as town.

I can see it

[Morning Tweet]

It's tricky, Ircher's play has been anti-town and distracting and it's exceptionally unclear what his goal was in mind if he's town aligned

I can see the scum motivation for it more clearly, a less opinionated and sort of shadey playstyle blends into the back. And his recent shenanigans are laced with copious amounts of WIFOM.

Tanner makes it a valid point that it's boggling people are townreading Ircher for it, though, to the point where it feels like somebody knows something. I dunno. We've got at least until the next time Yin posts, I hope if Ircher is town he can find it within himself to engage with us n stuff

[Morning Tweet]

like i can sort of see Ircher feeling like trying out a new playstyle that he feels could be beneficial to the town in some way, I'm just struggling really hard to see how not forming reads or scumhunting can help the town, you know?

And what's the purpose of the reaction test? I must know

Yeesh, I go make a DnD character for 2 hours and I come back to 150 posts of not much -.-;

Oh also, I disagree. Today's been one of the best days for forming reads for me personally. I could have been more concise in my posting but I wouldn't say "not much" has been happening at all!

[Morning Tweet]

like i can sort of see Ircher feeling like trying out a new playstyle that he feels could be beneficial to the town in some way, I'm just struggling really hard to see how not forming reads or scumhunting can help the town, you know?

And what's the purpose of the reaction test? I must know

Thinking about it further I'm pretty sure if I were to try and employ this strategy, I wouldn't be able to help but form and express reads anyway -- whereas, as scum, I'd probably cling to the strategy as an excuse for not making reads. that's just me though

[Morning Tweet]

Ircher, what was the intent behind faking intent to hammer yourself? What were you trying to gain?

he comments that "I'm not scumhunting" are therefore more or less accurate as are the comments that I'm purposely giving neutral comments.

Also, what were you hoping to do to help town with this strategy? This is, basically what scum does, so I'm a tad confused.

[Morning Tweet]

Amy voted for Chara, Ircher, and Nakata before that question.

I also find it sort of hard to believe Yin would tell us three people who all aren't criminals (Amy/Ydrasse/Ircher). Odd.

[Morning Tweet]

The only way that's fair is if Yin is no longer going to answer our questions, aka he leaves after today

[Morning Tweet]

According to Yin:

- There is scum in Ircher/Infinity/Nakata
- There is scum in Norwee/Pooky/Chara
- There is either 0 or maximum 1 scum in: Amy/Robert/Tanner
- There are 3 factions (Repeated twice)
- Yang is not an criminal.
- Pooky has voted for a criminal at some point. (Voted slots before post 981: Chara/Tanner/Morning Tweet/

Ydrasse

)

Updated^

According to Yin:

- There is scum in:

Ircher

/Infinity/Nakata
- There is scum in: Norwee/Pooky/Chara
- There is scum in Pooky's votes before post 981: Chara/Tanner/Morning Tweet/

Ydrasse

- There is scum in Amy's votes before post 1289: Chara/

Ircher

/Nakata
- There is either 0 or maximum 1 scum in:

Amy

/Robert/Tanner
- There are no scum in: Ydrasse/Amy/Ircher
- There are 3 factions (Repeated twice)
- Yang is not an criminal.

[Morning Tweet]

Nakata thinks the town should listen to what he’s saying considering Yin has cleared ircher and Nakata was already saying ircher was town who was set up!

If Ircher is town I would immediately murder the people who magically knew he was all along

Wait, that's what you're scumreading me for i think. i dunno

VOTE: Ircher

[Morning Tweet]

that being said i might murder Nakata less, their read is a bit different from knowing Ircher is town, rather they're tunneled on the idea that I'm scum and are viewing the game thru that light

Which is sort of hard for me to believe but is an entirely separate issue. How can you scumread me so hard that Ircher's suspicious play, which you have agreed was suspicious in the past, no longer matters. And on top of that, my suspicion on Ircher is something that you suspect to be a miselim attempt, even though AGAIN you find it reasonable that one would suspect him

Also lets not forget you're voting me because apparently you want to show to everyone who you suspect because you think you're about to die. Which doesn't really make that much sense. You can do that independently of your vote. Are you avoiding voting elsewhere?

And you have played with me a lot before apparently!!!!! I am so confused what seems scummy for me. I am truly mind boggled

[Morning Tweet]

According to Yin, Infinity is auto scum from Nakatas PoV

@Nakata?

[Morning Tweet]

According to Yin, Infinity is auto scum from Nakatas PoV

@Nakata?

Chara is also auto scum from Nakata's PoV

[Morning Tweet]

He's X-1

[Morning Tweet]

Are you going to answer what the purpose of the reaction test was? Was it really just a ‘joke’?

I already did and yes.

Ircher is trolling us

[Morning Tweet]

Nakata thinks the town should listen to what he’s saying considering Yin has cleared ircher and Nakata was already saying ircher was town who was set up!

Why do you think Yin would always say the truth?

An even if you're town, it doesn't make you 100% correct about every read. That's a weird line of thought.

I find it really hard to believe Nakata is taking what Yin says as hard truth, this comes off very reachy. If Nakata were actually investigating, they also should have noticed they have two confirmed scum from Yin's clues -- but they're just taking from Yin what is convenient to them.

Dunno. It's a bad argument.

Nakata doesn't see why changing who he thinks is scum looks bad, particularly, Nakata thinks he is displaying a natural progression in his reads based on what's happening in the game.

this was the earlier post. it's really "what do you mean i'm scum, i'm doing so well with faking my reads progression".

Hahahaha, that is a really odd thing for town to say in hindsight.

[Morning Tweet]

unofficial VC 1

4 >>

Ircher:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Robert M Hunter, NorwegianboyEE, Morning Tweet
3 >>

Satoru Nakata:

Infinity 324, Chara, clidd
1 >>

Infinity 324:

Tanner
1 >>

Morning Tweet:

Satoru Nakata

4 >> Not Voting: Ircher, Flea The Magician, Ydrasse, Amy Dunne

It takes 7 to sentence.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-07-07 18:10:20). If there is no majority, plurality decides.

[Morning Tweet]

Interesting that we aren't allowed to no eliminate. Also it's called sentencing, so I guess it technically might do something odd.

To the people who think we shouldn't kill Ircher... why exactly? I get that he might be town, I dont think it's an assured scum hit, but he's the most suspicious and I dont think his explanation of "I was just trolling" and "trying out a new playstyle" are enough to cover his gameplay. Norwe (i think) made a good point earlier that Ircher hasn't exactly been an advisory role to town even if you do take into account he intentionally wasn't scumhunting or forming reads.

I don't think we should slide off Ircher elsewhere today. Does anyone have a convincing argument for why we should?

[Morning Tweet]

hot take that may or may not make sense, i haven't checked: i think ircher is town, because i feel like there are way too many ~scummy slots going "idk i don't want ircher he's a loltownie" to the point where SOMEONE of them has to be scum tmi-ing him as town.

Maybe, it's possible. Also one of them might be scum with Ircher though. Too many variables for that to overturn my read of Ircher I think.

I know Robert's vote on Ircher bothers you and given your read on Robert i suppose i see your issue with it.

@Chara

does your suspicion on Nakata override the Ircher one, or are you still deciding?

@clidd

I agree Ircher's play is illogical from a townie's perspective although that is largely why i AM voting him. I think illogical play is just more likely to come from someone who knows something i dont, especially in this game. And there's just nothing to townread Ircher for. His explanation that he's joking around and trying a new playstyle just doesnt exactly make sense to me either

Flea

I remember that you have Infinity as null -- but do you have any thoughts on Nakata/Ircher, especially with 24 hours til deadline? I'm just really curious where your head's been at this day phase

[Morning Tweet]

Norwe (i think) made a good point earlier that Ircher hasn't exactly been an advisory role to town even if you do take into account he intentionally wasn't scumhunting or forming reads.

You think?
Credits where credits are due, that was ME.

hey!!! my memory is not so good but i like to try and operate off of it anyway ok!!

[Morning Tweet]

-Nakata said that the people on his wagon were trying to get ydrasse to look bad after he flipped town, that seems like something scum would never do and seems made up

-Nakata's SR on amy had like no reasoning and it felt like he was trying to appease amy in their interactions which he wouldn't do as town

PEdit: I don't know, maybe he thought I was limbait anyway

Nakata is saying that Amy Dunne is telling a lie by saying that Nakata was hardpushing Robert M Hunter when Nakata has done no such thing!

Nakata would appreciate Amy Dunne not taking personal insult, Nakata has no problems with anyone in this playerlist, Nakata simply thinks that Amy Dunne is scum. Nakata doesn't know what Amy Dunne is expecting him to say when she says "tell me why I'm wrong on you". Nakata has already told you that he is town!

Nakata does not believe Amy Dunne. Nakata thinks that if Amy Dunne is scum, that's exactly what she'd say, and that her attempts to push Nakata while not being accurate in her depiction of what Nakata has done this game show that her primary interest is in limming him and not sorting him, whereas if she were town Nakata thinks she'd be more interested in the sorting part.

@amy He's spending more time talking about how you shouldn't be upset that he's scumreading you and saying that he scumreads you rather than explaining his actual reasoning. The reasoning itself has a lot to do with you saying he was hardpushing Robert instead of just pushing Robert. It's all very fake.

like you have a very ... strong reaction to being pushed on no offence but if you seemed viable at the time (and i think you were before you actually started interacting with him) i understand why a scum!satoru would go for it before realizing.

Ydrassee <3 you're so much better at wording it than me

This is my nakata read

I think Nakatas reads are made up looking, if my posts and what Chara/clidd said earlier about them are any indicator.

I get the feeling Nakata may have not played with Amy much before. I disagree that he tried to appease her though. I see that he let up on his scumread on her, although this is something i see happen very often to ppl's reads when amy takes a scumread as a personal insult. I'm not sure it's AI

i think you make a good point that his reasoning for the Amy read is very thin. It's pretty much as deep as his reasoning for mine. He definitely focused on how her reaction was unwarranted, ye, although Nakata hasn't really had stellar reasoning for any SR this game.

I could probably buy Nakata being confusing over Ircher overall. I think Nakata has a greater chance of believing what he's saying over Ircher at the very least, even if not by much. For example Nakata voting me and saying he thinks he's about to die so he needs to make sure everyone knows he scumreads me for almost no reason. Like it doesn't make sense but *mayyybe* he believes it. Ircher threatening to self hammer and actively not making reads this game is harder for me to believe that he thought it was protown

[Morning Tweet]

ty clidd n chara cx

[Morning Tweet]

probably staying on Ircher but i'd sooner slide off to Infinity than Nakata. probably

VOTE: infinity

i have absolutely no energy today and sorry for not writing the case i was going to but at this point i’m not as sure i want to pursue it idk if it’s cold feet but rereading satoru’s iso i’m less solid, and as for the ircher wagon that wall post ah... ircher’s clearly been paying attention and thinking abo this game even if he didn’t externalize it and i think that the things he has to say are pretty decent? it’s annoying because he’s not /doing/ anything with these reads but it fits into what he was going for this game according to what he says. maybe i’m a dumbass going oooo big word pile good word you give good word to us and it’s winning over but there’s a level of nuance there that i don’t know if scum!ircher could conjure having been so aloof otherwise which i feel still reflects a solving mindset

I dont think it's a bad wall per se but giving reads of multiple players when prompted to do so is something I think Ircher is definitely capable of as scum. I'm not sure if there's enough nuance, it mostly came off like comments on particular posts within various players ISOs, but as for conclusions there aren't terribly many. Leantown Nakata, Leanscum Robert, Null Chara.

I also think scum!Ircher could manage this post in order to save himself from an impending elim, especially when there are other options still being entertained by influential players like Tanner/clidd.

I think it's Irchers most solid content by far though of course. Not doing anything with the reads is right, though. You can read people however you like it doesn't exactly matter when any read works cause you both don't have influence nor actually try to persuade people.

Infinity still feels like an alien that’s uncomfortable wearing their human skin suit.

Yeah, it's a new look for sure. More investigation required

[Morning Tweet]

Actually im starting to work up a spontaneous gut townread of Infinity (>﹏<)

It's basically tone and certain things she's said, impossible to explain, don't mind me

We'll see if it lasts.. til then, Ircher train for me

[Morning Tweet]

i also don't understand where Tweetie's townread on Nakata is coming from, though. or Infinity really. Infinity seems like she has some meta with others here so i'm kind of willing to let that one be at least for today, multiple people have said she's felt off and i agree.
but Nakata has just not been towny and the more i think about it the more constructed all of his stances feel. i don't think it should be this hard to write something even resembling a case on your biggest scumread.

townread on Nakata? What?

I can more easily buy Nakata being confusing town than Ircher -- i dont think Nakata is towny, though.

Infinity is a gut thing tho yeh. I've had Infy close to the bottom but I sway a lot cause im just not sure. She's really odd, but im not so sure she's scum as I was the first time i saw her stances on Ircher

[Morning Tweet]

Yin

, is there at least one criminal within Morning Tweet, Tanner, and Infinity?

[Morning Tweet]

Tweetie: do you scumread Nakata? it seems like you would, and perhaps it's just because you really want Ircher, but it feels like you're more willing to come up with reasons not to vote Nakata while acknowledging that there is a bunch of stuff from the slot that's suspicious.

pedit: i suppose i misunderstand what you were saying? that's how it felt looking at your posts.

Nakata's playstyle is an anomaly to me -- see: their paper thin scumreads on myself and Amy that somehow manages to influence their read on other slots. Somehow me being scummy erased ircher's crimes in his eyes, for example.

Additionally, I'm a bit perplexed at them clinging on to anything that will help them, like me "scumslipping" or Yin supposedly revealing Ircher is town which therefore means Nakata's scumread on me is correct (?????). Especially considering they have played with me before, it's odd.

So I wouldn't fight axeing them -- but I think Ircher's cirmes are greater, and I can more easily see Ircher using his "alternative playstyle" thing as an excuse to not have much in the way of reads nor helping. Nakata voting me because they think they're going to die (?) doesn't make sense but i will grant that it's probably a little more likely to come from town. Like mayyybe it makes sense to go out assuring everyone im scum even if it's probably like a gut read on his part. It doesn't make a lot of sense for scum to do

And while you could argue Ircher's play doesnt make sense for scum to do, i think there was merit to staying in the background and shading the primary wagons. And the self hammer trolling is just WIFOM. Dunno

[Morning Tweet]

and the three wagons are on like 3/3/4 votes and scum could easily swing an elimination somewhere? so like unless there are multiple sxum in me/ydra/norwee, scum could probably swing the yeet omto infinity, so the fact that that is not happening is telling

Eh, maybe. I dont think scum is guaranteed to play that way but could see it

i think it's definitely telling that scum has little sway over the wagons though, you've prolly got that right. There's no strong push anywhere.. it might be cause they don't care, it might be cause they can't do anything about it

[Morning Tweet]

According to Yin:

- There is scum in:

Ircher

/Infinity/Nakata
- There is scum in: Norwee/Pooky/Chara
- There is scum in Pooky's votes before post 981: Chara/Tanner/Morning Tweet/Ydrasse
- There is scum in Amy's votes before post 1289: Chara/Ircher/Nakata
- There is either 0 or maximum 1 scum in: Amy/Robert/Tanner
- There are no scum in: Ydrasse/Amy/Ircher
- There are 3 factions (Repeated twice)
- Yang is not an criminal.

According to Yin:

- There is criminal(s) in:

Ircher

/Infinity/Nakata
- There is criminal(s) in: Norwee/Pooky/Chara
- There is criminal(s) in:

Tanner

/

Ydrasse

/

Ircher

- There is criminal(s) in:

Ydrasse

/

Amy

/clidd/Infinity/Morning
- There is criminal(s) in Pooky's votes before post 981: Chara/

Tanner

/Morning/

Ydrasse

- There is criminal(s) in Amy's votes before post 1289: Chara/

Ircher

/Nakata
- There is either 0 or maximum 1 criminal in:

Amy

/

Robert

/

Tanner

- There are no criminals in: Ydrasse/Amy/Ircher
- There are 4 criminals in total. (286)
- There are 3 factions (Repeated twice)
- Yang is not an criminal.

////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Tanner is a

criminal

.
Amy, Robert, Ircher, and Ydrasse are

not criminals

.

At least one of Infinity/Nakata is a

criminal

.
At least one of Norwee/Pooky/Chara is a

criminal

.
At least one of clidd/Infinity/Morning is a

criminal

.
At least one of Chara/Nakata is a

criminal

.

[Morning Tweet]

I think the game not seeming to give a care between the wagons is indicative of something but not necessarily that we're wrong...

And I'm not sure who I'd rather vote to sentence outside of that group rn. I want more info first before figuring that out.

As for what a criminal is, I'm guessing it's not related to alignment but it is a true trait about some of us. I don't think Yin has lied.

[Morning Tweet]

unofficial VC 2

3 >>

Ircher:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Robert M Hunter, Morning Tweet
3 >>

Satoru Nakata:

Infinity 324, Chara, clidd
3 >>

Infinity 324:

Tanner, Ydrasse, NorwegianboyEE
1 >>

Morning Tweet:

Satoru Nakata

3 >> Not Voting: Ircher, Flea The Magician, Amy Dunne

It takes 7 to sentence.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-07-07 18:10:20). If there is no majority, plurality decides.

[Morning Tweet]

Flea and Ircher literally never vote so that might play into the lack of wagons getting places. Ircher wants..... Robert(?) and Flea hasn't expressed much with scumreads or the wagoned players as far as I know.

Amy i think is town and has been gone a while but is mostly on Ircher.

If anything, there's a lot of resistance to Ircher i think his wagon has spawned a ton of counterwagons because Nakata/Infinity were like "Ircher is town" and then everybody else was like "Oh they're probably spewing Ircher as town then".

If anything i almost want to say if Ircher were town he'd be dead by now cause i think scum could pick up my arguments pretty easily. Instead the Nakata and Infinity wagons are being very sticky (especially the former)

I'm actually kinda unsure what is going on if Ircher is town. That would definitely imply town in Nakata/Infinity (like Tanner's been saying). Hopefully not the case. But this makes enough sense to me if Ircher's scum.

am i crazy or nah? If there's scum in Nakata/Infinity but not Ircher, why is Ircher not dead. It'd be so easy.

And I think the sort of apathy is stemming from nonvoters and most of the town probably going "???????" back and forth between all the options rn. Not so sure it's caused by scum not caring about any of the options. maybe?

[Morning Tweet]

If anything i almost want to say if Ircher were town he'd be dead by now cause i think scum could pick up my arguments pretty easily.

not like, me specifically. I just mean the type of stuff i'm saying is scummy about ircher would be pretty easy to elim him for. Instead we've got "I don't see why Ircher does this as scum", "People are spewing him as town", etc. Not that those arguments are inherently bad or coming from scum but MMMMMMMMMMMMM

[Morning Tweet]

Oo apathy could save a scumpartner as well since if you don't vote/change vote and leave the wagons tied, who knows wtf is gonna happen plurality-wise at deadline. I forgot we don't need majority for a sec there. I still think if there's a traditional scum we're hunting, we've found at least one...

Plus i mean, ircher/nakata/infy all being innocent would be a real bummer. But in any case i dont think this gamestate explicitly implies it. Unless maybe there's no traditional scumteam to hunt... then maybe

[Morning Tweet]

btw

Spoiler: flavour so far

The clock approaches midnight.

High in the sky, bright white silhouettes against a sea of black. The full moon, a clear pool of shimmering silver. A cheeky smile under the brim of a shining white top hat.

"Ladies and gentlemen!" A voice, giddy with the thrill of something beginning, cries out for attention.

"In my line of work, I know better than most that nothing is what it appears to be. A friendly grin hides a waiting knife. A poker face hides true intentions. Pretty words create a dazzling distraction." The man, clad all in white, is standing in thin air. A finger goes to his lips, signaling a secret gladly kept.

"And a thief, a thief creates opportunity where there is none. Walking the line between black and white, balancing both in each hand. The moon only shines so brightly thanks to the warm dark of the night."

"I'm no common robber, shrouded in black clothing, hiding in the shadows. I come to you... what's that? Kaito KID? No, my name is Yin."

The clock approaches midnight.

A white dove sits on pavement illuminated by stars and streetlamps. She does not move. On approach, it can be seen that her white feathers are marred with red. She holds one wing close to her and does not move it, but her eyes are on you.

The street is strangely quiet tonight. The road shines with the remnants of a recent rain.

Falling.

Falling.

Falling.
Falling.
Falling.
Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling.
Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling.

She wakes up from the endless dream. She looks up and she can see the sky. She might be looking down.

You're in the steady arms of a man in white. His face is shadowed, but his smile is warm.

"Will you fall for me again, Princess?"

Tale tells of a stone. It holds the power of eternal life, eternal health, eternal happiness, eternal wealth.

It glimmers in red. It shines in gold. It glistens in silver. It sparkles in blue. It reflects in her eyes.

Countless hopefuls have tried to capture her eyes, and hold the stone for themself. Countless have died for it. The stones finish remains unmarred by the decades of blood and despair that follow in its wake.

The thief knows the stone is hidden somewhere here. And not just the stone. Equal and opposite in every way, it's sister sleeps with it. Sleeps down deep, deep, deep, in the depths of the ocean, falling, falling, falling.

The clock approaches midnight.

But the time of day doesn't matter to the creatures in the ocean's depths. In the deep ocean, the bathypelagic zone, sunlight cannot find her way in. Time passes in the world above, and the world below is oblivious.

The creatures down here are a new breed. They have no sun, so they make their own. Each is the center of brilliance for their own tiny world.

"Disgusting. This is why I hate fish."

She laughs at him again.

"I said I hate them. I'm not scared of fish. I'm really not. Not even that one that's... 90% mouth. And teeth. And eeeugh."

It is past midnight.

Something approaches.

The last flavourtext Yin posted piqued my interest, so i wanted to see if there was clues earlier in the story as to what is about to happen. Not from what i can tell though.

[Morning Tweet]

absolutely!

[Morning Tweet]

Okay... now how would that work exactly. In a way, Lunacy *sort of* did that. Are the baddies the uninformed still?

pedit: Uhhhhhhhh hm..........

[Morning Tweet]

What are people to think when 7 votes are reached and nothing happens, though?

Oh, maybe mafia would... not let that happen.

Which technically could be happening right now

pedit: I see, i see i see

[Morning Tweet]

There being people here who do not want a majority to happen is certainly a possibility

Course.. this happens in regular games of mafia, too.

But.. hm..... there's gotta be a reason Ircher hasn't quite gotten thru yet, right?

[Morning Tweet]

If like 75% of the game is mafia that would mean almost everything that's been happening is theatre and idsk if im prepared to handle that possibility

Now this might just be because it's late and i havent slept, but now im legitimately afraid of being out of a big loop now. thank u for that

Is there a grand conspiracy around the wagon movements to hide something???? I am now

<<worried>>

[Morning Tweet]

works for me, there's no way you would tell me of this if you were a part of the conspiracy and therefore know it's true

that'd be too much

For the record if that is actually happening, I *****think***** Tanner is with us? Or would it be Robert? one of them surely

Pooky im scared

[Morning Tweet]

ah okay that's reassuring

....

...................

........................................................

(¬ω¬) i think

[Morning Tweet]

To calm myself -- the Yin/Yang mechanics haven't done anything to suggest this (What are criminals? What's the point of Yin/Yang then?) and there is a lot of theatre required. Plus like, wagons being fucky happens in mafia sometimes

Still, there is definitely a reason Ircher (or anyone else) hasn't gone thru, dunno what

[Morning Tweet]

in yin yang 2077, what makes someone a criminal?

[Morning Tweet]

and with Flea voting Tanner there is officially some kind of conspiracy surrounding the wagons

Not necessarily lots of scum. But....... what is going on

[Morning Tweet]

I mean let’s not give Ircher so much credit here.
If Ircher was scum with an scum partner that was completely frozen would you not start buzzing at that point?
But yeah, defo Infinity today based on this.

i legitimately cannot be convinced that there isnt something up with Ircher this game and him being town aligned makes almost no sense

Also, laughed at Chara's comment on it lol

I'm fine with Infy dying though. Let's see what happens

[Morning Tweet]

90%

i have never seen infinity act like this even when shes pushed or pressured she still responds and solves and does things and i don’t think she would roll over willingly and die if she was town

if she gets to shoot after she dies or something give me the fucking bullet if it means people stop saying she’s towny

yeah but the game is an anomaly in general not an anomaly within her town games, right? What's special about town infinity doing it vs scum Infy?

[Morning Tweet]

Dang infy hasn't posted at all today? ;C

Its possible that the pressure on her was a factor in her difficulty getting into the game. I have seen her withstand early pressure often in the past of course, but nyah. Its probably more scummy than not yeah

I cannot wait to see what happens next

[Morning Tweet]

90%

i have never seen infinity act like this even when shes pushed or pressured she still responds and solves and does things and i don’t think she would roll over willingly and die if she was town

if she gets to shoot after she dies or something give me the fucking bullet if it means people stop saying she’s towny

yeah but the game is an anomaly in general not an anomaly within her town games, right? What's special about town infinity doing it vs scum Infy?

i don’t see town infinity doing this and i especially don’t see her logging onto mafiascum going “today i will not look at this game where i am suspected and a potential wagon without intervening” as the votes hop on like it’s absolutely no damage control which like, im thinking of it in terms of /scummy/ moreso than unique to infinity; the meta that i have is just a small benefit to her behavior at large

idk man maybe i’m assuming way too much but given she was online i would have expected even a “i’m really sorry guys” or SOMETHING

yeah fair enough

[Morning Tweet]

If you had a vig bullet, who would you shot in a Infinity scumflip?

(hypothetically)

idk if i can answer but it's Ircher literally every time but its like not even related to what infy flips

If you had a vig bullet, who would you shot in a Infinity scumflip?

(hypothetically)

on wagon? probably ircher (i’m wavering back and forth on him after norwee commented about him being around)

off wagon is either nakata or probably robert right now? bc tanner had also made some points on him and i’m starting to think i could be wrong there bc... where is he lol

robert is making my townread on him look stupid why does he only play when we're talking about him SIGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I would shoot Ircher>Nakata>Flea>Chara>Pooky>Robert>Ydrasse>Norwe>Tanner>clidd>Amy in roughly that order

wait

i forgot to factor in Infy being scum

That would look good for Norwe and Ydrasse

[Morning Tweet]

I'm pretty swayed by the idea that Infy wouldn't just leave us at the deadline as town.

[Morning Tweet]

VOTE: Flea

[Morning Tweet]

Ye ye the suspicion on Ircher may have been a tad overblown but i felt it was a good idea

I did feel very strongly that his play was anti town and i did kinda hold out hope for Infy, though.

i havent really researched infy associatives but i see and remember Nakata being something Infy just afk pushed I guess.

Flea not committing to anything and just letting us play makes me feel like Nakata/Ircher town if flea scum. Flea not having the slightest horse in the race just doesnt make sense to me if fae're town or scum with multiple of them. Does work out if Ircher was town though nicely since faer input isnt necessary

i see fae commited to Nakata super late in the day -- when infy was pretty much dead. admittedly in faer shoes i would think to hammer Infy, but WIFOM and it's not like faer position at that point mattered. That is also just after voting Tanner. idk what was up with that, maybe it was performative (to look like creative town), maybe just another thing to avoid committing to an important wagon, unsure

[Morning Tweet]

Ircher i assume you did not place the bomb on yourself yes?

- chara. i'm not very certain on this, and it's mostly a nullread coupled with "its infinity vote made me raise an eyebrow" and some posts around her feeling "hmm". i haven't yet put too much thought into this, since sorting chara is probably Not Easy, and i don't like using up effort if i don't know if i'm gonna see tomorrow to present that effort. and i know "this person have stronk scumgaem so null" is an extremely annoying thing to hear (i lose my shit every time innocentvillager does it to me, even though more often than not it's a joke), so in advance i'm apologizing for doing that, but. yeah.

lol well it is a truly frustrating read to receive but i dont disagree

I think Chara would fit nicely with Nakata town and Infy scum in terms of pushes and when they were timed

[Morning Tweet]

Ah, judging by the flavour it seems like Yin caused the bomb on ircher. Perhaps it's related to Ircher being the second biggest wagon? I couldn't imagine NKing him as third party or mafia

[Morning Tweet]

idk if Yin & yang are still around but

Yin

, is there more than 1 criminal inside of Tanner, Amy, Robert, Ydrasse, and Chara?

[Morning Tweet]

is it time to update this with flips tweetie?

It seems likely Infinity was a criminal. Which makes Nakata, clidd, and Morning's chances go down a bit.

that also makes chara a bit more likely since nakata is less likely

Unsure what being a criminal means exactly unless Tanner is hiding something from us, though.

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Assuming Infinity was a criminal and Norwe wasn't...

Tanner is a

criminal

.
Infinity was a

criminal

.
Amy, Robert, Ircher, and Ydrasse are

not criminals

.
Norwe was a

not a criminal

.

At least one of Pooky/Chara is a criminal.
At least one of Chara/Nakata is a criminal.

If Chara is not a criminal, then Flea/clidd/Tweet cannot be criminals and Pooky/Nakata must be criminals.