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I've been playing here for awhile. I know what RVS is for and what it potentially starts. So you don't need to talk down at me. I'd greatly appreciate it.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
I did read some, but usually the RVS isn't meant to be taken seriously. Hence the term random votes.Starbuck wrote:Why wouldn't you read through the other posts before just voting?<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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I don't consider it to be a jokevote. Take his response:Kmd4390 wrote:Starbuck, do you consider your vote on Monkey to be a jokevote? Why or why not? Do you buy his explanation? If not, why? If so, why no unvote?
I don't like how he thinks that him using the same reason as me and the fact that he didn't read through the other posts before posting is a petty reason for voting him. I don't particularly like how he is downplaying my vote.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
Then don't vote me for something as petty as voting for the same reason you did, when it had nothing to do with you.Starbuck wrote:
I've been playing here for awhile. I know what RVS is for and what it potentially starts. So you don't need to talk down at me. I'd greatly appreciate it.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
I did read some, but usually the RVS isn't meant to be taken seriously. Hence the term random votes.Starbuck wrote:Why wouldn't you read through the other posts before just voting?
He keeps repeating over and over again that my vote is without good reasoning or is poor-reasoned.
He also says that I don't know why I voted. I don't like this downplay of my actions either. I voted for three reasons. The first is because I find it odd that Monkey just straight off voted without reading the others posts (RVS or not) & I wanted to garner his reaction, the second was to get us out of RVS, and the third was to generate discussion. And look, all of the above occurred!
I also find it comical that Monkey is using the childish ways of "It wasn't me. She did it!" when it comes to who threw a hissy fit in post 45.
Monkey has not been back to the thread since all of this started, even to defend himself. I've played with him before and normally he at least stands up for himself. As someone as seasoned in mafia as Monkey is, it is odd that he'd give up over something so small.chamber wrote:Starbuck wrote:How am I being anti-town? I'm just trying to gauge Monkey's reaction.
In what way do statements like this help you judge his reaction?Starbuck wrote:Wow, Monkey. You seem to be getting worked up over something so small.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Chamber, your accusation bothers me because your first post wasn't until post 48. It's like you conveniently slipped into the game. You voted for Monkey then unvoted as soon as Llama posted the vote count.
You then voted for Crazy by downplaying his vote in post 60.
I do think that you need to answer your own question from post 79 because it seems to me that you did the exact thing that you are questioning Jazzmyn about.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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If you go to Monkey's profile you can see that he is posting in his other games, but not in ours.StrangerCoug wrote:
Has he posted elsewhere on site since?Starbuck wrote:Monkey has not been back to the thread since all of this started, even to defend himself. I've played with him before and normally he at least stands up for himself. As someone as seasoned in mafia as Monkey is, it is odd that he'd give up over something so small.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Well said.Brandi wrote:
If you don't like the wagon on you, then do something about it. "Protesting" is asinine and doesn't do anything to help the town. If you really feel that we are somehow being "unfair" then realize that this is a game, and sometimes "unfair" things happen. Sitting out and pouting until things go your way is something that a petulant child would do.MonkeyMan576 wrote:I am here. I am choosing not to respond in protest, which is what I originally said.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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I'm definitely not tunneling. I have focused on others as well, but you are acting immature and rude to everyone else in this game. And your appeals to emotion really aren't helping your case with me which is why my vote hasn't moved.
And I'm not taking what you did out of proportion. It's how you reacted to the situation. You straight up left the game and said that you weren't coming back until the lynch was off you. Now, in my eyes, that means I just caught scum.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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@Chamber - What personal attacks? There are none. We are not attacking his person (i.e. ad hom), we are attacking his actions, which is what mafia is all about. Monkey is not a newbie, I've played with him before and he has NEVER pulled this type of crap.
I was trying to pull us out of RVS and I did but now it's turned into drama central because Monkey can't handle accusations on him or did we very well catch scum? I think we did and I think your overdefensiveness of him puts you right in the spotlight along side him.
He has thus overreacted to a very small situation, and turned into a huge one and is distracting the town from focusing on other things.
@Monkey - Nobody is following me. If they agree, they are acting of their own accord. I just wanted you to discuss it and be a part of the game. If you are town, you are doing nothing but hurting us with your display of immaturity and childishness. I would be the first one to vouch that you have played otherwise in every other game I've played with you. The way you are acting is so unlike you that I am thinking we caught scum. Instead of having a temper tantrum about all this, you need to man up, be active, and discuss, otherwise do us a favor and get replaced so we have someone who wants to be here.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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What treatment? I never ad hom attacked you. I got us out of RVS, and you have been overreacting to anything and everything. Do me a favor and quit blaming your behavior on me. You are better than this, I've seen it. So stop it.MonkeyMan576 wrote:And I never said I opposed discussion, I opposed the treatment by Starbuck and no one bothering to question her.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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I think I've been more pro-town than you have been with taking your reactions and actions into consideration. My vote is placed on the person that I think is the scummiest.
I have been thinking for myself, thank you, but if you want others to trust you, especially if you are town. Why don't you point out who you need to point out? Secret agendas and not laying everything out are ways of scum, not town.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Quit twisting my words. I never said that attacking lurkers is scummy. You've made it sound like I have been lurking when I have not. It has been the weekend where most people normally have plans. I think your tactic of accusing people for having a life on their weekend is scummy. Now, if someone goes from last Weds until tomorrow or tonight for that matter without posting, then I consider that to be scummy.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Coming from you, Mr. "I'm not gonna post in here because everyone's being mean to me, but I'll post in all the rest of my games just not this one because I'm throwing a temper tantrum" doesn't really fly.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
Well, I think claiming you were busy when you were posting in other games is scummy. :shrug:Starbuck wrote:Quit twisting my words. I never said that attacking lurkers is scummy. You've made it sound like I have been lurking when I have not. It has been the weekend where most people normally have plans. I think your tactic of accusing people for having a life on their weekend is scummy. Now, if someone goes from last Weds until tomorrow or tonight for that matter without posting, then I consider that to be scummy.
So pretty much because I caught up on my other games first, you are trying to say that I'm scummy? How about not using outside the game influences? I've been here and I've been active. I think you are just bitter.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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I'd like you to point out the posts that you were scum hunting because apparently, for the rest of us, it's really hard to tell.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
I'm not withholding my suspects. I've been doing quite a bit of scum-hunting, especially compared to you.semioldguy wrote:@Monkey
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There are more people than just myself and Semioldguy with cases on Monkey.chamber wrote:
He has very recently asserted that he has such a case, and used it as a defense, so I'm curious what it is.StrangerCoug wrote:Gorrad wrote:Can someone sum up the Monkey case for me?
Why, chamber?chamber wrote:Can that someone be semioldguy specifically.
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MonkeyMan576 (5) - Starbuck, StrangerCoug, Crazy, semioldguy, fuzzylightning
You can easily read Semioldguy in iso to find his case. So why not hear more from Crazy, Fuzzy, or Stranger?
You have been white knighting Monkey since the beginning of the game, and picking apart anyone's case on him. Why so overdefensive of him?<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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He straight up left the game because the lynch turned towards him, and instead of coming up with a case on someone he has just been OMGUSing on me.
My vote hasn't moved because of how he has acted, but he has committed an insane amount of ad hom on more than just myself.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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So you are stalling on answering my question because you can't read back in iso and see semioldguy's case?chamber wrote:
I'm waiting on the semioldguy case. It may turn out that I find semioldguys case against monkey to be telling. Yours, however, is full of holes. Its not like I have a town read on monkey, I just think he's getting way too much flak for what I've seen him do up to this point.Starbuck wrote:Can you explain how he is not being anti-town?<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Where have I painted things negatively? I just have been pointing out things I find suspicious.chamber wrote:
I'm "stalling" on the answer because I don't want to impair a chance to judge semioldguys alignment. I really dislike how you paint everything about people you are interacting with in a negative fashion.Starbuck wrote:
So you are stalling on answering my question because you can't read back in iso and see semioldguy's case?chamber wrote:
I'm waiting on the semioldguy case. It may turn out that I find semioldguys case against monkey to be telling. Yours, however, is full of holes. Its not like I have a town read on monkey, I just think he's getting way too much flak for what I've seen him do up to this point.Starbuck wrote:Can you explain how he is not being anti-town?
I find Monkey suspicious because of his actions, reactions, and overall style this game.
I find you suspicious because of your blatant defense of Monkey anytime someone says something about him.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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@Chamber - It seems to me like you are still trying to cover for Monkey's actions. I've played with him before and he is definitely capable of doing it himself, so why are you still doing it?
I also don't agree with you that either alignment would run like he did.
As SC has pointed out, you still haven't explained how my case is full of holes. Yes, I did originally vote Monkey and give a reason so for his reaction. He has done absolutely nothing to warrant me pulling my vote off him.
@ Crazy - What about chamber makes you think he's not scum? What about my case and about SC's case on chamber make it horrible? What makes SC's post 242 "one of the biggest strawmans" you've ever seen?
You left a discussion and didn't defend yourself. You said that you weren't coming back to the thread until that topic was over. You didn't start posting again until we asked you to be prodded and thusly asked for you to be replaced if you really didn't want to play. Then you ask why you even should defend yourself?? Monkey, for someone as seasoned in playing mafia as you, I find this very hard to believe. You are not playing as I have seen you play before.MonkeyMan576 wrote:You don't have any reason to be riding me so hard. So I posted the same reason as Starbuck and admitted to not reading that particular post. Then I left an argument because it was crap. That makes me scum?
@Gorrad - You are not doing the town any good by not participating in discussions and not taking part in scumhunting. You are tunneling on Brandi, what are your thoughts on everyone else playing?
@Brandi - On your self-voting point, I have been proved wrong more than once when I assumed that self-voting was a scum tell. It can be used to garner discussion, and to get things rolling. It is useful. It took me awhile to see that, but it is. I don't like that someone who has been on MS as long as you discounts this.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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First off, I really do think that you need to stop answering for Monkey.chamber wrote:
I'm pretty sure what he meant was: You don't mind when people attack those you are attacking, but do mind when people defend those you are attacking. I don't think of it as a double standard per say, but at least this way its possible to see where he's coming from.Starbuck wrote:So basically you are saying that since I don't overreact to votes on me, but I do argue my points, it's a double standard?
That statement really doesn't make any sense.
If you want me to post a concise defense of monkey, first you can post a concise case. Otherwise you can reread my posts in the thread.
I don't mind when people defend those who I'm attacking, but you jump in before he can ever speak for himself. So pretty much, he is just following your lead after he comes back into the thread. I really don't care for it, and I'm pretty sure that there are others that agree with me.
Wow, getting rather snarky there at the end. I have posted the reason why my vote originally went on Monkey and why it has stayed there and has not moved, and probably will not move, more than a number of times. You could easily read me back in iso, and see that.
I think it's rather immature of you to say that "screw you guys, unless she posts something, I won't". I have been posting and have repeated myself over and over.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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What's not sensible about my scumhunting?Crazy wrote:
Starbuck's scum-hunting isn't even remotely sensible. My scumdar screams at her nearly as much as it screams at Monkey.SC wrote:Right now I think the towniest player is Starbuck with her very sensible scumhunting, and semioldguy is a good candidate for second place.
I'll be back later; I got homework to do.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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I suspect chamber because of his constant defending of Monkey and his speaking for Monkey.Crazy wrote:
You're attacking Monkey for his over-reaction and his appeal to emotion, mainly, which are two of the worst "scum-tells" ever.Starbuck wrote:
What's not sensible about my scumhunting?Crazy wrote:
Starbuck's scum-hunting isn't even remotely sensible. My scumdar screams at her nearly as much as it screams at Monkey.SC wrote:Right now I think the towniest player is Starbuck with her very sensible scumhunting, and semioldguy is a good candidate for second place.
I'll be back later; I got homework to do.
You also attack chamber merely for depending Monkey, although isn't it plausible he just disagrees with you?
Have you been following the game at all to see the other reasons why I haven't moved my vote from Monkey? It's quite apparent that you have not.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Well, you might wanna go back and re-read because my original vote on Monkey was for a reaction, which he gave in abundance. His continued actions, reactions, and overall scumminess since then have given me reason to not move my vote from him.Crazy wrote:
I'm a little behind, and for the past day or two I've only been answering questions that have been asked of me.Starbuck wrote:Have you been following the game at all to see the other reasons why I haven't moved my vote from Monkey? It's quite apparent that you have not.
And even if you added reasons later on, that still would be mostly irrelevant, since your original case on Monkey was stuffed full of crap.
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I'm not saying that you have to like my case on Monkey. You keep saying over and over again that it's full of crap, but you have not stated why it is or what part of it is, only that it's crap.
There is nothing wrong with chamber defending Monkey, but he's been overdefensive of him and answering questions that are geared towards Monkey and not himself, basically giving Monkey an easy path when he comes back in to reply.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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So now that I repeat myself again, you FINALLY realize why you think my case is crap? I really don't buy it.Crazy wrote:
Yah, "reactions." That's what I was talking about when I said your case was full of crap. Reactions don't mean anything; townies over-react all the time. More than scum, probably.Starbuck wrote:Well, you might wanna go back and re-read because my original vote on Monkey was for a reaction, which he gave in abundance. His continued actions, reactions, and overall scumminess since then have given me reason to not move my vote from him.
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He DID PURSUE THAT. I wish you would re-read so you would see this!
Crazy, he didn't just stop posting. He left the game, and was posting in his other games and not posting in our thread. We finally got to the 72 hour prod rule, and we asked him either to participate or be replaced.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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But he shouldn't have had to be prodded. He was being active in his other games, but not this one. That's called active lurking.Crazy wrote:
If you're talking to me, look at my iso #13.chamber wrote:Also, I just reread you in iso, and I seriously want a full case, in your words, against monkey.
He did come back after he was prodded, though.Starbuck wrote:He DID PURSUE THAT. I wish you would re-read so you would see this!
Crazy, he didn't just stop posting. He left the game, and was posting in his other games and not posting in our thread. We finally got to the 72 hour prod rule, and we asked him either to participate or be replaced.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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So explain to me how asking questions is not pro-town? Because last I knew sitting back not asking questions and not scumhunting was anti-town.YankCane151 wrote:Done some reading. I am getting a biggger scum vibe from Starbuck than Monkey, I do think Monkeys non post petition was odd, but not necessarily scummy.
Starbucks posts seem to all give me a bad vibe, and usually everything she says ends with a question to someone(Turning the tables, in my opinion).
You say it seems a bit off, but that's all. No further explanation. Why does it seem off?YankCane151 wrote:
A VERY early accusation. Seems a bit off for a vote in the RVS.@Brandi - Seems like OMGUS to me.
I've explained myself multiple times. I voted to garner reaction, and I did garner a reaction from Monkey. I have played with him before. I didn't expect as big of a ruckus as that turned out to be. He straight up left the game when the heat got too hot.YankCane151 wrote:
Seems like Hypocrisy in the RVS. I couldUnvote, Vote: Monkey
For using the same reason I did to vote Brandi.maybesee a FoS, but a vote for what you just did is very peculiar.
Did you not read the posts that preceded this? Chamber ONLY WANTED the case to come from Semioldguy. I was asking him why he only wanted one from Semioldguy and not any of the other people who were voting for Monkey. So I don't understand how this is a diversion, unless you were only reading me in iso and didn't see the posts that came before this one.YankCane151 wrote:
(This was to Chamber)There are more people than just myself and Semioldguy with cases on Monkey.
Going off the last vote count
MonkeyMan576 (5) - Starbuck, StrangerCoug, Crazy, semioldguy, fuzzylightning
You can easily read Semioldguy in iso to find his case. So why not hear more from Crazy, Fuzzy, or Stranger?
You have been white knighting Monkey since the beginning of the game, and picking apart anyone's case on him. Why so overdefensive of him?
I dont like this post too much. She diverts attention to the other 3, and then goes on to attack Chamber(although not a bad thing), but again diverts from the issue.
There has been a serious lack of people answering for themselves because other people are answering for them. I was thanking Gorrad for answering the question towards him rather than letting others do so.YankCane151 wrote:
I dont like this response, especially the smiley at the end. Its like she's saying, "Thanks for your reads."Gorrad wrote:
Starbuck- KMD's probably town, and I'm getting a slight scum lean from Monkey, but other than that it's mostly nulltells at this point. Ask me again D2.
kk, thanks for answering!<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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I've been attacking Chamber quite a bit, so I don't see how it's coincidental that I switched my vote to the next person in line that I find scummy given Monkey's roleclaim.YankCane151 wrote:Is it coincedental you decided to hop on the biggest bandwagon(that isn't yours)? You have been saying all game that you are town, but just because you say it doesn't mean you are town.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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