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Kitten@shroedingers-box:~$ sudo apt-get install RolePM
[sudo] password for Kitten:
Kitten@shroedingers-box:~$ RolePM
Kitten@shroedingers-box:~$ ./confirm
Kitten@shroedingers-box:~$ exit"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Vote Slysly
Only scum would want information to be withheld.
Not even a new alt and me being mod can stop the tunneling on me!!! Glad to see we are picking right back up where we left off, forb!"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Oh, no, it's just the mod is always scum. No exceptions ^-^. Yet I never get a lynch off on them (with the exception of Tarhalindur) .
Not even a new alt and me being mod can stop the tunneling on me!!! Glad to see we are picking right back up where we left off, forb!"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Is it "spirit of the game" reasons, or just "I feel like being a jerk" reasons?IIIIIIIII know what it means.
But I'm not gonna say.
He's burdened by proficiency.How helpful Glork is!
You're playing open source mafia and you can't read command line!? Ye Gods!Pome voted you because of your strange confirm. UK also had a strange confirm. I asked her if there was a reason she chose you over him. She took me a bit too literally and just said "No."
The sad part is, given the theme,So, scums out there, I have this wonderful ability that turns scum into town. So, who's scum? Let me help you. It's totally free.I could actually see this.So...I'm basically all for scum claiming at this point to be converted by s_b
Heh, I was actually thinking along similar lines, but would just prefer to do this the easy way.
On a completely unrelated note, I'm not scum, but I am extremely curious to see what would happen if Snow were to use her ability on me.
Cult recruiter that...recruits...mafia? That's...different.
I think Snow Bunny just claimed Cult Recruiter.
Sadly,I could see that as well, given the theme.
/me sighs.
I...um...really don't know what to do right now. I'd rather not vote s_b, for some reason I'm not feeling the whole Lyman is defending Vaya thing, but maybe that's cause I skimmed, and I don't like policy lynches :S...
I'll reread the Josh thing and decide if it merits my vote."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Yeah, not seeing it. It feels like something I'd do as town if people were trying to lynch a player I hadn't played with before on policy. Hell, even if I had played with that player before I'd be leery of policy attacks. Oh hey, I am.
Eh, why notUnvote, Vote AlmasterGMfor being lazy and not, yanno, scumhunting."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Oh, I'm saying that John is defending someone he hasn't played with before from a policy lynch. Something I've been known to do as town. So I don't see it as a scumtell like everyone else does.
I haven't (to my knowledge) played with about half the player list, so I can assure you that not-knowing-JL is not the basis of my vote. I also don't really understand your insinuation that town players like to lynch unfamiliar players by policy.
I wasn't saying that town likes to lynch unfamiliar players by policy, what I meant was that if I'm not familiar with a player, and someone else is, and is pushing their lynch on policy, I'm not likely to be happy with that."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I noticed that, but it also doesn't concern me. It felt like a "mostly RVS with a hint of serious'd" vote was meant to be conveyed, and done decently.Iec wrote:
I'm actually not concerned by his "defense" of Vaya. I wouldn't want to lynch Vaya for that reason, either. I am more concerned about his vote for Glock, the context of said vote, and his attempt to pass it off as random.
Well, I never said it was a particularly GOOD vote ^-^;AGM wrote:
LOL."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Unvote, Vote Josh
NOW, we get to problematic things. Why are you so worried about just a couple votes? You weren't really close to being strung up.
I don't see any reason you should have unvoted."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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And you had no one else to vote? Why change your vote to nothing if there's no reason to change really? RVS doesn't have a clearly defined "over".
I unvoted because it was a random vote, and apparently the RVS stage is over.
What it looks like to ME is backtracking after being called out on something, to be honest."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Generally. I mean, generally a backtrack like that is big enough to get things moving. Admittedly, I don't have any data either way whether the backtrack is a scumtell. It's just that I'd think that scum would be more worried about appeasing the town and unvoting a random vote they were called out on as opposed to just being like "Ok, sorry, it was a random vote. I don't have anywhere else to put my vote at this time though"
I have no one sticking so far out on my radar that I'm willing to vote for them. Yet.
Are you always this aggressive this early? Especially over something so insignificant as an unvote of an admitted random vote?
But, I mean, you can meta me. You just have to look more for forbiddanlight to find completed games though."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Good question. I personally feel that your vote should be out at all times barring extenuating circumstances. It forces you to take a stance, no matter how weak. Honestly, that's another thing that bugs me. Your random vote DID have a serious component to it that you are disavowing at this point. That probably contributes to the feeling of "Why are you backtracking".So, if I remove my *random* vote (which has no weight anyway, by definition), but I don't place it anywhere else, is this better or worse than if I hadn't ever placed a random vote in the first place?
As to actually answer your question, it's probably worse. Generally if you don't place a random vote in the first place, you have a meta for or are developing a meta of not doing so for theory reasons. I don't like it but I'm not likely to vote you for it. The fact you placed one and withdrew it because people were getting on you for it rubs me the wrong way. So worse."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Well, admitting it doesn't excuse it though. I'll keep my vote on you til I see reason to change it. But I'm grateful for the explanation ^-^
Yeah, I need to pay more attention to my playstyle and how it is viewed by other people. Outward-looking, as opposed to inward-looking, and all that.
I'd suggest just looking around, scumhunting, and letting the day go on with you actively participating. If your participation seems town, then odds are my vote will shift to whoever else is scummy. Very rarely is a vote "final"."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Honestly, scum strategy here should be have their weakest member claim, see what S_B does. If it's a trap, they lost a weak member that would probably die anyway. If it's real, they'll find out D2 and the others can come out, thusly creating a happy ending for all.
But why would the mafia claim? I think that was obviously an unreasonable request from SB, because from all that's known, she might not have an ability. So I'd be surprised if scum actually claim or anything.
Then again, maybe I just like taking the easy way out, and that the mafia would rather actually play the game."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Well, let me put it this way.Pom wrote:
That makes a lot of sense, but I'd be surprised if it actually happened. This whole claim is very sketchy, and they might not want to risk it.
THAT WAS A HINT, MAFIOSOS! IT'D BE PRETTY COOL IF YOU LISTENED!
(To make sure it's clear I'm not saying you are scum Pom, and I don't mean for that statement to be interpretted that way)"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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You wanna know what bothers me more? Josh's most recent post on the issue. Honestly, the answers to most of those questions are self evident, and I really don't see a pro town reason for asking them.
Pome, what's your point about scum "not wanting to risk it?" I mean, I agree with you, but why point that out?
Perhaps others disagree?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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To be fair, it's not completely lost yet. Yes, it's risky, but as I said, you dump a player that you are likely to lose in the course of the game anyway.JL's post is more problematic, but he posted it after Pome had already sorta let the cat out of the bag. I feel the same way about this Pome-JL post pair as I felt about the original Pome-JL post pair about Glock's lack of helpfulness, except that Pome's post was relatively innocuous the first time.
I don't exactly think that the risk is as much as Pom states for the mafia team."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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That number, split into octets is
01001001 11100111 00101110 01001010 11110011 00100000 01001011
This becomes, in decimal:
73 231 46 74 243 32 75
Any ideas what this means?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Why would they have to be clueless? There's a risk/reward here that I think balances out for reward. Then again, maybe I just think weird. for what it's worth I'm not mafia so I really don't have any influence on that situation :SI think it would take a pretty clueless player to claim scum in response to a move like that from SK. Now that Pome has pointed that out for everyone, it would take a 100% clueless player. The trade-off is that it lets us publicly evaluate SK's claim without the awkwardness of nullifying SK's potential town gambit, but I think she should have at least given everyone more of a chance to post first.
You can do it by force replacing any recruited mafioso. That's how Tar handles it.
Also, I dunno why she thinks that SK could be Cult-Leader-recruiting-mafia. Seeing that scum presumably knows scum, that seems like an impossible/difficult mechanic to balance. Could be that recruits become like Traitors, I guess, but that doesn't seem like a very default thesis to me.
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I'd claim it as town. Honestly, get the mafia to come out, convert them, it's the best way for town to win.The likelihood that SK is actually a town-aligned player with that ability is low IMO. Why would he come out and claim it? It would be like claiming CL D1 in a town-cult game. If there are actually games with roles like the one SK is insinuating, please let me know.
That said, I'm terribly unsure how to balance it. It's a thought experiment I'd have to work on.
But, as I said, it fits the theme
...REALLY well"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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well, similar in coloration. Actually, it was the combination of Vala and Iec posting at close to the same time that made me overlook Vala's post. Again, sorry about my silliness :S.
I thought your most recent post was one of Iec's. You have similar avatars."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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@Mod: I am going to be partially V/LA until Monday. "Partially" means I may only be online once per day.
Given this, I may have to claim in the next hour or so. I'd hate to be lynched.
This, basically. We won't quicklynch you while you're in V/LA. Hell, we're on page 5. Anyone who pushes you to L-1 will be under a lot of scrutiny :S.Barring extenuating role-specific circumstances, please do not claim until you are at L-1 and someone not already voting you has requested your claim."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Understandable. At least you are posting, which I thought you weren't. As I said, that was my bad ^-^;
UK, I usually don't have terribly much to say early in a game. I don't mind the purely RVS stage (silliness is fun), but the transition from RVS to "real" mafia where everyone's voting everyone else for almost but not quite entirely stupid or overblown reasons just... irks me."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Then, may I assume you are third party and want your alignment changed to town?
It is NOT a scum claim. However, based on the flavor and rules text of my role PM, I believe S_B's ability, if it actually exists, will function on me.
Because, as far as I can tell, s_b's ability will change your alignment completely, regardless of what you start at."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Ah, yes, I think you need to be targetted tonight.
Not exactly. Perhaps I am interpreting the rhetoric "alignment change" differently then you based on the information I have. I win with the town, but I am currently stuck using the suck that is WinBlows. I would like to convert to the greatness that is Linux. That is what I suspect S_B may be able to do.
You have to be converted before you can win, correct?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I'm unused to breadcrumbing as a tactic despite knowing of it's existence. I shall drop looking at it.The point of a breadcrumb is that you pretty much won't be able to figure it out on your own. It commits me to my role immediately (well, part of it anyway), and allows me to claim at will without anyone saying "why did Glork wait until this point to claim?"
You're not going to figure it out, and trying to do so publicly amounts to nothing more than rolefishing.
I thought you were giving us something useful without actually claiming hence why I wanted to decipher it.
For the time being, Josh is the most likely candidate to be scum. The backtracking from his random vote because people called him out for it started his slide into scumminess. Especially claiming it was completely random when he actually did have a point that could be taken seriously.
Uncertain Kitten, do you believe that Josh is scum? Please note some points for and/or against Josh, and describe how you feel about the current wagon on him.
Secondly, when he basically asked some very...anti town questions of snow_bunny regarding her role which would allow the scum to know if they should claim or not (in the sense that it benefits mafia).
I see no reason to change my vote.
As for SB claiming...hmm...at this point we can deduce most of the mechanics of her role. Her full claiming will not provide any more information except that which we can use to deduce if it's a game breaker. So...I support and SB fullclaim."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I agree with this.
Also, I like how Vaya waits for Glork's support before she votes SP, despite there being nothing from SP between her own voteless post and her SP vote.
I also agree with this.Actually, I'm agreeing with Glork here, about SP's reaction to my and Iec's comments seeming overblown and insincere.
Quite a quandry, no?
I'm not really sure what I'd like to do here. I won't get any feedback from Josh til Monday, and I'm content to wait for that unless something crazy happens on either SPs or Vaya's part. I'm unimpressed with either at this time, reasons mostly covered by everyone else :S."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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It was a point you should have been most sensitive to. It seemed you were waiting to see if you could get away with that. It's not an amazingly negative point or I'd be voting you. I just see GMs latter point. I think SP is being too reactionary though.
What's the problem here? I feel Glork made a good point about SP, which after he mentioned it, made me think it over and come to agree with him."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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...SSK...I've heard you can be a useful protown player. I understand that people sometimes give you a hard time due to your meta. So, I'll ask nicely. Is there anything else you currently think with regards to this game? Perhaps an opinion on Snow Bunny's claim, Josh's responses to my pressures...really, anything is good. As far as I remember, this is all you've given so far.
I'm taking SP's side. Clearly Vaya is scum.
Actually, if you could elaborate on why SP has the right of the situation, I'd also appreciate it. Thank you ^-^."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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In TRADTiMM he was the ONLY TOWNIE that actually caught scum. He was also a role that for all intents and purposes wasn't actually IN the game but interacted with it (Tar game, etc), but when it came time for him to deal with stuff, he asploded and killed scum. (Suicide bomb was part of his role)
lolwat.
And that was the only town caused scum kill. I'm assuming he has the ability to reason out who's scum. He just isn't in the habit of telling us what he's thinking. I'd almost be willing to treat him like chamber, but I'd appreciate him giving information if he so deigns."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Well, part of it is a matter of how you talk to him. I mean, I think it's fair to say he gets a bad rap and it colors people's impressions of him. so they tend to be ruder. Well, I knowIwould be less inclined to help people who are rude to me. So I'd like to give him a chance. He's shown me that on some level he's decent at mafia. I just want to see if he'll at least help me a little to see what he's doing on my level. I think the situation will be much better if rather than call him scum because we don't understand him, we try to kindly ask for a less hidden input so we can parse what he's thinking. Because I firmly believe he IS thinking, even if he doesn't show his work."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Is this due to official information or just a desire to protect certain scumtells you feel are true? Or is even that asking too much?
SP has the right of the situation because Vaya's obv scum No, I will not elaborate more on that matter."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Ah, but doesn't that make me scum with them? I'm technically defending Vaya as well by attacking SP, but I don't agree with Vaya's latest action. In ways, I'm worse than Iec because I haven't committed to either.
So Iec is Vaya's scum partner, awesome.
To attempt to rectify that I'd probably pressure SP over Vaya at this time if I didn't want more from Josh."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Hmm. Not sure I like this, and I have too small a sample size to determine if this is alright. But, overall, I want to see how this goes. I think that we can definitely get some use out of you (sorry, that sounds so condescending :S). I'd rather not see any meta based attacks on SSK this game. Remember the tale of the North Wind and the Sun ^-^.
This is why I like being invisible. I have a hard time pointing out specific scum tells that tell who is scum.
How often have you played with me as scum anyway ^-^? Rather, scum with actual scumbuddies . That said, have you noticed this trend with Iec (more liable to heavily defend a buddy?)
Yeah, but you don't defend your scum partners that hard.
I agree with this, actually. But! I am not for a full claim. I'd like you to determine what is a safe amount of information to impart, SSK?
Okay, I want you to elaborate on that, SSK. You're claiming to have role-related reasons to believe I'm scum?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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It's odd to me as well. But this is a game where we are encouraged to expect the unlikely. There might be something to it.I have a hard time buying that SSK has role-based reasons to find Vaya scummy. Vaya hasn't claimed anything. It would only make sense if SSK were told up-front "PS VAYA IS SCUM."
Do you believe that your role is worth more than one caught scum? Answer VERY carefully, and please don't forget that in general, a 12 player game has 3 scum and 9 town, making each scum far more valuable to their team than any townie.
1. This is exactly what scum would do.
2.I do not want to be night killed for the reason for this info.
Actually, thinking on it, scratch that question. Obviously you think it is or you aren't certain of your results.
Hmm...I've changed my mind SSK. Don't claim anything. I'm not sure if I'll vote Vaya yet. I'll have to assess both your behaviors throughout the day."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Heh, I suppose I have. But I'm not offering the traditional one at least ^-^. I'm striking into a completely different territory with regards to him than I usually do, honestly. I'm hoping it works because if it does, it will allow me to reassess my playstyle a little and possibly improve beyond just being "that girl who's useless at scumhunting but generally comes off as townie"I've never been scum on this site.
I think you're more likely to get a meta-based defense of SSK than a meta-based attack on SSK. Actually, you've kinda already offered one of those. <_<
Ok, but Iec says he has no scum experience on this site.
A few times. One example would be Time Spiral Mafia. Yes I have noticed this trend with Iec.
You have mostly persuaded me. One last question that you may deign not to answer without me worrying. If you were to place a percentage confidence in your results, what would you put it as?
Fine. It involved a rapid action in Tar's terms.
I agree. Just try to help me a little as well, ok ^-^?
This would be nice."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I could have sworn you were scum in ILY Mafia.
@SSK: Is Iec as likely to be Vaya's scumbuddy with this information coming to light?Hmm. OK. I did survive until the end of ILY, and I was big on SSK's D2 lynch, so I could maybe see SSK misremembering that, especially if he didn't check in post-game much. Lemme check.
Actually, with the information you've provided thus far I don't think you necessarily need to claim much more, if anything at all.
Meh. I guess not. Now that I think about it more."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Essentially, yes.
What's a rapid action? I assume it means that he could use it at any time (e.g. Daycop)?
Well, that just implies you forgot the details ^-^;
And yet I misremembered him being scum.
For the time being,
99%.Unvote, Vote Vaya
Just be aware if Vaya is lynched today and flips town, there's only a 1% chance I'm not going after you ^-^
Slicey? Or do you mean SSK ?I checked ILY post-game, and Slicey never posted in the post-game. It could that he just never checked back but was pretty (mistakenly) certain of my alignment there.
Either way, I think that Vaya would be a very informational lynch at this point at the least, and is also likely to net us scum. Thank you, SSK, for your cooperation."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I'm going to say that this is probably your only option as either alignment. I disagree the exact nature of his role needs to be revealed at this point, as I can think of several things BESIDES daycop that would lead to you being convicted.
With his hesitance to actually claim the details of his role, I'm going to say he's making it up here.
Really, he's basically claiming to be a daycop of some sort, that plenty enough to already paint a big NK target on him. There no point in keeping the exact nature of his role secret in fear of being killed over it.
In fact...thinking about things further, there are two ways to do this. We lynch Vaya today, and something interesting happens tonight, which leads to a very clear day tomorrow, or we lynch neither Vaya nor SSK, something interesting happens tonight, and we still have a clear day tomorrow.
I think SSK would be insane to be going for a gambit this early in the game, especially on Vaya, who hasn't really provided enough information to read him. I grant, this is not his fault, but still a fact to consider."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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You pretty much have. As I said, what I'm looking for now is a more active scumhunting stance and more committing to opinions of other people's alignments. I grant this is hard on D1 but there's nothing wrong with changing your opinion later, as long as you have a logical flow to what you are doing ^-^.
I feel I have adequetely explained my reasdons for my vote on Glork. I also have explained my reasoning for removing said vote. I seriously don't know what else to say about it that may sway your opinion.
As for my role-related questions to SB, I see now that they weren't exactly pro-town; lessonlearned. I would retract the question, but the damage seems to have been done."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I don't recall you doing so. I don't think you've referred to me in the third person.
What does this mean?
Also, I hadn't noticed your sex. Sorry for probably getting it wrong. ^^;
Anyway, what it means is I wasted a post since that was kinda self evident and didn't bear mentioning. But basically I meant that Vaya was pinned and as either town OR scum would have to respond attacking SSK.
I will state this clearly now. There is a possibility that allows for both Vaya and SSK to be town. The more I think about it the more I advocate caution, to be honest. I think the situation can be resolved by D2 without lynching either.
As such,Unvote, Vote Socio. I'm not SATISFIED with Josh but I have a feeling he'll improve and I'll give him that chance. Socio has been scummy for aformentioned reasons.
Oh, by the way, mafia, I'd advise not killing SSK tonight unless you'd like to confirm Vaya's alignment for us."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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This is a good stance, but I disagree with it.MafiaSSK: if Vaya is scum, you are a very, very obvious target tonight already. With this in mind, a fullclaim seems natural. If you aren't prepared to fullclaim, and we lynch Vaya, and Vaya is town, tomorrow I will be voting for your lynch unless you both have a convincing reason to declare Vaya 99% scum (a huge certainty, particularly in a bastard game) AND a convincing reason why a fullclaim today was bad - something more than "to avoid NK".
Here's what I'd like, if at all possible
Vaya and SSK do NOT get lynched today.
SSK, do NOT fullclaim today.
Any protective role that exists, please protect SSK from kills.
I think D2 will be quite fruitful.
Before it's asked, yes, I have official reasons to believe this is the best course of action."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Nyeh, mafia is a hard context to really be "feminine" in. I don't usually post this way in less...adversarial situations.
Okay, but that will have to wait for Monday evening.
(I also hadn't noticed your gender. You post very male. [This is not a bad thing.])"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Gut, honestly. Something feels...not scummy about Josh despite my earlier stance. I understand if that's not enough for you.@Kitten: I'm not sure I buy your change of stance on Josh. He made some scummy posts, which make him more likely scum. How does your feeling that his posts will improve make him less likely scum?
And plus, I want to see where this Socio thing goes ^-^."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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He probably won't get away with it.I think its worth repeating that this is a partial reveal game. I do have to wonder if SSK is scum expecting to get away with this because of that.
He's an obvious kill target, but there is a possibility he's actually harmless to scum. I'd like to remind scum of that possibility without playing too many of my cards. Of course, I don't think he is but I'm a gambler, and I'm hoping my adversaries are as well.
I still think its a good idea for SSK to fully claim this result he has against me. Kitten, do you have actual reason here to say that SSK shouldn't claim, despite the fact that he would be an obvious kill target regardless?
If he claims that possibility may increase or decrease, making him ineffective or night kill bait.
Further, I'm not as certain as he is in his results. Due to the information I have. The reason I supported it at first was honestly because I forgot what I knew and that this was a bastard game. But, as I said, this is a solvable situation without losing potential assets."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I'm aware of the partial reveal. It does not effect my plan. Well, unless the mod is an INCREDIBLE bastard, but I'll determine that by D3. But I'm getting ahead of myself ^-^;
My bias is that SSK should give us information about his result on Vaya to prevent the SSKscum scenario where he can adjust his fakeclaim to fit with the partial reveal. (UK's already said she has reason to believe this isn't the way to go, but it could be that she forgot, too.)"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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It's the fourth vote actually. It bothers me as well. Initially Iec wanted to stay on Josh, despite the V/LA being pointed out. I did the same thing. Now that I've switched off Josh though, Iec has followed. This does not put me at ease, but I'll take a wait and see approach. His vote on SSK did feel more self motivated and actually scum hunty.
Iec, your vote is suspicious. The third vote on a bandwagon/in a row is a tad scummy. It's not very scummy- I'm just throwing this out there.
Also, lol at wikitell, Pom ."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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It's not really a scumtell, and I wish people would stop saying it is. Then again, if they did, I guess it stands a chance of becoming a scumtell again. Ah, the wonderful world of the metagame.
Actually, I've been accused of the same thing (putting down a third vote quickly, while meaning to put sown the second).
Gorrad.I thought I was the second vote, discounting Vaya? Who's our 4th wagonmate?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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That's...decent but I still have my eye on you.
It's certainly true that the basis of my vote was partially UK's vote, though. I disqualified myself from starting an SP wagon back then because he was already voting me.
But yeah, people got on Vaya because he followed Gorrad onto SP, IIRC?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Maybe I'm picking a different playstyle today ^-^
An odd stance, I would have thought that you of all people would appreciated behavior of the reactionary sort.
The Iec vote was my favorite point, actually ^-^
I'm loving the wagon on me so far. I think your vote was awesome in that the reactions it caused. Mainly 2 'other' people to immediately vote me. Which are both awesome for their own reasons:
Actually, that does weigh more on my mind thinking about it.
That is a lovely chain of events. Also reinforced with Iec voting SSK for claiming Vaya as scum.
...that last point is strong. Why should a townie care what they look like? I didn't even think about that :S
Clearly not voting for people he thinks to be the scummiest in his eyes.
More interested in actual wagons than just votes for who he thinks is scum.
Basically saying 'oh I didn't vote then, because it would look like OMGUS, but now that you voted for him, its not OMGUS, but a wagon.
Hehe, sorry, I don't have any bullets this game ^-^Which I'd blame UK for, for not being reactionary enough.
Yanno what? I've definitely been glossing over Iec's actions too much. For some reason I was biased towards thinking he was town, but honestly his recent behavior hasn't been very townie.
Unvote, Vote Iecerint
-Worrying too much about appearances (It's not OMGUS if you actually have reasoning, so damn the accusation and go forward. At least if you're townie)
-Bandwagon following (not scummy in and of itself but not very helpful to town)
-Strong defense of possible scum, assumption that SSK was the liar rather than Vaya at first (chainsaw possibly)
-Strong defense of Vaya prior to SSK's claim
I realize the last two points hinge on Vaya's alignment, but we have more information than usual regarding that. I'd say the first point though is strong enough to stand on for a vote switch."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Pages 9 and 10 remove the need for this, IMO.Haven't read Pages 9 and 10 yet, but
Vote: SSK
Claim info or die.
I will allow you to make your own assessment, but I'd like you to tell us how you feel after reading them."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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If Vaya is a miller, assumably he'd have claimed it. Otherwise I'd be irritated. But obviously, the things I think can go wrong with this are things I'm taking into consideration, hence why I want to wait. I can alleviate at least some of them.Glork wrote:
1) SSK is claiming to be 99% certain of another player's alignment on D1 of a bastard game. This is... extremely curious to say the least, and I'm not willing to buy into it at all without knowing what can make him so certain of that information in this particular game. Any number of things could go wrong with this. Millers. Death Millers. Cop sanity issues. Changing alignments. Redirections. Scum Protections/Abilities. "Insane" Doctors.
Glork wrote:
--I don't want anybody to answer this in-game,but I have two rhetorical question for each of you to ponder, given what SSK has said and given the nature of the game: If you were a Doctor, would you be inclined to protect him tonight? If you were Scum, and knew/believed/assumed SSK was not part of your group, would you be inclined to kill SSK tonight?
Thank you, Iec for reinforcing your scumminess and giving yourself a WIFOM outIec wrote: If I were scum, I would kill UK. If I were doctor, I would save UK.
If I were scum with UK, I would kill SSK.
If I were scum with UK and SSK, I would kill. Uhh. Someone innocuous. Pome?
If I were scum with UK and Vaya, I would kill Glock.
Wild card is SB.
/me rolls her eyes.
It's not good to assume, hence why I switched to advocate waiting. I am REASONABLY sure that my ability is not being TOO bastardized, but as I said, I can't confirm THAT until D3, unless we REALLY want to leave the Vaya/SSK issue hanging until D3.Glork wrote: How confident are you that the words you read in the Moderator's posts will be truthful? It looks like you've put a fair amount of thought into this, but I don't trust you, I don't trust your information, and I don't trust SSK's information. It's hard for me to listen when you say "Trust me. Let's do this," because I'm probably less-informed than just about everybody else in this game, and I have a natural aversion to making assumptions in bastard games.
I think I understand. I'm unsure if I agree at this juncture, but in general would agree.Glork wrote:
And finally, sorry for the wall of text. My mind is running at about a billion miles per hour, and I've considered a lot of things (including requesting that everybody massclaim -- but I've decided that's not the best course of action for *today*). I also have additional thoughts on why I want fullclaims instead of partial claims, but I will hold off on boring you folks unless you ask me to elaborate. I thinK I've rambled enough for now."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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That's fair. As I said, I plan to check a few things before we go too far with 1v1 SSK and Vaya.
In this game, it is a terrible idea to assume that someone is not a miller simply because they have not claimed miller. Claiming miller on another day is not a scum tell. If you are an investigative role and you got a guilty, it is highly likely that your result is wrong.
That is all."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Ah right, we do need this clarification and it's not something I considered. Silly me :S
The problem is that we don't know whether Vaya is scum or not. It could be a lot worse for us if Vaya was switched from town to scum.
I'm not saying this specifically about Vaya. What if SB switched a townie to scum? We have to be careful. SB's role is not entirely clear"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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That's...not entirely impossible. Especially given the theme. There could be a Windows cult versus the free Linux users, and SB being someone who can distribute Linux to brainwashed windows users. I'm guessing that the leaders of each cult can't be changed though :S.One thought that had just occurred to me is that if SB's role does exist and she is protown, we may be dealing with a cult instead of a town. I know some people were all "so you're claiming to be a Cult Leader" when she first claimed, but her ability seems like a very natural foil to a relatively standard cult.
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