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Okay everyone -- I'm pretty much a VT in the setup. The only power I have is a troll power so I have no problem hammering shos regardless of if their claim is valid or not.
Intent to hammer if those who have already said they would hammer do not post within 24 hours or EoD whichever is first
My thoughts so far are:
1) If shos is scum, then Titus is probably aligned.
2) If shos is town, then Titus is probably town.
3) If shos is 3P, then Titus is probably town or 3P.
4) If shos is "other", then it doesn't indicate anything about Titus.
The reason I say this is because Derangement did almost nothing but rolefish or hypothesize about people's alignments but never really discusses shos. Furthermore, then Titus comes in and seems to agree with shos. This is weird and notable to say the least not just because of the entry but because of Titus's play.
With ika saying in thread there's no wincon changes I don't believe shos or McMenno so if I'm alive for D2 I'd be willing to hammer McMenno as well. Does anyone else have any "win con changes" that shouldn't exist?
@Titus -- I'll be clear about this. I'm trying to be open minded here about your alignment. My town power will only roll your playstyle and rick-o-chet everything to bits. If you're scum I'll probably need to use it if I live. So seriously...I'm a kamikaze town.-
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In post 522, Ricastle wrote:
How are you drawing these conclusions?In post 521, A Royal Saint wrote:2) If shos is town, then Titus is probably town.
3) If shos is 3P, then Titus is probably town or 3P.
That was what the second paragraph was for.
Titus isn't one to do things without reason. IMO either she's giving shos a chance or she's working with him. The giving shos a chance isn't something she seems to do as mafia. When she's mafia she's usually more black and white, yet cooperative. It's a meta thing.-
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In post 523, Titus wrote:Ricaste and Elusive seem to come on a lot of wagons after they are popular but have little desire to push their own. That's why I want them flipped.
I think Shos is town and not liking ARS's opening if shos is scum. No one really said much about Shos early.
Why claim ARS?
I am not opposed to Jeanne flipping Shos to McMemmo. There is no hammer in either case, thus less risk of biting us. Not a big fan of lynching Shos, but a one shot lynch there to avoid vengeful is not terrible.
With either flipped, I should be able to make interesting vca deductions. Not omg obvscum most likely but still good deductions.
I'm half claiming because my power is utterly useless to town so I would rather not be forced to use it. If I am TItus may have a harder time with the way she plays. In essence I view not being a dick as the most important thing. Other than that I claim town. The towniest town to ever town.-
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In post 326, elusive wrote:So basically I asked your for a link to flubber's meta, thought you provided it since your link is unclickable told you I would follow up on it later and you try to vote me for what? Huge misrepresentation and at this point you are either blatant scum flailing like a fish on a sandy beach to deal with the fallout of an excellent vig shot or that's all I got here.
You are quite purposefully pretending to misunderstand and trying to derail a wagon onderangementwho disappeared conveniently when flubber got NKed and whoI will flay alive...with interrogation...when derangement returns.
Why would you even think I needed a link to anything in this game when I or others discussed the scummy interactions?
quote="In post 312, elusive"]
If you have meta that says differently then say so and link to it but I've also played with Flubber before.
In post 319, shos wrote:ok so I fully read this:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=25010
and I have no idea what interactions you find scummy, please enlighten me. also, I don't see why keeping the discussion on mcmenno is bad since I did it too willingly; and I have no idea what any of you want with oddmusic in his 2 posts which were OK.
In post 320, elusive wrote:
Shos I'll check out the game probably not tonight. It seems like flubber and derangment are working together.
In post 324, shos wrote:Lollercopterz
Morning
VOTE: elusive
Intriguing how you tell me he is scum by interactions
Then I read them and link to tgem
Then you say you'll read
>>that means you lied about it earlier
Well that was easy
Shos
1. Shos is trying to find any reason to vote me or Bella or anyone but has no concrete cases except for BSing and is purposefully pretending to lack comprehension skills
2. Not buying it, shos. So first you die and tonight Derangement gets a visit from whichever town has an interesting ability.
VOTE: shos[/quote]
I'm awaiting the bold statement since you replaced into deranged's slot. I want to see what elusive will do here. I don't think she's 3P. She's probably either town or scum.-
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Wed May 13, 2015 10:13 am
Game started at that time. Thirteen +14 = 27
Since dayend timer seems to be missing from logs.
This Titus elusive fight is counterproductive. We need to either lynch shos and figure out his claim or decide Titus/elusive so we can be a productive town. Honestly I think Titus/elsuive not aligned but I don't get a scum vibe off either one. One maybe a lyncher? Something is off though between them.-
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@Bellaphant here's the rub. I think something weird is going on here, and I have a fuck with Titus card in my hand. Unless one of them starts making sense and stops saying "the other person is scum because meta" fancifully I'm tempted to quicklynch Elusive only because I have a fuck with Titus card, not because either is being any more convincing. If Titus is decided to be quicklynched I'd hop on that two as I doubt both of them are town and hell maybe neither of them. But these types of fights encourage absenteeism.
The other option is hammering shos. That's it. I don't think any other wagon will get steam with less than 3 days left.
P-EDIT @Titus -- No...It's called giving information that's missing e.g. game time and explaining what the fuck I'm thinking and making suggestions I feel benefit everyone.-
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About scum reads. I don't have any yet. I went to sleep at midnight last night and started contributing what I could at 7 in the morning. I have a lot of associatives but no pure scum reads. Anyone who knows me knows I find reads difficult without flips. Flubber's doesn't count as it was so close to the beginning it's hard to get use of. Hence posting the associatives I believe.
elusive, I'm reading but it looks like a lot of fancy meta.
Bleh....Now shos is coming in during the argument. I want to hear his take on Titus/elusive to see if I can get more associatives.-
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...........This thread is dissolving faster than anything. As soon as I suggest Titus/elusive lynch shos pops on and now there's setup spec in a closed setup with no information.
Head meet wall. This is bloody frustrating can we get at least some useful content. :/
The only thing useful I get is that shos is probably lynch about lynchproof as there's no reason to say there's no need to go through with the hammer if lynchproof. He shouldn't care.
I don't think Titus would get my crumbs if they were billboards. So not trying anymore. :/
Erm...I don't know about that Titus. My role doesn't seem inspired by anything other than trolling.-
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@Titus
1) No...but it might as well have.
2) Nope...pretty sure it'd make things harder on you, everyone else too, but especially you.
3) Nope...The fuckery is role inpedendent of your role so please don't crumb if you're town. If you're scum by all means please crumb.
@ARS
Fine you find it weird. I want a productive game. Right now two "b****" fights are going on and more than half of the thread will end up sneaking by to day two without analysis. So I'm a little peeved.-
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...........If you're lynch proof again we should lynch shos now so we have time to lynch someone else if need be. That's quite literally it. There's no other options as it's mem day weekend.
I will seriously do a vote on one of these four just to get the fighting to stop and constructive posts to start. Like of anyone who hasn't posted today who do you think is scum or have associatives on?
@shos
Okay...Fine you don't like I'm frustrated. Whatever. Like I care if I'm liked I care if scum are found and town is able to talk.
@Titus
Yes you do care. Nope not giving you time to escape the fuck you card. You can either work with town and be cooperative and post thoughts and not bitch fight or I hold a fuck you card. Simple as that. And I don't know your role. I am just saying the fuckery is independent OF it.-
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My role actually doesn't have a name. The fact Titus's does makes me think she's 3P or scum.
Why the hell is Titus talking in third person?
Again I am ARS. Mathblade = ARS same person. *facepalm* Just stop it.
And no my thing doesn't have trolls. The only troll would be me if I used the action. Troll is the best way I know how to describe if I triggered my ability. Maybe douchegenderless person :/-
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LOL That's not an issue. You forgot elusive...Oh right we play a game so it must be an issue. :/-
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In post 642, Titus wrote:ARS, you're not understanding. I was referring to myself in the third person to make a distinction between role and playername.
My rolename is ika.
If your PM says you mess with Titus (or Deranged), it needs to be clarified if you mess with me or a player with that flavorname.
Stop hunting. I've said it's negative EV. It will fuck with heads. You will hate it. Enough. Moving on.-
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In post 663, Titus wrote:Except I wanted you lynched before you're fuck all and I never directly asked you what it was, only to be sure it was on me. You're stretching to make a case where none exists.
Spoiler: Check me tomorrow for reference point
Fine commenting on the four names.
McMenno -- Weird claim then not present. ?? What is he up to?
Ricastle -- I think his words are getting taken out of context and that shos is lying.
Bellaphant -- Town more than likely.
elusive -- Town or 3p.
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In post 668, Titus wrote:Alright, so what's the wagon order? Even if it fails, I may change course and gain info from the failure. Don't answer the conditions, answer the order only.
1) You.
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In post 672, Titus wrote:In post 670, A Royal Saint wrote:In post 668, Titus wrote:Alright, so what's the wagon order? Even if it fails, I may change course and gain info from the failure. Don't answer the conditions, answer the order only.
1) You.
<The end>
Why are you so concerned with lynching me if you can fuck with me?
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In post 678, shos wrote:@Titus: for any actual practical use right now all I need is that the hammer vote is Ricastle.
@elusive: I'm always willing to work with people, even if I scumread them. locking into one thought is never a good thing.
I am always reconsidering, and I'm not currently townreading Titus, but I still need to dig deeper in order to actually acquire a scumread on her if such read should exist. I'll do that tomorrow after university.
... You realize that if Ricastle is scum if you believe him to be (I don't) and that he believes you are telling the truth (which I don't) then he'd have to go against the scum wincon to hammer you? This is just advocating no lynch to me...This is BAD.-
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In post 682, shos wrote:THAT IS EXACTLY THE POINT. this is why we should lynch him and not go through lynching me first; he'll just stall with the supersaint shit he's been calling all game long.
ARS, how does that make me a liar, I don't get it. Have I repeated that I don't like you, btw?
1) You said Ricastle is scum.
2) You have a claim that says you switch wincon to be the person who hammers you.
3) You want Ricastle to hammer you.
4) This requires one of two things:
1) Ricastle (or anyone besides 3P) goes against wincon by hammering you. This claim is designed to have you not be lynched.Again what happens if 3P hammers you?
2) The claim itself about the hammering and 1v1 is bullshit.
Since you are trying to get everyone to act against wincon with a self preserving claim this probably makes you a liar.
QED It is most likely you are lying about your claim.-
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In post 706, elusive wrote:Titus, oddmusic was replaced by ARS.
Wanderer, I responded to your points already. oddmusic was a soft scum read and I said I wanted to interrogate them more because I had played with them. They disappeared, therefore I could only posit a read. ARS replaced oddmusic. I know ARS pretty well too so yes I think I can work with him.
The Derangement slot is what I think of as noob scum. If Titus is not faking her "ika" claim then her role may still be anti-town. We'll find out more after the night.
I know and adore Titus. I know her scum and her town game. She tunneled the fuck out of me in two games, one as town and one as scum (I was town in both) and in another game I followed her scum Pied Piper routine until I snapped out of it. So town Titus is not dangerous but scum Titus is because she loves playing scum and thrives as it vs. town she's more abrasive and often gets mislynched.
Right now I'm dealing with her at distance because I don't want to get sucked into another Titus tunnel that goes on for hundreds of posts.
This...This is what I was trying to prevent. The shos/ricastle and the Titus/elusive stuff is needs to be decided sooner rather than later. Because of that and a town read on Bins, I'm going to vote Ricastle if we have to but I think shos is lynched.
@Shos even without the wincon flip the argument still stands.-
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...If I was scum I would have just used my ability already *sigh* You just want me gone.
Elusive If I die lynch obvscum Titus please.-
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In post 778, Titus wrote:Plot hole ARS: You said you would use your ability if ever seriously convinced I was scum.
Now you're saying I am obtain and refusing to use your ability.
No I said I would use my ability to fuck with you. Right now is not the best way to do that. Besides it has a slightly negative EV for town so I would rather just lynch you. No reason to use the ability yet when I could use it to fuck with other scum down the line.-
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In post 780, Titus wrote:So your ability is not Titus specific and you said nothing while I was trying to actually deduce your motivations.
Yes you said you would use your ability to fuck with me if you though I was scum. Yet now you aren't. That song and dance is old and done by me. :p
Blatant lie. I said independent OF search for capital OF.
Man I so wish I could vote Titus right now.-
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In post 810, shos wrote:I'll test you something
The bad thing that I said would happen if we don't lynch right now is that both are going to die.
Wouldn't the governor lynching take care of that? And why test instead of tell? Are you doing this just for reaction?-
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Yeah I don't buy Titus's power.
For one thing she could ask quite possibly the longest question in the world to act like every alignment in the game.
Two her question for this must account for millers and other such? How would Ika answer that? It is ridiculous.
Three all I do is something trolly and fuck you to Titus. That is it. It is not powerful by any means and all of these people have this many powers.... c'mon now-
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In post 948, Titus wrote:Hmph, ARS the only reason I would not report back is if someone fucked with me.
@Brantz, ARS's points on me are outright lies. Same with Elusive and Ricastle. ARS protects Bins, so Bins is more linoleum.
Boo! Plenty of reasons to not report back
1) to give time for a lie
2) someone forgets to ask
3) you are scum and use it to avoid a lynch
What is worse is if you do report back and it is a lie and people believe you.-
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In post 951, Bins wrote:In post 948, Titus wrote:ARS protects Bins, so Bins is more linoleum.
how about bins is town
Duh. Bins is obvTown so much I would die for them. Same with elusive.-
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@Titus -- if you include one scum in that it is bad. If bins or elusive had this I would maybe trust it. But not you. Not with a ten foot pole. Thirdly you wouldn't need the algebra if you were telling the truth.
I think you should "sensor" aka make up bullshit about none of them but if I had to pick I would say:-
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