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VOTE: The Engineer
He's not even from this game!
A note to all players, I will be V/LA for the next week, as I'm on vacation in DC. Can usually check in and post at night, but access will be, you know....limited.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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@post 57 Genji
1) How do you think this game was balanced as far as numbers?
No clue, fam. Usually it's somewhere around 10 town to 3 scum, so I'd assume that until we have reason to believe otherwise.
2) Do you have a negative utility to the town you want to claim now?
Nope.
3) Do you believe there's a point to full claiming in this game if we are about to be lynched?
Usually there is. Some PRs are better left without claiming and just hoping they don't get lynched.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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While my role card is very much not standard, I have no reason to believe that this game has an odd split on town and scum yet. It's possible, but none of my abilities imply anything that would suggest that.In post 67, Genji wrote:1) Yes, but I get feeling given role cards this isn't standard. Would you agree with that?eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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You're a townread, but I read high activity as town indicative. That's a fault of mine.In post 74, Genji wrote:You have any reads as of yet?
Vedith seems townie from post 72.
Shadowstep is cute....Hated is a weird claim to make early, but it's not necessarily scummy. Just weird.
No scumreads at the moment. I think, for the most part, only scummy trends in play can be scum indicative, so I tend not to have scumreads early.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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I'm gonna go ahead and quote Justice Potter Stewart on obscenity here: "I know it when I see it"In post 104, Randomnamechange wrote:
Could you give an example of this?In post 63, podoboq wrote:@post 57 Genji
1) How do you think this game was balanced as far as numbers?
No clue, fam. Usually it's somewhere around 10 town to 3 scum, so I'd assume that until we have reason to believe otherwise.
2) Do you have a negative utility to the town you want to claim now?
Nope.
3) Do you believe there's a point to full claiming in this game if we are about to be lynched?
Usually there is. Some PRs are better left without claiming and just hoping they don't get lynched.
In Musical Mafia, we had a Jekyll and a Hyde, doctor and vigilante, who enabled eachother. When I suspected the doctor, he could have claimed Jekyll, and Hyde could have defended him, but he kept his mouth shut, because outing Hyde would have lost us a vig. There was more nuance to it at the time, but that was the gist of it. Jekyll ended up getting night killed, if I remember correctly.
Full claiming is sometimes, maybe even often, correct. But if the goal is to stave off your own lynch, sometimes you can accomplish that with a partial reveal, and give less information to scum.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Alright, so I've been enjoying my vacation a little bit too much to devote a lot of time here (I'll be back on next week, and will be able to delve in some more), but I need to jump in on this.In post 138, springlullaby wrote:Because my role is Tracer.
If this is a game where players think discussing mafia theory, setup guessing and role fishing for 5 pages is good, and think me crumbing a role and questioning potentially manipulative alts is anywhere near "mafia theory", then I'm among I don't have patience for.
So, I'll just leave.
Sorry mod. Replacement please.
This is a fucking dastardly, terrible thing to do to a game. If you're going to replace out, you do it without disrupting the game too much, but springlullaby decided that it's appropriate to go ahead and claim in the same post as asking for a replacement. It's disrespectful to the game, and incredibly disrespectful toward the person who will replace him.
That, said, scum don't act like this, so at least some good will come of this. Definitely townreading this slot for the future.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Don't really understand this vote. inte has at least contribute some stuff so far. Is anything inte has said particularly scummy to you, or does it just look like not enough, because there're a lot of people who fit into the category.
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Do you want me to answer these questions? They seem not directed at me, but I'll answer anyway.In post 190, DrippingGoofball wrote:Why ispodunkqpodoboq answering these pointless questions? To avoid suspicion, or noob?
I don't think RQS is pointless. It helps to get the ball rolling, just like RVS, but RQS seems to me to be a more directed way to do that.
I only have three completed games on site, but I wouldn't consider myself a noob. I just think we have differing opinions on RQS.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Resistance:In post 210, Wake1 wrote:
A better word is resistance, or lack thereof; it's something to pay mind to.In post 209, Genji wrote: @wake I try not to read wagn speed as anything, because normally it is nothing. Do you think the speed makes them likely town?eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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This all seems pretty cool to me.In post 250, Tracer wrote:
If my deathproof is used by a mafia kill I turn into a mafia traitor. Now you know why I want to get lynched today.In post 246, Wake1 wrote:
What you should do is disclose exactly what your ability is.In post 245, Tracer wrote:I'm trying to burn my 1-shot deathproof with one hell of a twist.
Yes that means I also have a mafia win condition in my role PM lol
(It's worded like there is a potential third party.)
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lolwutIn post 312, vonflare wrote:DoctorPepper (1) - TurreteagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Flavor stuff.In post 317, Wake1 wrote:Who is Turret/Torbjorn?
Torbjorn and Symmetra make turrets in the game.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Yes she did.In post 333, Wake1 wrote:I need Tracer to come in and explain herself, because she shouldn't be alive right now and she certainly didn't mention anything about not being able to die from a lynch.
She made it explicit that she's deathproof, not night immune. She is saved from the first kill of any sort, and said that getting lynched (by town, assumedly) would convert her to complete town.In post 250, Tracer wrote:
If my deathproof is used by a mafia kill I turn into a mafia traitor. Now you know why I want to get lynched today.In post 246, Wake1 wrote:
What you should do is disclose exactly what your ability is.In post 245, Tracer wrote:I'm trying to burn my 1-shot deathproof with one hell of a twist.
Yes that means I also have a mafia win condition in my role PM lol
(It's worded like there is a potential third party.)eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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I would suggest that if Tracer has a question about her own role, she asks vonflare in pm.In post 401, vonflare wrote:I can't give out any information about players' roles.
Vonflare might me able to clarify this kind of stuff to her in private, but clarifying anything in thread would essentially confirm her, which is something that he can't really do.
All this said, I'm working from the assumption that Tracer was telling the truth, and that Wake's alignment has no effect on her alignment. I doubt a scum hammer would count as a scum kill for the purposes of recruiting her.
Still, it's better to have confirmation. Tracer, could you please ask vonflare about that privately, and get back to us if you get an answer?eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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In post 400, DoctorPepper wrote:Flavor. In the game, the turrets are made by Torbjorn and Symmetra, who have no connection to either the omnics or Blackwatch.
I wanna try something
VOTE: WakeIn post 405, Tracer wrote:
IsIn post 400, DoctorPepper wrote:Flavor. In the game, the turrets are made by Torbjorn and Symmetra, who have no connection to either the omnics or Blackwatch.
I wanna try something
VOTE: Wakewhat you think?that
Then I suggest a mass flavor claim.
I'm honestly confused by this progression. I feel like you guys are talking about something in the flavor I'm not familiar with. There are a lot of pronouns flying around, and I don't know what they're referring to.In post 406, DoctorPepper wrote:^I'm sure Mafia have mod given flavor claims in. However,this caseis kinda undisputed to me, as I dont see howthismakes sense flavorwisethis
DocPep, are you suggesting that Torb and Symmetra's alignment might be in question because of their flavor connections (or lack thereof) with Blackwatch and the Omnics? If so, could you explain this to me like I've never heard of these characters before?
I underlined and italicized the pronouns that I'm not sure I'm following.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Not voting wake yet. I think he was legitimately confused about Tracer's claim, and I wouldn't expect scum to start fires over something so semantic.
His hammer was bad and makes no sense to me, but I'm not inclined to think it was scummy.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Wake, can you clarify what you mean here? You hammered because you "can't trust people to make...the smart decision." What is "the smart decision," and how is you hammering stopping anyone else from making that decision when Tracer said she would self hammer?In post 328, Wake1 wrote:
Because I can't trust people to make what seemed like the smart decision Day 1.In post 321, Genji wrote:
Please explain again why you didn't let tracer hammer?In post 319, Wake1 wrote:
Please explain this.In post 315, Genji wrote:Mechanically we have to lynch wake today.
@Mod if scum lynched a person who sides with scum if killed will that person become scum aligned?eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Is DGB a really volatile player or something? The only person in this game I know (unless there's an alt I'm unaware of) is wake.In post 428, The Engineer wrote:I honestly think anyone in the list is capable of just getting DGB killed D1eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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This is a good point, but I still think his predecessor's replace out (while terrible) was incredibly towny.In post 445, Randomnamechange wrote:He did have a motive to start shit - he was getting pressured for a potentially very scummy move.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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OK, that makes more sense. I don't think I agree with your assumption that flavor alignment = game alignment, though. Just look at D.Va.In post 451, DoctorPepper wrote:Torbjorn and Symmetra have no connections to the bad guys in the flavor. Even if theg can fakeclaim, you cant fakeclaim them now that they actually used the ability. I think the turret is no qiestion, towneagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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In my experience with Wake, he's good enough to NOT make that logical fallacy as town.In post 456, Tracer wrote:The fact that he's using that as a piece as his logic bridge and not being aware that it is only confirmed for him and not for everyone else makes him incredibly town.
I still townread him for the springlullaby replace out, but I'm not seeing much else right now.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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The logical fallacy I'm referring to is "This can't be true, because I'm town.In post 461, Tracer wrote:
I'm not pointing out the logical fallacy itself. I'm pointing out how he came upon it.In post 459, podoboq wrote:In my experience with Wake, he's good enough to NOT make that logical fallacy as town.Why can't everyone else see that?" I feel like that's beneath him, but hey, maybe I don't know Wake as well as I thought I did.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Yeah, fuck all that noise. Usually not helpful, either.In post 467, Tracer wrote:I don't really know him either.
But I also don't want to read his past games to see how he plays.
Because that requires effort.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Playing Overwatch, maybe? Seriously, though, why did this game just die out in activity?In post 528, Wake1 wrote:Where is everyone?
Maybe this can jolt some life back into it.
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His wagon on DoctorPepper seems bad to me. His argument for starting it is "If this flips scum then there was scum on the Tracer counterwagon." But do you have an actual reason to scumread DoctorPepper, or are just assuming that Tracer is a counterwagon, despite her insistence that she's lynched for mechanical reasons? It feels like his reason to wagon DoctorPepper is to lynch him, and gain information about the Tracer wagon, but that seems like a piss poor train of thought.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Sorry to hear that. I hope everything goes alright.In post 533, Foxbird wrote:I have dental surgery tomorroweagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Do you care to detail that scumread better, then? My memory from yesterday was that he asked for an update seven pages into the game, and that seems like pretty small fish to fry compared to the other things that have happened so far.In post 536, Randomnamechange wrote:
I've had a scumread on him since yesterdayIn post 532, podoboq wrote:
Playing Overwatch, maybe? Seriously, though, why did this game just die out in activity?In post 528, Wake1 wrote:Where is everyone?
Maybe this can jolt some life back into it.
VOTE: randommidget
His wagon on DoctorPepper seems bad to me. His argument for starting it is "If this flips scum then there was scum on the Tracer counterwagon." But do you have an actual reason to scumread DoctorPepper, or are just assuming that Tracer is a counterwagon, despite her insistence that she's lynched for mechanical reasons? It feels like his reason to wagon DoctorPepper is to lynch him, and gain information about the Tracer wagon, but that seems like a piss poor train of thought.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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I mean, it's really just me.In post 539, Randomnamechange wrote:People are trying to push a wagon on me on the basis that I haven't give a reason to scumread him in my last three posts
I'm not saying DoctorPepper isn't scum, I'm saying I wanted you to justify why YOU think he's scum, because it seemed like you were starting his wagon for bad reasons. So can you please explain where he's faking a scumread on someone, or should I just go ISO him myself to see if I agree with you?In post 540, Randomnamechange wrote:
Faking scumreads in people. New scum who aren't sure how to produce contentIn post 538, podoboq wrote:
Do you care to detail that scumread better, then? My memory from yesterday was that he asked for an update seven pages into the game, and that seems like pretty small fish to fry compared to the other things that have happened so far.In post 536, Randomnamechange wrote:
I've had a scumread on him since yesterdayIn post 532, podoboq wrote:
Playing Overwatch, maybe? Seriously, though, why did this game just die out in activity?In post 528, Wake1 wrote:Where is everyone?
Maybe this can jolt some life back into it.
VOTE: randommidget
His wagon on DoctorPepper seems bad to me. His argument for starting it is "If this flips scum then there was scum on the Tracer counterwagon." But do you have an actual reason to scumread DoctorPepper, or are just assuming that Tracer is a counterwagon, despite her insistence that she's lynched for mechanical reasons? It feels like his reason to wagon DoctorPepper is to lynch him, and gain information about the Tracer wagon, but that seems like a piss poor train of thought.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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OK, I looked for it. I don't have any problems with this vote from him. He's saying the same thing you are, "I'm voting this person because it seems they created a fake reason to scumread someone." I don't think I agree with DoctorPepper (I don't really have a problem with Shadowstep's suspicion), but I don't think that read of his comes from a scummy place.In post 213, DoctorPepper wrote:
I'm gonna go off this. Why would this be a legitimate reason to vote for anyone.In post 106, Shadow_step wrote:
This post is so bad, it's paranoid scum trying to look busy.In post 93, springlullaby wrote:
Ok, I have a question for you Tracer, did you create your account before or after receiving your role PM?In post 53, Tracer wrote:That's my line!
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Why am I not included on this list?In post 562, Wake1 wrote:Serra, Genji, Tracer, FoxbirdeagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Well I know you didn't ask my opinion, but I disagree with this.In post 567, Wake1 wrote:I forgot your existence.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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@Vonflare: can we get a vote count?eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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In post 642, serrapaladin wrote:also, now that you're here, wanna claim your abilities?In post 638, DoctorPepper wrote:I am a 1 shot Jailkeeper (shot hasnt been used btw) and a omnic double voter.
This is very interesting. While I don't think that role is necessarily town aligned, I read his full claim as pretty townie.
DrPep, did you read my accusation of randommidget?
Do you have a differing opinion on this slot?In post 532, podoboq wrote:VOTE: randommidget
His wagon on DoctorPepper seems bad to me. His argument for starting it is "If this flips scum then there was scum on the Tracer counterwagon." But do you have an actual reason to scumread DoctorPepper, or are just assuming that Tracer is a counterwagon, despite her insistence that she's lynched for mechanical reasons? It feels like his reason to wagon DoctorPepper is to lynch him, and gain information about the Tracer wagon, but that seems like a piss poor train of thought.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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@vonflare: V/LA
GenCon is happening, so I'm gonna have to go V/LA for a few days. I'll take the time to generate a reads list before I go to sleep tonight (if I go to sleep tonight.)
Not happy with any of these wagons today. Can we please get something going on randommidget?eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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In post 436, Randomnamechange wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Doctor Pepper
If this flips scum then there was scum on the Tracer counterwagon
Because these are very bad.In post 238, Randomnamechange wrote:fabricating reasons to scumread people.
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"Fabricating reasons to scumread people" could be said about basically everyone in that chain.In post 716, Xkfyu wrote:The second one seemed legit to me.
Shadow says Springlullaby is trying to look busy.
DoctorPepper says Shadowstep is fabricating a reason to scumread Springlullaby over trying to look busy.
randommidget thinks DoctorPepper is fabricating a reason to scumread Shadowstep over fabricating a reason to scumread Springlullaby over trying to look busy.
Are you seeing the problem with this chain? It's complete nonsense.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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In post 718, Randomnamechange wrote:He gave a reason for a vote, i pressured him, he changed the reason. That is scummy.In post 213, DoctorPepper wrote:
I'm gonna go off this. Why would this be a legitimate reason to vote for anyone.In post 106, Shadow_step wrote:
This post is so bad, it's paranoid scum trying to look busy.In post 93, springlullaby wrote:
Ok, I have a question for you Tracer, did you create your account before or after receiving your role PM?In post 53, Tracer wrote:That's my line!
VOTE: Spring
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No, random. He didn't. This is the same thing said in two different ways.In post 217, DoctorPepper wrote:Yes but what shadow did is exactly that, fake scum hunting.
213: "That is not a legitimate reason to vote for anyone."
217: "Shadow is fake scum hunting, by coming up with illegitimate reasons to vote for someone."
It's the same damn thing.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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As far as I'm concerned, this is a flagrant misrep.In post 718, Randomnamechange wrote:He gave a reason for a vote, i pressured him, he changed the reason. That is scummy.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Yeah, I guess I'm part of the chain too, except I don't think my accusation is complete nonsenseIn post 721, Xkfyu wrote:So...you're saying that random is fabricating a reason to scum read doctor?
random's post 436 is individually scummy, but his other stated reason for voting DoctorPepper is just completely off the wall bullshit. He's misrepping DoctorPepper. That's different than just fake scumhunting.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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In other words, people in the chain are voting eachother because they think someone's making up a scumread on people because they don't like their reads, which is kind of a bad reason on its own, but whatever. I can ignore that part. Town has bad reads all the time. That's not my problem with random.In post 721, Xkfyu wrote:
So...you're saying that random is fabricating a reason to scum read doctor?In post 720, podoboq wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, this is a flagrant misrep.In post 718, Randomnamechange wrote:He gave a reason for a vote, i pressured him, he changed the reason. That is scummy.
I'm voting random because his reason to vote DoctorPepper is to confirm Tracer (which is garbage for a hundred reasons) and because he believes DoctorPepper was inconsistent when he clearly wasn't. If he wanted to say "I think DoctorPepper's vote on shadowstep is bad, and I'm scumreading him because of that," I can look past that, but his logic is "DoctorPepper gave a reason, then gave a different reason when questioned," which is just untrue.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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So I did not get a reads list out night. I ended up playing Werewolf until 3:00am instead. Oops.
Reads list probably coming tonight...?
Still want to lynch random.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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{Wake88}- Basically confirmed town based on the replace out
{DoctorPepper, Xkfyu}Pretty town
{Tracer, Foxbird, genji, serrapaladin}- Slight town lean
{Vedith, Shadow_Step, The Engineer}- A little bit scummy
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Wait, what are you expecting the vote count to look like? Are you expecting to see two DoctorPepper votes on the player he's voting? Didn't Wake or Foxbird already confirm that when their vote isn't counted it still shows up in the vote count as if it does? Why would. Conditional double voter be any different. Unless the omnics are lying, Vonflare is clearly not letting the vote manipulation be used as an invest tool to find the omnics.In post 755, serrapaladin wrote:dp is only town if the next vc makes senseeagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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I probably just missed it. It's possible I misinterpreted his post.In post 763, serrapaladin wrote:Why is this directed at me and not DP who was claiming to look for omnics with it?eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Fuck this. Not lynching DP
VOTE: shadowstep
Would rather this vote be on random, who has continued to get worse.
Nice job announcing
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Shadow has three votes. With his hated claim, he's at L-3.In post 808, Vedith wrote:Shadow, on thy grave, I raise the action known as intent.
Come forth and indulge us in your knowledge!
I'm giving randomidget shit for not announcing that DP is at L-1.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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I want to lynch random now, but nobody else seems to be listening. If you're willing to vote obvscum with me, then let's fucking do it, but I saw you (apparently double-voting) on obvtown, so yeah, wasn't holding my breath any longer.In post 823, Shadow_step wrote:It's completely opportunistic and wants to save random/ dp for future mislynches.
We have two days left. You've been a moderate scum read for a while now. I'm settling for you, because it looks like the alternative is lynching DoctorPepper, who is town.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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You're right. I missed that you got off DoctorPepper.In post 829, Shadow_step wrote:
I was voting paladin, wth ?In post 826, podoboq wrote:
I want to lynch random now, but nobody else seems to be listening. If you're willing to vote obvscum with me, then let's fucking do it, but I saw you (apparently double-voting) on obvtown, so yeah, wasn't holding my breath any longer.In post 823, Shadow_step wrote:It's completely opportunistic and wants to save random/ dp for future mislynches.
We have two days left. You've been a moderate scum read for a while now. I'm settling for you, because it looks like the alternative is lynching DoctorPepper, who is town.
Building a small case right now.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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VOTE: randommidgetIn post 827, Genji wrote:
I would lynch random.In post 826, podoboq wrote:
I want to lynch random now, but nobody else seems to be listening. If you're willing to vote obvscum with me, then let's fucking do it, but I saw you (apparently double-voting) on obvtown, so yeah, wasn't holding my breath any longer.In post 823, Shadow_step wrote:It's completely opportunistic and wants to save random/ dp for future mislynches.
We have two days left. You've been a moderate scum read for a while now. I'm settling for you, because it looks like the alternative is lynching DoctorPepper, who is town.
VOTE: Randomidget
I still think doctorpepper is likely scum though.
I don't know where this shadow wagon is coming from but it seems like last minute scramble to counter a scum wagon.
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This post is weird, and pinged me. Voting you for it so early would have been dumb (looking at your, DrPep), but that doesn't mean it isn't problematic when viewed in hindsight, especially considering that SpringLullaby obvtowned in her replace out.In post 106, Shadow_step wrote:
This post is so bad, it's paranoid scum trying to look busy.In post 93, springlullaby wrote:
Ok, I have a question for you Tracer, did you create your account before or after receiving your role PM?In post 53, Tracer wrote:That's my line!
VOTE: Spring
Your read on Pepper is shitty and omgus.In post 175, Shadow_step wrote:
Yes, the fact that you're scum.In post 152, DoctorPepper wrote:Uhm I havent been able to keep up because of work and playing actual overwatch, can someone fill me in?
VOTE: Pepper
As others have pointed out, this is almost always bad.In post 622, Shadow_step wrote:DP is still my top scum read, but I'm having 2nd thoughts about their alignment.
Too scummy to be scum sort.
Missed this originally. I'm glad I'm getting to it now.In post 758, Shadow_step wrote:
reason for me being there?In post 752, podoboq wrote:{Vedith, Shadow_Step, The Engineer} - A little bit scummy
Other things that I couldn't find just one quote to display: WAY too much vote hopping. Seriously, shadow seems to be jumping anywhere it might receive momentum, just feeling out what town wants to do, and seeing what sticks. Also, I haven't seen any legit scumhunting out of his slot. All of his reasons to scumread people are trash.
One more thing, hated and Torbjorn? Can someone explain the flavor behind why Torbjorn would be hated? Like, I trust that he's hated because reading through his ISO, he responds to the turret talk in a way that suggests it's his, but I don't get hated.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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I agree with almost everything here except the highlighted sentence. Role/setup spec implies to me that DoctorPepper is negative town utility, as it makes us more likely to kill omnics, and I townread both of the omnic claims. I don't think the ability would be given to scum, because that just makes Zarya a double-voter in the end game in that case, which is nuts for scum if it doesn't come with some huge downside (like you have to plant the vote before the day starts).In post 832, Genji wrote:I don't understand the town reads off Doctor Pepper.
Right now role spec, he is at a null.
Activity and attempts to game solve he isn't doing much in terms of actually sorting out what people are thinking and finding out motivations. He views everyone as a enemy, while this can be how some town act. Its very lazy and anti town behavior.
I haven't seen him do much besides get defensive to his situation and calling anyone pressuring him scum.
I feel my reasoning for scumreading him is confirmation biased a bit, but the appeals to not lynching him based on just him "not being active and not doing much" is him realizing how bad he has been playing and trying to play the low hanging fruit card on himself.
I don't see any strong reason anyone can town read him.
Also, randomidget wants to lynch DoctorPepper, and randomidget is scum, so.....eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Unlike you, some of DP's posts actually show some ability to find scummy behavior.In post 836, Shadow_step wrote:That's contradictory podo
If you're scum reading me for not doing "legit scum hunting", then why is it not the same case with DP, who has been worse in that regard.
In post 737, DoctorPepper wrote:I have no idea why we arent lynching this/pressuring this slot to give more info other than "lynch DP". Its starting to be pretty fluffy and the engineer's posts indicate that they post to not get prodded by posting innocuous things that wont attract attention
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This line of thought makes sense to me, but as I'm townreading both of you, I've been assuming quasi masons.In post 838, Genji wrote:
I thought about this circumstances too of it being a negative utility, but I also considered if Fox is scum than its essentially nullifying the omnic other negative utility. Since I can't lynch Fox, DP essentially makes up for the fact I can't do it.In post 835, podoboq wrote:I agree with almost everything here except the highlighted sentence. Role/setup spec implies to me that DoctorPepper is negative town utility, as it makes us more likely to kill omnics, and I townread both of the omnic claims. I don't think the ability would be given to scum, because that just makes Zarya a double-voter in the end game in that case, which is nuts for scum if it doesn't come with some huge downside (like you have to plant the vote before the day starts).
Also, randomidget wants to lynch DoctorPepper, and randomidget is scum, so.....
However it could also be like you said, a neg town utility. And me and Fox can be kind of quasi masons in the sense we can't lynch each other.
I went around it and got to null.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Exactly the same opinions I have, except swap random and shadow.In post 874, serrapaladin wrote:Explain.
Deadline is today, so if you have a good reason not to lynch shadow, you should share.
I don't like the foxbird votes.
I could vote random if shadow doesn't happen.
Random is most deserving of a lynch. If it fails to happen, push comes to shove I'll vote shadow.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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His reason to vote DrPepper is shitty. I called it out as a misrep, and he's since kind of abandoned the thread.In post 881, Foxbird wrote:Can someone briefly summarize the random case for me? I'm willing to comprimise to prevent a nolynch, but I don't recall the reasons for the wagon.
He's still voting DP, with terrible reasons:In post 719, podoboq wrote:In post 718, Randomnamechange wrote:He gave a reason for a vote, i pressured him, he changed the reason. That is scummy.In post 213, DoctorPepper wrote:
I'm gonna go off this. Why would this be a legitimate reason to vote for anyone.In post 106, Shadow_step wrote:
This post is so bad, it's paranoid scum trying to look busy.In post 93, springlullaby wrote:
Ok, I have a question for you Tracer, did you create your account before or after receiving your role PM?In post 53, Tracer wrote:That's my line!
VOTE: Spring
VOTE: Shadow
No, random. He didn't. This is the same thing said in two different ways.In post 217, DoctorPepper wrote:Yes but what shadow did is exactly that, fake scum hunting.
213: "That is not a legitimate reason to vote for anyone."
217: "Shadow is fake scum hunting, by coming up with illegitimate reasons to vote for someone."
It's the same damn thing.There's a lot more in my iso on him. Please read it if you aren't convinced that his behavior is scummy.
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I agree with this.In post 897, DoctorPepper wrote:Seriously, half the fucking playerbase has been "lynch DP" without even telling us why. Vedith, engineer, random, shadow, wake just say "LOL DP SCUMZ LYNCHPLOX" without even analyzing literally anything else.
Because you arent even giving anything new to this game.
Fake contribution 101.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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I've gotten this angry as town when town was lynching me for no reason.In post 898, Vedith wrote:
This is scum getting angry because they are pinned.In post 897, DoctorPepper wrote:Seriously, half the fucking playerbase has been "lynch DP" without even telling us why. Vedith, engineer, random, shadow, wake just say "LOL DP SCUMZ LYNCHPLOX" without even analyzing literally anything else.
Because you arent even giving anything new to this game.
Fake contribution 101.
This doesn't look like cornered scum. The reasons for scumreading DoctorPepper are pretty trash.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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I feel like my reasons for scumreading random are pretty obvious, and I'm surprised my townies aren't picking up on it. His reasons for scumreading DoctorPepper are 1) A misrep, 2) Because Tracer was a supposed counterwagon, and 3) Not backed up and supported by him when questioned.In post 904, Vedith wrote:
The reasons for scum reading Random are pretty trash, I don't see you defend that though.In post 901, podoboq wrote:The reasons for scumreading DoctorPepper are pretty trash.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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I get that you're town, but saying that anybody who doesn't read a sixty page game that's only tangentially related to this one are scum is kinda garbage.In post 908, DoctorPepper wrote:Anyone who doesnt read the game and iso is scumclaiming.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Finished my skim. Didn't change my read on him. My opinion of him as a player has definitely been affected, though.
In post 862, DoctorPepper wrote:Guys, if we aren't lynching RC today I'm throwing the game and self voting tomorrow.
Don't you dare repeat this. Being antitown out of anger = being a game thrower. It's as bad as cheating.In post 878, DoctorPepper wrote:you're so fucking confident in this. Fine.
VOTE: DoctorPepper
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Or his scumbutt, random.In post 927, Xkfyu wrote:
Let's lynch Vedith then.In post 926, DoctorPepper wrote:I think you still have to consider the situation that led to this. Not my proudest moment and one that I prefer be buried. But the fact im using a game where I did this, because the exact same thing is happening here, must at least give you guys an idea of why I think people like Vedith are scum. I've been in this situation in the past and it sucks.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"