Mini 1894: DBZ Abridged Mafia - Arrival To Namek (Game Over)

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Picking up my prod, catching up, I'll be back to y'all with that catchup done here in just a bit!

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Show of hands, who thinks inconsistency is a

A) scumtell
B) towntell
C) NAI

I wanna make sure where I wanna vote is (in)consistent with everyone's mentality here.

Oooh, ooh, me! Hypocrisy, at least, is defo a scumtell!

btw anyone seen the Clumsy hydra?
They're like, nowhere in sight.
Tho that's okay because they'll be an easy read when they do post.

How so? From my experience we just get scumread real hard. Largely when I post, for some reason.

And on this episode of mini theme mafia games, the Clumsy hydra lurks again!

Shhhhhhh, it's only been a day, and this time we've agreed not to try and wait on one another before posting things. Granted, I was mostly waiting on Clumsyhead more than anything, because I tend to get scumread when I post without using him as a filter.

Right, so I'm pretty sure Zefiend is town. Not sure on Alisae, gonna defer to Cloobzor on that because he has a better sense for the meta there than I do. That said, Alisae is definitely scum for changing their avatar to a moderately less adorable one. Also, I'm just gonna

VOTE: MariaR

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Oh and if it wasn't obvious, both of those posts and this one are from Shazirohead.

-Shaziro

[Clumsy Phoenix]

No hate at all, that one just looks like it dislikes our goofy Phoenix and the other one looked like it loved everything.

-Shaz

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Didn't see any hypocrisy from zefiend, I was just answering the question? I'm on the record over and over saying hypocrisy is a scumtell.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

You have no reason to worry about that wagon so I'm wondering why you're worried or think they're scum on it compared to others you can give reason or give none at all that doesn't make it any more or less likely scum is on it.

This rings hard to me as defensive scum posting

I didn't comment on much else because the majority I saw was dragon ball talk, and I figure we've all decided it is in town's best interest to play defensive with them.

-Shaz

[Clumsy Phoenix]

For those of you who care about meta, check ours. When clumsy doesn't censor me and I just post, we get hard scumread, especially if I do the entrance.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

I big run on sentence that reads like verbal diarrhea from somebody in a panic?

-Shaziro

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Anybody who gets off this wagon, now that it has consolidated, will be viewed with extreme suspicion after Clumsy flips.

Remember this if we flip.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Dear lord. Clumsy head here. Someone talk to me.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

I feel pretty neutral on Maria. Possibly even slightly townlean. I'm scumleaning Tywin, but I don't have much experience there. Nacho hydra has me wary. Albert is meh. Currently looking back at Desperado's scumplay in Witch Trials, get back to you there.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Never played with Socrates before, but that join date has me wanting to look at their experience. Vifam I played with in Darkest Dungeon, will compare that to here as well. Not Chara seems towny to me. Good questions and posts around 250.

P-edit: I feel like he's pushing too hard on the whole not knowing anything about flavor. It's one thing to point that out once, but when he harps on about not knowing anything, it sends up flags to me.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Btw: I have never watched DBZ beyond like one episode as a kid, and none of it made sense. DBalls are like rings of power and we want to rule them all, right? So like the one ring? Or like infinity stones and the person with the gauntlet kicks the Avengers' asses? I will collect them all like Pokemon. Then I will wish for Almost's death. If he's already dead, I will wish for him to come back alive so I can lynch him again. I got these game mechanics on lockdown.

Side note: I don't know any of the characters in DBZ, whose good/bad, and things like that (I know Goku is good, right?), so it's good I'm not scum this game. I'd have no idea who to fake claim, but I'm guessing this won't be like Hogwarts Mafia where the good guys are scum, at least from what I can tell by my PM.

Since I can't say the actual name, I can say that I'm 'against' freeza and his generals, whoever the fuck that is.

These get me a lot, and I was actually going to make a post about the second one, but realized a flaw in my logic.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

You've hydra'd with Tywin, right? What do you think of him?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Socrates, do you have any experience with this player list?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

You've hydra'd with Tywin, right? What do you think of him?

Can you uh...

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Cool thanks. Next question. If we're town in your opinion, why no unvote?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Who is next on your scum list?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Yeaaaaaaaaah...
She's gonna post that way as either alignment.
VOTE: Clums

This seems like a very weak point to jump onto the wagon. Like the straw that broke the camels back instead of the relative boulders that came before. Especially since the Shaz head has no experience with MariaR whatsoever. Why was this the tipping point?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

@Majiffy: Who are your other scumreads besides Almost50? I wouldn't mind that slot, but who else are you thinking? I have had only one game with Almost50, and I subbed in at the very end. I guess I could look that up too, but not gonna, lie, motivation dwindling.

@All: Thoughts on Imperium? Who all town/scum reads them?


P-edit: Hold the phone

[Clumsy Phoenix]

He's town imo those posts are not scummy at all.

Oh, didn't realize this was about Tywin, my mistake

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Let me find Socrates case real fast

[Clumsy Phoenix]

oh and Kuroi: very interesting mechanic with the Dragonballs. i look forward to sabotaging all attempts to gather seven of them.

Why?

Scum like to tell townies not to use unique game mechanics, thinking that they will look protown by advocating caution, but really all they do is betray their own greed.

You didn't actively call it scummy to collect dragon balls, so it's not the full tell, but this is a good starting place.

VOTE: not chara

Scum like to tell townies not to use unique game mechanics, thinking that they will look protown by advocating caution, but really all they do is betray their own greed.

You didn't actively call it scummy to collect dragon balls, so it's not the full tell, but this is a good starting place.

VOTE: not chara

I said it first, so why NC and not me?

Well no, nc said they were going to actively sabotage collecting dragons balls on the first page.

Two, your suggestion did earn a squint from me. Maybe you failed to notice. But my feelings on you re:Tywin mirror Nacho's, whereas NC only has this.

I find annoying that people think about the mechanics only in terms of how they can be used directly, not in terms of how they can be a vector for scumhunting. Scum can do a lot, but they can do very little without leaving a paper trail if we approach it correctly. I will have more to say on this day 2.

I need to learn how to read. Give me a second.
/me takes a second.
Kay heres the thing. I don't think scum!NC gets anything out of writing that post. Granted town!NC gets nothing out of it either. Like that post seems really NAI to me. Especially considering it's page 1, we're still in RVS, so I don't really see how they're trying to prevent scumhunting from happening on page 1?
I feel like if anything scum are most likely to jump on that post rather then town.

You'll note that I didn't immediately jump on her, but asked her to elaborate.

If she said it was just a first page joke, I would have shrugged and let it go, but she didn't

and went with the classic "scum can manipulate this mechanic so we shouldn't use it" argument that scum themselves love to make. They love to make the same argument about masslcaims and such, too.

As I said, it wasnt the full tell, because they didn't check the final checkbox of calling it outright scummy, but I feel better about this vote than anywhere else at this moment.

I've caught scum this way before.

Bolded stands out to me, because I took it as an opening game joke as well, but then NC defended it. That's interesting. Also noticed this:

Any simplistic wand-waving ball policy proposal the kind of which Almost50 made is almost assuredly made by scum.

Should I be voting him instead of NC?

Yes, I'm moderately confident that he is scum.

Cool. I still want a vote count.

I see where you're coming from, do you see where I'm coming from? or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Why was this never followed up on? This question was asked and (unless I'm missing a post), never answered nor re-asked.


It's a nice case, I'll have to re-evaluate NC. I'm townreading Socrates more. However it's nearly 1 and I have work in the morning. Anything else for me before I head off for the night?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

My eyes instinctively glaze over at Tywin's posts. I need to correct that.

Even the short ones?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

I believe I explained in my first post that I hadn't gotten a hold of Clumsy in a bit and didn't want to lurk this game, we've had a problem with that in past when hydraing because we like to wait to speak with one another before posting. I can link our past games if anyone cares to see them and confirm that I am telling the truth wrt my posting and us lurking due to wanting to converse before posting.

Personally I think ABR hardpushing what he thinks is just kinda an ABR thing, fits him as a person from what I've seen. That said, anyone who has played with him has better meta knowledge than I do, so I figure I'll defer there first. Not sure if Clumsy has or hasn't.

Tywin, Alisae, and Socrates, have any of you given your thoughts on Desperado yet?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

-Shaziro

[Clumsy Phoenix]

You either missed my question about Desperado or dodged it, please answer that. As for excusing scummy behavior, my problem is that I really don't see what I did that could be really read as scummy aside from going ahead and saying I might be scumread just for posting without Clumsy, and the fact that we got prodded.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Nah I saw it, I was just on my Ipad because I'm currently sick, and I was in bed when I posted.
tbh I haven't really payed much attention to him.
Gonna ISO him.

I meant Tywin, as he gave a more detailed response to me so I figured he would've seen it where you might not have. Let me know when you've got ideas on Desp, I'm talking to Clumsy about him.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

What post about desperado? I also haven't paid attention to him. Didn't even know he was in the game.

I asked your read on him

[Clumsy Phoenix]

What exactly is the case on the Clumsy hydra

Before this gets answered, what are your current thoughts on us?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Talking with the Shaz head, I liked Socrates' case about Not Chara. Shaz head agrees, so we're going to follow there.

VOTE: Not Chara

[Clumsy Phoenix]

As I'm catching up: Hi Imperium, which person were you in that offsite game and was that Tammy or Nacho? I did really bad there, I think largely because people got very into the nitty gritty mechanic-based gamesolving and I fall pretty flat on my face there. I tried!

-Shaziro

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Ooh, if I say Majiffy again will he appear like a real Beetlejuice?

Tammy I know Nacho modded it, didn't know if you were in. Good to see ya again, regardless of the tunneling me thing that was a good game!

More soon

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Talking with clumsyhead, he and I both feel a bit iffy about Desperado, but we aren't sure if that is just because clumsy modded and I played in a scum game of desperados recently. Re-reading the slot

[Clumsy Phoenix]

This head thinks Tywin is looking worse and worse as this goes on. It might be pot calling kettle black and all, but desp does seem to be sidelining and doesn't look good to me as a result. Clumshead isn't at work but idk where he's at.

-Shaziro

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Hey Clumsy, where you at?

Right here how ya doing?

-Shaziro

P-Edit- because we are both awesome?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

I feel like tywin is a good place for our vote, but I'd like to consult with my better head before making that move. Consider our vote effectively there in the meantime

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Concern wasn't with a quick hammer, but fair enough.

VOTE: Tywin

[Clumsy Phoenix]

My personality and actions alone are very different from my hydra personality and actions because I have another play who's thoughts and choices I have to work with. I hydra with clumsy because we get along well and have similar minds on things, but I still prefer to confer with him.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Hey, Clumsy head here. Work sucks. AMA

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Not sure. Played lots of sports growing up, I've done martial arts for years and years. Competitions even, world level. But as soon as I step off the mat/floor, I'm clumsy as all hell. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Clumsy Phoenix]

I don't think there's any threat of a quickhammer.

You should put it there now and then if your other head has serious concerns they can move it.

I'm okay with the vote going here I think.

Actually no, this isn't a TvT.
I don't believe that Tywin forgot that the clums hydra is scum.
With Majiffy they were like "Welp, 1 scum caught D1" and that's great an all but did Tywin suddenly forget about the Clums hydra? Because it doesn't read genuine to me?

Question for you Alisae: Do you feel like this is SvT only on Tywin's side? As in, if Tywin flips today, and if he flips town, do you still townread Majiffy?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

guyz is anyone TRing Desperado?

Why did you hop over to Desperado? Not saying I agree or disagree with this, just wanting to know the reasoning of jumping off Tywin and onto Desp.

-Clumsy

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Mmkay. You can be town.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Majiffy (4/7) - Not Chara, ɀefiend, Tywin Lannister, Almost50

What do you make of this wagon comp?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

As in, what are your reads on each person on it?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

These are all Clumsy posts btw. Keep forgetting to sign.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Hi, shazhead here phoneposting before falling asleep. Today was D&D night, clumsy is a player in that game and I dm it. He'll be doing game day tomorrow evening with another group, but I'll be around because I'm not in that group! I'll be around for like 10 minutes if you have any fast questions for me.

Sample answers:

"Is the wagon on you good?" Not in my mind, duh

"How did you know you would be scumread and clumsy would be townread?" Meta, it literally always happens

"Why were you reluctant to vote on tywin?" Because I was making that call without talking to clumsy, and didn't want to get scumread for it. And apparently, we have been.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Shaz, have you guys rolled scum as your hydra before?

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[Clumsy Phoenix]

Tywin, you realize I never insisted we were town because we always get scumread, I literally just said that when I post without running it by Clumsy, we get scumread, and then when Clumsy posts we get townread right? It was a statement of fact (which has been proven in games before this but also here) and you've latched onto it and are claiming it is some kind of preemptive excuse, but i don't believe either head has actually tried to use it as one.

If you don't care about being mislynched as town, then you are not helping town as much as you can be. Towns job is to catch scum and not get mislynched in order to make sure scum get lynched instead.

Honestly, I think you realize that Almost is right, we will prove we are town as time goes on, and you don't want to miss out on a quick and easy mislynch.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Desperado: I know you addressed that to Shaz, but he's out for food right now. I have a little time before a get together tonight. I have no idea why this hydra gets scum read much easier than playing solo. I wish I knew. But if you like to compare it to past games, like you are with Witch Trials, you should compare it to games where we've hydra'd and this EXACT thing happens. I don't know why it happens, but it does.

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viewtopic.php?f=23&t=68883
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Scum like to tell townies not to use unique game mechanics, thinking that they will look protown by advocating caution, but really all they do is betray their own greed.

You didn't actively call it scummy to collect dragon balls, so it's not the full tell, but this is a good starting place.

VOTE: not chara

I said it first, so why NC and not me?

Well no, nc said they were going to actively sabotage collecting dragons balls on the first page.

Two, your suggestion did earn a squint from me. Maybe you failed to notice. But my feelings on you re:Tywin mirror Nacho's, whereas NC only has this.

I find annoying that people think about the mechanics only in terms of how they can be used directly, not in terms of how they can be a vector for scumhunting. Scum can do a lot, but they can do very little without leaving a paper trail if we approach it correctly. I will have more to say on this day 2.

I need to learn how to read. Give me a second.
/me takes a second.
Kay heres the thing. I don't think scum!NC gets anything out of writing that post. Granted town!NC gets nothing out of it either. Like that post seems really NAI to me. Especially considering it's page 1, we're still in RVS, so I don't really see how they're trying to prevent scumhunting from happening on page 1?
I feel like if anything scum are most likely to jump on that post rather then town.

You'll note that I didn't immediately jump on her, but asked her to elaborate. If she said it was just a first page joke, I would have shrugged and let it go, but she didn't and went with the classic "scum can manipulate this mechanic so we shouldn't use it" argument that scum themselves love to make. They love to make the same argument about masslcaims and such, too.

As I said, it wasnt the full tell, because they didn't check the final checkbox of calling it outright scummy, but I feel better about this vote than anywhere else at this moment.

I've caught scum this way before.

When I was reading through this, I was having a lot of the same thoughts, especially the "If she said it was just a first page joke, I would have shrugged and let it go". I don't know a whole lot about tells in this game, but Socrates has been playing for much longer than I have, and I town read him, so I'm taking his word on that tell. It makes sense to me, and this actually reminded me of a scum game I played in. RC had a role which let other people give him their votes, and I joked that we should all just give him our votes and let him try to win the game. I was immediately jumped on because it came out insinuating that I knew he was town. Now, I would have made the same joke either way as town or scum, but since I WAS scum, I had to keep up appearances. So I buckled down on it and argued for Town!RC. This felt similar to that, buckling down when under pressure early.

Basically, if Socrates is town (Which I believe he is), he wouldn't lie about the tell. The push felt very town to me, particularly outright saying that it didn't fit the full tell all the way. I didn't have super strong reads at that point, so I was fine with going along with a town read. Does that all make sense?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Shazhead is back, the party can begin again folks!

Clumsy: you think I realize Almost is right, so I am pushing you for an easy mislynch? So what you're saying is that Maria is my scum buddy, right? You'd have to think that for scum me to push you over Maria, because Maria being pushed by Almost would be far easier to sheep. Therefore, you must SR both me and Maria to take the stance you just did. Am I right here?

Okay, then assuming that, what exactly is Almost right about that you agree with? What exactly about Maria do you SR, and why aren't you voting that slot?

How in the metric fuck do you get "Maria is necessarily your scumbuddy" from "I think you're scum pushing us for the easy mislynch"? I don't think Maria is easier to push, and I don't see why you do. This is a great job of assuming my position and then demanding I defend it despite it not being my position, though, which is an excellent way for Scum to try and trap town into looking like scum so they can excuse their pushing the mislynch later with "oh but they talked all scummy when I questioned them they're just bad".

The general careful/cautious play is what I SR more than anything Clumsy, and it doesn't matter if you've used meta as an excuse for when you're SR. The excuse part is a side note, so I can drop that and I still see your play as too careful for town. The opener read as if you were more worried about appearances than anything else, and later posts pretty much confirmed that. You even admitted it when questioned. That's what bothers me. Not wanting to be lynched is one thing, but playing the game with the only real goal being to not be lynched doesn't look right. You haven't played (in my opinion) like you've been looking for scum, but rather just being worried about getting SR yourself. It goes against town's win con to play that way, and regardless, if town, you could be NK'd at any time. So knowing that, why worry about being SR over finding scum? It looks to me like you're not worried about finding them, not to mention you seem to not think you'd be NK'd at all. It just doesn't look like a townie mindset. It's too careful and self conscious IMO. It pings me pretty hard, especially when you guys are new. If you were, I'd write it off as inexperience, but I can't do that with you both. Yes, clumsy looks more town and you look more scummy, but I can't seperate the two of you since you're a hydra, so I am going with the overall content put together. It just looks off.

Do I agree that you could be an easy mislynch if town? Yes, I do. It seems too easy. That being said, Maria is being pushed hard over a meta gut read, so there is a counter wagon in play, and you've been given the 'lynchbait' hand wave to take focus away. So it's not white and black here. There are reasons to believe you could be scum that ohviously scum don't want lynched, at least not D1. What gives me pause with that thinking is that Almost is a good scum player, so if you flipped scum and Maria flipped town, he has to know that he'd get all the flak and attention for it.

I read through that whole wall and my eyes only glazed over once or twice! You've made a few shit assumptions here, and I'm assuming that's because you're scum trying to push a narrative. The risk of being NKed does not equate to not being worried about being a mislynch. Town has control over the lynches. If we mislynch, we've wasted a lynch, we've wasted a chance to kill scum. The NK will never kill scum. Therefore, all town should be concerned about being a mislynch. The only time town should be okay with being lynched is if they know that them getting lynched will give town the information needed to then proceed to lynch scum, because a 1 to 1 trade of town to scum is necessarily good for town. Us dying won't accomplish that, we'll just flip town and people will scratch their heads and move on. So, considering this, and my -knowing for a fact- that when I post without my Clumsy filter in this hydra, for some reason people always scumread it, yeah I'm pretty damn cautious when I post alone. Even if you throw out, however, the fact that I know if I post alone I will likely get us scumread, I am -still- cautious about what I post because I know that if we do get scumread for what I say and we do get mislynched, it's bad for town.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

So Clumsy's response to my questions have been: 'You're stupid and make shitty assumptions cuz scum and my eyes glaze over when I see your posts nah nah nah scum scum'

I guess shaz wants to get lynched. Can't even answer my questions, and didn't bother giving thoughts on Maria. Go figure.

That's a funny way of saying "said your assumptions are shit so questions based on those assumptions are equally shit"

[Clumsy Phoenix]

If you ARE town then my suggestion is to stop worrying about what others think and worry about finding scum. This 'I'm always SR, poor me' approach sucks, and Socrates says you've used it as scum before. Since there's a precedent, idk why you think I (or anyone else) should just take your word for it here. It's contradictory to your own meta. So how can you use meta as an excuse for looking scummy when you've literally used that excuse as scum before? It invalidates the entire meta argument from the start, and so your posts (shaz side) look way worse in that light.

Okay but we literally aren't using that approach. See, you keep insisting that we aren't finding scum. We -have- found scum, it's -you-. We've given our reasons for scumreading you, you just don't like them. Doesn't mean that they aren't there. I've said "the meta is not an excuse for looking scummy", but you keep insisting we're using it as an excuse for looking scumy. You are trying -real- hard to convince people that we're a good wagon.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

You're still more worried about being SR than finding scum, and the only real SR you have apparently is me, because I'm questioning you. Or am I wrong?

We've given reasons for scum reading you, and it's not because you're questioning us. This is a great way of setting up being able to wash your hands of this lynch after it flips town.


P-edit: Shaz, I linked him our only scum game together, that's what he's referring to.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Nvm Can't read

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Like Maria voting majiff looks like a way to move attention to any wagon other than them/Clumsy. Clumsy refuses to comment on Maria, and Maria refuses to comment on clumsy. What if they were both scum? Lol

Eeexcept we have commented on Maria. I said I thought a thing they did was scummy, Clumsy pointed out that actually they do that as town. Aside from that, we've been busy dealing with the fact that we're pretty sure you're scum, and talking to Soc who is our biggest townread. You accused us of scumreading you because you're "questioning us". Socrates has also been questioning us, and is voting on us, yet we're pretty sure he's town. Add to that the fact that we've pointed out why we think you're scum and it isn't "because you're questioning us", your accusation is pretty shit, just like your assumptions. You're grubbing at things because you want to mislynch us real bad.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Dear town
Can we not lynch within my townreads.

Thank you
Love, Ali

Ok but Tywin is scum though, Alisae.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Okay maybe ABR flipped scum lol no it is so RARE you ever wagon 2 scum in a row let alone 1 on day 1 the fact everyone is okay with both these wagons should be red flag city showing scum are okay with this like this is mafia 101

What has you feeling ABR scum?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Tywin, you keep pushing angles on this that are not true. We have posted our reasons for scumreading you, and you saying that our only real SR is you because you're questioning us is frankly crap. You're angling for this slot to be the D1 mislynch, while also setting up the opportunity to say "Well he was really scummy!" and move on from it.

You side step anything we do say

So Clumsy's response to my questions have been: 'You're stupid and make shitty assumptions cuz scum and my eyes glaze over when I see your posts nah nah nah scum scum'

I guess shaz wants to get lynched. Can't even answer my questions, and didn't bother giving thoughts on Maria. Go figure.

And instead keep pushing this angle of us not helping ourselves. You keep bringing up what we've said about being scumread, and then point to it when we comment on it. If you keep pushing that, of course it's going to look like we're leaning on that. Also that last line is scumtastic. Your responses to us talking about anything is casting it aside and then repeating what you've been saying.

When you actually want to have a dialog instead of just repeating yourself and deflecting anything we say that you can't point at as scummy, let me know. For now, I gotta run and manage my tabletop game.

-Clumsy


P-edit: To those that are actually town, don't let those pushing this wagon through slide off with "they looked really scummy!" if we get lynched today.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Anybody who gets off this wagon, now that it has consolidated, will be viewed with extreme suspicion after Clumsy flips.

Remember this if we flip.

I just remembered this.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

What has you townreading Zefiend, Almost50?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Almost 50 is obv town but is just really really bad

I dunno, I'm not a fan of the "Lynch Clumsy and then be sure to lynch Maria regardless". Urging people to ignore the results of a flip and telling them not to draw conclusions from it is kinda bad.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Then again, I've seen it come from town too. I don't know if Almost is one of the kinds of folks who would do that regularly as town though.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Almost50, is your read on our slot mainly based on association to Maria's slot?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

You are both so scummy. It's unbelievable.

I mean, you've effectively secured a mislynch on us. You don't have to keep pushing this in the hopes that people will let you get past the whole early game "This is a wagon, if you leave this wagon when they flip you'll be in big trouble" thing.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Okay, I can see the thought process there. Assume, however, that we flip town. What direction does that take you in, wrt your reads?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Also I think you meant to quote me asking about your zefiend read and not Maria calling you bad when you said "this question has been answered", is that correct?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Okay, I can see the thought process there. Assume, however, that we flip town. What direction does that take you in, wrt your reads?

Well, THAT is the problem. IF you flip Town it won't give me any leads what-so-ever, which is why I didn't want your lynch as my prime choice to begin with.

I mean, we're defo going to if we get lynched. So be ready for disappointment. That said, that won't change your read on Maria at all, despite you seeing an association between us?

Also, as for your zefiend read, I was seeing that as towny too, but I feel like he's been doing what....Maria I think?...suggested scum are doing. That is, letting two town wagons get bickered over because they don't care, either is a mislynch. I'm beginning to lean town on Maria, if you couldn't tell. I think it's a possibility that zefiend is scum, but I'm not scumreading him if that makes sense. To put it in better words, I think he should be a townlean rather than a town read. Does that make sense?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Like Clumsy is all about talking in circles with how town they are for being cautious and not wanting to get lynched, but if they were town, their sole goal should be to get someone other than them lynched. The only confirmed player each townie has is themselves. So why hasn't Clumsy pushed to form a counter wagon? Stuff like that doesn't make any sense to me.

No, our sole goal should be to get scum lynched once we find 'em. We'd found 'em, it's you, we're pushing on you. You're doing it again.

Holy fuck, we've been talking about reads on: Zefiend, Socrates, MariaR, ABR
Mind you, those are just the ones that come to mind immediately. So your "you are just floating my name and have no seperate reads" is pretty blatant bullshit. You are sitting there lying your ass off about what is happening in the hopes that when we flip town (which you know we will), you'll be able to say "Oh but see just like I said, this and this!" and hope people don't realize that it's a blatant and obvious lie. We aren't "just claiming you're scum as if that makes it true", we have said -many- times now our reasons for believing you to be scum. You keep pretending we haven't because you're really hoping to convince people that we haven't, but literally looking at our ISO shows many times we've said "No, this is why we are scumreading you". We aren't talking in circles, we're talking incredibly directly and you are handwaving everything we say and returning to the same thing you just said. -You- are talking in circles.

But you are arguing that there's no way you'd get away with mislynching us. All the while making sure to try and bullshit your way to getting away with mislynching us.

If you flipped town, we'd look at the other people on your wagon and their reason for changing to a scumread on you. We'd probably want to look more into Zefiend, because as I've said he's a townlean but his current behavior isn't helping that stay up. Not sure what clumsy would do.

-Shaziro

[Clumsy Phoenix]

CP, entertain a seemingly random question: are there any reads that you guys

disagree

about?

I wouldn't mind if Imperium answered this question as well.

Not at the moment to the best of my knowledge, but I'll get with clumsy head as soon as I can and discuss this. We are usually pretty good about avoiding hydra dissonance. For a time previously in this game, my read on MariaR earlier based on their behavior vs Clumsy saying that was actually most likely either NAI or towny.

-Shaziro

[Clumsy Phoenix]

I'm here but in class and will answer you after class soc. Please don't lynch until then.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

I'm also ok with ABR hammering. But yeah, wait for the claim. Idk why he couldn't just do it right when he posted though. That seems odd. I remember my role without looking.

Because I was in class trying to write up a quick phone post. I'm walking to my last class now, when I get out I can answer. Christs sake

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Alright, back and claiming. We are Moori, Dende (Little Green)'s dad and the village elder. We're the guy who gets iced by Freeza. More specifically, we are a VT, but we hold the Six-Star Dragonball. No real special effects that I can see, and no special way to use the balls. As a side note on the topic of the dragon balls, despite the fact that I know discussion of them is largely over, it is almost certain that scum have either individual special uses for the balls or a special use they all share, because bringing a flipped scum back to life would be pretty much entirely pointless. In either case, I personally want either Socrates or Majiffy to be the one to hammer us, they're the ones I trust most to know what to do with the ball.

ON TO ANSWERING QUESTIONS! What do you mean by a risky read? A read that could also just as easily be wrong? Maybe Zefiend in that case, because again, I think he's town, but he could easily be content scum. Thinking you're town, Socrates, is somewhat risky I guess. You could easily be scum who has us pocketed somehow, but I just don't think that's the case. If I've misunderstood what you meant by risky please tell me so.

Idk why he couldn't just do it right when he posted though. That seems odd. I remember my role without looking.

I specifically said that I was in class and could answer after class. You follow up with this bullshit. You are trying to poison the well against us, because you're scum who wants to make the mislynch look less garbage. I'm going to keep pointing this out right up until we flip, because it should be blatantly obvious and apparently isn't.

is anyone still scumreading Tywin?

We are! (Yes, I know this wasn't directed at us.)

Jesus Christ this game is moving a little too fast for me at the moment. I only skimmed but what I saw was pretty disheartening. The Majiffy wagon dissolved for seemingly no reason, and the lynchbait wagon sprang up again. Consider this a prodge but I WILL get to this tomorrow.

I want this to come true, meaning I want Zefiend to have to come back and get somewhat active, before we get lynched. If Zefiend -is- scum, they're hoping the hammer will go through before they have to follow up on their word here that they'll get involved today.

Lastly, I still haven't had a chance to yak with Clumsy yet, no clue where he's at but is assumedly busy. I know his D&D night went until like, 2-3 AM, so I know he was sleeping for quite a while there.

-Shaziro

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Are you asking who we think is scum assuming you two are town, or asking our scumreads and asserting you are town?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

When I say flesh it out, it means ask questions, sort players, do anything other than angry defense. When will you ask me a question Clumsy? Or do you both just randomly believe your reads without thought or question? When you're wrong, it's pretty much your own fault then, because you didn't try to find out. Apparently, only a flip of whomever will ever give you any info, because you don't ask questions. That's what I mean when I say you haven't scum hunted or tried to sort anyone. Granted, my opinion is subjective like always, but that's how I see it.

Yeah... we definitely never asked questions or tried to sort players...

Spoiler:

You've hydra'd with Tywin, right? What do you think of him?

Socrates, do you have any experience with this player list?

Cool thanks. Next question. If we're town in your opinion, why no unvote?

Who is next on your scum list?

Yeaaaaaaaaah...
She's gonna post that way as either alignment.
VOTE: Clums

This seems like a very weak point to jump onto the wagon. Like the straw that broke the camels back instead of the relative boulders that came before. Especially since the Shaz head has no experience with MariaR whatsoever. Why was this the tipping point?

My eyes instinctively glaze over at Tywin's posts. I need to correct that.

Even the short ones?

I believe I explained in my first post that I hadn't gotten a hold of Clumsy in a bit and didn't want to lurk this game, we've had a problem with that in past when hydraing because we like to wait to speak with one another before posting. I can link our past games if anyone cares to see them and confirm that I am telling the truth wrt my posting and us lurking due to wanting to converse before posting.

Personally I think ABR hardpushing what he thinks is just kinda an ABR thing, fits him as a person from what I've seen. That said, anyone who has played with him has better meta knowledge than I do, so I figure I'll defer there first. Not sure if Clumsy has or hasn't.

Tywin, Alisae, and Socrates, have any of you given your thoughts on Desperado yet?

What exactly is the case on the Clumsy hydra

Before this gets answered, what are your current thoughts on us?

I don't think there's any threat of a quickhammer.

You should put it there now and then if your other head has serious concerns they can move it.

I'm okay with the vote going here I think.

Actually no, this isn't a TvT.
I don't believe that Tywin forgot that the clums hydra is scum.
With Majiffy they were like "Welp, 1 scum caught D1" and that's great an all but did Tywin suddenly forget about the Clums hydra? Because it doesn't read genuine to me?

Question for you Alisae: Do you feel like this is SvT only on Tywin's side? As in, if Tywin flips today, and if he flips town, do you still townread Majiffy?

guyz is anyone TRing Desperado?

Why did you hop over to Desperado? Not saying I agree or disagree with this, just wanting to know the reasoning of jumping off Tywin and onto Desp.

-Clumsy

Mmkay. You can be town.

As in, what are your reads on each person on it?

Okay maybe ABR flipped scum lol no it is so RARE you ever wagon 2 scum in a row let alone 1 on day 1 the fact everyone is okay with both these wagons should be red flag city showing scum are okay with this like this is mafia 101

What has you feeling ABR scum?

Almost50, is your read on our slot mainly based on association to Maria's slot?

Okay, I can see the thought process there. Assume, however, that we flip town. What direction does that take you in, wrt your reads?

Keep pushing that direction though.


Clumsy head thinks Tywin is scum, Not Chara is a weaker scum read, Imperium is really worrying me. Alisae is town, I think Socrates is town.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Your mind seems made up though, so I don't know why I'm continuing to show that your points are completely false.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

First of those three was shaziro, last two were clumsy.

-Shaziro

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Imperium hasn't seemed to do much, this day, sidelining pretty hard. If we -assume- Imperium is scum, it would make sense for them to be sidelining so much if the two main wagons, this hydra and Maria are town. Although I haven't played with them before, so I don't know if this is normal.
-Clumsy

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Shazhead here, I'm concerned about Desperado and zefiend, I see the concern with Imperium because they are kinda sidelining just like desp and zefiend. Not sure on Not Chara myself, but I can see it. I agree on townreads.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Ali was scum in Hogwarts where we were town, I'm most confident in the townreads and in Tywin scum. We are townleaning Maria based on behavior.

-Clumsy

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Our role pm says that we were destroyed by Freeza and his men or generals, one of the two, I'll check specific wording. Personally I just think Majiffy is towny, his interactions seems genuine. If you were conftown I would still think Majiffy was town, it'd just mean you two were in a TvT thing. Still pretty sure that won't be a problem though.

-Shaziro

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Yeah it says we got fucked up by Freeza and his men. Given that in the series the flavor is based on he gets absolutely wrecked...yeh.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Giving fake claims is pretty standard practice to avoid flavor being gamebreaking. That said I'd like to put forward once again that zefiend needs to be made to -be here- and say something relevant before we get the rope. He said he'd be here tomorrow, but if he thinks that we are getting mislynched and he's scum, that's a real good way to get away with lurking it out for a day phase.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

-Shaziro

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Anybody who gets off this wagon, now that it has consolidated, will be viewed with extreme suspicion after Clumsy flips.

Remember this if we flip.

Shaziro, why did you find this post significant?

Because it is pretty blatantly demanding that we get power lynched by saying that you will be called scummy for hopping off the wagon. It is a bullying tactic to try and make us get lynched without resistance. I know I'm town, so I know it is bullying people into a mislynch. If we flip it will be made clear that we are town, and as such the person who tried to bully people into not leaving a mislynch should be looked on with the suspicion.

Clumsy is working a double shift tonight but will be back tonight before bed. If he tells me there is a change of plan I will notify y'all.

-Shaziro

[Clumsy Phoenix]

It should go without saying that ball ownership should be counterclaimed with impunity.

Counterclaimed?? Are the balls in the show of certain functions each? Or are they related to certain characters?? Because from what I read (trying to familiarize myself with the flavour) they had so many users I don't even think anyone would fake claim having x-star ball to begin with. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Btw, I love this fat Guru guy Kuroi keeps using in the VCs, and from what little I've seen he is weird and ordering Nail around like the latter is his slave or something.

I also want those who are familiar with the flavour to weigh in regarding that claim. Does it sound legit? Is that character a main character (as in must be included) or does sound more like a safe fake-claim (Kuroi does provide those, btw).

Dragon balls are individually identifiable by their star number. It's in the opening rule post. Clumsy claimed to have the six star ball. If someone else has the six-star ball, they should counter immediately.

My point is/was: If they're Scum and have the 6-star ball there's no need for them to fake claim THAT. Having a ball on it's own isn't a Town feature .. or is it?? If it IS, then with no CC they're Town. If it isn't then there's no way we can tell their alignment just from having this particular ball, so it's safe for them to claim it anyway.

Couple things. I think it's rash to assume having a ball is a Town feature. It MAY be a town feature, as it would kind of make sense with the Namekians having them to begin with, however this isn't a good reason to townread someone. Even if it was a Town only feature, after Night One it can't be used again.

Also, flavor claims for alignment are also out, as I'm sure scum have fake claims that would fit. To be honest, we can't even believe an uncountered Goku claim, because Captain Ginyu is a character.

Also I don't see why scum would fake claim having a ball? It's easily confirmed/disproved, aside from trying to coax out who actually has that ball. And no, in the show, they have no individual power (aside from glowing when close to others, but that was long ditched and forgotten by this point in the series), only when they're all together.

To answer the question Almost had, Moori is not a main character at all. He had a few minutes of screen time total, and I really liked DBZ (abridged and original, with Namek and Cell sagas being my shit) and I had no clue what this guy's name was.

-Clumsy

[Clumsy Phoenix]

I was actually going to make a post about the second one, but realized a flaw in my logic.

Clumsy, what were you going to say here and what was the flaw in your logic?

(As an aside, I like this post - I do think that Tywin occasionally has a tone that comes across as fake and his many words over not knowing the DBZ flavor certainly plays into that, and I think the nuance in having a reason for pushing him but letting it go from expressing it is nicely faked if he's scum here.)

I was going to point out that my win condition says nothing about being

'against' freeza and his generals, whoever the fuck that is.

But the flaw being the little flavor blurb could say "Freeza and his generals" just as likely as him knowing they are referred to as such because he was one of them. Also, we have a Sample VT PM in the opening posts, so he would have seen the win condition there.

-Clumsy

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Both Shaz and I are liking Imperium's ISO dives, but we also had the same feeling that it may not be a great read because it is defending us (and we're going to be more likely to like it because of that).

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Yeah Appule is just one of Freeza's men. I just assumed he used Appule because the "good" characters were a little limited.

-sigh-

[Clumsy Phoenix]

ABR what is your read on us ATM?

-Shaziro

[Clumsy Phoenix]

ABR what is your read on us ATM?

-Shaziro

Not super sure.

Can you explain a bit more?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

I'll be dragging Shaz in here to catch up with me soon, had a busy day yesterday. Catching up soon.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Hi, shazhead here. I'm busy catching up on my phone before chatting with clumshead, BUT:

Majiffy, I'm sorry to hear what's going on and I hope things get better. I'm around if you need somebody to vent to.

Aliases, same for you, but also you aren't worthless by any means. I enjoy seeing you around and you brighten up the site in a big way. I know it isn't much coming from a rando on the web, but it's the truth.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

This game is getting really annoying to read. It really feels like a lot of this is arguing in circles. First off:

Love to Alisae and Majiffy, life sucks sometimes, but it gets better. Smoke will clear, rain will stop, and the sun is just on the other side of the tunnel.

---

I think the best way to consolidate our reads here is like this:




Town:
Alisae
Socrates
Majiffy
Imperium (Shaz)


Good information lynches:
Majiffy
Tywin
Almost50
ABR


Scumreads:
ɀefiend
Desperado
Tywin


Unsure:
Vifam
Not Chara
MariaR


So with this, the overlap from information and our scumreads is Tywin, so we would prefer that to be the lynch today. Failing that, we'd also be okay with the other in scumreads, and in the Unsure category if we had to, but we think there are better lynches than that category. Deadline is soon, we need to consolidate.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Lots of associative information. Those slots have taken some pretty hard stances in regards to other slots (Such as the Jiffy vs Tywin, Almost50 defending Tywin, ABR's townreading of certain slots, etc.). If one of those flips, we'll have some good information about the rest of the game. For instance, if Tywin flips scum, I think Jiffy is town, but also if Jiffy flips scum, that may mean Tywin is actually town.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Starting here the push from Majiffy seems towny to me, and because of the way it's done, I don't think this is scum bussing. The Tywin wagon has had me on it, and nothing other than that lately, and this late in the day, I don't see this happening as bussing. All of this from Majiffy puts this as either TvT or TvS to me, and I'm definitely on the side of Jiffy town. So, if Tywin flips and is scum, Jiffy is town to me pretty hard.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Tywin is the best lynch.

-Shaziro

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Shazhead could vote Maria if Clumsy agrees, but if she flips town I think it'll be real clear she was scum counterwagon to Tywin. I don't like the pressure based on "urgent deadline" when we have lots of time

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Vote: MariaR

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Shaziro head doesn't trust Not Chara with the dragon balls.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Actually there is a lot of wifom for scum there.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

I genuinely don't believe that you were delaying anything, NC

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Maria's @L-2

This was the same count that I had it at so I think the mod's last VC is incorrect and Maria is still at L-1

UNVOTE: then

[Clumsy Phoenix]

If it isn't, I would much rather lynch Tywin, but I want myself, Socrates, or Majiffy hammering. Sorry Not Chara.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

ABR what is your read on Alisae?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Yeah, Tywin is almost definitely town. I don't see that 1v1 happening SvS. Reassessing reads. Still think Socrates is town.

@Mod: Is uh... is Jiffy supposed to still be in that Not Voting list?

Thanks for pointing that out
~Gin~

KuroiXHF: Fixed your color, Gin!

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Like I said, reassessing now. Re-reading things. Get back to you on that.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

tbh I think Tywin and Majiffy are town getting into a fight.

Thoughts on this then, ABR?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

For those wondering, I did request a replacement, but then I cooled off and rescinded it.

Looking at the flips and based on my own role, we should massclaim.

I'm willing to start.

Glad you decided to stay. Talk me through why we should massclaim? (I don't know the theory on when massclaim is optimal)

[Clumsy Phoenix]

I don't see where you are seeing Desp try to avoid it. Show me?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Well before diving back into things, the following would be okay:

Zefiend
Desperado

----

Vifam is very very quiet and that's a bit worrisome.

Not lynching today: Socrates or Tywin.



I want to hear from Socrates about the massclaim thing first before voting.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

I don't see where you are seeing Desp try to avoid it. Show me?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Shazhead here catching up, Tywin I don't know if it's because you're now pretty obvtown, because you're not just shouting back and forth with us or Majiffy, or because you're not posting walls, but I'm reading your posts and they make sense and everything.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Also Socrates, while you're writing up your argument for a mass claim (which I want to see despite us having claimed), what is your read on our slot?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

I have a double today at work, but just popping in real fast here to say 2 things.

1, I had the same thought about the potential SK. But, as said, SK is priority after Mafia.

2, Socrates is now weirding me out, but I think I get where he's coming from. Question for everyone: I townread him hard, how many others townread him before? If it's quite a few, why would he throw that away on what would be a gambit as scum?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

I think our vote going onto Desperado will be L-1, but I'm on mobile, so checking is difficult. Shaz, when you get on today, feel free to put it there if you like.

We also have to discuss who will hammer. And just in case, Don't unvote to the point of removing Desperado from leading wagon.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Explain why.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

VOTE: Desperado

ABR, is there any other reason that your read on us has changed other than NC's point?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

NC is right, my role is Moori, IT. He's the village elder guy, I think the one that shoots off the scanners Freeza and his men were using. What else needs to be said about the role?

Going to reread the rest when I wake up more, but this I can answer now.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Vifam definitely needs replacement or to really get into the game. Or Vig/SK could do us a solid

[Clumsy Phoenix]

That's assuming that it's a vig that'll listen to you, or an SK that will make that play.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Work has utterly been destroying me lately. I'll be on either tomorrow or tonight after my doubleshift with something substantial. Site wide heads up.

-Clumsy

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Picking up the prod, apologies for not having more to say but it's 3 am and I just woke up because power blink so I'm phone posting. More tomorrow, I promise.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

The reason those players get no votes or traction is stupidly obvious.

I don't understand what you mean. What is the reason lycan and clumsy get no votes? There's only two scum left. If they have no votes, its because town thinks they don't deserve it. One or both might be town. I'm sure that Desperado is scum, he hasn't changed anything since D1 to make me think twice about this.

Was hoping to get with Clumsy before posting but he's AWOL and civ night is about to start. Have you said in thread where this super town read comes from? Last I recall you were unsure on us.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Trying to get Internet on something other than my phone, desperado is a better lynch than Alisae imo but I don't know what clumshead thinks about it.

-Shaziro

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Hey, I'm back (Clumsy). Sorry for my absence, been working more lately. Finally on my day off. Couple questions getting back into this:

Why is this day taking forever?
Are the last few pages just people arguing back and forth with no change of opinions? Or is it actually worth reading?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Yeah, got that much. Unless something substantial has changed, I think we're staying Desperado. And I see we have a game of chicken going on. Neat.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Yeah, I had already thought the first one too. It would be fairly easy to justify a vote hop with deadline approaching.

Has the discussion been brought up of possibly 2 town wagons? If yours is pushed by town ( not sure of composition, have to check), scum would be happy with either wagon or the no-lynch, hence the standstill.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Damn guys I just woke up!

Real fast, I don't like Alisae's posts from today at all. They look Terri-bad. In what circumstances does the flip make Almost scum? I'm not following that part right now

[Clumsy Phoenix]

@TTywi: that doesn't conf town us, but -shrug-.

Where do we go after this?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

I think so, and now we only have to worry about scum. I was just thinking that I wish we had gotten a vig claim before today, because Vegeta would never claim after this. Lol.

I think we still lynch SK though. Reducing amount of kills.

8 alive, 5 to lynch. Ugh I'm not awake enough for math yet.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Actually, the lynch pool after this is in Clumsy/Alisae/Lycan. Everyone else fought against the Desperado lynch and Desperado had to hammer himself eventually to get us to this status.

So, of the 3 in the lynch pool, whoever has a Town PM knows the other two are scum 100% now, and knows not to oppose Tywin/Chara/Music because they're 100% Town at this point.

P.S. And JUST TO BE ULTRA SURE, tomorrow we should lynch Alisae. Flipping him as a scum will cut the road on anyone who tries to WIFOM Music Box (by claiming both Alisae & Desperado were Town wagons).

I think I'm okay with this, but why is Music 100% town? I'm missing something.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

That's kind of a crappy place to put the mod, replacing the slot that will be getting hanged today. Btw only waiting on voting until I get a better grasp of where we are with everything now.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Couldn't that just be white knighting though? Getting credit just like this? I don't want to conf town someone and be wrong on it.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

ABR shot Almost. This isn't a lie. Almost lived because he's town.
Trying to understand here what's going on.

Why do you say this?

I hate everything.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

What I'm asking is, are you doing stream of consciousness catching up or have you read everything?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Oh okay nevermind then. You'll see why I thought it was weird if you haven't gotten there yet.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

I think we're good to move on to the lynch, but I'd like to hear from Lycan too. Replacing this slot is obnoxious.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

NC, get in here and hammer, else I will.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

That works too. I don't mind putting them at -1 for NC if they get here.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

this is fucking obvious multiball with abr trying to pull a fast one. i would say abr, majiffy and a50, chara teams

This seems way out of left field. Why two scum teams? What flavor would they be? At best I could see scum and SK (Vegeta). Explain how 2 scum teams would exist flavor wise.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

I just don't care. Im lynching ABR. Sort the rest tomorrow.

-Shaziro

[Clumsy Phoenix]

VOTE: ABR

[Clumsy Phoenix]

We're cool with the Lycan lynch. First though, should we get all the rest of the claims out? Who hasn't claimed now?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

I've kind of lost track of the last few pages, was NC cleared by something I'm not remembering? Jog my memory

[Clumsy Phoenix]

So you don't remember why NC is town to you?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Like I agree Lycan dies today, but if that doesn't flip scum, we need to know where to go after.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Yeah, I'm inclined to think 2 maf 1 sk, but I guess we'll find out soon enough. VOTE: Lycan

[Clumsy Phoenix]

yeah same. 1v1ing Music Box

is going to be

fun.
If the game doesn't end then tomorrow is mylo.

This strikes me as odd. Maybe nothing, but it stood out to me.

I still hate everything.

I always notice right as I hit submit too. UGH.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

I was surprised by a no kill. Sitting and thinking, the only thing I can come up with is something to do with the Alisae/Musicbox 1v1 that was suggested today. Maybe they thought the kill would give us too much info? Or, if Alisae/Music are both town, could be angling for them both to die.

Apart from keeping someone in the game to help a mislynch, I got nothing. Even with that, it's a change from 1 mislynch needed to 2 any way you slice it. Or maybe we have another PR? In which case we would have a guilty or clear today, and that would be huge for us.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

I think we have this game solved 75% of the time here. I can confirm that Almost is probably my number 1, townread based on a lot of things.

We wanted NC to hammer, yes?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Sure, give me a few minutes to talk with Shaz and make sure we're on the same page here.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Hey, has everyone claimed?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

NC is an even-night commuter.

Yeah I know that one. We claimed VT a long long time ago. What was everyone else? Really don't feel like ISO hunting right now

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Mmkay, thanks. Music Box, what're you?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Mmkay cool.

there we go.

i'm an even-night commuter. ;>

NC, what's your flavor?

[Clumsy Phoenix]

And Almost is Super Kami Guru, VT. Okay, so that leaves town power roles at Doctor and Even Night Commuter. Sounds about right, two PRs. We were worried about the possibility of that being a gambit from scum (no-killing, then claiming that for a free win), but it fits with power distribution I think.

VOTE: Music Box

Almost50, we want you to hammer this.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Whoo go town!

Also, freaking TOLD YOU GUYS that we get scumread as hell early in this hydra as town. Still no idea why, we're pretty decent about getting townread as town on our individual accounts. My current guess is the hydra picture.

GG all!