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ofrhz · Post Post #5 (isolation #0) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:35 am

Hype!

VOTE: pisskop

ofrhz · Post Post #75 (isolation #1) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:57 pm

what

nooo saudade

ofrhz · Post Post #79 (isolation #2) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:03 pm

In post 78, Nero Cain wrote:rosterfoster
ofrhz
BodhiSmith13
Creature

no

ofrhz · Post Post #81 (isolation #3) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:05 pm

I could be satan, but I'm not scum!

ofrhz · Post Post #83 (isolation #4) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:06 pm

At least one wrong!

ofrhz · Post Post #236 (isolation #5) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:00 pm

In post 91, RedFlavor wrote:I was almost gonna say "Hi Skitter" to you

Red and Montosh are probably not scum together

ofrhz · Post Post #239 (isolation #6) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:04 pm

In post 116, Montosh wrote:If more people read it that way I may be in the wrong. I still don't see that though.

I thought you were serious at first too because your tone sounded serious.

In post 131, Montosh wrote:Fine if three people see it then maybe it's me. I will endeavour to be more clear. Commencing now all posts will have serious disclaimers.

Since more people have said they thought you were serious, why are you still voting for Nero? Is 101 still that odd

ofrhz · Post Post #240 (isolation #7) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:05 pm

In post 142, LuckyOtter wrote:
In post 58, Kirari Momobami wrote:I think town!Saudade would have omgus'd my RVS and his non-reaction here makes me kinda think I landed on scum
Is this based on meta?

What else would it be based on

ofrhz · Post Post #241 (isolation #8) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:07 pm

In post 156, RedFlavor wrote:Kublai pushing NC list seems opportunistic imo.
VOTE: Kublai Khan

He didn't really push the NC list...?

ofrhz · Post Post #242 (isolation #9) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:13 pm

In post 223, Nero Cain wrote:oh forgot ofrhz, I don't really like that guy either.

oof

ofrhz · Post Post #243 (isolation #10) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:13 pm

I think Vork is town

ofrhz · Post Post #244 (isolation #11) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:14 pm

VOTE: Red

ofrhz · Post Post #252 (isolation #12) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:19 pm

In post 156, RedFlavor wrote:Kublai pushing NC list seems opportunistic imo.
VOTE: Kublai Khan

Mostly this

I didn't think the sorry thing was scummy though

ofrhz · Post Post #254 (isolation #13) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:29 pm

What was opportunistic about those posts tho

Probably better to let Red answer

ofrhz · Post Post #265 (isolation #14) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:32 pm

What? Why would you guys want him to claim already

UNVOTE:

ofrhz · Post Post #290 (isolation #15) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:07 pm

Montosh feels different enough from Mini 2075 that he can be town for now

ofrhz · Post Post #292 (isolation #16) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:32 pm

Why did you feel the need to say that you’re uninformed?

ofrhz · Post Post #295 (isolation #17) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:38 pm

I don’t get it @dean

ofrhz · Post Post #355 (isolation #18) » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:31 pm

In post 339, rosterfoster wrote:KK is the most towniest town I have ever seen though, which is good.

? Why?

ofrhz · Post Post #356 (isolation #19) » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:01 pm

I want to say Kirari is probably town

ofrhz · Post Post #374 (isolation #20) » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:16 pm

In post 357, pisskop wrote:I want to say thats probably premature.

Why?

In post 360, pisskop wrote:
Spoiler: Ofrhz
In post 236, ofrhz wrote:
In post 91, RedFlavor wrote:I was almost gonna say "Hi Skitter" to you
Red and Montosh are probably not scum together

In post 265, ofrhz wrote:What? Why would you guys want him to claim already

UNVOTE:

In post 290, ofrhz wrote:Montosh feels different enough from Mini 2075 that he can be town for now

In post 292, ofrhz wrote:Why did you feel the need to say that you’re uninformed?

In post 356, ofrhz wrote:I want to say Kirari is probably town

ugh, I feel like this drips town, in a sickly way. I want to say its almost LAMIST

Explain?

ofrhz · Post Post #377 (isolation #21) » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:21 pm

A lot of effort?

ofrhz · Post Post #385 (isolation #22) » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:05 pm

In post 378, pisskop wrote:Yea. I think its just a playstyle thing, but Im interested in seeing if it continues, or if the pattern changes.

Tbh I don’t think I’ve put in that much effort and I’m surprised you have that impression

ofrhz · Post Post #386 (isolation #23) » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:11 pm

In post 383, RedFlavor wrote:VOTE: Creature

Why?

ofrhz · Post Post #432 (isolation #24) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:09 pm

In post 416, Alchemist21 wrote:Convince me on Roster?

I feel like if I’m wrong on Roster then I was originally right on Montosh. I’m pretty sure there’s exactly 1 scum in that pair.

Why? I'm leaning towards both being town

ofrhz · Post Post #433 (isolation #25) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:15 pm

In post 420, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 419, Kirari Momobami wrote:Fair. Why do you think there's an S in roster/montosh?
Because I’ve had scumreads on both of them. I have a good record of having an accurate scumread early-mid D1 but it also tends to happen that I end up leaving the correct scumread for a wrong one. So either Roster’s the correct read that I’m on now or Montosh is the correct read that I got distracted from.

I also don’t see them being scum together because I don’t think scum would defend a buddy that hard this early on.

....ok

ofrhz · Post Post #522 (isolation #26) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:59 am

In post 468, HeWhoSwims wrote:Am alive. Sorry, I was on an unexpected trip.

In post 316, LuckyOtter wrote:Speaking of late joiners, comparing Kop to EvilDeanius, Kop at least attempted to post something relevant. EvilDeanius entered with a joke statement, which is fine, but then an hour later has nothing to contribute other than explaining his joke post. He's going on my watchlist.
I think that's a good catch and I think it really is something scum could do.

I feel like what EvilDeanius did is one of those things that seem scummy superficially but actually aren’t

ofrhz · Post Post #523 (isolation #27) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:03 am

In post 482, rosterfoster wrote:In other news Jesus is town

Why?

ofrhz · Post Post #524 (isolation #28) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:04 am

In post 502, RedFlavor wrote:@everyone which player can you read the best?

I’m not very familiar with anyone in this playerlist

ofrhz · Post Post #525 (isolation #29) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:07 am

In post 512, Vorkuta wrote:Personal Self Vote outside of RVS statistics
Town - 1 (mbaki autumn farewell)
Scum - (more than 1)

I think the pisskop self vote was meant to be surrounded by

Code: Select all

 tags and the self vote was unintentional

ofrhz · Post Post #526 (isolation #30) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:10 am

VOTE: hws

ofrhz · Post Post #530 (isolation #31) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:33 am

Yeah but idk if I can read you that reliably

ofrhz · Post Post #531 (isolation #32) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:40 am

I’m actually only the third vote on hws. How did his wagon disappear?

ofrhz · Post Post #534 (isolation #33) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:02 pm

In post 532, HeWhoSwims wrote:
In post 506, RedFlavor wrote:
In post 468, HeWhoSwims wrote:I think that's a good catch and I think it really is something scum could do.
You do? Why?

I think "empty posting" is telling for scum personally - making posts that seem relevant but arent really saying anything.
Of course meta plays a role here too - for example I think Creature usually posts short posts? But I didn't know ED before and as Otter said, it's just no contribution at all. If that akes sense.

I disagree that ED came in and did the bolded though

I feel like coming in, joke claiming miller, and not making game related content attracts the kind of negative attention that scum don’t want

ofrhz · Post Post #545 (isolation #34) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:02 pm

Let’s all wagon hws

ofrhz · Post Post #547 (isolation #35) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:04 pm

In post 546, Vorkuta wrote:VOTE: hws

Nice

ofrhz · Post Post #621 (isolation #36) » Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:26 am

You liked him calling you scum on his wagon? What about his response did you like

ofrhz · Post Post #623 (isolation #37) » Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:32 am

In post 584, Kublai Khan wrote:Vorkuta pushing a Creature wagon out of nowhere feels opportunistic af. I've been in two games with town!Creature and I was convinced both times that he was scum based on the content of his posts.

I think this is cherrypicking - why is Vork starting a creature wagon opportunistic but not the people who jumped on the wagon after him?

ofrhz · Post Post #624 (isolation #38) » Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:32 am

Why roster?

ofrhz · Post Post #625 (isolation #39) » Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:39 am

In post 614, DeasVail wrote:
In post 243, ofrhz wrote:I think Vork is town
This post is odd timing imo as I thought the Vork posts immediately preceding this were pretty uninspiring but I'm eager to hear why I'm wrong!

Looking back, I think I just liked his take on Montosh

ofrhz · Post Post #626 (isolation #40) » Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:41 am

In post 622, rosterfoster wrote:
In post 601, Creature wrote:I wonder what's the resistance to HWS seeing everybody softed a scumread on them but never pulled a train on him like they did to me
I liked this.

VOTE: Orfhz

In post 624, ofrhz wrote:Why roster?

ofrhz · Post Post #633 (isolation #41) » Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:09 pm

In post 627, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 623, ofrhz wrote:
In post 584, Kublai Khan wrote:Vorkuta pushing a Creature wagon out of nowhere feels opportunistic af. I've been in two games with town!Creature and I was convinced both times that he was scum based on the content of his posts.
I think this is cherrypicking - why is Vork starting a creature wagon opportunistic but not the people who jumped on the wagon after him?
Well, it's Vorkuta's second attempt at a wagon on Creature without anything beyond meta. Creature is low-hanging fruit who hasn't done much and I think Vorkuta is either scum or really lazy town for going after him.

sure it's his second time calling for a creature wagon but i think you can just as easily chastise the rest of the wagon for being scum or lazy

ofrhz · Post Post #634 (isolation #42) » Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:09 pm

sup eyes

ofrhz · Post Post #759 (isolation #43) » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:37 pm

In post 680, Eyes without a face wrote:Really? Let's find out. Do your best.

VOTE: Niko

This kind of reaction to being voted has been town indicative for eyes in the past

Would feel more strongly about this if I didn't tell eyes exactly how I read him in our last game together

ofrhz · Post Post #760 (isolation #44) » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:39 pm

In post 681, Niko wrote:zzz

am I getting in a 1v1 already? it`s not even been a day.

anyway eyes, i`ll make a full case about you when i finish reading the game.

but hint hint i`ll give you some spoilers:

you said that the last time someone claimed scum they were scum, but what about eji in panic room?

Upsy-daisyyy youuu, you forgot about it huh

This is where i`m at:

You saw me as an easy target and was testing waters with that post to see if I was a viable wagon or not, and you upsy-daisily forgot about games you played where town scum claimed to show off you`ve ~valid~ reasons to wolf read me.

Do you have anything to say about it?

oh hi

ofrhz · Post Post #761 (isolation #45) » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:47 pm

In post 715, Niko wrote:
In post 696, Eyes without a face wrote:
In post 681, Niko wrote:you said that the last time someone claimed scum they were scum, but what about eji in panic room?
1- I think that jazz game came after panic room
2- I didn't even remember ejji in panic room because I WAS SCUM THERE, do didn't need to figure out anyone's alignment
that`s a bullshit excuse and you should know it.

But even if you actually had forgot about it, me remembering you about it didn`t do anything about your read on me apparently.

I`m foreseeing you going to the "twice they were scum, once they were town" so i'll bring another example of town scumclaiming.

Fumuki also scum claimed on that Panic Room game. And I'm pretty confident that if I was to read more games you played, I would find even more examples of town joke scum claiming.

You were testing waters with that post and you wanted to present *evidence* that scum claiming in your first post is scummy. Also the fact you posted things like this:

Spoiler:
In post 640, Eyes without a face wrote:Hi all. Sorry my catch up yesterday was cut short. I promise to try my best to do better today.

ofrhz reaction to Nero's SR is rubbing me the right way. I now TR ofrhz

In post 646, Eyes without a face wrote:Btw I am on-and-off for the next couple of hours. I read between sessions of other activities. But I still promise to be all caught up within a few hours (if you don't all go berserk and shitpost half a dozen more pages per hour)

Shows that you kind of feel ~obliged~ to show effort, what is not necessarily always scummy but it makes you more likely scum overall. You also had 0 scum reads and even your post about me is saying "I dunno about this". It wasn't until I provoked you that you felt that it was "safe" to vote someone.

I think you may be scum Niko

You're usually not so insistent about your reads and constantly reassess when given new information as town

ofrhz · Post Post #762 (isolation #46) » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:49 pm

In post 729, Nero Cain wrote:My reasoning for gut scumreading ofrhz is kinda odd

In post 75, ofrhz wrote:what

nooo saudade
Why does town ofrhz give a shit if saudade replaces out?

Because I liked playing with Saudade in our last game together

ofrhz · Post Post #763 (isolation #47) » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:53 pm

VOTE: Niko

ofrhz · Post Post #886 (isolation #48) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 3:34 pm

In post 836, Eyes without a face wrote:
In post 759, ofrhz wrote:Would feel more strongly about this if I didn't tell eyes exactly how I read him in our last game together
Do you think I deliberately responded this way to get TR'd by you specifically in a game this big?

Yeah especially if you’re not familiar with most people in this list

ofrhz · Post Post #887 (isolation #49) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 3:52 pm

@Niko

I feel like you’ve changed the narrative wrt why you’re playing not only differently but scummily:
- you get talked out of your correct early gut reads
- you want to stay alive because you’re a claimed pr
- playing your usual towngame is stressful and doing confusing gambits is more fun

The first two doesn’t explain why you’re playing scummy. The last one is more plausible but also doesn’t jive with what you claimed (you said you want to stay alive to use your vig shot and you decide to do that by doing weird gambits?)

I do think your game is somewhat similar to that aggressive scumgame of yours from a long time ago where you talked about weird setup stuff and 1v1d someone over it.

I still don’t understand your eyes scumread

Do you still scumred kublai? Why is he townier than eyes vork and otter?

ofrhz · Post Post #916 (isolation #50) » Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:49 am

But I think eyes is town

ofrhz · Post Post #961 (isolation #51) » Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:36 pm

In post 910, Niko wrote:I didn't plan to post, I would only log in to check if I already had been lynched to sign up for another game since I was considering this one as a lost cause but...I saw this:
In post 881, Eyes without a face wrote:@Niko: If I volunteer to be lynched today and I flip TOWN, would you be willing to volunteerily eat rope on D2? No ifs and buts. Consider it your vig shot on me and then die for your bad reads )if you're town to begin with). Please say yes.

In post 882, Eyes without a face wrote:Like, nobody wants a shitty vig around anyway, so let's test your "most confident read". I would offer you the same bargain on Vork, except I dunno id he is willing to volunteer to be today's lynch.
This is
literally
a
scum claim
.

He is voting me and calling me scum, but here he is treating me as town, and is willing to waste one lynch on himself to actually make me
ACCEPT
my own lynch.

Do you really think that Eyes is dumb enough to say to someone he think it's scum "lynch me first and afterwards accept your lynch" when I was already looking like the lynch today anyway?

It makes 0 SENSE from a town pov.

However, scum!Eyes loves to be LAMIST, in one of his scum games, he said "I'm fine with you guys lynching me in day 1 because that's how I won my a town game for the first time".

He also thinks that even if I was to say "fine, I will trade my flip for yours, deal accepted", no one else would come along with us (or so he imagines, I've hope that people notice how bad this post is).

Then yeah Eyes, I accept that if you want. If you flip town, I'm fine with self-voting tomorrow.

However, you're not going to flip town at all because no town needs to make their scum reads accept their own lynches this hard.

VOTE: eyes

His post here really isn’t comparable to his post in panic room

Here he is trying to reaction test you and his tone comes off as aggressive.

The one in panic room where he was scum, the tone in his post was more resigned

ofrhz · Post Post #963 (isolation #52) » Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:36 pm

I also think Jesus is scummy

ofrhz · Post Post #964 (isolation #53) » Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:37 pm

Deas, what did you find towny about niko?

ofrhz · Post Post #965 (isolation #54) » Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:39 pm

In post 954, DeasVail wrote:Seriously people are saying an otter wagon won’t happen but why not? The people saying that are the ones stopping it from happening

Some of his posts scumpinged me early but I’m not sure if its his play style that’s pinging me and haven’t gotten around to reading his games

ofrhz · Post Post #1102 (isolation #55) » Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:54 pm

sorry niko

ofrhz · Post Post #1208 (isolation #56) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:59 am

ok I'm going to stop procrastinating on rereading this game

someone slap me if I don't do my homework

ofrhz · Post Post #1214 (isolation #57) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:41 am

VOTE: jesus

ofrhz · Post Post #1216 (isolation #58) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:04 am

In post 1105, LuckyOtter wrote:
In post 1103, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1072, LuckyOtter wrote:Trying to get caught up. I'm really not liking the flashwagon on Jesus yesterday because of his "do you have a gun" comment. Like, did you all really think that was rolefishing? @LUV, roster, redflavor.
It could be role-fishing. Creature was role-fishing early on. What town reason does he have to ask?
His comment read as a joke to me and the jumping on him seems suspect.

It evidently wasn’t a joke

ofrhz · Post Post #1218 (isolation #59) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:06 am

Man this game is so hard to get into. People keep writing quote walls

ofrhz · Post Post #1219 (isolation #60) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:10 am

In post 1217, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 1214, ofrhz wrote:VOTE: jesus
I am happy to indulge your kinks

Why is jesus scum now? Have you begun worshipping buddha?

I didn’t like his votes around deadline yesterday

His reaction to guns blazing does seem rolefishy too

ofrhz · Post Post #1220 (isolation #61) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:10 am

In post 906, Jesus Louisus wrote:
In post 862, Niko wrote:I'm an Even Night Vigilante, not bulletproof.

All that lolz claiming and all was to claim bp later and make either scum think I'm bp and shot elsewhere or to make them waste their strongman on me (and it seems like it was working?). I didn't want to play my normal town meta because not only I'm tired of it, but I also I could be shot N1 since I'm always obvtown, and I wanted to stick around and play vigilante for once, it's my first time rolling it and there's the novelty and all. I also wanted to play a bit silly.

I'm not SK because I can only shoot in Even Nights, and my play here doesn't even make sense as a SK. a SK here would as a matter of fact be bulletproof, and therefore would do everything but claim bulletproof, because they don't want to risk mafia using a strongman on them (and if there's a SK, mafia probably needs a strongman, a no-bp SK is just bad design).

That's why I believe in a 3p scum team as well, I don't think that it's reasonable to have a babysitter together with a vigilante against a 4 man team, it can...end up wildly. I'm kind of expecting there to exist a Odd Night Vigilante as well by the way.

I also like thinking about a possible smaller team, since I use associatives, if I suppose it's 4 man when it's only 3 man, it's going to mess up my reads. There's no problem if I guess it's 3 man when it's 4 man, but there's problem to my reads if I suppose it's 4 man when it's 3 man.

Game meta nowadays is town sided so with everything considered I thought it was more likely a 3 man team. Oh, and I'm not horrible enough as scum to need some dumb "telling" of saying it's 3 man when it's 4 man, that's kind of really silly.

I'm still waiting for Kiri to confirm if she is or not a babysitter by the way.

With the deadline close and all, I'll compromise on Vorkuta but what I truly wanted is Eyes.
UNVOTE:

I don't think I did but,
If I hammered, oh well. It could be worse.

This is pretty bad

ofrhz · Post Post #1223 (isolation #62) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:13 am

Why not Jesus? I think Vorkuta’s early vote on Creature was towny

I think if he were SvS with Creature, he would’ve played it up more?

ofrhz · Post Post #1224 (isolation #63) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:15 am

In post 1222, Vorkuta wrote:I will stop quotewalling if you vote creature

Lol um

ofrhz · Post Post #1225 (isolation #64) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:16 am

Why haven’t you voted for creature yet, vork?

ofrhz · Post Post #1227 (isolation #65) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:23 am

In post 1215, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 1201, Montosh wrote:
Vork:

233 Never been able to read Creature. Didn't pretend to be able to this game. And yeah he was scum. But I still ask why this?

yes

And what were you saying yes to?

ofrhz · Post Post #1229 (isolation #66) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:27 am

Yeah same hence the questions

ofrhz · Post Post #1234 (isolation #67) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:31 am

ofrhz · Post Post #1238 (isolation #68) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:35 am

Vorks still town

ofrhz · Post Post #1240 (isolation #69) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:35 am

Anyone townreading Jesus?

ofrhz · Post Post #1250 (isolation #70) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:10 pm

In post 1248, LuckyOtter wrote:Yeah :/ I honestly don't know what to make of him anymore. But his position on the creature wagon seems like not something a scumbuddy would likely do.

The fake L-1? I don't see why that can't come from a partner?

ofrhz · Post Post #1251 (isolation #71) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:11 pm

In post 1247, DeasVail wrote:I think Vorkuta is more scummy than Jesus fwiw, and I also have serious concerns about Lil Uzi Vert

Disagree about Vorkuta and Jesus

I do think that LUV has kind of flown under the radar thus far

ofrhz · Post Post #1253 (isolation #72) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:16 pm

Why nom? I kinda liked her interaction with Jesus

ofrhz · Post Post #1266 (isolation #73) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:39 pm

POPS!

ofrhz · Post Post #1267 (isolation #74) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:40 pm

In post 1263, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 1261, Nero Cain wrote:but real talk, would a votblocker like work as a role? Is it a day action that blocks someones role...so I guess it works kinda like a vote thief? Or its like a day doc but protects someone from being voted?
I could see something like a Vote Silencer becoming a thing. Target a player at Night and then the next Day they can’t vote. It would probably be ok in a Large Role Madness game.

I don't think that's a normal role though

ofrhz · Post Post #1269 (isolation #75) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:42 pm

oh did I just have a whoosh moment

ofrhz · Post Post #1271 (isolation #76) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:44 pm

HEY CATS ARE GREAT TYVM

ofrhz · Post Post #1272 (isolation #77) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:38 pm

I think Nero is town ftr

ofrhz · Post Post #1273 (isolation #78) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:03 pm

Penny for your thoughts, Pops?

ofrhz · Post Post #1278 (isolation #79) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:16 pm

uhhh I am a she (though most people assume I'm not, so now I'm tempted to althunt Kirari :3)

idk I do think you're more likely to be town this game

I don't agree with your pushes but I do think you genuinely believe in them

ofrhz · Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:04 pm

In post 1075, Kirari Momobami wrote:VOTE: vork.

Literally just guessing who wouldn't submit a commute for creature, let me know if you disagree

idk I think Vork is town

Kirari I have played with you before, yeah?

ofrhz · Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:25 pm

ok w/e

I will say that I believe Vorkuta is town :dab:

and that I'm annoyed by the votes on him

ofrhz · Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:02 pm

I straight up townread Eyes, nom, and red

Lucky is meh mainly because their posts are a chore to get through

LUV hasn't left much of an impression on me either way

I'm not opposed to moving my vote onto LuckyOtter or LUV, but I'm not sure why I should atm absent a compelling reason to move my vote off of Jesus and onto someone else

ofrhz · Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:10 pm

In post 1287, Kirari Momobami wrote:can you walk me through those townreads a bit?

I think eyes is more aggressive than I have seen them as scum (compare this game to Panic room where they were scum)

Nom is a townread based on their questioning of Jesus. I think their questioning was just like “lol why do you think this way” at first and when Jesus’ answers didn’t make sense, she started scumreading that slot. The progression felt really genuine

Red is the weakest townread but I think their unabased willingness to yolo build wagons last day phase at expensive of how it ~looked~ comes more fromtown this scum

ofrhz · Post Post #1505 (isolation #84) » Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:07 pm

I think roster and eyes is TvT

ofrhz · Post Post #1506 (isolation #85) » Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:09 pm

In post 1489, RedFlavor wrote:What the fuck
I guess i just unvoted for soft damn

What soft?

ofrhz · Post Post #1507 (isolation #86) » Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:17 pm

In post 1497, popsofctown wrote:
In post 1494, DeasVail wrote:It makes far more sense for scum to actually have the details correct.

I feel like this mistake is more likely to come from town who vaguely remember reasons for forming a read but don’t remember order of events (easy to do) than scum who are more likely to make sure of the details of what they are saying.

Honestly it only strengthens my Red townread.
It's not a vaguely similar reason, DeasVail, it's a fundamentally different reason. At the moment RedFlavor made that unvote post Redflavor was either nullreading or scumreading Creature in his other game. If he remembers the reasons for making the unvote it has to be a fluffy grey or red cloud right now and RedFlavor is claiming it was green right now.

You are definitely missing something.

I'm not really sold that this was a scumslip

Why couldn't RF have unvoted for some softclaim and then later thought "Creature could be town because his inactivity is sitewide" and then misremembered the order of events?

I disagree with the take that it's a reason to townread RF too lol. I feel like it can be either town that mis-remembered or scum that was too lazy to double check the sequence of events

ofrhz · Post Post #1512 (isolation #87) » Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:56 pm

Twilight posting is allowed

ofrhz · Post Post #1513 (isolation #88) » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:03 pm

Nako?

ofrhz · Post Post #1515 (isolation #89) » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:09 pm

Nako

Reads?

ofrhz · Post Post #1517 (isolation #90) » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:13 pm

Nako!

ofrhz · Post Post #1519 (isolation #91) » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:18 pm

He actually was lolhammered I just checked

ofrhz · Post Post #1523 (isolation #92) » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:23 pm

Title troll?

ofrhz · Post Post #1524 (isolation #93) » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:23 pm

Nako is a red flavor alt

ofrhz · Post Post #1528 (isolation #94) » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:26 pm

You have a title?

ofrhz · Post Post #1682 (isolation #95) » Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:29 am

In post 1550, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1549, Alchemist21 wrote:Yeah, orhz is my 2nd choice for group scum because she also resisted that red wagon. Deasvail’s defense seems a bit scummier to me though.
I think her overall absence is way scummier than a defense from Deas honestly.

The last thing I would do as scum is defend a partner that has 95% chances to get lynched. That's just putting myself in the spot for no reason. I don't see any scum doing this.

I think a scum would curse in their PT and keep silent and I think that's what Ofhrz has been doing.

I have been pretty low activity sitewide for the last few days if not entire week

And I didn't lurk through the Red lynch, I did give my opinion, and even though it was wrong, I still stand by what I said about town forgetting things all the time lol

ofrhz · Post Post #1683 (isolation #96) » Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:30 am

In post 1553, nomnomnom wrote:I guess you're right. Though you can see from the wording that DeasVail thought RF was town, as opposed to Of's lenient approach of "lol not a scumslip BUT can be scum".

I just don't see Deas scum here. That doesn't fit a scum team agenda to me.

What did you think of his reasons for thinking RF was town though?

ofrhz · Post Post #1684 (isolation #97) » Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:41 am

In post 1639, DeasVail wrote:Town: Pops, Kublai, roster, Alch
Less Town: Nero Cain, Kirari, ofrhz
Less Scum: Montosh, nomnom, Jesus
Scum: Vorkuta, Otter

This is actually pretty close to where I'm at

Otter and nom are probably my top two scum reads

ofrhz · Post Post #1686 (isolation #98) » Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:43 am

In post 1674, Kirari Momobami wrote:but seriously, in reality, is there really a world where Montosh COACHES redflavor to deliberately confuse him with skitter? like REALLY? give me a break

Red later said he would totally make something like that up as scum to mess up associations which is kind of giving me a headache to think about right now

ofrhz · Post Post #1688 (isolation #99) » Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:45 am

In post 1685, popsofctown wrote:It wasn't forgetting, it was a false reconstructed memory. The reported occurrence was "placing an unvote on creature with the reasoning that he's town in a different game". The analogue to that would be when you tell a 5 year old every other week that they went to Disneyland when they were 4, usually they'll eventually generate some false memories to match what you tell them. That doesn't happen to townies all the time because it's a rare occurrence in adults and 5 year olds aren't playing mafia.

Yes, as town he would be equally likely to forget when Creature flipped and therefore how useful the lie is... but like that's not what's on trial.

You and DeasVail (and so did RedFlavor but it's a cranial ego self-defense mechanism I'd positive I'd talk myself out of it being a real tell too) keep splitting apart the action "unvoting Creature while considering the fact he's town in a different game" into its component part so that either alignment can forget the order of the opponents. It has to be considered one indivisible action that did or didn't happen.

I am probably wasting threadspace with this because the player I wanted dead is dead and I had extra votes but I really don't get how people don't get it.

I get that this was the argument at the time, but I also think memory is less fragile and accurate than people think it is

Anyway this isn't a line of argument I really want to pursue either

ofrhz · Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:50 am

In post 1687, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1683, ofrhz wrote:
In post 1553, nomnomnom wrote:I guess you're right. Though you can see from the wording that DeasVail thought RF was town, as opposed to Of's lenient approach of "lol not a scumslip BUT can be scum".

I just don't see Deas scum here. That doesn't fit a scum team agenda to me.
What did you think of his reasons for thinking RF was town though?
It felt pretty unilateral when it comes to thinking but that's not really the crux of the argument.
I just don't think scum!Deas jumps to save his scum partner like that when they are 95% chances the guy gets lynched.
I don't think any scum does that.

I guess I'm failing to see why the "scum wouldn't do that!" logic doesn't apply to me either?

ofrhz · Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:54 am

OK

I think you're also scumreading me for being inactive, which has been an IRL thing. And the time you replaced in at also basically coincided with me being busier IRL so I can see why you don't think I've contributed much to this game

ofrhz · Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:57 am

In post 1104, LuckyOtter wrote:
In post 1097, RedFlavor wrote:No I voted because that wagon was becoming a thing.
That being said, I didn't read the game but I might read this tomorrow because it is possible.
But you voted him before, again quoting others, so you must have some opinion of him that you can articulate.

Reading the game would be a great idea, yes.

VOTE: redflavor

Actually idk if otter is scum

ofrhz · Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:01 am

Yeah I actually like Otter's progression on Red yesterday

probably worth rereading

ofrhz · Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:59 am

In post 1697, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 1693, ofrhz wrote:
In post 1104, LuckyOtter wrote:
In post 1097, RedFlavor wrote:No I voted because that wagon was becoming a thing.
That being said, I didn't read the game but I might read this tomorrow because it is possible.
But you voted him before, again quoting others, so you must have some opinion of him that you can articulate.

Reading the game would be a great idea, yes.

VOTE: redflavor
Actually idk if otter is scum
I don't see why "I'm voting you so you read the game" isn't s/s when basically it's giving otter permission to backoff for red putting in effort

That probably wasn't the best post to quote

Full context of their conversation --

In post 1096, LuckyOtter wrote:
In post 1091, RedFlavor wrote:
In post 1072, LuckyOtter wrote:Trying to get caught up. I'm really not liking the flashwagon on Jesus yesterday because of his "do you have a gun" comment. Like, did you all
really
think that was rolefishing? @LUV, roster, redflavor.

I've mostly been TRing Kublai but I don't like his asking roster why he's moving his vote around. Votehopping D1 is obviously a thing and a lot of people were doing it in this game especially. Like, did you see roster doing it
more
than others, or more opportunistically than others? If you followed up on this I'm not seeing it.

I was away during all of Niko's existence here, so going to slog through that now.
Idk I didn't vote for that
VOTE: Jesus Louisus
But you quoted LUV's vote when you voted, which I interpret as agreeing with him that Jesus' gun post was scummy, and I'm not seeing that. So what were/are you voting him for?

In post 1104, LuckyOtter wrote:
In post 1097, RedFlavor wrote:No I voted because that wagon was becoming a thing.
That being said, I didn't read the game but I might read this tomorrow because it is possible.
But you voted him before, again quoting others, so you must have some opinion of him that you can articulate.

Reading the game would be a great idea, yes.

VOTE: redflavor

Doesn't read SvS to me

ofrhz · Sat Jul 06, 2019 4:45 am

Right I’m going to reread

For some reason I can’t get into this game

ofrhz · Sat Jul 06, 2019 4:50 am

In post 1705, Montosh wrote:VOTE: ofrhz

Just sheeping townreads, though not to the point where I'm voting with them since they're voting for me. Well one of them is. Nero I'm not so sure about but he's probably just irritating me. Probably not actually scum though.

Remind me who your townreads are?

ofrhz · Sat Jul 06, 2019 4:55 am

In post 1729, LuckyOtter wrote:
In post 1722, popsofctown wrote:
In post 1719, LuckyOtter wrote:If Red and Montosh are scum together, why wouldn't Red just jump on the Niko wagon there?
Your question is backwards. If scum!Montosh part of the 5 votes then it's more likely that Nikomislynch is at risk of not truly occurring because a high number of mistaken townies is needed. Since scum!Montosh actually wasn't part of the five votes it is more likely that RedFlavor could keep his hands clean of the mislynch whilst the mislynch still occurs.
Really not following you here.

At any rate, in a scum!Montosh world, why would Red join him on Vork to create a competing wagon with Niko, when Creature still has some votes. That play doesn't make sense to me.

To let town drive the niko mislynch

To create two competing wagons on town?

ofrhz · Sat Jul 06, 2019 5:05 am

In post 1183, nomnomnom wrote:kk town
otter town
kirari townlean
red scumlean

need to re-assess eyes soon
That's about where I am. This game is hard to work in re-looking at day one

This could be distancing from red

Nom avoided voting red and instead voted eyes —> Jesus —> eyes again until Pops started the RF wagon. She jumped on that wagon pretty quickly, which I’d expect scum to do if they thought red was definitely going down

ofrhz · Sat Jul 06, 2019 5:09 am

I still think otter is more towny than not though he is going down the rabbit hole of “scum would do this”

ofrhz · Sat Jul 06, 2019 5:16 am

VOTE: nom

ofrhz · Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:11 pm

In post 1761, Montosh wrote:
In post 1745, ofrhz wrote:
In post 1705, Montosh wrote:VOTE: ofrhz

Just sheeping townreads, though not to the point where I'm voting with them since they're voting for me. Well one of them is. Nero I'm not so sure about but he's probably just irritating me. Probably not actually scum though.
Remind me who your townreads are?
nom, roster, pops and Nero. My gut wants me to townread Nero less but I think he's just annoying me rather than being scummy. I guess Vork too but I'm less sure.

Only one of your 4 (3.5?) townreads is voting me and two are voting you. Why aren’t you engaging with your townreads?

ofrhz · Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:16 pm

In post 1781, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1780, Nero Cain wrote:like its an 11:2 right now we can just poe it and win but I think Montosh is just scum and should be lynched sooner rather than later but no one seems to have any interest in him and half of you won't even talk about him so whatever we'll just lynch whomever till you guys wise up.
I think the case on Montosh is a bit scattered honestly.

I think Ofh has a better chance flipping scum right now for that reason.

Your case on me basically boils down to “I haven’t left an impression on you” to which I have already said that my sitewide activity has been low since you’ve replaced in

Like you can check my post history if you want but I feel like you should already know this?

Also what did you mean by the case on montosh is scattered? The ability of montosh pushers to summarize a case on him shouldn’t be alignment indicative for montosh at all?

ofrhz · Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:17 pm

Am I the only one who thinks there could be both an odd night vig and an even night vig?

ofrhz · Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:18 pm

@nom can you remind me what the other reason for scumreading me was

ofrhz · Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:27 pm

In post 1859, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1556, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1552, Alchemist21 wrote:Ofrhz has more posts than either of us. What’s quiet about that?
She fluffposts quite a bit which skews the perception when it comes to number of posts.

A lot of posts feel empty and they don't have a lot of weight imo. That's close to silence, although not quite, but it certainly does feel that way.

I just feel no impact from her, none at all.

Oh yeah I said I was more engaged d1 and rl became more busy d2 when you replaced in

I’m not sure how much I want to brag about pushing niko’s mislynch but I did engage him there and left an impression on Niko at least.

And come to think of it I defended my townreads on vork d2 and montosh d1

ofrhz · Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:32 pm

This probably doesn’t help anyone’s paranoia concerning the two of us but I townread deasvail

So I’m obviously biased in this manner, but scum seeing their partner going down is more likely to jump on the RF wagon for towncred than stick out like a sore thumb

ofrhz · Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:37 pm

In post 1876, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 1851, ofrhz wrote:Also what did you mean by the case on montosh is scattered? The ability of montosh pushers to summarize a case on him shouldn’t be alignment indicative for montosh at all?
to be clear you still stand by the montosh read, right?

No, I don’t townread him anymore, and I’ve been struggling to find a strong second scumread today

Montosh’s d2 play is basically iioa

And him sheeping his townreads onto me without really engaging his townreads is ??? Especially when half of his townreads scumread him

I’d vote there but I’m kind of confused as to why people don’t scumread nom atm

To reiterate, my one line scumcase on nom is that I think her RF scumlean looks like distancing and she didn’t vote there until pops started aggressively pushing RF

ofrhz · Sun Jul 07, 2019 6:17 pm

VOTE: montosh

ofrhz · Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:50 am

Are you townreading me now Jesus?

ofrhz · Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:32 pm

In post 2025, Jesus Louisus wrote:VOTE: ofrhz

Should have stayed on this yesterday.

Why did you move your vote onto Montosh yesterday?

ofrhz · Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:33 pm

I think I will just end up sheeping Kirari today

ofrhz · Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:47 pm

Probably prefer to lynch otter, vork, then deas

I should put more effort in this game though. Soon TM

(Over the weekend)

ofrhz · Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:57 pm

I think she could be groupscum because I can see how her vote on rf was a bus

I uhhh didn’t get the sk argument

ofrhz · Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:57 pm

The argument for nom being sk *

ofrhz · Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:59 pm

In post 1668, rosterfoster wrote:
In post 1212, LuckyOtter wrote:Now, Roster immediately unvotes, as does Red after Alchemist joins. So I'm still good with Red as scum here. Roster is unclear. I'm good with Alchemist and Nero as town, and leaning town on Jesus.
I think otter gets not-groupscum points for this. I mean it's not obviously not a bus, but I don't think he really needed to keep pushing Red here when the day looked set for an Eyes vs Jesus lynch.

Probably worth thinking about whether scum!otter would kill either roster or alch there?

ofrhz · Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:09 pm

Oh for some reason I thought alchemist had cleared otter, not nom, of associations

ofrhz · Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:11 pm

Idk how Creature busses, I’d rather just spend some time reading some past games

I feel like I have weak reasons to put both otter and vork as town but am not confident in those townreads based on their content alone to push elsewhere right now when they’re both barely posting

ofrhz · Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:23 pm

Otter’s last scum game was from over a year ago, and it looks like he barely had time to play the slot he replaced into before he got guiltied

Deas last mafia game period was over a year ago

Based on my initial glance, these are both great meta candidates zzz

ofrhz · Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:40 pm

Jesus why do you townread nom?

Nom why did you stop scumreading Jesus?

ofrhz · Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:43 pm

In post 2048, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 2039, ofrhz wrote:I think she could be groupscum because I can see how her vote on rf was a bus

I uhhh didn’t get the sk argument
can you expand on this because if nom can be groupscum in addition to SK I'd definitely want to go there today

It was mostly that she shaded Red but never actually pushed there until the EOD wagon

Also I feel like scum would’ve detected their partner going down and jumped on for town cred, so I was looking at the rf wagon. Everyone else on that wagon is more town

ofrhz · Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:43 pm

My ice cream is pretty good except that it gives me a brain freeze sometimes

ofrhz · Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:45 pm

Man in hindsight we really should’ve tried to leash that vig/sk shot lol

ofrhz · Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:52 pm

Oh I didn’t see your massclaim suggestion

I’m not really against it...?

ofrhz · Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:03 pm

In post 2059, DeasVail wrote:
In post 2049, ofrhz wrote:Otter’s last scum game was from over a year ago, and it looks like he barely had time to play the slot he replaced into before he got guiltied

Deas last mafia game period was over a year ago

Based on my initial glance, these are both great meta candidates zzz
Do you think that a scum game of mine from a bit over a year ago would be remarkably different from a scum game now if I’ve barely played mafia between the two games?

Not remarkably different because you’ve been here since 2011 so there’s a better chance your playstyle is more rigid

But people mature and their personality changes etc

I am still going to read your games. Soon TM

ofrhz · Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:05 pm

In post 2008, Kirari Momobami wrote:I'd rather settle which of LO and DV is scum personally, and starting to wonder how reliably I can say Vork's "time for a scum Creature" comment clears him from groupscum potential which was the main reason I wasn't groupscumming him before

what do you think of vork and dv?

Can you remind me why there’s one scum in here

ofrhz · Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:33 pm

Yeah I still think nom is scum

ofrhz · Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:34 pm

In post 2179, LuckyOtter wrote:As far as I can tell the case against me is based on really weak speculation. Like, most of Kirari's post is "I can see how this interaction could be svs," but isn't much more substantive than that.

I'm running out of steam. Scum in ofrhz, kirari, DV in that order.

Your entire case is that I'm scum because of bad VCA

ofrhz · Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:35 pm

I'm also kinda amused by Otter saying he's running out of steam when he's barely done anything all game

ofrhz · Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:42 pm

Otter, what is your read on Nom?

ofrhz · Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:22 am

In post 2187, LuckyOtter wrote:@ofrhz I'm never a high post count person. But I've tried through my posts to either push somewhere or clarify my positions. Don't try to paint me as not having done anything. There are so many ppl on this site that do nearly nothing but post fluff or lurk and post a one liner and everyone's just fine with it. That's where my frustration is coming from.

Would you say that you've been more disengaged from this game than your usual towngame?

I know you're not a high post count person, but comparing to your recent towngames, you seem slightly less engaged and less aggressive. Your post count is lower than usual

ofrhz · Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:25 am

In post 2187, LuckyOtter wrote:Concerning nom. They've been fine today. Maybe a sk candidate, which could possibly explain hws' behavior. I don't see nom as group scum.

Why do you not see nom as scum? Do you have reasons to townread her?

ofrhz · Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:27 am

In post 2193, LuckyOtter wrote:
In post 1286, ofrhz wrote:I straight up townread Eyes, nom, and red

Lucky is meh mainly because their posts are a chore to get through
1. When did your read on nom change? Was it 1682 after nom started scumreading you?

Have you seen the reasons I've given for why I scumread nom?

This really feels like you're trying to nitpick ~inconsistencies~ in my ISO without really reading

2. The above doesn't jibe with what you've just said about me

What do you mean?

ofrhz · Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:37 am

In post 2193, LuckyOtter wrote:You're blatantly discrediting me without actually commenting on any of the substance of my posts.

What substance? You've insisted that me or Kirari are scum based on Red not voting the Niko wagon

You haven't changed that read at all or really made any effort to imo

I know I'm town and I think Kirari is town too

ofrhz · Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:39 am

In post 2194, LuckyOtter wrote:
In post 1748, ofrhz wrote:I still think otter is more towny than not though he is going down the rabbit hole of “scum would do this”
And when did your read of me change? After I started scumreading you? Because I see literally zero progression between this and
In post 2036, ofrhz wrote:Probably prefer to lynch otter, vork, then deas

I should put more effort in this game though. Soon TM

(Over the weekend)

Again, if you were actually reading my posts to determine my alignment, I feel like you would've realized that 2036 is in direct reply to 2035 where Kirari asks me to list which of you, Vork, and DV I prefer to lynch

I said you were more towny than not but on balance I don't think you're townier than either Vork or DV

ofrhz · Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:39 am

In post 2035, Kirari Momobami wrote:What are your feelings among DV/LO/Vork ofrhz?

ofrhz · Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:44 am

In post 2202, ofrhz wrote: Again, if you were actually reading my posts to determine my alignment, I feel like you would've realized that 2036 is in direct reply to 2035 where Kirari asks me to list which of you, Vork, and DV I prefer to lynch

I said you were more towny than not but on balance I don't think you're townier than either Vork or DV

Also I said this later in my ISO that pretty much point to me still thinking you're nulltown at the time, so I think my read on you is pretty clear?

Spoiler:

ofrhz · Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:34 pm

In post 2302, nomnomnom wrote:A lot of what she says are fencesitting opinions. Hell, even if you go and look back on her "defense" of Red it was not even a proper defense, it was a fencesit, which is why I consider that infinitely more scummy than say, deasvail coming in to defend the slot even though he was extremely wrong.

I don't think it's fair to say that I was fence-sitting on the Red slot. I did give a townread on Red during Day 2 even though it was wrong. But saying that I was fence sitting on RF because of that one post is wrong. In that post, I was saying that we shouldn't try to read RF based on the slip alone and instead should try to read him from his other posts.

ofrhz · Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:37 pm

There is no impact from that slot. She misread that as "not posting and being away for a while" but that's not what I meant by no impact. She posts a bunch of nothing. No strong opinions and a lot of fluff. I think she's scum and trying to redirect the heat somewhere else constantly. She's also signalled going a bunch of places like my slot ("I think nom is scum") without doing anything about it which signals a player that is ready to just sheep and sheep and sheep. I think this is just scum that is trying to extend the game as much as possible.

I don't think not having strong opinions is scum indicative in general and not scum indicative for me. It's more that I'm not sure who's scum at this point nor have my reads been that great this game, so I don't want to go all in on a push that I'm not sure of in the first place.

I did promise to read LuckyOtter and DeasVail, the former I've already done and I'm sort of just waiting for him to get back to me. And I'll do DV tonight

ofrhz · Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:38 pm

Nom, do you think Otter should be townreading you right now?

ofrhz · Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:10 pm

In post 2323, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 2320, ofrhz wrote:Nom, do you think Otter should be townreading you right now?
That's an odd question. I don't really think about how people should be reading me honestly. Can I ask why you're asking this?

I would suspect Otter to be more suspicious of you generally because he lost to scum!you in Micro 871. I would expect him to have more concrete reasons to be townreading you. I think his progression on you this game hasn't been entirely clear and wanted to know what you thought of it.

ofrhz · Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:00 am

Your posts were a chore to read when you were catching up d2. They haven’t been since

ofrhz · Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:01 am

You haven’t done anything since flat out saying there’s one scum in me/kirari and I think we both have more content since then that you can engage us with

ofrhz · Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:03 am

In post 2348, LuckyOtter wrote:I'm VT

In post 2331, ofrhz wrote:
In post 2323, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 2320, ofrhz wrote:Nom, do you think Otter should be townreading you right now?
That's an odd question. I don't really think about how people should be reading me honestly. Can I ask why you're asking this?
I would suspect Otter to be more suspicious of you generally because he lost to scum!you in Micro 871. I would expect him to have more concrete reasons to be townreading you. I think his progression on you this game hasn't been entirely clear and wanted to know what you thought of it.
I believe I already said I'm very paranoid about nom now, and that hasn't changed. I also said I could potentially see nom as SK, although honestly I haven't thought that through entirely. Purely tone-wise, there were a few moments from nom that pinged a bit fake to me, in a similar way as in the micro game, but overall nom just doesn't feel as *in control* as in the micro. If nom were groupscum and rolled scum with creature and red, I would think nom would be playing more confidently right now. Some of the game-solvey set-up spec fits in here, but I don't think it's quite the same.

You said you could see nom as SK but not groupscum

I feel like that’s akin to saying you townread nom, since we have kk saying there’s a vig

Unless you meant you think nom can be traitor?

ofrhz · Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:07 am

That wasn’t a scum list? That was me listing the three people in the lynch order I prefer

I think both vork and dv are townier than you. Idk how I could possibly explain this better

ofrhz · Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:30 am

I also didn’t like her reaction to KK’s informed claim

ofrhz · Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:31 am

Ftr I’m not really trying to groupscum case nom. I think she can be groupscum or not

I feel like my post didn’t make that clear

ofrhz · Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:03 am

In post 2364, LuckyOtter wrote:Vork traitor might make sense. His play's been different here and he's drawn attention to it. He might actually think I'm scum right here and is trying to signal me/move the wagon elsewhere.

Shouldn't traitors know who groupscum are?

ofrhz · Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:03 am

What did you think a traitor was?

ofrhz · Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:20 am

In post 2078, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 2016, Kirari Momobami wrote:KK does your analysis above make you think we should massclaim today or tomorrow?
Tomorrow probably.

I'll drop a nugget of info though. I have an informed role and I know who the other vig is.

So given that I can see no SK kills over the first 3 nights. I'm gonna squelch the idea that there is an SK and I guess confirm that it must be a traitor.

So basically you didn't understand the implications of this post?

ofrhz · Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:22 am

Otter could plausibly not know what a traitor is, never having played in a game with one. Makes him less likely to be scum if true

That would mean he didn't understand a good 5-10 pages of this game though and never once asked for clarification lol

ofrhz · Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:48 am

In post 2380, Jesus Louisus wrote:But I kinda feel this Of-Otter dialogue is eithet TvT or SvS????

Why not svt?

ofrhz · Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:59 am

In post 2378, nomnomnom wrote:Alternatively you could not hammer and follow me on Of.

I feel like your stated reasons for wanting me lynched are pretty ... weak compared to how much conviction you have in me flipping scum.

Who else do you scumread?

ofrhz · Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:03 am

In post 2390, LuckyOtter wrote:
In post 2385, Kirari Momobami wrote:I do admit I am not sure otter has the disposition to try to fake a townslip to dodge a lynch as scum

But I also am kinda blown away by him missing 4 pages worth of posts discussing traitors in this game... That's 4% of the entire game he has not understood, basically all of it in the last 10 days
Like, convince me that all that setup spec is worth my time reading right now. It feels like a distraction from hunting groupscum, which seems like a better priority.

Do you think nom and kirari are tvt?

ofrhz · Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:32 pm

In post 2435, nomnomnom wrote:My suspicion on Of only goes stronger when she tried enticing me to join the Otter wagon with some precise questions and get me to hammer there. Just saying.

That's not what I was doing?

Both you and otter have had your votes on me for 1.5 game days now and have some history together but minimal interactions this game. I wanted to know what your reads on each other were because I think there's one scum there, but I don't think you're scum together. See how I asked Otter for his read on you.

ofrhz · Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:34 pm

In post 2420, nomnomnom wrote:I'd like to also note that the Of wagon has crazy levels of opposition with literally 0 arguments against her lynch.

No there are arguments against my lynch?

DeasVail gave his arguments, Kirari provided a meta-based one, that's just off the top of my head

ofrhz · Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:38 pm

I think I've done more than Otter. Obviously you disagree

ofrhz · Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:40 pm

ofrhz · Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:43 pm

Do you think you're out of your scumrange Deas?

ofrhz · Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:58 pm

Vork is prob town

ofrhz · Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:01 pm

VOTE: nom

ofrhz · Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:16 pm

In post 2553, nomnomnom wrote:Another example is her having the conviction that I could be scum when you mentioned it and asked her about it, yet never voting me anyway ever, and instead sitting on Otter who I believe was the attempted lynch for scum today. And ever since I said that, you've been irrationally pushing my slot with countless contradicting possibilities, and I think that's stupid whatever alignment you are.

I uhh actually never voted otter. I didn't intend to be not voting for this long this dayphase mainly because I made the (evidently false) assumption that once I started engaging with Otter that I would be able to get a better read on him.

ofrhz · Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:18 pm

In post 2406, LuckyOtter wrote:
In post 2402, ofrhz wrote:
In post 2390, LuckyOtter wrote:
In post 2385, Kirari Momobami wrote:I do admit I am not sure otter has the disposition to try to fake a townslip to dodge a lynch as scum

But I also am kinda blown away by him missing 4 pages worth of posts discussing traitors in this game... That's 4% of the entire game he has not understood, basically all of it in the last 10 days
Like, convince me that all that setup spec is worth my time reading right now. It feels like a distraction from hunting groupscum, which seems like a better priority.
Do you think nom and kirari are tvt?
It seems possible. I'm not convinced the setup spec is an intentional distraction, if that's what you're getting at. I just feel at this stage it's a rabbit hole not worth going too far down.

I somehow missed this response earlier.

I asked this question mainly because if you thought it was likely they weren't TvT, wouldn't you be more inclined to read their 1v1 more closely if you thought one of them could've been scum? Even if their 1v1 was mainly about setup spec

ofrhz · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:35 am

In post 2648, LuckyOtter wrote:Anyway, there's a hop on the Red wagon in here but with no explanation, and it doesn't last long.

I voted Red because his push on KK seemed bad

Spoiler:

ofrhz · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:39 am

In post 2648, LuckyOtter wrote:The first substantive post and serious vote is on Niko.

I also did try to engage with hws but he sort of just flaked

Spoiler:

ofrhz · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:58 am

In post 2648, LuckyOtter wrote:Easily the worst voting record, and the ML votes look opportunistic. Reads are inconsistent. I just think this is the most obvious place to lynch today. And that's about all I have to say.

I mean, without having nom flipped, you can’t really say my voting record is bad. nor does a good voting record mean you’re town. After all, scum know who all the scum are.

I guess you could argue that I’ve been opportunistic, but I didn’t want to vote eyes when they were getting run up because I strongly townread them. I haven’t voted you because I’m not sure you’re scum and here I am, engaging with someone who dropped a case on me with 8 hours until deadline.

If you think my ML vote was opportunistic, I assume you mean Montosh. what did you think about my reasoning for voting montosh?

I don’t think my read on you was inconsistent. I said you scumpinged me early d1 and you were gone for the second half of d1. Then you started wallposting your catch up and that’s when I said your posts felt like a chore to get through. At no point did I townread you but when I voted for Jesus, I thought he was a better vote than you.

ofrhz · Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:06 am

Yes I already said I’ve spent a lot of today trying to engage with otter to decide whether or not I wanted to vote there.

ofrhz · Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:17 am

I don’t think he’ll flip scum primarily because of his confusion over traitors. I can see how he glossed over that discussion if he’s busy irl and just never understood what it was.

ofrhz · Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:16 am

Really

I think having a cop on the scumteam would have prompted a discussion about why they had that role and led to talk about finding traitors/SKs in the game. Idk I kind of think otter would’ve looked traitors up if he were a part of that discussion

ofrhz · Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:01 am

Idk I think your last few posts have been towny.

I’m not going to vote kirari though lol. I’m open to deas maybe but he checks in so infrequently

ofrhz · Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:05 am

How is he a gamble?

ofrhz · Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:11 am

In post 2755, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 2749, ofrhz wrote:How is he a gamble?
because I have a slight townread on the guy, so I would feel bad voting there.

Can you explain why? I feel like he has been tunneling otter for most of the game with the same core reasons and little reassessment

ofrhz · Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:30 am

What did you think of pop’s reasoning for town!otter

ofrhz · Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:40 am

In post 2781, ofrhz wrote:What did you think of pop’s reasoning for town!otter

This was at dv in case that wasnt clear

ofrhz · Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:55 am

Yeah I’m still here and I’d be willing to hammer

ofrhz · Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:58 am

ofrhz · Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:00 am

VOTE: jesus

ofrhz · Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:09 pm

I buy that

And yay!

ofrhz · Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:11 pm

Also I haven't claimed yet either

ofrhz · Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:14 pm

I'm VT

ofrhz · Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:16 pm

I'm not really picky about which of DV/Vork claims next

ofrhz · Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:22 pm

Paging everybody's favorite comrade

ofrhz · Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:23 pm

Claim?

ofrhz · Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:11 pm

I just realized we're actually missing a kill N2

ofrhz · Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:18 pm

I kind of think pop's vigged eyes? Otherwise, Pops would've been suspicious as to why his vig target didn't die (especially considering 2 scum have flipped commuter at this point), and I'm not really seeing anything in his early D3 ISO that implicates any one person. Pops was also scumreading eyes on D2.

It's very possible you were the N2 target because of your bp.

ofrhz · Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:49 am

Nero, your precious ring can be found in this thread if you just claim!

ofrhz · Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:53 am

You can’t have it until you claim

Spoiler:

ofrhz · Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:24 pm

Are you worried about Kirari, Comrade Vorkuta?

ofrhz · Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:56 pm

In post 2872, Vorkuta wrote:I am, but that means I'll have to do the legwork of justifying my fears so.....

I don't know what legwork you think would be required of you, but explaining any thought going through your head would help to better sort you at this point.

ofrhz · Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:00 am

In post 2876, Kirari Momobami wrote:Goddess of the ice cream, how do you feel about Jesus Cain?

I think he's town, and with four townreads that I feel pretty good about, this game should be autowin.

Given that, it doesn't matter who we lynch in Otter/DV/Vorkuta, but I kind of want to lynch the last scum today for uhhh style points. I will try to finish rereading nom's ISO tonight.