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[NoPowerOverMe]

Given the size of this group, how do you feel about eliminating low-activity slots?

Do you agree with Norwegian that vigs should shoot early?

Mis-elimming an active slot will generally tell us more than a mis-elim on an inactive slot.

VOTE: town looter

[NoPowerOverMe]

No one ever likes my openings.

[NoPowerOverMe]

No one ever likes my openings.

I liked it, I totally saw what you saw in that quote.
But, asking for a friend, what did you see in that quote?

Looks like someone that is trying to put shade on active players who tend to be town more than not.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Stanley looks much better than in another game I played with him.

[NoPowerOverMe]

town looter is a good wagon.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Stanley looks much better than in another game I played with him.

How so?

In that game he was very non communicative.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Nero just spill why you're voting me, i'm not up for your games. Get it over with.

Why are you freaking out over one vote?

I don't see asking a question as "freaking out". Why are you trying to misrep everyone?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Is this town Nero or scum Nero though?

[NoPowerOverMe]

I don't like the stanley push. Seems like mislynch bait.

[NoPowerOverMe]

You seem to think everyone overreacts if they don't agree with your pushes.

[NoPowerOverMe]

You're basicly saying that

YOU

agreed with the people that were calling the wagon bad but you are kinda acting like that didn't happen and asking if ppl agree with you.

Am I? All I said was it sucks lol. I never asked if ppl agree with that

[NoPowerOverMe]

You seem overly invested in how players are perceiving other players.

[NoPowerOverMe]

You seem to think everyone overreacts if they don't agree with your pushes.

????

Who did I claim was overreacting for not liking my Stan push? (let's just say that I'm pushing norway) who did I claim was overreacting for not liking my push on him?

I'm talking in generalities. I didn't say it applies to every situation.

[NoPowerOverMe]

There you go again.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I mean you seem more interested in townpainting or scumpainting(mostly scumpainting) players rather than actually finding scum.

[NoPowerOverMe]

That's totally not the point and you know it.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Genuinity.

[NoPowerOverMe]

It usually becomes more clear as the game goes on.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Norway townreading Nero and Nero scumreading Norway. I'll have to think on this.

[NoPowerOverMe]

What's the case on bell?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Norway does seem a little edgy. And the Bell vote looks defensive. And I know from our last game he's good as scum.

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

[NoPowerOverMe]

Town should always care about playing like town. Nice to have caught scum day 1.

[NoPowerOverMe]

:rolls eyes:

[NoPowerOverMe]

Not a collaborative approach at all.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Town don't overreact to one or two votes on them. You're not even the leading wagon by a long shot.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Norway scooted through as scum in our last game and I'm getting the impression he's annoyed scum at getting early scum read.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Norway scooted through as scum in our last game and I'm getting the impression he's annoyed scum at getting early scum read.

Not town annoyed at getting early scumread? Why?

Because town should realize one vote isn't a major wagon. Scum getting lynched early is a bigger deal.

[NoPowerOverMe]

That's rediculous. Only the most stupid of mafia players "can't change the way they play."

[NoPowerOverMe]

That's rediculous. Only the most stupid of mafia players "can't change the way they play."

Everyone has a personality quirk they can’t get rid off easily.
If we could all completely change the way we play perfectly then mafia as a game wouldn’t be able to exist.

So you're implying you aren't trying to play this game differently than your last game?

[NoPowerOverMe]

spells ridiculous wrong then argues that norway is dumb...

I didn't say norway was dumb. I said only dumb players can't change their play style. I'm not using spell check, so sue me.

[NoPowerOverMe]

No.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Norway is scum. I'm not moving my vote for the rest of the day.

[NoPowerOverMe]

The "I don't care if I die early" is blatant ate that's the main reason Norway needs to go.

[NoPowerOverMe]

It is scummy. Not at all NAI.

[NoPowerOverMe]

That's a strange conclusion. I don't think I've played with Cat before. I could be wrong.

[NoPowerOverMe]

It is scummy. Not at all NAI.

I have actually seen this more from town than scum. Both have equal motivation to do it so both theory and practice agree it's NAI

There are more town. That doesn't make it a scummy move.

[NoPowerOverMe]

That's a strange conclusion. I don't think I've played with Cat before. I could be wrong.

We literally just finished Mini 2148 where I regret not policy lynching you before lylo

We were alive for live one day together before you got NK'd.

There was literally no argument against Bob that game. I don't think you can argue that you would have voted for Bob over Crayons. I admit I was outplayed but saying I "should not be listened to" is a major overreaction from one game where I was a replacement.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm not saying Norway can't be town. His comments that "he doesn't care" and his actual reactions don't align with each other in a deceptive way.

[NoPowerOverMe]

The conversation between Neo and Norwegian looked like town snapping at one another. Power Over Me's vote struck me as more calculating and opportunistic, in that he was aiming for an emotional response from Norwegian.

It could be because he genuinely considers emotional responses alignment indicitive or it could be because he wanted to create a narrative of Norwegian overreating.

I lean slightly scum on it.

The Stanley thing looks like nothing to me. There are days when almost all the interaction in a thread feels fabricated to me. That sense of unreality is probably because when you're searching for scum, you'll see traces of it everywhere.

Norway was being emotional before I chimed in.

[NoPowerOverMe]

The fact is that scum are more likely to be emotional about small wagons than town. Town are able to shift focus and still scumhunt elsewhere. As of now, it seems that Norway's only ambition is to get the focus off of him.

[NoPowerOverMe]

It's less good now that you are voting Norway.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Wondering why looter voted Norway then advocated nero to lay off him.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Mafia rarely "say what's on their mind"

[NoPowerOverMe]

Norway doesn't mind any wagon that isn't his.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Stanley and SB9 are probably both town.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Bell is probably Town. Nero is probably Town.

[NoPowerOverMe]

SR on Norway, slight SR on CSF

[NoPowerOverMe]

I never implied otherwise.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I think town would try and incorporate other players into the game rather than try to convince others to ignore other players they had a bad one game experience with.

[NoPowerOverMe]

That's 1 and 1/2

[NoPowerOverMe]

What about me?

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm flattered

[NoPowerOverMe]

[NoPowerOverMe]

I think town would try and incorporate other players into the game rather than try to convince others to ignore other players they had a bad one game experience with.

If town was made up of robots instead of human beings, sure.

Someone who will exclude others due to one bad game is going to do so whether they're green or red.

It's pretty self-centered and anti Town though. Any reasonable townie should know that one game is not an adequate sample size. Also being a eplacement is not easy and somewhat thankless.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm pretty sure that doesn't count to avoid a prod

[NoPowerOverMe]

Wouldn't town be more likely to be clumsy?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Seems more like town. Scum already have friends.

[NoPowerOverMe]

It has to be 2 vigilante setup. I see no other way around it.

Rolefishing much?

Fos lapsa

[NoPowerOverMe]

Like I was expecting you to agree

[NoPowerOverMe]

Are you getting better?

[NoPowerOverMe]

It has to be 2 vigilante setup. I see no other way around it.

Rolefishing much?

Fos lapsa

youv being slow this game but the game isnt as fast pass

so heres a question whys he fish

id ont like you

Rolefishing is trying figure out what someones role is. It's scummy because scum have more interest in eliminating power roles than town.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Asking setup related questions can be inferred as rolefishing.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Day 1 wagons are usually pretty nonsense esp in a large game.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Glad to know Hiraki has it all figured out.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm not saying Hiraki isn't town. He just seems arrogant.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Town, however, should come from an uninformed perspective and his opening has me questioning that.

[NoPowerOverMe]

His binary language.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I haven't played with Hiraki so I wouldn't know. The binary language seems like he came in with a certain idea of who he wanted to eliminate or not eliminate.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Npom, correct me if I’m wrong, but you seem to have a pretty black and white view on things from what I’ve seen of you so far and a little skimming of your games. Would you mind sharing a few of your takes? (Npom and hiraki are not both scum together)

I’m going to take it slow in regards to hiraki reads.

What takes specifically would you like?

And I think your disqualification of the SvS possibility is wrong from a theory standpoint. Bussing is something that happens.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I gave a reads list a few pages ago. Things haven't changed much. There are a lot of players I haven't played with and I need to see more from them to get an idea of what's going on with them. My approach is to interact with the players I know and go from there.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I do in good time. For example, I'm interacting with you and I haven't played with you before.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Well you haven't missed to much so far so there's not much to worry about.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Nero, where can you see that Glitch is pushing your/ Norwegian's lynch, rather than sorting you?

prob the post that says he'll wagon either of us.

So far today I'll be cool with serious wagons forming on Nero, MM depending on response, or Norway.

This is why you're scum. You are working so hard to twist my statements and turn them into something that you would clearly understand if you were town genuinely seeking a scum elimination. You quote what I've said and then add your own words or interpretations, representing what I said as something it is not. But you do so in small steps, not giant, huge, sweeping steps. Big misreps would be seen straight through. But small misreps... you keep pulling them off and acting like I've said things that I haven't.

Flake asked you where I pushed for your lynch rather than sorting you. You quoted where I said I would be cool with wagoning you and Norway in response to that question. Please tell me a player with over 36,000 posts on this website understands the difference between supporting a wagon and supporting a lynch. They are not the same,

especially

not in a large when a wagon isn't even as strong as it would be in a smaller game because it is so much harder to get large, actually threatening wagons with 21 players.

You are twisting my words and misrepresenting what I have said to others in an effort to throw shade at me for something I never said. If you would stop arguing against me for things I didn't say, and start arguing with things I actually said, then maybe we could get somewhere. But I'm at a loss. I'm sorry if I'm too much of a noob for you and I try to take advice from the wiki on how to play. We can't all be 36,000+ post pros. I get voted off a lot for being a noob and so following strategy guides is my attempt at trying to get better. If you're going to just belittle me for trying to improve my play, can you at least do it without being condescending?

Bro 796 Nero literally uses the word “wagon” and not “lynch.” How is that a misrep

Have you played with Titus?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Ya

What's your opinion of her?

[NoPowerOverMe]

so i cant just say fwensid is scum since omgus . but other wise i wouldn't be here so i think he is expreee to lynch me . why scummy gibberish fwesnid?

I find the most annoying or stupid person in the game is always on my side, so I'll assume you're townie.

Is he annoying or stupid or both?

[NoPowerOverMe]

What's annoying?

[NoPowerOverMe]

I agree with SJ that SB is moderately townie.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I think the phrase is "lock up your daughters"

[NoPowerOverMe]

Okay. I lied about staying on Norway. We need a new wagon.

Unvote

[NoPowerOverMe]

VOTE: Lapsa

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'd be ok with either a glitch or Lapsa elim based on the wagons. They both look fairly towny.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Looks like we're consolidating.

VOTE: Glitch

[NoPowerOverMe]

are u gonna let him claim?

[NoPowerOverMe]

I see Lapsa as a good D2 lynch choice tbh unless something else comes up.

[NoPowerOverMe]

also depending on Glich's claim.

[NoPowerOverMe]

The odds of hitting scum on D1 is pretty low regardless. Your statement means nothing, Bell.

[NoPowerOverMe]

That's a pretty obvious statement.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Yeah, MM looks scummy.

[NoPowerOverMe]

It's not just because SB is a TR. I've said as much.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I shall refrain from arguing in the future. LOL.

[NoPowerOverMe]

10 years

[NoPowerOverMe]

She's a newbie. It would be very hard for her to play this cleanly as mafia her first time in.

This is a pretty strong assumption on her expertise.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm fine with lynching Glitch today.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm not saying we don't let him claim, but if he was a PR would he flake?

[NoPowerOverMe]

70% chance he claims VT.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Well, it's in your username, so there's that.

[NoPowerOverMe]

[NoPowerOverMe]

VOTE: Lapsa

[NoPowerOverMe]

I don't trust it either but there are probably better lynches.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Eh I played in a game with stan and this is not unusual for him early on.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I don't trust it either but there are probably better lynches.

Better lynches than scum?

The negeatives of lynching a possible town PR outweigh the positives of lynching someone who may or may not be scum.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I don't know. Doesn't sound good but i don't know it's worth eliminating over.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm not saying I wouldn't lynch ralph or pete.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Eh why not?

VOTE: Fwesnid

[NoPowerOverMe]

Anyone advocating a glitch elim at this point is scummy.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Hi alisae thx for playing

[NoPowerOverMe]

Hiraki seems to focus on one person and then selectively quote to fit his preferred narrative.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Much rather flip a50 than Norway

[NoPowerOverMe]

Best to just elim fwe

[NoPowerOverMe]

VOTE: Norway

[NoPowerOverMe]

Not sure I like bells reaction.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Why be sad about a claim? It's why you vote.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm pro gun control.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Anyone who thinks anyone is obvtown day 1 is fooling themselves

[NoPowerOverMe]

[vote\A50[/vote]

[NoPowerOverMe]

VOTE: A50

[NoPowerOverMe]

A50 seems untownly hyper.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Good thing I'm being widely townread. And that you're the one being wagoned.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm not sure why I would be the D2 elim if A50 flips town when I didn't start your wagon nor am I pushing you the hardest. If you want to 1v1 you vs. me/Norway I am up for it though.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Who does?

[NoPowerOverMe]

This should be your avatar SB9.

[NoPowerOverMe]

It hates you.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Self voting is anti town in general. He's not wrong about that. Key word in general.

[NoPowerOverMe]

A50 may be town, but his tunneling of Norway is misguided and if he does this the whole game he will not be helping us win.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I wish I was townreading more people. My normal game is to build townblocks but I'm not doing that very well this game so far I admit.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I would be okay with that. Wierd that two normally active players replaced out.

[NoPowerOverMe]

VOTE: Titus

[NoPowerOverMe]

Titus do you think Norway is scum.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I think nero is trying to scare people off of a Norway wagon for some reason. There could be .plenty of reasons to lynch outside of a Norway wagon if Norway flips town

[NoPowerOverMe]

Seems a little like self-preservation assuming that he isn't on your wagon.

[NoPowerOverMe]

We need an elim today right?

[NoPowerOverMe]

No way everyone is a town pr.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Reminds me of the risk game I played with my wife and she was losing so she banged the table with her fist.

[NoPowerOverMe]

VOTE: 72offsuit

[NoPowerOverMe]

I don't feel like lynching a claimed or today.

Nero wanted stanley dead I think.
VOTE: stanley

[NoPowerOverMe]

Claimed pr.

[NoPowerOverMe]

VOTE: glitch

[NoPowerOverMe]

Is that a compliment?

[NoPowerOverMe]

That's a good case imo.

[NoPowerOverMe]

@MM, are you just a vigi that can shoot every night? Or is it X-shot or something. Curious


Also real vigi don't claim

I can shoot every night. I also have

something else

that you don't have to know lol.

Multitasking is not a thing in normals.

Wrong. I was a multi tasker in my last normal

[NoPowerOverMe]

If everyone keeps on claiming pr it will work out good for town because we can figure it out.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Glitch is shading me. Glad to be conftown!

Let's go StanWagon!

[NoPowerOverMe]

VOTE: Stanley

[NoPowerOverMe]

@Glitch: There's no point in shoving your face in people's faces just for the heck of it. There are plenty of players in this game that are likely town with good ideas I can collaborate with.

[NoPowerOverMe]

It's pretty early so don't hold me to this list, but this would be my solve if forced at this point:

Stanley/Almost50/Marshmallow Marshall/ralph217/Glitch

[NoPowerOverMe]

I have. Anyone not on my scum list

[NoPowerOverMe]

I try not to come to quick conclusions especially in large games.

[NoPowerOverMe]

VOTE: ddl

[NoPowerOverMe]

Hiraki and Almost50 could be both scum. They only have been gunning for me after I went after them. Let's lynch stanley.

[NoPowerOverMe]

They have been gunning for me for awhile, it's nothing new. I want to lynch stan because nero flipped town and wanted stan dead and nothing stan had done has coonvinced me otherwise.

[NoPowerOverMe]

By the way at least two of the claims so far are scum in my estimation. No way everyone is a pr.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Whatever. I'm not going to change my playstyle.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Apparently me voting a player makes me scummy. The OMGUS happening is obvious.

[NoPowerOverMe]

VOTE: Titus

VOTE: A50

A50 seems untownly hyper.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Glad to know Hiraki has it all figured out.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I never said it was towny or scummy but the attacks on me are squarely omgusy. I vote players I see as anti town or lurky. My point is town don't have a knee jerk reaction to being voted.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Not an F tier reason. Scum kill players they see as dangerous.

[NoPowerOverMe]

VOTE: stanley

[NoPowerOverMe]

What's the case on Stanley other than Nero SR him?

ISO him, he doesn't really produce content just sits back and calls out "sucky" posts

[NoPowerOverMe]

I could but I'm not going to. I feel I'm helping town just fine.

[NoPowerOverMe]

There's a loud vocal minority attacking me. We need to look elsewhere.

[NoPowerOverMe]

The reason I have been wagoning is there have been no obvious lynches. Making a town pr lynch at this point could be highly detrminentive and everyone is inexplicitly claiming town pr.

In my head I am almost wondering if we should early massclaim, even though that is not usually the optimal move this early in the game.

[NoPowerOverMe]

They would be suspect if they claimed right now.

[NoPowerOverMe]

You claimed town PR that you can't claim until later and you're calling SB9 null?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Irony of ironies.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Seems pretty town to me.

[NoPowerOverMe]

SB9 that is.

[NoPowerOverMe]

*shrug*

VOTE: Jackson

Still don't like Stanley.

[NoPowerOverMe]

What is JV's scum equity?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Sorry I meant what is flake's scum equity.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Either way you shouldn't hammer a claimed cop.

[NoPowerOverMe]

To be fair if you were hammered you could have been more helpful.

[NoPowerOverMe]

AFAIK you have to use the actual votes that were made you can't retract based on the votecount.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Hiraki is throwing shit to see what sticks.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Shelly what is your solve?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Current Solve: IKS/JV/Stan/A50/Glitch

[NoPowerOverMe]

@Titus: What's your solution, putting a limit on the number of wagons in a day?

[NoPowerOverMe]

As said before, I highly doubt all of our power roles have been outed, there are surely some liars among the claimees.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Sorry if wrong but I don't believe a word of any of that.
VOTE: DoLittle

You thought it was okay to hammer a claimed cop without consulting anyone?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Sorry doesn't make it pro-town.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Titus assuming all truth telling claims knocks her down a notch on my town list.

[NoPowerOverMe]

It's not a strong possibility, so it's anti-town.

[NoPowerOverMe]

[quote="In post 3610, Titus"

Of course we tolerated scum siteflaking vouching for scum glitch and scum npom voting everyone and their brother while bitching about why all our PRs get outed[/quote]


This statement assumes that a large majority of the claims are truthful. Which town shouldn't assume.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Of course we tolerated scum siteflaking vouching for scum glitch and scum npom voting everyone and their brother while bitching about why all our PRs get outed

This statement assumes that a large majority of the claims are truthful. Which town shouldn't assume.

I literally am calling out scum in the PR claims there.

This is the second round of nonsense you put up with me today.

If you were assuming scum you wouldn't be worried about outed PRs. Basic math and logic.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I haven't claimed. Even though you say Glitch is scum(which I am agreeing with in my solve) the fact is that if you are fretting over a 7/1 Truth/Lie claim rate then that doesn't seem very towny. If it is 6/2 or 5/3 or less then we have a higher chance to figure out the truth as the game goes on so it doesn't seem towny to be upset about it. Either way the statement itself seems anti-town.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Everyone needs to vote yes or no on massclaim. I recommend with 75% approval we move ahead and wagon anyone who refuses.

Massclaim: Yes.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Glitch+popcorn is fine for me.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Normally this would be the case but I believe the confused gamestate benefits scum and we need some law and order to move the pendulum towards town.

[NoPowerOverMe]

No massclaim.

[NoPowerOverMe]

VOTE: Glitch

[NoPowerOverMe]

He has to check in his scum chat.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Glitch. Neighborized someone dead? How convenient.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Also in the end holding out on your claim gained you nothing.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Don't be a hater.

[NoPowerOverMe]

If I had known this was an anti-nudity game I wouldn't have joined.

[NoPowerOverMe]

If I had known this was an anti-nudity game I wouldn't have joined.

[NoPowerOverMe]

The Christian right is attacking me please help!

[NoPowerOverMe]

Why would glitch choose flake to neighbor ize anyway?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Not at all.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Vt