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Titus · Post Post #867 (isolation #0) » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:41 pm

In post 866, ralph217 wrote:lets wait for titus to wigh in

Hi new person. I don't read on subbing in. What did you want me to look out for?

Titus · Post Post #870 (isolation #1) » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:45 pm

In post 869, Bell wrote:Even if there's flips? That's hardcore.

Especially when there's flips. I avoid groupthink that way. If town is lynching scum, best not to interfere. If town is not lynching scum, a new theory might help.

I do look at VCs though and if there's relevant claims people know to tell me.

I'm a bit of a character though.

Titus · Post Post #874 (isolation #2) » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:51 pm

In post 873, Glitch wrote:
In post 867, Titus wrote:I don't read on subbing in.
Is this consistent in your other games you've subbed in?

Day 1 or Day 50. The only exception I make is if I sub in during nightphase and I rand town protective or vigilante. Even then, I fake not reading so veterans don't know my role.

Also, Bell, I am totally scum. Those are the ones with the purple PMs right?

Titus · Post Post #1016 (isolation #3) » Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:53 am

In post 896, SJReaver wrote:
In post 893, superbowl9 wrote:Okay done being a dick sorry

Reaver your avatar is very calming
That's why I picked it. Also, why I post random gifs.

The wagon against you is bad but it's in the lead. Why do you think that is?

This is not a fair question.

Titus · Post Post #1017 (isolation #4) » Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:56 am

In post 924, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 870, Titus wrote:
In post 869, Bell wrote:Even if there's flips? That's hardcore.
Especially when there's flips. I avoid groupthink that way. If town is lynching scum, best not to interfere. If town is not lynching scum, a new theory might help.

I do look at VCs though and if there's relevant claims people know to tell me.

I'm a bit of a character though.
Doesnt it make it hard to catch onto what's happening?

Nope. I use the VC for that.

Titus · Post Post #1018 (isolation #5) » Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:02 am

Glitch v Superbowl, let's see what happens.

VOTE: Glitch

Titus · Post Post #1374 (isolation #6) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 4:20 am

I'll try to catch up today. I got prodded. I did skim a bit. Not liking Glitch vote on Nero. Nero is much more passive and reserved as scum. He tunnels as town. He may or may not be right, but I am confident he is town.

Titus · Post Post #1376 (isolation #7) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:19 am

In post 1375, superbowl9 wrote:I'll save you some reading, he's wrong and town and glitch counter tunnelled and is also town

Why should I believe Glitch is town?

Titus · Post Post #1640 (isolation #8) » Sat Aug 22, 2020 6:55 am

In post 1636, superbowl9 wrote:Can I get a vc?

I dont think weve got any closer to consolidating, norway is the biggest waste of all time he will flip green and only the wrong people will take heat for it

In post 1639, Nero Cain wrote:Fwesnid (5): superbowl9, NoPowerOverMe, Town looter, 72offsuit, Marshmallow Marshall
NorwegianboyEE (4):Almost50, JacksonVirgo , stan1ey, Glitch
72offsuit (3): Fwesnid, Bell, SJReaver
Glitch (3): Titus, NorwegianboyEE, I Keep Siteflaking
alisae (2): Hiraki, Pickaxe Pete
stan1ey (1): Nero Cain
Town looter (1): ralph217

Not Voting: Lapsa

Why would only the wrong people take heat for pushing Norway? Wouldn't it be rational to suspect Norway wagon is a deflection from Fwes?

Titus · Post Post #1668 (isolation #9) » Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:26 am

VOTE: Fwes

It's Saturday so I won't be around much because it's my DnD day. Just consider me voting the largest wagon.

Titus · Post Post #1923 (isolation #10) » Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:49 am

In post 1774, ManateeDude wrote:
Alisae replaces out. Searching for a replacement and putting the deadline on pause until both slots are filled.

Great.

UNVOTE: Fwes

Titus · Post Post #1957 (isolation #11) » Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:03 am

VOTE: A50

Titus · Post Post #1958 (isolation #12) » Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:04 am

I want VCA to work with.

Titus · Post Post #1960 (isolation #13) » Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:04 am

Dudette.

What up?

Titus · Post Post #1965 (isolation #14) » Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:07 am

Ok. Every vote of mine now comes with an implict Deadline! VOTE FOR THE VCA GODS!

Titus · Post Post #1967 (isolation #15) » Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:08 am

Just put it in text here and remove from your sig.

Titus · Post Post #1973 (isolation #16) » Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:12 am

Nah, not apologizing. Reasoning has been implicit since I got in. Vote's on the largest wagon.

Titus · Post Post #1977 (isolation #17) » Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:24 am

Has the number of scum been confirmed?

Titus · Post Post #1980 (isolation #18) » Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:43 am

In post 1979, 72offsuit wrote:
In post 1973, Titus wrote:Nah, not apologizing. Reasoning has been implicit since I got in. Vote's on the largest wagon.
Who would you kick irrespective of wagon sizes?

Not you. I find it townie you asked. Tbh, I haven't read anything since everyone's been in wagon fiesta. I'm looking for a flip then comparing to VCs to get into the game.

Titus · Post Post #2118 (isolation #19) » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:51 pm

VOTE: Siteflaking

I feel like making a completely arbitrary move with the deadline frozen.

Titus · Post Post #2134 (isolation #20) » Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:20 pm

In post 2118, Titus wrote:VOTE: Siteflaking

I feel like making a completely arbitrary move with the deadline frozen.

In post 2119, Bell wrote:^ Is this a gut read?

It's a game is static and now that we aren't deadline scrambling I want to stir shit up and diagnose shit.

Titus · Post Post #2136 (isolation #21) » Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:49 pm

In post 2135, Bell wrote:1. That’s not a no or yes.
2. How?
3. That's not arbitrary at all!

1. That's because Siteflaking isn't a scumread. It's a stir shit up vote. If I say no, the logical question is for a case. I don't have one. Yet, siteflaking isn't a gut read either.

2. Voting a non entity that's here might draw attention away from the bickering and get lurker slots to engage. It's already got your attention.

3. My vote is arbitrary because it could apply to several slots.

Titus · Post Post #2138 (isolation #22) » Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:54 pm

In post 2137, Bell wrote:Okay. I was saying hello because I saw a non-entity vote another sort of entity and entities should stick together, don’t you think?

I cannot parse this. I will try again in the AM.

Titus · Post Post #2246 (isolation #23) » Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:39 am

I think we need to start wagoning prod dodgers. I get the feeling that town are apathetically subbing out or ripping each other's heads off.

Titus · Post Post #2249 (isolation #24) » Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:43 am

In post 2247, Nero Cain wrote:Ali replaced out b/c of me. I dunno why anyone else has.

I am speculating. Nero we all know that sometimes you make people feel unheard. People who feel that way tend to double down or not give a fuck. I think that's where most of us are. I would be there too if I gave a damn about d1.

Titus · Post Post #2252 (isolation #25) » Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:52 am

*shrug* I haven't read. Don't care to but the wagonomics tell me we have either a lying PR problem or a scum let everyone else duke it out problem.

Titus · Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:59 pm

In post 2255, superbowl9 wrote:
In post 2118, Titus wrote:VOTE: Siteflaking

I feel like making a completely arbitrary move with the deadline frozen.

In post 2246, Titus wrote:I think we need to start wagoning prod dodgers. I get the feeling that town are apathetically subbing out or ripping each other's heads off.
So that vote was a pointless attempt at looking like you're generating activity
In post 2252, Titus wrote:*shrug* I haven't read. Don't care to but the wagonomics tell me we have either a lying PR problem or a scum let everyone else duke it out problem.
This is why i don't like your playstyle. I feel you hide behind not reading and VCA to obscure your alignment when clearly you have the capacity to play well in an AI way

Well I am flattered you think I am better than I am. Realistically, I read people through their relationships with others. That's even excluding VCA.

You are gravely misinterpreting or misrepping the intent behind my vote. There's a lot of activity, but I don't feel like it's going in the right direction.

I'm not asking for more posts/activity. I'm asking for better posts/activity based on my social reading of the thread.

Titus · Post Post #2361 (isolation #27) » Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:21 am

72offsuit, what caused you to ISO siteflaking?

Titus · Post Post #2375 (isolation #28) » Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:02 am

In post 2363, 72offsuit wrote:
In post 2361, Titus wrote:72offsuit, what caused you to ISO siteflaking?
Its obvious.

Titus is probs scum just based off this post.

Then you can tell me if it's obvious. Right now, I am the only person you're voting with. To turn around and attack the only person voting with you makes little sense.

Clarifying why you ISOed serves three purposes. First, it helps me read your flail. Second, it draws more attention to siteflaking helping me prove or disprove my theory. Third, if you and siteflaking happen to be scum together (theory wrong but I guessed right), that will come out too.

Titus · Post Post #2382 (isolation #29) » Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:23 am

Why don't you just answer why you ISOed siteflaking if it's obvious.

Second, yes you are flailing. You've FoSed several people in the span of a few pages with contradictory positions with what is actually happening. Both town and scum do this.

Third, you flat out deny my theory exists, which was my best guess at why you ISOed Siteflaking in the first place. I find it hard to believe you outright missed my theory since it's the bulk of my content right before the pause. Namely, my theory is that town are going to town on each other and scum are waiting it out. You argue my vote is vanity and that I am scum, which detracts from the power of your vote...since it's in the same place.

I can infer that you claim to townread A50. Your act of looking for a scumread away from the major wagons suggests that you feel my theory has merit. So overall, your actions are contradictory and confusing.
Lastly, I don't know and I am not sure if you're scum together or not. Answering why scum behave the way they do is far too early. You could be panicked scum bussing to create distance. You could be town panicked. I don't know but your behavior is weird.

So why did you ISO siteflaking?

Titus · Post Post #2387 (isolation #30) » Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:49 am

VOTE: 72offsuit

I can't sort someone who isn't even reading my posts.

Titus · Post Post #2395 (isolation #31) » Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:57 am

In post 2393, 72offsuit wrote:
In post 2136, Titus wrote:
In post 2135, Bell wrote:1. That’s not a no or yes.
2. How?
3. That's not arbitrary at all!
1. That's because Siteflaking isn't a scumread. It's a stir shit up vote. If I say no, the logical question is for a case. I don't have one. Yet, siteflaking isn't a gut read either.

2. Voting a non entity that's here might draw attention away from the bickering and get lurker slots to engage. It's already got your attention.

3. My vote is arbitrary because it could apply to several slots.
This is what you said. Stir up shit. Thats not a scumread

Yup. Why don't you just read my ISO further for the explanation of the theory I just reminded you of...

Your play makes me doubt my own theory I had though.

Titus · Post Post #2435 (isolation #32) » Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:39 am

In post 2434, I Keep Siteflaking wrote:Replacements, what are your opinions about dowels?

Who is dowels? What are your thoughts? Why aren't you voting?

Titus · Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:20 am

In post 2447, Bell wrote:
In post 2375, Titus wrote:
In post 2363, 72offsuit wrote:
In post 2361, Titus wrote:72offsuit, what caused you to ISO siteflaking?
Its obvious.

Titus is probs scum just based off this post.
Then you can tell me if it's obvious. Right now, I am the only person you're voting with. To turn around and attack the only person voting with you makes little sense.

Clarifying why you ISOed serves three purposes. First, it helps me read your flail. Second, it draws more attention to siteflaking helping me prove or disprove my theory. Third, if you and siteflaking happen to be scum together (theory wrong but I guessed right), that will come out too.
Are you being intentionally dense? You’re smarter than this, what’s the benefit for scum to attack the only person voting with them?

There's no benefit for either alignment. To argue that's townish is wifom at best. It's not scumhunting.

Titus · Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:31 pm

In post 2457, Bell wrote:It's not survivalism.

Throwing out shit to see what sticks without a coherent thought behind it is survivalism. It's a common tactic I used to use as noob scum all the time.

Titus · Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:33 pm

In post 2450, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I wouldn’t mind that wagon.

You've seen me play this style. I caught you twice with VCA. Lost once because of depression. VCA can't be done day 1. I play to my strengths.

Titus · Post Post #2465 (isolation #36) » Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:20 pm

In post 2461, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Titus do you think Norway is scum.

Let me see his response to my callout on him.

Titus · Post Post #2466 (isolation #37) » Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:21 pm

In post 2464, 72offsuit wrote:
In post 2426, Nero Cain wrote:best page top ever?
2 days to deadline and your vote is solo on a dead wagon.

What do you think of the A50 wagon largely switching over to me rather than 72?

Titus · Post Post #2469 (isolation #38) » Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:59 pm

In post 2467, 72offsuit wrote:I really dont understand the resistance to the IKSF wagon.
I think thats telling in its own right.

His posts are scummy.

He has been on all the biggest wagons:
Glitch, Fwesnid, Titus, myself.
His intent looks like its to get any miskick.

That's why I voted him. It's not a case though that he's scummy. He just lurks around until a wagon happens he can sneak on. I tried to push it but the only taker I got wasn't even reading my posts, so I just supposed I was outvoted.

Titus · Post Post #2472 (isolation #39) » Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:26 pm

In post 2470, Fwesnid wrote:"I voted him but he's not scummy" really sells a wagon.

VOTE: titus
I still scumread them.

What can I say? I am not a prosecutor. I don't upsell to get my convictions.

Titus · Post Post #2595 (isolation #40) » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:54 am

I am going to claim because I won't be around much until deadline. I am a loud babysitter.

Titus · Post Post #2598 (isolation #41) » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:59 am

In post 2596, Nero Cain wrote:i mean, Glitch is prob just scum but this is our 3rd pr claim today so either we are doing a bangup job outting town prs or there's scum that are pr claiming out.

This is right and it's been what I have been saying.

Titus · Post Post #2600 (isolation #42) » Sat Aug 29, 2020 2:00 am

In post 2597, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Why is that something you’d claim Titus.

Because it's my role and I won't be here to really defend myself most of the weekend.

Titus · Post Post #2605 (isolation #43) » Sat Aug 29, 2020 2:16 am

In post 2604, NorwegianboyEE wrote:It seems like an interesting role to use even if claimed though. A claimed babysitter could target someone they scumread/lurker slot. And if killed, they take their target with them to the grave.

Exactly. The target also can't deny my visit because I am loud.

The only downside is vig targeting gets a bit harder supposing we have one.

Titus · Post Post #2743 (isolation #44) » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:33 am

I am going to be out for awhile today. I visited siteflaking because I expected to be vig shot. I'll try to check in periodically.

Titus · Post Post #2751 (isolation #45) » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:59 am

VOTE: Glitch

@Siteflaking, Because you did nothing and coasted, jumping from wagon to wagon oppotunistically.

Titus · Post Post #2772 (isolation #46) » Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:14 am

We should wait and see the possible gunsmith results and see Glitch's claim. I found it particularly telling that Glitch's wagon fell apart after a vague, I'll be useful claim.

Titus · Post Post #2774 (isolation #47) » Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:06 am

In post 2773, Fwesnid wrote:*Magnet Noises*

Actual thoughts coming this evening don't have time now.

Why wouldn't you drop in your results?

Titus · Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:35 pm

Not liking Glitch saying he'll be useful later and not scumhunting at all now. If he's not scumhunting now, why would he be useful later?

I like Superbowl's recent posting. I am kinda surprised I wasn't the vig shot. Then again, maybe people forgot how babysitters work?

Titus · Post Post #2813 (isolation #49) » Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:37 pm

In post 2810, superbowl9 wrote:If you get vigged wouldn't that kill the person you babysat? If I was vigi I'd rather shoot a quickhammerer who is probably going to be elimmed ASP anyways than try for you (although I do think you would make a marginally better shot than the avg)

Yes. It would. I felt it was much more likely that I would be vigged, given my state, than guessing the nightkill correctly. Does it mean that either would happen? No. I made a judgment call. If I wasn't widely suspected or townread, I would go for the heal.

Titus · Post Post #2814 (isolation #50) » Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:38 pm

So given my status, I'll keep targeting people who I think should die.

Titus · Post Post #2926 (isolation #51) » Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:50 am

A50 is a professional troll.

VOTE: MM

Titus · Post Post #2932 (isolation #52) » Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:56 am

This might just be a sort by post count game.

Titus · Post Post #2949 (isolation #53) » Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:52 am

In post 2947, superbowl9 wrote:If i believed his claim I wouldn’t be asking him to confirm. What would be stupid is to not allow him to confirm when he says he can do it

+1

Titus · Post Post #2953 (isolation #54) » Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:08 am

In post 2952, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:
In post 2950, superbowl9 wrote:
In post 2948, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Ok fine.
We’re lynching MM most likely anyway. Can worry about Glitch later.
Exactly, this is best-case scenario. We get a conf scum elim, which is like the only way to delay this fullclaim in a manner that doesn’t require us to trust glitch
Uhuhuhuhuhuhuh since when is my lynch the best case scenario lol?

Any reason why you aren't confscum here?

Titus · Post Post #2956 (isolation #55) » Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:16 am

In post 2955, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:Uh yes, I have a green rolecard lol. Any reason why I should be confscum in your eyes?

Because Fwneswid claims you have a gun...and your reaction was to ignore it after being informed of what a gunsmith does...

Titus · Post Post #2975 (isolation #56) » Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:40 am

In post 2969, JacksonVirgo wrote:Would it be safer to let the real vigi shoot them if real (and risk them being GF/immune) or eliminate them?

Several problems with that

1) Scum can turn the lynch away from scum
2) Scum don't fear the vig because it's leashed to MM.
3) Scum can narrow down the vig based on plan reactions
4) Scum might be able to roleblock the vig or doc MM, putting us in the same damn place.

Titus · Post Post #2983 (isolation #57) » Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:49 am

@MM, Just

leave us associatives

....tell us who scum are.

Titus · Post Post #2990 (isolation #58) » Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:52 am

In post 2978, superbowl9 wrote:Crumb doesn’t change much imo. The one thing I do wanna bring up is if scum loudblocked fwes to set this up, which I think would point to fwes being red and asking his own team to block him for this scenario. But that’s something we can evaluate if MM flips green which is highly unlikely

Blocking only a modifier would not be allowed in a normal game.

Titus · Post Post #3002 (isolation #59) » Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:02 am

In post 2997, JacksonVirgo wrote:Can scum have a vigi role?

Not in a normal.

There was a game that ruined it. Two scum in a large, both full vigs or something stupid as the only scum. So they had 3 kpn

Titus · Post Post #3004 (isolation #60) » Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:03 am

In post 3003, JacksonVirgo wrote:Can a scum JOAT have a vigi shot?

No.

Titus · Post Post #3011 (isolation #61) » Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:12 am

In post 3006, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:
In post 3001, JacksonVirgo wrote:@MM, are you just a vigi that can shoot every night? Or is it X-shot or something. Curious

Also real vigi don't claim
I can shoot every night. I also have
something else
that you don't have to know lol.

Multitasking is not a thing in normals.

Titus · Post Post #3019 (isolation #62) » Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:20 am

If you're a vengeful vig, why ask for unvotes?

Mod: Do scum have daytalk?

Titus · Post Post #3036 (isolation #63) » Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:31 am

This is funny, but I have court and that's serious business.

Titus · Post Post #3075 (isolation #64) » Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:27 am

It's moot here but I would like the link to that game for my own edification. I've never seen it.

Titus · Post Post #3130 (isolation #65) » Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:04 pm

Someone asked. Redirectors are explicitly banned in normals.

Titus · Post Post #3131 (isolation #66) » Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:05 pm

In post 3129, Bell wrote:IMO, I don’t think site flaked is scum based on his play today so far.

What has he done to convince you of that?

Titus · Post Post #3201 (isolation #67) » Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:44 pm

Ok. Can someone give me the 411 on the mod error comments? I likely won't be here much until Sunday.

Titus · Post Post #3204 (isolation #68) » Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:41 pm

In post 3202, Bell wrote:@titus: Because the mod was experiencing irl issues. I thought it was possible that he just made a mistake and forgot to tell MM that he was visited
So I asked him.
He said he couldn’t directly comment and that if any errors or night action errors were made they have since been corrected and they have received the appropriate night messages.

So this whole MM v Fwnes has a chance to be mod error? I think that's a decent possibility given no one's really against lynch one vig/venge the other...

UNVOTE: MM

I'll reflect on it this weekend.

Titus · Post Post #3248 (isolation #69) » Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:51 am

VOTE: Glitch

Might as well vote Glitch while I am afk today.

Titus · Post Post #3301 (isolation #70) » Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:57 pm

I get why people are wagoning NPOM, but what distinguishes him from me? My lack of effort is very much time oriented and I am putting my vote in places to try and be useful.

@NPOM, why haven't you collaborated with those people? Who do you think they are?

Titus · Post Post #3303 (isolation #71) » Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:43 pm

How have you collaborated? Sheeping =/= collaboration.

Titus · Post Post #3318 (isolation #72) » Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:30 am

In post 3308, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 3307, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 3306, shellyc wrote:And Siteflaking semi-cleared them
What?
Siteflake claimed some kind of PR that semi-cleared Glitch.

So great, Glitch and flaking are scum together.

Titus · Post Post #3319 (isolation #73) » Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:32 am

In post 3304, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I try not to come to quick conclusions especially in large games.

That doesn't answer who you've collaborated with. I am not a big early game fan either. That doesn't mean I tolerate people claiming they can work with others without proving it.

Titus · Post Post #3423 (isolation #74) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:01 am

VOTE: NPOM

I am still waiting to see this collaboration.

Titus · Post Post #3428 (isolation #75) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:09 am

You said you could cooperate with most of the playerlist. Demanding to see that is not OMGUS or demanding a playstyle change.

You voted half the playerlist almost and nakedly.

Titus · Post Post #3608 (isolation #76) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:24 pm

In post 3598, shellyc wrote:why do you SR bell

my bell read is a meta read and their ISO looks good. they geniunely want to solve imo

IKS read is also interesting, want to hear more on it

The only thing I detest more than an unexplained meta read is an unexplained meta read from an alt.

Titus · Post Post #3610 (isolation #77) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:50 pm

Huh? DDL claimed Novice Cop right? That seems to be the type of thing one fully CCs or doesn't.

Of course we tolerated scum siteflaking vouching for scum glitch and scum npom voting everyone and their brother while bitching about why all our PRs get outed

Titus · Post Post #3614 (isolation #78) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:55 pm

Yeah my eyes are glazing over bc this migraine. Someone else will have to interpret that word salad.

Titus · Post Post #3616 (isolation #79) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:56 pm

In post 3613, NoPowerOverMe wrote:@Titus: What's your solution, putting a limit on the number of wagons in a day?

Lynching the oppotunistic votehoppers and actually analyzing claims. Confirming the confirmable. No softclear bullshit. No proxying shit to someone else to have an easy way off the wagon.

Titus · Post Post #3619 (isolation #80) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:59 pm

In post 3617, JacksonVirgo wrote:And again, how likely it is the we wagoned 5 PR's in a row.

Glitch - PR claim
Fwesnid - PR claim
Titus - PR claim
72offsuit - Lynched PR claim
DrDolittle - PR claim

Siteflaking - Soft PR claim to protect Glitch from having to confirm

That's where your scum is.

Titus · Post Post #3634 (isolation #81) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:14 pm

In post 3631, shellyc wrote:
In post 3608, Titus wrote:The only thing I detest more than an unexplained meta read is an unexplained meta read from an alt.
Uhh I am not an alt of any sort.

Bell is playing exactly how they played in Newbie 2023 and has been very townie overall when looking in ISO

So it's a meta of one game. Possible whiteknight here.

Titus · Post Post #3635 (isolation #82) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:16 pm

In post 3632, superbowl9 wrote:Okay I know I might not be the best player but this is just ridiculous

Glitch
Fwes
Titus
72
Nero
Pete
MM
IKS
DoLittle
Jackson

You mean to tell me ALL of these people are town PRs?? Either this is a STACKED setup, we're the worst town to ever play the game, or we've got a few liars. Or a little bit of all of it

Have we considered rolemadness with a token vt so scum can just claim something close to their pms?

Titus · Post Post #3643 (isolation #83) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:28 pm

In post 3641, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 3640, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Titus assuming all truth telling claims knocks her down a notch on my town list.
I don't think they assumed it, I think they just suggested it as a possibility

I am not suggesting that all are town. Far from it. I'm suggesting a high powered town and scumteam that gives scum fakeclaims.

Titus · Post Post #3647 (isolation #84) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:50 pm

In post 3645, NoPowerOverMe wrote:
In post 3610, Titus wrote:
Of course we tolerated scum siteflaking vouching for scum glitch and scum npom voting everyone and their brother while bitching about why all our PRs get outed

This statement assumes that a large majority of the claims are truthful. Which town shouldn't assume.

I literally am calling out scum in the PR claims there.

This is the second round of nonsense you put up with me today.

Titus · Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:32 pm

Thanks for listening MM. It gets so demoralizing to keep saying who scum is and get ignored.

Anyway, let's clean house.

VOTE: Glitch

Titus · Post Post #3915 (isolation #86) » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:34 pm

In post 3900, shellyc wrote:
In post 3889, Town looter wrote:New hot take. Shelly is scum.
Incorrect.

how does my post asking glitch to claim make me auto-scum?

Yuck. Tone.

Titus · Post Post #3917 (isolation #87) » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:38 pm

In post 3914, JacksonVirgo wrote:It’s possible Glitch can be called town because they neighboured a scum, well if NEE confirms that is the case of course.
It’s also possible Glitch is scum by creating a neighbourhood with their buddy for extra distancing.

Which is more likely?

I don't really see scum Glitch adding scum IKS to a hood and IKS vouching unless a town forced Glitch's hand in who he recruited. I don't see how that happens. Either the neighbor is fake or Glitch is town most likely.

Titus · Post Post #4247 (isolation #88) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:00 am

In post 3962, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 3958, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Btw IKSF was trying to pocket Glitch hard in the PT. Saying shit like: "You should claim Neighborizer, they are notoriously always alligned with town!!" In the PT.
I don’t see a IKSF/Glitch SvS world here.
Oh yeah alright I think that's a pretty solid town. We're forming a pretty epic town-core here.

Again reiterating, Titus be on me

In case my ignoring you the other 50 times wasn't clear, I'll be on who I please.

Titus · Post Post #4249 (isolation #89) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:03 am

In post 4004, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Or alternatively, glitch is just scum.

UNVOTE: Glitch

Consider my vote here during my catch up.

Titus · Post Post #4255 (isolation #90) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:06 am

In post 4061, NorwegianboyEE wrote:That reminds me, has Titus done any of the VCA they promised yet?

Must be thinking of the wrong game. We just hit the point where VCA can have some utility today.

Titus · Post Post #4257 (isolation #91) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:09 am

In post 4112, Bell wrote:I want to see Titus do vca analysis now.
It can be a little fun to watch.
But if she doesn’t have time, then, meh.

My plan is to do it today.

Titus · Post Post #4258 (isolation #92) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:12 am

In post 4256, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 1958, Titus wrote:I want VCA to work with.
Nope, it’s right here.

Context easily checked by clicking on the link...

My A50 vote was made to aid in my VCA analysis later. It's not saying a timeframe as which it's relevant.

The magic time is Day 3 with a scumlynch (not a guilty). Here we have a scum vig which weakens a bit but is still useful.

Titus · Post Post #4259 (isolation #93) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:13 am

In post 4126, shellyc wrote:maybe the scumteam is stacked idk

seems a little too many PRs though ngl

who did you babysit last night titus?

Bell. He acknowledged with his Thanks Titus at the start of the day.

Titus · Post Post #4260 (isolation #94) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:14 am

In post 4135, Bell wrote:Or she moon walked through my house and stole my ID.
Either one.

My alt sensors are going off...

Titus · Post Post #4261 (isolation #95) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:18 am

In post 4190, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 4189, Bell wrote:
day vig NPOM
Legit? I don't remember reading day-vigs in the normal list

Dayvig is technically normal. Vig role is normal. Day modifier is normal. It's the most trolled role in MS history though soooo

Titus · Post Post #4265 (isolation #96) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:29 am

Eyeball questions to answer

Why did the Superbowl Norweigan and A50 wagons collapse? I doubt they are all the scumteam. Need to see if there's an overlap in who they were voting, who is voting them etc

Vc 2.06 and 2.07 are important but I need more data to draw alignment conclusions I think.

Titus · Post Post #4266 (isolation #97) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:30 am

In post 4264, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 4262, shellyc wrote:wait so they're still E-2 right
Titus and Hiraki unvote so E-3

I was not on NPOM today

Titus · Post Post #4269 (isolation #98) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:33 am

In post 4262, shellyc wrote:wait so they're still E-2 right

titus what are your reads atm

If Nee is town, Glitch is town. Neighborhood fake content should be easy to spot.

Jackson is likely town for how the EoD2 went down.

I still like bell and superbowl as town.

I am not a big fan of Shelley and NPOM. A50 I wouldn't mind lynching as trolls are hard to read and he'd clear up vca questions.

Titus · Post Post #4273 (isolation #99) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:35 am

In post 4272, shellyc wrote:is this VCA-wise analysis or a general read

General.

My VCA eyeball notes are just a ways up.

Titus · Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:48 am

In post 4274, shellyc wrote:
In post 4271, shellyc wrote:what makes you not a big fan of me?
answer this don't ignore me

You seem to not want to stir up the pot. You feel like you want to be seen but lack the ummph behind anything. Whatever's popular, you're there.

Titus · Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:20 pm

VLA until Monday

If you want to help my VCA go faster, decolor the mods vote counts and recolor them with flips. I can pop in and post but I won't have dedicated PC access and time until Monday. If someone does that formatting for me, I should be able to get a VCA out this weekend.

Titus · Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:21 pm

viewtopic.php?p=12121276#p12121276

That's a sample. Thanks shellyc.

Titus · Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:04 pm

In post 4351, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I guess Shelly thinks we should ignore the VCA

Voting someone before my VCA is done is hardly ignoring the VCA. Second, my VCA isn't God.

Titus · Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:47 am

In post 4460, shellyc wrote:
In post 4458, Bell wrote:
In post 4453, JacksonVirgo wrote:If Titus is town, we're good have faith in me.
If Titus is scum, mafia cannot kill me as they have to keep their claim.
I support this post since he seems to think it’s a good idea.
doesn't killing babysitter kill Jackson as well then?

It would. That's why I have fought to not have my target be outed.

Titus · Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:15 pm

In post 4524, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Is titus a vca expert or something?

I consider myself a pioneer of VCA. I am not fully invested in a game until I fully do my VCA. People who have played with me know this.

Titus · Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:20 pm

In post 4588, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 4587, Titus wrote:
In post 4524, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Is titus a vca expert or something?
I consider myself a pioneer of VCA. I am not fully invested in a game until I fully do my VCA. People who have played with me know this.
I did the thing, now do the thing. - JacksonVirgo 2020

Huh? I am tired. What did you do?

Titus · Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:27 pm

In post 4590, JacksonVirgo wrote:Didn't you ask for someone to do this?
In post 4366, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 2697, ManateeDude wrote:
VC1.21With 21 alive it takes 11 to eliminate[/b]

72offsuit (11):
SJReaver, Almost50, Hiraki, Titus, town looter,
I Keep Siteflaking
,
superbowl9
, Ydrasse, NoPowerOverMe, JacksonVirgo, Pickaxe Pete
(ELIMINATION!)

Titus (2):
Fwesnid,
Nero Cain

Ydrasse (2):
NorwegianboyEE,
72offsuit

NorwegianboyEE (2):
Glitch,
Dr Dolittle

DrDolittle(1):
ralph217

Fwesnid (1):
Marshmallow Marshall

Not Voting (2):
stan1ey, Bell

Mod Notes:

72offsuit will be eliminated
[/color]

In post 3799, ManateeDude wrote:
What should've been VC2.05
With 18 alive it takes 10 to eliminate

DrDolittle (10):
ralph217, shellyc,
superbowl9
, NorwegianBoyEE, Marshmallow Marshall,
I Keep Siteflaking
, NoPowerOverMe, Town looter, stan1ey, JacksonVirgo
(ELIMINATION!)

Glitch (2):

DrDolittle
, Titus

stan1ey (2):
Ydrasse, Fwesnid

NoPowerOverMe (2):
Almost50, Glitch, Hiraki

Ydrasse (1):
Bell

Not Voting (2):
stan1ey, Town looter

Deadline:
(expired on 2020-09-10 09:00:00)

Mod Notes:

Yup and that's a good start, but I need all of them, not just day end.

Titus · Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:31 pm

In post 4594, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 4593, Titus wrote:
In post 4590, JacksonVirgo wrote:Didn't you ask for someone to do this?
In post 4366, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 2697, ManateeDude wrote:
VC1.21With 21 alive it takes 11 to eliminate[/b]

72offsuit (11):
SJReaver, Almost50, Hiraki, Titus, town looter,
I Keep Siteflaking
,
superbowl9
, Ydrasse, NoPowerOverMe, JacksonVirgo, Pickaxe Pete
(ELIMINATION!)

Titus (2):
Fwesnid,
Nero Cain

Ydrasse (2):
NorwegianboyEE,
72offsuit

NorwegianboyEE (2):
Glitch,
Dr Dolittle

DrDolittle(1):
ralph217

Fwesnid (1):
Marshmallow Marshall

Not Voting (2):
stan1ey, Bell

Mod Notes:

72offsuit will be eliminated
[/color]

In post 3799, ManateeDude wrote:
What should've been VC2.05
With 18 alive it takes 10 to eliminate

DrDolittle (10):
ralph217, shellyc,
superbowl9
, NorwegianBoyEE, Marshmallow Marshall,
I Keep Siteflaking
, NoPowerOverMe, Town looter, stan1ey, JacksonVirgo
(ELIMINATION!)

Glitch (2):

DrDolittle
, Titus

stan1ey (2):
Ydrasse, Fwesnid

NoPowerOverMe (2):
Almost50, Glitch, Hiraki

Ydrasse (1):
Bell

Not Voting (2):
stan1ey, Town looter

Deadline:
(expired on 2020-09-10 09:00:00)

Mod Notes:

Yup and that's a good start, but I need all of them, not just day end.
Oh alright, I'll do that soon

Thanks. I'll be out most of tomorrow, like I was today, but it will accelerate the time frame on Monday.

Titus · Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:39 am

I see shiny colors. Time to get to work. Thanks Jackson.

Titus · Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:05 am

1.02 I expect CSF (now Ydrasse) and NorwegianboyEE to contain at most one scum. I don't see three scum on an early wagon with no counter.

1.03 Unless Bell is scum, SJReaver (now Shelly), Ydrasse and Bell contains at most 1 scum. Doubt Ydrasse is scum with Bell.

1.04 Doubt Bell and Town Looter are scum

1.07 Doubt JV is scum based on IKS vote

1.08 Lapsa is red but I would have doubted it based on IKS's vote. Odd. Needs explaination.

1.09 I would be surprised if Superbowl's wagon was pure given it stalled out.

Hard to make a comment on Fwes's alignment or his wagon because there's no counter and his alignment is unknown. GTMH VCA town because of the unknowns that make up his wagon. The more pure this wagon is, the more likely Fwes is scum.

Ralph gets townpoints for early starting a DrD/Lapsa wagon.

1.21 I would be very surprised if NPOM, Ydrasse, and JV is pure given 72offsuit flip and where he was pushing.

Day 2

VCA based on a possible mod night error doesn't happen much to be reliable for the MM wagon. I'm treating it as akin to a fake guilty if both MM and Fwes are town. I would expect at least 1-2 scum off wagon to close and 1-2 scum on wagon. I don't expect scum to be heavy pushers there.

We likely know that MM can't be scum due to uncced vig claim and confirmed no SK in normals. So if Fwes is scum, the goal would be to lynch the uncced vig and get out. The vig flipping still maintains Fwes's cover and he can actually get the mod error confirmed by visiting someone else. So I would expect a higher scum ratio.

Again, the above analysis is weak due to rarity.
2.04 Weak townpoints NPOM and JV.

2.05 I expect a fair amount of bussing on the Dr.D wagon because there's no counterwagon and it was fast. Scum didn't push Glitch, which makes sense because they already knew his role and Glitch was agency captured.

Titus · Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:26 am

In post 4647, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 4643, Titus wrote:I see shiny colors. Time to get to work. Thanks Jackson.
There likely is a few errors there with colouring as I did it manually then realised ctrl+F is a thing.

It worked enough. Thank you. I normally do all the subs too.

Titus · Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:27 am

VOTE: NPOM

Let's end the day now.

Titus · Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:43 am

In post 4656, JacksonVirgo wrote:Though I swear to god, Titus be on me I don't care about any buts. And if there's another protective, which I doubt. Be on me as well in case Titus doesn't

Fine.

Titus · Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:50 pm

In post 4683, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:
In post 4680, shellyc wrote:
In post 4644, Glitch wrote:What is happening here and what's with this sheepish progression? One post you're explaining why the game is hanging on Titus's VCA and the next moment you're complaining about it. It doesn't make any sense.
I was V/LA and was expecting to come back to insightful posts. instead we were all waiting for titus' vca
Uh.... what? Why are we waiting specifically on
Titus
' VCA, and why does it matter that much?

Because my VCA is a way of reading me and it provides little to no value before d3 with a scumflip. I have done it now, so we hammerred.

Titus · Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:32 am

In post 4878, JacksonVirgo wrote:Um, Titus?

Assuming the vigi shot Hiraki, I did not expect them to be shot as if A50 flipped town I was gonna TR them but Hiraki's flip doesn't really solve much.
VOTE: A50

I targeted MM.

With scum supposing I was on you, I could protect another PR. I don't regret lying to you in the slightest.

Titus · Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:37 am

I agree A50 should claim and then popcorn to his largest unclaimed scumread.

Titus · Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:59 am

In post 4892, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 4887, Titus wrote:
In post 4878, JacksonVirgo wrote:Um, Titus?

Assuming the vigi shot Hiraki, I did not expect them to be shot as if A50 flipped town I was gonna TR them but Hiraki's flip doesn't really solve much.
VOTE: A50
I targeted MM.

With scum supposing I was on you, I could protect another PR. I don't regret lying to you in the slightest.
Dude

Dudette.

I don't get my reputation on MS by being risk averse or predictable.

Titus · Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:08 am

In post 4908, Glitch wrote:Tbh it may have been a mistake but Titus gets points for not trusting JV to call the shots on Titus's night action.

My SR on Norway has been heavily impacted by our interactions since I recruited him. Do you SR norway?? Why?

Why do I get points for not trusting JV? Do you SR JV?

Titus · Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:09 am

In post 4911, shellyc wrote:
In post 4908, Glitch wrote:Tbh it may have been a mistake but Titus gets points for not trusting JV to call the shots on Titus's night action.

My SR on Norway has been heavily impacted by our interactions since I recruited him. Do you SR norway?? Why?
I'm flip-flopping on him but I feel his confidence in reads and attempt to gamesolve leans town.

pedit: I meant RL days. I admittedly know close to nothing about claiming. Why is it a problem hardclaiming VT?

His objection is more how you went about it. To me, it's NAI bc RL. I still would have preffered A50 to go first.

Titus · Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:17 am

In post 4915, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I still scumread Shelly for his "confidence" on a NPOM scumflip.

I scumread you for your extreme confidence on NPOM town.

Titus · Fri Sep 18, 2020 4:30 am

In post 4922, NorwegianboyEE wrote:@Titus
Why did you target the vigilante rather than the gunsmith? Isn’t it objectively more pro-town play to protect the gunsmith?

Absolutely not. If the vig hits scum, we don't have to burn a lynch. Plus, the vig shoots indefinitely while fwes had only one more shot. Third, MM is conftown bc normal rules. Fwes, while probably town at the time, wasn't conftown.

Titus · Fri Sep 18, 2020 4:31 am

In post 4924, NorwegianboyEE wrote:And if Titus is targeting PR’s and scum knows killing town!Titus can get two town at the same time, why has this not happened?

Because they don't know I am targeting PRs until after the fact.

Titus · Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:22 am

In post 4934, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 4930, Titus wrote:
In post 4922, NorwegianboyEE wrote:@Titus
Why did you target the vigilante rather than the gunsmith? Isn’t it objectively more pro-town play to protect the gunsmith?
Absolutely not. If the vig hits scum, we don't have to burn a lynch. Plus, the vig shoots indefinitely while fwes had only one more shot. Third, MM is conftown bc normal rules. Fwes, while probably town at the time, wasn't conftown.
If vig hits town they die.
If gunsmith hits town we get a conf!town.

We already have like 5 conftown. Me Jackson Glitch MM. Going through the unknowns faster is better.

Titus · Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:22 am

That doesn't count people who are obvious town like Bell.

Titus · Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:12 am

In post 4952, Almost50 wrote:So, who did JV check??? Shouldn't you a;; have asked him that before you started claiming??

You're up to claim.

VOTE: A50

Titus · Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:42 am

In post 4955, stan1ey wrote:
In post 4952, Almost50 wrote:So, who did JV check??? Shouldn't you a;; have asked him that before you started claiming??
their alternative night cop, no?

Way to ruin the reaction dude.

Titus · Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:48 am

If that's right, he can confirm and popcorn.

Titus · Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:00 pm

I'll be back Sunday. I may pop in tomorrow but don't expect it.

X post all games.

Titus · Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:06 am

I visited Jackson last night.

@Jackson, what's your result?

Titus · Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:44 am

In post 5237, Ydrasse wrote:soooooo. question rn.

why hasn’t the mafia killed titus who is protecting prs?

In post 5238, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I agree Ydrasse. If town has a lot of strong PR’s atm. And Titus is randomly protecting them. Why would they target Bell (just a somewhat townread VT) over killing Titus that has no protection on themselves, but can target other town PR’s and is more likely to cause multideaths on town than any of the remaining scum.

Because I could change at any moment to target scum. The VTs feel cornered, likely because they're scum.

Titus · Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:45 am

In fact,

VOTE: NorweiganEE

Titus · Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:50 am

I keep siteflaking.
Bell.
Mm.
Jackson.

My vote is based on your interactions with me and the fact I trust Glitch and Jackson. You're behaving like a caged scum, much like you did when I caught you last two times.

Titus · Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:53 am

In post 5256, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 5249, Titus wrote:The VTs feel cornered, likely because they're scum.
So why would scum keep killing VT’s if they are cornering themselves? Your explanation doesn’t fit with reality.

To let you make this argument. Bell was more townread than any of the PRs.

Titus · Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:54 am

You pushed this argument and we lynched shelly yesterday. It's pretty clear you're trapped with one of Ralph/stanley. You keep Ralph alive hoping he shoots us.

Titus · Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:58 am

In post 5259, NorwegianboyEE wrote:How on earth would a team with me and Ralph make any sense.

It explains perfectly why you push Stanley today while creating paranoia amongst the PRs. Either way you get a townlynch.

That supposes ralph is your partner but you could just be bussing Stanley for cred.

Titus · Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:03 am

In post 5263, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 5261, Titus wrote:That supposes ralph is your partner but you could just be bussing Stanley for cred.
Are you delusional?
How on earth do you expect me to endgame with bussing Stan for cred when there are still like 5 PR’s left that will obviously check me at some point?

I expect you to die and the last scum to cede. The other two VT claimers aren't even trying. You need my lynch to win. Then you rely on MM to shoot another PR.

That's why you've doubted us.

Titus · Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:05 am

In post 5265, NorwegianboyEE wrote:You could be protecting Stan just like you claim i’m protecting Ralph. Why is Stan town? The only reason you seem to trust him is because you claim i’m scum. But what will you say about him if i flip town?

You're wanting to get PRs dead. You're settling for bussing or the last viable mislynch. That's pretty clear from my posting.

Titus · Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:06 am

In post 5266, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 5264, Titus wrote:That's why you've doubted us.
If i’m town what would i be doing differently?
Not doubt you? Trust that scum are in Ralph and Stan 100%?

Yes or that Glitch faked his N2 result, which you aren't pushing very hard.

Titus · Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:07 am

In post 5268, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I’m voting Stan. How is that wanting PR’s dead.

You tried lynching me for like 3 days and opened shading me today.

Titus · Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:07 am

I'd rather take the vocal scum than a 50/50 because the last scum would cede. It's gg to lynch you.

Titus · Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:09 am

In post 5273, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Do you have an persecution complex?

When caged scum shade me, I lynch them. If that's a persecution complex, then yes.

Titus · Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:11 am

In post 5276, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Let’s say it’s not GG to elim me.
What’s next for you?

Lynch Ralph and Stanley while targeting one of them.

Titus · Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:12 am

Then I suppose MM vigs me.

We lynch the other.

Titus · Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:30 am

In post 5283, stan1ey wrote:last day I was v confident we would win but now im starting to get spooked by scum not targeting the PRs

Ok. I'd now lynch this and target EE.

Titus · Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:28 pm

In post 5292, JacksonVirgo wrote:Titus you are an idiot. I have absolutely no time to do anything right now but I'll post soon

I'll resist the urge to fight you and put you on ignore until your claim.

Titus · Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:29 pm

In post 5294, Glitch wrote:
In post 5290, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 5286, Glitch wrote:Titus can you post a list of your targets each night here?
They posted it already:

N1:
I keep siteflaking

N2:
Bell

N3: Mm
N4: Jackson
Oh my bad I must have missed it. Let me go ISO bell now that he flipped VT and see if he can confirm titus. If so we have no reason to sus Titus any more and can conf town him.

I'll save you the hassle. Bell confirms I visited him n2 but my feedback doesn't say babysitter as MM and Jackson can attest.

Titus · Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:30 pm

Also, I am a she.

Titus · Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:29 am

Doctor makes a lot of sense with a vigilante and a babysitter. It gives a lot of killing protection some safety.

Scum could have a strongman but aren't required to have one as scum can just kill whoever they want on even nights if I am not protecting them.

Basically, the doctor is a failsafe built in if MM and I mess up.

Titus · Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:35 am

That's the way the moderator intended it and why Nero could only block scums.

Titus · Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:10 am

In post 5412, ralph217 wrote:
In post 5407, Titus wrote:Doctor makes a lot of sense with a vigilante and a babysitter. It gives a lot of killing protection some safety.

Scum could have a strongman but aren't required to have one as scum can just kill whoever they want on even nights if I am not protecting them.

Basically, the doctor is a failsafe built in if MM and I mess up.
this makes less sence . too much powre for town and we can folow the cop . if scum have strongmen then setup to swingy becuse 3 protective really good for towm but only if strongmen dead . so lot is on when strongmen dies and bad balamcing

So? We have a lot of swing. Swing isn't bad in normals.

The balance issue completely goes away if scum didn't play like chicken shits and just killed me. They insisted on shading me and now scum is in a no win situation unless they lynch me.

Titus · Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:10 am

In post 5415, ralph217 wrote:is totus full roll loud announcing doc ?

No. Babysitter.

Titus · Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:12 am

In post 5418, ralph217 wrote:loud babysitter?

Yes. It probably gives scum a way around the wifommy ness of my role. That's why I am loud.

Titus · Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:26 am

In post 5420, NorwegianboyEE wrote:To be fair, if i actually was scum i probably would have advocated just lolshooting Titus earlier.

Probably thought the vig would handle me, but I was just town enough despite the shade.

Titus · Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:28 am

My bet is that scum have a strongman and a rolecop left

That does leave EE an out though where he's not just in a 1 v 1 if I am right

Titus · Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:34 am

In post 5423, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 5422, Titus wrote:My bet is that scum have a strongman and a rolecop left

That does leave EE an out though where he's not just in a 1 v 1 if I am right
I am assuming as much, but am not understanding the second bit

Glitch has a positive motion detector result on NEE n2.

Either scum targeted NEE too or NEE and Glitch are in a 1 v 1.

Titus · Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:02 am

In post 5425, JacksonVirgo wrote:Apparently I am JacksonLeo now. Fuck that shit

What does this mean?

Titus · Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:48 am

In post 5434, Town looter wrote:
In post 5407, Titus wrote:Doctor makes a lot of sense with a vigilante and a babysitter. It gives a lot of killing protection some safety.

Scum could have a strongman but aren't required to have one as scum can just kill whoever they want on even nights if I am not protecting them.

Basically, the doctor is a failsafe built in if MM and I mess up.
Lol, I wish I knew enough about setups to know if this is just utter BS...

You do know enough.

I mean look at who all is pushing it and their motivations. Look what happens if I live.

How does a Norway/Stanley/Ralph team win? They don't. Even if we're wrong on one, I get shot. Another dies. Minimum death. 1 scum by nightfall.

Scum can't win against MM, so he gets strongmanned tonight.

That leaves Jackson alive. They mislynch.

Then, scum have to kill Jackson or pick to go against him in lylo deliberately.

That's the very narrow path scum have to victory if I live.

Titus · Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:46 am

@Glitch, Your supposition lacks the assumption that I am vigged and take a member of the scumpool with me. That by far is the optimal use of my role here.

Please rerun your numbers.

@NorwegianboyEE, Shelly and I had our spats but on the time she was quicklynched I was afk sitewide during that period.

Titus · Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:47 am

VOTE: Stanley

I'll just kill EE tonight.

Titus · Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:51 am

In post 5448, NorwegianboyEE wrote:You can’t kill me if i’m scum Titus. I’d just not target you.

MM will shoot me. Thus resolving the paranoia on my slot and highlighting once and for all that I sm right.

You can't stop MM from shooting me.

Titus · Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:53 am

In post 5451, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 5449, Titus wrote:
In post 5448, NorwegianboyEE wrote:You can’t kill me if i’m scum Titus. I’d just not target you.
MM will shoot me. Thus resolving the paranoia on my slot and highlighting once and for all that I sm right.

You can't stop MM from shooting me.
And if Stan flips mafia?

Still taking you out. You are the consensus scum possibility that is too hard to lynch.

Titus · Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:54 am

You play proscum, you're in a pool of 3 that should have 2 scum in it.
I can't get you lynched.

It's a no brainer play to die and protect the PRs.

Titus · Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:56 am

In post 5453, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Because i can easily convince MM to not be dimwitted and assume an impossible Stan/Norwee team like you seem to do.

So you would rather me live if you live?

This has zero to do with solving. You just want to live.

Titus · Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:56 am

In post 5455, NorwegianboyEE wrote:You’re telling me i should assume scum is exactly Stan1ey Ralph and that scum can’t lie about PR.

No. You should assume scum is likely Stanley and Ralph but if you die, you're proven right before lylo.

Titus · Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:57 am

In post 5458, NorwegianboyEE wrote:No i just want to understand what’s going through your head.

3 possible scum. 2 slots. 1 hard to lynch.

I can kill hard to lynch scum by baiting a vig.

Titus · Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:01 pm

So the question to you EE, is do you want MM to shoot me?

Titus · Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:03 pm

Why? Isn't your point on there's scum in the PRs equally valid regardless of Stanley's flip?

Titus · Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:08 pm

Or you know Stan is scum and that keeps you alive.

Either way, unless MM goes off the reservation, you die.

Titus · Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:30 pm

Stanley is at L minus 1

Titus · Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:40 pm

Look, I can just murderize EE tonight. It's ok if they survive the lynch. We're not getting the support to lynch him.

Titus · Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:52 pm

In post 5478, JacksonVirgo wrote:I don't want the Babysitter shot tonight by the vigi to use as a vigi as that would mean I would likely get shot by the mafia and seems counterintuitive and I want to get at least one cop check in before or on LyLo or at least attempt to get that. I'd much rather just have the vigi shoot NEE/Stan depending on which of the pair gets elimmed.

Scum should shoot MM regardless of if he shoots me.

Scum can talk their way out of a PoE guilty in lylo. They can't outtalk bullets from conftown.

Titus · Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:51 pm

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

It's happening!

Titus · Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:48 pm

VOTE: Ralph

Titus · Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:51 pm

I am in favor of lynching today. No lynching leaves us in lylo tomorrow. We'll still have the same clears and information. We'll just have one more dead.

Titus · Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:52 pm

Oh wait I forgot we get Jackson's result.

UNVOTE:

Titus · Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:53 pm

VOTE: No lynch

Titus · Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:59 am

In post 5592, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 5591, ralph217 wrote:hmmmm doesnt titsu make the most sence for mafia doc ? its really good for scum vs gunsmith and vig so mod made it loud to balance
Mafia doc isn't unbalanced with two gunsmiths and a vigi wot

If it was quiet maybe. A loud mafia doctor that puts a neon sign on teammates isn't a good, balanced role. Especially with this much town power.

Think of a massclaim in late game.

I'm a doctor. Then why have you visited only scummy slots? We know exactly who you visited. Town lynches everyone who mob doctor visited.

Or

The loud mob doctor can't heal their teammates denying use of the role entirely with the vig in the game.

It also requires the slot be checked to get any utility for scum.

A loud mafia doctor just doesn't work.

Titus · Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:13 am

In post 5607, ralph217 wrote:
In post 5605, Titus wrote:
In post 5592, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 5591, ralph217 wrote:hmmmm doesnt titsu make the most sence for mafia doc ? its really good for scum vs gunsmith and vig so mod made it loud to balance
Mafia doc isn't unbalanced with two gunsmiths and a vigi wot
If it was quiet maybe. A loud mafia doctor that puts a neon sign on teammates isn't a good, balanced role. Especially with this much town power.

Think of a massclaim in late game.

I'm a doctor. Then why have you visited only scummy slots? We know exactly who you visited. Town lynches everyone who mob doctor visited.

Or

The loud mob doctor can't heal their teammates denying use of the role entirely with the vig in the game.

It also requires the slot be checked to get any utility for scum.

A loud mafia doctor just doesn't work.
not black and white like you making it. . instead you target your partners few time when you need to and raget town other times . which is what you did haha

That doesn't work because a mafia doctor blocks the vig from acting. So visiting town PRs is very dumb for a mafia doctor, loud or not.

You're trying to fit a round peg into a square hole.

Titus · Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:31 am

In post 5609, ralph217 wrote:or the mafia doc doesnt target prs they think the town vig will target ? which you didnt ?

Which supposes a psychic loud mafia doctor at the game start. We had our PRs claim early. What about the scenario where they don't?

This also supposes mafia randomly forfeit and accept the loss in utility of a loud mafia doctor because a gunsmith might be in the game and might clear them.

Titus · Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:29 am

In post 5612, Ydrasse wrote:idk, i really just don’t get why titus is alive right now with a pattern of visiting prs this entire time. there’s the wifom of yeah she could switch to someone else like maf but she just... hasn’t.

It's because the vig wouldn't shoot me. I begged for it yesterday. Scum need me as the final mislynch. They can't shoot their mislynches with the amount of clears.

Titus · Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:32 am

If the vig had shot me, we would have one more mislynch and I would be confirmed.

Titus · Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:21 am

I feel like it should just be Ralph but I don't see why he reconsiders with Ydrasse agreeing with him unless they're teamed. Ralph seems really genuine today though unlike other days.

No elim makes sense only if we feel that I am town and capable of wifoming the scumteam one last time. They can take a guaranteed kill in a townier PR (other than Jackson), risk killing me (thereby putting themselves at risk), or risk killing Jackson directly.

If we as a collective feel I am scum, the play here is to lynch me and lose.

Titus · Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:03 pm

Glitch motion detect target should remain silent.

I must act though. If I don't act, that signs Jackson's death warrant. I may not heal him but scum need to have that fear. I want Jackson's result.

Titus · Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:08 am

Ralph, if you're town, you must understand the role of a babysitter is inherently swingy just like a vig. The power of the role comes from how it is played. It's a giant chain of wifom chicken. It's one that scum knew I was vulnerable every even night. I just put the fear of God into them by refusing any suggestions made by anyone about my role.

You setting Jackson up to die is super sketchy. The only reason to vote no elimination is if you believe I would ignore you and wifom correctly.

Let's suppose Jackson is scum and we follow your plan. Jackson will just kill a clear/me and we'll be back in the same place tomorrow.

You would make the same arguments tomorrow only this time Jackson comes back with a "result" on you.

It's the same damn cycle.

Titus · Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:59 am

In post 5650, ralph217 wrote:we wont be in the same situation . jack should check me so if hes scum hes forced into a 1v1 and then our chances go up massive and ill know soemthing for sur that i can case .

You literally can case Jackson just as well today if you think he's scum. Why haven't you considered Jackson checking someone else or getting a clear on you?

Titus · Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:19 am

In post 5652, ralph217 wrote:cuse its you or jack and i dont know who righ now . i can case much beter when i no for 100%

I don't see why you're setting up this false dichotomy. It makes you look desperate.

If your argument is there's too much power, then why wouldn't you question Town Looter? While I don't think Town Looter is scum, I feel his claim is fake. A night 3 gunsmith that doesn't CC the 3 shot gs or Jackson suggests the claim is fake. I doubt looter was bussing but rather it was a successful reaction test.

Then there's Glitch who has a result on EE allegedly. Yet EE flipped town. For Glitch's claim to be true, some unknown mafia PR visited EE night 2. Where is this PR?

Those are the questions I would be expecting you to ask if doubting the number of PRs in the game. Instead, your play seems to be about planning for when you and Jackson are both alive tomorrow.

Titus · Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:20 am

Your play does not make sense as either alignment.

Titus · Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:11 am

Loot was the main person who got shelley lynched. That's not disputable. That doesn't make his claim true.

Ralph, if you're town, go back and look at all possibilities. Don't shade but find Jackson's hypothetical partner.

Titus · Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:48 am

In post 5676, Town looter wrote:I'll hammer no elim tomorrow unless someone convinces me otherwise overnight.

Tbf, I don't like wearing the game on my back but it's what needs to happen. Without Jackson's next result, I doubt we'll all unify.

Titus · Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:56 am

I visited Ralph.

Titus · Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:07 pm

Let's see what Jackson and Glitch got for results.

Titus · Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:48 pm

Ralph, please confirm my visit to you.

Titus · Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:33 pm

Ralph, what are your thoughts?

Titus · Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:07 pm

In post 5692, ralph217 wrote:dont think i shuld give them until jack climes result .

Why does Jackson's result block you from scumhunting?

Titus · Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:10 pm

In post 5693, Town looter wrote:
In post 5687, Glitch wrote:Damn I didn't expect that. I recruited Ydrasse for motion detection. Wow.

I'll be back shortly to start sorting this.
This seems both genuine and a decision a towny would make. Ydrasse would've been a great motion detection target because she was unlikely to get targeted by anything and therefore a positive would be a reliable guilty result.

You are getting town binned.

Everyone else is in today's POE from my point of view.

I am going to wait until we hear from JV, and I have done some analysis of combinations and associations, before I cast a judgement.

While I lean town on Glitch, someone has to be scum with Ralph. Glitch's target makes sense but it's also "I targeted the dead guy" which gives us no information. I see where you're coming from but I can't townbin him yet.

Titus · Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:54 pm

In post 5710, JacksonVirgo wrote:Looter do you confirm that. If so there's scum in Looter/Titus. Safest play would be you checking Looter tonight while I protect you and Titus babysits Looter. That way it's an instant win for town I think.

Can you break this down? I'm not following the play here. If there's an autowin, I'd love it.

Titus · Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:59 pm

In post 5711, Glitch wrote:N1 --> IKSF (Motion Detect: Positive)
N2 --> Norway (Motion Detect: Positive*)
N3 --> Town Looter (Motion Detect: Positive)
N4 --> Bell (Motion Detect: Positive [died])
N5 --> Ralph (Motion Detect: Negative)
N6 --> Ydrasse (Motion Detect: Positive [died])

*N2 is still unexplained and proves scum have a PR.

Supposing the high likelihood that you are town, then let's look at who this realistically can be.

It's not you. It's not me because I am loud and alibied.

So that leaves Jackson, Looter, Ralph.

There's one scum in Jackson/Ralph based on the night results.

If Jackson can be alibied out, then that leaves Looter and Ralph.

Basically, I feel all roads lead to Ralph, I just want to secure it.

Titus · Tue Sep 29, 2020 4:01 pm

Jackson, can you detail all your night actions again?

Titus · Tue Sep 29, 2020 4:05 pm

In post 5715, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 5712, Titus wrote:
In post 5710, JacksonVirgo wrote:Looter do you confirm that. If so there's scum in Looter/Titus. Safest play would be you checking Looter tonight while I protect you and Titus babysits Looter. That way it's an instant win for town I think.
Can you break this down? I'm not following the play here. If there's an autowin, I'd love it.
Since there's going to be one scum going into tonight. Wait fuck I forgot glitch sees visits on their target too hol' up.

If Titus no-visits. Glitch WIFOMS between Titus and Looter. I protect Glitch. Glitch will get either a positive or a negative result and if there's a kill that's an instant guilty, if there's a kill and it's a negative it's a guilty on the other. This is the world where I get shot.

If Ralph is scum and Jackson plus Glitch are town, this is autowin.

This dictates a Looter/ralph scumteam. I'm not sure I'm ready to get on that.