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[Cat Scratch Fever]

Mile wide gaps and logic and missing the point, not understanding or failing to comprehend nuance is pretty much par for the course.
Misunderstandings ahoy.

Why did you vote MM initially?

[Nero Cain]

you said norway isn't being pushed that much. He's been one on the days main pushes besides you, Glitch and Superbowl.

so I guess yea, I am making the argument that norway was pushed today (b/c he was!) but I've never used it as a reason for why Glitch is scum. Also you called my Glitch reasoning weak before 639 but you are using 639 to call my reasoning weak.

[Town looter]

so i cant just say fwensid is scum since omgus . but other wise i wouldn't be here so i think he is expreee to lynch me . why scummy gibberish fwesnid?

I find the most annoying or stupid person in the game is always on my side, so I'll assume you're townie.

You've been absent, I hope it's not because you have rolled scum and don't know what to post?

Why are you scum reading me?

I'm not.

Or, I wasn't until you quoted a random post, missed the part where I told the person I was voting for that I'd town read you, and decided I scum reading you. That does strike me as overly defensive.

Huh, I guess you weren't, interesting.

I quickly read the posts below as you SRing me by implication, but revisiting I can see how I got that wrong.

Spoiler:

superbowl9 (5): stan1ey, 72offsuit, Marshmallow, Town looter, Fwesnid

One of these is not like the other. Town Looter, what are you doing on this wagon? Don't tell me it's because stanley, 72, or Mashmellow offered compelling arguments.

What’s wrong with the super wagon, SJ? I think the wagon composition is townish. Do you think Super Bowl is towny?

I do. And I think he's a solid townie as well. Not super but middle of the road when it comes to pushing the game. Which means I don't like that people are trying to eliminate him over weaker players.

What I'm asking myself is 'did scum start this wagon, or did scum see it rolling and hop on?'

VOTE: 72ofsuit

72, is Looter your scum buddy? I was town reading him earlier and I'd like your insight.

[Town looter]

I find the most annoying or stupid person in the game is always on my side, so I'll assume you're townie.

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Found it. Ten out of ten breadcrumbing.

Ok, you won me over SJ, this post is a delight.

I still kinda maybe think you are scum, but the post is delightful.

[SJReaver]

That would be too subtle for me. The between my scum reading a person and calling for their beheading tends to be paper thin.

[Nero Cain]

Also I had kinda felt like Glitch's hesitation @ joining the MM wagon made MM somewhat likely to be town. What do you think about that?

Sorry but can you link me to this post? I don't remember this

I wish I could have been here when your wagon was alive and strong so I could bolster it with my vote as well

it was also ??? b/c the wagon was a fairly strong 4 votes so IDK why he's acting like it was gone and dead. And even if it was dead (or thought it was dead) he could have tried to restart it

So he didn't vote MM b/c ????

FMPOV, a vote on a growing wagon just moves the game along and intentionally not moving the game foreward is scummy to me.

And how does that make me more likely to be town? If anything, according to your reasoning, it should make me more likely to be scum: if you're right in assuming scum!Glitch, he'd have either defended scum!me indirectly by steering the lynch away from me or deemed that pushing town!me would be a bad idea for reasons unknown. Now obviously, I'm not saying I'm scum, and I don't really see why Glitch would be, either, but I don't get your reasoning.

It's not 100% the same thing but here is scum Mastina voting her scumbuddy and intentionally not joining the sircakes wagon

Subject: Star Wars Rogue One [GAME OVER]

Let me word it to you this way:
I go where I feel I am needed.

I am needed on Pine.
I am not needed on SirCakez.

If it turns out that I can't lynch Pine, and it turns out that I am needed on SirCakez, I will switch to him.
But otherwise, I'd prefer to go on Pine, if for nothing else to make the statement that, yes. Pine is scum.

It's not that hard a concept to grasp.

its runs mostly counter productive but scum aren't always going to vote on a wagon when they can get town to lynch them and avoid being VCA pegged.

I was also already town reading you previosly to that (that being Glitch not voting you) and that was certianly playing a factor in my thinking. I mean, maybe it wasn't a good reason to begin with idk but its how I felt.

So Glitch not joining your wagon was agenda-y and doesn't help to move the game forward. That's scum play.

if you're right in assuming scum!Glitch, he'd have either defended scum!me indirectly by steering the lynch away from me or deemed that pushing town!me would be a bad idea for reasons unknown.

ok but he did do that by pushing me and norway, no? And the second part is unprovable.

I mean maybe you could argue that occams says that Glitch not voting MM is more likely to be a buddy play instead of a scum thats intentionally not voting town but "I wish I could have been here when your wagon was alive and strong so I could bolster it with my vote as well" is an appeal to popularity and the way I felt is that scum Glitch throwing some fire on the MM wagon meant MM was prob town.

So I'm not really sure if this is town confused @ how I got what I got and is just paranoid that I'm scum that knew he was town or he's doing that wierd thing that scum do when you town read them.

[I Keep Siteflaking]

When asked, "Where does Glitch advocate for lynching y'all," and Nero says, "Right here. Where he wants to wagon us."
Then yes. That's a misrep. I want to wagon. Wagon =/= lynch. It can lead to a lynch. Or it can lead to disbanding the wagon. Why is this controversial?

I mean this is just nitpicking at small semantic differences

The difference between wagoning and lynching isn’t even relevant given the nature of siteflaking’s question

Do you disagree

Or more topically do you think Nero was “misrepping” glitch

If I undestand it correctly, Nero scumreads glitch because he reads his wagoning as setting up mislynches.
The thing which "isn’t even relevant given the nature of my question" is the responce to my question.

[Nero Cain]

To make it short, my main reason for voting you is that your push on Glitch is bad and that you're clinging to it without being towny by doing other stuff (really, your latest and main activity has been pushing Glitch and more or less insulting Norwee over petty stuff).

but this is hot garbage and applies WAYYYYY more to Glitch than to me. I mean yes, I'm spending a fair amount of time talking about Glitch but it's unfair to say that just push Glitch. Meanwhile, Glitch is literally doing nothing but pushing me (and he talked about norway earlier)

If this was scum then I'm sorry for "derailing" the wagon and will no longer defend it if it pops up again.

[Town looter]

Hiraki, keen to hear where you finally land on Glitch once you have fully caught up. BoP coming your way buddy.

What is a BoP? I intend to vote him for reasons that have nothing to do with what is currently being said. Don't know if need to elaborate on them.

Burden of proficiency. Your approach has a degree of confidence/arrogance to it, so it's only fair you lead us poorly misinformed townies to victory with your perfectly on point reads.

[72offsuit]

I thought that it was over.....
I thought you'd understand.....

That Superbowl;s wagon.....
Is the one to get on, band.....

[Hiraki]

Well, try again.

I don't (feel well about JV's alignment) but I definitely do not (fell well about Bell's alignment)

Happy?

Bell is my strongest town read right now. In our previous game we were masons together and he acted just like this.

Cool?

I keep on reading this post. I hope there's no code or anything in it because if there is, I don't get it.

Why say this?

Reaver is awesome.
Cool post.

What??

Okay. I lied about staying on Norway. We need a new wagon.

Unvote

So when you say "lie", are you suggesting that you didn’t actually plan to vote me all day, or that you didn’t actually scumread me and did it for reaction test, or that you initially scumread me but changed your mind over time.
Do you not SR me or did you want to push someone else?

I got this one. He's bored.

Hiraki, keen to hear where you finally land on Glitch once you have fully caught up. BoP coming your way buddy.

What is a BoP? I intend to vote him for reasons that have nothing to do with what is currently being said. Don't know if need to elaborate on them.

Burden of proficiency. Your approach has a degree of confidence/arrogance to it, so it's only fair you lead us poorly misinformed townies to victory with your perfectly on point reads.

Unfortunately, it seems arrogance has been on the higher end of the spectrum as of late. Let's hope the accuracy has returned though.

[Hiraki]

What??

This is stupid - ignore it.

[superbowl9]

The wagon against you is bad but it's in the lead. Why do you think that is?

I think maybe a few scum and poorly playing town

[superbowl9]

Cain I think you are targeting the wrong people in Glitch and MM, arguing with them isn't producing helpful content. Glitch will be a miselim that provides 0 info. Come back to stanley with me! That seems like a much better flip for everyone

[superbowl9]

This looks genuine to me, probably because I tend to make wallposts/a lot of small posts when I catch up too. Good feeling on Hiraki for now.

This is the worst townread of all time

[superbowl9]

Actually this seems more interesting/likely to go to elim for me

VOTE: lapsa

[Titus]

Okay done being a dick sorry

Reaver your avatar is very calming

That's why I picked it. Also, why I post random gifs.

The wagon against you is bad but it's in the lead. Why do you think that is?

This is not a fair question.

[Titus]

Even if there's flips? That's hardcore.

Especially when there's flips. I avoid groupthink that way. If town is lynching scum, best not to interfere. If town is not lynching scum, a new theory might help.

I do look at VCs though and if there's relevant claims people know to tell me.

I'm a bit of a character though.

Doesnt it make it hard to catch onto what's happening?

Nope. I use the VC for that.

[Titus]

Glitch v Superbowl, let's see what happens.

VOTE: Glitch

[Nero Cain]

I am/was town reading MM but now I just don't care what his alignment is.

Glitch is who I think is scum.

[Nero Cain]

Glitch (6): Nero Cain, NorwegianBoyEE, Bell, Cat Scratch Fever, Hiraki, Titus
superbowl9 (4): stan1ey, 72offsuit,Town looter, Fwesnid
Lapsa (4): ralph217, I Keep Siteflaking, NoPowerOverMe, superbowl9
Nero Cain (2): Glitch, Marshmallow
NorwegianBoyEE (1):JacksonVirgo
JacksonVirgo (1): Pickaxe Pete
72offsuit (1): SJReaver


Not Voting: Almost50, Lapsa

[NorwegianboyEE]

Liking the Glitch wagon because most of the people there i TR/feel good about.

[Almost50]

I came in today with the intent to read. However, I manage d to talk myself out of it. I am willing to sheep someone provided I know them well. OBVIOUSLY the wagon on Glitch is the one with ALL the people I "know well".

VOTE: Glitch

That was easy.

[Almost50]

Nero AND Titus on the same wagon? Glitch must be obv!scum (or Nero and Titus are scum together)

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'd be ok with either a glitch or Lapsa elim based on the wagons. They both look fairly towny.