I really hope to DETECT the mafia while I'm CHECKING if people look SUSPICIOUS in my JAIL that is also a GUNSMITH and that no one finds my illegal DOCTOR practice
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U wot m8
I really hope to DETECT the mafia while I'm CHECKING if people look SUSPICIOUS in my JAIL that is also a GUNSMITH and that no one finds my illegal DOCTOR practice
So you ARE a simp for them.
Imagine thinking first-post votes actually matterIn post 33, fua wrote:Alice, Uglyduck, and Jackson are the only three that came in and posted without giving a vote. Could it be that they don’t want anything to be traced back to them?In post 31, AliceK wrote:That's tempting, but I think we can also wait for him to be replaced out.In post 28, Three wrote:Can we flash wagon Not Mafia?
Not posted yet: Andres, Kyouko, Not_Mafia, and MargotRosa.
VOTE: Uglyduck[/c]
Discuss.
I would normally say that vigilante should never counterclaim and just shoot them instead if possible, and I usually would not have an issue with an early likely-meme claim but in this specific setup, but with a mafia watcher and doctor that could very well be a play to get N_M shot and possibly healed to get the vigilante outted and kill them off early.In post 60, UglyDuck wrote:Agree that if they are not Vig, then real vig should not CC.In post 55, Three wrote:Nobody should publically CC. NM gets naturally resolved tonight. If he's true claiming then mafia deals with him. If he's fake claiming then the real Vig's bullet will be the CC.
However, the rest of it is not that simple.
NM is very much a chaos-based player.In post 62, UglyDuck wrote:This is obviously implying he has "done stuff like this before". Has he done this... stuff like this? Save me some time please, and just help fill in the meta for someone that does not know it.In post 54, fua wrote:Considering his track record I’m not inclined to believe N_M unless there’s no counterclaim.
ItIn post 63, UglyDuck wrote:I personally find shooting early as town vig to be kind of a negative utility role use - am I alone on that one?
In other words I like to think, if it's got more chance of killing scum than not at all, go for it unless it is super detrimental to the Town. Although, take this from someone who hasn't played in this sites meta in a while and in a different community.In post 65, JacksonVirgo wrote:ItIn post 63, UglyDuck wrote:I personally find shooting early as town vig to be kind of a negative utility role use - am I alone on that one?ismore likely to kill a Town, but so is by day-elims. Vigilante is essentially a town-controlled elim so not using it can also be seen as negative utility, again from my own standards.
I said this :'cIn post 67, Dwlee99 wrote:Shooting gives us two chances to get an extra town-controlled kill, so it's good
What do you mean another one? We get the day-elim and the night-elim. We don't get more than that no?In post 69, Dwlee99 wrote:Did you mention that we can get an extra one though
Cause if you're on odds and you only get one shot it isn't another town controlled kill cause you use an elimination
You also get conftown though in a closed which is good
Is this a joke?In post 73, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay let's no lim
VOTE: No Lim
After all, we are more likey to kill scum than town here
We use "elimination" here mainly iirc.In post 81, UglyDuck wrote:Difference between the vig shot and a lynch (are we still using lynch on this site here? sorry if not) is that it forces people to cast a vote. They are both more likely to find Town on Day 1/Night 1, but with the vig kill... it is just what that person thought, and they are confirmed town on flip so it gives us no re read potential. A mislynch otoh, especially on day 1, can be extremely valuable.In post 74, Dwlee99 wrote:Town than scum*
Shush oldieIn post 84, Ythan wrote:2021 and we're talking about how vigs work.
Ummmm, please do not make this type of read on me because it's not true. Maybe my last few scum games from the site has me not active, but my scum games are my most active games, period. Compared to my Town games.In post 123, AliceK wrote:He just doesn't have games where he was active as scum. Maybe he doesn't like playing scum and replace out when he roll it.In post 122, fua wrote:Activity doesn’t necessarily equate to towniness.In post 121, AliceK wrote:Based on fact that Jackson is active and didn't get prodded or replaced out he is very likely Town.
I don't want to get pocketed here, mind explaining this?In post 133, Andresvmb wrote:JacksonVirgo is also probably Town in my mind. That one is early though.
u wot, nothings happened.In post 151, fua wrote:I actually agree with the Mozamis wagon, and I think Jackson is suspicious for similar reasons given his most prevalent discussion of the game thus far has been vigilante mechanics without scumhunting whatsoever. They're my top two scumreads, but I'm not going to vote there until Ugly answers my question.
I never suggested vig to shoot the claim. I normally would but not in this setupIn post 185, Aaron wrote:*click*
Slide 3. Jacksonvirgo is a pinch suspicious. Why should vig shoot a meme claim? Yes sir. I haven't considered that .. it could be that Not Mafia was fishing for a cc but that is a little ridiculous. Mhm.
Uglyduck mentioned not having vig shoot. I've thought about it and disagree. Mhm. Yeah of course there are some benefits but I think before there are actual risks, there is no reason to hold back.
No elim? Dwlee has a nice frog hat though. Alright thank you sir.
*click*
Pocket acceptedIn post 249, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:This feels slippy, like when you're posting what you're thinking but it betrays a scum perspectiveIn post 99, fua wrote:I’m contributing my fair share. Don’t look at me.
VOTE: fua
JV's saying what I'm thinking but he said it in real time already so very +town there
U wotIn post 274, AliceK wrote:That sounds more like scum Jackson.In post 271, JacksonVirgo wrote:Apologies for not posting much. Haven't got much time between work and getting the first dose of the vaccine today.
I literally explained my situation dumbassIn post 281, fua wrote:Actually.
VOTE: Jackson for contributing nothing beyond the occasional commentary on posts directed towards him.
I pop in whenever I am able to pop in and usually that's just at the bus stop or right before going to bed , I am not going to stop work midshift to check a fuckin' forum game.In post 310, fua wrote:And yet you still have time to pop in and make witty remarks every time you get shaded...In post 308, JacksonVirgo wrote:I literally explained my situation dumbassIn post 281, fua wrote:Actually.
VOTE: Jackson for contributing nothing beyond the occasional commentary on posts directed towards him.
I did make a joke about a pocket or whatnot about this post but in seriousness I think this style of a read they made is very similar to how I try to read early-on as Town so I'll give this a townpass.In post 249, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:This feels slippy, like when you're posting what you're thinking but it betrays a scum perspectiveIn post 99, fua wrote:I’m contributing my fair share. Don’t look at me.
VOTE: fua
JV's saying what I'm thinking but he said it in real time already so very +town there
All I remember is possibly playing with them, that's all I am going off.In post 411, RCEnigma wrote:Jackson the game you played with Alice was Town!Alice I'm assuming? Was meta a part of their game there?
Scum is more likely to post readlists than Town like this as it's content without actual contentIn post 408, fua wrote:Reads:
Town:
Dwlee
N_M
UglyDuck
Townlean:
Alice
Ythan and Iluvythan? Not sure about these slots.
StD
Null:
A50
Jackson
Andres
Scumlean:
RC
Aaron
Three
Lockscum:
Kyoko
There.
Oh my, what an elegant comeback to my shade. Serious O.OIn post 417, fua wrote:Do you disagree with any placements? What do you need clarification on?In post 415, JacksonVirgo wrote:Scum is more likely to post readlists than Town like this as it's content without actual contentIn post 408, fua wrote:Reads:
Town:
Dwlee
N_M
UglyDuck
Townlean:
Alice
Ythan and Iluvythan? Not sure about these slots.
StD
Null:
A50
Jackson
Andres
Scumlean:
RC
Aaron
Three
Lockscum:
Kyoko
There.
That doesn't inherit a lock-scum status though, not by a longshot. By saying it so, it's inherently discrediting the slot in a sense.In post 421, fua wrote:How should I have responded?
My Kyoko read is pretty simple. It feels like they're widening the lim pool by casting suspicion only on the easy slots (Myself, Dwlee, Not_Mafia) without actually providing any reads of their own beyond 'this looks town' or 'this doesn't look town', which is strange and doesn't feel like an attempt to solve so much as them already knowing peoples' alignments ahead of time. I really want this slot in particular to die.
N_M's alignment will be revealed anyway, and he claimed vigilante so I'm inclined to believe he either is vigilante or a VT trying to bait the NK, which are both town. If he's still alive later into the game he should probably be checked out.
And on second thought, I think both instances of the mozamis slot trying to pocket/TR me with flimsy reasoning is actually scum-indicative? Obviously I'm notthatwidely townread to begin with so it feels like they know my actual alignment and want to avoid detection by having the most active player on their side.
Lockscum is most definitely the wrong word. Also you should never place people on a readlist differently because you don't want too many people in a bracket, that defeats the whole purpose of a readlist and makes it overly fabricated.In post 427, fua wrote:Eh. They're the one I'm most confident is scum, and since they're not going to pop in to change that opinion today, that's my view on them. Maybe lockscum is the wrong word.
That makes sense, but I don't want to put EVERYONE in null-scum and N_M is easier to deal with if you assume he's town right off the bat. This is also kind of similar to his town play anyway. I'd be willing to put him down to townlean but not null just yet unless we get deeper into the game. Give me a bit and I'll find quotes.
It could also be that both of the "instances" (as you put it) of their slot just town read you.In post 429, fua wrote:(In response to me pointing out people aren't participating in RVS, which is pretty weak reasoning.)In post 41, mozamis wrote:wow normally these large games are mental, this is really quiet.
fua prvisional town read for his good spot about people posting without voting.
There are a few more posts about why he townreads me, but it's not enough for me to put him deeper within the scumleans. Just that I don't have a very great feeling about that particular thought process. If we start running low on time I'll vote him though.In post 361, RCEnigma wrote:I'm going back and forth on Aaron/Jackson both just being town or being partners. Fua's read there is probably town indicative regardless of those two slots alignment.
The elimination pool being too large isn't necessarily a bad thing, as if it's small it has less chance of actually having scum in it, especially early-game when we have barely any mechanical information. Mid to late game you should start to focus on shrinking that pool, but definitely not throwing people in the TR just because they'll be sorted later, that's asking to get cucked in the ass.In post 432, fua wrote:Fair point. I'm just not the type of player who likes bloating the lim pool because that helps scum. Generally my way of going about it is to decide to townread players and make up my mind early on so I can just get on with checking out the players I'm more suspicious of without second-guessing myself all the time.
And that's a little confusing to me? Especially because nobody else is really putting me above null. Again, RC isn't my top choice here, but I'm not super opposed to limming him to the point where I'd stick my neck out or anything.
To anybody that needs clarification on this, they used a psychological tactic that essentially uno reverses a negative "attack" into one that makes them look better.In post 421, fua wrote:How should I have responded?
I scum-lean their slot for this fwiw, not because they did it terribly but because it was so perfect it's hard to think it happened accidentally. Take it as a complimentIn post 434, JacksonVirgo wrote:To anybody that needs clarification on this, they used a psychological tactic that essentially uno reverses a negative "attack" into one that makes them look better.In post 421, fua wrote:How should I have responded?
In this specific example, I called them out for having a read-list which is inherently content without the content. Instead of actually defneding themselves, they instead make themselves look better by NOT addressing that fact but instead "proving" that they aren't contentless by asking for clarification or if I disagreed.
This was so seamless it blew my mind, and it makes me cautious around their slot.
Natural sociopath ey?In post 436, Dwlee99 wrote:I think that's how I always respond to that stuff hmm
I don't believe that for a second lmaoIn post 438, fua wrote:It was beginner’s luck.
Just because it's flawed does not mean it's scummy.In post 456, fua wrote:They’re obviously scumming though. No townie would ever use their thought process to catch scum because it’s such an inherently flawed mindset to go about things with.
Quit the shade, it's baseless.In post 459, fua wrote:Their most recent post against me says ‘I didn’t read why Fua called me scum and I ignored it, but them saying a joke in response to Jackson’s statement means that they’re claiming scum in public’.
Scumread me too then because I followed that train of thought as well, up until you claimed PR,, which by all means could still have you scum but that's doubtful. What have they done that's particularly scummy rather than lacklustre as a town?In post 459, fua wrote: Unless you think I’m dumb enough to openly admit that I’m scum and have no self control when it comes to my thought process whatsoever than that is the completely wrong approach to reading me. Keep in mind that they’ve been doing nothing but handing out town or scumreads with no basis and putting sus on the easy targets (Me, Dwlee, N_M). If they aren’t scum they’re incredibly anti-town.
How does it clear these? I don't think Dwee or RCE is scum anyway, so the flip is useless. I doubt it clears N_M at all.In post 460, fua wrote:Also if Kyoko is scum it clears Dwlee, N_M, and potentially RCE whereas Andres is a low-info flip.
No, youIn post 463, fua wrote:I’m not even shading, I’m just paraphrasing what they said.
And I know you follow that train of thought, because you’re not respecting me as a player or considering my point of view. And I just told you how their mindset and approach to pushing me is scummy and grasping at straws.
Anyway, you’ll see when I die tonight regardless that I’m telling the truth.
I think you're taking what's being said completely wrong.In post 466, fua wrote:You literally just admitted that you were following the mindset of thinking I’m stupid enough to openly claim scum and have no filter or self control at all, so I should scumread you for the same reason I scumread Kyoko?
And scum wouldn’t kill meif I didn’t claim, since prior to this I was such easy miselim bait while Kyoko wasn’t getting any traction whatsoever.
I’m not going to argue with you. Vote Andre if you want, but Kyoko is obvscum.
Sure, but is that why you're just ignoring what doesn't fit your thoughts? That's blind tunnellingIn post 467, fua wrote:Like. You can see how this is frustrating for me right?
What points do you feel I am ignoring, as I feel I've been responding to yours, apologies if this is the case.In post 471, fua wrote:I don’t know. On my end it feels like I’ve been trying to be patient and reasonable but then you change the subject immediately without addressing my points. I think it’d be best if we both took a moment and stepped away to clear our heads and look at the bigger picture/calm down.
You don't want to actually talk about the content that's just happened? Just useless self-image stuff?In post 477, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm sad because I knew Fua was pr and if they weren't night killed I could have been like "I kill Fua for being a PR but I didn't so I'm town"