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sup

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Datisi I'm proud of u for following my patented "reading MT" method

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reads would be hard to give when I've read approx 0 of the game

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o shit

wait how do I delete a post it's been ages since I was here

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once I have like a vague sense of what is happening, yes

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do u wanna give me the cliff notes rundown of gamestate?

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hi ydra

also that is

profoundly not helpful but ok, is there any part of the game that stood out so far competing wagons/big fight etc?

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hi

read the vcs go from
there

reading VCs so boring and takes long time tho

hi ausuka, hi frog

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hi

read the vcs go from
there

reading VCs so boring and takes long time tho

hi ausuka, hi frog

Do it

hi mena

uh, CSF is even night vig, dats is cleared by scamper

I would iso S_S and fire?

datisi was the one person I thought was town anyway, sadge

okay, ty for the jumping off point

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maybe fire is scum for having less than a 4 page iso in a 231 page game is my initial thought

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datisi was the one person I thought was town anyway, sadge

why

5358 mostly then followed up in 5399

it just seems so unnecessary to me to reference something I'd said months ago as part of bussing MT

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Nero only town if he's trying to kill me

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S_S prob town tbh

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actually yea S_S is just town I think

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actually yea S_S is just town I think

explain

No don't do that I will be sad

I can't ydrasse I don't wanna make ausuka sadge

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I have skimmed some and read some of fire's iso and would be down to kill him

VOTE: fire

actually yea S_S is just town I think

explain

No don't do that I will be sad

I can't ydrasse I don't wanna make ausuka sadge

i’m sad if you don’t explain

pick

fiiiine

ngl, S_S is really hard to read for me in ISO and there's not enough there for me to feel confident on him HOWEVER what I hadn't noticed is that he repped into fb's slot which is a fairly read

fb was lowkey nowhere near excited enough about the game (esp in a Pl that he likes and knows people in) to be scum, it's just a couple of jokes and a lot of bland and then I assume he repped out

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Don't worry Mena I already know you're scum with SS

I would never rep in and openly defend a buddy while both of us were in danger, that's preposterous!

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i appreciate my emotions being validated over ausuka’s but i don’t find that really exonerating for the slot

it's because I've secretly resented ausuka for the last 3 years bc she modded my first ever game on mafiascum(dot)net and failed to warn me that I would be trapped here thereafter

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hi scamper

afaik redirector is not a normal role so I have no explanation beyond this being a gambit

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no, I don't see how?

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I am but a lowly VT

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I am v confused

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I still think it has to be a gambit unless they've reworked normals while I've been gone

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hence why I'm not yelling at scamper about game throwing

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I'm not scum tho

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that was meant to be @shea but S_S snookered me

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My interpretation of this situation is that there is almost no way for Mena to be town

I mean yes. The question I'm currently grappling with is whether scamper/Mena is S/S.

that makes literally 0 sense

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I am a fool and a sucker

it's okay we can still be friends

just come on and sit in my pocket

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because it was (somewhat ill thought out) reaction test obviously

Nah, that's reasonable. But I guess yeah it doesn't really accomplish much if scum-Mena knows his slot already claimed.

wait my slot had already claimed lol

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T3 made this game as a reaction test

Also we can be friends I guess Mena I feel like your response was probably town

If you betray me I will cry

I would never, I am the towniest lil townboi there is

hence why I'm not yelling at scamper about game throwing

This is a scum response.

hang on, explain this

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it would be funny if mena were a mafia doctor

haha

so funny haha good jokes lol


could never be me

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fb was lowkey nowhere near excited enough about the game (esp in a Pl that he likes and knows people in) to be scum, it's just a couple of jokes and a lot of bland and then I assume he repped out

have you ever actually played with scum-firebringer to know this? i know it's a popular joke, but still

I've seen him in scum games and I'm pretty sure that after my first hiatus he was scum in a game that skitter and S_S (and lowkey maybe you?) were also in, and while I think town won I think he was convincingly a lot more engaged for a long time than he normally is as town

T3 made this game as a reaction test

Also we can be friends I guess Mena I feel like your response was probably town

If you betray me I will cry

I would never, I am the towniest lil townboi there is

hence why I'm not yelling at scamper about game throwing

This is a scum response.

hang on, explain this

I've seen the "I don't know why you're doing this town but you must have a good reason so I'm not accusing you of game throwing" response way more from scum than town. I feel like town has more of an inclination to get immediately angry whereas scum tries to remain calm and try to figure a way out. Shrug.

Specifically the verbiage "this is weird you're not throwing" to me comes from scum way more often then town in these spots, just as a personal experience sort of thing.

firstly, I am trying to turn over a new, chilled out leaf and to continue on my path to tranquility

secondly, this initially pinged me as v performative seeing as I was basically 100% dead there as scum and so calling out anything I said as "scummy" seemed redundant if you were legitimately convinced I was. idk how scum!me would be figuring out a way out there and so I couldn't see how you would think that's what I was doing, but if it's more that just the non-angry vibe was reminiscent of prior scum reactions I suppose that makes sense

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what is acnh

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animal crossing.

oh gotcha

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fb was lowkey nowhere near excited enough about the game (esp in a Pl that he likes and knows people in) to be scum, it's just a couple of jokes and a lot of bland and then I assume he repped out

have you ever actually played with scum-firebringer to know this? i know it's a popular joke, but still

I've seen him in scum games and I'm pretty sure that after my first hiatus he was scum in a game that skitter and S_S (and lowkey maybe you?) were also in, and while I think town won I think he was convincingly a lot more engaged for a long time than he normally is as town

T3 made this game as a reaction test

Also we can be friends I guess Mena I feel like your response was probably town

If you betray me I will cry

I would never, I am the towniest lil townboi there is

hence why I'm not yelling at scamper about game throwing

This is a scum response.

hang on, explain this

I've seen the "I don't know why you're doing this town but you must have a good reason so I'm not accusing you of game throwing" response way more from scum than town. I feel like town has more of an inclination to get immediately angry whereas scum tries to remain calm and try to figure a way out. Shrug.

Specifically the verbiage "this is weird you're not throwing" to me comes from scum way more often then town in these spots, just as a personal experience sort of thing.

firstly, I am trying to turn over a new, chilled out leaf and to continue on my path to tranquility

secondly, this initially pinged me as v performative seeing as I was basically 100% dead there as scum and so calling out anything I said as "scummy" seemed redundant if you were legitimately convinced I was. idk how scum!me would be figuring out a way out there and so I couldn't see how you would think that's what I was doing, but if it's more that just the non-angry vibe was reminiscent of prior scum reactions I suppose that makes sense

I didn't have a particular reason when I did the thing, I was reacting. I saw a bunch of posts in the pedit of the iso dive I did on frogsterking, said "eh, those are probably just nonsense." and then came into the thread to see shit raining down from the sky. Then I reacted to that shit.

I think that post would really only be performative in the way you're suggesting if we're buddies though. Like if you're town and I'm scum why would I make that post?

because ironically I think that when scum are ~around~ at the time that someone is getting wagoned and they don't wanna duck thread I've often seen them go for statements like "this is a scum claim" "this always comes from scum" "this is a scum reaction" to have some involvement in the shindig and I guess sometimes to play into looking like they're uninformed?

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I've seen him in scum games and I'm pretty sure that after my first hiatus he was scum in a game that skitter and S_S (and lowkey maybe you?) were also in, and while I think town won I think he was convincingly a lot more engaged for a long time than he normally is as town

oh shit yes i was there, that's right

ok i kinda skimmed his iso there

and i do say that he was more involved there than here

however, that game still feels like much less involvement for him than holiday dance party was, and firebringer was my strongest townread in holiday dance party

so overall i deem the fact he's not present a lot Not Clearing - especially as he claimed to have been busy during d1

I take it he was town in holiday dance party?

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Yo, sorry, I’ve been really busy and got ill and completely forgot this game existed

This is just a check in to say I’m still here, I will be around more later

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you...replaced into a game and immediately forgot it existed?

Yea, it’s not exactly like mafia has been much of my routine lately and frankly of the things that I need to do it’s the bottom of the priority list

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I hope you get better soon mena and you can get some rest

I hope you can play soon but like recovering is more important obvs

Head has finally cleared overnight so I’m able to actually focus again, thanks Ausuka

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Hi Menalque

Sup deas

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I've tried telling Menalque to claim odd-night friendly neighbour but he doesn't want to

Dude I keep telling you that they’re not just gonna let me get away with retracting my VT claim like that omg

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Anyway, I’m not sure I like GL’s progression into voting me after thinking I’m likely town and seems like he’s kinda transitioning onto one of the easiest elims as I became more viable due to inactivity

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odd-night vanilla townie

mena have u had the chance to, like, read stuff yet

I’m working on it a bit now, currently trying to get through from when I last posted to current moment + ISOs of anything I find interesting

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Which would, you know, be easier if frog could stop repeating himself endlessly while fakeclaiming results

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menalque waiting room

in other news, i may or may not have an even stronger townread on frogsterking now for the last few posts. as much as they are very unpleasant to read and play with, they show conviction that i struggle to think scum-frogs shows.

Annoyingly probably correct analysis

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1) If Menalque isn't posting because he got sick, why did he also say he's been busy and forgot about the game in 6855? That implies he doesn't feel being sick is a sufficient justification for his level of activity and that his sickness isn't severe enough to impair any of his other regular activities.

2) If Menalque isn't solving because he's too sick, why did he make 32 posts which make no progress toward achieving any reads or resolution toward his own understanding of the game state? Do you think he was already sick but didn't realize and was too cognitively impaired to behave like he was Town? I don't.

I posted on Wednesday my time, then I had things to do irl which are none of your business and had a busy day on Thursday. Friday morning I woke up with a cold and also had to work, at which point game was thoroughly out of my mind.

For point 2 I literally gave a read and started pushing for it within my first 13 posts of being in game, and if my other posts were less focused on what had happened before maybe that had more to do with being reaction tested by a fake guilty than due to a lack of willingness to solve.

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Datisi I'm proud of u for following my patented "reading MT" method

reads would be hard to give when I've read approx 0 of the game

I do also think this was weird

ok I think I'm talking myself back into Mena
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@menalque please explain how these two quotes can coexist

First thing I did when I logged in was ego search “mena” and this was top result. So I read the post, saw that MT flipped scum, and then saw that T3 was searching for a rep in. Checked the PL, looked good, replaced in

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datisi was the one person I thought was town anyway, sadge

why

5358 mostly then followed up in 5399

it just seems so unnecessary to me to reference something I'd said months ago as part of bussing MT

wait why does this give you a townread on datisi but you vote me when i was the one who brought it up originally

i mean i don't really think it should be a reason to townread either of us but it seems inconsistent

i was thinking about this and like

my vote put morning tweet at y-2, at the time when it was pretty much inevitable that she was going to die

in what fucking universe do i get townpoints for fluffing up my bus against her, when i only voted when it was inevitable it was happening lmfao

and address this pls

bc fire wasn’t voting MT at the time he was voting DV, he mentioned it in passing and then immediately said he’d be down to vote S_S

That to me is quite distinct to “had thought then followed up on thought and voted there”

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DV, you still around? I’ve browsed your ISO but I don’t rly understand your preference for an S_S lim

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Anyway, I’m not sure I like GL’s progression into voting me after thinking I’m likely town and seems like he’s kinda transitioning onto one of the easiest elims as I became more viable due to inactivity

Why do you think scum!me would choose to do that instead of staying on Smart?

I’m not sure, I don’t really know how you play scum but I’m not sure how much you would prioritise having consistent reads vs just getting town yeeted

If you didn’t think it would draw attention onto you I can see scum!lion just going for the easiest option

But I guess mostly I don’t really get some of your progression — hang on, I’ll pull quotes

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Frog what do you think about the idea that Menalque appeared to genuinely not know that his slot had already claimed VT

do you think that Menalque did know this and was bluffing/lying
or do you think he got lucky with the exact same fakeclaim

cause if he's scum it has to be one or the other and neither feels correct to me, especially since other players have expressed similar doubts that he was aware of obscure's VT claim

town: {Nero, Ausuka, Datisi, Scamper, CSF}
eh, maybe there's a scum in here, but probably not: {Ydrasse, DV, Dann, Frog}
don't want to lim today but wouldn't be totally surprised: {fireisred, Mena}
would lim: {Smart, TSQ}

I think the more I look at other slots the more TSQ scum actually makes sense? I dunno I'm hesitant to push it unless the appointed town leaders wanna go there cause if it's wrong it feels more likely to be damaging to town win than a Smart flip, but my current worldview doesn't have a lot of room for scum and fire/Mena have both made townie feeling posts today imo

VOTE: Something_Smart

do you think that Menalque did know this and was bluffing/lying

what is difficult to imagine about this

i don't think it's very unlikely that either (1) scum!mena did a quick iso of the slot he replaced in, (2) scum!mena got told in the scum pt that his slot claimed vt

and lying about it is very easy to do

and considering i know you're aware of scum!mena's caliber, i am Skeptical that you somehow think this is town-indicative for him?

eh for me it was just the timing of the way he acted like he forgot/didn't know the slot claimed, I'm not saying making the correct VT claim in and of itself is town-indicative, rather the execution of how he carried out that whole sequence of real time interaction with scamper

if he's scum it was very smooth, like I guess I just disagree with you that making the sequence of posts 5803, 5807, 5809, 5813, 5817, 5818, 5842, 5851 in real time over the span of 15-20 minutes is "very easy" to do

I haven't been scum in a year+ so maybe I'm overestimating the difficulty but idk I'd be anxious making all those posts and I don't sense any anxiety in them

ok fine - how well do you think you can read mena

I would say, better than I can read most people. I recall one game, cursed though it was, where I was pretty much the only person to (correctly) call out Mena as scum. Of course I was not in a position to convince anyone, but when am I ever?

That's honestly the main thing that's making me feel this way, so I don't know how accurate it is. But I don't think I've played with scum-Mena many other times (and I can't recall ever confidently and incorrectly scumreading him), so I guess I have an okay read rate historically.

like, in my mind, S_S is the titan of doubting reads, not putting too much weight on things that aren't AI, not being sure of his own play or others

but all of the sudden he's like "yeah I correctly scumread Mena one time so I have an okay read rate historically"?

...I mean, did I use "historically" wrong? My read rate on him in past games has been better than chance. It's very rare that I'm the only person in a game to confidently scumread someone, so it's pretty noteworthy to me when I do that and am correct.

I'm being unfair and conflating two ideas

I can buy that a) you believe you have a decent read rate historically

I can't buy that b) you think you have enough data in this game to have a firm read on him

but I'm realizing just because you said a) doesn't mean you've actually said b) at any point and the question you were responding to was more directly about a)

so I think I'm wrong on this point

Datisi I'm proud of u for following my patented "reading MT" method

reads would be hard to give when I've read approx 0 of the game

I do also think this was weird

ok I think I'm talking myself back into Mena
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Like this felt a bit jarring, and sure admittedly I haven’t been around but given our history etc I kinda would’ve expected you to ask me (à la Datisi) for further clarification here especially given that you’d expressed a lack of desire to lim me before and were actively pointing out things that were bothering your re:S_S right beforehand

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DV, you still around? I’ve browsed your ISO but I don’t rly understand your preference for an S_S lim

Only for a little bit longer, but my scumread on S_S does not come from deep analysis.

My main reasons are that I think he was trying to keep the option of my elimination open Day 2 whilst there was indecision regarding the Gamma/MT slot, without

looking

like he was hoping for my elimination.
The play D3 is also just... flat. And incongruous with the hero Nero vote and trying to sell that as something scum-him wouldn't do. It feels more performative than actually trying to work reads out. Why isn't he working out whether I'm scum or not? After he seemed so open to that idea yesterday?

Also everyone else I can convince myself into finding a reason for them to be town. I can't with S_S

Okay, let me go back and reread his D2 play for that, but I still really don’t think that fb plays this way, in this PL, and then reps out if he got scum

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DV, you still around? I’ve browsed your ISO but I don’t rly understand your preference for an S_S lim

Only for a little bit longer, but my scumread on S_S does not come from deep analysis.

My main reasons are that I think he was trying to keep the option of my elimination open Day 2 whilst there was indecision regarding the Gamma/MT slot, without

looking

like he was hoping for my elimination.
The play D3 is also just... flat. And incongruous with the hero Nero vote and trying to sell that as something scum-him wouldn't do. It feels more performative than actually trying to work reads out. Why isn't he working out whether I'm scum or not? After he seemed so open to that idea yesterday?

Also everyone else I can convince myself into finding a reason for them to be town. I can't with S_S

Okay, let me go back and reread his D2 play for that, but I still really don’t think that fb plays this way, in this PL, and then reps out if he got scum

What would be so different for fb about being scum in this playerlist vs. town?

Oh, I think fb ~generally~ when scum = having more fun, seems like is enjoying game etc. This is amplified imo if it’s people he likes playing with, and I think there’s enough old hands here who I’m p sure he gets along decently with (like sure there’s no MariaR or RC who I remember him particularly liking) but I would expect him to be an order of magnitude more excited if he were scum in what, to him, would be a good PL

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Nice theater guys. Clap clap.

You’re tiresome

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Nero, you seem quite bothered by my posts. Do you think I’m scum?

probably, yes

probably, yes

Cool

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Your scumread on me seems superficial but not inauthentic

I mildly like this sequence from DV

DV seems generally pretty careful and deliberate with his posting, it could be partially for optics or it could just be his style. Aside from the sequence I quoted I didn't see a lot that deviated from "scum playing a standard solid-ish scumgame". Since there are surely other people who also fit that description, I guess he's on the chopping block for low activity?

His progression on me doesn't really make a lot of sense, it seemed like he had me as town for mild efforting when it was potentially possible to get towncred from WK'ing, and now that my wagon has collapsed he wants to keep open the option of re-starting it. Or he just happened to have weakly-justified reads that followed that pattern.

I'm guessing that #5185 and #5186 are within Dease's scum range?

I would think so. At this point scum-Deas has license to go for a risky-ish play.

As far as I can see, these are the only S_S posts on you from D2, DV and tbh I’m not seeing it?

He seems to have been fairly openly not pro-MT lim but I think this is far too little to conclude that he’s hoping it might get you limmed instead

As for why he’s not as interested in you today, that I am curious about but I have an idea of what it could be, although I’d like to see S_S respond first

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Also, @T3, numbering your VCs would be endlessly helpful (e.g. 2.1, 2.2, 2.3 etc)

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Town!
CSF
Datisi
Ausuka
scamper

Town
S_S
Frog

Idfk
Nero
Ydra
Shea
GL

Scum?
DV
Dannflor
fireisredsir

My head is hurting again and my nostrils are attempting to recreate the river Nile so I’m going to lie down but not before I leave y’all with this barebones ass readlist

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mena/lion/fire?

literal insanity, you've lost it

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I find Menalque’s townread on S_S to be very superficial, and the identification of myself and Dannflor, for example, as scumreads without any further explanation feels underdone. Keen to hear more.

I mean it was PoE'y at the time but I'm feeling increasingly good about the SR on your slot based on reaction

I’m at the stage where I think both S_S and Menalque are scummy but I don’t necessarily think they’re scum together and I don’t know how to feel about that.

I’m at the stage where I think both S_S and Menalque are scummy but I don’t necessarily think they’re scum together and I don’t know how to feel about that.

is there a particular reason u believe they are unaligned?

Menalque’s weak reasoning for townreading Firebringer feels a bit blatant for scum
who knows that Fb was scum.

I guess it’s not that unlikely, but idk. It doesn’t feeel like that’s the solve.

is my reasoning still weak when it's been proved to be correct? bc this reads to me like keeping options open to vote either S_S for what weren't good reasons anyway (again, don't think he ever did what you were saying he did, trying to keep you available when wagons were headed towards gamma/MT without being obvious, and don't really see how you read that into his posts from a fair reading of them) or for me for not having good reads, and I think you became more inclined to vote me after I put you into my scum category whereas before you didn't strike me as being all that interested

I’m planning to revisit the Dann slot as well, but Menalque’s play from yesterday stands out more to me

what, exactly, stands out about my play yesterday bar my general lack of presence ?

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also outraged that scum would kill Ydrasse before I could get a song, smh

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Jesus Christ I did not just read 3 pages about the usage of the phrase "scum equity"

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this game is in a sorry state and I know I am contributing to that but I really have no will to go anywhere until something starts coming out of the mena slot

dann I don't really get this, why didn't you have any particular interest in going somewhere before stuff started coming out of my slot?

or I guess phrased slightly differently, why was my slot key for you to understand the game state here?

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I guess ydrasse might have just had good reads?

I mean her reads were S_S/mena scum so no

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I don't really feel strongly enough on a SR yet to lead lead but we can kill deas for now

VOTE: DV

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that was also like, over 1000 posts ago Nero

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I don't really feel strongly enough on a SR yet to lead lead but we can kill deas for now

why is deas scum? other than wanting to kill both of you. i wanted to do that too

Did your eyes happen to gloss over for 7186?

Also yes but (1) I can’t murder you (apart from at night awooo) bc you’re conftown and (2) even if you weren’t, you wanting to kill me is more +town for you specifically anyway

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Yeah and? It was her reads list and it was more than just you and ss

Yeh, and as far as we know the only ones of those she was still holding to by the end were S_S/me on which she was exactly zero for two

As she didn’t post updates, we have no way of knowing if reads that she posted a full 1/7 of the game ago are still the reads she had on death

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I mean I happen to agree with wanting to kill at least 2 of the people still in there but I don’t think scum would kill ydra because she included them in a group of 6 over 1000 posts ago and I don’t think you seriously think that either, which makes posting her old readslist broadly irrelevant

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Did your eyes happen to gloss over for 7186?

i skimmed that but like the only thing i saw was "deas said my read on s_s is bad" and like i completely agree that your read on s_s was bad so idk what we're talking about here

also, the lack of "datisi and scamper are playing a 9000 IQ scum gambit" paranoia is noted

Well then read it again and also my read on S_S was correct which makes it better than about 90% of the PL who said he was scum

Also I’m not talking about that for what I think is a fairly obvious reason but which becomes more problematic if I start talking about it

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Problematic in an in-game logic sort of way, not in a general ~p r o b l e m a t i c~ sort of way

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Okay cliffnotes version, I have class soon:

(1) his reasons for SRing S_S going from D2 don’t really seem to be borne out at all when reading S_S posts — specifically that he said S_S was trying to keep him viable vs MT/gamma!slot without looking like he was doing so. Go look at S_S’ ISO for yourself, there’s like 3 posts even about DV iirc and I don’t think you could characterise any of them as “trying to keep DV available without looking like it to maybe save MT/gamma!slot”

(2) I don’t like that while he was happy to riff with me and gave a shaky sort of TR on my slot, the moment that I put him in my scum group he shifted to calling me scum and is now trying to characterise my play from yesterday as something he had issue with— only I think we can all agree I barely played yesterday and so what shifted for my play being something that merited a soft townread “when he thought about it” to being something he wants to “look at further today” or whatever the exact phrasing was when the content is all basically the same and the only thing that’s changed is that my orientation towards him went from playful->suspicious

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I mean sure, revisiting slots from other days makes sense but what makes my play "stand out" yesterday post-S_S flip? my speculation on why you would change on me from town->scum (which started pre-flip) is that if you thought being friendly might net you an ally in game state then it's beneficial to you because I think if I get mislimmed you'd be fairly shortly after me on the chopping block. if you could build a coalition/gain supporters it's 1 more vote that town needs to convince to lim you -- so idk what the benefit to scum!you is of staying town on me and scum on S_S after it became apparent that you were solidly in the pool of people I'd think about voting for

as for the second bit: yeah, sure, that's cause I'm not ~feeling~ it. I have some things that are pingy about you but I'm not that in the game yet, and right now you're the person drawing my attention bc there are things that feel off. I'm not even really campaigning for killing you atp, and I think anyone who knows me knows that me actually trying to get a lim looks v different to what I'm doing here. but people have been complaining that I'm not doing anything and I can't play unless I want to, and I only want to when there's things that ping my curiosity and make me wanna delve into the game further

on second post: uh, no, not really? I think S_S is fairly clear that he's not really pro-gamma lim on D2 and is actively calling the slot town earlier in the day, I think it's entirely relevant to look and see if in his posts I think you would reasonably have believed him to be doing what you said you thought he was doing, and I'm not really convinced which is what bothers me there. calling out context is fine I guess, but I looked at the couple of pages around that and it didn't really seem like there was a lot of bite or at least not enough for S_S extremely sparing comments to make you feel that he was stealthily trying to lim you

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mena could be lurk scum, yeah.

Can one be lurk scum when the site has been down is the new if a tree falls in a forest and no-one hears it, does it make a sound

The grand philosophical question of our time

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I’m glad to see that Nero’s approach of simply always SRing me no matter how many times he’s wrong sails on a steady course tho

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Oh, I think fb ~generally~ when scum = having more fun, seems like is enjoying game etc. This is amplified imo if it’s people he likes playing with, and I think there’s enough old hands here who I’m p sure he gets along decently with (like sure there’s no MariaR or RC who I remember him particularly liking) but I would expect him to be an order of magnitude more excited if he were scum in what, to him, would be a good PL

This is wonky to me though. Do you have reason to believe FB doesn't have fun when he's town?

Like I buy that FB generally likes playing scum and can have fun with it, but I don't see why any of this reasoning wouldn't apply to him as town either? So if his lack of enthusiasm isn't scum-indicative, I don't think it's necessarily town-indicative either, unless you have an understanding that FB doesn't like playing town. Which doesn't really vibe with my prior experience with him

Firebringer does not like playing as town but will sometimes tolerate it for the sake of playing with people he likes

This is markedly different from firebringer having actual fun

I couldn’t be bothered to quote the actual post I wanted to reply to but this is why my read on S_S!slot just = good not implausibly good, whereas all y’all just suck at reading woofbringer apparently

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I’m glad to see that Nero’s approach of simply always SRing me no matter how many times he’s wrong sails on a steady course tho

I mean, Nero will inevitably be right eventually

Sure law of averages and whatnot, however:

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I’m glad to see that Nero’s approach of simply always SRing me no matter how many times he’s wrong sails on a steady course tho

This is a weird post to make in a game where you are a consensus scum read

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you were lurky and not doing much BEFORE the site went down.

using the site shut down to defend yourself, what a stupid post.

Sure, but do you actually scumread me for being absent or are you just lazily slotting me into the default position

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Nero I have lost track of how many games we’ve played together but I’m sure it’s more than two

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Did I say nefarious at any point in time or even use words vaguely to that effect

I did not, no

Also my impression is that a lot of people were scumreading me before I came into the game rather for my play in and of itself? But ig I could be wrong on that

I actually think NC scumreading me is p much totally NAI for him as I’d expect it from either alignment

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y'all are gonna hate my cases btw bc a lot of them revolve around mena being scum and i don't even really have reasons to scumread the slot individually

if he somehow is town then uh oops idk lol

Some would say that sounds like an incredibly convenient excuse to push me no matter what today and then to be able to back-pedal literally everything else you said tomorrow when you need a new target

Some would say, including me

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I'm p sure its only 2 unless you were on a alt

This is very possible tbf

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Literally all scum need an excuse to push me, keep up

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I guess unless any are leaning hard into the white knight angle

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Correctamundo but i haven’t really felt like reading your ISO yet and this is the first time we’ve actually talked since I joined the game meaning you’re still in my big pile of idfk for now

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I don't like either of them but I like the one on GL marginally more

I still don't think frog is scum, and if you think I'm scum then that's a mildly insane thought process to hold given that u know me -- how does it make sense that I would rep in, tell frog to bus me like hell and then not yell at him and at least make it look good

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yea yea but not while I'm logging on for like 5 mins

was there like, a specific person you wanted me to explain bc EXPLAIN YOUR READS does feel a bit like busywork to me that nobody cares enough about to actually change their minds on