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In regards to no 2. both me and Shanba are encouraging UA to selfvote. You should join us.Wickedestjr wrote:Vote: Kise
1. Random voted hiphop, then unvoted before hiphop even aknowledged the vote and doesn't random vote again.
2. Encourages hiphop to selfvote.
3. Asks for reasons to bandwagon Wraith in the RVS. Why does there need to be a reason?Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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This post is bullshit.danakillsu wrote:Well it's funny to see the reactions I got from pretending I knew UA was scum. I have played with him before, I believe. At any rate, no one as experienced as me would really pretend that they knew someone was scum in the RVS. And the fact that it's tradition to start with a bandwagon on UA should make my actions even less remarkable. Anyway, I'm glad I make it worth it to you, UA.unvoteGood to see some discussion starting.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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So in this post your jumping too conclusions. Ridiculous conclusions. JDodge stated it already, why would they conspire to vote one of them? It's some dastardly plan maybe as a sequel they might form a suicide cult and jump off buildings together, or maybe they could play the "see how much Carbon Monoxide we can get into our lungs game... It doesn't take much to realise that maybe, just maybe there is some other reason. Like maybe look at his title?danakillsu wrote:vote: UA
Something's really not right there. Either he and Shanba communicated outside this thread or UA is just doing what Shanba wants him to. Either way, it deserves explanation.
Well first, you didn't know anything. If you "knew" something then you would be scum at this stage of the game. You are bigging up your experience yet you have been caught out on page 4, especially as your join date is after UA stopped playing. You have been caught on page 4, and really, you shouldn't be bigging up your so called experience when september 2007, december 2008, may 2005, march 2007 glaring at you. It's laughable. The next line doesn't make any sense, if you know how UA plays, why wouldn't have brought attention to it, like you did, if you didn't then maybe you would react like the first quote. Which means bringing unnecessary attention to yourself, the fact you then try to deny this doesn't make any sense at all. So your speaking absolute bullshit. Nothing about your actions scream you knew what you were talking about. You have tried to make yourself look like you knew what you were doing but there is no discernible sense behind your motives. You need to choose the style your going to play and stick to it because currently you are all over the place.danakillsu wrote:Well it's funny to see the reactions I got from pretending I knew UA was scum. I have played with him before, I believe. At any rate, no one as experienced as me would really pretend that they knew someone was scum in the RVS. And the fact that it's tradition to start with a bandwagon on UA should make my actions even less remarkable. Anyway, I'm glad I make it worth it to you, UA.unvoteGood to see some discussion starting.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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Wraith wrote:Prozac, JDodge, and Furcolow make excellent cases against UA and dana especially. While I'm not totally sure about UA due to his playstyle, that last OMGUS vote sealed the deal for me against dana. However, I think we should prevent a hammer before we get enough discussion, and I'm putting it out there now that I will unvote to prevent L-1 if it comes too early for my tastes.Vote: danakillsu
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Really bad metaphor fail.Furcolow wrote:
You might not like to eat lettuce, but it is good for youPorochaz wrote:What if I don't like the way you have posted thus far and hate even more the fact that you are suggesting we do tomorrow before we are even started at all on day 1?
Really bad patronising fail.
You also haven't changed my opinion one bit.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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You are splaffing. Talking lots but saying little. Of value at least.Furcolow wrote:
You were pretty vague on your opinion of what about my posting you haven't liked, so it would be pretty hard to change anything... not like i would. i might, though, so spit it out.Porochaz wrote:
Really bad metaphor fail.Furcolow wrote:
You might not like to eat lettuce, but it is good for youPorochaz wrote:What if I don't like the way you have posted thus far and hate even more the fact that you are suggesting we do tomorrow before we are even started at all on day 1?
Really bad patronising fail.
You also haven't changed my opinion one bit.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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Hello. No opinion at all after 7 pages of pretty much content. Might not be major to you but you should be mentioning the minor things instead of giving yourself an excuse to hide in the shadows.Bunnylover wrote:Too many people all attacking each other for some reason that probably shouldn't be attacking :<.
You all gave me a headache reading these pages <_<.
I haven't gotten any reads on who could be positive scummy, so my vote can wait.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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Don't see Reck's point on this page.
Furcolow, you do realise this game only started 25 hours ago approx from my post? Your a bit nimble on the prod button.
Ninja edit, I guess you would do, and up until the point you asked, you were, since reading you have gotten better. Still up to that point you were splaffing.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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You have 7 pages to pick up on anything. Im not asking you to pick up on anything minor, Im not asking you to make a case, etc. Im just asking for your opinion on whats happening so far. Just to say "I have nothing to add" doesn't really give me much of your opinion.Bunnylover wrote:
Wasn't giving myself an excuse, I simply have nothing to add at this point, but when I do I will post, like now.Porochaz wrote:
Hello. No opinion at all after 7 pages of pretty much content. Might not be major to you but you should be mentioning the minor things instead of giving yourself an excuse to hide in the shadows.Bunnylover wrote:Too many people all attacking each other for some reason that probably shouldn't be attacking :<.
You all gave me a headache reading these pages <_<.
I haven't gotten any reads on who could be positive scummy, so my vote can wait.
I have a different way of thinking which could mean that my thought process of this could be totally off, but it seems like you want me to vote for one of the several people that are gaining the attention (Dana, UA, JDodge, etc.) of most of the group, or you want me to find some minor detail that will allow others to exploit which could mean nothing at all. There is no point in me mention minor detail unless someone wants a specific person dead or will is trying to lead some down a wrong path and stray from mafia.
Like I said I have a different way of viewing things, which could mean my entire post is wrong.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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Well I think your speaking rubbish, your posts didnt seem like RVS "fun"danakillsu wrote:@ flinter
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You know we are big boys. Do we need a reminder of how many it takes to lynch? Seem's like your getting a little jumpy.Wraith wrote:WARNING: L-2
I strongly suggest we take a look at the people defending or buddying dana before we lynch. If we do in fact mislynch I'm not confident there's enough material here to find scum Day 2.
Also, does L-2 automatically mean lynch? Looks like your settled on the Dana lynch before we've even passed the 48 hour mark.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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If a Scotsman wears underwear under his kilt, then he is not a true scotman. You've got to let the breeze flow through your giblets.Wraith wrote:UA first.
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2: offtopic
3: self-vote RVS (meta: this is his playstyle)
4: comments on self-vote
5: anti-meta comments
6: believes dana could be VI flailing
7: believes scum are lurking
8: asks clarification from JDodge
9: offtopic
10: rebuttal to JDodge
11: rebuttal o JDodge
12: rebuttal to Furcolow
13: rebuttal to Furcolow (with some fair points)
14: attack on JDodge
15: offtopic
16: offtopic
17: comments to Reckoner
18: explanation of playstyle
After doing some actual in-depth reading I fail to see anything particularly scummy about UA. As he's said, his play so far is more for attacking JDodge and his arguments than defending dana. However, his single-minded focus on what is basically a "proxy defense" is not going to work in the long run. You need to start making some real contributions.
I do have a question for UA: What exactly is the "No True Scotsman" argument you refer to?Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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I have played 60+ games, and I have a bigger penis... oh wait, I don't care.Furcolow wrote:
You joined this site when? June? You're 19? I'm not the best player in the world yet, but I am both older than you and more experienced than you when it comes to mafia. I have played in about 20+ games so far on and off site, and I have a very good win ratio if you factor in TL.@"Xite": Because, as I said, Frank could be just working really hard to get a townie lynched, as I only see newbscum doing this, I'm not sure if that's the case, but Frank does seem pretty newbishMostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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Whilst I'm drunk and being a bit of a shit, you have fucked about. Its not that you have gone "oh Im going to be wimpy on this issue" its the fact that you are actively not been useful at all. Why only focus on those 2? Hey, here's a question WHY DON'T YOU FOCUS ON SOMEONE ELSE THEM, HMMM? If neither of those 2 people aren't scum, why aren't they? You havent answered that. Who is? You haven't answered that. Are you going to make an effort to even go down a different route considering you dont agree with anything said so far. No your not going to make an effort. So now you wonder when 7 people attack you. Hey, maybe 9 people haven't posted yet, but at least they have the potential to be useful. You are clearly about as useful as a deflated balloon.Bunnylover wrote:
He . And I have commented on their agurment, saying it gave me a headache, because honestly I just found it dumb. But why only focus on those two? There is several people who have commented on other people play style, but it seem everyone who confronts me always ask why I haven't commented on them two :<. Honestly neither of those two people seem scum to me, thats my opinion on them. Now I predict about 7 people are going to attack me because I said that. If I have something to say/comment on/defend/attack or w/e I will post. Out of 24 people, I'm more then sure not all of them have posted, I am confident to say at least 15 people have posted out of 24, but yes lets focus on the guy who is posting, just not anything that is worth wild.Wickedestjr wrote:Fair enough. I like my vote for Bunny Lover though. This isn't the first time I have seen a player say that they have nothing to comment on, but this is page 11, so there's really no excuse. I'm also just shocked that she doesn't have anything to say about Dana or Furcolow.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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There is 11 pages, 266 posts, if you don't have time at the moment fair enough but really it shouldn't take you long, the 11 pages are full of excitment, anger, emotion, a love affair between Flameaxe and some eggnogfas and I stubbed my toe at about page 7 and since then Ive been getting more drunk.Robbnva wrote:hey there, replacement player here, will try and catch up fast, gotta watch my team play football tonight but after that or tomorrow I will be up to speed.
if someone can give me a quick recap of where we are at right now, that would be a big bonus for me
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No, it's not.Bunnylover wrote:
You play your way and I'll play my way .Porochaz wrote:
Whilst I'm drunk and being a bit of a shit, you have fucked about. Its not that you have gone "oh Im going to be wimpy on this issue" its the fact that you are actively not been useful at all. Why only focus on those 2? Hey, here's a question WHY DON'T YOU FOCUS ON SOMEONE ELSE THEM, HMMM? If neither of those 2 people aren't scum, why aren't they? You havent answered that. Who is? You haven't answered that. Are you going to make an effort to even go down a different route considering you dont agree with anything said so far. No your not going to make an effort. So now you wonder when 7 people attack you. Hey, maybe 9 people haven't posted yet, but at least they have the potential to be useful. You are clearly about as useful as a deflated balloon.Bunnylover wrote:
He . And I have commented on their agurment, saying it gave me a headache, because honestly I just found it dumb. But why only focus on those two? There is several people who have commented on other people play style, but it seem everyone who confronts me always ask why I haven't commented on them two :<. Honestly neither of those two people seem scum to me, thats my opinion on them. Now I predict about 7 people are going to attack me because I said that. If I have something to say/comment on/defend/attack or w/e I will post. Out of 24 people, I'm more then sure not all of them have posted, I am confident to say at least 15 people have posted out of 24, but yes lets focus on the guy who is posting, just not anything that is worth wild.Wickedestjr wrote:Fair enough. I like my vote for Bunny Lover though. This isn't the first time I have seen a player say that they have nothing to comment on, but this is page 11, so there's really no excuse. I'm also just shocked that she doesn't have anything to say about Dana or Furcolow.
Also, if Dana isn't lieing about his claim it seems my way was more right, seeing as I did not believe he was scum.
Also I don't "focus" on people because that stupid to me, it gives a chance of mafia to join in on a lynch.
Also if I said who is scum, would they not go on the defensive? Would that not allow them to protect themselves, telling them they are playing a little to risky?
Like I said in my very very first post in the game, I don't go around voting on people who are slightly scum, I vote on people who I know are scum.
You don't vote for people on minor tells. Thats fine. You don't give your opinion... at all! Thats my problem. You are not helpful.unvote vote bunnylurkerMostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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Erm What? By unvoting Im accepting the claim. By voting you, Im stating you have NOT given your opinion. If you are going to try and post at least read the thread.
So your going to ignore what just happened with Dana and with me giving my opinion. Ok, thats your way of playing.Porochaz wrote:
No, it's not.
You don't vote for people on minor tells. Thats fine. You don't give your opinion... at all! Thats my problem. You are not helpful.unvote vote bunnylurkerMostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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But lynching a claimed power role would be ridiculous as well. Put it this way we will be lynching you before we lynch him today. How would you know if he is lying? You cannot be sure. Yet you still want the lynch. That's not cool. Im currently on the fence whether I should be voting you or hiphop. I will be looking through your posts soon.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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I dont think it matters.hiphop wrote:
porochaz- i would rather do the above, unless he has other scumtells, that have not come out.UltimaAvalon wrote:
This, though I'm waiting on his reaction to my post before votingPorochaz wrote:the cop claims enough.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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Im not really getting your point. I voted him for not contributing and whilst he hasn't produced anything new at least he has produced a defence, its not much but even then I changed my vote to Frank because since my vote, Frank has become a better candidate. I still care about the hiphop case, just not as much as I care for Frank.Wickedestjr wrote:Porochaz, you voted him for not contributing. The points he defended against weren't points you listed as reasons for voting him. Also, he still hasn't contributed hardly any, so your unvote indicates to me that you don't really care.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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Oh jeez, this is going to be fun. Well, no it isn't, because your votes sucks in more than an OMGUS kinda way. You realise that although I haven't "contributed" as much as you, I have contributed more than at least half the other players so your "point" if you can call it that is worse than watching someone eating cat sick then being sick themselves and then eating the regurgitated cat sick.Furcolow wrote:Also, on the votes coming onto me, whatever. I know I'm town, and I've been attempting to post better. All you all by voting me is going to increase my spam/one liners and decrease my ability to scumhunt and be offensive because you'll be putting me on the defensive.
I'm a better candidate because you're scum seeking a mislynch, porochaz
Since dana will surely not be lynched because people are gullibleunvote
I'm going tovote porochazfor being suspicious of someone I know is town (myself!)
I guess it's OMGUS, but I really don't give a shit. Porochaz hasn't contributed at all this game in comparison to me, so he is a much better lynch than myself.
Also the "your scum because I know Im town" argument is ridiculously old and doesn't prove or disprove anything. Stop throwing a strop.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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Furcolow wrote:kill power
Ah okay, well my point still stands, there doesn't need to be multiple kill powers.Furcolow wrote:3 would be too much with 24 in a normal
2 would be just right with 5 mafia
i'm assuming as much, since i've setup games before
this could be higher or lower based on what/how many power roles we have
Here's the thing, Im betting you've set up games elsewhere, where games last maybe a fortnight if your fortunate and in a 24 player game 15 town power roles seems like a good idea. How many games have you set up on this site? How many large normal setups have you even looked at onthissite?Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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Lynch all Lurkers sucks,Wraith wrote:Also, there are what, THREE people who haven't posted yet? Anyone up for a pressure wagon on one of them? I have a strong feeling at least one of them is scum.
Wouldn't it be hilarious if the three lurkers were ALL scum, and we were town fighting amongst ourselves?
No not everyone plays the same way as me, but premature claim - basically the same as premature ejaculation.Furcolow wrote:
Because not everyone plays the same way as youPorochaz wrote:Why? You don't even have a handful of votes.
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Where is my sarcasm button? [sarcasm]Yeeeaah... your iso's are hoing waaaaaay tooo fast, and there soooo very interesting...[/sarcasm]Wraith wrote:*confusing self with thought*
I need to take a break. I'm obviously doing things too fast (ie my ISOs, which are definitely not as good as some in my previous games).
Seriously, there is no point to them and they don't help. Your just another player who is trying to show an illusion of activity but by the time you get round to another player, it's too late. Besides your at the start of a game. Do you realise how useless they are?Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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@Xite, Outguessing the mod is not a hugely useful. It brings up a whole load of wifom that isn't fun to sift through and in the end gets us nowhere. A 7 man scum group would be excessive, a 6 man one would be as well although 3 - 3 I could see. However thats beside the point. Your knowledge of roles is quite limited as well, I don't know whether that was for the purposes of argument or whatever but generally a good place to start is MBF's flash thingie or http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... zoraster_2. You will find a larger variation in roles than cop/doc/vig/rber.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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You will notice that those are proposed roles for normal games. From my knowledge of BBM, he'll more than likely be fairly adventurous, and doc/cop can be a broken mechanic. I wouldn't base your thoughts on the game from experiences IRL, apparently not very similar. Reck went to a scummers meet, recently, he could probably agree/disagree with me on that issue. In any case as I said before, whilst I do enjoy getting a bit into this, its almost always a mistake too. Anything about the setup we guess would only be just that, and its not a good road to go down.Xite91 wrote:
Considering this is a normal game, I expected very basic roles, also 6 or 7 is mathematically sound according to statistical analysis (Again, this is based on discussions IRL, and RL games so I guess it could be different online?)Porochaz wrote:@Xite, Outguessing the mod is not a hugely useful. It brings up a whole load of wifom that isn't fun to sift through and in the end gets us nowhere. A 7 man scum group would be excessive, a 6 man one would be as well although 3 - 3 I could see. However thats beside the point. Your knowledge of roles is quite limited as well, I don't know whether that was for the purposes of argument or whatever but generally a good place to start is MBF's flash thingie or http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... zoraster_2. You will find a larger variation in roles than cop/doc/vig/rber.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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There are already attacks going off around you, whilst I appreciate the effort of actually playing the game, which is actually turning into a novelty...
Wait, are you about to do the lynch me now gambit I've seen you do before? Because it's a really sucky move, it would only be your opinions only and your interactions, and if your town you are distracting us from a scum lynch. Put it this way, if we were rolling a d24 dice, and lynched the corresponding number that would be between 4/5% of catching scum. If you are town and you are looking for us to lynch you, that drops 4/5%.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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Edit from my previous post: post 393.
You don't want a Frank lynch so your going to act as scummy as possible so that we get your lynch and your going to "orchestrate" some goings on to make sure we get information. Which in actuality is just your opinions and you will be distracting us from actual scumhunting. May I remind all players in the game that we have only started this day, and although it looks like its likely to be a short one, having just had a look we still have 3 players with a confirm post and 1 more with nothing! (I think) Bandwagons still might not come of anything even if it is at L-3, L-2 etc. Thats why (going back to something earlier) claiming is a ridiculous idea unless we are at L-1.
Besides, you might not want a Frank lynch but I think it's a good vote and what gives you the right to overlord my opinion? You are entitled to your own opinion but playing in such a way, as town or scum that distracts from real scumhunting is severely anti town and you need to stop doing it.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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Here's the thing, we think Frank is scummy, but there is analysis we can still do on that based on the flip, I don't understand the arrogance that you think making us lynch you will achieve anything more, because beyond any previous reasoning your lynch will be based on you wanting people to lynch you. Especially if you announce it in thread. We will get less info than we would with Frank. Now shut up and wind your neck in.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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No, you need to stop thinking that this TERRIBLE strategy of yours is a good one. You know what throwing yourself on a grenade does. Kills you. Thats it. It makes us go. Well he essentially was a jester, except not. Nothing more. No information. Nada, Zilch, Fuck all.Wraith wrote:Ugh, then other people need to stop attacking me for supposed "buddying" before I jump on the grenade, if that's how it actually works.
Don't LYNCH Frank. VIGKILL him. That's pretty much the gist of what I'm trying to say. Frank's scumminess is just as much a distraction as my nexus strategy.
Oh and Nexus: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=NexusMostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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Well lets see, I thought dana was scum up until the cop claim, then I decided to vote bunny for activelurking, then shanba showed me hiphop, I changed my vote, both these previous two votes were mainly pressure votes, as I said before, the Lynch All Lurkers mentality is a stupid one. Then Frank made a comment which pushed him above both hiphop and bunny accordingly so I changed my vote, I was one of the first on both wagons and I explained both votes. (iso 7 for dana and 28, 30-31 for frank). As for my "reads" generally my vote is a good indication of that.Wickedestjr wrote:Wraith wrote:
It still doesn't make much sense to me. hiphop defended against another players point doesn't contribute despite you voting him for contributing, and you switch your vote. Honestly I think the only reason you switched was because you felt the attention shifting from him to Furcolow.Porochaz wrote:Im not really getting your point. I voted him for not contributing and whilst he hasn't produced anything new at least he has produced a defence, its not much but even then I changed my vote to Frank because since my vote, Frank has become a better candidate. I still care about the hiphop case, just not as much as I care for Frank.
I just skimmed Porochaz in iso, and while he has contributed, he hasn't given any of his reads despite being one of the most active in the game. Also he has been taking part in all the popular bandwagons.Furcolow wrote:Porochaz hasn't contributed at all this game in comparison to me, so he is a much better lynch than myself.Unvote. Vote: Porochaz.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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Two of them were. The other two on the main "bandwagons" were out down when there was only one person on the wagon at the time (shanba for dana, xite for frank- even then, that vote was put down before the reasons I voted frank for) so it's not really opportunistic when I am one of the first on the scene. People can agree with me and make it a bandwagon however when I went and voted, it wasn't one. Besides even if it was, would it matter? Why are they the two main bandwagons in the game? I mean the suspicions against them weren't baseless and if they were why were they bandwagons? The fact is the aim of the game is to catch scum, I have voted for two people I have suspicions against. People have agreed with the premise so have voted with me. Also, how do you know, Frank isn't scum? There is no reason to assume Frank is town at the moment. I mean, your calling me opportunistic for being on a popular wagon but there has to be a reason on why its popular.
I'm trying hard to work out your reasons for voting me, the fact that I have been on the 2 biggest bandwagons is a null argument as I explained in the paragraph above. I don't feel giving my views on the players that aren't near the top of my scum list is helpful, it just muddies the water. I think your voting me, simply because I'm voting Frank. Your arguments are false and are a misrepresentation and I'm really struggling to see your motives if your town. I think you have failed to make any compelling argument against me and you are struggling to make it stick.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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Suspicous of multiple people branching off of dana.Furcolow wrote:
All the advice I've been getting doesn't amount to shit. I still find you scummy for your behavior with dana. How have I been tunneling when I am suspicious of multiple people?UltimaAvalon wrote:@Frank: I don't remember the terminology for it, but most of your argument for your own townlieness revolves around "I know what my role PM says", and you calling everyone who says otherwise a liar for it. Not only did it bug the hell out of me the first time you did it on page 3 or so, it's just not an argument. It's not what you know that makes you a Townie (quite the opposite really, as the town is uninformed by definition), and it's not "What you can convince others", it's what you can prove through your actions. Super tunneling on Dana doesn't prove you're a townie. Ranting, raving lunacy, or "splaffing", doesn't prove you're a townie. Refusal to act in a Pro-town manner, especially when advised by several town-ish players on how to do so, doesn't prove you're a townie.
Im sure I say this every single game:
OK, dispute this fact: As scum I do nothing more than simply make one linersXite91 wrote:Okay, Useful ISO time!!!
All post numbers are ISO numbers
8) Is the 6th person to jump on the wagon, perty terrible reasoning IMO
9) Just read this post and you'll understand
10-15) Attacking Dana hardcore, because the rest of the town has been pushing him, he does too so he blends in, only problem is that he went too far with it
16) Here's two point UA makes that are just too valid not to be buddying...
19) Another good read
21) Already pointed out why this one was scummy... someone even called it "searching the thread" But when it's just staring you in the eye, it's not searching the thread, it's seeing scummy things and calling them out
23) This is like the bajillionth time I've seen him just throw a mafia term out there, usually a scumtrait. (This has a lot to do with how psychics work, they use certain buzzwords, and then people find a way it relates, and then go, OMG you're so amazing, there must be something there)
24) I lol'd so hard. Oh, you're making points against me? Well too bad, lalalalalalala not listening!!!!!
Not even touching 25-33
34) LOL. my case means nothing because of my age. That's a good one. I'm pretty sure a 4 year old would hear what you were saying and say you were the "bad guy" Age has nothing to do with it.
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That's his next response. I make a case and he doesn't try to dispute it, instead he tries to discredit it, another scum traitFurcolow wrote:and if i'm your top suspect, we are obviously not reading the same game
36) Another good read
Again, not even touching 37-40
41) More AtE
Here, I'l even show you
Oh yeah and there's also that one term, Ad hom was it?Furcolow wrote:Let's vote the two people who are posting like town on this page you gaiz! I AM SO GOOD AT MAFIA. I would vote you, but I am not petty nor an idiot like you apparently are if those are your top 2 suspicions.
you are also close-minded if you think that it is impossible to lynch someone for a fakeclaim, which is obviously a fakeclaim, due to a shitty ass breadcrumb
you make me sick
Yeah, that's in there too, which according to him is a great reason to vote, proof later down.
42) I love you Mod
44) MOOOOOOORE AtE. Whatever guys, lynch me, my life is a black abyss.
47) I love how all of his suspects are the ones that attacked him
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And there's your proofFurcolow wrote:xite, stop the ad hom right now
vote: xite
51) Another good read!
52) I can't stop laughing when I see this.
54-57 too ^
and I'm not doing that this game
so therefore I am not scum
If you know your meta, you can change your meta. So your defence of that whole post amounts to null. Never use self meta to defend yourself as it just makes you look more scummy.
Im glad you quoted all of this just to post two words on it. Trying to word out which definition of chainsaw you mean but even then I'm also wondering if you know what chainsaw means.
Chainsaw notedBenmage wrote:xRECKONERx wrote:Benmage needs rope, probably.
In my younger days I've gone quite berserk being strung up on what I felt were incorrect reasonings..(as town)Furcolow wrote: You already are insane. I would be going insane if I was scum at L-2 or L-1 too.
Furcolow wrote: You're 19?Furcolow wrote:I'm not the best player in the world yet, but I am both older than you and more experienced than you when it comes to mafia.
You're older than me. Yet I am much more experienced than you, and arguably the best player in the world. This is the second time I am reading this 19 pathetic thing. If she was much younger and still developing congitive thinking and playing poorly.....maybe...But not called out by someone as lowly as you. Why don't you argue something like she's female and has worse analytical capacity....that'll sell .
Deflection noted.Bunnylover wrote: I was saying that I don't see why I am getting confronted for "lurking" when their are several more people who haven't posted and yet no one has called them out for "lurking".
Win.Porochaz wrote: I have played 60+ games, and I have a bigger penis... oh wait, I don't care.
On pg 12 =/….Trying here. But its zooming. Been busy irl. And theres little motivation in reading this game when everytime I come back a few more pages spring up. Although with the lessening spam spat from furc/dana its becoming more bearable.
Iso flame says not hammering….moar votes.Vote Frank. This guy is terrible.
Oh good, the old "Im-town-because-my-role-pm-told-me-so" defence. Again.
I'll tell you why - There are a ton of scum on it because I'm suspicious of them. They want me dead. I get killed night 1 by scum too much to not believe I am someone they actually want to kill (because my reads are good, to be honest). I don't see why they do, though, when they can just get me mislynched on some bullshit. no-case-whatsoever. I am an innocent man, and I have not been proven guilty, so this is very childish to lynch me and isn't the proper play for the town whatsoever, but it's better than us losing our medic.Porochaz wrote:Two of them were. The other two on the main "bandwagons" were out down when there was only one person on the wagon at the time (shanba for dana, xite for frank- even then, that vote was put down before the reasons I voted frank for) so it's not really opportunistic when I am one of the first on the scene. People can agree with me and make it a bandwagon however when I went and voted, it wasn't one. Besides even if it was, would it matter? Why are they the two main bandwagons in the game? I mean the suspicions against them weren't baseless and if they were why were they bandwagons? The fact is the aim of the game is to catch scum, I have voted for two people I have suspicions against. People have agreed with the premise so have voted with me. Also, how do you know, Frank isn't scum? There is no reason to assume Frank is town at the moment. I mean, your calling me opportunistic for being on a popular wagon butthere has to be a reason on why its popular.
I'm trying hard to work out your reasons for voting me, the fact that I have been on the 2 biggest bandwagons is a null argument as I explained in the paragraph above. I don't feel giving my views on the players that aren't near the top of my scum list is helpful, it just muddies the water. I think your voting me, simply because I'm voting Frank. Your arguments are false and are a misrepresentation and I'm really struggling to see your motives if your town. I think you have failed to make any compelling argument against me and you are struggling to make it stick.
No there doesn't.
I didn't bring up multiple scum groups, learn to read. I said that they should have multiple kills in the night if this is balanced properly.UltimaAvalon wrote:Wait a minute. Was Frank the first one to bring up multiple scum groups? On Day 1? Why is he not dead yet?
The lynching the claimed cop day 1, the arrogance, the Im town, plleeeeeeeeeeease believe me defence, the self meta.
Over a scum-OMGUS you put onto me, with 0 case whatsoever, other than you strawmanning half of my case onto you and trying to twist my words into lies.danakillsu wrote:I don't know why Frank isn't dead yet! I've been trying to get him lynched for forever...
I don't think there is any grey area about it. If your constantly getting mislynched as town, its time to improve your game.
Well, I manage to get mislynched enough as town, and this game is going to be the same it seems. I must be in that grey area, really need to tighten my game up.UltimaAvalon wrote:No. TRYING to look Town is what makes you looks scummy, because Scum HAVE to act like Town in order to live. If you're Town, you only have to not look like Scum. And there is a lot of grey in between these two concepts
1. You think he's town. 2. and 3. No reasons, just survival tactics. 4.I'm going tovote: hiphopfor these reasons:
1) because I thought he was protown, and I'm an idiot, so I'm going to try something new (the opposite of what frank would normally do theory!)
2) because he has a lot of votes
3) because I have a lot of votes
4) because I know my role, and I don't know his
Like voting for someone you actually find scummy, noooo, that wouldn't be a good idea and a townie thing to do at all...I know I said that he looked like town, and that looks ugly, but I'm going to have to deal with that.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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WIFOMilicous. You are going into ifs and buts but in the end its still wrong for fairly obvious reasonsDavidParker wrote:Anyways, thread read, a few people stand out, I'm basically just too lazy to comment and analyze everything/everyone.. But I'm going to go ahead and:
Vote: danakillsu
Does his cop "breadcrumb" when the bandwagon is already going on him. So that can't even be used in his defence to back his claim. I'm one of those people who don't think just because someone has claimed cop they can get off without being lynched. That's just silly. Dana still strikes me as very scummy, and the cop claim seems desperate, and the breadcrumbs use to back it up, when the breadcrumbing began when he was under a lot of pressure. I don't like it and think he is scum. We have had a VT and cop claim today,there's nothing wrong with lynching a claimed cop anyways. If scum have a roleblocker, they are just gonna roleblock the cop continuously, and we will remain suspicious of the cop and eventually lynch him probably, if cop don't they will probably kill him, or if they don't we will lynch him but after getting some useful results. However, if he is scum, he has the potential to greatly mislead town, more than any claimed VT, so i'm all for lynching our claimed cop.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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