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Zuzu's Petals. There. Now an angel got its wings.In post 903, PeregrineV wrote:First, you must post the secret town password.
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Pages 1-3- RVS. *shrug*
Page 4- pisskop vs zek is of note on ths page. Just a really weird exchange. I can't tell if this is scum fake distancing, bad attempts at trying to get someone to "trip up" on something silly, or just something I can't comprehend.
Also a special scum point for Gooner for this unnecesary theory post. This is an up and coming reliable scum tell for me - easy way for scum to look like they are contributing while not actually taking a position on a person or argument.
Page 5- Anyone else finding Elyse difficult to read? Oh good, I'm not alone.
Page 6- @Nikanor - Nice = Town? Is this what you are saying??
Post 133 jibes with me. I won't be voting tman today.
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Wait. Why would Town be worried about a vig claim? Why wouldn't you let scum worry about Zek? The way I see it he's either the vig, as he claims, or he is scum and the real vig is [properly] not countering. You know why? Vig's counter claim with a shot in the night. Bottom line; if Zek is scum he is likely killed tonight. If Zek is NOT scum, he is NOT killed tonight and proves his role in the morning.In post 1091, Porochaz wrote:vote zekromthe more we extend this day the more Im wondering the point in this whole vig shot deal. I dont trust him to do whats right if he's town, which I have never really felt and I don't see the big advantage of doing it is.
Am I missing something here?
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Stop it. If he is changing context, you have an argument. If he is making his point more obvious by using fewer words [ie. being concise], you have no argument. I do this ALL THE TIME. In fact, I just did it.In post 1052, Ythan wrote:How does it feel to know that you have to cut part of a post out when you reply in order for you response to fit? Does it feel bad? It should.Coming soon: 50 Shades of Null
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If UT is scum - why does he need Zek to shoot the claimed doc. Can't he - you know - do this himself?In post 1028, pirate mollie wrote:
that would ut, who wants to keep zekrom around in order to shoot the claimed doc.In post 1025, Ythan wrote:So what idiot's fault is it that we're not lynching this.Coming soon: 50 Shades of Null
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Olympic Judge gives this a 4.5 for style and 6.0 for execution. You did not qualify to advance to the medal round.In post 1033, Ythan wrote:
CAN ANYONE WHO APPRECIATES PUNS PLEASE GET ON THISIn post 1032, Ythan wrote:FORMERFISH TO FRYComing soon: 50 Shades of Null
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Prepare to qualify.
This quote, however, was way more subtle and an awesome/unexpected 80's reference [even if targeted towards little girls].In post 1043, Ythan wrote:The argument you're implying here is outrageous. Truly, truly outrageous.
Nailed the execution and landing on a high degree of difficulty trick. The judges are impressed.
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In post 1007, sthar8 wrote:I don't like it when I can't predict the vig.
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In post 1008, Zekrom25 wrote:
if that ^ is what the rest of the town wantsIn post 1006, tman2nd wrote:But, he has to choose. Are you suggesting he use random.org or something?
Come on, guys. Can we pretend we know how to play this game?
Look, you are supposed to breadcrumb your shot. You blew that chance. Now you have to straight up name 2 people and shoot one of them. Easy enough? Good.Coming soon: 50 Shades of Null
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Yeah. That number needs to be 2. Two is the number.In post 1158, DeathNote wrote:We need to establish a set pool of 4 at most and then make sure Zek sees it and understands he is to kill these people and no one else.Coming soon: 50 Shades of Null
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Is this serious? I'm not going to read the whole game. Spare me the drama and tell me.
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I like you. I'm going to sheep you. I hate your NK choices but this is good work.In post 1016, Green Crayons wrote:VOTE: sthar
(1) Because Elyse's Post 972. In particular, sthar's interaction with mollie strikes me as scum trying to get into the good graces of a player they think will go to bat for them if convinced.
(2) Because sthar's Post 1009 looks like scum trying to push -reasons- to lynch a player other folks have already voiced a willingness to lynch. It looks that way because sthar's reasons are really quite bad (pointed out why below), but he gets the double benefit of looking like he's actively scumhunting (e.g., "look at this effort!") while being able to fall back on the fact that plenty of other players have already also stated Marquis suspicions (e.g., "alas, I, like all those other town, were mistaken").
- sthar uses quotes isolated from their context to concoct a scum motivation for their content while ignoring the ongoing discussion to which these posts were responding.
- sthar mischaracterizes what Marquis's posts are actually about. For example, Post 748 is talking about DeathNote, not Zekrom. And the ambivalent/sure point is based on Post 599, which speaks more to how Marquis feels about Fish than Zekrom.
- sthar thinks that finding fault with believing a vig-night-kill plan can actually survive scum fuckery even though scum are fully aware of what that plan is amounts to scumminess because... unclear. I am apparently unaware of sthar's extensive knowledge of all those times that scum haven't screwed an early-game, out-in-the-open town's night action plan, so that expressing doubt as to its success is no longer a "legitimate reason" to not champion such a plan.
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Yeah? And? Then TOWN will know who a TOWN Zek will kill. And he kills from a Town list not created by him. Isn't this the whole point of a "leashed" vig?In post 1162, DeathNote wrote:If we limit it too low then Scum know more about who Zek will kill.
I'm cool with RCB and Gooner.
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Why Cabd? Why not Marquis - you know, the counter wagon to the lynch on Town??In post 1301, Zekrom25 wrote:
CabdIn post 1299, pisskop wrote:Z-man. Who did you target.
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What?? Is this really a thing??In post 1446, serrapaladin wrote:I'm having paranoid thoughts about despy putting in double 1-shot vigs. From what I've seen zek's level of shitness doesn't actually correlate to his alignment, so I'm not convinced by yesterday.
Look, at this point Zek is pretty much one of three things:
1. fake claiming scum
2. an SK
3. the worst vig ever - all but guaranteed to target Town EVERY NIGHT ALIVE
Which of those three do you want to keep alive right now? If he flips 1 or 2 we're good. If he flips 3, we lynch fake claiming Cabd and nail scum tomorrow.
Optimal play is obvious:
VOTE: Zek
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I call bullshit. You were mod in one of my Town games. You should know what this play means. Hint: it isn't scum. You also have the benefit of knowing this isn't for show on the off chance you would just happen to replace in. Finally, you've been my victim how many times now? When have I ever done that as scum?In post 1608, serrapaladin wrote:Yatesy is doing that thing he does as scum where he's focusing on calling things bad/weird/wrong rather than making alignment judgements.
Fake meta is fake.
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So Nik...In post 1161, Yates wrote:Is this serious? I'm not going to read the whole game. Spare me the drama and tell me.
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In post 1629, Ythan wrote:Maybe I will vote Nikanor.
Yup. Agree with both of these. I want Nik to respond to 1622 before placing my vote.In post 1630, Ythan wrote:Man Serra is so scummy though.Coming soon: 50 Shades of Null
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Hogwash. I'm not going to self-meta but I disagree. I also disagree with your assertion that I'm not taking a stand in *this* game. PLUS, you are accusing me, of essentially this, yes?In post 1623, serrapaladin wrote:Both times, actually, and in your town games, there was significantly less content which was just filler calling people wrong without saying anything about their alignment.
So you are trying to claim that I'm scummy for doing something I'm calling a scum tell as if I wouldn't know? Whu? I'm not sure what your game is here, but you aren't making sense. And the fact you should know how to read me by now is more than a little disconcerting.In post 907, Yates wrote:Also a special scum point for Gooner for this unnecesary theory post. This is an up and coming reliable scum tell for me - easy way for scum to look like they are contributing while not actually taking a position on a person or argument.
In rereading you in ISO, my bigger concern at this point is your hedgey [http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p5703842]post 1446[/url] where you tried to pretend you were for a Zek lynch in 1445 then immediately backed out in the span of 19 minutes because... "paranoia?" Explain, please.
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In post 1639, PeregrineV wrote:short version of why Nik is scum
Post 1023 is rubbing me the wrong way. There appears to be a disconnect I'm *still* waiting for him to clear up.In post 1161, Yates wrote:Is this serious? I'm not going to read the whole game. Spare me the drama and tell me.
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In post 1666, Nikanor wrote:
It wasn't serious.In post 1622, Yates wrote:So Nik...In post 1161, Yates wrote:Is this serious? I'm not going to read the whole game. Spare me the drama and tell me.
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Yes.In post 1672, Green Crayons wrote:Is Page 41 (where Nikanor's Post 1023 is found) from Day 1?
I realize that now. I was thinking that was from day 2. Just realized in my response to GC it was still Day 1.In post 1673, PeregrineV wrote:This doesn't make sense, Yates.
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Guess I could vote Marquis - if only to stop the annoying bitching.Coming soon: 50 Shades of Null
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I had stronger opinions before the post loss. There's something missing now and I can't remember what I saw. So yeah. I'm a little annoyed. I've also got 3 or 4 people I would vote and there was... something... I didn't like about Nik from a post that got deleted and I just can't remember what it was but that's what really got me onto Nik-scum. So I have an opinion - I just can't substantiate it as well as I want.In post 1686, Untrod Tripod wrote:then get the fuck on with it. sooner or later you're going to have to have opinionsComing soon: 50 Shades of Null
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How do you distinguish between that and scum looking for town-cred? Serious question and not facetious.In post 1692, Elyse wrote:Marquis is reading more as frustrated town who is impressed with his Day 1 play and does not understand why others don't see it.
Initially, I thought I had that marked as him possibly faking a scum result. Seems way less likely to be a faked result if it was day 1. You see where scum have motivation to fake a result had that been D2.In post 1706, serrapaladin wrote:Whether or not you've forgotten when nik posted that, what scum motivation would nik have for that post?
The part that remains *kinda* scummy is the directing a vig thing. It is, however, less scummy since the motivation is just as likely because Cabd was a 2nd scum suspect as because he is scum trying to target town. I still subscribe to the theory that being wrong =/= being scum. Motivation is key.Coming soon: 50 Shades of Null
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I finally see what you are saying. You realize I'm a replacement player, right? 907 was my 1st content post - and I hadn't even finished reading the 900+ posts from before I replaced in. Ditto 1148 - I'm still trying to get caught up at that point. I'm sure I'm missing a bunch of crap but I actually never finished reading day 1. And frankly I'm not going to at this point. *shrug*In post 1706, serrapaladin wrote:What bothers me about you are throwaway comments like "What am I even reading? I'm taking a break." in 907, and posts like 1148 where you just describe why someone is wrong and somehow translate that to a potential scumread, without considering scum or town motivation.Coming soon: 50 Shades of Null
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So the current wagon is on mala because she didn't quick hammer? Is that the basic gist?Coming soon: 50 Shades of Null
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Simmer down. What am I missing?In post 1760, Porochaz wrote:Fancy reading the thread before posting?Coming soon: 50 Shades of Null
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Right. So this is your case:In post 1762, Porochaz wrote:That'll do.
Mala is lurking
Mala voted for mollie instead of Zek
Mala claimed she would vote Zek but didn't because "no quick lynch"
Am I missing anything else? I mean...
1. Mala has claimed to be sick thus not posting. I have been sick thus not posting. *shrug* Is this uncharacteristic for her? I'm not sure I've played a whole game with mala and if I have I don't know her meta. Outside of meta, I read this as null.
2. Do you know something about Mollie's alignment the rest of us don't? Point being - just because she didn't vote for Zek [or was even wrong about his newb label] doesn't mean she's wrong about Mollie. I'm not scum reading mollie but wtf do I know?
3. I'll give a minor scum point for the no quick lynch claim - but only because Zek ended up being scum.
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Well yeah but hasn't Marquis "claimed" IC? Or are you talking about the counter claim? I need to recheck the timing on that.In post 1777, Porochaz wrote:Well he had already claimed
That's what it looks like based on 1762. At least, that's what I infer from the posts you are quoting. Though I will admit I see where you may have thought I glossed over your scum defense point with the "wrong about his newb label" statement.In post 1777, Porochaz wrote:However no, my case really has fuck all to do with any of the reason you just gave.
Yeah. Like I said, being wrong about a read isn't the same as being scum. Calling someone scummy for questioning a case is scummier than actually challenging a case that doesn't look legit. With that in mind; how do you differentiate between scum defending and someone legitimately questioning a case?In post 1777, Porochaz wrote:The case is that she lightly defended Zekrom all day 1 with the case of "he's new, let him off..." then changed her stance day 2, but didn't put any money where her mouth is. ie. expressed suspicion on someone but voted someone else
This is another part of your case I have a problem with. You are trying to make it sound like not taking a hard stance on someone on day 1 and then acquiescing to a lynch on that same person later on day 2 is somehow scummy. Reads evolve, dude. I know you know that. So this makes me wonder WHY you would pretend that's somehow a valid point.In post 1777, Porochaz wrote:From her earlier stance, it was a bit of a 180, scummy due tot he circumstances in that Zekrom was obviously going to be questioned due to the missing nightkill.
Frankly, this looks more like a tunnel than a case. Tunnels are bad because they make it hard to determine alignment on either player for the rest of us.
The bolded is what really catches my attention. A simple ISO clears that up in a jiffy:In post 1777, Porochaz wrote:She tried to distance herself from him but lead another wagon,one in which she didn't make a legitimate argument forbut kept enough of a door open to lynch her partner if she needed to.
First, 1145 is clearly an OMGUS vote. Whatevs.
Second, 1233 shows a Mala tunnel starting on Mollie. [look familiar?]
Third, 1326 is a meta argument. Agree or disagree with the read, it's a legitimate reason for a vote.
Finally, in trying to read Mala in context [specifically 1326], I noticed that tman is playing pretty much the same game as mala only - to his credit - he has been posting. What I mean by "same game" is that he was pretty dialed in to Marquis on Day 1 [tunnel] and only moved to the Zek wagon in post 1345 because it had more traction. I point this out because I think we share a Townish read on Tman.
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I think you don't know what a chainsaw is.In post 1781, pirate mollie wrote:chainsaw moar, yatesComing soon: 50 Shades of Null
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Wait. Marquis is an alt? This would be good info.In post 1785, pisskop wrote:Whats the alt of Maquis?
If you are going to accuse me of something, at least know what you are accusing me of. A chainsaw is defending a scum buddy by attacking your scum buddy's attacker. This is a very good example of precisely why I'm questioning the legitimacy of this wagon. People are throwing crap around on what looks like an easy lynch that's gaining traction and I'm going to call you out on it. If mala get's lynched and flips scum? Fine. I'll probably look bad for it but whatever. If mala gets lynched and flips Town, I want to know who is the scum on the wagon because it isn'tIn post 1784, pirate mollie wrote:mebbe you shld teach mehalwaysthe driver.
What do you think of mollie and RC?In post 1788, DeathNote wrote:I still think Marq or nikanor are good lynches as well.
Are you off the Marquis is scum kick? Also, do you know Marquis' alt? Also also, what's your opinion on RC?In post 1787, Untrod Tripod wrote:PS LET'S LYNCH FUCKIN MALA OMG
Basically, I'm voting in the Nik, Marquis, and newly minted scum suspect RC [check ISO posts 53-65 for reason] pool. I'd only vote mala to prevent a no lynch but I'm not liking this wagon, obviously.
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Really? I was unaware. My bad.In post 1795, Untrod Tripod wrote:stop fishing for that, it's incredibly bad form.Coming soon: 50 Shades of Null
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Well... aside from knowing wtf I'm talking about, there's a wiki link.In post 1797, pirate mollie wrote:jesus christ ut you cannot tell me that you missed like an obvious thing like this
Based on what? You are rapidly becoming a scum read for me mainly because of proclimations like this with absolutely no backing.In post 1803, DeathNote wrote:RC is town. The best we can do with her is try and convince her to vote with town.
That's actually a good point and the first thing anyone's said that has me reconsidering my mala read. You'd think a mala mislynch would be easier [though I recognize my role in preventing it]. I'm the only one that's actually questioned theIn post 1827, Green Crayons wrote:
Can you provide specific examples of what you're talking about?In post 1821, Elyse wrote:VOTE: Malakittens
There is a lot of resistance to her wagon which IMO is a good sign. Most of the resistance is talking about why she isn't scum rather than why she's town, which is another good sign.caseon mala - maybe Pere to a certain degree - and yet she isn't lynched yet. Some people aren't voting mala for reasons yet unknown and no one has really presented a stronger scum read, myself included.
Did you mean the IC claim?In post 1825, tman2nd wrote:What claim are we talking about?...or the counter claim?
In post 1355, Cabd wrote:I'm the actual fucking oneshot vig. I tried to shoot him last night, fucker's probably mafia bulletproof.
Fair enough. I guess you weren't defending Zekrom but you weren't making a Zekrom case either.In post 1826, tman2nd wrote:I didn't reverse my read of Marquis at that point, and I wasn't defending Zekrom the previous day.
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Screw it.
VOTE: Mala
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Read this post then read this post. Ten word answer.In post 1843, notscience wrote:Someone give me a 10 word post on why we're wagoning malaComing soon: 50 Shades of Null
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1 - Fair enoughIn post 1848, Green Crayons wrote:(1) I'm not saying it isn't a good point, I just want specific examples that motivated Elyse's comment for future consideration before we see Mala's alignment.
(2) Why should we think a Mala mislynch would be easier?
(3) So if Elyse's point is a good one (your words), and you're claiming that you're pretty much the only person who she could be talking about in making her point, why shouldn't we lynch you tomorrow if Mala flips scum? If Mala flips town, why isn't your observation a duplicitous, self-serving statement -- that is, you were the lone voice of reason speaking out against the misguided Mala-wagon?
(4) Why are you voting Mala?
2 - A mislynch on a prod dodger IN GENERAL [ie. not just because it's Mala] is typically pretty easy in lieu of a solid scum suspect or lead.
3 - If she flips scum I'm sure I'll be lynched tomorrow so I'll worry about that if she flips scum. If she flips Town I don't care if you think my observations were "duplicitous" or "self-serving" so long as my actions enable me to figure out who the scum driving the wagon is. I note that you phrased this as a "heads I win, tails you lose" sort of question. Were you aware of this when you were typing it out?
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Serra or Nikanor?In post 1915, serrapaladin wrote:Nika looks incredibly bad for leaking daytalk knowledge. I think that means mala isn't scum, at least not with Nika. Further, if mala is a scum-encryptor, I wouldn't expect her to also enable daytalk for other QT's, so that'd be a strange thing for her to add.
I'd be more comfortable with this for today:
VOTE: Nikanor
/flips coin
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Thanks. I try. Is there some strong reason you think I should be voting Serra over Nik? To me, it looks like *NIKANOR* has more 'splainin to do than Serra.In post 1964, Ythan wrote:Good job player of this game.Coming soon: 50 Shades of Null
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What was the point of this? I think I'm missing something.In post 1975, Marquis wrote:In post 112, Marquis wrote:Additionally, if I told you right now that UT and I were Bulletproof Mason Lovers, would you believe it?
Agree or disagree: Nick scum flip = probable Serra Town?In post 1972, Ythan wrote:Man Serra is so scummy though.Coming soon: 50 Shades of Null
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Once Marquis answers the question you won't be able to say this and expect anyone to believe it.In post 1999, Nikanor wrote:I think it has something to do with him asking the wrong questions (such as his question to Marquise in 1986)
Nikanor scum buddy detected:In post 2005, Untrod Tripod wrote:Look you might be right that nik is scum. I'm just pointing out that your reasoning is flawed
Don't drink the Kool-Aid.In post 2009, Green Crayons wrote:I agree that Yates' questions seem "off."Coming soon: 50 Shades of Null
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In post 1986, Yates wrote:
What was the point of this? I think I'm missing something.In post 1975, Marquis wrote:In post 112, Marquis wrote:Additionally, if I told you right now that UT and I were Bulletproof Mason Lovers, would you believe it?Coming soon: 50 Shades of Null
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I'm not arguing that point but I'm assuming there is a reason Marquis requoted one of her "stupid bullshit" posts - THAT "stupid bullshit" post to be specific. I would really REALLY like her to answer the question before I tell you why that post is important to me rather than to undermine the whole process.In post 2043, Untrod Tripod wrote:Marquis has been just saying stupid bullshit all game
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But YOU are the one that posted that! You are obviously trying to hint at/communicate SOMETHING... And if it's what I'm about to accuse you of I'm going to go ahead and stop you right there. I don't buy it and I will hang you if you go down that road.In post 2045, Marquis wrote:I'd rather not claim anything at the moment so stop trying me to get to confirm (or deny) anythingComing soon: 50 Shades of Null
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This may have merit...In post 2055, Untrod Tripod wrote:we could just wagon Marquis to L-1 to make him claim
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@L-1In post 2073, Untrod Tripod wrote:Nik needs to claimIn post 2074, Nikanor wrote:Townie.Coming soon: 50 Shades of Null
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It took you 49 minutes to type "intent yo?"
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Why elyse? I'm kind of reading her as Town. There are too many people playing scummy right now and she doesn't crack the top 4.In post 2106, pirate mollie wrote:yeah I could do elyse
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In post 2115, Marquis wrote:Yates, I'm not claiming anything for you.
Let's find out!In post 2116, Untrod Tripod wrote:will you claim at L-1
VOTE: Marquis
Good idea. Lets put everyone that fake crumbed a role at L-1. Here's the list of people that did that for you to choose from:In post 2117, Marquis wrote:Put everyone at L-1 and make them claim
1. Marquis
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No Thanks. Yates is my only conf-Town.
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I need info out of Marquis. She appears to be claiming mason. If so, I'm calling BS.In post 2128, pirate mollie wrote:so why are you not voting serra, yates?Coming soon: 50 Shades of Null
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I'm not? YOU are the one crumbing mason. I am saying you are NOT the mason and the REAL mason has no need to cc because your crumb is not believable. Are you going to own your crumb or wait until lylo to make something up based on known flips?In post 2130, Marquis wrote:Are you kidding me stop trying to get the mason to cc a crumb that isn't even thatComing soon: 50 Shades of Null
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Also, who gives a fart if the mason gets forced to counter you after you fake claim? Our mason is effectively an IC at this point and if your scum buddies want to waste their NK on an IC then bully for them as long as it catches you.Coming soon: 50 Shades of Null
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Where am I doing that? False accusation is false. I *specifically* said I was *not* outting the mason and that the mason had *NO NEED* to counter.In post 2138, Untrod Tripod wrote:yates is openly trying to out the masons and then saying the mafia won't kill them
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YUP.In post 2142, Untrod Tripod wrote:is marquis doing that?In post 1986, Yates wrote:
What was the point of this? I think I'm missing something.In post 1975, Marquis wrote:In post 112, Marquis wrote:Additionally, if I told you right now that UT and I were Bulletproof Mason Lovers, would you believe it?Coming soon: 50 Shades of Null
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Bottom line:
- I'm accusing Marquis of fake claiming mason.
- I'm saying I can prove it *without* the REAL mason needing to counter.
- I'm saying that it's scummy to fake claim mason.
- I'm trying to make her hard claim something she's *trying* to soft claim in order to remove wiggle room.
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For reference - post 1975 wasIn post 2145, Marquis wrote:stop looking at one word I said in RVSNOTin RVS. So nice attempt at a misrep.Coming soon: 50 Shades of Null
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