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Yet, you don't vote for him. Why?
In post 31, Wake1 wrote:In post 24, SilverWolf wrote:Hi FA, Could you do me a favor and get an avatar? It makes it easier for me to tell who is who around here.
Wake-Why don't you want to vote? All the cool kids are doing it.
Why you wanna have me vote?
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Hi, What's up with the naked votes on FA? It seems they appeared one right after the other as soon as a wagon popped up on TSO.
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In post 103, Grib wrote:
Hi SilverWolf! Your posts are looking especially lovely today.
I voted him to see what would happen. It's a work in progress.
Hi Grib! How are you? Good to play with you again.
I'm totally susceptible to buddying so keep up the good work.
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In post 107, Aeronaut wrote:Hi Silverwolf~ I missed playing with you
Hi Aero, I'm really glad to be playing with you again. This player list is so awesome!!Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 96, Aeronaut wrote:Ok. Let's generate discussion
@Everyone: what's the biggest flaw in your towngame? Your scumgame?
As town it's that I'm too afraid of being wrong and it makes me indecisive and unsure of myself at times.
As scum, I'd have to say it's that I suck at lying and manipulating people.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 112, Wake1 wrote:
The point in 24 whereSilverwolfasks why I don't want to vote when I actually said I'll reserve my vote for now... feels off. Slight difference there. I do want to vote, but I'd prefer to be reserved with it. Something about Scum-Belisarius trying to get me to vote on a mislynch.
Vote reservation's part of my meta.
acryonandSilverwolf, curiosity has me wondering whether or not you feelelusive's 48 (line 1) feels genuine.
I don't have a problem with elusive's 48 because I think he's just new and doesn't realize how common multiple votes are on a person in RVS.
Yeah, vote reservation may be part of your meta but I really don't like that you asked me to start a wagon on someone and then said you didn't want to vote on it.
If you check my games, I'm a big advocate of using the power of your vote. Not only does it apply pressure and get reactions, making it easier to read people but it makes it makes it easier to read the person doing the voting. I can't do that nearly as well without seeing who you are voting for and judging your motives.
You'd have a point about pushing to vote for a mislynch if I was trying to get you to vote for any particular person but all I'm doing is questioning why you don't want to vote at all because I consider it withholding info. from town and not only should townies not be afraid of getting a few votes but they shouldn't be afraid of casting one.
I don't know about you, but unless we are in lylo or in an L-1 situation, if someone does something scummy, I'm going after them with my vote. And you know that from seeing me play offsite too Wake. How often am I ever in unvote status?
I guess it's just a difference of opinion between the two of us on how to scumhunt effectively. Heck Wake, I'm about to IC my first newbie game and I have a blurb in my IC intro about using your vote and how important it is. That's just the way I play.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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Not wanting to vote at all means right now Wake and not for the rest of the game and I think you are very well aware of what I meant by that and I also think you are very well aware of how I dislike my words being taken out of context or twisted. :/Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 122, elusive wrote:
Silverwolf, it's cool, 48 was mostly because in the newbie game its like 5 or less to lynch so I was adjusting from that world to this world which is much bigger. What are your other scum hunting tips? What do you think about tunneling to pressure scum?
Tunneling is good if you think you have scum because pressuring them and questioning them is a good way to get them to slip up and say something incriminating. If you are town, and think you have scum, you should definitely go after them. But, when you are in a 1v1 type of situation you have to ask yourself if you actually have scum or if you are after town. I can sometimes tell if it's town simply because they answer all my questions or concerns with their words or actions and I no longer feel justified in tunneling them so I move on. If it's scum, they may try to avoid you or appease you instead where town often gets pissy about it. But not always. This is not a hard and fast rule.
Also, the best thing you can do is look at a person's posts and try to figure out the motivation behind them. Ask yourself:
-Is this something scum would say or would benefit from?
-Is this something town would say or benefit from?
-Do I agree with it?
These are some good starting points to get you on your scumhunting journey.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 127, Wake1 wrote:In post 124, SilverWolf wrote:
Not wanting to vote at all means right now Wake and not for the rest of the game and I think you are very well aware of what I meant by that and I also think you are very well aware of how I dislike my words being taken out of context or twisted. :/
...great, another faint bell rings in the distance.
Silverwolf, do you normally use stream-of-conscious posting as Town?
Do you even know who I am Wake? Have you not played with me before and modded many a game I have played in?
Yes, I do that all the time.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 142, Aeronaut wrote:I haven't played with scum-silver except for The Game Which Shall Not Be Named, which honestly is hard to get any sort of read off of. I think this seems pretty indicative of townie-SW so far.
I wasn't scum in that game. I was town who sacrificed myself for the greater good. BTW, I'm totally sorry I gave a gun to townie who shot you and you were town!!
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In post 157, Cheetory6 wrote:Dragon, klingon and aero to a lesser extent.
dragonspawn has played with me many times off-site as well as Klingon and House.
House has played with me many times onsite here as well.
House and Klingon both just got out of a game with me where I was scum and they were town.
Aero and Grib have not played with me off-site but onsite here in a few games.
Wake has played with me a couple times.
Anyhow, here's the game where I was scum and House and Klingon were town.
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In post 177, dragonspawn wrote:In post 173, Klingoncelt wrote:
Anti-virus, actually. The program's not functioning right. Their help desk is open during my sleep period (I'm not a daywalker,) so getting it fixed could take a few evenings.
You're a vampire?
Shouldn't you and wolf be fighting then?
I'm not a werewolf though. Vampires scare me, LOL.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 182, Aeronaut wrote:If you shoot a Vampire with a silverwolf it dies
Oh that's right. I have Silver in my name. I have nothing to fear then.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 193, Aeronaut wrote:You know what I just realized? Almost the whole playerlist from the game that shall not be named is also in this game,Including the Mod
Oh god PTSD
We will follow you around from game to game and haunt you.
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In post 196, FA_Q2 wrote:
In post 159, SilverWolf wrote:In post 157, Cheetory6 wrote:Dragon, klingon and aero to a lesser extent.
dragonspawn has played with me many times off-site as well as Klingon and House.
House has played with me many times onsite here as well.
House and Klingon both just got out of a game with me where I was scum and they were town.
Aero and Grib have not played with me off-site but onsite here in a few games.
Wake has played with me a couple times.
Anyhow, here's the game where I was scum and House and Klingon were town.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=60334
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Are they over at US as well? Who are they? I didn't think there were so many of us over here.
Aero and Grib no. They are players I've met here. You know Wake and House obviously. Klingon and dragonspawn are over there as well yep. Grandma and Avi. Say hi, it's a reunion party!!Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 255, Aeronaut wrote:In post 253, SilverWolf wrote:I don't especially like TSO's entrance into this game at all and I'm perfectly fine with my vote where it is.
What don't you like about it?
The way he was reading his wagon was fake as hell.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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I've never played with TSO before but his reads just did not seem genuine. I mean he gave a town read to vikingfan and Jared over nothing posts, and then with Shinobi it was bad when he called for everyone to pile on but then it was super towny when Shinobi was talking about how tough TSO was to read and why he was applying pressure and then he goes on to defend Shinobi against one of dragonspawn's comments which just looked like buddying to me. Then called me bad for not calling for a prod with my vote but Aero sheeped me and that was town which was just inconsistent and not genuine at all.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 266, FA_Q2 wrote:In post 262, SilverWolf wrote:
I've never played with TSO before but his reads just did not seem genuine. I mean he gave a town read to vikingfan and Jared over nothing posts, and then with Shinobi it was bad when he called for everyone to pile on but then it was super towny when Shinobi was talking about how tough TSO was to read and why he was applying pressure and then he goes on to defend Shinobi against one of dragonspawn's comments which just looked like buddying to me. Then called me bad for not calling for a prod with my vote but Aero sheeped me and that was town which was just inconsistent and not genuine at all.
Technically this would be your second though I could hardly call what TSO did here as playing...
http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/o ... ce.377844/
I do believe that this is the same TSO.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. He was barely in that game. I think he was with us in Fire and Ice too but replaced in late and was killed off.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 270, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 262, SilverWolf wrote:
I've never played with TSO before but his reads just did not seem genuine. ...
Didn't TSO play a game at USMB?
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Wake, Why not ask Grib straight out why he's townreading acryon or finds Boon suspicious?
I do agree that his townread on acryon is off considering acryon hasn't done anything especially townie in this game.
I will also say that Grib has a history of voting me first in games we play together and has used the totally rolled town line it 2 other games we've played where he's been town. He was scum with me in a game and was townread by pretty much everyone.
So Grib's actually a light townread for me just because his nonchalant attitude is pretty typical for him as town, where as scum he puts more effort in.
You can check Ika's 402 to see the scum game I'm talking about if it interests you. It's not quite the same set-up because Grib and I and Xay were all on different teams by ourselves and House was also in that game as town. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=59515Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 299, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Everyone not voting should vote.
Agree'd or tell us who you'd like to vote for.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 309, elusive wrote:
I have setup questions or I guess what is this type of setup called and is there a Wiki with possible roles and number of town, scum and any third parties?
It's a closed set-up so we don't know what's at play but it's a Normal game so there has to be some guidelines the game has to follow.
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In post 313, pisskop wrote:
Why would they tell us who they would like to instead of actually voting?
Because Wake is a paranoid freak about his vote and won't cast it unless he's good and ready because apparently it's so special we all want to manipulate it and force him to put it where we want it to go.
Or something like that.
Klingon and Kitz need to do something, anything because right now, not only are they not voting, but not saying much either. Kitz is better than Klingon for that meta post.
TSO has done a better analysis on his wagon than last time but still hasn't told us who he finds the scummiest in the game or voted so................
Why would you just unvote instead of voting for your top scumread after just asking me that question about voting? Why was your vote on the TSO wagon random if we were already out of RVS and who do you find scummy enough to vote for now? You said Shinobi earlier but why?Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 322, Wake1 wrote:
Paranoia is sort of justified in Mafia, when you actually do have people in your group that want to deceive and murder you, so...
And as was said before, Scum-Belisarius is just one example of Scum trying to get me to mislynch someone. *Can provide links.
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In post 327, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 318, SilverWolf wrote:
Klingon and Kitz need to do something, anything because right now, not only are they not voting, but not saying much either. Kitz is better than Klingon for that meta post.
I'm V/LA till next Tuesday. I can skim through the game and make a few superficial posts, but getting deep into it is impossible for the next few days.
You're excused. I forgot about that.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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LOL-Good idea. I was thinking of voting for him and seeing if that did anything but I like your ideas better.
Wake-do not vote, for the love of everything sacred, keep your vote to yourself or we are all doomed!!
Also, Wake voting is a scumclaim.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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Well, he's avoiding any kind of VCA or wagon analysis for one thing. And his fear of being scrutinized for voting is misplaced. I don't really get it at all. And he's taking away the power of his vote by not using it.
I don't think the motives are scummy though. Just a little strange.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 335, Wake1 wrote:
I do have initial feelings regarding certain players, but you practically demand that I vote yet will undoubtedly scoff at the feelings behind the reasoning for said vote. You probably want me to vote in order to pick apart and attack it, which in itself is disingenuous, and further makes me want to choose my actions wisely, because I like to have solid reasoning behind each and every one of my actions in general. If I felt your intentions were honest, that you wanted to know who I'd vote for without also planning to attack it, I'd be more inclined to do so.
WTF is up with this? I don't even know what to say to this. You don't want anyone to question your vote? I wasn't planning on attacking you Wake.
TSO picked apart my vote on him twice and said he didn't like it. Cheetory didn't like the tone of some of my posts and said so. Do you see me freaking out and squeezing a stress ball in the corner? Well, if I was squeezing a stress ball you wouldn't see it but just visualize it Wake.
I'm not sure what this is all about. I want to say townie paranoia but I'm not wanting to townread this behavior or call it scummy. Maybe just null for now and keep an eye on it.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 345, Wake1 wrote:In post 343, SilverWolf wrote:In post 335, Wake1 wrote:
I do have initial feelings regarding certain players, but you practically demand that I vote yet will undoubtedly scoff at the feelings behind the reasoning for said vote. You probably want me to vote in order to pick apart and attack it, which in itself is disingenuous, and further makes me want to choose my actions wisely, because I like to have solid reasoning behind each and every one of my actions in general. If I felt your intentions were honest, that you wanted to know who I'd vote for without also planning to attack it, I'd be more inclined to do so.
WTF is up with this? I don't even know what to say to this. You don't want anyone to question your vote? I wasn't planning on attacking you Wake.
TSO picked apart my vote on him twice and said he didn't like it. Cheetory didn't like the tone of some of my posts and said so. Do you see me freaking out and squeezing a stress ball in the corner? Well, if I was squeezing a stress ball you wouldn't see it but just visualize it Wake.
I'm not sure what this is all about. I want to say townie paranoia but I'm not wanting to townread this behavior or call it scummy. Maybe just null for now and keep an eye on it.
You have it completely wrong.
If I get into this game, it will create chaos. If I start to move things and stir the waters, things will happen. By nature I am a catalyst. Taking off these restraints and seeing to it that things happen in this game may cause some to not want to play with my style. It may sound self-aggrandizing to you, but it isn't, but the truth, and is both an immense strength and an immense weakness. I can be a very powerful player, but I can't really play if I turn some players off because of it.
There is no paranoia. There's only the restrained yet fearless desire to pierce through everything and everyone in order to pull out the truth. You stab at things to see how they bleed in Mafia. Some people don't like being aggressively interrogated. I'm not stressed at all. I don't want to seem to over-powering, because it's not fun having few to play with (we're not talking trolling or uncivil behavior: just being a strong-willed personality).
You are the all powerful Wake.
Your friends know you and aren't going to care as long as you aren't abusive.
But OK, that's fine for now. But eventually you will have to join the party.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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NakedJogger seems town. I like his line of questioning with House. I actually agree with TSO's townread on Jared's posts-despite the lack of them, I actually like the ones that are there for town. Disagree with elusive, I like TSO's explanation of why he townread Jared, especially since that was one of my original complaints about TSO's wagon interpretation-lack of explanation of his reads. I also like how TSO admitted he messed up a read on vikingfan. Seemed genuine. This post from Wake is town. 345.
I agree with Klingon's 354. Klingon-do you find this vote worthy? I do.
His first RVS vote defending Wake was shady, then he joins the leading Wagon at the first opportunity, then remarks about how many posts there are which is basically his way of stating something while saying nothing.
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In post 386, Cheetory6 wrote:On reread, Silver's insistence on trying to find out why Wake isn't voting feels like she genuinely wanted to know what he was thinking. I still feel like 119 is overexplainy though and I'm finding it hard to put into words why I'm finding that weird. :/
@Silver, would you say that you anticipating playing as an IC in a newbie game is influencing some of your play/interactions with elusive? Do you consider yourself someone who generally likes to help newer plays find their footing in a game?
119 was wordy I agree. It was kind of a vent about voting. I tend to ramble sometimes.
Yes, I will definitely try to help new players with any game play questions they have and I do that as either alignment.
In post 386, Cheetory6 wrote:Can anyone else who's played with FA before give their thoughts on his play thus far? Is he usually the sort of person to be safe with his voting?
I have played with him. It's been awhile. IIRC, yes he is more conservative/safe with his vote as scum than as town.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 402, pisskop wrote:
In post 393, dragonspawn wrote:As he is one of my gut scum reads at the moment in going to jump on and see if more pressure will shake something free from him.
You're voting for pressure . . . while telling him it's pressure?
vote: dragonspawn
This is a terrible reason for a vote.
FoS: pisskop
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In post 408, Aeronaut wrote:Eh, Viking's not great, either. However, his posts consist of fluffy fluff, when Dragon is using some shit reasoning for what he's trying to do.
Nope, vikingfan buddies Wake in his first post, then jumps on the TSO wagon by saying he's lurking, then makes a comment about how many pages there are and how he'll be back which is basically saying nothing while pretending to contribute.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 411, pisskop wrote:
In post 409, SilverWolf wrote:
This is a terrible reason for a vote.
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Boons and Aero's votes were fine.
What was bad about my reason for voting dragon?
What is scummy about placing a pressure vote and saying it's for pressure? Maybe if you explained that, I'd understand it better.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 413, pisskop wrote:In post 412, SilverWolf wrote:
What is scummy about placing a pressure vote and saying it's for pressure? Maybe if you explained that, I'd understand it better.
Its hard to apply pressure if you state your explicit reason for voting is pressure. There was no questions or reasons for his vote other than 'pressure'.
Dragon also ignored or missed my question, and only began to flesh out his reason after being pressured to by Boons. His reaction to Boon's shift was marked, and as stated above he was saying he said he had plenty of reasons but was still calling it gut. It doesn't seem to add up.
This is better.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 416, vikingfan wrote:Back as promised . I find a lot of interaction, especially the buddying with SilverWolf extremely interesting and have noted it for future reference in future days. As for who I find scummy:
I'm going to note the wagon on dragonspawn first. First of all there was an attempt to elicit a reaction on my part which he simply voted on because I reacted, whereas I'm sure if I'd just ignored the whole attempt to elicit a reaction would have been found scummy too in terms of ignoring it. So that became a no-win situation because there would be a reaction of some sort, which I found interesting. I find Grib's post about being on V/LA until Tuesday in post 37 very interesting because he also noted v/la due to homework and there was zero bussing as a result of that yet my post about having real-life things as well was found scummy so I am noting the selective criteria being used for future reference. also, dragon spent a lot of posts defending silverwolf and very little on anyone else.
I find tso's defense fine for now. so UNVOTE: tso VOTE: dragonspawn
BTW, I have never played with anyone in this game so using meta is useless in my case so I'm not going to use that to try to read other people. I will say that I tend to play as much as possible exactly the same whether town or scum.
Oh for the love of all things sacred and holy in this world, can we please lynch this scum?Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 422, vikingfan wrote:In post 417, SilverWolf wrote:In post 416, vikingfan wrote:Back as promised . I find a lot of interaction, especially the buddying with SilverWolf extremely interesting and have noted it for future reference in future days. As for who I find scummy:
I'm going to note the wagon on dragonspawn first. First of all there was an attempt to elicit a reaction on my part which he simply voted on because I reacted, whereas I'm sure if I'd just ignored the whole attempt to elicit a reaction would have been found scummy too in terms of ignoring it. So that became a no-win situation because there would be a reaction of some sort, which I found interesting. I find Grib's post about being on V/LA until Tuesday in post 37 very interesting because he also noted v/la due to homework and there was zero bussing as a result of that yet my post about having real-life things as well was found scummy so I am noting the selective criteria being used for future reference. also, dragon spent a lot of posts defending silverwolf and very little on anyone else.
I find tso's defense fine for now. so UNVOTE: tso VOTE: dragonspawn
BTW, I have never played with anyone in this game so using meta is useless in my case so I'm not going to use that to try to read other people. I will say that I tend to play as much as possible exactly the same whether town or scum.
Oh for the love of all things sacred and holy in this world, can we please lynch this scum?
Your comment to influence the town with no other comment is noted.
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In post 432, House wrote:In post 412, SilverWolf wrote:In post 411, pisskop wrote:
In post 409, SilverWolf wrote:
This is a terrible reason for a vote.
FoS: pisskop
Boons and Aero's votes were fine.
What was bad about my reason for voting dragon?
What is scummy about placing a pressure vote and saying it's for pressure? Maybe if you explained that, I'd understand it better.
Do you seriously need this basic concept spelled out?
Say it ain't so.
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Why? I've been trying to read House all game and I can't still.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 450, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 448, SilverWolf wrote:It seems like every time vikingfan gets a vote, someone else comes along and throws down a vote for dragonspawn.
They should stop doing that. Poor guy always gets read as scum and lynched early.
The term for that is lynchbait but I'm still trying to figure out why he's scummier than vikingfan.......................Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 451, Aeronaut wrote:Could you like a game where that happened?
I think she's talking about offsite, we tend to lynch him early.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 454, acryon wrote:
That being said, my vote is still on vikingfan, because his posts have looked much worse than dragon's. I've got an FoS on dragon though.
In post 452, SilverWolf wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out why he's scummier than vikingfan.......................
Yeah, he isn't.
So looking at the votes:
Boon was the first to vote dragon
Pisskop sheeps Boon’s reason
Grib adds to vikingfan
Aero adds to dragon for the same reason as Boon and pisskop
Vikingfan jumps on dragon
Klingon places his vote for vikingfan (although the intent was clearly there already)
House jumps on, stating he is sheeping
Kitz jumps on vikingfan for disliking the way he addressed the dragon wagon (which has a nice ring to it
Nakedjogger jumps on dragon for being defensive
Giving us the following VC for those two (pretty sure):
vikingfan: acryon, SilverWolf, dragonspawn, Grib, Klingon, House, Kitz [L-4]
Dragonspawn: Boonskiies, Pisskop, Aeronaut, vikingfan, Nakedjogger [L-6]
The dragonspawn wagon certainly smells like a counterwagon to a scum wagon. If it is, I suspect Aeronaut the most on the counterwagon (and of course vikingfan). Came in third on the wagon only after it clearly had a little traction and just sheeped Boon's reasoning (which isn't bad in and of itself, but it's hard to tell if Aero had his own reasons).
I completely agree with this analysis. vikingfan's lynch would be most informative because if he flips scum, we can look at the votes on dragon's wagon like Aero and pisskop more closely. If he flips town, dragon would be a good D2 vote.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 460, House wrote:(Psst: dragonspawn is certifiable lynchbain. Hence my reluctance to join his wagon despite my own interest in voting for him)
This is true, he tends to get lynched early and often in other games I've played and not been scum at the time which means he may not be now either.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 468, House wrote:In post 467, SilverWolf wrote:In post 454, acryon wrote:
That being said, my vote is still on vikingfan, because his posts have looked much worse than dragon's. I've got an FoS on dragon though.
In post 452, SilverWolf wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out why he's scummier than vikingfan.......................
Yeah, he isn't.
So looking at the votes:
Boon was the first to vote dragon
Pisskop sheeps Boon’s reason
Grib adds to vikingfan
Aero adds to dragon for the same reason as Boon and pisskop
Vikingfan jumps on dragon
Klingon places his vote for vikingfan (although the intent was clearly there already)
House jumps on, stating he is sheeping
Kitz jumps on vikingfan for disliking the way he addressed the dragon wagon (which has a nice ring to it
Nakedjogger jumps on dragon for being defensive
Giving us the following VC for those two (pretty sure):
vikingfan: acryon, SilverWolf, dragonspawn, Grib, Klingon, House, Kitz [L-4]
Dragonspawn: Boonskiies, Pisskop, Aeronaut, vikingfan, Nakedjogger [L-6]
The dragonspawn wagon certainly smells like a counterwagon to a scum wagon. If it is, I suspect Aeronaut the most on the counterwagon (and of course vikingfan). Came in third on the wagon only after it clearly had a little traction and just sheeped Boon's reasoning (which isn't bad in and of itself, but it's hard to tell if Aero had his own reasons).
I completely agree with this analysis. vikingfan's lynch would be most informative because if he flips scum, we can look at the votes on dragon's wagon like Aero and pisskop more closely. If he flips town, dragon would be a good D2 vote.
But would scum vote for their buddy to stay off a mislynch wagon?
I don't think so.
No, If vikingfan is scum, then dragon is more likely to be town with scum on his wagon. If he's town, then the votes on dragon are not as suspect.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 464, House wrote:In post 463, FakedBlogger wrote:In post 460, House wrote:(Psst: dragonspawn is certifiable lynchbain. Hence my reluctance to join his wagon despite my own interest in voting for him)
Atm viking looks more like lynchbait to me.
Which supports a D1 viking lynch.
If he flips scum, it will ease my mind considerably about dragonspawn, because scum simply chose an easy target to draw heat away from their buddy.
If he flips town, it will get rid of a distraction and allow us to look for the actual scum instead of argue throughout the game.
Barring a player posting, "Hai guyz, I iz scumlol", viking's lynch is the most useful.
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In post 475, House wrote:In post 474, SilverWolf wrote:In post 468, House wrote:In post 467, SilverWolf wrote:In post 454, acryon wrote:
That being said, my vote is still on vikingfan, because his posts have looked much worse than dragon's. I've got an FoS on dragon though.
In post 452, SilverWolf wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out why he's scummier than vikingfan.......................
Yeah, he isn't.
So looking at the votes:
Boon was the first to vote dragon
Pisskop sheeps Boon’s reason
Grib adds to vikingfan
Aero adds to dragon for the same reason as Boon and pisskop
Vikingfan jumps on dragon
Klingon places his vote for vikingfan (although the intent was clearly there already)
House jumps on, stating he is sheeping
Kitz jumps on vikingfan for disliking the way he addressed the dragon wagon (which has a nice ring to it
Nakedjogger jumps on dragon for being defensive
Giving us the following VC for those two (pretty sure):
vikingfan: acryon, SilverWolf, dragonspawn, Grib, Klingon, House, Kitz [L-4]
Dragonspawn: Boonskiies, Pisskop, Aeronaut, vikingfan, Nakedjogger [L-6]
The dragonspawn wagon certainly smells like a counterwagon to a scum wagon. If it is, I suspect Aeronaut the most on the counterwagon (and of course vikingfan). Came in third on the wagon only after it clearly had a little traction and just sheeped Boon's reasoning (which isn't bad in and of itself, but it's hard to tell if Aero had his own reasons).
I completely agree with this analysis. vikingfan's lynch would be most informative because if he flips scum, we can look at the votes on dragon's wagon like Aero and pisskop more closely. If he flips town, dragon would be a good D2 vote.
But would scum vote for their buddy to stay off a mislynch wagon?
I don't think so.
No, If vikingfan is scum, then dragon is more likely to be town with scum on his wagon. If he's town, then the votes on dragon are not as suspect.
Ah but my suspicions of the players on his wagon are independent of their votes.
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Aero-One reason I'm not concerned about dragon's vikingfan vote is because he expressed suspicion of him here 252 so he didn't just suddenly suspect him only because of a growing wagon. He was suspicious of him before that. Also, posts like this are very typical of him 481. He tends to act like lynchbait in games. Does this mean for sure he isn't scum? No. But I'm not nearly as convinced of his scumminess as I am of vikingfan's. Every one of Vikingfan's posts pings scum to me. I can't ignore that.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 494, Aeronaut wrote:In post 493, SilverWolf wrote: Every one of Vikingfan's posts pings scum to me.
There's five.
I'll agree, post 416 is p bad.
349 Is not good, but it's something that at least five other people have said a variation of.
422, Dragon said almost the exact same sentence a few posts after that.
Etc. The arguments on this wagon are weak AF.
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I voted before 422 so that one isn't included but 416 was the reason I cast my vote for him. It's scummy as fuck and so is 349 because like I've said before it's filler to look like he's saying something, while saying nothing. You also forgot 88 and 23. One of them hops on the most popular wagons with weak excuses-like you are going after dragon for. The other was a scummy RVS vote.
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In post 498, vikingfan wrote:Silver I have zero idea what RVS means. care to explain?
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