NY 192: Game Shop Mafia (Over)

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Pedit yay!

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Fuck off dude if Daves is scum and we had him at L-1 and you tried to shift the wagon I'm absolutely going to be all over that.

LOLOOOLOLLOLOLOLOLOL

LOLOOOLOLOLOLOOLL

LOLOOOOLOLOLLLL

THIS IS WHY I NECER PLAY WITH YOU OF MY OWN CHOICE

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Dave claim

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I like how the p-edit was in the next post

It's how I roll.

I see someone posted and I hit submit anyway.

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I find it bizarre that you're talking like Daves has already scum flipped.

Except I'm not.

But way to set me up as a mislynch tomorrow.

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VOTE: Dave

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internet cut out here at the beach.

Dave is scum lol.

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Anyway - I was typing to RC there's no effing way this is scum me.

As Aero has pointed out, town me pissed people off and throws reads around like Santa giving presents. You even played with me in Refraction and saw it first hand.

Scum me is cool calm and collected.

My meta is so divisive it's way too hard time emulate, try as I might when I'm scum. Jar jar provided a pretty solid meta read of me too. So argue with those two RC about how I'm scum. It won't work.

I'd happily lynch both Dwlee and Dave still. That's not changing.

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Yes, it's a fake hammer. Amazing how many people think that's funny.
TBH I don't know if it's really a L-1 either, but screw it.

I'm a

town neighbor

, in a hood with Wake and DeathNote. Wake is anti-neighborhood and essentially told us to piss off. DeathNote asked what he should claim, BP or fakeclaim something else. No idea whether the BP is real or if it was also fake to see what I'd do when he mentioned it.

Hmm.

Will need to see how wake reacted to neighborhoods in delicious mafia 2

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Yeah, I just got to a post in delicious where wake used neighborhoods in his own game.

And he seemed fine with the neighborhoods in delicious.

Note he want in a neighborhood bough.

Also Of note: he's hardly posted here and made a kind of meh case on Dwlee.

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As someone that loves to use neighborhoods in my own games, I'm reluctant to try to pin scum based on who is in the hood.

I don't think anyone is doing that.

I'm trying to decide if Wake or DN could be scum based on PLAY here.

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In delicious people chastised wake for playing to his scum meta byvlowbpost count but wake eventually picked it up and did a lot of town wall posting.

He has not done so here and his push on Dwlee gives me heebie jeebies that I'm wrong about Dwlee.

DN is probably town....I think (?)

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The associative is Dwlee giving wicked a townread for starting the dave wagon.

I'm not sure how that makes Dwlee confscum if Dave flips scum.

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It more hinges on Dave's alignment, though. Although I'd also like to hear from both of those people before anything else happens.

Definitely.

But I'm pretty sure Dave is scum for outing all that anti-town info.

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I mean, there's literally row possibilities for what DN can be right now.

Third party/secone scum faction is one option.

The other is BP as Dave pointed out.

BP jives with DN's early PR claim.

Dave had zero reason to out that info if town if he had paid attention to DN's play at all.

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Row = two

Phone

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If there's two deaths tonight though, I recommend stringing DN up immediately.

Wake where?
DN where?

I don't trust the attempt to flashwagon Dwlee at all.

If Daves flips scum please look at Aero and Frog again tomorrow.

And you called me out for lining up lynches, Mr. Hypocrite?

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It also does is no good for Dave to out DN's BP even if DN is third party/second scum because we figure that out pretty quickly and easily anyway.

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The other is BP as Dave pointed out.

*town BP

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Lining up mislynches.

Mislynched plural?

So you believe (or know) Dave is town? Yet you're voting him?

Also, lol at this lining up lynches crap.

Unless you think me, RC, and Jar are all scum then clearly town line up lynches too.

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Yes, it's a fake hammer. Amazing how many people think that's funny.

The salty reaction I expected from scum.

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Of all the BP roles I've seen, SK is far more prevalent than either town or mafia.

LOL

aero makes scum BP a lot

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So you just outed a potential gambit by death because youre trying not to get roped?

THIS

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Of all the BP roles I've seen, SK is far more prevalent than either town or mafia.

LOL

aero makes scum BP a lot

I kind of assumed everyone did

I also love scum neighborizers. I think every single game I've had reviewed involves the reviewers yelling at me for a few pages about how everyone hates neighborhoods and I'm bad for even considering having them.

Scum neigjborizer a are fantastic.

That's how I knew Kop was scum in delicious tho

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Ok both wake and DN have chimed in.

Can we deliver Dave a Christmas hammer?

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And what are those reads?

I'm 100% town so why should people listen to you about me?

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If I vote dave now, can we please not forget about dwlee tomorrow?

Aero's wish is my command

VOTE: Dwlee

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VOTE: DeathNote

We are going to have to deal with DeathNote at some point in time because otherwise he rides a BP claim to lylo and just no kills if third party. Since he's not providing any substantial scumhunting right now in response to RC's questioning it's good to get him to do something to sort his alignment now.

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Vote: Cow

Unexplained vote on cow.

Explained as...

Whatever, there was already a moment in which I thought cow said something sketch and called him out on it. That's why I was willing to jump on that vote.

Yet in the ISO I don't see where DN called out cow.

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Yeah, but I also feel like that's why DN is going for cow.

The easy lynch he doesn't have to defend his vote on. But I'm gonna make him justify it.

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You both idiots if you think there are two scum inside of the neighborhood.

Scumposting

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...that was my point?

Cool, so we're agreeing

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Vote: Cow

Unexplained vote on cow.

Explained as...

Whatever, there was already a moment in which I thought cow said something sketch and called him out on it. That's why I was willing to jump on that vote.

Yet in the ISO I don't see where DN called out cow.

DN show me this supposed post before your vote of cow in 480 where you called out Cow

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both still wrong and really reaching at straws here.

Except we're really not.

RC and I both seem to be coming to similar conclusions at similar times so I'm pretty comfortable that we have a legit push here.

The only thing that gives me hesitation is Dave calling out your BP which makes sense with you claiming PR so early D1 to try to draw the NK. Seems you and Dave are not aligned together, but that doesn't mean you aren't 3p

So make a case on Cow or the pressure stays.

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^cows last posts was a bunch of nothing. What was your intentions when you posted that?

Here it was.

I missed it

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Wake can verify the hood stuff so I'll take it as truth unless Wake says otherwise.

VOTE: Dwlee

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That would be an awesome mechanic.

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DN isn't scum.

He's only town or 3p

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*scum I mean groupscum

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@Jar

Oh, for some reason I thought the case on dave was zully.
similiar avatars I guess. Okay, nosferatu's case, same thing. lol

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Yep, exactly

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Dwlee = scum, DN = 3p

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^this, only one death means one killing faction.

You really don't believe this do you?

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That's like the dumbest thing I've ever read.

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I can't believe its only 1 scum group in game. it must be a sk-mafia or mafia - mafia

I think its the first.

Why do you believe it ant be only a single scum faction?

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*cant

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This is a game based off knowledge and what we know is that there was only one kill. Until a second one happens, you have no right to say otherwise so yeah, I believe that.

Cool, so you're gonna no kill all game until the night before Lylo or something

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Why are you answering for her?

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Last scum?

So you're saying there's only three scum?

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And dont be bad. JarJar is town.

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K tl;dr we're never lynching FA this game.

bye.

vote: Fa

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Still think pisskop could be scum

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FA is fairly obvious scum. We'll know if she is scum because she gets chainsawwy about partners and talks like she knows her endgoal and plays emtional tag.

Now that you think she's obvious scum, can you show us where she's done these things?

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Pisskop had a little burst of activity and faded when it didn't yield anything. I have never seen him fail to attack something as town. It might not be a good attack and I usually scumread him for it, but it's consistent. The fact he's not doing anything speaks even louder than not doing anything that I would see as scummy.

eww. Can you do me a solid and read my scum meta?

its all in the wiki.

Yeah maybe not.

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Even beterr idea; make a case on me and stop avoiding questions.

I'm not avoiding questions

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I dont bye it.

RC doesnt know how to read FA. Plain and simple.

I'll let you two duke it out about FA

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I sunk dave.

This is the funniest thing I've ever seen.

You did far from that:

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Better idea; what do you think of FA's hammer

I saw your wall quote of it and it didn't strike me as odd one way or the other.

What struck me as odd was her saying "Yay I hammered scum" like she wanted to take some credit for it.

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I'm war art of her sheeping me and I'm wary of her multiball theory.

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War art = wary

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PK - The biggest thing I was worried about you was explaining my D1 behavior to Dwlee for me.

Do you still think Keyser is scum?

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there are other things that could have happened to the kill but me.

But you?

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I'm laughing at Zulfy.

Your "case" on FA in large part is that she's scum because RC is scum.

Preflip associative can be OK as a last supporting factor, but not as a whole case.

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my suggestion is to lynch this girl, see how she flips and then lynch RC accordingly.

And if RC wants to call anyone out for liking up lynches, this should be it.

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*lining

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Zulfy says he's not drunk but this "case" is some of the worst shit I've ever read.

VOTE: Zulfy

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If you weren't talking like Dave had already scum flipped, then why did you assume that RC was setting you up for a mis-lynch today? (because his point against you is only valid if dave is scum)

Got me there.

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I want to vote Zul but my instincts are telling me this is just a choatic town. Honestly one of the few times I would say VI.

So can you give us your thoughts on who is scum and why?

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Yeah, FA if scum will be really obvious further on down the line so I'm not motivated to lynch her right this second

Can Frozen Angel be "obvious" scum on Day One?


VOTE: Zulfy
Posting but not involved.

Were you paying attention to when the posts occurred? I could buy in to "not involved" as a scumtell but there would need to be something to be involved in at that time.

Ew

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And if you're taking that as a serious claim, can you answer this now?

I'd love for you to speculate on what possible answer he could have for "why are you stating that you won't get lynched?"

I have one idea for what he could say. But I'm not going to openly speculate because I want him to come up with his own answer.

Saying you have an idea is bad, but if Wicked is fishing, this is fishing squared. The only answer should come from the person who made the statement in the first place.

Ew

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If Wicked is town trying to catch scum DM in a lie, isn't it clear that DM has to be the one to answer in order for the question to work?
If Wicked is town who thinks DM is town, isn't it clear that neither one should answer? And town should let it go instead of keeping it part of the conversation.
And if Wicked is scum and speculates, he might find out if that's actually the role or not based on reactions.

My point is that it seems to hurt town more to press this than it helps. What's the scenario that it helps?

Ew

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I am scumhunting. My way of scumhunting is not popular and I get lynched a lot over it. My D1 reads are typically atrocious.
There's no need to "get a claim ready". Claiming what you actually are takes no prep.

My next task is to look back at who jumped me for "voting a popular wagon" and who that wagon was on.

Wow, that was quite a lot to catch up.

The impression I'm getting through the last several pages is that dwlee is scum caught for the wrong reason.
First there may have been some misinterpretation of his stance about vote hopping being scummy.
That got cleared up and he's taking heat for an opinion which goes against the grain a bit.
Having a position which is "wrong' compared to the norm isn't scummy per se, but the reaction certainly looks it.

VOTE: Dwlee99

This feels like opportunistic scum...

Unvote. Vote: davesaz

Wicked was the one. At this point Dwlee didn't even have a wagon to speak of, that wagon had already evaporated, so I don't think it's especially useful info.

Ew

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My setup thoughts;
1. Almost certainly just one team - probably three members. Maybe an SK.
2. The neighborhood could certainly have more than one scum. No reason to discount that possibility. I've been in a game where a two-person neighborhood was occupied by two scum partners.

There's zero chance this is a three person scum team. How do you get that?

Even less of a chance the three person scum team has two in the neighborhood. But it reads like you want us to suspect groupscum is in the neighborhood.

DN is not scum with Davesaz, that's for sure. So you're saying Wake could be scum with Dave in a 3 person scum team?

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My one idea was that he would say something along the lines of: "This case against me sucks and I know I'm going to convince you guys eventually". That answer wouldn't really make any sense in combination with his other self-deprecating comments, but you asked me to speculate so I did. FWIW tree stump also came to mind even though he explicitly said he wasn't implying anything with his comment.

Ew.

And I don't believe you really thought of treestump. I believe you are claiming you thought of treestump since that's what DN said earlier.

Like treestump never crossed my mind for a moment until DN said it because treestump is not normal and not even really used all that often as one of the non-normal roles in a normal game.

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FWIW, I'm not the kind of player to blatantly stick my neck out for a partner on day 1 and you have no reason to suspect me right now.

JarJar had plenty of reason to suspect you.

Also, you might be the kind of player to WK someone...

That was such a long drawn out defense of DN on D1. Like you knew he wasn't groupscum aligned and you used the evidence to fit an already known read that he's not groupscum.

VOTE: Wicked

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Lol RC see my 1536

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@Wicked, JarJar: I don't mind you trying to sort each other, but there was a question on the table regarding speculation on DN's role (if any). "It" in the quote is the speculation...

My point is that it seems to hurt town more to press this than it helps. What's the scenario that it helps?

FWIW, I don't want to discuss this anymore and hope my posts on this page end the conversation about DN role claiming.

Ew. If I hadn't ew'd this one yet.

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@Wicked, JarJar: I don't mind you trying to sort each other, but there was a question on the table regarding speculation on DN's role (if any). "It" in the quote is the speculation...

My point is that it seems to hurt town more to press this than it helps. What's the scenario that it helps?

FWIW, I don't want to discuss this anymore and hope my posts on this page end the conversation about DN role claiming.

Wow, that was quite a lot to catch up.

The impression I'm getting through the last several pages is that dwlee is scum caught for the wrong reason.
First there may have been some misinterpretation of his stance about vote hopping being scummy.
That got cleared up and he's taking heat for an opinion which goes against the grain a bit.
Having a position which is "wrong' compared to the norm isn't scummy per se, but the reaction certainly looks it.

VOTE: Dwlee99

This feels like opportunistic scum...

Unvote. Vote: davesaz

Funny thing.

Wicked never pushed Davesaz the rest of the day phase after this vote park. I think wicked bussed early and didn't want to hop off after momentum built on Dave, but also didn't want to encourage others to get on the Dave wagon (hence no real pushing on Dave after this)

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Damn multi quote on phone. That first quote shouldn't be there in my post above

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Yeah fuck me.

I missed 882

UNVOTE:

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Ok these similar avi's are going to kill me

VOTE: Wicked

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And yes I agree nos is obvtown

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RC

1541, 1543, 1544, 1548

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I think he was trying to diffuse things with you, which is what I'd probably do if I was scum and you were in the game.

He also diffused the me/Dwlee 1v1 as TvT.

It's possible I'm wrong, but I just done believe treestump crossed his mind as something DN could be when DN dropped the PR hint.

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He spent most of D1 justifying DN as town which strikes me as odd. Town had no reason to town defend DN there but instead to put pressure and he just casually town reads DN like he knew DN wasn't groupscum.

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Fine.

Whatever.

Jesus fuck.

UNVOTE:

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What do you make of Wicked and jar both taking the VI stance on Zulfy?

I think someone else did too.

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I want to vote Zul but my instincts are telling me this is just a choatic town. Honestly one of the few times I would say VI.

DN too

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Why is everyone willing to dismiss Zulfy as VI?

I find myself not agreeing with my strong town reads today (RC on Wicked, Jar on Zulfy) and it's frustrating me.

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Do you think you have something or not? I'm perfectly open to changing

I thought I did but you haven't agreed with a lick of it.

I'm not going to sit here arguing with a strong townread of mine right now about a read that you're completely opposite me on because I'm very clearly getting flustered and I'll just end up like I did in Refraction.

We've got other fish to fry and can come back to Wicked if circumstances warrant it.

I agree PK has concerned me but I can't pinpoint why. I hated how he sort of buddied me D1 in explaining my naked votes to Dwlee. PK never even questioned my alignment through all that. Just compared me to Mollie and said he'd sort me that way. Which is fine because I do think my town game has some Mollie nuances, but our scum games are nothing alike.

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I find it odd he is pushing FA as scum given both you and him have very strong meta with FA.

And I'm strong town reading you. You pushed Dave and I hated how PK hopped on to Dave then tried to take credit for Dave

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It makes me want to sheep it.

you should sheep it then?

I guess.

cant you just consider my vote on him?

if you're okay with me prod dodging until you get lynched if it flips scum, yes.

vote: davesaz

<3

Then

I sunk dave.

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IDK.

I need to step away.

I feel like half the game could be scum again.

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if he is town , I must be scum?! he has no case against me!

Why does Zulfyvhave to have a case on you if you are scum?

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I'm FUCKING TOWN AND YOU KNOW IT. why are you playing with words?

Scum hunt.

Talk to me about your scumreads instead of OMGUS everyone who mentions you could be scum.

What do you think of Dwlee? You voted him earlier this day phase.

What do you think of Wicked?

What do you think of PK?

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SCUM
if he is town , HE IS THE WORST TOWN PLAYER EVER

So if someone scum reads you they are the worst town ever?

Stop screaming and shouting and AtE'ing and fucking scumhunt.

Give us reasons why people are scum instead of screaming at everyone they are dumb and that you're town. It helps nobody.

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@Frozen Angel. Here were your reads on Day One.

I'm town reading Dweele and Fro99er so hard atm because of the degree of scum hunting.

RC is likely town. I expected more tunneling , but it wasn't that bad so far.

I have no idea about pisskop and keyser atm. I guess Keyser is scum because of lacking of gif's ! (kidding!) but seriously I think so careful about his posts. He is trying to don't take a serious stand and talk to others from that view.

Can you explain why your read on Dwlee99 has changed from "town reading so hard" to "scum". Please highlight the scum-indicative behaviour/posts.

Not responding to all this shit that happened while I was asleep, but I noticed this too.

Has this been responded to yet?

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@Frozen Angel. Here were your reads on Day One.

I'm town reading Dweele and Fro99er so hard atm because of the degree of scum hunting.

RC is likely town. I expected more tunneling , but it wasn't that bad so far.

I have no idea about pisskop and keyser atm. I guess Keyser is scum because of lacking of gif's ! (kidding!) but seriously I think so careful about his posts. He is trying to don't take a serious stand and talk to others from that view.

Can you explain why your read on Dwlee99 has changed from "town reading so hard" to "scum". Please highlight the scum-indicative behaviour/posts.

@Frozen Angel. Here were your reads on Day One.

I'm town reading Dweele and Fro99er so hard atm because of the degree of scum hunting.

RC is likely town. I expected more tunneling , but it wasn't that bad so far.

I have no idea about pisskop and keyser atm. I guess Keyser is scum because of lacking of gif's ! (kidding!) but seriously I think so careful about his posts. He is trying to don't take a serious stand and talk to others from that view.

Can you explain why your read on Dwlee99 has changed from "town reading so hard" to "scum". Please highlight the scum-indicative behaviour/posts.

Dave flip

his today response about ignoring the flips.

This is BS you scum read him before he said that.

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This was the worlds worst read

I don't even care about this game rn.

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4 maf or 3+SK

No way it's solo 3. It's 3 maf for 13 on this site.

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Could see 3+traitor.

I think O've seen traitor mentioned here so I should probably look into who discussed that because they could be maf traitor. That's like 3.5 maf which would be acceptable.

I know that's how I found my traitor the one time I was scum trying to find my traitor...look at the people who brought it up (I get that by me bringing it up people could spin this back on me, but I'm going to find who brought it up instead).

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Nvm. Nobody mentioned traitor here.

Thought I remembered someone did but it wasn't this game.

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So its FA/Key/Drinks. ok

Explain these reads.

I don't get them.

I have no idea why people think Jar is scum.

Someone explain (pisskop, RC, Nero)

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VOTE: Dwlee

Theres your scum kiddo

Explain.

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Funny.

JarJar was scumreading Dwlee and Dave all game and I was the one who flipped from lightly town reading Dwlee to pushing him at Dave's L-1.

So why does that make Jar scum for voting his scum read all game?

I don't buy Dwlee was a scum driver counter wagon for a second because I know I'm town, Aero flipped town, and JarJar is a very strong town read who is playing like he did in my prior town game with him.

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Dwlee could very well be a second scum.

Hence why there was no more support for it beyond the three of us, of which two are conftown (to me) and one very strong town read to me.

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Sigh.

FA went from super super strong town read on Dwlee to light scum read after the flip.

For a crap reason.

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@Frozen Angel. Here were your reads on Day One.

I'm town reading Dweele and Fro99er so hard atm because of the degree of scum hunting.

RC is likely town. I expected more tunneling , but it wasn't that bad so far.

I have no idea about pisskop and keyser atm. I guess Keyser is scum because of lacking of gif's ! (kidding!) but seriously I think so careful about his posts. He is trying to don't take a serious stand and talk to others from that view.

Can you explain why your read on Dwlee99 has changed from "town reading so hard" to "scum". Please highlight the scum-indicative behaviour/posts.

Dave flip

his today response about ignoring the flips.

But Dwlee's response came AFTER FA started scum reading him for no reason.

So FA is making up an after the fact reason.

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Fuck multi quote

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So you think I'm scum partner with you?! this is new!

HE HAS NO FLIP INFORMATION and NO READ. and he is finding scum teams here?!

I'm FUCKING TOWN AND YOU KNOW IT. why are you playing with words?

Scum hunt.

Talk to me about your scumreads instead of OMGUS everyone who mentions you could be scum.

What do you think of Dwlee? You voted him earlier this day phase.

What do you think of Wicked?

What do you think of PK?

HE NEEDS TO DIE. CONSIDER THIS AN OMGUS. IT IS AN OMGUS. AND I REALLY DON'T CARE.

HE FUCKING NEEDS TO DIE.

about Dwelle : I want to see if he is going to post at all. I thought a little pressure there could be useful to let me start analyzing his slot.

about Wicked I think there is a great possibility of him being dave's scum partner based on the posts you already quoted.

and about PK. I can't read trolls. whenever he started to play, I might be more helpful.

I see JJD , RC , Fro99er as town.

Dweele as null scum lean. I'm waiting for anything about him in day 2.

Wicked , as a claimed miller an be ignored for another day. But I think we need to look at him specially becuase of his claim - and his possible relationship with dave

I'm scum reading DN atm

and more than him I think zulfy and piss are really mafia and this jump on me is preplanned.

plus I want Nero to share his reads atm.

pedit : whats your read on DN and Wicked?

ok so your not going to consider dave and aero flips to reanalyze him? you feel its useless?

Last question directed at Dwlee.

Then Dwlee ignores them FA makes up the reason she started scum reading Dwlee for not answering even though she flipped her read of Dwlee BEFORE Dwlee answered

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Either they are both scum or one is scum one is town.

Both are not town.

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Also I don't care if people accuse me of rolefishing. I wanna know what the fuck this was about?

vote:FA

Wicked is town

Why tell us wicked is town right now?

I want you to have one less mislynchable player

Is this the worlds worst cop claim or what? Can you explain yourself?

Jar, if this was a cop claim there's no way Nero got a town result on the claimed Miller.

Still, Jar is town.

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Hi Mollie.

We lynched scum Dave D1, but not until I led a counter wagon on Dwlee at L-1. It was me Aero and Jar. Aero flipped town, Jar is strong town to me, and I'm town. All three of us were scum reading and voting Dave too.

Go look and see if you think Jar I are scum, because I really think it was a town driven counter wagon on a second scum.

Nero, RC, and Pisskop are all softly pushing Jar without really making a case.

Nero and PK have both your slot and Jar as scum.

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All three of us were scum reading and voting Dave too.

Aero wasn't voting Dave but was cum reading. Otherwise what I said is accurate. Aero flipped town anyway so yeah.

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Mollie.

I thought FA was town until she flipped out and started to make up a read on Dwlee.

Now I'm just not sure.

I do believe either your slot or Dwlee's slot is scum. Possibly both but I don't think so. I believe Dwlee is scum and you are town if I was forced to pick between you two.

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Dave flipped scum neighbor in a hood with Wake and DN.

DN is a bulletproof (outed by Dave in dave's claim). Either town or 3p. Definitely not Dave's buddy.

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Mollie. Start reading from 1056 through Dave's lynch.

I start my Dwlee case there while Dave was at L-1.

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oh I am town. this slot is defo town. what did frozen do that made you think that she was scum? if she flipped out that is more likely to come from townflail rather than scumflail and I feel like you shld somehow know this.

what is scummy about dwlee thing

Jesus Christ Mollie I said read from 1056 re Dwlee and I said I think your slot is town until the flail whe the Dwlee read flip FA did made no sense!

Don't try to throw shade at me that I should know better about FA. I've never played with her.

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Why wouldnt it? Scum will hang themselves or thei friends.

Is frogger functionally different thant pirate mollie?

ffs.

Their styles seem similar. I suppose frogger is lesswell known and perhaps more conservative about it, but they strike me a similiar playing styles.

Im approaching you like I would mollie. Which is to sit back and let you hang yourself if scum.

Mollie you might find these interesting.

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Pisskop talking about me.

Sorry for out of order on those posts. Phone.

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jesus christ froggy I wasn't throwing shade I am asking you cos I value your opinion. what is wrong with you?

Nothing's wrong with me.

When you tell me I should know better and I don't I feel insulted.

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Dont worry about Nos mollie. HE'S the one that actually sank dave. not pisskop.

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Also, all respect to Mollie, but our scum games are nothing alike, even though I think we're both really good as scum in our own way.

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She is making points PK.

Your point about her meta you haven't backed up one bit.

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Like do you want Mollie to sit here and make a massive case on someone righ after she replaced in?

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Your point about her meta you haven't backed up one bit.

Are you kidding me? what point?

The point about her scum meta that you are fabricating!

The point that I should know better about FA newbtown flailing.

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I am sorry!

its just that I have high standards for you cos I think you are awsum. I think you are turning out to be a force to be reckoned with in games.

has pisskop been like this all game?

Yes, PK has. I do NOT for a second understand PK's scum read of Jar.

And you're fine. I appreciate you think I'm actually not half bad at this game.

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Im approaching you like I would mollie. Which is to sit back and let you hang yourself if scum.

Pisskop. Why do you think mollie would do this? What are you basing it on?

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You said her scum meta is to let her hang herself if scum and you projected that on to me.

Two things of which I know are false.

Did you not see Mollie is up for a scummy for best scum play?

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POST 115!

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Im approaching you like I would mollie. Which is to sit back and let you hang yourself if scum.

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Im approaching you like I would mollie. Which is to sit back and let you hang yourself if scum.

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Im approaching you like I would mollie. Which is to sit back and let you hang yourself if scum.

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so why did we ignore dwlee for literally voting because of drama? It's certainly more scum indicative than anything FA's done.

Yes!

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I would not be surprised at all with a Dave-Dwlee-PK scum team and DN SK

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It was 7 pm est

I felt that their emotion was scum-indicative nos.

Scumposting.

Why did you feel that it was scum indicative.

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so why did we ignore dwlee for literally voting because of drama? It's certainly more scum indicative than anything FA's done.

Yes!

Is this directed at me?

Where did I ignore dwlee?

Not directed at you PK.

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DN SK

JHC

Can somebody finally explain this? Where is a shred of evidence of an SK

There is none right now.

But I said I wouldn't be surprised given DN's play/claim.

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VOTE: Dwlee

Can we just lynch scum plz

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All i see here is a bunch of social alliances that is more about defending the person instead of analysing the slot. can we not do that?

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SOCIAL ALLIANCES.

MOLLIE ABD JAR CAN TELL YKU I WILL TEY TO SORT THEM TO MO END

I MISLYNCHED MOLLIE D1 IN NUMBERS SO I HAVE ZERO FUCKING PROBLEM LYNCHING HER IF I THONK SHES SCUM.

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Infucking sound like Ika right now.

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Let mollie say things that are town and Ill townread her.

Lets not townread sass, because thats fakeable

Don't tell me how to read Mollie.

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Jar!

ILY

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If jar is scum I will eat my shorts and poop them out whole.

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Mollie!

Can we lynch Dwlee instead?

Or at least go read my case soon pls?

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Dwlee and PK are both scum.

I'm cool w that.

Jar Keyser and Nos, we need to et this townbloc rolling.

RC thinks Jar could be scum so even though I know RC is town I can't have RC in the voting bloc.

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pisskop point to a game where you have seen me hang myself as scum.

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Mollie - PK tried to diffuse a 1v1 between me and Dwlee as TvT.

They are scumbuddies

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VOTE: Pisskop

It is absolutely relevant.

Now I am going to clean my cat shit out of this bathtub and take a break.

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Show me where I said this was your scum meta?

Im approaching you like I would mollie. Which is to sit back and let you hang yourself if scum.

Im approaching you like I would mollie. Which is to sit back and let you hang yourself if scum.

Im approaching you like I would mollie. Which is to sit back and let you hang yourself if scum.

Im approaching you like I would mollie. Which is to sit back and let you hang yourself if scum.

Im approaching you like I would mollie. Which is to sit back and let you hang yourself if scum.

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Youre hanging yourself right now.

So you admit you do believe that is her scum meta.

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Ive said you would hang yourself

Why did you think that?

PK answer this.

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Ive said you would hang yourself

Why did you think that?

Look.

She isnt reading, she isnt trying to read.

Mollie and frogger are impulsive personalities.

Ninja'd


And how does that imply Mollie would hang herself?

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As such, I have faith that they cant hide their alignment.

You're full of shit.

Mollie is nom'd for a scummy for scum play.

My scum play is pretty fucking good dude. My multiple perfect scum wins speak for themselves.

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Dwlee and PK are both scum.

This post is weird for PK to make if they're both scum:

VOTE: Dwlee

Theres your scum kiddo

How?

He's calling you scum Jar.

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And you have no interest in pointing out where she hung herself even though you claimed that's what she does in post 115 before she ever replaced in.

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Dwlee and PK are both scum.

This post is weird for PK to make if they're both scum:

VOTE: Dwlee

Theres your scum kiddo

How?

He's calling you scum Jar.

Jar, I would love this answer.

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He's calling me scum cause of my vote on Dwlee though. He knows dwlee is a very possible lynch today or tomorrow. If Dwlee flips red it clears me.

And if dwlee happens to be green then I'm lined up for a mislynch the next day. It's making me rethink my Dwlee read.

Unfollow your line of thinking, but I think you're reading too many levels deep.

I think PK was chainsaw defending Dwlee.

M look how he broke me and Dwlee up as TvT earlier. He needs to paint scum somewhere and right now he's painting it on Mollie and is/was on you for no reason.

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They sat there and fucking whined instead of scum hunting and flipped their read of me.
Why the heck am I scum? Does anyone even have a fricken reason?

Ok and you haven't scum hunted end of day yesterday or any of today either.

What do you think of Mollie?

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Frogger; how much time do we give mollie to read and make content? She hasnt indicated that she's done more than hit the refresh key to stab at me.

We'll give her time. We have like fifteen days or some shit.

Why are you always in a rush to end days?

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Lets get our final wagons of the day in order.

dwlee
wicked
FA
The Cow

And possibly others. But honestly Id support a FA lynch the most rn.

Why were you so quick to rush to a lynch 3 days into a 18ish RL day day-phase? (Notice no Dave in that list)

Why are you rushing Mollie now?

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Frogger; how much time do we give mollie to read and make content? She hasnt indicated that she's done more than hit the refresh key to stab at me.

We'll give her time. We have like fifteen days or some shit.

Why are you always in a rush to end days?

Im not. Im giving her time frogger.

No you keep asking why are we giving her time like we shouldn't be.

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You are literally questioning why she should have time!

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Frogger; how much time do we give mollie to read and make content?

Give her as long as she fucking needs. Why the rush?

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Yup no scum hunting within the 7 hours since day started

Day started more than 7 hrs ago bub.

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yo I wld vote nero before dwlee

Why?

Because they are scumreading you?

Why didn't you even read my Dwlee case?

UNVOTE:

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yo I wld vote nero before dwlee

Why?

Because they are scumreading you?

Why didn't you even read my Dwlee case?

UNVOTE:

What if PK is right and I look like a fool?

Jar.

Talk to me.

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This question is to Jar Jar, Keyzor and Frogger.

Lets say Mollie flips scum, why should I not want you dead?

Because I'm obvtown.

Go look at what aero said about my playstyle and tell me why Aero would lie about that.

Jar and I are OBVIOUSLY trying to figure out the game.

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Jar and I are OBVIOUSLY trying to figure out the gam

Is there a reason you are attaching yourself to jar?

Because I strong town read him, obviously.

He's like an in thread Mason.

I triple dog dare you to try to lynch me though.

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he freaking knows how town herd mentality works.

I just find it kida odd that I asked him why I should town read HIM and he basicly adds on "oh you should town read Jar Jar too!" I mean what?

You've never seen me play. Why do you find it odd?

I townbloc. Go look at mafiaception which we just got nommed for best town play. I found 3 scum the first day but more importantly I found several town players as town and made sure nobody ever lynched them even when some tried to. I hard defend my super strong town reads when I'm town.

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Not bad for a newbie.

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b/c its not something I asked you about so it felt odd to me that you needed to include it.

So you're just going to ignore why I did include it?

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I kinda think Cow is town.

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VOTE: Dwlee

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Also P sure Nero is town.

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To clarify, I don't know Dwlee's play half as well as he asserts.

I'm not sure what to think of the outburst but I really don't like DeathNote's last so I'm staying on it.

You have seen my scum game, this isn't it.

Describe your scum game and link me to one.

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Ugh. Ok I found justified.

UNVOTE:

I still want you to describe your scum play to me.

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Answer me first:

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Describe your scum game.

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It's not that hard a request.

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don't agree with your wagon at all and I think it's developing as a counterwagon to FA here.

Who's the scum voting/pushing Dwlee?

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Ok. Dwlee is prob town. Not in the complete townpile yet.

The two scum games I could fine he was all try hard and posted long paragraphs and stuff. And if he was scum here I think he'd be more accommodating in describing his scum play.

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Mollie why is Dwlee town and why did you say that he's town without even reading my case on him I asked you to read?

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Zulfy. RC is town.

FA hasn't site quit. I know that for a fact.

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froggy why did you think that there was an sk again?

Go read Dave's claim and go read DN's ISO.

DN is a confirmed bulletproof who was in a good with scum Dave and Wake. Logic tells me DN is either town BP or an SK.

DN did some town things like try to draw the NK, but also has done next to no scumhunting aside from an early case on me.

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Good = hood.

It's clear by Dave's claim that Dave and DN are not aligned, so DN is not groupscum with Dave:

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Me or RC?

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I will pay attention to the pisskop thing tomorrow. I do know that the meta comments on our new arrival disturbed me a little bit.

So you read the meta comments but didn't know Mollie was was here?

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Pedit: Who the hell are you?

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Me or RC?

I wld be happy with both of you

Town town town:
Frog Jar RC Nos

Town:
Wake (by neighborhood POE) Keyser

SK/Town:
DN (by Dave's claim and DN's claim)

Town maybe:
Wicked Mollie Dwlee Nero Cow

Scum maybe:
Pisskop Zulfy

Could see moving my read pretty easily on that town maybe section. I've already done so several times.

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Keyser. Just. Ignores. HIS SLIP. And ni one sees it. I called him out on it and then he SAID IT AGAIN.

Examine your feelings.
Are you worked up over it because he said a mislynch is a win, or because

your

mislynch is a win.

The unconscious can betray the conscious. I for one am not ignoring this evidence. But it is more beneficial to town to gather a bunch of evidence than it is to focus too much on one bit.

VOTE: Zulfy

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Wtf is softclaiming indie??

Indie.

Independent.

Third party.


You aren't 3p though.

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Keyser. Just. Ignores. HIS SLIP. And ni one sees it. I called him out on it and then he SAID IT AGAIN.

Examine your feelings.
Are you worked up over it because he said a mislynch is a win, or because

your

mislynch is a win.

The unconscious can betray the conscious. I for one am not ignoring this evidence. But it is more beneficial to town to gather a bunch of evidence than it is to focus too much on one bit.

VOTE: Zulfy

No idea how the quote ended up there.

Was just supposed to be a naked vote with no quote.

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VOTE: Zulfy

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Jar.

What do you think of Zulfy and Zulfy's case on FA?

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So I saw a lot of butthurt for me from some people but not a lot logic.

you poor things.

FA/wicked with a side of DarDar Thats were we should be focused. Does anyone have a real thingy of daves iso?

Hey Pisskop I didn't realize we were friends here.
By the way you never really reacted to my presence much +1.
But a gentle +1

Eeeewww

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RC - is Zulfy town or scum ridiculous?

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i don't know

it depends what FA is

Then join me on Zulfy?

I feel better about that than FA/Mollie.

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I totally agree.

Hence my read list.

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But leaning Zulfy/PK