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Just got to the last page, and two players I've actually played with before have posted things I was actually about to write myself. I find myself nodding my head in agreement, and this puts them in my town pool.
1. Kyou calling out Lapsa for that gibberish post. Wth is that supposed to be? Hyroglyphs? If lapsa wants to write shorthand notes, he can do it on his computer/phone without making a post on it. Use actual sentence structure in threads, or at least make it legible. Lapsa posted a lot of 'happenings' in short hand (for no apparent reason), yet didn't give any actual thoughts about it. What message are you trying to convey Lapsa? Are you attempting to look like you're contributing while actually not doing so? Not all posts are created equal, and #209 alerted my scumdar. It says nothing at all with a lot of words. It's the same as if I posted every post/page number in succession in a huge wall post, and that's it. It says nothing, gives nothing to read, and it's useless fluff. Without thoughts or action, that post alone puts Lapsa in my scum pool. I'll have to ISO to get a clearer picture, but I haven't seen anything useful with the quick read I just did.
2. Alisae voting Cloud. Cloud looks like the scummiest player in the game so far IMO. I will write more on this in another post (on my phone, ease of use difficulties). My overall feeling though is that Cloud is scum. He is definitely pretending to be the vi. Posts look forced, content looks useles/all fluff, no real game evaluation, and he isn't trying to find scum. I can't see how anyone would get a TR off of cloud at the very least, and not knowing his meta, I'd say that this VI throwaway excuse is a bad one. VI = liability/anti-town, and it's a catch-all to remove scummy play. I know I've played the carefree VI as scum in the past, and it works on those who don't read/pay attention/evaluate the game past the current page. It makes the supposed carefree VI look active, but it's not playing the game to lynch scum. It's there to pretend contribution/activity and avoid the lurker suspicion . If he is the VI every game as he claims, then he should reevaluate his play. There are always players that are lynchbait in every game they play, but most at least try their best. Cloud isn't trying at all to be pro-town. Therefore, cloud gets my vote.
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A bad joke, but that's not the point. The real point is you trying to 'joke' your way through the game doing absolutely nothing useful. Jokes are great when you also contribute, but you haven't and don't seem to want to.In post 226, CloudKicker wrote:136 was an obvious joke, stop taking everything so literally-
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I don't use or care about meta. Every good player can and does change their meta to help win games for their alignment. Meta is for either those naive enough to assume people are robots who never change their play/get better, or those policy lynchbait players that don't know how to change. I doubt you're either of those two, so don't bother. You're in this game currently, so I'll judge my reads off of that. They could change, but you are currently my top scum read.In post 241, CloudKicker wrote:I never claimed vi, titus did and its her read on myself not mine. This is my townplay, when im scum i dont aggro the attention of the whole town just to do my show, i can give you 2 game on site that demonstrate that meta.-
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Wrong IMO. Motivation is always simple for scum: don't get lynched, get town lynched. That's it. Everything after that is pointless conjecture. Actions are the process of following win con for both alignments (and third party). Actions are everything. Motivation is a red herring.In post 246, CloudKicker wrote:People are really innaccurate on average on this site and this is one of those reasons, actions are NAI, intention/motivation are AI-
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Actually, I didn't say you're not good? I said I don't think you're bad, so you could easily manipulate meta to work for you rather than against. Meta is an easy defense to scummy play that isn't easily countered. It's not good for town to need meta as a defense, but scum absolutely love it. I will say that if you are always looked at as the VI when town, what causes that, and why don't you switch it up? Maybe you purposely act that way as scum to give a good meta cover? Who knows? Youre basically telling me that I'm giving you too much credit here? I think you're much smarter than you've let on.In post 249, CloudKicker wrote:Its funny, you say that im not a good game so therefore my meta wouldnt change, but you refuse to consider meta to read me.-
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Why is Lapsa obvious town? Obvious? Really? Guess I missed that boat. Please explain why he's town and what makes it so obvious. I find Lapsa scummy, and he has a wagon currently, so you'll have to explain to everyone what the obvious part is they're all missing (unless you think Lapsa's wagon is all scum).In post 133, CloudKicker wrote:
No hes not, he voted obvious town and you say someone fosing obvious town is null because lack of content beep beepIn post 102, Titus wrote:
He's null. Too early.In post 101, Alisae wrote:Titus why do you think Gamma is not a BFF?
Lapsa is obvious town, sonia didnt say hi so ill go and say that its not towny, titus had 2 bad posts, tra-
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This is why I moved to Seattle. I haven't seen snow in two years, and I moved two years ago. Coincidence? Wish I could've flown home for the Cubs parade though.In post 258, Cabd wrote:Fuck Chicago winter.
I'm back and thawing out.
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I'm wondering why. I TR you for evaluating the game though. That's far more than some have done.In post 265, Nero Cain wrote:What do you think of me town reading Lapsa?-
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Can say this about literally any D1 wagon. Why is Lapsa probable town (or obvious town according to Cloud) than probable scum? Do the players on Lapsa's wagon look scummier? Are there any specific posts by Lapsa that give town vibes? Is there anything to look at, be it a string of posts, a vibe, whatever that gives you a 'Lapsa is town' impression rather than just 'this wagon got big too fast, must be scum driven?' Im seriously wondering what it is that makes you all think Lapsa is town. I'll let cloud explain the 'obvious' wording, since he said it. I just want to know why that is the read you came away with, regardless of it being a gut feeling or due to the players on the wagon. What created that TR on Lapsa?In post 271, Nero Cain wrote:I think the Lapsa wagon was shit and wouldn't be surprised to see scum on it.-
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Proving what? That I was at work? Really? So it wasn't a joke post? Lol wow, okay then.
Umm... Okay. My proof is that I own this phone, pay for its service, pay for the wifi internet it's currently using, pay for the apartment my wifi, phone, and body are in, paid for the couch im sitting on, and none of that pays for itself. I live, therefore I make money. I do that at a thing called a job. I don't remember when my OP was that you asked this question, but I know it was before lunch.
So why did you ask this question twice? I assumed it was a joke at first, but you posted it again. Troll post? Or...? If it's serious, then why would you ask me for proof that I work on a weekday? What are you hoping to achieve by even asking it?-
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In post 87, Tywin Lannister wrote:At work so can't post or read anything yet, but confirming. VOTE: Alisae cuz hi! And OMGUS! .
Will read/post at my lunch break
That's what my OP and then Lapsa's question immediately came after it. I assumed that's what it was for, but if it is about Alisae (why didn't he state that? English not his primary language?) not being an alt, then... I don't know aside from playing in a recently finished Newbie game with her, and she seemed to be brand new by the questions, hangups about words/accronyms like 'OMGUS, chainsaw defense, WIFOM, etc) thinking they were scummy buzzwords, and her general demeanor in her first game. I also brought up that she was an alt in that game for seeing Alisea (not Alisae) in the newbie Q. A player looked it up and confirmed both were brand new alts, and she was a new player.In post 88, Lapsa wrote:@Tywin do you mind proving this?
Now, could that be wrong? Sure. My name is new, yet it's an alt only in that I forgot what my original name from around 2009ish or before was. Due to not knowing it, I created a new name, but I haven't played on mafiascum in years. So it's possible Alisae is an alt, but if so, she's a very good actor at playing new. I'd say she is almost certainly not a real alt in terms of experience. I don't think she's a bad player in the same vein as most newbies might be though. She's solid IMO.-
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Doubt casting? I can doubt your read while not calling it AI. I also legitimately don't understand it. You are calling a scummy player town due to non-association with the players voting him. How is that a read? That ignores everything Lapsa does in favor of what someone else has done independent of him instead.In post 286, Nero Cain wrote:
Are you reading anything that I'm saying?In post 280, Tywin Lannister wrote:
Can say this about literally any D1 wagon. Why is Lapsa probable town (or obvious town according to Cloud) than probable scum? Do the players on Lapsa's wagon look scummier? Are there any specific posts by Lapsa that give town vibes? Is there anything to look at, be it a string of posts, a vibe, whatever that gives you a 'Lapsa is town' impression rather than just 'this wagon got big too fast, must be scum driven?' Im seriously wondering what it is that makes you all think Lapsa is town. I'll let cloud explain the 'obvious' wording, since he said it. I just want to know why that is the read you came away with, regardless of it being a gut feeling or due to the players on the wagon. What created that TR on Lapsa?In post 271, Nero Cain wrote:I think the Lapsa wagon was shit and wouldn't be surprised to see scum on it.
I don't think that any of the Lapsa votes were any good and while yes, itcouldbe all really bad town that voted Lapsa but its myOPINIONthat they were scummy votes and thus there's likely scum in there and that's just what scum hunting is. Also Titus is ignoring the fuck out of me like she does as scum.
I don't really like this doubt casting on my reads. Why are you trying so hard to keep Lapsa lynchable but aren't even voting him?
And I like how defensive you got over me asking a simple question about your read. You basically haven't explains it, and yes, I can read. You say Lapsa is town due to his wagon looking scummy. You don't say why they're scummy, and you certainly haven't said why they're scummier than Lapsa. Why are you giving a free pass to an unknown AI player? It's fine to be suspicious of the wagon, but why ignore the player off-hand? You haven't said a word about him, just the players voting him.
Also, I can vote where I'd like. Lapsa isn't scummier to me than Cloud is RN, but my vote may change. At least cloud somewhat pretends to be trying. Lapsa legitimately looks like he wants to be lynched, and I don't know what to make of it yet. I certainly don't TR him for it though, which is why I asked you to explain. Your explanation is 'but but but.. Other players!' You haven't addressed Lapsa or his post quality at all.
Are you saying Lapsa is just useless town? He legitimately asked me to prove I was at work. That's his scum hunting at work. Do you TR posts like that regularly?-
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Now Titus may be scum and Lapsa may be town, but I don't get the association unless you're saying exactly that: Titus is scum therefore Lapsa is town. If that's the case, say it. It's not hard. You're implying it at least, but I can't get a read on anyone without making sure they're saying what I think they're saying. That's why I ask questions.-
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Agree with Elibirn. Answer his questions Lil Uzi. It's only fair.In post 292, Elbirn wrote:
Yeah, nah. You don't get to keep your rvs vote on me, not explain why, and then instead of talking about why you think I'm scum go off on a tangent about alisae instead. Tell the good people of this thread why I'm scumIn post 285, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Well, feels like my vote is in the right place. I do agree with the town read on Alisae though and I'm sure a quick meta dive can confirm how she's been described for those who do TR her. I also like when she posts more seriously, it's attractive. Her questions and reads feel like they're coming from town.
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Way to read my mind as I post about Eliburn and Lil Uzi lol.In post 299, Alisae wrote:Tywin do YOU think Titus is scum? Also what do you think currently of Elbrin and Uzi?
I think Uzi needs to answer Eliburn's question. Why does Lil Uzi think Eliburn is scum?
I don't have much of a read on either RN, but their exchange should tell more. If Lil Uzi keeps avoiding questions, I'd say he's probable scum.-
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Hey, if nobody pressures Uzi to answer basic questions, then he'll skate by forever. I'm just adding my voice behind Eliburn's since it's a more than reasonable request. Vote some out (or keep it there outside RVS) and you should be able to explain why they're scummy. It may not be good reasoning, but either way helps others gain reads. Not answering at all or giving reasons for things is scummy though, so I expect Uzi will reciprocate.-
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Cabd, that makes sense. I do know that when I first read it, I took it at face value. I then scrolled up to see the player you were talking about (not knowing you or your wife), and I then assumed maybe it was an alt that I don't know. I didn't like the claim, but I can't say I haven't seen it before on other forums. I don't know the mafiascum meta as it were, so that point was moot. I'm not sure it's entirely AI mainly due to it being on the first page (first post even if I remember without looking), so it just took a quick scroll up to see there was no player by that name in-game. You could argue town or scum could question it off-hand reall. I'd also say that it took no actual effort to scroll up and see the player list after seeing your post. I didn't have to click on another page to see it.
So that being said, it is somewhat more likely that scum Lapsa tried jumping on it. It could also mean he did what I originally assumed before you posting she was your wife and it was a joke, which is that you were referring to someone's alt.-
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I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for the moment. I'll let him answer. I've missed questions before as town (missed yours a few times last game), so it's entirely possible he missed them. I don't think he can miss it now, so next post or two from him should give a better read.In post 310, Titus wrote:Then why are you treating Uzi with kid gloves?
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Stop posting useless fluff and contribute.
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Okay, so I caught up with my morning coffee.
So for things related to me seem to be this:
1. Titus calls me scum for no reason, then votes Alisae instead. Well, to be fair, her reading was my 'it's only fair' statement, but it's probably one of the most atrocious over-reaches I've ever seen. It's that bad. That was the only reason given by Titus, and it seems the three buddied females have jumped on that reasoning as being amazing, because after that:
2. Alisae starts questioning me/thinking I'm scum after being obviously led by Titus. My favorite post was 390 by far. Apparently, la that Alisae has thought about it, I really haven't done anything except 'thinking Lapsa and Cloud is scum, and that Kyou, Nero, and me are town.' Oh, is that all? Lol. Even if that was all I did this game, it would be more than Titus or Sonia have done. Speaking of the third member in this girl buddy band...
3. Sonia pops up out of nowhere, sheep's Titus by calling me scum, and her reason is also sheeped by giving her reason as my 'it's only fair' statement. Zero originality there. That's some blatant sheeping going on.
All of these three have this in common with ONE outlier: who has asked questions out of all of them? Only Alisae. Titus and Sonia both threw shade on me, and they even asked others to weigh in on me and Alisae (who I TR pretty strongly), yet zero questions have come from her. Titus hasn't asked me anything. She hasn't tried sorting me whatsoever. The same goes with Sonia. She has thrown shade on multiple players, yet she hasn't even once tried sorting a single person. No questions have been asked whatsoever. Titus at least has the ability to lead sheep. Sonia has done zero scum hunting whatsoever and everything she does seems to sheep someone else.
Titus: why haven't you asked me a single question? Why do you continue to ask others to comment on me while you refuse to sort me directly yourself? Are you hoping a wagon forms on me that you can hop on, otherwise why haven't you voted me if you think I'm scum? Why vote Alisae for asking you to explain yourself when throwing shade on me? Do you truly believe my lil Uzi 'it's only fair' comment is a scum tell? I sure as hell don't believe that. It's weak and contrived. We both know that already though.
Sonia: why haven't you asked me any questions? Also, why did you sheep Titus exactly to the T? Do you have no original thought? I find that sheep on atrocious reasonings are almost always scum. What do you think? Also, when ssbm_Kyouko pointed out your blatant buddying with Titus in post #400, you came back in #407 calling him 'not town' for no reason. It was another OMGUS shade throw with zero follow through. You haven't followed any lead or anything you claim to be scummy with any actual questions whatsoever. Also, you claim my post #303 is 'scummy as fuck.' Please explain what in it is scummy. You said it was overly defensive and manipulative. What was I defensive about? Who was I defending against? How does that make any sense whatsoever? I joined in with Elibirn to get Uzi to answer why he thought Elibirn was scum. He never gave a good reason, but regardless, what was there for me to be defensive about? I wasn't being attacked, so why call it defensive? Also, how was it manipulative in a scummy way? Do you know what 'scummy' even is, or only when you're town and not using contrived reasoning to throw shade on players? Why are you chainsaw defending Uzi here? You AND Titus both highly dislike Uzi being questioned. Both of you have attacked me now over me forcing Uzi to answer a basic question. Neither of you seem to have any real questions for me though. Now THAT is 'scummy as fuck' (to quote your own words).
So with all that being said, that puts Titus/Sonia firmly in my scum pool, and Alisae goes in as strong town. Only Alisae has even tried to scum hunt this game. Titus/Sonia can only throw shade using terrible reasoning, while asking zero questions or even pretending to scum hunt. Sonia looks more like the sheep with no originality, while Titus is the Shepard of these misfits. I find it odd that so many of you haven't mentioned it yet. It's extremely blatant. Titus isn't being sneaky about it.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot. VOTE: Titus. I'm willing to bet one of Titus/Sonia are scum at this point. I'd gladiate them like Eliburn pretended if I could. I may get the chance after Kyouko just blatantly said he'd sheep a wagon on me. You people really love lynching town on these forums. The only time scum are ever caught in my games are when I do it myself. I'm not sure why so many are so bad at such easy things like scum reading. To read into my 'it's only fair' statement as being scummy is just ridiculous/bad play. To even assume I'd join in on the Elibirn/Uzi thing as scum period is insulting. Don't project your bad plays into me and think it will work in calling me scummy Titus/Sonia. Try again.-
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Titus/Sonia, be glad I left you questions all in your own paragraph. Alisae's are all mixed up in different posts, and I can't quote everything on my phone.
Alisae: I'll try to answer everything, but if I miss a question, just ask again. I can't switch back to a new page and then type again easily, and it deletes everything I type if I take too long. This forum needs some QoL updates for phones. Nobody uses desktops anymore.
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You discuss my RVS vote and say something about OMGUS. That was a joke. I voted you after you voted me and said 'OMGUS.'
Then you ask what you have to do with Cloud. At the time, you had voted Cloud. I thought Cloud was scummy, and you voting him at the time. I mentioned two players I agreed with so far, and you were one of them. It was a TR basis.
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You ask if I've ever changed my meta. My answer is yes. I could link you to games I do remember from other forums for every alignment (scum, town, third party, cult, 2nd scum team, etc) and you'd probably see that either my play was steady in all AI or looked more strong town than anything, regardless of AI. Honestly, the only 'meta' that stayed constant with me was that I was considered a strong enough player where I'd be NK'd very quickly as town, and as scum, town would start to say things like 'it's day 4 and he hasn't been NK'd yet, must be scum.' I couldn't change the meta of other players affecting me, so in that respect, it didn't change. Staying alive past a certain day phase = scum was not a fun meta to deal with, but they were almost always right.
Then you ask why I thought nobody else would pressure Uzi. Well, have they? I haven't seen anyone else pressure Uzi. I've only seen Titus/Sonia chainsaw defending him. They certainly didn't scum read me before I put my voice behind the Uzi questions, so what change fed? Was it that I said 'it's only fair' as a third party to that fight? That has to be a joke, because it sure isn't a good scum read. It's them reaching for something that isn't there. They're slinging shit into the wind in hopes that something sticks, but I don't believe they truly believe my post was scummy.
Did that answer everything Alisae or was there more? Wait.. The gladiator thing.
No, I didn't believe the Gladiator claim, and the fact that Titus claimed it was a regular role in Mafia means I scum read her ever more. I've played plenty of games with many different setups and absolutely stupid roles (mad scientist/tree stump comes to mind), but I've never once played a 'gladiator' game. Honestly, that claim makes me scum read him too, except it was so outlandish that it has to be taken as a joke. For anyone to truly believe it, they'd have to not know Mafia whatsoever (be brand new). Titus isn't that, so she was defending an outlandish claim in Eliburn for no legitimately good reason. I believe Titus may have said it to hopefully remove suspicion from Eliburn for fake claiming/lying. Lynch all liars used to be the policy here long ago. What changed?-
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Titus is not town.In post 426, Alisae wrote:
The reason here Titus is interacting with me. Titus is evaulating me as scum. Titus is scum hunting. Titus is doing town things. Thus she gets my read as town.In post 423, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:The reason she gives for her intial SR on you, Titus, looks bad. She said you haven't been evaluating the game I think, but the shift to a TR looks like it could be defensive.
I am town.
Lunching me or Titus will prove it. If we have a vigilante, please shoot the other one. If I get lynched, make sure to shoot Titus. You'll thank me later.-
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Alisae, since you like meta, go check all my games. Every game I play in, I catch scum. My reads are almost always good. The scum I go after may not always get lynched right away, but when they do, I get proven right. So lynch me if you want idc tbh, but make sure to lynch/Vigi shoot Titus afterword. Trust me.-
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Why would I care if she's interacting with you? You could be her scum buddy. Titus is calling me scum, not you. So in calling me scum, she needs to ask me questions, not you. And now that you chainsaw HARD for Titus, I question if maybe you two are buddies. It surely isn't a townie move to not let her answer her own questions, let alone letting the focus go off of her.In post 426, Alisae wrote:
The reason here Titus is interacting with me. Titus is evaulating me as scum. Titus is scum hunting. Titus is doing town things. Thus she gets my read as town.In post 423, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:The reason she gives for her intial SR on you, Titus, looks bad. She said you haven't been evaluating the game I think, but the shift to a TR looks like it could be defensive.-
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Townies (why only townies? Scum too) don't like walls because they don't like reading. This is a game about reading and intuition, so not liking it is an oxymoron. Don't play Mafia is you can't handle basic functions like reading and writing. This isn't charades.In post 430, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:But you see how an outsider could also see scum!Alisae is being pushed by town!Titus and decides to attempt to divert Titus by giving her a TR?
Is there a particular reason you think townies don't like wall posts, or was it arbitrary/intuition?
pedit:AI means alignment indicative btw, not just alignment. Saw it used to mean just alignment in an earlier post too I think so pointing it out now.
Also you're blowing up the gladiator claim. Check the wiki, it's a possible role in this setup even though it's not an explicitly normal role. Titus claiming it's a regular role is NAI. I don't think Titus's moonbrain would take the claim seriously until she saw the mod confirm it, at least mine wouldn't
As far as I can tell Titus isn't lying
Also, the gladiator role is not normal. Sorry. You can't turn a falsehood into a truth just by repeating it.
As for your first question, I'm not following what you're asking. Titus is leading the sheep. She isn't voting Alisae seriously. Alisae chainsaws for Titus pretty blatantly however.
As for your AI statement, I used it as Alignment and it was obvious. Why are you fighting semantics? I probably wrote it as AI by mistake, but who cares? It's obvious what my intent was.-
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Sorry. That post WAS a bit defensive in nature. I don't like scum being defended by those sheeping them, and your post piled on with Alisae's. Don't think you are scum though. Sonia can call 432 'defensive' legitimately for once. That's a plus. I don't think she can use the term for the 'it's only fair' post though. It doesn't make sense in the context.-
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Then I misread it. My bad. I assumed it was directed toward me due to the wording and my post being quoted.In post 433, Alisae wrote:
Why do you think the read was directed towards you? Becuase it wasn't.In post 431, Tywin Lannister wrote:
Why would I care if she's interacting with you? You could be her scum buddy. Titus is calling me scum, not you. So in calling me scum, she needs to ask me questions, not you. And now that you chainsaw HARD for Titus, I question if maybe you two are buddies. It surely isn't a townie move to not let her answer her own questions, let alone letting the focus go off of her.In post 426, Alisae wrote:
The reason here Titus is interacting with me. Titus is evaulating me as scum. Titus is scum hunting. Titus is doing town things. Thus she gets my read as town.In post 423, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:The reason she gives for her intial SR on you, Titus, looks bad. She said you haven't been evaluating the game I think, but the shift to a TR looks like it could be defensive.-
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I stand corrected, but the context was about Uzi's vote (or non-removal after RVS) on Elibirn not being explained. I didn't see anyone in-thread support Elibirn's legitimate gripe, so I added my weight behind it. Apparently, that makes me scum according to Titus/Sonia. I don't understand how, but I'll accept it as a reason, however badly contrived it may be. Uzi didn't even give that to Elibirn at the time, so I believed it needed to be addressed. It still isn't satisfactory IMO, but it is A reason. Again, reasons should always be given. Alisae didn't give one for voting me. I believe that needs to be addressed as well.In post 443, Lapsa wrote:In post 427, Tywin Lannister wrote:I haven't seen anyone else pressure Uzi.
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I'm still catching up, but I just noticed this. What 'evidence' did you post to prove I somehow lied?In post 615, Titus wrote:
Anyone who makes up what I said and when confronted with evidence it's not true doesn't back down.In post 608, Cabd wrote:You and I have very different definitions of a lair, Titus. Can you lay out why exactly you feel Tywin should be a major scum read of mine? As for Alisae; not discussing it right now; you don't see it.
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Gladiator thing was null and not really part of my scum read of you aside from the fact that yes, you DID claim it was normal. Your claim is that you said it was real, but that's not how it fit in the context of those posts. The question was 'is gladiator a normal role' not 'is gladiator a real role.' You're shade throwing and completely full of it to even insinuate I lied there. You're pushing an insanely asinine read on me, because you don't have a case and never did. You never will, because I'm town. You will never be able to prove anything that is false, regardless of your terrible logic and emotional appeals to other players. It's quite the straw man. You trying to 'lead' town I to mislynches will ultimately be your downfall. You are scum and you know I'm on to you.
What was the other claimed lie? That you didn't ask me questions? I asked you to repeat them in a subsequent post, since I never once found any questions from you. Your response was to say 'but I did ask! You lie! Oh, but I don't need questions to read you.' That was it. You never ONCE reposted any questions, so without actual proof, I will continue to say you didn't. Following that, I propose to call you the liar here. You're lying about me and misrepresenting the entire sequence of events to twist into me being scummy. People aren't stupid and can read, unfortunately for you. Try again scum. Misrepresent some more. By your own definition, it means you're a liar yourself. Foot in mouth disease. i hope it isn't contagious.-
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Not on this page yet, but will get to it soon. The problem with calling someone a liar is you better be damn sure you can prove it, and you haven't, because I didn't. Also, don't post something as 'proof' that just so happens to be far after the fact and later than your continual posts calling me a liar. Nice misrepresentation, again. Scummy as fuck. You def aren't town. If you were, you'd read the game and use real logic instead of continuously pushing a mislynch on the person who calls you out.
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Clicked on your 628 post. Oddly enough, none of your links in that post work. Hmm. Looks like you again hope that nobody reads your lies. Scum tactic. Common scum mistake to push a wagon on a townie by trying to 'catch them' with gotcha moments, and barring that, to misrepresent the sequence of events in an attempt to throw shade their way. Most town won't go back and double check every post or thing you claim, so they assume it's true. The problem you have is that I remember the context of what happened. You literally had to go searching for things to respond with almost 10 pages later (looks like) than my accusation against you. Funny.-
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I think you really, really don't like that I'm calling you out. Your personality is the type to want to take charge, but you can't lead the sheep when your integrity is called into question. Best get rid of the townie that does so, right? The problem you're really in is that when I flip, be it lynch or an NK by your scum team, it only incriminates you further. I'll gladly trade a 1 for 1 with scum, and I'd say you're strong scum who likes to throw her weight around. You can't bully everyone however, and so that's why you push me so hard-
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Lol you sound like me. This game is moving extremely fast. 38 pages on Day 1 is a lot. I mean, I was halfway caught up last night before I had to leave for my work's holiday party, and i think I stopped somewhere between page 23-26 to respond to Titus' continuous claim that I lied (I didn't). Regardless, I left for the party and come back on today and it's now 12 more pages. Considering how most players don't like reading anything longer than a sentence, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them skip it all together and either quit or just go to the last page and post whatever. I'll read it all and catch up, but I have no such hopes that everyone will.In post 938, Cabd wrote:Game is dead for almost half the day now. Lurkers have no excuse to not be caught up. Come on, hop in and DO SHIT.
As a side note: THIS is why wall posts are better than 50 split posts. 36 pages looks more daunting to read than 10 or less pages of wall posts. People complain about walls, but then they post 30 times to say the one thing the wall could have.-
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Like Alisae for instance seems to dislike wall posts, but she posts one sentence a damn post. Then writes a following post with another sentence. She splits questions up intended for the same player into multiple posts. It's absolutely ridiculous and bad form. It takes a shit ton of effort to quote multiple posts on a phone. Stop it. If you have questions for someone, put them all in the same post-
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AJ picks the easiest players to call scum here. That's not a real analysis. He simply went with the two players most won't disagree with in a way that requires explaining. AJ hasn't done anything all game as far as I've seen, unless I missed something between the last 12 pages (will catch up soon regardless). The guy is skating by and is half-hearting these bs reads.
AJ: why am I scum? Why is Alisae scum? Why do you have two scum reads, but can't seem to get reads on more than half the game? Please explain all the reads you half heartedly slapped together.-
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Being paranoid is fine, but it isn't when you specifically name two players as scum and ignore absolutely everyone else in the game. When I eventually flip town (and I WILL get lynched this game, because half the game is full of teenagers that don't know what they're doing, call things that aren't scummy as being scummy, and write 39 pages of almost completely useless content that frankly is annoying af), what will you do? If Alisae also flipped town, you'd be down two townies with absolutely zero reads. The few reads you did claim just now are at the very least half-wrong, so if both players are town, you're awful at this. Just saying.In post 951, Aj The Epic wrote:
"Can't get a good read" isn't true. I'm just a paranoid player and therefore don't like to have a townlist I don't trust.Tywin Lannister wrote:AJ picks the easiest players to call scum here. That's not a real analysis. He simply went with the two players most won't disagree with in a way that requires explaining. AJ hasn't done anything all game as far as I've seen, unless I missed something between the last 12 pages (will catch up soon regardless). The guy is skating by and is half-hearting these bs reads.
AJ: why am I scum? Why is Alisae scum? Why do you have two scum reads, but can't seem to get reads on more than half the game? Please explain all the reads you half heartedly slapped together.
I've discussed Alisae and you for scum. Until you respond there, I'm of no need to do your busy work. You either read it or you don't.
Furthermore it's completely on you not to be an 'easy target', aka someone who can be easily scum read. Alisae isn't necessarily that either, as certainly there's not exactly popularity for her lynch before I started discussing it. One vote on, from Nos in RVS. At peak, 3 votes on.
P-edit: Gamma's more suspect for what he HAS said, those 2 just haven't said much.
Honestly, I have half a mind to just vote myself off just so I can get out of this clusterfuck of a game. These players have no idea what they're doing, and my role is worth Jack shit anyways. It bothers me that there are 39 pages on D1 and none of it is worth a damn. An extremely dedicated player could possibly sort through this mess to find the ONE diamond in all this crap, but I'm not that player. Adults write condensed posts with real content, but these people say one thing in 50 posts, post questions to the same person in multiple posts, and can't seem to gather any logical thought on what is truly going on. This game is depressing to play in tbh.
I just don't see much of a point to be active and read everything only to have to defend myself against illogical non-reasons. The only thing I've ever seen from anyone to call me scum is from one post where I said 'it's only fair' that Uzi answer Elibirn's question. That apparently was the scum tell of the century for these people, because they don't have a clue as to what scummy is or isn't. It's a joke. There's no defending against idiocy, and I can't change the minds of those who are either scum or just ignorant, so there's nothing to really be invested about in this game for me.
That's my $0.02. The only reason I even halfheartedly pay attention now is because it's disrespectful to not do so for the good players here. I see you guys, and I know you've complained about the speed of the game, useless ridalin-fueled posts, and illogical reasoning going on as well. I welcome you to vote me if you think I'm scum for absolutely no reason, but realize that when I do flip town, you followed like sheep without ever having a reason to do so. Bad wagons need to be addressed, but they never are by bad players. Mob mentality is one of the side-effects of Mafia, and mob mentality always sucks.-
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+1. Thank you for recognizing this. I say it every game it seems, but meta is used way too much as reasons for votes in mafiascum. They're usually bad reasons.In post 842, Cabd wrote:Speaking as somebody who lived the life of a meta player for years: meta is only valid if the person in question does not know their tells. If a person is aware of their meta, it's useless.
That being said, Alisae is going hard defending Titus during the past couple pages up to this point. Why? Why do people TR Titus so much? Her trying to be town leader doesn't mean she's town. Her play is largely in-line for what I usually do as scum, which is attempt to be town leader and force mislynches. I still see her as the strongest scum read in the game. Alisae defending her tooth and nail is definitely bothering me though. Why is she doing it? Nero adds one vote to Titus and Alisae chainsaws HARD for Titus. Why?-
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+1In post 912, Lapsa wrote:FYI: Titus is scum.-
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It already launched a while ago?In post 1004, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm getting the NES Classic the morning it launches.-
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I like this list, minus me on the scum side. I also don't think Lapsa is scum. He's been pushing for Titus all game, and his early wagon was definitely scum fueled IMO.In post 922, mozamis wrote:OK, caught up.
Town: Me, Sonia, Cloud.
Pro town: SSBm, Elibirn, Pine
Null: Cabd, AJ, Uzi, Nero, Gamma, Transcend, Nosferatu
Pos scum: Twin, Lapsa, Alisea
Scum: Titus.
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Town: Cabd, SSBM, Cloud, Nero
Pro Town: Elibirn (see Uzi below), Sonia, mozamis, Lapsa
Null: Transcend, Gamma, AJ, Pine
Pro scum: Alisae, Nosferatu, Uzi (Uzi or Elibirn could change sides based on the flip of the other)
Scum: Titus
I read more town than scum atm, which could be a product of good scum or lurking scum. Nosferatu could definitely go lower in my list, but mainly due to lack of content/lurking than anything he/she has posted. I largely forgot they were in the game. I think that means scum more than town.
Gamma not posting much could also mean the same. Without knowing his scum meta though (not that it matters, beyond a reference point), my gut reads town. I will need to look at the vote count as I catch up to see whose on his wagon, but if it's Titus-led, then I don't like it at all.
Transcend hasn't done much at all. Idk his meta, but he's not posting real content. Ever. Why is this okay? Why give him a free pass to post nothing useful, but call gamma scum for doing the same? It's ridiculous. I think people town read Transcend only due to being friends over actually evaluating his alignment.
Uzi/Elibirn: I dont like the gladiator claim, but apparently fake claims in mafiascum meta is okay. Elibirn doubled down on it when others took it as a joke, but it's largely null. I do think fake claims are scummy and idk why it's okay in mafiascum, but it is what it is. Uzi/Elibirn could be TvT, but I think one of them are scum. Idk which one, but Titus has weak associations with either one. Her entire scum claim on me was my 'it's only fair' post asking for Uzi to give his reasoning on voting Elibirn. Then again, Elibirn could be scum and Uzi town. Neither are a good lynch today, so this whole point is moot.
I think it's clear I want Titus lynched. Doubt I need to explain that further. She's been all over the place in trying to push bad wagons. She isn't suspicious enough of Alisae buddying her so hard. She tries to wave off votes on her as bad, but never addresses the reasons they are there, and she isn't genuinely evaluating things the way Alisae constantly claims. If so, then she has some really bad reads IMO. Unless Titus is always this bad at being town, then I'm pretty dead set with her being scum here.-
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I can definitely see it, albeit it being pretty improbable due to just straight bad play. Alisae would be extreme newbscum in that scenerio though, and Titus sure hasn't called her out for the blatant buddying. It's really bad, and any suspicious townie would call it out. Honestly, if I wasn't so sure Titus was scum, I'd just straight call Alisae scum and vote there. Buddying that bad on D1 isn't town play.In post 1048, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Do you see Titus and Alisae as scum together and does Alisae's behavior affect your read on Titus at all? Can you explain why Nero is so high on your list?In post 1036, Tywin Lannister wrote:Town: Cabd, SSBM, Cloud, Nero
Pro Town: Elibirn (see Uzi below), Sonia, mozamis, Lapsa
Null: Transcend, Gamma, AJ, Pine
Pro scum: Alisae, Nosferatu, Uzi (Uzi or Elibirn could change sides based on the flip of the other)
Scum: Titus
Does alisae's behavior affect my read on Titus? Yes, but only in slightly thinking Titus could be town and Alisae scum. I could definitely see Alisae/Titus scum team though, and without day talk, Titus can't reprimand Alisae for the blatant buddying. That will happen N1 IMO.-
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Oh, and Nero is high on my list due to him being one of the very few (me/Lapsa/Nero?) in-game to really question or go after Titus and her motivations. She was being put on a pedestal by Alisae and Elibrin, and others were sheeping her. She's been going after bad wagons consistently, but when only a few players question it, then it's likely due to her being scum. Easy wagons are usually scum driven, and Titus has pushed them all.-
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Honestly? The lack of connections to my top scum reads in Titus/Alisae, plus a general townie vibe I've gotten from you after I originally voted. I just don't see you as scum now.In post 1064, CloudKicker wrote:
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Think I addressed this, but since you didn't read:In post 1074, Alisae wrote:
Actually, asking you this. What will you do if Titus flips town?In post 1050, Tywin Lannister wrote:@Alisae: what will you do if Titus flips scum? Your entire game will be flipped upside down. Why in the world would you be so sure of anyone on D1? That's ridiculous.
It doesn't change the fact that you're scum. It only would show my conf bias in ignoring you in favor of Titus. It actually makes me think it's a mistake to ignore you, since your blatant buddying is obv not town.
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