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Hello sonia transcend <3

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VOTE: sonia rose ate d1 new meta

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Im sure if i was mefia someone would have to the occasion to fos me

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You really GREW on me sonia. Before you LEAF me without your snapchat... i know im thorn to be wild but you shouldnt be so meanie

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I aready found 1 mefia and i will townblock transcend if he has the same read

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Titus why do you think Gamma is not a BFF?

He's null. Too early.

No hes not, he voted obvious town and you say someone fosing obvious town is null because lack of content beep beep
Lapsa is obvious town, sonia didnt say hi so ill go and say that its not towny, titus had 2 bad posts, tra

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Apparently i pressed enter like a moron, but i wanted to say that transcend should post so i can read him

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Because he roled town, its in his role gamma, i stalked him pregame and mod pmed me that hes town, are you saying the mod is lying ????

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At first i thought you proxy omgused or proxy put pressure on the dog because of him calling the fake mason mafia, then the fake mason voted you so the teamtelling thingy is not correct apparently

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Nah gamma, are you asking me to play optimal ?

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Hi baby boo, still cant read my scumgame

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Uhh Lapsa's avatar is a cheetah not a dog

I think he was not being serious about not liking masons.
This is the scum on his wagon
VOTE: Elbirn

TOTALLY RELEVANT THANK YOU SSBM, SOOO TOWNY - Transcend

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sonia titus elbirn pine are all looking bad atm, i like uzi, lap and another guy i forgot

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actually i just gt read #79 and thought he was just his town self lel

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gut*

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74 and 103 are less good tho for sure

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Also he had an opportunity to throw shade at lap when hes having a lot of attention yet he just claim NAI behavior @cabd

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Its not like i said that i townread uzi and that i was sticking by it and i prefer my reads than others too

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#76, uzi got asked his opinion about lap, he claim lap is VI and that hes scumreading you if i understood correctly. He could say anything that was an opinion on him that was leaning sucm, he didnt when he had a great opportunity. Imo lap is town, saying town is town is towny

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me ?

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You say that when i carried your ass the sole game t/t we played

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And its all glorifying a gut read on 1 post, i just explained the process

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I know exactly why you sr 77 but i learned not to policy on structure

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VOTE: elbirn

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Lets fish for a reaction !!

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@trans some of her posts are just textbook scum trying to evade outing reads

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Also i disagree that there wasnt enough content to at least out a 1st impression, i also personnaly dislike the structure of her post and that makes me sr her, she sounds forced

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Also i scummoned aj.

lold

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Sonia i can read you pretty damn well even tho you dont believe it. Last game you got me only because you used outside game meta which was fairly fucking low coming from you

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Also calling me scum and saying i cant read you is like saying im town with bad reads :3

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Yea because im not known for being a lazy ass, before scumreading me for not outing my thought process, ask for it

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and lol i didnt say you were scum for not saying hi, it was mostly a joke

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Sonia i trust that i am competent enough that i will eventually have a correct read on your alignement, whatever it is

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@aj he asked me, and no i havent but i saw her scumplay in our game

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When ure town your towntell so im not too concerned

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Why would you be lynchbait ? when ure town youre unlynchable imo

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We will see, im town and i really want to nail this game and its a large so its a challenge. Lets show that emers are the best i love you sonia

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im obviously buddiyng you cause thats your weak point, buddiess <3

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Your actual weakpoint is me irl

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cabd voted gamma, not me lap

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There isnt a singel game when i didnt get called village idiot, thats until my first death tunnel flip

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136 was an obvious joke, stop taking everything so literally

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im not vi, i have a great town game and easily townread if you go past what is site meta and typical structure

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Alisae the pregame comment is a reference to epicmafia where theres a pregame lobby

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CloudKicker's posts give me a brain aneurysm which is a shame because I really wanted to like him because CloudKicker (the artist) is lit

The wagon on me is garbage and I think is based entirely on people having never played with my flippant gut reading obnoxiousness

I wanna wagon Uzi so I think I will

I forget what else I wanted to say

im lit too UNVOTE:

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I never claimed vi, titus did and its her read on myself not mine. This is my townplay, when im scum i dont aggro the attention of the whole town just to do my show, i can give you 2 game on site that demonstrate that meta.

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136 was an obvious joke, stop taking everything so literally

A bad joke, but that's not the point. The real point is you trying to 'joke' your way through the game doing absolutely nothing useful. Jokes are great when you also contribute, but you haven't and don't seem to want to.

Why dont you think about why would i do this as scum vs a town mindset, what is the scumgain vs the towngain

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People are really innaccurate on average on this site and this is one of those reasons, actions are NAI, intention/motivation are AI

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Its funny, you say that im not a good game so therefore my meta wouldnt change, but you refuse to consider meta to read me.

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a good player*

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Its funny, you say that im not a good game so therefore my meta wouldnt change, but you refuse to consider meta to read me.

Actually, I didn't say you're not good? I said I don't think you're bad, so you could easily manipulate meta to work for you rather than against. Meta is an easy defense to scummy play that isn't easily countered. It's not good for town to need meta as a defense, but scum absolutely love it. I will say that if you are always looked at as the VI when town, what causes that, and why don't you switch it up? Maybe you purposely act that way as scum to give a good meta cover? Who knows? Youre basically telling me that I'm giving you too much credit here? I think you're much smarter than you've let on.

Nah bro, its just my town play coming off that way and it works just fine on em where ppl knows my play

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@elbirn i fosed your 77 for tone and structure but when you replied to me, you showed me the contrary and i liked the post

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tywin is town, i still sr titus and gamma vote on me has no credibility

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Its kinda really annoying that everyone is asking you to overexplain every single thing that is being said, @elbirn if you actually read my post you wouldve understood, i said structure and post/tone was different, i liked it better and your 77 was probably you trolling or something

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And elbirn youre overreacting about the going down thingy, but its towny imo

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This doesn't feel right.

You're upset about the gladiate, huh.

It's gonna be okay old friend, just power lynch the scum and go from there

Was that an actual genuine gladiate ?

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VOTE: gamma[/vote| hi

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really, VOTE: gamma *

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I might just need to get drunk...

Cloud, no thoughts on the last few pages?

hi, i like elbeirn better, alisea i like too

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^questions like these i dont like, no offense i just think it was pretty straight forward that he wanted rxn, show that he actually scumread uzi and whatnot

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nice top page

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What have alisae done with sonia even ? @ ssbm

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Also alisea just outed a tr on titus so you probably msiread something

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All this gladiator talk is nai

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also tywin is town over titus imo

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At this point, I'm happy with a lynch on Tywin. Because pressure is on him, he feels as if he is obligated to go through everything. One example is why I thought Titus was scum. He thought I was responding to him because I had a post of his quoted in that post (which is not the case btw).

Also, Tywin is pushing Titus while giving Sonia a scum read seems off to me. I feel like at that moment, Sonia would have been a lot easier to push at the moment, but Tywin isn't pushing Sonia. So if Tywin is scum, I wouldn't be surprised to see Sonia scum with Tywin.

This line is shit.
Tywin isn't really that scummy just had a bad post he does seem like he's trying to figure the game out while you're just casting shade at wagons with fluff
the light shade toss to me is cute though.

Tywin outright lied about things twice in the thread. I don't get how you're saying he's trying to figure things out.

What were the lies

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@mod whats the point even to have encryptor if mafia still have day talk without it, 2 encryptors?

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btw ^ this post wasnt actualy me asking mod, just some thoughts i had to myself inb4

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At this point, I'm happy with a lynch on Tywin. Because pressure is on him, he feels as if he is obligated to go through everything. One example is why I thought Titus was scum. He thought I was responding to him because I had a post of his quoted in that post (which is not the case btw).

Also, Tywin is pushing Titus while giving Sonia a scum read seems off to me. I feel like at that moment, Sonia would have been a lot easier to push at the moment, but Tywin isn't pushing Sonia. So if Tywin is scum, I wouldn't be surprised to see Sonia scum with Tywin.

This line is shit.
Tywin isn't really that scummy just had a bad post he does seem like he's trying to figure the game out while you're just casting shade at wagons with fluff
the light shade toss to me is cute though.

Tywin outright lied about things twice in the thread. I don't get how you're saying he's trying to figure things out.

What were the lies

1) That I never asked him anything.
2) That I claimed Gladiator was normal when I only said it was real.

Do you really think that a wall posting player like tywin would only use something as nai as gladiator talk to push on you, i dont

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Yes also what sonia said, i thought that exactly

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Also its not like mafia would fuck up this hard and ''lying'' about stuff you said just to fos you, bad case

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Yes titus i understand the day talk part of the scumteam thing, i just dont understand why would they have day talk, withouth the need of encryptor, with an encryptor in the game

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oh lord i just fucking thought about a flip in another game, sorry that was non intended

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sonia your scum/town difference of play is blatant or you play diff on this acc

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3. Sonia pops up out of nowhere, sheep's Titus by calling me scum, and her reason is also sheeped by giving her reason as my 'it's only fair' statement. Zero originality there. That's some blatant sheeping going on.



Sonia: why haven't you asked me any questions? Also, why did you sheep Titus exactly to the T? Do you have no original thought? I find that sheep on atrocious reasonings are almost always scum. What do you think? Also, when ssbm_Kyouko pointed out your blatant buddying with Titus in post #400, you came back in #407 calling him 'not town' for no reason. It was another OMGUS shade throw with zero follow through. You haven't followed any lead or anything you claim to be scummy with any actual questions whatsoever. Also, you claim my post #303 is 'scummy as fuck.' Please explain what in it is scummy. You said it was overly defensive and manipulative. What was I defensive about? Who was I defending against? How does that make any sense whatsoever? I joined in with Elibirn to get Uzi to answer why he thought Elibirn was scum. He never gave a good reason, but regardless, what was there for me to be defensive about? I wasn't being attacked, so why call it defensive? Also, how was it manipulative in a scummy way? Do you know what 'scummy' even is, or only when you're town and not using contrived reasoning to throw shade on players? Why are you chainsaw defending Uzi here? You AND Titus both highly dislike Uzi being questioned. Both of you have attacked me now over me forcing Uzi to answer a basic question. Neither of you seem to have any real questions for me though. Now THAT is 'scummy as fuck' (to quote your own words).

Okay you're clearly not reading the thread what so ever you need a bit more coffee I came back in the day having to catch up I saw your post that I disliked (get to that in a moment) and I called you out on it also I said your post was scummy but the thing you forgot to address was I said I liked your other posts that's why I didn't vote you because that was the only post I had a bit of trouble with I wasn't sheeping Titus I didn't even see her call you scum I don't even know what post ssbn called me out on the post in question you were defending yourself it was over defensive on your actions like "don't look at me it isn't my fault on this!" I don't ever omgus unless it's for a joke purpose "how does it make sense" you ask because it makes sense what type of question is that Also I'm not defending Uzi I don't have a read on him what I AM doing is calling out your shitty reasoning in that post I know what scumhunting and being scummy is smart one I don't have a question for you because there's nothing to be asked would you like some RQS? I saw a post I disliked and I commented it you clearly don't even know what sheeping is just because 2 players dislike a post doesn't make it sheeping buddy

@ sonia you never typed a post like that in our last game, not even close to it. The structure is genuine because you didnt edited it 10 times before posting like you were doing

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Sonia has big ass balls when shes town btw

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@titus

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Sonia has big ass balls when shes town btw

? You mean Stubborn orrr

You arent afraid to fight and to be assertive

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Im not going to destroy your scum meta either so ill leave it here but so far you should be town and i think i pined you

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VOTE: aj

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Sonia has big ass balls when shes town btw

? You mean Stubborn orrr

You arent afraid to fight and to be assertive

This is true.
Pedit: i don't really have a scum meta.

Everyone does girl, but i agree that your town play is doesnt tends to be an average kind of play compared to your scumplay, not sure if you understand what im saying

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Titus its because you dont know the extensive shared game experience we have, i also tr her for tone, shes a goddam pussy when shes scum btw

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Nah, the meta isnt the base of my read on you

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I was actually doing my show and whatnot start of the game like i do always, when i actually outed good content, you answered to it and accordingly which is also towny -> unvoting me after something you could call me scum on, but didnt which was the encryptor slip

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Timing is important, and titus meta is great, sonia is a good player but this is also d1, flips will reveal her alignement and mine also

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Also titus, from mafiascum experience, do i have the right to ask your read about my encryptors posts or should i just avoid it?

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Only thing stopping me from voting alt is a lot of people already seem to sr her so I'm a bit ehhhhh

normally the top wagons at the start of D1 aren't on scum.

Ure better than that

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You dont win game when you change your reads because of average players's reads

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then maybe you should lead more d1 when ure town

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Honestly ill just disregard what i meant to say because its too on the line for reads i could get from it

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@Cabd you are underwhelming

Why underwhelming, i liked the quote

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It just means hes concious about game state and how ppl perceive him imo

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Cabd, I am at Lapsa AJ TL as stronger scumreads. Alisae uneases me, same with Uzi. Gamma might be scum.

Cloudkicker solid town. Pine and Sonia lean town. Nero is likely town, not by his content, but by the posturing in thread. Mozamis weak town. Nostramus, gun to head town.

Be my soundingboard? Cloud, please chime in too.

Peace out until tonight.

Honestly, im not too sure how to take your read on me, hence why i havent addressed any where you said you tred me. I think sonia is town, i agree with mozamis too and nos but thats about it

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i even googled soundingboard lel

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nah, rvs is read non nai most of the time so its perfect for scum to just fool around @nos

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hi aj, glad ure making content

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What do you think of trans ? is it scumotivated or na from your pov

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VOTE: Alisae

gonna ignore my comment about most d1 wagons prob not being scum and just go for it!

wow is that you townleading or what

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UNVOTE:

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i think sonia didnt like the wagon more than the posts, she most likely read the game state and had a gut read that the wagon was on town @alisea

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i think sonia didnt like the wagon more than the posts, she most likely read the game state and had a gut read that the wagon was on town @alisea

you fucking sniper.

owned

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Tywin scum? He seems to love asking lots of questions. And setting up Cloud - obvious mislynch bait. I mean, sure my immediate response to Clouds first post was : oh, fuck this, let's lynch him, because grammatically it's painful shit. But easy or difficulut to read has nothing to do with town or scum.
I'll keep my vote on Alea for now but may well change to Tywin when i finish my catch up.

lol btw english isnt my mother tongue so

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I also do this sonia, hence why i understood 100% ur read

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Ill buddy the shit out of you

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Titus/sonia, gimme a quick read on cabd

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704 sounds like an excuse to have bad reads lol

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I mean I've posted all my reads to date. Cloud. Can you specifically tell me which ones you disagree with?

I wasnt talking about your reads per se atm, mostly like an inherent excuse to have bad reads, idk if im being clear

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@titus yea but it sounded off
@cabd what was his playstyle?

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^ i dont get all what is implied in those exchanges

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VOTE: pine

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I liked ssbm's list but the scum on alisea, i think im the only one whos taking into consideration that shes a new player and it might affect her play, her thoughts processes are well made and i doubt a noob scum would go far and beyond on a 17 large and attract that much attention

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I also think i have a underdog read on sonia so we will see, i feel like most of the actives players are town leaning

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Can scum nk me because I feel so clueless in this game....Wait that's prob counterproductive

I know all the scum and the 3rd party so don't nk me.

I bet its because of posts like these you get lynched

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Im not VI but i know i can come off this way

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Also calling me scum and saying i cant read you is like saying im town with bad reads :3

Who is saying this?

Sonia, she said i was scum but that i wasnt able to read her

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We know eachother very well, ive been plasying with sonia for years, i also think lapsa early game was very towny and jumping on him there was to get an obvious ml bait wagon going

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His early game and how he was wagoned for imo was very very telling and i still consider him very town @lil, youre basically saying that you agreed with me but still find it fishy, the jump on lapsa was scumotivated at somepoint in this game like cabd trans and others pointed out, if you agree with lapsa being town then you should agree with this

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VOTE: Cloud
Joey flipped scum.

Don't act like you can read me Joey you won't get far.
those reads are also shit.

Yeah this feels like a scumslip. Seems to know CK is town.

in retrospect, I think that her first post was her 1st impression of my me in this game and the 2nd post was addressed more about how i generally read her as town

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btw I loled when CK said Sonia towntells. Her other account has stated she always gets read wrong.

dont underestimate her bro, shes great as town and its probably town's fault more than hers

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Also dont underestimate transcend

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Lmao im awnyy

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Cloudkicker on em used to be my comp alt

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I prefer to have sex than watching anime since theyre mutually exclusive

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shoulda bought one in the 90's like me

Hi there, im glad youre popping out, do you still think titus is mefia?

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Cabd you should take it easy and relax, smalltalk is also indicative

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UNVOTE

VOTE TITUS

OK, caught up.

Town: Me, Sonia, Cloud.
Pro town: SSBm, Elibirn, Pine

Null: Cabd, AJ, Uzi, Nero, Gamma, Transcend, Nosferatu

Pos scum: Twin, Lapsa, Alisea

Scum: Titus.

I like this list, minus me on the scum side. I also don't think Lapsa is scum. He's been pushing for Titus all game, and his early wagon was definitely scum fueled IMO.

My list:

Town: Cabd, SSBM, Cloud, Nero

Pro Town: Elibirn (see Uzi below), Sonia, mozamis, Lapsa

Null: Transcend, Gamma, AJ, Pine

Pro scum: Alisae, Nosferatu, Uzi (Uzi or Elibirn could change sides based on the flip of the other)

Scum: Titus

I read more town than scum atm, which could be a product of good scum or lurking scum. Nosferatu could definitely go lower in my list, but mainly due to lack of content/lurking than anything he/she has posted. I largely forgot they were in the game. I think that means scum more than town.

Gamma not posting much could also mean the same. Without knowing his scum meta though (not that it matters, beyond a reference point), my gut reads town. I will need to look at the vote count as I catch up to see whose on his wagon, but if it's Titus-led, then I don't like it at all.

Transcend hasn't done much at all. Idk his meta, but he's not posting real content. Ever. Why is this okay? Why give him a free pass to post nothing useful, but call gamma scum for doing the same? It's ridiculous. I think people town read Transcend only due to being friends over actually evaluating his alignment.

Uzi/Elibirn: I dont like the gladiator claim, but apparently fake claims in mafiascum meta is okay. Elibirn doubled down on it when others took it as a joke, but it's largely null. I do think fake claims are scummy and idk why it's okay in mafiascum, but it is what it is. Uzi/Elibirn could be TvT, but I think one of them are scum. Idk which one, but Titus has weak associations with either one. Her entire scum claim on me was my 'it's only fair' post asking for Uzi to give his reasoning on voting Elibirn. Then again, Elibirn could be scum and Uzi town. Neither are a good lynch today, so this whole point is moot.

I think it's clear I want Titus lynched. Doubt I need to explain that further. She's been all over the place in trying to push bad wagons. She isn't suspicious enough of Alisae buddying her so hard. She tries to wave off votes on her as bad, but never addresses the reasons they are there, and she isn't genuinely evaluating things the way Alisae constantly claims. If so, then she has some really bad reads IMO. Unless Titus is always this bad at being town, then I'm pretty dead set with her being scum here.

How come you fliped that hard read on me up to the top ?

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I change reads when I get more info Cloud. You were my first non-RVS vote. Am I not allowed to reevaluate?

Changing reads is fine, i was just wondering what made you change

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Yea okay that works, also tywin couldve townslipd with the day chat thing but easily fake townslip, i still have done it many time

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^reinforcing the t slip theory

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Even-though Titus complains about meta she's actively aware and spouts her "I don't bus as scum" meta. In that same street fighters game that I posted earlier, she defended one of her buddies hard....but also bussed on of her buddies hard.

My stance is that scum are plenty capable of defending their buddy but town also whiteknight/defend and I'm not skilled enough to tell the difference.

player from 2009 and ure not confident in your reads

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Join date = experience =/= skill tho

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Even-though Titus complains about meta she's actively aware and spouts her "I don't bus as scum" meta. In that same street fighters game that I posted earlier, she defended one of her buddies hard....but also bussed on of her buddies hard.

My stance is that scum are plenty capable of defending their buddy but town also whiteknight/defend and

I'm not skilled enough to tell the difference.

player from 2009 and ure not confident in your reads

sounds bogus

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Anyway, nero cain what do you think of tywin/alisae/titus trifecta

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When theres scumgain pmuch, the buddying isnt scummy in itself

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BTW your case on Titus is terrible.

What about my case?

He obvious said that to twyin

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Anyway, nero cain what do you think of tywin/alisae/titus trifecta

I think there's also the possibility of Elbirn wich would mean one of tywin/alisae is wrong but otherwise I can see it.

You didnt really answer my question i was wondering why do you think of the interactions since you hard tr titus, do you think tywin is scum, that alisea is scum for buddying etc yada

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oh lord i just fucking thought about a flip in another game, sorry that was non intended

What?

Encryptor talk was because i was thinking about the flip in another game

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shoulda bought one in the 90's like me

Hi there, im glad youre popping out, do you still think titus is mefia?

no, I think Titus is the townest town that ever towned

Cloud, Nero hard SRs Titus, she's not one of his TRs

i guess i took that too literraly

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Okay, re-read Titus' ISO. Tl;dr is I'm okay with lynching either of these fucks.
VOTE: Twyin

Why do I think Titus is town?
The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to think she isn't currently I'm going through her ISO and she could be seen as scummy, except she started interacting with me. And I thought her theories are genuine and stuff. Ya know, I really thought she was doing town things. So I defended my townreads hardly. But now that a lot of people think that Titus is scum, I might as well stop my conf bias and look through her. Turns out, no actual analysis. Besides on Tywin. Only real person I feel like she's gone after. Quite frankly it seems like she wants other people to do things for her in 768

Now why is my vote on Tywin?

I think Tywin and Titus got into a Scum v Scum fight

. But right now Tywin is acting anti-town. He quite frankly hasn't responded to any of the posts that I wanted him to respond to. He's just twisting what people are saying and calling them out on that. And Tywin, go keep your ego in check. 429. No one ever catches scum 100% of the time unless they know who scum are because they are scum themselves and they really wanna bus their scummates.

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i miscliked enter but to follow my post, thats almost like a scumclaim. Tywin has been trying to tell you that titus is scum for like 5-10 pages straight and you tred titus, now you iso her and you kinda agree with Tywin, but you think this is a scum vs scum so you vote for Tywin ? Dont you think thats if you agree titus is scum, its more likely that you were wrong as town pov and that tywin had a legit sr on her than him trying to bus someone on a good positon game wise ? why would mafia try to kill townreads on partners when theres really obvious ml on table

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You had to vote titus, not tywin

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VOTE: alisea

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oh thats better lmao at least it works better with you read UNVOTE:

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VOTE: pine going back there

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VOTE: pine going back there

Hey don't you start playing anti-town now

What is anti town about it, i voted him 10 pages ago and he never went back to out his reads like he said he would, i also think his d1 was forced

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btw im calling a tvst tywin titus

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VOTE: alisea

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btw im calling a tvst tywin titus

T v S?

t vs t*

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Alisea is milking it too

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i also hard tr tywin

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I think both of you are just too invested and should back off a bit, its easier to see interactions when youre outside tunnels and whatnot, alisea 2nd to last post was explicitiy scumtelling imo

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alisea is bascially saying that shes flip flopping because of tywin and that is just lold

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Titus who do you see me being paired scum with?

Don't know. Not enough data, but why would you care?

Because I wanna help you scumhunt?

That's not helping scumhunt. That's pushing me down a path, which unfortunately is a different theory all together.

Also, why are you voting me if convinced I am hunting?

VOTE: Tywin
Not anymore.

For those that don't understand, I freaked out when

I was under the pressure Tywin gave me. And cause I was in that state of mind, I reacted to shit out of desperation. However, Tywin knows I react this way when I'm under a ton of fucking pressure. I think he does anyways. I think his first step to fighting Titus was to pressure me and be like "If she flips scum you're fucked." Tywin knew the buttons to push with me, so he manipulated me and pushed them. But I think he knew that he should start pushing them.

Tywin, you seem so desperate, I'm calling your bluff.

Imo that textbook mafia overexplaning their vote prior to the flip, also being proactive about being called out on it since the vote in itself is bad from her priors votes, alisea has be tuning her titus/tywin vote depending on the town swing for a good 10 ish pages now

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VOTE: Tywin
I'm not defending bad play. You're trying to misrepresent the things Titus is saying, and when confronted with quotes you are ignoring the fact that you have been misrepresenting her.

@Cloud - you're at least half right b/c Titus is town, but one or both of Tywin and Alisae are scum here. I wanted to stay on Alisae of the two because she was on the Lapsa wagon. Also I think it is not pro-town to park your vote on an inactive slot. There are things happening right now that you could be influencing better if you were voting a relevant wagon.

i just did, im also not going to make up vote if i dont feel like it

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alisea is bascially saying that shes flip flopping because of tywin and that is just lold

Yeah, she's wanting really hard to be liked by every single slot in the game.

Explaining that any further is extremely anti-town.

oh

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Alisea is milking it too

Try a different angle. I think you are seeing the

same behavior pattern

, but reaching a different conclusion. I don't know whether it's novice or fear though.

I have Alisea pegged as what she is not, rather than what she is.

lmao maybe

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Yea it does make more sens

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alisea is bascially saying that shes flip flopping because of tywin and that is just lold

I'll fucking confirm this. I am flip floping at the moment. I don't know what the fuck to do. I don't know who the fuck is what. I dunno what's real. I dunno what's fake. I dunno my gender even. What operating system is this toaster even fucking using? Is it fucking Vista? Point is I fucking snapped.
But I am keeping my vote on Tywin. I'm done flipflopping. Unless something else happens, I'm keeping my vote on tywin.
I'm keeping my vote on tywin.
All of these circles, make a square.
All of these circles, make a square.
Just calm down. It's gonna be okay.

Stuff like this doesnt come off as genuine tho

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About tywin wagon, some of his line looks like genuine frustrated town, even the self comment didnt comme off as forced to me, i once said and did that as town not so long ago with great success, i also was correct about my deathtunnel

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Alisea you have no reason to be, thats what we are saying so clam down, you arent responsible of the votes

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UNVOTE: trans also had a tr on tywin im curious about his assessment of recents posts

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I dont buy twin scum being this obstinated and going after you so hard d1

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yo if im wrong on tywin im wrong, i want trans read on that tho, i bet my macaroni he will agree with me

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^i dont see it tbh and glad ure clamed down

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Hello transcend boi, gimme ur case on tywin

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just gonna VOTE: Cloud for that early interaction with Cabd; so awkward.

what more awkward is you voting me for first page posts when theres 50 pages of content and much more things to read into

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my vote is still on aj

hell makes you think i have a tywin case

meant read by case

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Nos, can you work with me there and tell me whats your reads on the table ? youve been a blind spot null in my reads so far

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btw i told yall tywin was town

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Sub out.

Sorry to do this, but the game exploded with lots of long posts and I'm kinda busy with life. Apologies.

VOTE: Tywin Lannister

Sonia, frustration and AtE is NOT AI. Certainly backing it up with nothing but lying and flaming proves nothing more than something about the user themselves.

i had to read 8 new pages and im glad the tywin/titus thing deescalated

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Also woops i forgot i did quote, im sad transcend boi is subbing out, i really wanted to play with him and sonia, one of the reason why i joined the game, lapsa also said he wouldnt be part of tywin lynch but eventally did vote them, also aj you are right its not AI per se, but you have to read in to nd tywin's imo was genuine, much more than titus's iso she has posted as proof

VOTE: lapsa

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Nero, whyd you forget to list me ?

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What is this responding to? It's not a Traitor crumb for your scumteam is it?

It is a traitor crumb for my scumteam.

lol you have balls, i like it. All the traitor talk is pretty dumb, we should focus in lynching mefia than we can make associations not the other way around

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@ssbm get your vote in there, i see no reason why you would back off to go back on town

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This talk of traitors and multiball is tin foil hat nonhelpful nonsense. Can we just hunt scum please

we are on same page, i dont get ppl trying to find associations d1 on a large, mafia's sole purpose d1 is to not look scummy and especially not in a team with partners

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Also tywin is obvious town and ill seriously reconsider anyone truthfully hardpushing that lynch, miring at you ssbm. Titus get a passe because shes the one who got antagonized

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i get all but your snap apparently

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hihihii

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I also think that lynching lapsa is ridiculously the optimal play, he lietterraly claimed traitor and i want to watch all the mafia try to find reasons not to vote them

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VOTE: Lapsa

cool vote, what do you think about ssbm last few posts ? @ titus

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@titus overall she has been pushing theory about traitor and 2 scumteams, trying to push a world where she can read alisea as if she was trator or something while its completly irrelevant to use that d1. The talk in itself is nai, thing is she was inconsistent when she pushed lapsa about it but didnt vote them, she went back to tywin (town). Even you titus whos pretty sure tywin is scum, and from your pov you might have a better view than i do, you still are reasonable enough to get off his back

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i fos her for the traitor talk and not following her reads correctly by voting lapsa, ironically could mean lapsa might be traitor and her scum

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she is ssbm

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Also Cloud this is our 3rd game together stop calling me she/her please, my pronoun is right there under my avatar and I've pointed it out to you before.

True, our first game i thought you were a she so i guess 1st impression stayed

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@syr ssbm, i pointed it out 2 posts below the original post

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i think her not voting lap when he traitor told in her face is non consistent

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Lots of words

I'm sort of confused as to why you think AJ is naive for having lots of townreads he won't lynch when you basically hand your vote to two townreads

Though since I apparently have your vote please vote Titus with me kthx

Titus is town though, and neither of you have my vote. Titus and I have basically the same scumpool, but I think notable differences in our reads are at Nero and Aj. Voting with my townreads at an early stage before I develop strong SRs is not naive as you're implying though.

im fairly confident tywin is town though but i like you even if i think ure half wrong

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^not sure how that would be ai to be honest

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@syr iso the guy, i think hes been genuine and i also townread him before he started to go full psychotic

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Sonia is having the very same read that i have on tywin and we are competent enough to read into it, titus is just biased

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test

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re test

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AHAHAHA look at that signature

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its even funnier cause i was mefia

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{Titus, Lapsa, Mos, Pine, Tywin, Kyouko} <--- Things I'm okay with lynching

LMAO please explain how you have Titus and Tywin in the same scumtier?!?

Unless you're trying to say they're pulling the scum theater of the century?

Mirror tell, i had the same exact thought and i really cant see how you would put both as scum when theyre both obviously town

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Im lynching lapsa btw but if he comes back and explains his reads further and why he went back on his words

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Titus is town, tywin is town, aj looks town, sonia is gut town with pro reads that are just like mine. Sbm might be playing a great scumgame btw, elbirn looks town enough, gamma with the mason comment looks ridiculously town

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Titus, i honestly respect your reads as a whole but ure dead wrong on tywin, he was obviously frustrated and he had the same town thoughts process i had when i was unfairly hardfosed, you guys just had an arguement that escalated and you cannot be objective about it

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Curiously enough sonia's read are those i want to hear the most atm

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@syr he lied, i started it