Large Normal 202 - Flavorful Mafia - Game Over!

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Confirm

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Monday post, but no time today, so effectively a prod dodge.

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OK, reading today.

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OK, reading today.

Made it to page 3, and not feeling it. Maybe I'll go back to linear reading later.

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Vote: Alisae

How can 4 other people be wrong?

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Did you know, my favorite flavor is cranberry. What's yours?

Vote Count 1.13

VO

TE

COU

NT

1.13

Firebringer (2): chickadee, Fykus
Alisae (4): Umlaut, LicketyQuickety, aronagrundy, Transcend
LicketyQuickety (1): gerryoat
PeregrineV (1): Lexa
Eddie Cane (1): Lil Uzi Vert
chickadee (1): Eddie Cane
Umlaut (2): Alisae, Firebringer
Avagantimos (2): Lowell, Creature

Not Voting (3): PeregrineV, keyenpeydee, Avagantimos

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2017-04-17 18:30:10)


Umlaut is V/LA Until Tuesday, April 11

Alisae

- why do people want to give you the killz?

[PeregrineV]

u want to lynch transcend and you sheep one of his strong srs?

Irrelevant at this point in the game. God I hate these arguments. We haven't even had a flip yet.

Why are you voting Alisae?

[PeregrineV]

alright

why are you voting Alisae?

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Alisae

How can 4 other people be wrong?

Why are you voting Alisae?

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Alisae

How can 4 other people be wrong?

Why are you voting Alisae?

How can 4 other people be wrong?

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Alisae

How can 4 other people be wrong?

Why are you voting Alisae?

How can 4 other people be wrong?

Oh shit, I inceptioned myself

[PeregrineV]

There's a couple votes on the Alisae wagon I don't like at the moment.

Transcend, could you unvote Alisae so I can vote there instead? Please and thanks.

Like who? And why?

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Alisae

How can 4 other people be wrong?

Look PV.
I know you should be able to look inbetween the lines.
You're either scum or just not fully payin attention.

Ehh, what lines?

OK, reading today.

Made it to page 3, and not feeling it. Maybe I'll go back to linear reading later.

But, am chatting with your voters.

[PeregrineV]

There's a couple votes on the Alisae wagon I don't like at the moment.

Transcend, could you unvote Alisae so I can vote there instead? Please and thanks.

Like who? And why?

Transcend is the big issue I have with it. I think her interactions with Alisae are strange to say the least, and he's one of my scum reads, so him being on the wagon is problematic to me.

The other issue is you, but that's mostly because you haven't posted much yet. I don't necessarily think you're scummy, but I can't exactly have a read on you at all yet, so joining you on a vote is not my favorite thing.

There's a couple votes on the Alisae wagon I don't like at the moment.

Transcend, could you unvote Alisae so I can vote there instead? Please and thanks.

i have never been asked something like this before, and i have no idea what you're insinuating --

but sure

UNVOTE:

That was basically a joke, but give me a minute and I might hop on. If you're gonna vote there, just vote there.

I read this, and it's in English, but I can't parse if you think Alisae is scum or if you think she is town. Yuor desire to vote her seems to indicate you think she is scum. Your worrying about her wagon composition seems to indicate you think she is town.

Explain please.

[PeregrineV]

Ehh, what lines?

My RVS vote on ya. If you look, you'll find something.
/me finger guns

OK. I'll have to go back, I got a few pages in and lost interest.

[PeregrineV]

I read this, and it's in English, but I can't parse if you think Alisae is scum or if you think she is town. Yuor desire to vote her seems to indicate you think she is scum. Your worrying about her wagon composition seems to indicate you think she is town.

Explain please.

Exactly that. If it weren't for Transcend's vote, I would feel very comfortable voting Alisae, but as I scumread both of them, it puts me in a predicament. I'm either wrong about one of them, or Transcend is doing some day one bus shenanigans.

It seems you would be joyful than Transcend is voting to kill his own scumbuddy Alisae. Why try yo talk him out of it?

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Ava is obvtown.

wrong

Initial impression was that he was not town. But full ISO looks much better. Still TBD.

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Who is Ariana Grande supposed to be?

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Vote: Gerrygoat

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Who is Ariana Grande supposed to be?

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Vote: Gerrygoat

I don't know what this means.

Is this a defense of gerry?

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I can still get behind Umlaut and PV. I'm not doing Lowell today however.

Whoa. Slow down there. I'm obv town.

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That's a gif of Ariana grande right?

Looks like a nun, but one who dyes her hair. Can nuns do that?

[PeregrineV]

{Creature, LQ, Trans, Garrybote, Fire, LUV} LUV should anyone be in here that I'm forgetting?

I doubt they are all scum.

[PeregrineV]

You guys are junk.

PV is obv town.

Awww, shucks, thanks!

[PeregrineV]

PV has done NOTHING AI

Awww, shucks, thanks!

[PeregrineV]

Pagetop says what?

[PeregrineV]

What?

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Yeah PV is probably town for that weird post barrage he did rather than opting to do a complete catch-up but you never know with a guy like that.

Aww, shucks, thanks?

[PeregrineV]

The easiest way for scum to enter a townbloc is to try to form it themselves.
If you're town just be patient. It may take longer then you expect it to, but a townbloc will come around naturally.

Why doesn't scum just form a scumbloc, call it a townbloc, then have townies fighting to get into it?

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I feel like we should just all vote Lexa.

They are supposed to be returning today. They should have good input, having read absolutely nothing of the game.

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OK, not trying for a whole page by myself, but if I get it I won't be upset.

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NM, not as many in a row as I thought.

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I feel like we should just all vote Lexa.

I WILL FOLLOW YOU FOREVER IN THIS GAME!

I feel like if there is an SK, you might be it.

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Lil Uzi Vert (6): Firebringer, Creature, Eddie Cane, chickadee, Lowell, gerryoat

Alright everyone

Brain exercise

There's a very low chance this wagon does not have scum on it

Rank everyone here from 1-6. 1 being towniest 6 being scummiest

My answer is smt like

1. Eddie
2. Fire
3. Chick
4. Gerry
5. Creature
6. Lowell

1. Chickadee
2. Creature
3. Eddie or Lowell
4. Eddie or Lowell
5. Fire
6. Gerry

[PeregrineV]

One of the few things PV has done that's AI is put a vote on me, because I fully expect him to be able to catch crumbs.

Awwww, thanks!

I suck at crumbs unless I am looking for them.

Kind of sucks to be a 1-shot vig if you are any good, and multi-shot if you suck.

[PeregrineV]

Now do people trust me to make the right shots or does someone feel like they need to leash me?

Shoot if and when you need to. If there a FLAVORFUL description that will allow us to distinguish your kills from scum?

[PeregrineV]

Firebringer
Transcend
Alisae

gerryoat
LicketyQuickety

Umlaut

Fykus
PeregrineV

Creature

Lexa

Eddie Cane
Chickadee

aronagrundy

Lil Uzi Vert

Lowell

keyenpeydee

Avagantimos

Why have most of the high posting players accepted gerry as town, but you have not. What are they seeing that you are not, or what are you seeing that they are missing?

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Now only 11 away from the page.

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Not sure how more I can narrow it down.

gerryoat - Trollish scum
LicketyQuickety - Looks like scum
Fykus - Somehow missing him/null
PeregrineV -

Missing him

/null
Lexa - Null
aronagrundy - Townleany
Lowell - Null/scum
Avagantimos - Null

Awww, shucks, thanks!

[PeregrineV]

Next game i flip scum in I'm making a town bloc with all my scumbuddies in it

Man, I almost had a whole page.

Ahh, well.

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I'm starting to scare myself...

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Nah man...Alisae is obvscum from post #1372 alone. Like...this has damaged me beyond repair.



ALSO, I GOT THE JOB! There's some official hoops to jumps through before it's for real, for real. But she offered me the job halfway through the interview. Going in, she already had the intention of hiring me. I'm over the moon right now.


And I'm still catching up, so give me a second. I'll be back.

Congratulations!!!

[PeregrineV]

Next game i flip scum in I'm making a town bloc with all my scumbuddies in it

Dangerous, but the amount of stock people are putting into them nowadays, you could have a quick, clean win.

[PeregrineV]

You're not taking the page.

Yeah, it already not happened.

But, I wanted to take the page with mostly game related stuff, and not just spam. That's too easy.

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Pagetop!

Almost. Keep at it!!

[PeregrineV]

I think I love peregrine

Aww, shucks, thanks!!!

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Hey Peregrine, still looking for you to address this.

Spoiler:

Confirm

Location is a lie. He's on Amonkhet.

Totally not cool since I haven't had time to look at any of the upcoming cards.

I will say it's about time, and we need more Gideon planeswalkers.

[PeregrineV]

Hey Peregrine, still looking for you to address this.

Spoiler:

Confirm

Location is a lie. He's on Amonkhet.

Totally not cool since I haven't had time to look at any of the upcoming cards.

I will say it's about time, and we need more Gideon planeswalkers.

And I totally hate it when they put out ones like that.

[PeregrineV]

Now do people trust me to make the right shots or does someone feel like they need to leash me?

Shoot if and when you need to. Is there a FLAVORFUL description that will allow us to distinguish your kills from scum?

@alisae

[PeregrineV]

Now do people trust me to make the right shots or does someone feel like they need to leash me?

Shoot if and when you need to. Is there a FLAVORFUL description that will allow us to distinguish your kills from scum?

@alisae

vigs are required to be indistinguishable from mafia kills in normals afaik

Went and read that. Dumb, but no matter.

[PeregrineV]

Why exactly are you so interested in my interest in being town read hmm??

This is fake and I am going to explain why (something most people don't do with a read like this).

First off, I am not concerned with your interest in being Town read. It should be pretty apparent that I was being facetious. So the fact that you chalk it up to me being interested in why you concern yourself being Town read is a complete farce. Second of all, the "hmm" is tact on which looks fake considering its suppose to emphasize that you are suspicious of me, but it does the opposite. It makes it look like you are trying to "really put the pressure on me" but its a fake suspicion because you already know I am Town.

see, I don't think scum would be able to make long ass posts that have next to no content like this so frequently

Elemental just finished and Tiphaine did it the whole game.

[PeregrineV]

Why should it be clear to the rest of us that you're obvious town?

Maybe I'm misusing the word obvious....

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Could you give me a little insight as to why you were thinking about an SK at this time?

Just re-read the Open Setup post to see if numbers where mentioned. And was skimming through trying to get quick-reads from players I play with frequently, one of which was Firebringer. Don't feel like he's scum, but not feeling town. That kind of leaves him in the possible SK position.

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Why should it be clear to the rest of us that you're obvious town?

Maybe I'm misusing the word obvious....

Kind of a cop out man.

Not really. How many players have already referred to themselves as obv town?

[PeregrineV]

eddie cane is obvtown

But less so with each group of empty posts you make.

[PeregrineV]

Wait.
You'll be NK'd.
Over me?

You'd be NKed?

Over Uzi?

[PeregrineV]

Eddie and gerry obviously trolling

If Gerry (or yourself) are trying to eat a NK, its not going to work unless you actually claim a role that Scum want to kill more than the others.

Uzi's claim is kinda evidence that there is a SK in the game? What do people think about that? I ask because I think it unlikely that there is a Cop and a Gunsmith in the game. Gunsmith can get a guilty on Mafia, but not on SK. That would passively make SK immune to direct investigations.

No reason a cop has to be in the game.

[PeregrineV]

why does my ava vote have so much resistance

it's like a fart in the slaughterhouse. It is indistinguishable from the currently existing stronger votes.

[PeregrineV]

Scum are in:
gerryoat
LicketyQuickety
Umlaut
PeregrineV
Lexa
Lowell

@Creature-

1488

[PeregrineV]

Us bad players have gotta learn somehow.

Here's a challenge:

Next game you're a PR and a wagon pops on you, don't claim at all costs. Only claim if you get L-1 and someone declares intent.

That's Graduate-level mafia. Where did you learn this technique?

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Okay I changed my mind. Fykus' claim is shit.

If I'm town and I have a PR so powerful that I'd be Mafia target #1, I don't say "I have a PR so powerful that I'd be Mafia target #1." Why would town do that? Full claiming under duress makes sense... not claiming makes sense... even saying just "I'm a PR" makes sense under some circumstances. But Fykus' claim is.basically "I'm painting an NK Target on my back to avoid painting an NK target on my back." It's awful, and it's not realistic town play.

VOTE: Fykus

He could be town Bulletproof trying to draw the kill.

[PeregrineV]

If other players accept him as town, they're probably wrong.

Who townreads someone for just trolling?

Who indeed.....

[PeregrineV]

I am PhD on mafia, stop calling me "graduated".

Advanced concepts such as holding town power close to the vest to minimize scum shenanigans are doctor-level mafia concepts.

They will get you keeled.

[PeregrineV]

I am PhD on mafia, stop calling me "graduated".

Advanced concepts such as holding town power close to the vest to minimize scum shenanigans are doctor-level mafia concepts.

They will get you keeled.

Creature already knows that...

Since you're here, your 1694 doesn't make much sense. Can you elaborate?

[PeregrineV]

I am PhD on mafia, stop calling me "graduated".

Advanced concepts such as holding town power close to the vest to minimize scum shenanigans are doctor-level mafia concepts.

They will get you keeled.

Creature already knows that...

Since you're here, your 1694 doesn't make much sense. Can you elaborate?

OK, I will try.

I find it highly unlikely there is both a Gunsmith, Doctor and Cop in the game for seemingly obvious reasons (Follow the Cop). I am thinking either Town has a counter-balance of an anti-Town Town role(s) in the game. The thing is, there are not a whole lot of negative utility normal roles and fewer that make sense. IDK exactly the ones there are because I am poor at memorizing, but I know millar is one and that only really makes sense if there is both Cop and Gunsmith in the game, if Uzi's claim is correct, which I am not sure of even though I think Uzi is Town. But if Alisae's claim is true that that can in part contribute to balancing out Town's power, but its going to need more than that to balance Doc, Cop, Gunsmith and Weak Vig. This ofc only assumes that those other roles don't have modifiers on them and the hypothetical that these are the only PR's in the game and that is about my limit.

And there is no guarantee that there is a Mafia RB in the game, so there is that as well.

I don't understand where this supposition of roles existing is coming from.

[PeregrineV]

I am PhD on mafia, stop calling me "graduated".

Advanced concepts such as holding town power close to the vest to minimize scum shenanigans are doctor-level mafia concepts.

They will get you keeled.

Creature already knows that...

Since you're here, your 1694 doesn't make much sense. Can you elaborate?

OK, I will try.

I find it highly unlikely there is both a Gunsmith, Doctor and Cop in the game for seemingly obvious reasons (Follow the Cop). I am thinking either Town has a counter-balance of an anti-Town Town role(s) in the game. The thing is, there are not a whole lot of negative utility normal roles and fewer that make sense. IDK exactly the ones there are because I am poor at memorizing, but I know millar is one and that only really makes sense if there is both Cop and Gunsmith in the game, if Uzi's claim is correct, which I am not sure of even though I think Uzi is Town. But if Alisae's claim is true that that can in part contribute to balancing out Town's power, but its going to need more than that to balance Doc, Cop, Gunsmith and Weak Vig. This ofc only assumes that those other roles don't have modifiers on them and the hypothetical that these are the only PR's in the game and that is about my limit.

And there is no guarantee that there is a Mafia RB in the game, so there is that as well.

I don't understand where this supposition of roles existing is coming from.

Gunsmith because Uzi claimed it, Weak Vig because Alisae claimed it, and I am saying there is most likely NOT a Cop in the game, but if there is there might be a millar to counter balance the TPRs. If there is a millar then Cop will get a guilty on the millar, but iirc Gunsmith will not, just like Cop

might

get a guilty on SK (if there is one) but Gunsmith will not. Doc was talked about earlier, but the gist is to give Alisae the ability to survive even if they NK Scum. Weak Vig is not that strong of a role, but it is a role that was not given in the Semi-Open setup that was given. IDK if Weak Vig is the kind of role that can be in the game on its own without changing the balance of the game by not having to include other roles as well. I can see Weak Vig being in the game because the mod said there

might

be a SK in the game. IDK that the mod would make 3 killing roles in the game, but he could have and we wont know until tomorrow.

Does that answer your question?

I suppose. Was there a miller claim that I missed?

[PeregrineV]

I wished I could hear more from our Gunsmith.

[PeregrineV]

No one claimed Miller. It just a theory someone came up with.

Then that is kind of my question. Why come up with miller? Speculation to solve the game is fine, speculation for the sake of doing so not so fine.

[PeregrineV]

IF there is a Millar, the correct play is to claim Day 1. I don't trust people to make the correct plays anymore.

what sparked your interest in a miller?

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: Umlaut
I agree with Fire here, I don't want this game to end up like civ mafia where we make 100 pages per day. I'm not taking this to extremes, but I agree with him.

There is no reason to believe this game will end up like that one. What is the point in implying it will?

[PeregrineV]

Not super hyped on the Umalut wagon.

Vote: Lowell

[PeregrineV]

If you think I'm town and you think Lowell is scum then you think scum!Lowell pissed all over the only player calling him town. Does that sound right?

No idea, and no idea.

Where did Lowell "piss all over the only player calling him town"?

[PeregrineV]

If you think I'm town and you think Lowell is scum then you think scum!Lowell pissed all over the only player calling him town. Does that sound right?

No idea, and no idea.

Where did Lowell "piss all over the only player calling him town"?

Maybe you mean this?

umlaut is trying to whiteknight me. It's subtle but it's there. his reaction to Ali's threat to NK me was both bizarre (why does this affect him?) and unneeded (no one takes Ali seriously). His reaction to fykus's claim is also dumb. Just vote the guy if you want, why make a scene. no one cares about your process. he's a tryhard trying to be a lurker is what I'm saying here.

VOTE: umlaut

LQ is town, creature is trending town, Ali's claim is fine, pere is town, some other things probably happening. one of fire or trans is scum but I'm hesitating on which.

[PeregrineV]

You should say what's bad about my wagon, because right now I'm wondering if you're scum angling to be off the mislynch.

Your iso looks like you are trying to solve the game and trying to resolve your reads on players.

At this point, I don't want to lynch you.

I do want more from Lowell, so if he may be today's lynch, then maybe he will post more.

[PeregrineV]

town: creature, alisae, ava, trans, chick

???: fire

null: the rest

scum: LQ, lowell, gerry, key

never lynch today: alisae, fire

Likely one scum in "scum"

How many in "town"?

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: ava

Lexa's lowell vote was when ava and lowell both were at 6 votes

This is good info, if it is accurate. Do you have posts/pages you can post or at least reference?

[PeregrineV]

Pool 1:
Mafia Ninja
Town Bodyguard, 1-shot bulletproof
Town Doctor

Pool 2:
Mafia Rolecop
Town Watcher
Town Gunsmith

Pool 3:
Mafia Roleblocker
Town Universal Backup

scum probably have a ninja instead of role blocker since uzi was night killed instead of blocked.

Can you expand on how you reached this conclusion?

[PeregrineV]

oh well the weak vig would counter the gunsmith wouldn't it

And any JOAT power like cop or vig, if they are JOATs and if they have those powers.

[PeregrineV]

So if they have a ninja, then that basically means town has a universal backup, which would bring total town PR's to 6. I don't know much about large games but wouldn't that be too much power in towns hands, especially without mafia having a RB to counter them? Or would it be possible for scum to have a ninja and a RB?

Just because a role is listed in the semi-open part does not mean it cannot also be in the closed part.

[PeregrineV]

One role in each pool

One role is mafia

Uzi flipped gs

Maf is either Ninja or rb

If ninja there's a town ub

If there's rb there's either a bp bg or a doctor.

We went over this and if scum have a role blocker, why wouldn't they just block Uzi?

Why block him over killing him?

[PeregrineV]

Wait, are Chickadee and Eddie Cane on different neighborhoods?

Eddie lied about a neighborhood.
Chick failed to neighborize someone.

Failed?

[PeregrineV]

My possible actions are as follows (all 1 shot):
commuter
friendly neighbor
neighborizer - which I successfully used on Uzi, but he died, so it was useless. I say successful, because the neighborhood exists. I can post there if I want, but Uzi can't on account of being dead and all.


So yes, I would say that those abilities are based mostly on self preservation.


I'm not a miller.
I'm not a newbie either. Just because I haven't played much here, does not mean I'm a newbie, and I wish people would stop saying that. I've played for eight years. I feel like everyone is scum reading me because I'm new

here

. This entire game has just been "Nah, this is their meta, end of story."

The hood appeared last night, but Uzi didn't post anything, or did it not appear until this morning?

[PeregrineV]

It's so bad that i could probably eat a poo and not taste anything.

Never tried, but I'm just going to assume gross flavor

Like porta-a-potty flavored jelly beans.

[PeregrineV]

there's no chance a joat like that exists in this setup. the fn claim is so we don't lynch her todsy. the commuter is planning ahead. this is basic scumonomics

A better claim would be a bunch of useful stuff that would stop her from being lynched (doc, cop, vig, etc.). Why claim with only 3 and not strong ones at that?

[PeregrineV]

Also more likely to get scum caught, unless they have a ninja.

Except why would the ninja even bother since the common thought is a watcher can't exist since a gunsmith does?

Ninja only fools watcher and tracker, and both of those have their limitations.

[PeregrineV]

random. our ub if we have one will be 50/50 weak vig and gunsmith. if it is weak vig we will know tomorrow as someone will be shot though.

It's actually in the order killed. Uzi was listed first, Alisae was as a result of her action, which makes her second.

[PeregrineV]

there's no chance a joat like that exists in this setup. the fn claim is so we don't lynch her todsy. the commuter is planning ahead. this is basic scumonomics

A better claim would be a bunch of useful stuff that would stop her from being lynched (doc, cop, vig, etc.). Why claim with only 3 and not strong ones at that?

a friendly neighbour claim stops her from being lynched

If you believe the person who "got" it.

[PeregrineV]

@Keyen, what is this post based off of? 243

Fire's 258, if this is taken at face value it's rather interesting in consideration of 202; could be a second SK crumb?

Quick lexa hits-

Don't think Lexa tries to call out her scumbuddies on their posts or on possibly being an SK.

Temp clear for Fire & Key.

[PeregrineV]

2004: umlaut votes lowell, bringing him to 6 votes (l-3).
2006: lexa votes lowell, bringing him to l-2.
Finding this I realized that the next vote is 2007: chickadee votes lowell, bringing him to l-1.

I think that umlaut, lexa, and chickadee all being scum together is unlikely. Like would three scum really pile onto lowell consecutively to bring him to l-1?

Depends on the consistency of earlier reads on lowell and any reasons given for the vote on him over Avagant.

Was there?

[PeregrineV]

fire doesn't need to be cleared I'm masons with him

I'm sure you build beautiful stonework together.

[PeregrineV]

fire doesn't need to be cleared I'm masons with him

I'm sure you build beautiful stonework together.

broken image

I think the board breaks them, or the hosting site when the image is posted to a board.
Annoying.

http://bizarro.com/wp-content/uploads/2 ... 5aWEB1.jpg

[PeregrineV]

w/r/t their reads on lowell, chick said she scumread him (1198) but didn't explain why. Searching "lowell" on her iso only brings up four hits. Two are votes with no substantive explanation (1226, 2007). She responds to lowell in 1535 and tells him to read the thread. There's not a whole lot there but chick was pretty low content day 1.

Peregrine can you be more clear with your thoughts about 3 scum potentially voting lowell in a row like that?

I haven't thought about it per se, yet. I don't know how much time was left in the day, and a Lowell mislynch was maybe the best they could hope for?

Going back over Ava from Lexa

1782-

I like the thought behind (495)ava's deconstruction of a Lowell counter wagon, not enough to get town points but a good opening look

Key reads atm

town: creature,

alisae

,

ava

, trans, chick

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: Chick

WHY WOULD SHE NEIGHBOR THE OBVIOUS NK. PLEASE TURBO LYNCH THIS

He was the obvious doc target.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: ava

Lexa's lowell vote was when ava and lowell both were at 6 votes

This is good info, if it is accurate. Do you have posts/pages you can post or at least reference?

Vote Count 1.21

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Eddie Cane (2): Lil Uzi Vert, chickadee
Lowell (5): Fykus, Avagantimos, Creature, PeregrineV, LicketyQuickety
keyenpeydee (1): gerryoat
gerryoat (1): Lexa
Umlaut (2): keyenpeydee, Lowell
Avagantimos (6): Transcend, aronagrundy, Firebringer, Alisae, Eddie Cane, Umlaut

Not Voting (0):

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2017-04-17 18:30:10)

2004: umlaut votes lowell, bringing him to 6 votes (l-3).
2006: lexa votes lowell, bringing him to l-2.
Finding this I realized that the next vote is 2007: chickadee votes lowell, bringing him to l-1.

I think that umlaut, lexa, and chickadee all being scum together is unlikely. Like would three scum really pile onto lowell consecutively to bring him to l-1?

Mod fixed quote tag

The move by Umlaut over to Lowell took Ava down to 5, and put Lowell at 6. Lexa could have just jumped on for momentum's sake (except for the Lexa-Ava suspicious connection).

Lowell was voting Umalut, so I could see a crossvote reason there.

[PeregrineV]

I wonder if I could fake roles a lot and when I flip id have clearly crumbed my actual actions in the real claimand I could use that to give away results

lol

found my new meta

It's best as long as you are clear.

Bad interpretations have lost games.

[PeregrineV]

The issue is Chickadee can prove rherself tonight. If she friendly neightbors the NK or she is "blocked", we can lynch her tomorrow.

Vote: Avagantimos

pedit- LOL

[PeregrineV]

perenoia time: Pere is partners with chick trying to buy her a day because she's a mafia strongman they want to use one more time on fykus, and ava is town

《¿》

Meh.

I don't buy it.

[PeregrineV]

Sunday prod dodge. Back tomorrow.

[PeregrineV]

Lynch 1.
Shoot the other.
Still want claims tho.

Good morning

VOTE: Lowell

My possible actions are as follows (all 1 shot):
commuter
friendly neighbor
neighborizer - which I successfully used on Uzi, but he died, so it was useless. I say successful, because the neighborhood exists. I can post there if I want, but Uzi can't on account of being dead and all.


So yes, I would say that those abilities are based mostly on self preservation.


I'm not a miller.
I'm not a newbie either. Just because I haven't played much here, does not mean I'm a newbie, and I wish people would stop saying that. I've played for eight years. I feel like everyone is scum reading me because I'm new

here

. This entire game has just been "Nah, this is their meta, end of story."

someone hammer so we can move on please

People want a hammer.

Why should I hammer Chick?

VOTE: Chickadee

For the record. I keep explaining how the two ends of day were different, but since clearly nobody is listening, I guess I should just quote it.

People also don't want town PRs lynched.

You gave no reason for the Chicakdee hammer. If you are saying, Liquity wanted it, then that's a shit reason.
It was also Day2, not Day1, thereby making your hammer shiitter.
There was many more days left in the Day, thereby making your hammer shiiter.
By shittier, I mean way more scummier.

Hope that helps....

[PeregrineV]

Vote Count 3.02

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Avagantimos (4): Umlaut, aronagrundy, keyenpeydee, LicketyQuickety
Umlaut (4): Firebringer, Eddie Cane, Transcend, gerryoat
Firebringer (1): Creature
gerryoat (1): Avagantimos

Not Voting (1): PeregrineV

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2017-05-01 12:45:00)

Readin, and am up to here.

My picks for scum as of right this moment are keyenpeydee, gerryoat, and Creature.

More reading after catching up, but want this out there.

[PeregrineV]

I want to know Peregrine's thoughts

Funny you should mention that....

[PeregrineV]

No, I wasn't part of that lynch.

To your credit, you weren't a part of either mislynch. Sorry for the mistake.

You're still angling to be on both of today's prospective mislynches, so there's that.

If both you and umlaut are town,
I will personally make an apology note to each and every player in this gameZ

News flash: not going to happen

Don't need an apology note. Just go look at keyenpeydee, gerryoat, and Creature and talk about why they are not scum.

[PeregrineV]

Ok so why am I scum

Lexa's scumread on you where she tried to question you. She also questioned alisae and Uzi, and they both responded. You didn't.
I think that's because she was fake scumhunting. And you knew it.

AND

Your vote in 2796.

AND

Your response in 2844 that does not comment on anything that Trasncend says EXCEPT when he gets to

My gut is telling me to vote keyen

then you immediately point out that last time he did so he was wrong.

Let's start with those three reasons.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: umlaut

This is fine too. He's pretty much scumreading Ava when it's convenient to. I just had a knee jerk reaction to his recent posting

At no point has there been anything convenient about not scumreading Ava.

Go read Creaure, Key and gerry. and give thoughts please.

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, since you are actually willing to explain things instead of just saying "you're scum because you're scum because you're scum," maybe you can tell me what you think of Eddie.

I don't like how he plays, but that's my issue.

I think he is town, mostly because when he did his chicakdee thing yesterday, 2145, 2146.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Gerrygoat

RIP Uzi

This range specifically:
LicketyQuickety

Creature

keyenpeydee

Lil Uzi Vert
aronagrundy
PeregrineV

gerryoat

You sound like you have an unrealistic view on activity.

Only

Key

and

Gerry

fit your description.

[PeregrineV]

No.

lol.

Yes.

[PeregrineV]

No, I wasn't part of that lynch.

To your credit, you weren't a part of either mislynch. Sorry for the mistake.

You're still angling to be on both of today's prospective mislynches, so there's that.

If both you and umlaut are town,
I will personally make an apology note to each and every player in this gameZ

News flash: not going to happen

Don't need an apology note. Just go look at keyenpeydee, gerryoat, and Creature and talk about why they are not scum.

[PeregrineV]

No.

lol.

Yes.

No

Yes.

[PeregrineV]

Vote umlaut

Nah.

Fire is town and Eddie is town, lynch creature for voting obvious town rn

VOTE: Creature

You should stay on Creature.

[PeregrineV]

uhhh i'd vote key too

No doubt.

Looking at your ISO, you already "caught" Key and Chick.

You pushed hard for Chick for scum, and she flipped town.

The Key push.....not so much.

[PeregrineV]

Yes.

No.

Yes.

[PeregrineV]

SOMEONE TALK TO ME

Sure, what's up?

[PeregrineV]

i am kind of just waiting for everyone to agree with me.
or is this going to be one of those games where none of my preferred lynches goes off and I am sitting in the corner just screaming at everyone?

cause thats basically what I have been doing for three straight days.

You can tell why Creature, Key and Gerry are town.

[PeregrineV]

Let the record show that:
1) I said Lowell was one of the worst lynches for Day 1. You all did that.
2) I said a Chickadee lynch, even though I thought she was scummy, was terrible because she wasn't the ninja. You all still did that.
3) I told everyone that Eddie was lying but we shouldn't lynch him. YOU ALL TRIED TO LYNCH HIM.
4) Now I say, "Hey, lets lynch one of Umlaut and Podo", and theres so much fucking resistance thats its unbelievable.

I want to shoot PeregrineV.
I want to shoot Keyen.
I want to shoot Arongrundy also, but less so than those other two.

Then vote Keyen.

1) Lowell was VT, there are obviously WAY worse lynches (see Chicakdee)
2) She was not only NOT the ninja, she wasn't even scum.
3) You give no reasons and expect to be listened to, but then give reasons and expect to be listened to? Eddie is still alive, mostly due to Eddie.
4) You've been saying Umlaut since forever, and he's always in your scumlist. You are probably lacking that whole reasons thing, so it basically the same opinion as everyone else, but with less support, since, like, there is no supporting reason.

However, you're happy to lynch Key, or shoot him, so why are you avoiding him now?

Or vote Gerry

Or Creature.

[PeregrineV]

Key and eddie are town

I want to see podo or umlaut flip. We need another red flip

How about a full round of all players, and where they stand with you?

[PeregrineV]

Eddie is still alive because of Eddie?

Sure, why not?

[PeregrineV]

are you sure Eddie didn't just pocket Eddie

Probably did. Just wait for him to scumslip, then pounce on it!

Can you check you pockets and give thoughts on Gerry and Keyen?

And why you think Creature is scum.

[PeregrineV]

PV are you saying that you think me and Key are teamed? LOL

Yes.

[PeregrineV]

LOL you know what happened to the last person to say that?

Nope.

Spoiler: Here is Keypen trying to figure you out

im pr dont lynch me

U're not being lynched

*jumps*

ily for this

WTF 56 PAGES AND I'M ON PAGE 36

just dont read like me

That wouldn't help town.

Anyways, I haven't ate yet so I'll be right back. I'm on page 48 or something.

It seems like what gerry says are easy things for scum to say.

VOTE: LQ
Don't really like how he feels about Alisae's claim.

nice bus attempt. im already onto you two

lol

my vote is currently parked on mafia

lol no

Transcend, do you really want to follow your gut on me? Are you gonna follow your gut like what happened last game we're both in?
Actually, other than Ava and Umlaut being my scumreads, I'm a bit worried of gerryoat. I haven't seen him post serious contents. He's just shitposting. But is typical gerryoat really like that?

[PeregrineV]

And the converse(? inverse? traverse? reverse?)-

Spoiler: You "hunting" Keypen

TOWNREADS:
Alisae
FB
Eddie
Ava
Ariana Grande
Transcend
LQ
LUV
Chick

IDK:
All that isn't mentioned

bad reads cause im not in TR pile

WTF 56 PAGES AND I'M ON PAGE 36

just dont read like me

That wouldn't help town.

slip

VOTE: key

He just talked as though he wasn't part of town

ok when key flips scum, I'll quote all of this

VOTE: LQ
Don't really like how he feels about Alisae's claim.

nice bus attempt. im already onto you two

Last time I went by this logic, the person was mafia.

someone called me our for that once and I was mafia

then vote key

LQ, Key, Fire should be the lynch circle today

scum: LQ, lowell, gerry, key

LOOOOL DID LEXA JUST SAY IM SCUM WITH LQ AND KEY.

Lexa please explain that read. How do you teamread me and LQ or Key.

Also if you scumread them, why not vote one of them since I've clearly stated I wanted either of them lynched

Lexa thinks i can be mafia with LQ and key lol

vote key

VOTE: key

uhhh i'd vote key too

[PeregrineV]

Plus the part I already explained where the only hard push you made was on Chick.

[PeregrineV]

If you're thinking of lynching gerry or key I'd rather lynch key due to ~reasons~

Those ~reasons~ being?

[PeregrineV]

Guys did I do wrong upon claiming?

Yes.

But Rest In Peace for this game.

[PeregrineV]

If scum could kill Pere next, that would be great.

Honestly, that does not seem to be a very town attitude. Are you scum that we are all just not seeing?

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Creature

@Fire-

IGMEOY

[PeregrineV]

oh wait it's sunday and you only post once

: (

Wife wanted to fight, so had to wake up early.

Probably going to clean the garage and watch Dimension 404 then play werewolf tonight, so probably not back until tomorrow.

[PeregrineV]

Maybe I am losing it. Pretty sure I meant Gerry.

Vote: gerrygoat

[PeregrineV]

I looked at creatures ISO and I still don't think he's town. Why am I missing @fire

[PeregrineV]

@fire

I looked at creatures ISO and I still don't think he's town. Why am I missing @fire

[PeregrineV]

Town Depowered Double Voter.

All my double votes count for half of double, or one vote.

I choose to use both (one) of mine on gerry. Why won't you?

[PeregrineV]

With about 4 days left, gaining flexibility in my lynch choices.

Will check the next VC and see.

[PeregrineV]

I have Eddie Cane (for obvious reasons), podoboq (for his recent reaction) and LicketyQuickety (idk why, maybe he's doing things scum!him don't do?) as townreads.

UNVOTE:

In the first page of your iso, you were voting both podo and Lickety.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Creature

I keep looking at the ISO for scumhunting, and can't seem to find any. Posts, yes. Attempts to find and figure scum, no.

[PeregrineV]

How much longer till Pere is prodded?

Day just started. I'm here.

[PeregrineV]

So if Pere votes on LQ.....

I don't know if that will make me relieved or freak out

I already read through LQ, and I don't think he is scum. Given that, he probably is, but right now not voting him.

Thought Gerry is, but thought Creature and Keypee was also, and was wrong 2/2 on them.

So, frankly, ain't voting without more reading.

[PeregrineV]

I'll tell you why Transcend is confirmed scum to me, LQ has no reason to self hammer if i'm voting town. Because his mafia buddies could just blitz.

Walk me through that, because I don't get it.

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV -

1. You said that you thought LQ was likely town. This doesn't damn you at all because until I reread the slot, I felt the same way. Can you quote specifics that made you think he was town?

2. You didn't vote yesterday, but I can only assume you were gonna vote me yesterday. Just confirm or deny this.

3. It seems like you've made poor judgment throughout the course of the game. Do you think you'll trust yourself or the slots in the gy for the remainder of the game?

1. I could, but it doesn;t matter, as it would be wrong.

2. Not sure, I had intent to read first.

3. Doesn't matter, at this point the odds have to be in my favor, I'm 50/50 or better.

Anyway, I think Podoq is scum. Can't find the other one yet, because every podoq wagon was almost a lynch, key players are missing.

2850 Podoq at L-2, Transcend and Gerry off the wagon, scumLQ and Aron on the wagon

Stuff like that.

[PeregrineV]

Pod, aron, pv. What are your scumreads

Podoq

Probably one of you/Trans.

If you, you are the designated bus, because both LQ and Pdodq are calling you scum a lot in their ISOs, but I thought when I pushed for your lynch earlier, they actually weren't biting.

If Trans, then his posting is a lot more coaching. Neither LQ nor podoq directly engage him, nor he them. Although some of his posts look like they try, sort of.

Or could be Aron- I haven't looked for his relationship yet.

[PeregrineV]

Ok. Yesterday If transcend is town I am town. That's one vote on transcend that's town. That means all the remaining mafia can all vote transcend. Since it was lylo. You only need one town to vote wrong so you can win. If transcend is town there is no reason to self hammer. Understand, PV?

Sure there was, since being scum is hard, and a scum self-hammer is forgivable if your scum, because being scum is hard.

And let's look closely-

LicketyQuickety

(4):

Firebringer

, Transcend, podoboq,

LicketyQuickety

Transcend (1): gerryoat

Not Voting (2):

PeregrineV

, aronagrundy

If you are scum with LQ and podoq, you would have to convince Fire, me or Aon to vote Transcend with you.

Fire wasn't going to do it.

Aron wasn't around

There was no guarantee I could be convinced.

It would be easier for the scumteam to kill their own effective VT and end the day quicker.

[PeregrineV]

1. I'd like you to so that I know exactly what was going on in your mind at the time and you weren't BSing.

2. Fair enough

3. Ok

I also think podoboq is scum, but not for the reasons you stated.

1. Maybe later, I'm supposed to be getting ready to throw a party. I wish I was BSing, it's a lot less work.

My reason is more like "He's way more obvious than whoever the last scum is."

[PeregrineV]

Neither LQ nor podoq directly engage him

I disagree btw

I think I've interacted with those two the most this game and they engaged me quite a bit as well.

Yes, but not in the same manner as they did Firebringer.

[PeregrineV]

i knew there was a reason pv won his best town player award

I shut up and let town do it's thing.

[PeregrineV]

fuck it

lynch podoboq tomorrow if i die

if i'm wrong i have been bum-fucked by either pv or arona.

VOTE: gerryoat

That's dumb.

Get podoq first, he's guaranteed.

Vote: Podoq

[PeregrineV]

i want u to townread me

have we ever won a game as town together pv?

i think we lost all of them

Dunno. You're kind of new.

[PeregrineV]

Ok, seriously, need to get goods and stuff.

I'll check in tonight, maybe, so I can use my new iPad I bought me!

[PeregrineV]

how sure are you on that

If i'm wrong, then it's you/Gerry, and I'm fucked anyway,

Or you/arongrundy, and I'm fucked, but then you could probably make Arongundy vote more often, better, etc, and let him be bussed first

Or Gerry/arongrundy, in which case once again why not kill arongrundy for towncred and leave Lickety alive.

So, sure enough?

[PeregrineV]

congrats

for the time being i'm gonna vote gerry fwiw

Ok. Watch the thread and see if he garners vote 2, then do what you need to.

[PeregrineV]

Fun game guys!!

Thanks for modding, Frog!!!!

[PeregrineV]

Lol at least wait til I'm here when you're finally active. Gg tho

In an ideal world I would've hammered when neither of you were active. I overthink too much

If you ever get better than 50/50 in lylo, you'll be doing well.