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No need to ever lie.In post 41, pisskop wrote:even in a game where you are obligated to lie a quarter of the time?-
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Voting mod-confirmed town is scummy. It's similar to self-voting but much worse, much more pro-scum, because while a self-vote might lead to a meaningful wagon on yourself, voting mod-confirmed town leads to nothing, because mod-confirmed town isn't ever getting lynched. There's no possibility of deriving anything meaningful from Transcend's vote and that itself is scummy, it obscures his motives.In post 57, Egg wrote:Fourtrouble, why should we lynch transcend?-
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That warrants a mod-kill.In post 83, Ginngie wrote:Town of salem had an innocent child role and I said, hey lets lynch the IC for lulz-
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I thought PM's initial comment on the confirmation felt town. My response was similar ("wow, quick confirmation, too bad we didn't get the confirmation after more posting, after people took positions"). The rest of PM's posts changed my read. His posts are awkward, and over-qualifying his responses with shit like "honestly," which never sits well with me.In post 84, Ginngie wrote:In post 18, FourTrouble wrote:PMysterious feels town.
You need more words on theseIn post 28, FourTrouble wrote:I take back what I said about PM earlier.-
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What's forced about it? He voted mod-confirmed town. Even if it's "troll," it's pro-scum, for the reasons I've already mentioned.In post 120, Crush wrote:But is it enough to jump on him for? Especially since it was the first vote of the day (and likely a troll vote). Seems kinda forced.-
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This doesn't answer my question. I articulated my reasons. You disagree with them. Disagreement doesn't make a vote "forced."In post 159, Crush wrote:Because troll votes don't serve any purpose. No one would ever lynch a confirmed town, it's not pro-scum because it leads to nothing, his vote doesn't benefit scum in any way. I would say it's actually more pro-town because it evokes interactions like the one we're having, and that's all D1 is about.-
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If you're asking why, because he's painting me as scummy despite having obviously-legitimate (i.e. non-scummy) reasons to vote you. He's assuming you're town in ways that don't square with the game while subtly looking for a mislynch (on me) for reasons that also don't square with the game.In post 158, Transcend wrote:Quoi?-
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Why?In post 166, Transcend wrote:Pm is prob town-
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Why?In post 189, Ginngie wrote:Transcend sounds like a righteous wagon-
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What about him says town?In post 183, Egg wrote:I don't see it in Crush. I don't understand where the votes are coming from and my early gut read on him says town.-
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Why?In post 202, Ginngie wrote:I feel it in my bones-
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The ease of a wagon has little to do with whether someone is scum. But the fact that you'd focus on a wagon's ease as opposed to the player's alignment, that's concerning.In post 207, WhyMafia wrote:Lynching transcend is like the easiest wagon
In addition, it's probably a joke vote? I think any player would realize voting a mod confirmed town is completely pointless. Considering it was RVS and the first post in the game, I don't think anything a player posts at that point in the game would have a motive
Everyone has a motive for their posts, including RVS posts. Townies typically want to get out of RVS as quickly as they can, while scum don't really care how long RVS lasts, since they're just trying to avoid getting caught.-
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Where do you see him thinking critically about Transcend? The way I read it, Crush's posts assume Transcend is town and work from there.In post 206, Egg wrote:Lapsa, crush's attitude towards transcend seems like someone who is thinking critically. He seems to genuinely be trying to determine transcend's alignment. And his conclusion doesn't seem like one that scum would push the way he is.-
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If scum have the opportunity to take an easy wagon with solid reasoning on town, sure. But that assumes the person is town, something scum do but not town. If town think someone is scum, regardless of whether it's an easy wagon (and maybe precisely because it's easy and solid), they'll vote that person as quickly as scum would (and maybe quicker if the player is in fact scum). My point is that the ease of a wagon doesn't tell you much about the alignments the wagoners unless you have a clear read on the player (and you've been pretty clear that you've got Transcend as null, which means the ease of the wagon shouldn't be entering your analysis).In post 231, WhyMafia wrote:In my opinion it does. If scum have the opportunity to take an easy wagon, with solid reasoning they probably would. Meanwhile town would, or rather should, critically look and analyze everyone's posts, even if there's an easier lynch target. And I think it was obvious based on my other posts what I think on transcend (that he's null)
However, I don't like his wagon, which therefore is giving me a nulltown read (albeit very thin)-
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What's your question?In post 248, Lapsa wrote:@four_trouble how come?-
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His reaction to the IC mirrored mine. I thought the confirmation would have been more useful later in the game after people took positions, and PM's post hinted at a similar reaction. It obviously wasn't a solid read, since I retracted it soon after.In post 260, Lapsa wrote:@four_trouble how come you townread PM that quickly?-
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Why?In post 262, WhyMafia wrote:
ScummyIn post 249, FourTrouble wrote:@WhyMafia - what do you think of Gamma?
I'm trying to sort him, getting hints of both town and scum.-
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Looking through Gamma, he starts off town then gets scummier:
I get hints of town from this. It's neutral towards his skills. Scum tend to downplay.In post 24, Gamma Emerald wrote:I had to go on hiatus for like two months
I've officially won and lost games as Town and mafia since my return
This felt town. He's not joining an "easy" wagon. It feels like he's genuinely looking for scum, sees a dude enter the game who isn't contributing, so he votes that dude.
Excitement to start a game is typically more town than scum. But the "fifth amendment" thing throws me off. Feels like he's trying to hard to seem like he don't give any fucks.In post 96, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why are you asking me what's forced about it? Fifth Amendment bitch!
I was happy to start what seemed like an exciting game.
Then these two posts have hints of scum:
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Were you not IC I'd have your ass for this. Is there not the possibility we are scummates?In post 75, Lapsa wrote:
wish you had separate chat with gamma so you could fluff all day longIn post 40, PMysterious wrote:Yes, of course I take my word seriously, pisskop. I'm a rather serious guy when it counts.
As for my name. Let's see, I started out with Mysterio, as in Rey Mysterio (from pro wrestling), but then I replaced Rey with P (the first letter of my first and last name), and instead of Mysterio, I added in a "us". So, that's how I got PMysterious. Had that nickname for almost 8 years now, to be perfectly honest.
I don't get what he' doing. There's no scumhunting. Continuous trolling from a defensive posture. Dunno if it's his playstyle or what. Probably would need to look into that meta he pointed at earlier to get a better read. I'm not seeing anything solid enough for the growing consensus on his alignment. Would be great if someone explained.In post 119, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I mean that was a scummy post. That assumes we're not mafia with daychat.In post 102, Lapsa wrote:
are you trying to say that my role could be an obstacle for you playing town efficiently?In post 100, Gamma Emerald wrote: Were you not IC I'd have your ass for this. Is there not the possibility we are scummates?-
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More importantly, what do you think of Gamma's alignment?In post 291, Theta Alpine wrote:okay wait why do we have someone this close to lynch this early day 1-
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What made you go from null to scum on Gamma?In post 223, Lexa wrote:VOTE: Gamma Emerald-
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I had the opposite reaction. Positions aren't strong. Reads on Egg and PM are qualified with "idk." And mostly regurgitates safe positions that others have articulated.In post 358, Egg wrote:
I don't agree with everything in this post, but I like it for a town post. Not afraid to take solid stances.In post 356, Lore wrote:lynching transcend seems dumb for what was essentially a joke.
egg gives me townfeels at this point but idk theres not that much info yet
PMysterious seemed too literal when the game started, obviously pisskop has been scum before but does that lie matter or was it a joke that was blown out of proportion. but then later i think PM did some pretty good analysis on gamma so idk
I like WM explanation of transcend's meme vote (232). that makes sense to me, even though i think it was a dumb joke in the first place.
I think overall the lazer focus/L-4 on gamma is a bit fast, too fast for a wagon imo. my top scum reads are crush for avoiding voting and gin for being weird about scum reads but its still v early-
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Her language is very halting. I get the sense she's scared to post, scared to fuck up.In post 391, texcat wrote:What's your fascination with Theta? She's barely posted. Hardly anything to form an opinion on. What do you think is insanely awkward about her 4 posts?
Then look at 291. The words "okay wait," followed by her question, express concern. But there's no attempt to weigh in. Feels like she's pretending to care about Gamma's lynch. Contrived emotion, surrounded by a lots of nothingness.-
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@Ginn - nobody asked you to push a lynch. You've been asked questions about your reads. In my case, I didn't understand the read, so I was hoping to get your insights. I was also trying to read you, to sort your alignment. And the best way to sort your alignment is to understand your perspective on the game. But instead, you ignored my question, not because you missed it, but because you thought ignoring me was somehow pro-town.
So, it's clear you don't want to work with me, or with anyone else... you'd rather work alone. And maybe that's how you've always played. But it's also suboptimal. You're missing the forest for the trees because, in effect, you're setting a precedent that lets scum follow your lead (i.e. if you don't have to explain your reads, or answer questions, or work with anyone, then neither do scum), which makes it more difficult to identify scum (and if identified, to collectively lynch them). Now, I could get into more detail about what you're doing wrong but I don't feel like launching into an extensive mafia lesson in the middle of a game. You'll play as you do and we'll have to adapt. In 7 days, you'll imagine yourself "breaking" the game. And the game might indeed "break" because of your play but I doubt it'll be in the way you imagine.-
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Yes, obviously.In post 441, Ginngie wrote:
The question about feeling it in my bones?In post 437, FourTrouble wrote:@Ginn - why'd you ignore my question?
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I never said you wouldn't play. Stop putting words in my mouth.In post 449, Ginngie wrote:but FourT, I ask for real, because you're under the false assumption that I won't produce or play content, that gives ABR the green light to tunnel with no actual reason being stated?
If you're playing how you are, I can't fault someone for tunneling you. That's part of why your "personal philosophy" makes this game more difficult than need be.-
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Saying stuff you don't mean. Ignoring questions. Not posting substantive content for 7 days, after which you'll purportedly "break" the game.In post 459, Ginngie wrote:
Okay so in your eyes, what am I doing?In post 456, FourTrouble wrote:
I never said you wouldn't play. Stop putting words in my mouth.In post 449, Ginngie wrote:but FourT, I ask for real, because you're under the false assumption that I won't produce or play content, that gives ABR the green light to tunnel with no actual reason being stated?
If you're playing how you are, I can't fault someone for tunneling you. That's part of why your "personal philosophy" makes this game more difficult than need be.-
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I said your play is pro-scum. But that doesn't mean you're scum. Townies do pro-scum shit. And towns lose games. You've made yourself incredibly difficult to read (that's part of why you're playing pro-scum), so I don't know. You've said you play this way every game. I'll probably check your meta to confirm. I'm also waiting to see how your play changes in 7 days. Meanwhile, I'm also trying to get through to you and hopefully sort your alignment that way. I've not settled yet.In post 469, Ginngie wrote:Why do you essentially agree on votes on me but choose not to support that wagon?-
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lol that's some hardcore confbias...In post 494, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
The cerebral, over-analytical turnaround. How surprising is this? The angry hulk achieved self-awareness in 1 page. Anybody want to see how this movie ends? Buy more Ginngie votes to find out!In post 491, Ginngie wrote:
There's like this little tick, idk it's like someone sets off a switch and I just pounce. Psychology wise, I think it's because I can't believe someone would scum read and my ego rushes in to try and find out what is up.In post 480, Tchill13 wrote:Why argue so violently about votes on you if you know you're town? Since scum usually does that wouldn't that just cause a lot of confusion for town?
I dunno, it's just how I am and I get angry a lot, trying to turn new leaf to playing a lot more relaxed because this is a text based game on the internet but I haven't quite reached the point where I can be at peace when people scum read me yet.-
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