Large Normal 208 - Fireworks Festival [End]

[Nauci]

I feel like every time I have thought I was caught up on this thread, I f5'ed and there were 1 or 2 more, since maybe page 8... Inb4 HST quote.

Y'all go fast!

Also hi, I'm new to this site but bored of my newbie game soooooo... hi.

My thoughts so far:

-There are some angry dudes here. Dang. I suggest getting a dog and maybe some blood pressure pills.

-Who's Cloudie?

-Cabd has basically full claimed, short of quoting bits of his role PM.

-Cabd's day 1 claim makes sense if the following assumptions are true:

-There's no way to grant Town 2 lynches without revealing that he's the one who did it.
-It had to be done on day 1.

If those are true, then it's quite pro town. Obviously having 2 lynches later on in the game would be way better, so I am assuming Cabd is a sane actor and does not have that option. And also the other thing because I hope he has an IQ above 50.

Two lynches day 1 aren't optimal since the chances of double mislynching are high, but more lynches is almost inheretly pro town. At worst, it gives us 2 flips worth of info, but more importantly it's 2 opportunities for murdering scum. I'd love to know more details about it since there's not much we can do for Cabd now if he's town. I assume we'd have to vote both at the same time, not just see a flip and then get to vote the other one? The latter seems pretty OP.

All players are confirmed but a lot haven't post yet. Hmm.

[Nauci]

Shit do I need an animu grill avatar to blend in

Or is the Coalition of Cats okay?

[Nauci]

P.S.

Does the 8 day long D1 phase mean that even if we decide on a lynch, it'll just be "twilight" time until the end of 8 days before it's processed? Or is that just the maximum time limit?

[Nauci]

-Who's Cloudie?

Joey_
I mentioned this earlier

Oh I must have missed it in my attempt to catch up as quickly as I could. My bad.

[Nauci]

Everytime i read the thread the post quality just declines.

you're playing a normal what did you expect

Oh yeah I forgot.

pedit: no you need anime

What does the p stand for?

Also, you're so right.

Fixed.

[Nauci]

I'm always* on board with policy dunking lurkers

VOTE: I Am Innocent

*for applicable-whenever-I-damn-feel-like-it definitions of "always"

[Nauci]

TIAM, are you angry at Cabd for claiming, for not claiming, or do you think he's scum?

I'm not entirely sure at this point.

[Nauci]

I'll make it more obvious when I am joking in the future.

[Nauci]

Hey Nauci
I have some problems with your post it feels really scummy like you're trying to sit on the sidelines
so let me pull ya into the spotlight
Do you have any reads so far?
I don't suggest looking into Cabd's role too much he likes do do gambits.

I don't have many reads at the moment besides what I've post, no.

In my experience, people willing to pull shit like Cabd are generally trying to stir up shit in a good way and providing something to talk about that will help us figure out people's shit. Seems unlikely scum would do it early because if it fell through we'd lynch them day 2? I will give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

I don't really want to make more reads until we figure out more stuff, like wtf that firecracker command did. Are we supposed to stop posting after certain commands? Did it murder someone? Was it a joke?

[Nauci]

Only scum read is dunk. Everyone else posting regularly is town.

VOTE: I Am Innocent

Lurker vote.

Since when are pressure votes on D1 that are like 8 away from hammer considered indicative of scum reads?

[Nauci]

WHY ARE WE MENTIONING LURKING 12 HOURS INTO DAY 1
sorry just wanted to make that clear

I was just joshing around.

Where I usually play mafia we do quite a bit of silly shit the first day (and also probably the rest of the days). Sadly we're on hiatus!

[Nauci]

On the topic of lurking, I've got to get back to preparing for the biggest event of the year in my line of work. Running a booth at TwitchCon! Will be posting lightly Wednesday-Monday.

I didn't expect the thread to go quite this quickly, and I must admit I'm quite naive!

[Nauci]

Who wants to vote TwoInAMillion with me?
VOTE: 2 in a 1000000

Por que?

[Nauci]

I'm town, and the first person to scumread me dies tonight

I fos garrybote

say goodbye

Firecracker: Alisae

OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!1

not a joke, you die tonight lol

what

what did you do

tell us everything

[Nauci]

I usually park my vote on a non-poster until I get a real read, though.

[Nauci]

I swapped my avatar back to not confuse the people in my other game.

[Nauci]

Is unvote a forum code separate from vote?

I'm new to the site but I've played forum mafia like 5x?

3 of those were wacky open heavily flavored games though, with Pokemon and ghosts and zombies and odd day insane mirror role cops and whatnot.

So I know the gist of lots of potential roles (having read the Normal Game mafia wiki page and whatnot) but am not a seasoned pro at tactics or anything.

I'm not interested in trying to aggressively make calls and reads just to try and look townie. I am town, and will scum hunt at the rate that information occurs, and vote pressure generally doesn't affect me.

Also I will try not to be since I'm new and hard to interpret, but I tend to be quite trolly/facetious or sarcastic/satirical in general because I'm one of those nerd smartasses who probably used to call non nerds plebs and troglodytes back in middle school so... You have been forewarned?

If I'd gotten here in the first 5 pages I would have claimed insane pgo odd-night dousing town aligned arson, if that's any indication of my usual posting style!

Also I dislike having to explain every single reason I might read someone as scum because it helps scum learn to avoid that behavior. Is that something y'all do here outside of newbie games?

[Nauci]

I know. But I'm still curious how to get the fancy highlighted Unvote commands!

Okay quick bits before I go to bed (I'm one of those people who constantly talks about how I won't be able to play because I'm sleeping/on a plane/etc. But then 10 minutes later posts again about how I just spent 20 freaking dollars on shitty Delta WiFi because my addiction is real...).

-I am at an obvious disadvantage because I don't know who any of you are, what time zones you're in, any of your game history or play style or personality info, etc.

-Axel's post that looked 50% hatter material to me mostly looked like speculations on player styles, personalities, and mental states and other meta bits. Seems like that's his play style, to factor newness and other things outside of the thread into decisions. I am internally debating how much value I want to assign to these insights/how much I trust any of it. Seems like rather weird stuff to make up if he's scum though.

-I disagree with TIAM's assessment of the Cabd play, but think his line of inquiry was townish

Generally I am much less suspicious of people pocketing each other or directing each other in thread in awkward bumbling ways, since there's no reason for scum to not just coordinate in their thread, and it's far fetched to stage incompetent collusion in thread. Then again there's like, non-scum-pm scum roles, right?

Gerry seems quite yolo, and dunker seems to be the terse yet silly type. Ucv seems to have a similar stupid sense of humor as I do. Others in the thread seem to really not appreciate silly humor (I feel like at least 2 people have voiced displeasure at the macho miller joke?).

I'm probably going to interact but not make many calls until I get a better feel for everyone's style and tone, because making public hunches while trying to learn people's personalities (and remember your usernames) is useless, IMO.

My only reads thus far are a slight town leaning for Axel, townish for TIAM, and a useful-to-town-at-worst reading for Cabd. Is it possible he's lying completely? Sure. But announcing it has turned up more stones and reactions than most shit post so far, and that's pro town to me in addition to 2 chances to hit scum, regardless of his alignment. I think more lynches is almost always pro town, except in the rare case of mislynching a good PR D1. If we lynch scum, awesome. If we get to lynch anti-town/incompetent town, it's not terrible for us. If we mislynch town, well we still get their flips as solid info, with all the reactions to read from there. We'll have to cross that bridge when Cabd comes to it.

P.S. what's FOS?

P.S.S. stop descending into WIFOM madness over my speculations on Cabd. As a newcomer to this group of posters it's all I've got!

I promise I'm not shy about votes and pressure when I start catching reads.

[Nauci]

Nevermind, figured out "FOS."

[Nauci]

Gerry seems quite yolo,

what do you mean by this? how is this even a read?

I'm not sure what you mean by "read" here.

It's the impression I have, thus far, of your posting style. Quickly lobbed tid bits of reactionary or impulsive posting which is thus far NAI.

[Nauci]

FOS: AxelGreaser

back at you,
except i have a question


Can you explain why you thought these were good <pro town> questions to ask?

He hasn't given us the details:

*What is the name of the role?
*Is it only one shot?
*Can it be used any day?
*Are there restrictions on when it can be used?
*Do you have any other powers in addition to this one?

How experienced is TIAM?

Accidental scumfishing is a trademark of new players.

But otherwise, it was quite the bit of scumfishing.

All we need to know for now is that Cabd has something up his sleeve that's demonstrable in the future, and giving more details to scum is probably anti town at this point. Obviously there are things we'd love to know about how it functions as town, but not necessarily at the expense of telling scum.

Awaiting more Cabd contributions to the thread for now!

[Nauci]

@Axle

My bad! I totally see the cock up now. I had meant to simply ask how experienced he was but sometimes I just vomit a lot of words.

[Nauci]

Gah I'm on mobile in bed and accidentally hit post.

I had originally intended to quote it and follow up ask him or you for an assessment of his experience level, but the comment somehow got away from me and I vomitted out my reasonings for wanting to know.

Didn't mean to smokescreen. T_T

[Nauci]

FOS is finger of suspicion.

What do you think about the wagon on you?

I forgot to directly answer this.

I don't have any particular reads as a result of the suspicion on me.

I understand why my joke about dunking lurkers sounds scummy if not taken as a joke. As I said before, the bits analyzing my read on Cabd get rather WIFOM when I was just offering up my perspective on something important to us.

I'd like to think that people will be more understanding of my low intel, few reads situation.

I don't think it's particularly telling if anyone was on me because they thought I was being scummy or if any actual scum were trying to drive an easy mislynch-the-new-person wagon. At least, not as telling as people's reactions to a claimed can-prove-today town PR.

[Nauci]

Cabd doesn't *need* to post.

But we're all, in whatever sense, waiting for him to make his move.

Lol @ pocketing Cabd because I made a rational analysis of an event.

@Axel, I wanted to find out how experienced of a player TIAM is because it would change my evaluation of his posts because of aforementioned reasons.

Also you guys are way more tolerant of lurking than I expected. Damn.

[Nauci]

Wow I'm actually taken aback at the level of rudeness and ineptitude of this Quick person.

VOTE: Quick

[Nauci]

Can we use one of our lynches on him because even if he's town I don't want to make it to later days having to depend on the reads of someone who doesn't actually read and judges mafia thread quality in large games by the first 7 pages of USV and jokes, then asks for hand holding while simultaneously negging everybody.

...not to mention how much not reading is a scummy thing to do.

[Nauci]

See my follow up post.

[Nauci]

I am not sure if this has been noted yet, but I do not currently have time to go back and read through, so I will say it.....

Cabd claimed 2 lynch ability
Beeboy claimed godfather
Both of which are not normal

It is also worth noting that Beeboy claimed an existing role.
It is worth noting that 2 lynch a day could be in favour of scum. It opens up the possibility for 2 miss lynched a day. And makes town believe Cabd is PR

Pretty sure he jokingly claimed he's a Town Godfather as a jab to Cabd's "I have a non normal role" bit.

[Nauci]

What does "PL" mean?

[Nauci]

What's SR?

[Nauci]

Quick, what do you mean you hate the meta? As a new person, I don't know what you mean by meta. TIA

[Nauci]

UNVOTE:

Test

[Nauci]

UNVOTE: Quick

Sorry I'm dumb and also these forum buttons are so tiny on mobile goddamnit

Unvoting because quick's behavior thus far has been pretty typical of an ornery veteran, and my initial reaction was largely based on the Oct 2017 join date.

[Nauci]

@Axel

My cock up was when I gave out the reasons for asking about TIAM's experience level, when I shouldn't have.

Point being, the more experienced he is, the more I read his follow ups to Cabd as scumfishing.

I didn't think your question was unfair, but I wanted to follow up and get more details about TIAM so *I* can refine my views on his posts.

[Nauci]

UNVOTE: Quick

Sorry I'm dumb and also these forum buttons are so tiny on mobile goddamnit

Unvoting because quick's behavior thus far has been pretty typical of an ornery veteran, and my initial reaction was largely based on the Oct 2017 join date.

what does this even mean

It means I was happy to lynch a player who, at the time, was

at best

a brand new player who refused to read the damn thread, and thinking he was simultaneously NEW and stubborn and entitled and ornery was what put me off the most.

[Nauci]

@Axel

I had 0 knowledge of how experienced TIAM is. That's why my follow up was If A then B, if C then D formatted. I asked you since you seemed to be one of the more knowledgeable/experienced and willing to talk about that kind of meta stuff.

[Nauci]

Do you two need talk?

My thoughts on Quick/LQ are that his content and reactions are that of immature

newby town

.

Unvoting because quick's behavior thus far has been pretty typical of an

ornery veteran

, and my initial reaction was largely based on the Oct 2017 join date.

I think the two are not necessarily mutually exclusive views. I backed off of my initial reasons to vote Quick because he's not actually new.

But it's entirely possible he could be posting like a newb.

[Nauci]

Also, you criticizing others for their cabd reads/conversations then basing more than half your reads on reactions to cabd is very hypocritical.

Yeah I don't think there was anything else to really read in the first 19 pages

[Nauci]

I'm quite disappointed that Cabd would do something that made us all put him in the "deal with this later" pile, and then post basically nothing with his town claimed status while temporarily untouchable as we all wait for this great future event.

Like somehow we've written him off as a lynch target for the last 20 pages and he doesn't use this opportunity to post any reads. Or post almost anything at all, for that matter.

[Nauci]

Instead of catching up i got distracted and made my profile picture of Grape-kun the penguin.

Catching up now.

That penguin just died and now I am a sad

[Nauci]

I don't know if I'm accusing Cabd of scum lurking.

I am just disappointed he didn't use his position to throw his weight around more.

Also this game has been unusually devoid of alignment indicative content, which makes the double lynch less great.

[Nauci]

I'm unwilling to vote for Axel and Cabd at the moment.

People who think I'm scum for wanting to policy lynch someone who, at the time, was straight up refusing to read the thread (on a 5 day old account, nonetheless) have weird mafia styles. Since when is it bad to push someone who's anti town, regardless of alignment?

[Nauci]

I'm unwilling to vote for Axel and Cabd at the moment.

People who think I'm scum for wanting to policy lynch someone who, at the time, was straight up refusing to read the thread (on a 5 day old account, nonetheless) have weird mafia styles. Since when is it bad to push someone who's anti town, regardless of alignment?

(Who are you talking to here?)

A few people commented that I seem scummy for wanting to PL quick after his first handful of angry posts. Currently on mobile, will look it up later.

I'm traveling and running errands for much of tomorrow to prepare my twitchcon booth btw. I hope I have time in my hotel to just reread the thread and take notes this time, now that I have a better feel for personalities and styles.

Also there are too many lurkers here who still haven't post much of anything, not even counting the VLA.

[Nauci]

I don't know if I'm accusing Cabd of scum lurking.

I am just disappointed he didn't use his position to throw his weight around more.

Also this game has been unusually devoid of alignment indicative content, which makes the double lynch less great.

There's still plenty of time to "throw his weight around." I don't think there's any need to panic. Day phases are 7 days long.

Also I'd like to remind you that it's Day phase 1. There probably won't

be

much alignment-indicative content. But, it's a great time to make associations and interact with people. Now is when we lay the foundation for catching scum during the rest of the game.

1. Have you played Mafia on other sites?
2. 24 hours, hours earlier: that is when Cabd claims they will be confirmed.
3. you want to lynch me because I am not a team player?

Quick did you mean to quote some other post of mine? I assume that was directed at me.

1. I've played like... 5 games on another forum that's mostly WoW related. I want

[Nauci]

Son of a bitch I accidentally hit submit because this forum is awful on mobile and buttons are tiny and I was trying to correct a typo and also the spoiler tags didn't work ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

Anyway.

1. I've played like... 5 games on another forum that's mostly WoW related. I want to say 3 of the 5 were crazy open flavor games with odd night mirror cop 3p arson zombie ghost Mason shenanigans. So I have played enough to know some basics like the range of possible roles, don't help scum fish for PR information, and a few more basics.

2. I'm not entirely sure what this one meant.

3. I wanted to lunch you because you were refusing to read the thread and I didn't want to play with a 5 day old account town who doesn't actually read, nevermind the fact that not reading is usually scummy! Obviously I've since retracted that view of your play.

[Nauci]

Quick, why do you keep conflating would-have-policy-lynched-you-for-your-first-few-pages with would-lynch-you-now?

[Nauci]

Can we stop using nicknames and old account names?

The LQ accidental posting and use of LQ/GIF/Cloudie type stuff leave people like me confused for pages until I finally have to ask or figure it out, then commit to memory.

[Nauci]

Wait did people read Nero's post about voting crazy cat lady (a reference to something I said earlier in lobby chat) with targeting whiskers?

[Nauci]

Okay I'll probably not be able to commit any real time to this game until late tonight while I'm traveling to Twitchcon and whatnot.

Will probably skim occasionally and try to do a reread from the hotel.

[Nauci]

We will have more information day 2.

yes, the exact same info as everyone else. More interactions, more posts, and flips.

We will have more information day 2.

yes, the exact same info as everyone else. More interactions, more posts, and flips.

I really didn't want to comment on this conversation because it looks like I'm defending myself but

Honestly, Nero, are you daft?

If I continue posting at approximately the same rate, then the amount of information you all have on my play style basically doubles by day 2.

The amount you have on experienced players like Quick would increase by less than 10%.

Trying to read a brand new player based on the only posts in their forum history is like playing roulette, while evaluating existing players, knowing their play styles and personalities, is like player poker.

I don't understand how you don't see this as entirely self evident.

Like unless I made some stupid scumslip post, the above should be obvious.

I'm so appalled at this shit thinking I'm just going to hit submit before I catch up on the rest of the day.

[Nauci]

Like I think scum piled on top of Dunker to save Whiskers

Except when/if I flip dunker, and the game day continues with a presumed town-flip surely that strat stops being effective? You're not really thinking this through.

OR we could just lynch scum?

Instead of scum reads I'm just getting dumb reads this game

How do you misread Cabd's logic so badly!?!

[Nauci]

We will have more information day 2.

yes, the exact same info as everyone else. More interactions, more posts, and flips.

yeah but listen, if we have 0 information on Nauci, (which might be untrue, there may be a newbie game or something idk,) at the start of Day 2 we will have 100% more information on her than we did at the start of Day 1. Furthermore, she will have 100% more experience.
For reference, I have played a bunch of games. You could easily trawl up some information on me from my past games, how I play, what my tendencies are, what I like to do as town and scum, or whatever pleases you... so if i've played a whole bunch of games, you don't get 100% more information, because this one Day is only a small percentage of Days I've played. Similarly, 1 Day will not amount to 100% of my experience with the game.

It will be easier to separate scumtells from noobtells by Day 2 (and every subsequent Day), and any flips on players she's interacted with will make it easier to make a case on her-- be it for scum or for town.

THANK YOU

Also this is not an endorsement because reasoning ability is NAI

[Nauci]

Whiskers, I know where my vote is. I can't tell if being unable to track the rest of the votes on you comes from nefarious motivations or the pace of the game. I'm assuming the latter.

You reply to very much but say very little, and you don't follow up your reads very well with your accusations.

I am not good at following my reads/accusations. I have a tendency to ask questions and then forget about them. My prodding doesn't usually go very deep. It's just not what I'm good at.
I am, however, pretty good at stirring up the pot and getting people to talk to me, if I may say so myself.

Right now, I don't have very good reads. I have some pretty strong townreads and I think Alisae is an asshat who is contradicting himself and using a lot of bad attacks (mostly on me). I like him for a lynch. Right now, I like sheeping onto a wagon even better.

@Cabd and Gerry and others:
What do we get out of the kill if Dunk flips town?

Hisssssss

Bad post

[Nauci]

It's far more likely that the suspicious ones are those who are leaving room open to scumread Cabd because of x.

And what makes you say this? I am a skeptical person by nature. For you to say that because of an inborn trait I have in my personality means I am Scum is flawed.

Also bad, for similar reasons

[Nauci]

Jesus Christ I just spent 3 hours of my life catching up on this thread and at least half of it was angry bickering like I'd stumbled into some sort of politics thread. I want those hours of my life back!

I deleted a wall of hot takes because I guess that's pretty useless posting, huh? I'll just save these bits:

LOL Rhah. Your panic reaction was high quality entertainment.

Can we not victim blame Cabd for flipping Masons? How the fuck was he supposed to know that Dipshit McGee was somehow a mason? P.S. are Normal Game Masons confirmed by requirement? Unless they both fall into the 2-non-normals exception, which wouldn't be the case if we've got a 1 shot day vig for a touch of flavor.

I think the fake shot was actually a phenomenal opportunity for a genuine discovery that has helped us with a ton of knowledge. It's unfortunate that it happened so early but I don't think it was so stupid if you were genuinely losing your partner D1 and otherwise going to lose your only chance of making it a nearly confirmed claim.

Also: are fake commands not against the rules ever here, or just not in normals?

List time:

Town:

Dunk

Almost definitely town:

Cabd
Rhah
TIAM (pie, I promise to gift you any one of my organs if you're ever in need of one if you give his masonry or whatever to *any* other town tonight)

Towny:

Axel
Alisae, barring WIFOM shenanigans

Town...ish?:

Beeboy

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I don't fucking know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :

HST
Flubber
Quick - You keep flipping between pro town posting and anti town posting. How about just stick to the former? And STOP SWITCHING ACCOUNTS it really fucks with our ability to ISO all of your post vomit which is actively anti town! How hard could that possibly be?

Scumish:

Joey - Reading people as town correctly isn't a defense?
Gerry - I don't fucking know. Feels? Some time in the last 3 hours of reading all this crap I got bad vibes but I'm far too exhausted to remember/quantify why or which posts. If I get a chance tomorrow I'll flip through ISO.

Scummy:

Nero - We get it. You disagree that it's less useful to debate a noob on D1 than all the people who are more telling reads because you know how they behave. We're saying that it's dumb to focus on a newb D1 because it's a wild west read over people whose behavior you understand better. There's some chance of getting a better read on me in subsequent days if I'm investigated in some way or based on my reactions to flips, but for now why flip a coin when you could read a map? Now are you done spending so many of your posts arguing that it's valid to propose lynching me yet? You have such a massive string of posts just bickering about that with whiskers and trying to appear useful. If you think I'm your strongest scum read, vote me!

Whiskers - some combination of counter boat (wagon? I forget the slang around here) possibility, and the amount of time you spent looking useful by bickering about the above. I'll have to ISO when it's not 3 AM and I've been up since 630 yesterday.

Scum and/or FUCK YOU POST MORE:

UCV
IAI
Shiro**

**Yeah I know.

Cheers.

I'm sad about Alisae

[Nauci]

@CABD

: In case youre silly. (so sorry?) The question is at Joey.
Ask me questions later if you'd like something clarified to the rest of the thread, about what i think.

As far as im concerned, i wouldnt waste my scum day vig shot on dunk as mefia since hes lynchbait @quick

@Joey.

if there was hypothetical game (not this one)
and a mafia player in the game had a day vig.

And he didn't shoot someone like Dunker (but shot someone scum might like to shoot)

What would happen to the mafia player?
and would the trade be worth it?

++Rep

[Nauci]

Hey Axel are you in a euro time zone

[Nauci]

Parking this right here

VOTE: UC Voyager

[Nauci]

Joey: reading people as town is one of the easiest ways scum grab for LAMIST credit since scum know who's town? Like, there are much more productive things to say than pointing at your ability to read people as town before they flipped.

Also, why do you clear beeboy so hard? I don't feel like any of us are on the same page and I practically think it's a scum slip.

[Nauci]

Nauci saying i could be teamed with UC is laughable.

VOTE: UC

I don't mean for my reads list to have implications on teaming or subsets.

[Nauci]

Talk about Flubber. I am not seeing it like everyone else is.

Same. I've ISOed him twice without seeing much to properly sort him on.

[Nauci]

2inMil please stop

I swear if there was an ignore button I'd use it because this game can only be better if he stopped posting entirely.

...is there an ignore function?

[Nauci]

it also goes without saying that 2mil/Rhah being scum together is a possibility.

This is a stupid idea.

[Nauci]

Jesus 2mil is one hell of a ridiculous player

Sorry I hurt your feelings. But your interactions are as scummy as hell. You can call me names as much as you want. You are basically accusing me of not "going along with the flow" yet day 1 mislynches are more common than not. So what's wrong with actually having your own reads?

God you are the most anti town town I've ever witnessed

[Nauci]

2mill never has a good point. :/

Every point I make is a good point. I just never get any credit.

If it wasn't for Rhah I'd have voted you with so much force I'd break my keyboard

[Nauci]

2mill never has a good point. :/

Every point I make is a good point. I just never get any credit.

If it wasn't for Rhah I'd have voted you with so much force I'd break my keyboard

Can you take a stance between flub/whisker or propose a healthy wagon outside both, because uc wont get lynched d1

I have a habit of parking on lurkers when I'm AFK. Got back to my hotel a little while ago and just finished catching up. Analysis coming soon™

[Nauci]

Reads thus far:

-I don't get what all the flub fuss is about.

-Joey and Quick and Nero need to stop filling up the thread with so much useless posting.

-The next person to actively engaged TIAM's shitposting goes on my shit list immediately.

-Getting increasingly town vibes from beeboy

-Getting increasingly scum vibes from Quick

-Town vibes from Joey BUT STOP FEEDING THE TROLL JESUS CHRIST

-pissed off at the number of lurkers in this game

-for the love of God and all that is holy don't shit 30 more pages of these garbage posts let's fucking end the day

VOTE: Nero Cain

I could be persuaded onto quick or whiskers

And would love if someone could explain the flub train to me

Seriously though, all of my hardest town reads (Cabd Rhah Alisae) have either checked out of the game (almost) entirely or are being strictly anti town, and there are enough lurkers to fill an entire scum team. UGH I wish I was playing a flavored game with a lurkvig.

[Nauci]

How do we have an 83 page thread that's D1 part 2

With so little to read

[Nauci]

When I said I could be persuaded to vote whiskers or quick

I forgot to mention

COMRADES, JOIN ME ON THE GLORIOUS NERO LUNCH TRAIN

WE HAVE COOKIES

[Nauci]

Hmm I back off of Nero a bit after reading ISO again

-accidentally thought post 1912 was Quick instead of Nero as I was reading
-did some pushing earlier on with whiskers and Joey

I'm somewhat more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that his reads are garbage but he might not be, but his more recent posts have not been great

Felt like he got a bad impression of me because I was posting very conservative evaluations in the first 35-40 pages and has been just tunneling ever since

Nero why are you pushing flub?

[Nauci]

I'm *absurdly* busy with Twitchcon stuff and I have a terrifying swollen bump on my left elbow bigger than an egg thats making my arm cramp so chances are I'm not going to be able to read and post until like 3 AM or maybe Sunday so sorry guys!

[Nauci]

Why am I required to know that if I am Town?

because you read the thread and possibly even have meta knowledge of joey.

because you observed the fact that he was pushing his own scumreads and that twoinamillion was objectively demonstrably wrong.

I don't pay attention to the same things that other people do. Its the reason why no one understands me.

Jesus Christ how hard can it possibly be to put some effort into reading what account you are on when you check this thread

NEGLIGENCE CAUSED ACCIDENTS ARE STILL YOUR FAULT

Ruining ISO in a thread this long is FUCKING ANTI TOWN.

[Nauci]

@joey Why were you voting Flubber?

Why are you so pissed off @ my push on you but you are/were rather calm when Whiskers pushed you? You OMGUS scumread me and Dunk but not Whiskers. What gives here?

UNVOTE:

[Nauci]

I get lynched D1 more than average. I have never been someone who survives long in games.

This is usually a sign that you are bad.

Inb4 BUT MUH PLAYSTYLE

[Nauci]

yawn

they talk as if they know my scum game even though i have no completed games, so they have no idea what to expect from Me as scum

This is a stupid post.

No one needs to know you well to know the general MO of newb scum and that it is both a statistical likelihood and something experienced scum would actively advise.

[Nauci]

Oh no I like MathBlade, I am so sorry you have to read this game.

OH FUCK ITS MATH LOL

What did I get myself into?? Lol

Someone wanna catch me up while I read?

My condolences.

[Nauci]

Oh no I like MathBlade, I am so sorry you have to read this game.

OH FUCK ITS MATH LOL

What did I get myself into?? Lol

Someone wanna catch me up while I read?

Priority catch up reading: Cabd, Rhah

Pretend you have in Ignore: TwoInAMillon (every time I see his posts I just want to projectile vomit into his mouth)

DANGER WILL ROBINSON: Quick and anyone interacting with Quick (I mean, you'll get reads out if it at the expense of buising your forehead facepalming)

[Nauci]

Alisae already said was a shit post?

I don't remember him saying that but then again I've been kinda skimming. We'll see how the rest of the claims go but we'll see

vote:Whiskers

I'm kinda done so I'll just hop on whatever the biggest wagon is.

By hopping onto the 2nd biggest bandwagon???

[Nauci]

I have to be up for work in 3 hours for another 18 hour work day.

-Willing to vote UC, Quick, and HST, in that order.

-Could be talked into whiskers or Gerry with a convincing case.

-Voting for Quick because A: would give us the most info upon flip (I'm strongly of the opinion that he and flub are both town or both scum), B: would cut down the % of bicker posts that give me raw emotional facepalming hot takes that make me think less clearly, and C: I'M SO READY TO END D1 (but this one is only a minor influence because I think it's a shit reason to vote someone).

IMO HST has had a lot of filler and a bit of distraction posting upon ISOing.

Rhah, POST MORE.

How long before IAI or shiro replacements?

P.S. There's an *incredibly* small chance that Cabd is a FUCKING GENIUS with a VERY ABNORMAL role who is scum with Rhah and TIAM and has been playing us all like puppets. But I'm pretty sure dayshot is banned on scum. Still, I would be so happy if someone shot TIAM tonight on that .00001% chance.

[Nauci]

Why did you unvote me?

Priority catch up reading: Cabd, Rhah

Why would you tell Math to read non contributing town?

Because your posts since the time at which I read you as scum for fake-effort posts have become more real effort posts so you are no longer my top scum read and more neutral at the moment.

[Nauci]

@nauci, why is it more important to lynch for information than to lynch your Scum reads? What makes you think UCV is Scum over useless Town?

Sorry.

I simultaneously scum read you and think it would be the most indicative flip.

I think UCV is far more active than he's pretending to be based on the times he comes in for responses and is in fact scumlurking, unlike IAI.

Btw Shiro, if you say you're bad at catch up on D1 threads that get away from you why would you sign up while actively v/la for the entire first day and then not put in effort to read even 20 pages?

[Nauci]

-Voting for Quick because

Was there meant to be a vote in this post?

If not, what can I do to entice you to vote for Quick, or at least run him up to L-1?

The Benadryl knocked me out before I realized I forgot to post a vote lmao

VOTE: Quick

I'm going to be passed out for the next day on Benadryl because I am covered in massive hives. One of them is roughly the size of a women's shoe.

[Nauci]

So many words

++Rep

[Nauci]

Tbh....I don't know what to think of the game...if anything. Rhah is townie. I think that

Cabs is pretty townie

Nero is meh

Hey if you have a time machine can you tell Hillary to visit Wisconsin and Michigan kthxbai

[Nauci]

i hate when Math argues that if ppl don't play like Math does as scum then they must not be scum. This is a "scum wouldn't do that" argument and scum are certainly capable of doing that.

Hissss

[Nauci]

Going "I'M NEW HAHA IT WOULD JUST BE

TOOOO

EASY TO MISLYNCH ME! BECAUSE I'M SOOOOO NEW HAHA!" means that you're self aware that you're scummy and are trying to avoid lynch for it.
Instead, don't be scummy? new =/= town???

I want to point out that Nauci is even newer than VC Voyager.

Oh the irony.

But isn't there a difference between first and 3rd person?

I said that people can read the others better than they can read me but I have not made AM NEW LUL as an excuse for scummy behavior.

[Nauci]

Hey Nero do you have any new reasons for scum reading me because last I heard it was still because I wanted to policy lunch someone who refused outright to read a 30 page thread and also because newness doesn't make me not a target. Does newness make me a target or am I posting other scummy posts? You don't even have to tell me which posts it just feels like you haven't changed your read of me since page 40.

[Nauci]

I think that my biggest problem with Nauci is that her first post was mainly CABD related and that feels like a safe conversation to hang her hat on.

vote: Nauci

that Nauci took a more "Cabd is town" approach from it which i kinda liked more

like I get the whole "CABD is a killing role he's town." (day sk? lol) but if Nauci is scum wouldn't "CABD is town!" stance be a good way to get town cred?

Maybe but she's also new. I think new scum could be subdued and passive. Town also OMGUS SUPER HARD. Pushing ppl is always a risk. I could see scum her not pushing anyone so she doesn't get OMGUS scum read.

^This was your reason for voting Nauci

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@nero who do you think the "second lynch" should be? Or rather, who do you think the two lynches, in no particular order should be?

I've already kinda answered this. I am voting Nauci.I said I wouldn't really oppose a lynch on 2iam. I', also considering a policy lynch on the miller claim and Axel feels like he's active lurking. I'd prob be ok with any of those.

Nauci is noob. if you still think she's a problem, attempt lynch tomorrow. Not inherently scummy nor more scummy than many we've seen.

btw @Nauci you don't actually have to do the code for your vote/unvote, you can just bold your vote, most mods pick it up fine.

^This was the start of our discussion/argument about lynching newbies.

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I like how you guys keep claiming that I was voting her for wanting to pl someone when I never said that. But let's play devil's advocate, why can't scum say and do things in RVS that are lynch worthy? Are you saying that RVS is off limits for scummy activity?

Nah, but your reads should change/develop past page 20 or whatever.
The post where I first say, "don't lynch noobs day 1" was on page 23. We've since discussed whether or not you should lynch noobs, but iiuc you haven't actually given any reason why you think she's scum since then.

Thank you for this post. Between the 18 hour work days and multiple urgent care visits I've not been able to properly digest his ISO and forgot those were his reasons.

So on my first posts I explicitly said that I was going to analyze the obvious and not say anything else because I don't know anything about any of you and didn't have anything to go on and wasn't going to force it just to try and look town.

I feel like you really can't make the case that I've only been making easy reads since then, because as this has progressed I've been posting much more confidently.

Can you stop repeatedly dodging my question? I asked if there is more recent activity that you're reading as scum. Don't even tell me which ones, just a yes or no answer.

Unrelated note, I recall someone thinking I was saying scumhunting when I said scumfishing, not realizing that scumfishing = scum trying to figure out PR. I'll have to try to remember who it was.

[Nauci]

In the meantime do you think we lose anything by extending the Day phase to it's full length? Both so Shiro/IaI can catchup, and so we can do things like interrogate UC Voyager or whomever?

You will prolly get nothing out of UCV, which tells me he's prolly Town.

HISSSSSSS

[Nauci]

who cares just vote quick

^scummy

my role says otherwise

So you're claiming a town only role?

Your

random brain diarrhea

is cancerous

FTFY

[Nauci]

Was the self preservation comment just being snarky? Because I don't think I'm active enough to be self preserving tbh

He's voting you to keep his own head out of the noose. How is that not obvious?

[Nauci]

I have a dream

That someday

Conf town won't be so useless

[Nauci]

Hey whatever happened to dunk

[Nauci]

(she's scum and trying to look busy)

2458 is fake dumbtell, imo

Or is because I suddenly found an activity overview button and the list made me realize there's a dunk in this game.

Holy shit Alisae post a lot in the short time they were here.

[Nauci]

(she's scum and trying to look busy)

2458 is fake dumbtell, imo

Holy shit I totally forgot lmaooooooo

Don't do drugs, kids

I had a ton of Benadryl injected before I made that post

[Nauci]

FOS is finger of suspicion.

What do you think about the wagon on you?

I forgot to directly answer this.

I don't have any particular reads as a result of the suspicion on me.

I understand why my joke about dunking lurkers sounds scummy if not taken as a joke. As I said before, the bits analyzing my read on Cabd get rather WIFOM when I was just offering up my perspective on something important to us.

I'd like to think that people will be more understanding of my low intel, few reads situation.

I don't think it's particularly telling if anyone was on me because they thought I was being scummy or if any actual scum were trying to drive an easy mislynch-the-new-person wagon. At least, not as telling as people's reactions to a claimed can-prove-today town PR.

NO, NO, NO. You do not get to hide behind "my joke about dunking lurkers" when you voted someone who hadn't posted in the game (me). Actions speak louder than words buddy!

I have a policy of parking pressure votes on lurkers when I'm away from the game for a while. It's very different from dunking a lurker since I am not trying to drive a wagon and know not a lot of people will vote with me.

[Nauci]

So many words

++Rep

Don't get me wrong I am Town but no one ever deserves a townread for the amount of words they put up.

I have put up epic rants on not claiming and 32 player read walls as scum.

No. This is bad.

FoS Nauci

Lmao just because I cut the quote out doesn't mean "so many words" is why I liked it. It was a good post because of its content.

[Nauci]

@Math I liked your explanation/analysis of reactions to crumbs. I don't think it's alignment indicative but it's a good, informative post, especially for us newbies.

[Nauci]

I passed out twice while trying to ISO quick's seemingly infinite number of posts so I don't think my brain is any good for analyzing shit until I can stop taking antihistamines. Vague feelings that quick's useful to useless post ratio is hella low and there are too many "I play like a loner/asshole it's just how I am" posts.

Of the 2 options I'm okay with keeping my vote on quick.

Reading Nero as more town now and Gerry as less so.

If anyone wants to get the ucv wagon restarted I'll happily ride shotgun since it's my most confident Sr right now.

Ok. Brain giving up. Back to Benadryl coma

[Nauci]

:/

My bad, Quick. I was passed out on Benadryl/running my TwitchCon booth most of the final day(s).

I guess I have time now to reread this 109 page abomination of a thread!

[Nauci]

Because over the course of TC I've mostly forgotten this whole thread (if forgetting Dunk being dead was any indication lmao).

Also I obviously was reading Quick as scummy the whole time and need to readjust!

[Nauci]

Maybe it's because it's 4 AM and I'm tired but I really can't seem to parse #2728.

[Nauci]

VOTE: whiskers

okay you sold me

Which bits sold you?

---

@Thread if you are asking WTF is Axle doing.

Go reread my filter, and see the questions i asked both these slots. (Nero Gerry, then see the answers or not that I got.)

Hey sheeping big wally posts is fun and all, but it makes me spooked.

I share this sentiment big time.

[Nauci]

I legit read Quick as scummy, not PL, up until I caught up on the last 4-6 pages pre-lynch. At which point I noticed the thread was already locked.

Btw lucky, thanks for being willing to jump in this monster thread!

I have a very long day of marketing work but will catch up after 8 pm PST tonight and have a go at rereading.

It's good to finally be out of my Benadryl coma and not look like a leper any more.

[Nauci]

I thought counter wagon meant wagon scum create to get heat off of their buddy, not just the-only-other-plausible-vote.

[Nauci]

Joey, MathBlade literally just said I was a counterwagon to quick. Can you stop asking things that are answered on the same page you're posting to? Can you furthermore attribute people ignoring you to how frustrating it is to have to talk to someone so careless and self centered?

I scum read this post big time.

[Nauci]

And I say that as someone who's been unable to scum read flub all game!

[Nauci]

I was right on quick and I'm staying where I was. No reason to change good reads.
VOTE: UCVoyager

Joey is also supper scummy.

*Cough*

This is no time for a physical.

Ucv subbed out.

[Nauci]

I thought counter wagon meant wagon scum create to get heat off of their buddy, not just the-only-other-plausible-vote.

That's my point. If I'm a counterwagon to quick, that means scum were trying to get me lynched to prevent a quick lynch, but quick was town so (???)

...I can think of one explanation to this...

[Nauci]

Nero, is that scum list serious, or sarcastic?!?

Nero, do you read lurking as scummy?

Quick notes thus far: I still read UCV slot as scummy, as I did yesterday. Feeling more scumvibes from Flub. Still reading Whiskers neutrally. Feel good about Beeboy.

Gut says there's scum on the whiskers train, and it protects flub, lucky, or both.

[Nauci]

Can you tell me what you have found on ucv?

I think he's lynchbait. Lucky will prob do shit all so I guess policy lynching him isn't really out of the question but I don't really think he flips red.

What is your scumlist?

Whiskers
Nauci
Joey
Bee
HST
Axel
gerry
Math
IAI
Shiro
Flubber
lucky
masons

you dont think her content got better ?

no

If that enormous list wasn't a joke then it feels like smokescreening for scum.

[Nauci]

VOTE: lucky2u

[Nauci]

Obviously I've been reading UCV slot as scum and you don't, so I wanted to know if that's because you don't think lurking is scummy, especially since UCV was active in other places.

[Nauci]

I'm not nearly so confident as you and don't have meta data but I'm feeling a hunch leaning scum on Gerry.

Still trying to reread but current list (based on gut feel, not specific posts and data):

Town:

Rhah
TIAM

Townish:

Bee
Math
Joey
Axel

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Nero (every other post makes me lean a different way, it feels like)
Whiskers (I have a weird gut feeling that scum is trying to drive this wagon though)

Scumish

Gerry
Flub

Scum

UCV slot aka lucky

READ AND POST MORE ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

IAI
Shiro
HST

I need to take time to look at reactions to the flips so far, because IIRC I never really understood reading dunk as scum (pretty sure I never voted that one).

I legit read Quick scumish up until around when he made posts that made Cabd flip to someone else.

[Nauci]

I'm not nearly so confident as you and don't have meta data but I'm feeling a hunch leaning scum on Gerry.

Still trying to reread but current list (based on gut feel, not specific posts and data):

Town:

Rhah
TIAM

Townish:

Bee
Math
Joey
Axel

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Nero (every other post makes me lean a different way, it feels like)
Whiskers (I have a weird gut feeling that scum is trying to drive this wagon though)

Scumish

Gerry
Flub

Scum

UCV slot aka lucky

READ AND POST MORE ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

IAI
Shiro
HST

I need to take time to look at reactions to the flips so far, because IIRC I never really understood reading dunk as scum (pretty sure I never voted that one).

I legit read Quick scumish up until around when he made posts that made Cabd flip to someone else.

[Nauci]

I make it a policy to pretend TIAM posts don't exist.

[Nauci]

I am much more confident in my read on Lucky and also I don't trust you.

[Nauci]

ffs, i settled yesterday on a lynch, and it was a mislynch. i'm not settling anymore. you guys lynch lucky, my vote isn't moving.

^

[Nauci]

noob or not, Nauci avoiding my questions makes me want that dead so much.

What questions?

I thought I post that I don't trust you because half of your posts make me scum read you?

[Nauci]

Fake answer:

Because I don't like pointing out scum tells before we can get a lunch going

Real answer:

I just bought Destiny 2 and it's more addicting than I had anticipated

[Nauci]

Axle that was actually a fairly convincing case. Hmm.

I'll stew on that.

[Nauci]

@lucky I"m not seeing why Alisae would jump in to stop Cabd from shooting a town if they were a scum who knew Dunk was town? There's no universe in which it is beneficial for scum to do that?

[Nauci]

@Viomi:

Factual summary of pertinent events as best as my haven't-slept-in-30-hours brain remembers them:

-Cabd crumbed killing ability during RVS
-Follows up saying he can prove it day 1
-whiskers calls him out and tells him to claim since scum had already seen it and the lack of knowledge would only hurt town
-lots of speculating about Cabd
-cabd basically claims 1 shot day vig
-alisae screams for a whiskers lynch until their blue in the face and ragequit out asking for replacement
-TIAM doesn't know how to read mafia wiki and makes posts so stupid I'm pretty sure Cabd checked out of the game mostly
-cabd jokingly says

kill TwoInAMillon [/]
-Rhah *within a minute* posts some shit like JESUS CHRIST WHY WOULD YOU SHOOT MY OTHER MASON HEAD
-rhahs hard mason claim puts him and TIAM at conf town status
-TIAM refuses to either claim or counterclaim because I don't fucking know
-cabd shot dunk got like... 8 votes? Via mod pm
-dunk flips VT
-mathblade replaces Alisae
-shiro and IAI lurk for 100+ pages
-shiro is still lurking
-we eventually lunch Quick, with some saying they read him as scum, and many wanting to PL him for excessive shit posting
-quick flips VT
-UCV asks for replacement
-enter lucky
-cabd gets murdered in the night, flips 1 shot town day vig
-TIAM continues to make posts so stupid and misleading and frustrating that half the game is actively ignoring him
-Joey ragequit because TIAM posts are so bad I'm starting to think Trump secretly plays forum mafia
-hello viomi

I'm on mobile so I'm sorry for shit formatting and typos JESUS CHRIST MY CAT JUST JUMPED ON MY SHOULDER WITH ALL CLAWS EXTENDED I AM NOW FULL OF HOLES

[Nauci]

In case it wasn't clear, Viomi, I recommend pretending you have TIAM on ignore. While he is conf town, his posts only hold shitty reads, shitty reasoning, and enough dumb to make Joey ragequit.

[Nauci]

Has anyone sat down and looked at how Joey had been interacting. You should consider, 2Mil, that scum!Joey wouldn't have perceived you as a real threat given you were the only one pushing him at one point and his wagon was never that strong of a presence. His reactions were always genuine. Also the scum(and town) don't hold you or I in high regard, meanwhile they were probably really scared of Cabd.

Have you read Joey's interactions? Serious question dude.

How do you know how scum Joey would have played it? With day chat, any of his teammates with more experience could have been coaching him.

Joey = Cloud

Not some new kid on the block.

[Nauci]

Yes.

[Nauci]

UNVOTE:

Just in case pie doesn't do standard Unvote on replace in.

just ftr im CloudKicker

[Nauci]

I'm increasingly reading a lucky/iai/Nero team but it's mostly gut for now

More on this when I wake up

[Nauci]

I love that that people insist that I am "obnoxious and wrong" on everything but I have yet to actually be wrong I have actually been right.

YOU FUCKING SPENT PAGES ACCUSING CABD OF BEING A BIZARRE MAFIA DAY KILL ROLE YOU IDIOT

[Nauci]

Current reads:

Scum:

Lucky - bunch of posts since the slot was looking super scummy for lurking. Now lots of weaker reads. I feel like the cases for Joey, whiskers, and maybe even others feel like grasping at straws and fluffy bs.

Townish:

Whiskers - all the accusations made me reread and I find the frustration posts and cabd crumb interactions quite Towny
Joey slot - many many useful posts. Quite understandable ragequit.
Gerry - quite a lot of conviction behind his lucky vote. Generally town posted day 2

I'm glad lucky post a bunch so now it'll be a useful af flip.

This game hasn't been fun in about 70 pages at least. :/

[Nauci]

Add flub to my scum reads

[Nauci]

I've heavily considered taking an escape pod out of this game tbh.

Can we just suicide pact out of this thread at this point

[Nauci]

Not even considering voting Joey/Viomi unless lucky somehow flips T

[Nauci]

I've heavily considered taking an escape pod out of this game tbh.

Can we just suicide pact out of this thread at this point

How about we just lynch scum and not quit?

WTB more votes on lucky

[Nauci]

I scum read IAI because I read his scum reads as town ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Also I didn't scum read Viomi regardless of her read of me

[Nauci]

The more IAI posts the less I like the posts.

[Nauci]

I'm slowly coming around on a flub lynch, I suppose.

[Nauci]

"ZOMG I'M SUSPECTED, LEMME THROW A TEMPER TANTRUM!"

What?

[Nauci]

-flub hasn't really post but everyone's reactions about him make me feel very meh about popping over
-still very happy to lunch lucky, that post about the Nero Viomi argument was scummy as hell
-shiro flip would provide us like zero info but I am Scum reading her
-IAI, I'm a woman
-I'm not scum but I wouldn't mind the sweet release of death to free me from this game
-When I flip town does that clear Joey/Viomi/etc.? Still possible whiskers was town reading me for credit, but I'm not seeing the crumb call-out as scum motivated
-scum reading IAI still
-leaning scum on Nero, null on Gerry
-I'll have to reread whiskers and flub because I'm not sure if I'm down with voting whiskers for a flub town flip
-why are people so determined to counter wagon flub? The dude barely posts but the way he's divided us would at least be an informative flip

[Nauci]

but I wouldn't mind the sweet release of death to free me from this game

wtf I called it first

Well you'll have to out scum post me to get a bigger flashwagon then

Peace out, suckas!

I don't think I'm moving my vote off of lucky unless we start an iai wagon somehow though

Shiro was right

Apathy is the real mind killer

[Nauci]

I still don't really scum read flub after ISOing him again.

Will try my hand at Whiskers again but I have a crushing headache.

[Nauci]

Add flub to my scum reads

Vote: Flubbernugget

fine.

This was the whiskers vote. every vote on him but Rhah was done by a scummy person or in a scummy way.

This vote from Whiskers was the post that sleeves me out the most but I'm not going to vote with my #1 scum read. Hmmmmm.

[Nauci]

I'm really not reading a scum flub but I read the flub wagon as mostly town so I guess I'm 15% willing to hammer if it comes down to it?

[Nauci]

I attempted to reread the entire thread during lock with the perspective of the flips we've had, but 30 or so pages in I wanted to die (you can ask Pie for my PM livejournal about the experience after game). I made it another 20+ pages tonight before feeling the same way. I'm going to take a 3rd crack at it tomorrow now that we have another flip (I'm actually taking notes in a spreadsheet and everything) and try to post something substantial, but this game has worn me the fuck out. Normally I'm much more gung ho with much stronger reads but I can't make heads or tails of this damn game and have changed my mind about everybody except Cabd/Rhah/TIAM/Joey slot/Axle/Dunk at least once, if not 8x. I think the weird divisions into sub factions and strong wagons that I don't really understand (whiskers, flub, etc.) are messing me up; like, I feel peer pressured to read them as scummy and I end up really *trying* to scum read their posts and it ends up being a weird confirmation bias. With the reread I'm going to just throw all of that out and jot down my own reactions in my notes and see how it all shakes out 150 pages later. I'm still on sick leave (yay 102 fevers) so I should have a bit of time.

[Nauci]

1: In case it wasn't ultra clear already, I hadn't seen the self hammer when I made the post yesterday about hammering. I had read posts on my PC then replied on mobile where I didn't see the new responses. I think it's pretty obvious since I was making a case for why I would be willing to hammer even if I didn't like it when we were like what, 4 hours from deadline?

Tomorrow I'll post a comprehensive list of who has voted who and where because trying to remember it has been killing me. I have up on rereading after 6 hours of misery (I'm a slow reader of I'm processing and not taking okay?!?) and am just tracking that now.

From the 50+ pages I do remember rereading, I actually noted a lot more towny UCV posts (before disappearance) than I remembered, and fewer beeboy/Joey town posts than I remembered, but I don't think the bulk of their content was in the first 50-60 pages. Nero actually put in a lot of hunting and pressure than I remembered. Ugh Quick v everyone posts are killing my soul.

P.S. I see in hindsight why a bunch of my newb posts look scummy and I'm sorry for my bad play. I'm learning, I swear!

And to the person saying we shouldn't discount TIAM posts:

I'm happy as hell to listen to posts from town. I had a lot of faith in what Cabd had to say, and I value Rhah and look at his votes. But so many TIAM posts are right massive failures in logic or reading comprehension and so many have downright stupid ideas that it's more detrimental to let his hatter reads lead you astray than forming your own opinions and taking his as no more than "at least it's not scum motivated" tripping.

Also if y'all are actually neighbors and not Masons but don't claim it for days I will track to down and shit post on all of your other games for the next 8 years. Why aren't yall ever in lock step?

[Nauci]

hi nauci, how is that lurking working out for you?

I'm trying my hardest to play this game but I don't know if I have the sheer force of will

The most fucks I can manage to give is catching up on posts at 4 AM

Sigh

I know my play hasn't been up to par but I can't make heads or tails of this damn game. All I know is I really appreciate the amount of effort axle goes through and it doesn't feel like it could be scummy though I don't know what his scum game looks like. Maybe I'll just sheep him.

I don't have good reads on the rest of y'all's alignments are and don't trust any of your judgment either way, and I'm sure as hell not sheeping the masons.

I feel like people are making decent cases but it's impossible to remember all of the relevant posts and context or read them fast enough in a game this size to feel sure, especially when people make good cases back.

Like I understand if I get lunched for being bad town at this point I've fallen into extreme apathy but don't want to replace out and make some poor innocent person deal with this mess instead.

I had one other point but I fell asleep writing this post and forgot it so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I guess

[Nauci]

I've leaned scum on Gerry and leaned town on him and I don't really know either way because it seems like this shit posting is just his style.

But I'm okay with lynching it because I thought Axles case was pretty good.

I think Nero is town for how hard he's working to build cases and push people when so many of us have gone apathetic af

I'm not sure if I am ready to give iai the same check though

[Nauci]

Oh right this is what I kept forgetting

VOTE: gerryoat

[Nauci]

The only thing I keep thinking back to this game is wondering why TIAM won't say he's a mason. Like we keep hand waving that away like it's because he's not a rational actor or something (I'm guilty of it, I know) but it's just been bugging me the whole time. What if they're neighbors, or something else?

[Nauci]

I've played in several large games with 3 digit page numbers day 2 and not nearly hated the thread so much.

TIAM are you ever going to address the mason thing

[Nauci]

I've leaned scum on Gerry and leaned town on him and I don't really know either way because it seems like this shit posting is just his style.

But I'm okay with lynching it because I thought Axles case was pretty good.

I think Nero is town for how hard he's working to build cases and push people when so many of us have gone apathetic af

I'm not sure if I am ready to give iai the same check though

Oh right this is what I kept forgetting

VOTE: gerryoat

Thanks for the scum claim.

Note how he lurks during the height of the whisker wagon, one who he has “leaned scum” and “leaned town” on only to pop in when the Gerry wagon got going. Gerry who he has also leaned scum and leaned town on.

Whiskers and nauci are so obv scummates

Gerry is obv town

Math and unlucky are both possibly town too.

Town please start voting better

Will you scum or town read him when I flip town?

[Nauci]

Nope. Rolefishing is rolefishing.

Is it rolefishing when he's hard claimed masons and we're asking for a counterclaim?

[Nauci]

Idk how I currently feel about lucky but I was reading his slot as scum HARD day 1 through when I reread UCV's early posts.

I don't remember saying I town read Gerry: I remember saying every other post from Gerry had me reading as scum or town. Sometimes he made interesting push posts but most of the time they were blank votes and stuff?

I don't think Nero and I could be scum together. He's been pressuring me more than anybody when the lack of attention could mean him letting it slide instead of almost starting a train on me twice.

I think we're both town.

I find not counter claiming but not not counterclaiming really annoying. Like, that's not how that shit works: if something is already claimed, it only hurts town for there to not be a counterclaim or confirmation and full information, with the rare exception of town fake claiming to keep PR from getting NKed.

Since I'm voting him I'll poke through Gerry's iso. Sorry if this was recently mentioned but what was your (Nero) opinion of Axle?

Rhah you've played with Axle before, right? Am I dumb to be town reading him so hard because he always posts like this or something?

Shiro, same question.

Pedit: goddamnit Shiro your timing is BAH

[Nauci]

Okay after ISO I think I was reading Gerry as town because of his (albeit misguided) case on dunk and how hard he gunned for that. Also for the sincerity of his push on UC. But I read his pages of "I'm tired of this thread" waffling between several wagons as scummy, though I don't have a particularly logical reason as to why except that it's bad to blank vote change like 4x.

[Nauci]

I fell asleep trying to ISO whiskers

Welcome transcend and smocaine

At this point I'm hopelessly bad at keeping track of who replaced who when I read posts

Shiro - transcend

Joey - Viomi

Gerry - smocaine

Alisae - mathblade

Am I forgetting one I feel like I'm forgetting one

[Nauci]

Oh shit

I think I understand something now that I don't want to talk about

Hmm well that changes things a little

[Nauci]

UNVOTE:

Rhah can you answer me about Axle

[Nauci]

Oh then I don't understand his first post then!

[Nauci]

Me? No I'm just a town who sucked at playing a town game this far but then the apathy set in.

I'm not really reading Gerry as scum after ISO and I don't understand his case against Whiskers because I have so much trouble parsing his posts at all.

My problem right now is I'm town reading too many people and that feels wrong. Like I previously played like people accusing me might be scum, but after reading my own posts I'm like yeah that's a fair push okay.

So I read Gerry, Nero, Rhah, TIAM, iai as town and am having to rethink Viomi/Joey and axle and beeboy as a result.

Whiskers iso is longer than some of my games I don't know if I have enough will power for this

Haven't seen a Viomi post in some time

[Nauci]

I just remembered that the main reason I scum read UCV is because he was so active everywhere but here

[Nauci]

I mean if y'all want to mislynch me that's fine but I feel like I'm neither the scummiest nor most anti town player here

But hey whatever let's add another mislynch to the pile

Axle what did you think of my reasons for when I town read Gerry?

[Nauci]

I mean if y'all want to mislynch me that's fine but I feel like I'm neither the scummiest nor most anti town player here

But hey whatever let's add another mislynch to the pile

Axle what did you think of my reasons for when I town read Gerry?

That's your defense? "If you really want another mislynch..!"

Like I said

The apathy has set in

I've tried to play well a few times but I'm having so much trouble reading this game

I don't usually defend myself when I'm accused, I just try to play better since I'm clearly not having a good scum hunting performance, but playing better this game is *really* difficult. I have a huge amount of notes from the partial reread I managed to do but once I hit the Quickmire I lost all will to live.

[Nauci]

Welcome, Flairs!

[Nauci]

3264

I wrote this for Viomi as a quick summary of notable events in day 1-2 ish.

Since then, flubber was mislynched (VT), HST was NKed (VT), and there have been 3 more replacements (including you).

Uc Voyager = Lucky2u
Alisae = Mathblade
Gerryoat = smocaine
Shiro = transcend
Joey_ = Viomi
Beeboy = Flairs

[Nauci]

Oh and there have been strong wagons for dunkerdoodle, whiskers, quick, flubber (4+ votes)

And smaller wagons for

Ucv/lucky
Gerryoat/smocaine
Alisae/Mathblade
And now me, sort of

[Nauci]

I'm not sure how I feel about how all 3 people who recently replaced in and didn't really have time to read the thread jumped on my wagon immediately. Hmm.

[Nauci]

People who voted Dunk (vig'ed VT) before he was vig'ed: Cabd (shot VT), Gerryoat, Rhah, Whiskers, Joey_, TIAM

Quick (lynched VT) wagon: Whiskers, UC Voyager, Nauci, Flubbernugget (lynched VT), AxleGreaser, Gerryoat, Nero Cain, Beeboy, Joey_

Flubbernugget (lynched VT): HolySpiritTurtle (shot VT), Whiskers, Viomi, Rhah, MathBlade, TIAM, Gerryoat, Flubbernugget (self hammer to avoid NL)

FWIW

[Nauci]

I think people confuse my reads with not being "well reasoned" with me not liking to wall post. My play style may not fit with the site meta but I think I worth listening to because I actually put in effort and have a good record.

To be fair, not-voting one way or another is sometimes a good way to get people to back off your wagon.

Thing is, not a lot of people are asking Nauci questions, and nobody is really defending her. It's just like, a lynch going through.

Actually it's going really smoothly through.

Hm?

Yeah, I'm a little worried about how fast it grew. If it was earlier in the day I would probably unvote, but it's not, we have 3 days left which I don't think is enough time for town to reassess their actions

To an extent though, the lack of Nauci defense may have something to do with the fact that not many players have been online since it was small

also who were the mason claims

UNVOTE:

forgot self hammering was a thing bc this slot is pretty caught scum and could hammer himself before i have time to do my readings

I had a bunch of reads day 1 but day 3 I am at mostly a loss. I sheeped Axle onto Gerry initially but after ISOing Gerry I got town vibes from his day 1 game (and scum vibes from how many times he swapped votes day 2). I was trying to ISO whiskers before I threw my vote somewhere but I fell asleep. Just got home from work 20 minutes ago I'm going to make food and try again with red bull.

I only had a town read on MathBlade because I thought Alisae's push on Whiskers day 1 was really townie and haven't really been able to develop one since then.

I'm extremely honest about my reads and don't do a lot of gambits or fake outs: I don't *mean* to be like Switzerland right now; I usually dog somebody, but I'm having trouble reading anybody this game because I simply can't remember everyone's interactions.

Before N2 I had Cabd, TIAM, Rhah as town, Joey/Viomi, Beeboy/Flairs, Axle, HST, Flubbernugget (I know I flip flopped on this one, but I kept trying to read him as scummy because so many people were declaring him as scummy but every time I read his ISO instead of an individual post he read towny to me), and Math/Alisae as towny, Gerryoat/Smocaine, Nero, WHiskers as null or scumish, and UCV/Lucky as scum. But UCV's play before he checked the hell out of this game was towny, and Nero's play since then has been pretty solid pressuring so I started reading him as town. That's too many goddamned town reads though, and the fact that I town read Nero for scum reading me made me look at his reads more seriously and change my mind on people.

I'm going to take tonight as one more attempt to just reread shit and form my own conclusions independent of all this wagoning and bickering and see what happens. I don't care if y'all lynch me in the morning if I've made no progress but I'd appreciate if I had one more opportunity to try and give a shit about this game.

After I grab some food.

[Nauci]

Oops I forgot I had those multi quotes lined up.

TIAM: You'll notice that you agree to disagree with most of the thread. It's been pointed out *several* times how bad the reasoning in a very large number of your posts are. They've been more distracting than helpful since early D1 so I tuned them out. They weren't particularly good pushes either because you were so discounted, except for Math who keeps buddying y'all.

Flairs: I listed the mason claims in my Last On Fireworks Festival post. Why would you ask that?!? I thought you specifically post that you had read it?!?

Transcend: am woman. I feel like I had another thing to say about this but I can't remember it atm.

[Nauci]

if nauci was a guy he'd 100% be scum

but she's a girl so \_O_/

not to be sexist or anything but boys and girls have different alignment tells.

pedit: yes just figured this out

Well excuuuuse me for wanting to be referred to by the correct pronoun?

[Nauci]

Tell me how female tells and male tells are different please.

I legitimately can't tell if you're being sarcastic or if you can't read sarcasm.

[Nauci]

UGH

Beeboy and Alisae now have the same avatar

goddamnit

[Nauci]

Wait Transcend that wasn't sarcasm? I thought you were just making fun of me for correcting you.

Are you saying that men usually are more gung ho and women less confident?

There's actually a lot of studies about how women use less gung ho language: instead of statements women are more likely to say "I think" or "I feel" or "in my opinion" type stuff. Not that I'm using this as a case for my innocence or anything.

[Nauci]

I think the instinct is for guys to be easier on girls, not that they have different tells. A lot of people believe that girls are more intuitive and empathetic, and thus maybe better at reading people, so maybe they might have more value. Also the male/female online ratio probably magnifies this. But logically I think a lot of this is a fallacy more than helpful in winning games.

Trust me the internet trend is *not* to be nicer to women.

[Nauci]

People who voted Dunk (vig'ed VT) before he was vig'ed: Cabd (shot VT), Gerryoat, Rhah, Whiskers, Joey_, TIAM

Quick (lynched VT) wagon: Whiskers, UC Voyager, Nauci, Flubbernugget (lynched VT), AxleGreaser, Gerryoat, Nero Cain, Beeboy, Joey_

Flubbernugget (lynched VT): HolySpiritTurtle (shot VT), Whiskers, Viomi, Rhah, MathBlade, TIAM, Gerryoat, Flubbernugget (self hammer to avoid NL)

FWIW

Whiskers is on all three of these yet you continue to refuse voting there? Why?

So was Gerry but I don't think it's the most alignment indicative thing in the world. Whiskers would just give you the self preservation defense.

Eh I mean there are a lot of studies about how, statistically speaking, men and women behave differently in social environments. I don't think it's sexist to acknowledge there are differences between sexes. It totally breaks down when used in an individual analysis basis but it's not entirely bullshit to acknowledge differences on the whole. It's like saying there's a correlation between domestic abusers and mass shooters.

Idk why so many of y'all have been so active in the middle of the night.

Part of the way through a reread.

Town block, imo: Rhah, TIAM, Axle, Nero, Whiskers (yeah I know this one's gonna be hella controversial)

Leaning town: ucv, Gerry, joey

The rest are mostly null reads. I'm not sure why I gave Alisae so much town cred (probably for the all caps posts on Whiskers?). I find the "beeboy is a perfect shining beacon of towniness" crap long before beeboy had many posts of any substance to be really suspect. Also the case on whiskers was largely based on the somewhat tinfoil idea that whiskers has been faking outrage. Even though I wasn't town reading Whiskers for most of the game, we've aligned on opinions often enough I feel very empathetic to the moments he's been mad about stuff and therefore think they're totally plausibly real.

I never had much of a read on beeboy other than that so many *other* people said he was towny. I find it odd that all 6 of his early reads turned out to be town (obviously I'm counting myself there). I also find it really suspect that Flairs barely read a page of this game and immediately sheeped into the first wagon he saw (mine). I think transcend has been playing townie and pushing people well, including backing off of me for long enough to see my and others reactions to my wagon. But I'm sussing Flairs and Smocaine for it. Smocaine I'll give some self preservation credit to, I guess? I think Flairs asking who the Masons are almost immediately after saying he read my recap is fishy almost to the degree of scum slipping.

Rereading all the quick bickering with so many people made me realize it's what fucked my ability to read all up. The dude barged into the thread yelling at everyone for shit posting and then dropped a solid 50 pages of Quickering. Ugh.

So I guess I'm okay with voting anyone not on my town block. In order of least to most happy to lunch: Gerry, lucky, viomi, transcend, iai, smocaine, Flairs

VOTE: Flairs

I'm really freaked out by how many people I still don't really read as scummy though, because there have to be at least like 3 scum in this setup? I almost wonder if the weird chaos and lack of any group being particularly lock step with each other means there's actually 2 scum factions unaware of each other. That's a thing in normals, right? I'm not pure tin foil hatting that idea?

Pedit: lord almighty that argument got out of hand. The dresses analogy was pretty ignorant.

LMAO Nero I have to say that was the worst timing and context to abbreviate Transcend's username.

Will finish rereading tomorrow. Should have skipped right to the end of day 1 tbh.

[Nauci]

P.S. props to Transcend's scumhunting and Whiskers tryhard posting reinvigorating the game a bit.

Also I totally fucked up my scum list by swapping math and smocaine oops. Pretend I said smocaine, not Gerry, and math instead of smocaine.

[Nauci]

It's 6 AM and I worked from 10 am to 10 pm yesterday I'm amazed I'm as coherent as I managed to be okay

[Nauci]

I don't think you've heard anybody on that slot much since it was Shiro lol

[Nauci]

Nauci-I'm not doing Flaris today, pick one of


MathBlade
Viomi
Smocaine
Whiskers
Nauci

I mean if there was a gun to my head then math I guess, but the Masons do give me pause there.

Viomi I think you typo'ed somewhere in there

Jesus Christ why did I stay up all night on a work night for this

[Nauci]

Mod told you to stop bringing gender into this and i believe that means calling me a sexist

Anyone can be sexist, regardless of gender.

What does that even

Nevermind everybody shut up about this stuff

Okay I'm going to catch a few be back maybe lunch break if I need to move my vote or something.

[Nauci]

Viomi you can't look me in my cat Avatar's eyes and say Nero hasn't been scumhunting hard this game

[Nauci]

"math isn't a good scumhunter"

*math displays maybe flawed scumhunting/reads*

"Jesus math this sucks look at how mafia you are"





Which one is it. Math has progressions that are pretty genuine. Like where they thought Smocaine scumslipped. That wasn't fake. That's an example of a bunch of stuff that Math didn't fake.

I crossed out the one I didn't say.
Also I think I just recently said that the inverse of the third line could be true... But it was facetious, so.

Whiskers, do you suggest that Alisae's push on you was scum faking bullshit?

Yes.
Alisae's push on me was founded on the fact that I called Axel's first post or so "incredibly annoying and unnecessarily obfuscating," which somehow, allegedly, came off as a "faked reaction," or "faked anger" or some shit.

Then she quoted Joey_, who said of the same post that it was the "most cancerous shit he'd ever seen," which is very much a more violent reaction, but that

wasn't

faked, because she had meta knowledge of Joey, and that was in-character for him.

But had no good reply when I pointed out that she (having no meta knowledge of me) would have no way to know if my reaction was consistent with my town or scum play. Instead she just yelled and yelled about how I was scum. Alisae's push on me was primarily argument from repetition.

And then the votes on my wagon came without reasons, came without cases.

It wasn't even "scum faking bullshit," it was just "scum yelling a lot."

A lot of the reasons were because so many town got lynched in apparent counter wagons to you and this has been stated to death so please GTFO with the "no one says why I'm being FOSed shit please and thank you

[Nauci]

Viomi you can't look me in my cat Avatar's eyes and say Nero hasn't been scumhunting hard this game

Nero hasn't done anything but yell "x is scum, vote them or you suck, I'm gonna strongarm you!!"

Which is exactly what he did as scum last time I played with him.

Yeah I felt the same about him but I think some of my reaction was because he was arrogant and upon rereading my shitty play I think it's not scummy to hard fos me so I flipped my reads of him and iai

I'll be so salty if they're scum throwing me out as low hanging fruit though

Pedit: what's between me and math and whatever?

Iai has been after the same people ever since he came out of lurking I feel like. What do you mean he sheeped? He was the first to come after me hard.

[Nauci]

Can someone clue me in on these masons? When were they claimed and why are they legit?

I wrote a post about it already

Pls to be readings

[Nauci]

I'm actually going to listen to the masons about Mathblade and I don't disbelieve viomi's claim

Rhah hasn't ever sounded this sure about something

So I guess my pool is cut to smocaine, transcend, lucky, flairs, IAI

[Nauci]

Nero are you no longer scum reading me or just scum reading Whiskers harder?

[Nauci]

oh, I remember now! What do you think of 4141?

Sorry I fell asleep trying to catch up on that >.< (Still running a 100 degree fever. It's been like 9 days what the fuck is this shit.)

Reactions:

-I always thought flub's prod was perfectly legit about the number of scum so I was kinda scum reading you for that
-I find it weird that math called *that* out instead of the above, but also said he thinks you're not scum
-I find the other inconsistencies somewhat weird but not necessarily incriminating
-I am not going to vote Math purely because of how hard Rhah is claiming his innocence, and I haven't determined if there's a good reason yet or if it's because said "buddying" worked

[Nauci]

@Nauci- I never said I read 3264? Really confused about where you're getting that. I skimmed Day 3 before making a few posts and then went to sleep. I also definitely think you're using the word sheep wrong there, they were my reads I got from looking at Day 3.

4017

...why wouldn't you read a recap post which explicitly stated what we mean by masons?!?!?!?!?!?!??

After saying you'd read it?

How do you say you've read Day 3 to make your vote on me and miss the post you explicitly said you would read?!?!?!?!?

What is that crock of bullshit?

[Nauci]

The lovely Mathblade wagon is my brainchild. Scum have a lot of influence in this gamestate. We need like all of the town to lynch mafia. Thinking I'm a bussing scumbuddy doesn't help us reach a town bloc. I doubt scum has much of a reason to at this point anyway.

I hate this post.

You're not even close to the first one to push that slot. This post felt LAMIST af.

[Nauci]

-I always thought flub's prod was perfectly legit about the number of scum so I was kinda scum reading you for that

#1 I don't really remember you saying that. #2 You have very little experience on this site, what made you believe that 3 mafia was an acceptable number of scum in an 18 player?

-I didn't post it (my mistake; by the time I caught up reading I'd forgotten)
-I don't think that at all, I think he was just questioning you about the number of mafia in hopes you might scum slip; didn't feel like it many any of us believed there are 3 mafia

[Nauci]

Sorry I worded that poorly. I meant his prod "about the number of scum" was perfectly legit. My bad.

[Nauci]

I don't know what a "normal" scum set up is in a game of 18 though. 3 and 1? 3? 4? 2 and 2? 3 and sk? I mean obviously we can rule the latter out unless SK was one of the jailed people and it's a mind games thing but still. I don't actually have enough experience to know for sure.

I just sort of have been operating like there are 4 ish.

Pedit: I was scum reading you for throwing shade at him for what I thought was a legit reaction test/scumhunting tactic, by implying he thought there are 3 scum when it was just a prodding mechanic to ask you that.

[Nauci]

You're saying there's only three scum?

this was a really weird conclusion to make and it feels almost kinda he was trying to setup me up for "slipping". Like, I'd expect no

LESS

than 4 scum in an 18 player. 4 scum in a 17 is common and I don't think I've ever seen 5 scum in anything that's not 21 players.

IF

CABD is a 3rd party daykilling serial killer then a 3 man team scum would make sense. Even if it's not a 3 man team I could see him barking at me as scum and

PRETENDING

that I slipped like he could use the same argument that I made for it being 4 and suggest that me thinking it has to be 3 can only be a slip. Idk, it was just a bizarre post.

the rest of his ISO is meh.

Nero you had just linked me to the post in question. Like, what?

[Nauci]

Let's assume this is what Whiskers thinks.

Believing trans people don't exist is evil and despicable. However through love is how hearts get changed. Throughout this entire game people have been calling me they or he. No one here in their heart of hearts believes I am female because I have boobs. Calling someone a nazi doesn't actually make them change. It makes them go "I am not a nazi, Hitler is evil, and my opinion is justified".

FWIW Math, I am entirely in the same boat on the issue. I am *always* willing to engage someone who disagrees, so long as they're willing to engage in good faith.

[Nauci]

So you are using my words against me. Cute.

How is it using your words against you? I'm so lost.

You asked me what I think of that post. I told you that my initial impressions before were to scum read you for throwing shade at something I view as a legitimate scum hunting tactic. I'm not even calling you scum now, just explaining my thoughts earlier.

The fact that you then misdirected it as me reacting to a different post of yours is ??? Like, I was 100% reacting to what you said about Flub's question to you, and it has nothing to do with what you said about cabd, what any of us believe about the actual number of scum in this game, or anything else.

Like it's obvious which part I considered to be "throwing shade" and I feel like I've quite clearly explained my reactions and thoughts, and it takes active effort to misconstrue me.

[Nauci]

@ #4470 I thought Viomi was asking what Nero's scum reads were, not necessarily considering them?

[Nauci]

How is it using your words against you? I'm so lost.

I mean, your whole thing is that you are claiming that he was reaction testing me and that he was trying to get me to slip. In 2525 I literally say "it feels almost kinda he was trying to setup me up for "slipping"." and here you come along "oh yeah, he was trying to get you to slip." Like how the fuck is that

NOT

trying to throw my own words back at me?
I also think its fishy that you apparently thought this but forgot to post about it. And I don't think its all consistent with his words.

It was a stupid question. I should have followed my own advice

I'm not a big fan of you misrepping a dead town (that can't chime in) to retroactively explain why you were scumreading me.

When the thread was going a million miles a minute I basically was struggling to just read everything, nevermind respond to each thing like that.

I am agreeing with you that you that he was trying to set you up for slipping, but we disagree on server whether it was shady or towny. I don't think his own view of the post afterwards should be relevant to me expressing how I read that post at the time.

[Nauci]

I mean in case it wasn't clear we've been talking about my reaction to those posts at the time

But I feel like that was clear

[Nauci]

Nauci, you're alone on a vote with less than 2 days to go. How do you feel about that?

I feel like I don't know where to effectively put my vote because I am not going to vote a claimed jailkeeper and I am not voting Math because of how bizarrely sure Rhah is he's town. I also have whiskers on my town list.

So I'm waiting to see scum posting or a good case against somebody else.

Axle, thoughts? Are you still on smocaine?