Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

Joey_ · Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:40 am

I will sheep you tho if you really want AD, im tired of this day

Joey_ · Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:53 am

See im correct, ad doesnt shade me here and townread gamma/klazoum when he is basically the CW to those slot

Joey_ · Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:14 pm

In post 3296, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 3214, Joey_ wrote:Is gamma's last red he cannot just claim to have a doc shot and lie/not use it on the IC, it would makes him 100% lynched tomorrow thus against a last-red wincon. At the same time, if gamma's orange there's a lot of gains to get another night
You believe his commute shot claim?

i dont know man, i read him individually as town and im not sure it would be impossible to have a joat with a 1 shot commute, im bad at setup spec so i prefer not to read player for it

Joey_ · Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:16 pm

In post 3313, Klazam wrote:
In post 3222, Joey_ wrote:Klazoum saying that gamma is town but he isnt even trying to build a CW to his hard townread conftown gamma

I was trying, and im completely ignored because you idiots want to make conftown gamma fullclaim. Me going fuck you go ahead lynch him was because you voted him "is that a challenge." im just done with this game.

lmao

Joey_ · Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:22 pm

My spider sense tell me to lynch gamma for the sake of it, soft guilty + info etc, but my other spider sense tell me if hes town then he goes with the IC and its a terrible error to not wait when 3 scum flipd

Joey_ · Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:27 pm

I think lynching gamma is the correct conservative play that is probably resulting in a scum flip 8 out of 10 times here, the loss if wrong tho is pretty high

Joey_ · Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:34 am

I think we should flip gamma, i can live with the death of the IC if im wrong

Joey_ · Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:53 am

gamma, im unsure, its called indecisiveness. Me asking you to full claim has nothing do to with my willingness or lack-there-of to vote you

Joey_ · Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:58 am

You are a soft guilty, you should be roped one day or another. I tried to find a way to harvest the maximum town gain possible from your role, the situation and the soft guilty. At the moment i am unsure because im not really good at setup spec and that i actually individually townread some of your content (your last posts sucks dicks tho). I also broke my phone so im not following the game as closely as i were a few days ago, this is influencing my read and making me doubt even more you know.

So, i hope you understand why you should be fliped, regardless of whatever you say and/or claim, me asking you to full claim was to give me tools to make better use of your abilities and situation etc. IM still being unsure, but threatening me to vote me because you do not understand my thought process will only result in your flip buddy

Joey_ · Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:28 am

lol wtf

Joey_ · Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:28 am

who gives a shit gamma, you had to claim the moment i asked you, you ignored/refused, it was obviously town motivated

Joey_ · Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:29 am

This flip-flop is incredibly incompetent as either alignement

Joey_ · Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:33 am

Als you realize gamma that the moment you claimed the protective isnt the same context when you had the opportunity to do so earlier this day phase. This means that you preferred to claimed a protective that could be easily interpreted as a survivalism attempt more than you understand your soft-guilty state and being pro-active about your abilities for town.

And if anything, even tho i said that im still being unsure if i should vote your or not, my vote is still on klazoum, and my fos on klazoum is contingent on the fact that i think he knows youre town so eh

Joey_ · Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:38 am

In post 3370, Kokichi Oma wrote:L y n c h. G a m m a

dude this flip flop is really bad, its hard to read because of how bad it is. If hes mafia theres no way he thinks he can get the town to actually flip onto me in the last 48h so i don't get it

Joey_ · Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:39 am

In post 3371, Gamma Emerald wrote:w/e I know there's not enough time to lynch you anyway so I'll go back, but you're definitely on my radar now.
VOTE: Ranmaru

lolk

Joey_ · Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:40 am

Gamma its sad that after understanding my logic for the past 130 pages you fail to see this one

Joey_ · Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:24 am

In post 3375, Nero Cain wrote:Joey, why did you never comment on my Ran case?

Because im fairly indifferent

Joey_ · Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:28 am

i will sheep the ic for the moment VOTE: ad

Joey_ · Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:42 am

this goes w/o saying that 1 of the religion spreader should go onto the IC. I actually townread pid

Joey_ · Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:43 am

Nice the fucking post is posting itself, thx my pc

as i was saying, i townread more pidgey regardless of his claim, so marshy should go onto the IC imo, pidgey you can visit chara/nero/koki

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:15 am

Its time for mass claim, I only backed off pretty hard because nero softed a great pr

I hardclaim that i am a commuter , its also the reason why Kokichi disliked gamma commuter shot because i was his neighbor

popcorn to titus

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:18 am

theres only like 4 claims that arent on the table

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:22 am

Resolutions

Spoiler:

Spoiler: Day 2 Options

Gamestate 2.1

Alive

14/21

Spoiler:

Dead

7/21

Spoiler:

Spoiler: My reads

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:23 am

It was a commuter shot, on a joat claim. Also it was proven that joda had a track and gamma claimed track shot, so the validity of the CC wasnt that great to me

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:25 am

Also the 2 kills seems to confirm the 3man teams theory, even if we never really considered anything else

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:27 am

BTW i will vote for myself today for runner-up. Also, the fact that the Ivory resolution had no gameplay effect made me wonder if it was supposed to affect already flipped roles or not

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:28 am

In post 3427, Kiana Kaslana wrote:
In post 3420, Titus wrote:
In post 3418, Kiana Kaslana wrote:
In post 3413, Joey_ wrote:Its time for mass claim, I only backed off pretty hard because nero softed a great pr

I hardclaim that i am a commuter , its also the reason why Kokichi disliked gamma commuter shot because i was his neighbor

popcorn to titus
Why didn't we just powerlynch Gamma yesterday then? If you counterclaimed commuter it's bye bye to Gamma who was probably lying.

And, scum can't shoot you because you're a commuter.

ActionDan wasn't such a bad lynch but he was town.

Sad.
Yeah no one wanted to CC the obvscum so scum swung the wagon. P sad.
Yesterday we had 17 players. 3 Scum in 17 players; 9 to lynch. Scum would make only a maximum of 3 / 9 of the votes; that's as small as an entire newbie game. No; by definition all wagons in this game are town-led (unless we make more mistakes, but let's not think about that!). ActionDan was a good lynch; he was a pretty bad slot to begin with; it's just a pity he flipped town, but honestly nobody will miss him. Real talk.

the wagon was pretty bad regardless of the town ppl on it

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:29 am

HEAL: Joeyx2
HEAL: brassx1

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:34 am

Another thing, the fact that we Embargo'd gold could mean that we prevented a night kill somehow, it was hinted to be linked to religious gold and gaining gold via a kill. If thats true then, having only 2 night kills instead of 3 might be that we RoleBlocked a 3p kill (maybe?) over than just gamma being confirmed to be guilted via the weak visit by elbirn

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:37 am

In post 3405, Venmar wrote:Civilizations around the world will monitor its effects going forward, but already it appears that the very wealthy and very religious are being hit hard by the move away from the gold standard.

oh, very wealthy and very religious, this isnt hinting to a kill tho, so maybe gamma is truly guilted after all

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:37 am

In post 3439, Chara wrote:are we doing Joey as host or runner-up? mechanically i don't know which is better or how much it really matters.

Well as long as brass is alive i will listen to him and it doesnt actually matter since im town

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:40 am

In post 3434, marshy wrote:VOTE: gamma emerald

caesar can go too simply cuz ran flakes as scum

the fucking religion spreads were blocked by world congress. what the fuck

You got a pm stating that or you are deducing ?

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:44 am

i dont really care to answer to you if you are unintelligible bud

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:48 am

In post 3447, brassherald wrote:Dear Caesar,

Fuck off with this gimmick, or I will start with a gimmick of my own and read all your posts as mouth farts until we lynch you.

Sincerely,
Pedro II, Brazilian Carnival Thrower.

If peacekeeping comes back today then you should be made host not me

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:50 am

It could be kinda game breaking honestly if it comes back every 2 nights but im happy if it does

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:53 am

Pine, your slot is in the POE list so either contribute or you might very well be roped down the line, friendly suggestion if you care

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:03 am

i want to hear what Joda did tonight

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:04 am

In post 3462, Almost50 wrote:VOTE: Klazam

I don't care if Gamma is/isn't scum now. I just know Klazam is the last red (only one remaining to make sense to be scum with BOTH Creature & Dunker).

HEAL: brassherald
HEAL: brassherald
HEAL: brassherald

Just bringing the IC back in balance with Joey. Joey X2 + brass X1 twice put Joey ahead and Joey wants to be the runner up.

Did you receive a pm stating your religion spread were blocked ?

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:12 am

In post 3467, BuJaber wrote:First of all I don't think gamma is scum still. While I think it does nothing to actually stop the wagon, I refuse to join in on the principle.

Secondly I am even more suspicious of the religion spreaders. If we go with our assumption of 2 scum teams one of them is a lying scummy piece of manure. (I don't mean it personally)

Thirdly this may just be me being paranoid but I think it is safer not to elect brass as leader today. We still have no way to know for sure what the religion does. And we don't know if scum has targeted him at all in some way. As far as I know there is nothing in normal game rules prevenring an IC from being tainted in some way after the claim. This is in no way an attack or accusation on brass himself, but today I'd rather he be runner up.
HEAL: Host: Joey x3

Fourthly, @Ceasar: you are a big scumread right now. By all means provide us with as thorough a read list as you can but if you are town you should try to convince us of this fact. We are close to breaking the game through PoE and sorting your predecessor's slot goes along way towards that. In particular I would like to hear your thoughts about {marshy, pidgey, A50} who have all claimed religion spreader (of different religions per their claimed civ). Also your thoughts on Kiana, Klazam and Jodax. I chose these names intentionally of course as I think all scum are within these 6 names.

Fifthly, @Chara - were you wrong on any read of a flipped player yet? IIRC your reads are shaping up to be remarkably accurate. Since I've liked your approach and personality (turns out that matters - sue me I'm human) all game, and townread you for at least some of the duration of the game, I am not going to read into this as long as there are no significant changes to the game state. But please humor me.

Sixthly - we all agree that if joey is scum he just deserves to win right? Joey if you're scum kill me before lylo because I will turn on you by policy. It's my new lylo tactic. If the locktown is not dead he gets lynched at lylo. Though for the record I have not had a chance to test this strategy.

I thought I had more points to make.. I'll post more if I think of something else.

Pedit - peacekeeping doesn't have to be on host right? We can argue whether I should submit to my paranoia and give the peacekeeping to joey instead of brass or not later but if it works only on host then obviously we need to decide now

i think peacekeeper can work on anyone, i also dont think that "tainted alignement" is normal at all as a mechanic

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:19 am

So i was correct, the Host delegates does add-up

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:54 am

In post 3487, BuJaber wrote:@mod - hypothetically if a JOAT had 1-shot commute could they use it on themselves?

Commute is always applied on self

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:07 am

Also Bujaber, as always, if you want to argue that Gamma can be scum hypothetically, you cannot use what he claims as true lilke "If he was scum he wouldve used his commuter shot instead" this is only true on the premise that gamma told the truth.. which is irrelevant when you are trying to talk about a hypothetical scenario wheres hes mefias (aka lying)

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:11 am

In post 3492, BuJaber wrote:of course but I'm saying that him lying is only making his story look worse as scum.

thats the premise of good wifom, why would he make a hard to believe claim as scum ?

Just saying, i still think flipping gamma is better for the game moving forward

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:14 am

Good job fucking twat

Also this mean that scum only got 1 nk

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:15 am

So orange is also confirmed to have shot either elbirn or a protective. It make sens for varsoon to shoot elbirn after the buddying and suspicion

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:16 am

In post 3499, Chara wrote:i mean, if he's town he's not that much of a twat. he got Dunker.

i have to go look because Gamma nearly got lynched on a guilty that Shaziro would know isn't valid.

Dunker was a non issue after the creature flip, the koki shot was a wild guess and a very very very uninformed one

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:18 am

Maybe nero jailed last red tonight ? this could explain 1 less NK

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:21 am

Gamma wasnt a soft guitly only in Shaziro pov @brass

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:26 am

In post 3506, BuJaber wrote:Vig isn't a terrible claim for orange scum.

Yes it is, because if hes last orange hes basically in auto loss, he cannot claim 1 kill outside the mafia

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:32 am

In post 3511, BuJaber wrote:I mean it's the classic wifom situation of do they risk losing the kill or not. Protectives and scum trying to outsmart each other.

Pedit - I feel like I'm missing something fundamental but could you explain that a different way?

Okay so

Theres always 1xOrange + 1xRed nightkill power correct? We know from N1 theres either 3 night kill power in game OR elbirn killed himself for visiting scum

If Shaz is mafia then he wont be able to claim a 3rd nightkill power down the road since obviously he wouldnt be able to kill 2 person per night. Also roleblocking Shaz as last mafia on his team would make him in auto loss just from being embargoed(assuming it roleblock)/jailed because then the kill of his faction would cease

Im not sure if im being clear, but basically if Shaz can prove he can make a 3third kill he cannot be part of any group scum, he can be 3p or vig

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:43 am

In post 3421, Joey_ wrote:
Resolutions
Spoiler:
DAY 1

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Ban Luxury
~ Silk]

PASSES

The World Congress will monitor its effects going forward, but angry letters from textile manufacturers and sex workers alike have already started pouring in.
Effect(s) Unknown.

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Congressional Peace-keeping
~ brassherald]

PASSES

The World Congress sends its peace-keeping forces to
brassherald
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brassherald receives Protection Night 1.

DAY 2

Temporary Ban Gold
[/i]
PASSES

ivilizations around the world will monitor its effects going forward, but already it appears that the very wealthy and very religious are being hit hard by the move away from the gold standard. Effect(s) Unknown.

Temporary Ban of Ivory

PASSES

The World Congress is applauded for its conservation efforts, and animal rights activists begin contacting member Civilizations about expanding other initiatives around the world. No gameplay effect(s)

Spoiler: Day 2 Options
DAY 2

1.

[Temporary Ban Gold]
[/i] (non-consec)

IMO hinting at kills in some ways, apparently you might get gold for blood. Also hinting that gold is linked to Religion and that Religious Gold is especially bad.

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[Temporary Ban Ivory]

(non-consec)

Saying that it lasted too long and that it's one of the worst thing humanity is doing to the nature. Elephant and rhinos are endangered (Africa?)

3.
[Temporary Ban Furs]

(non-consec)

2 Italian and 1 American clothing brands listed implying they are the leaders in the fur trade. Banning Furs can help protect those animals that are close to extinction, none animal are hinted.

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[Embargo Nation]
(non-consec, cannot self assign delegates)

Implies that the World Congress is going to act on said Nation and that is more than just denunciation.

5.
[Embargo City States]

(permanent, can be repealed)

This one is actually interesting. it says that the City States are really small and that they makes the global politics more complex and that it can interfere with the politic of the others bigger and powerful civilisation. IMO this could mean that there is 3p players with 3P win-con and Town win con. This one could shut-down their 3p win-con, in that way it would make the Global Politics simpler between the bigger and more powerful civilisations (Mafia and Town ?)

6.
Protection of Natural Wonders
(permanent, can be repealed)

Hinted to be linked to Culture (?). It says that we should protect the Cultural Natural Wonders around the world. Maybe it will affect everyone ?

7.
Recognition of World Wonders
(permanent, can be repealed)

In the same ways, it says that there is a Word Wonder in each and every Civ, might affect everyone ?

8.
Funding Arts
(non-consec)

It says that Art in general and around the world will get a boost and will flourish. The Resolution is to make or oppose the making of a program about art in every Civ.

9.
Funding Science
(non-consec, can self assign delegates)

This one is interesting too because it's not what i thought it was before reading the description myself.
Basically it says the the Science in general, around the world, will get a boost and will flourish. But, the resolution is about supporting or opposiong 1 Civ to talk about making a program about science in their own Civ. So this might actually boost Science scum even if we target the IC.
Gamestate 2.1
Alive
14/21
Spoiler:
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Dead
7/21
Spoiler:
Elbirn Kokichi Oma ActionDan NeroCain

Weak Permanent BG
Neihborizer
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Changes : Added shaz's claim

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:48 am

I disgress, now that gamma is proven not-soft guilted, its much much more likely his town which gives even more credit to my klazoum case

@Chara what do you think ?

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:54 am

In post 2849, Shaziro wrote:I believe Gamma's claim and think he's a garbage-tier lynch for today. People should definitely stop telling him to out whether or not he has a protective and who he would be targeting if he is, that is literally just giving scum information. Like, fucking hell, "Oh they'll only kill Gamma that's no big deal" if they don't know if he's a protective or not, they might target somebody he is protecting and -nobody- would die, how do you miss that simple fucking logic? Christ alive.

I'm ok with Ranmaru...-kinda-. I'm not big on the idea of lynching for him being away from game like I was for Creature, because so far as I'm aware it's not his thing. I'm happy with lynching Kokichi though, to be honest, because the more I read of their stuff, the more I regret ever removing my vote from them at the start of the game. Almost50 I am less confident about now.

VOTE: Kokichi I'll set this here for now I guess.

In post 2861, Shaziro wrote:Fucking hell, Joey, what other means do you mean to use to protect the IC? If gamma is a protective, he's going to protect the IC, but it's not like there's any chance of overlap unless you magically know of some method of protecting brass that I don't. Him claiming protective does -nothing- pro town. Stop demanding it.

just like to point out that Shaziro's agenda towards Gamma (he knew he wasnt soft-guilted) is very very coherent with a vig mindset and not a SK mindset.

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:10 am

Spoiler: My reads

@Brass what do you think of that list ?

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:19 am

@brass
@Gamma

My klazam orange color basis is because of interactions (or lack thereof) with marshy + some interactions with creature, but he could be red too

Im fairly confident in calling marshy orange religion scum if theres 1

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:21 am

In post 3545, brassherald wrote:Provided no different issues arise during this day period, I think the World Congress should actually embargo Klazam and then we hang Caesar. Feedback on that?

Shaziro are you inclined to claim if you can still shoot or not ? If you do not want to claim its fine

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:26 am

In post 3550, Chara wrote:
In post 3547, Joey_ wrote:Shaziro are you inclined to claim if you can still shoot or not ? If you do not want to claim its fine
...well, this does kind of remove the "orange scum can't claim this" if Shaz says he only had two shots later

True, but im actually thinking we could peacekeep his ass to assure 2 more "lynches" for n3 and n4 if he can

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:54 pm

i reread marshy's iso and damn his claim was kinda townie, rip

Joey_ · Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:59 pm

if anything gamma this is townslippery-ish, because he didnt understand the consequences of elbirn being a confirmed group-scum shot

Joey_ · Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:29 am

Seriously, 1xdoc, 1xBG, JK and Permanent BG seems like a LOT of protectives

Joey_ · Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:30 am

Plus the peacekeeping

Joey_ · Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:34 am

Plus the commuter +1xCommute that doesnt requires protective... i dont know guy, i suck at setup spec but it strikes me as a lot

Joey_ · Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:29 am

@MOD : can we get an updated WCU pliz

Joey_ · Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:25 pm

I think we should massclaim, only an investigative role is left to claim and we have probably peacekeeper available today

Joey_ · Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:23 pm

In post 3614, Klazam wrote:If a investigative haven’t claimed, theres probably a good reason for that dontcha think?

Jesus fuck Joey I think you’re town but you’re being so scummy, it’s your rolefishing errywhere

Peacekeeping could be invaluable bud

Joey_ · Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:12 am

In post 3616, Klazam wrote:we dont even have confirmation its coming back

I know klazoum, i didnt say it but i meat to say after we get the wc pm

Joey_ · Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:35 pm

Resolutions

Spoiler:

Spoiler: Day 2 Options

Gamestate 2.1

Alive

14/21

Spoiler:

Dead

7/21

Spoiler:

Spoiler: My reads

Changes : Added joda and pidgey tr

Joey_ · Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:39 pm

@Titus shaz can hardly claim vig as Group scum so the only reasonable alignement her is town vig or sk.. and an SK has no incentive to claim a kill that negates the soft guilty on gamma. In every scenario shaz can only lie here if hes mafia with gamma and thats just like not happening ever

Joey_ · Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:58 pm

lolol alpha emerald

Joey_ · Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:59 pm

@a50 why is that titus scumplay?
Why didnt you notice prior ?

Joey_ · Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:11 pm

@A50 what do you think about massclaiming ? Titus heavily softed a pr that prefered to be concealed still. What is the gain/loss if you are wrong in this case ?

Joey_ · Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:28 pm

@Shaziro

Are you down to shoot in Ceasar/Titus tonight ?

Joey_ · Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:53 pm

In post 3666, Almost50 wrote:@Joey: Here's a suggestion.. let's put Titus @L-1, and have everybody know that a hammer is a scum claim. Titus claims and brass decides if he wants to hammer.

im fine with that but after WC is dealt with

Joey_ · Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:39 pm

thats wayyy tooo many protective somethings wrong

Joey_ · Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:41 pm

Titus, if shaz confirmed that he shot Dunk it means that elbirn got shot by orange scum thus gamma is not soft-guilted (in case shaz is telling the truth)

Joey_ · Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:42 pm

In post 3676, Titus wrote:
In post 3674, Joey_ wrote:thats wayyy tooo many protective somethings wrong
No shit. Why do you think I kept my head down and tunnelled?

Because Gamma is lying and now I can't protect Brass.

you protected him last night, why ? Gamma ("your cc") would be confirmed mafia if the IC died and you wouldnt even have to claim

Joey_ · Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:45 pm

In post 3679, Titus wrote:
In post 3677, Joey_ wrote:Titus, if shaz confirmed that he shot Dunk it means that elbirn got shot by orange scum thus gamma is not soft-guilted (in case shaz is telling the truth)
No. It means that the orange shot is unaccounted for. Nero could have stopped the orange shot. That's much more likely. Or crosskills. That too frees up the Gamma death. Stop forcing your wrong opinion.

Assumption, not opinion. Also Gamma is claiming 3 times 1shot of role that exist in the game (commuter, doc and bg) it makes literraly 0 freaking sens that gamma is town joat

Joey_ · Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:50 pm

In post 3682, Titus wrote:
In post 3680, Joey_ wrote:
In post 3679, Titus wrote:
In post 3677, Joey_ wrote:Titus, if shaz confirmed that he shot Dunk it means that elbirn got shot by orange scum thus gamma is not soft-guilted (in case shaz is telling the truth)
No. It means that the orange shot is unaccounted for. Nero could have stopped the orange shot. That's much more likely. Or crosskills. That too frees up the Gamma death. Stop forcing your wrong opinion.
Assumption, not opinion. Also Gamma is claiming 3 times 1shot of role that exist in the game (commuter, doc and bg) it makes literraly 0 freaking sens that gamma is town joat
Yes so why were you forcing me to claim rather than just lynching Gamma with me?

Because i didnt know your role ? Im still being unsure, have to reread claims and what not but im not omnipotent

Joey_ · Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:53 pm

Joda received a BG shot as well, what the hell is this game, no investigative but x2 track and tons of protective

Joey_ · Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:57 pm

Also when i think about it, doesnt Joda and Gamma's role just basically the same shit anyway ? They have a few 1xshot but Gamma knows beforehand, they even got both 1xtrack

It feels to me that Gamma's role is basically competing with Joda's, Titus' and my role

Joey_ · Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:15 am

In post 3695, Kiana Kaslana wrote:Cannot imagine Titus being scum here, take those tinfoil hats off.

Yea imo her claim is coherent with her behavior and is very believable to me, i think we just flip ceasar and see what happens

Joey_ · Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:53 am

Will update the chart and post my mind when i receive the pm

Joey_ · Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:36 pm

Couldnt clear themselves of being last red is my guess

Joey_ · Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:37 pm

inb4 im scummy for answered your question not addressed to me, im still waiting for the pm and im planning to ask for mass claim once i get it

Joey_ · Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:37 pm

answering*

Joey_ · Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:02 pm

I kinda think it should compete but im not certain im competent enough about setup spec to really have a voice there, its just the design mentality that tells me it should conflict considering a JOAT having 2 shots from existing roles + 1xtrack like another role

Joey_ · Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:51 pm

klazoum do you agree to claim after the wc is outed ?

Joey_ · Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:54 pm

Are you drunk lmao

Joey_ · Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:54 pm

But i also dont think scum would fakeclaim a confirmable role

Joey_ · Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:21 pm

Wow today's resolutions are REALLY interesting, lemme format something up

Joey_ · Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:41 pm

Resolutions

Spoiler:

Spoiler: Day 2 Options

Day 3 options

Also available in the previous days :

1.

[Embargo Nation]

(non-consec, cannot self assign delegates)

2.

[Embargo City States]

(permanent, can be repealed)

3.

Protection of Natural Wonders

(permanent, can be repealed)

***The actual name is changed in the pm but the description is the same so im going to assumed the mods being inconsistent ***

4.

Recognition of World Wonders

(permanent, can be repealed)

***The actual name is changed in the pm but the description is the same so im going to assume the mods are being inconsistent***

New resolutions (!!?) :

5.

International Games Nation

(consec, can self-assign delegates)

***This one seems complicated, i prefer to wait for the IC to give me his thoughts! But basically you can nominate a player who will then gain some kind of advantage, like abilities? unsure

6.

SECRETO PEPITO

@BRASS im not sure if this one is a good idea to out as it might give info to mefias!!!

Gamestate 2.1

Alive

14/21

Spoiler:

Dead

7/21

Spoiler:

Spoiler: My reads

Joey_ · Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:42 pm

In post 3752, Klazam wrote:Joey- why am i claiming?

Because theres like 2 3 slots who didnt claim

Joey_ · Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:43 pm

@BRASS the last resolution could give clues about fakeclaims and such BTW

Joey_ · Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:45 pm

Also i just reread the SECREOTO PEPITO and i honestly understand the thing now, but im not sure how much it could help town! i think it could go both ways and might make the game very very swingy

Joey_ · Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:52 pm

I didnt miss it, i just forgot to add it but im glad your looking at my charts

Im pushing you to claim because you in the 3 remaining who havent claimed, you one of the 2/3 im considering flipping (ranmary,you and not chara) while you are being active, ceasar isnt.

Joey_ · Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:54 pm

Youre * youre* and youre* again

Joey_ · Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:01 pm

In post 3761, Klazam wrote:Shrug, I see no advantage to claiming. You can put me down as VT.

Might be lying, might not be, dont care either way.

If i gotta be hung, then go ahead. I think even with me getting hung, the pool where scum can be is small enough, pretty sure we've won teh game.

im not considering this a claim ftr

Joey_ · Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:02 pm

titus said she didnt want to take the chance to let the IC dies just to prove that you were fake and/or to claim roleblocked/strongarmed

Joey_ · Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:03 pm

Its not a fucking claim if its not a hardclaim, dont insult my intelligence

Joey_ · Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:04 pm

Klazam, do you understand that the game is almost opened up ? refusing to claim is not a good thing

Joey_ · Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:05 pm

In post 3768, Klazam wrote:
In post 3765, Joey_ wrote:titus said she didnt want to take the chance to let the IC dies just to prove that you were fake and/or to claim roleblocked/strongarmed
Trade of one town for one scum heavily favors town, even if said town is an IC

No shit its not a hardclaim. Im not moving from this here stance, deal with it.

BTW i didnt imply i agreed with titus justification, i actually disagreed and i got that information because i asked her myself for the same reason you are disliking the move, im just telling you what she told me when i asked her

Joey_ · Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:06 pm

Joey_ · Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:11 pm

I dont think shes thinks ure red, also from a doc pov its hard to justfify letting the IC dies then claim doc the next day if ure hardfos/half cc didnt deliver on his protective shot, idk dude i think the scenario is believable

Joey_ · Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:59 pm

What i posted are the 6 avaible resolutions, peacekeep isnt available

Joey_ · Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:05 am

In post 3786, brassherald wrote:I kind of want to do the Olympics. It says it will likely give economic and diplomatic benefits to one player... Thoughts on whether we do that for a town read (Not for me, since I possibly would never see the benefits)?

It says the deisgnated player will have to make a list of "sports" and then vote on that or something, what about that ?

Joey_ · Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:16 am

Sure why not, just know that there isnt any claimed protective left but we can still.

About the SECRETO PEPITO resolution, im pretty sure that its about PT, do you agree that theres hardly any town gain at this point for this ?

Joey_ · Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:20 am

In post 3793, brassherald wrote:
In post 3792, Joey_ wrote:Sure why not, just know that there isnt any claimed protective left but we can still.

About the SECRETO PEPITO resolution, im pretty sure that its about PT, do you agree that theres hardly any town gain at this point for this ?
I don't think there is, too many moving parts right now and way too many variations.

THX!

Joey_ · Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:22 am

In post 3794, Gamma Emerald wrote:Joey could you do the Oplympics thing and still commute?

Depending what it does, if its a night ability im guessing i cant use both

Joey_ · Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:28 am

Also im starting to understand the design of the game! It seems like theres a lot of protective power probably to make the resolutions a decent choice, because otherwise any town gaining and advantage would get killed on the spot from either faction one way or the other (or by shaz if he thinks its scum who got the power).

So that kinda makes sens, also the lack of investigative its more about confirming visits like track/watch and the role cop was mafia (to help find that titus is non-consecutive? or stuff like that) while mafia also had a full RB which makes sens with that many protective. The IC is probably assumed to be drawing a lot of the protect power and then get resolutions + lead the town w/o the need of investigative

Joey_ · Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:29 am

In post 3797, brassherald wrote:
In post 3796, Joey_ wrote:
In post 3794, Gamma Emerald wrote:Joey could you do the Oplympics thing and still commute?
Depending what it does, if its a night ability im guessing i cant use both
I think we give it outside of Joey and myself.

I'm thinking, maybe we send it to one of the religion spreader claims.

Thoughts on Pidgey getting the international games which I call the Olympics?

On down to give stuff to chara/pidgey/joda (but it might conflict with her abilities)

Joey_ · Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:41 am

What about we try to embargo city states ? i still think it points to a 3rd party win con

Or world wonder/national wonder ?

Joey_ · Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:08 am

@Brass i will embargo city states okay ? if im correct and this is a 3p, it will be helpful in the long run

Joey_ · Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:55 am

Just sent my picks with city states as first so you can pick whoever you want for the international games, my first choice is pidgey

Joey_ · Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:18 am

@MAESTRO : You forgot to change the names of the Heal and Hurt tag in the spoiler! I love you

Joey_ · Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:34 am

In post 3836, Titus wrote:
In post 3834, brassherald wrote:I'm banning gold and ivory again.
That's your right and all but I feel banning gold and ivory is suboptimal.

lol titus

Joey_ · Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:36 am

@Titus the resolutions are what are stated in the top half of the post, Masetro just forgot to change the name of the tags and brass made a joke about it

Joey_ · Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:14 am

my commuting could also explain the lack of a kill

Joey_ · Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:23 pm

@klazoum Youre reading it backwards klazoum, it implies that City Sates does interfere with the global politics and that embargoing them might prevent them from interfering imo

Also the olympic choice was brass' resolutions, not mine but i fully agree with his choice

Joey_ · Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:40 pm

odd replace out, we havent finished the WC and so we aren't actually into the phase where we decides who to lynch, it was stated a bunch of time

Joey_ · Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:41 pm

HEAL: Embargo City States x1
HEAL: International games Pidgey x2

Joey_ · Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:04 pm

joda and bujaber really obvtowned hard in the last 2 pages, and that is considering i already have lockedtowned them

Joey_ · Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:05 pm

I think that we should flip ranmaru's slot at this point, shaz can yolo his shot but we should (ic should) make a pool for him to shoot in, i dont want him to shoot pidgey or any of my hard town

Joey_ · Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:46 am

In post 3892, Shaziro wrote:I think the idea that City States being denounced might make it so scum can communicate might be valid. If you think about it, interfering in the diplomacy of powerful civs -could- easily mean they interfere with Scum talking to one another, be it between teams or the one I think is more likely, during the day. It -could- also change the amount of votes we get daily, which is how it works in Civ V. Balance-wise, which seems more likely?

Also, Titus replace out is a shame, but it's whatever. I want to see the replacement's first few things before making a call on that slot.

no its honestly a terrible idea and just think about how would the mod even do that, anonymous pm ?

Joey_ · Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:50 am

Also if it was the case, maybe mafia would get a hint that their communication is blocked ? And thus varsoon might not be extremely obvious when directly talking to the other scum faction but mightve hinted at getting city states, food for thoughts

Joey_ · Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:44 am

In post 3931, marshy wrote:does town have NO investigative roles? or does the red scum team have no investigative scum? id like to kno what joey thinks of this.

I thought about that a lot actually! Varsoon's flipping role cop is probably most-if-not all orange investigative role while no red flipped investigative! I also think that in some ways, the absurd amount of protectives could be the offset for the lack of investigative ? Like obviously town gets a lot of advantage if they can keep passing resolutions on town and protected players, maybe the resolutions themselves grants investigative abilities ? idk man, theres still like 3 unclaimed slot

I dont understand that part : "if someone could please link me/explain WHY jodax claim thatd b greatly appreciated and ill answer any question they hav for me in return", do you want to know why joda claimed at all or why would she as scum?

Joey_ · Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:49 am

Also marshy kinda towntold there, some of his line are seriously 12/10

Joey_ · Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:52 am

Also a Joat or inventor would fit perfectly as the "investigative" slot in the red team imo

Joey_ · Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:04 am

Resolutions

Spoiler:

Spoiler: Day 2 Options

Spoiler: Day 3 Options

Gamestate 3.0

Alive

14/21

Spoiler:

Dead

7/21

Spoiler:

Spoiler: My reads

Changes : Added Titus claim, added resolutions d3, added marshy read

Joey_ · Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:07 am

@BRASS : we should seriously ask both Ceasar and klazam to hardclaim, chara's claim is not needed

Joey_ · Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:07 am

dude brass you fucking bamboozled me there

Joey_ · Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:11 am

FTR i dont think buba can be red mafia ever here, if he was red scum he would never cc VT as lone mafia, in case the scenario where theres actually a single VT in the game is true, he would put himself in autoloss

Joey_ · Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:22 am

In post 3967, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3960, Joey_ wrote:FTR i dont think buba can be red mafia ever here, if he was red scum he would never cc VT as lone mafia, in case the scenario where theres actually a single VT in the game is true, he would put himself in autoloss
I think him ccing vt is honestly a genuine town play. Like that take some serious balls as scum to pull off in this type of game.

i know man but like i think mechanically hes cleared of RED but i hardtownread him still

Joey_ · Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:23 am

Also btw ranmaru posted a lot in other games and that is after claiming he would care about this game. Ceasar also said that he would post more but he didnt, hes also posting in games on his other accs so

VOTE: ceasar

Joey_ · Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:53 am

In post 3972, Klazam wrote:you got my claim, so lol.

Casear wagon is goodwagon, keep it going.

you didnt hardclaim

Joey_ · Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:46 am

Lets go, lets flip ceasar's slot

Joey_ · Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:32 pm

In post 3983, pidgey wrote:I jus submitted my olympic sports thing

You received a pm about it? Could you explain roughly the pm plz

Joey_ · Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:04 am

lol 1 was random as shit, d2 wasnt fite me pinnochio

Joey_ · Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:04 am

mfw wrong thread

Joey_ · Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:46 am

pidgey can you be more transparent

Joey_ · Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:41 pm

replacing one-self is one of the nerdiest thing i have ever seen

Joey_ · Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:04 pm

UNVOTE:

Joey_ · Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:58 am

Pine, im a good kitty and so i will give yout BOTD but you better deliver some genuine thought process cause i will 100% lynch your ass if you dont

Joey_ · Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:10 am

i dont want to be a dick otm but almost everything you just said was already addressed and most of your reaction to previous post are now obsolete. Im still okay with the reaction-catching up thingy, its just that with a 160 pages long game its not as effective

Joey_ · Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:12 am

[

Brassherald
Innocent Child
▓▓▓▓
Joey	Chara
Commuter	?
▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Kiana Kaslana	Bujaber	Gamma Emerald	Klazam
VT	VT	JOAT	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Shaziro	Pidgey	Jodaxq
Vig or SK	Catholic Spreader	Self Random Inventor
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Almost50	Marshy	Ranmaru	Titus
Taoism Spreader	Protestant Spreader	?	Non-Consec Doc
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓

it slightly irritates me that ppl says they read my iso yet fail to open my spoiler tags about my reads
The gamma being non-red is something that i brought up the moment d2 started, the shaz being a vig OR SK is something that has been in my read list the moment shaz claimed, the theory about 2 religion spreader not being in the same team has also been there in my reads etc.

Joey_ · Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:13 am

Resolutions

Spoiler:

Spoiler: Day 2 Options

Spoiler: Day 3 Options

Gamestate 3.0

Alive

14/21

Spoiler:

Dead

7/21

Spoiler:

Spoiler: My reads

Actually going to quote the whole post here since he also asked for resolution.. OTM how could you miss those posts ?

Joey_ · Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:15 am

In post 4082, OnTheMark wrote:
In post 1040, Joey_ wrote:EBtw town circle for now -> kokichi, nero, sharizo and prob dunk
And this is why you don’t town block and then distribute based on said block.

Dunk is confirmed mafia and Shaziro could be SK.

Just stawp it.

In post 4083, OnTheMark wrote:
In post 2358, Joey_ wrote:Also spec wise, a religion spreader + invest role + some sort of blocking role makes sens for a scum team (this is conf bias too and gamma could lie and about his role as scum)
This also means that there might be an orange religion spreader? Hm
This makes sense

We need a list:

Who has gotten religious and who hasn’t? And do we know what religion does yet?

How could you go reading my iso from post 1040 to 2358 in literally a minute ???

Joey_ · Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:20 am

In post 4068, OnTheMark wrote:
In post 442, Joey_ wrote:Im breaking the RP because i feel like it keeps me from responding quickly to new stuff and it might hinder my wincon.

@Elbirn about Brass: I disliked most of his content, its especially pretty underwhelming compared to the rest of the table. That being said, my mind changed since i made that vote because he's obviously and very heavily softing that his behavior is explained by his role which IMO is not something i think scum just does. He also had that attitude since the very first post so this is coherent with his posting.

Also inb4 anyone try to push that i am fishing for claims, Brass implied something about his role easily 4-5 times since the beginning of the game, if you didn't notice yet then you are just not paying attention, me saying that in this post doesn't help scum as much as it helps town give the guy some space.
Dear Prime Minister of Stars,

If you feel the RP was stopping you from responding immediately at this point in time, and not the others what caused your stop? I wonder who or what was being pushed at that time. And why did you feel the need to respond immediately? (Yes I am a hyperposter
as well
I am
not
saying hyperposting is scummy. I am saying I need to ascertain the root cause)

This is what I call a “significant event”. Anything that causes yourself or someone else to make a playstyle change or a change in reads is a significant event. Those need to address the why.

Sincerely,

I fucking hate this RP and doing this to make a point

The moment i stopped the RP was the moment where i needed to express my thoughts more clearly because the game got more serious, it was about the end of RVS/trolling. Your question is pretty darn redundant as well

"If you feel the RP was stopping you from responding immediately at this point in time, and not the others what caused your stop?"

Because the moment i stopped the RP was exactly the moment where i felt that my RP was hindering my play enough that it was justified i stopped rp'ing

Joey_ · Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:26 am

Thats bs, read my iso and come back, dont half ass it

Joey_ · Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:28 am

FUCKING OPEN THE SPOILER GODDAMIT

Joey_ · Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:31 am

CLAIMS

Joey_ · Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:34 am

Also why do you even care to iso me if you dont open my reads lists lol, as if you could only judge my alignement from scum interactions and not my reads progression

Joey_ · Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:37 am

i dont know, i assumed. When i said i think theres 1religion spreader per team is just an assumption you know, i think a50 towntold a bunch and i townreads pidgey and marshy now, i wont lynch them based off an assumption

Joey_ · Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:39 am

Im not inconsistent at all and you have seriously no business telling me that if you havent bothered to read me so no offense but fk off

Joey_ · Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:42 am

Dude you know that if theres actually a religion spreader orange in there, its still 1/3 and its an issue that will resolve itself naturally if we correctly lynch scum outside that pool ? its really not a big deal to lynch a scum rel spreader even, and in the case that we are incorrect we might end up lynching the whole pool when all of them flip town after the other. Lynching the in the religious pool is a non-issue atm

Joey_ · Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:44 am

In post 4107, OnTheMark wrote:I noticed no one has answered my question.

What does religion actually do?

We have four religion spreaders (by claims) in the game.

So who is religious and what does it do?

The religions spreader does not knows what it does, what we know tho is that :

- Someone can only be religious from 1 religion at the time
- If 2 religious spreader target the same ppl, the 1st sending his pm overrides the others.
- The resolution "Temporary Ban gold" roleblocked the religious spreading ability and they received a PM telling them it was blocked.

We assume that there's further resolutions down the line that might affect this, we don't know as of yet.

Joey_ · Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:47 am

Also OTM do you confirm or infirm Titus claim ?

Joey_ · Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:49 am

In post 4111, OnTheMark wrote:
In post 4108, Joey_ wrote:Dude you know that if theres actually a religion spreader orange in there, its still 1/3 and its an issue that will resolve itself naturally if we correctly lynch scum outside that pool ? its really not a big deal to lynch a scum rel spreader even, and in the case that we are incorrect we might end up lynching the whole pool when all of them flip town after the other. Lynching the in the religious pool is a non-issue atm
So a 33% chance odds of lynching scum
Or assuming 7 scum game 4 scum remain
14 alive take out three religion spreaders
4/11 which is 36% odds

...I could be convinced to leave it alone today. But tomorrow I think we look in the spreaders.

mafia is NOT a game about probabilities and that is only true assuming WE KNOW 1 scum in that pool and we don't

Joey_ · Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:50 am

In post 4112, OnTheMark wrote:
In post 4110, Joey_ wrote:Also OTM do you confirm or infirm Titus claim ?
I already said non conseq doc dude

cant blame me for half reading ppl can you

Joey_ · Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:52 am

Tbh i only read "i isoed titus' i didnt read the whole sentence <3

Joey_ · Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:58 am

Then dont ever imply that you prefer to lynch in the non-rel spreader just because theres a 3% better odds to lynch scum

Also your post was really unwarranted

Joey_ · Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:56 am

In post 4123, Almost50 wrote:@Joey: Actually, OTM has just pointed out something... in your reads section you have me as possibly Orange but not either of Marshy/Pidgey. Why?

townreads, you can check the other version of that post to see my read progression

Joey_ · Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:17 pm

VOTE: pine i refuse to let you have the privilege to "survivalism-vote" while you have done nothing

Joey_ · Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:21 pm

In post 4036, Pine wrote:Titus, stick around for me? I've blocked out a couple of hours tonight to this game, and I think you and I can crack this.

Give it one more shot?

I'm pretty sure we're friends this game.

Also this is coming from someone who basically tried to buddy and/or townread to some extent titus

Joey_ · Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:45 am

oh, hi titus's sister, i knew we knew each-other somewhere

Joey_ · Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:46 am

In post 4145, Pine wrote:
In post 4139, Joey_ wrote:VOTE: pine i refuse to let you have the privilege to "survivalism-vote" while you have done nothing
That is, in fact, not what I am doing.

then unvote and catch up, you said yourself you have/had no clue about whats going on and you promised many time you would do an effort to read the game, so do so before you get to vote someone

Joey_ · Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:49 am

not gonna lie tho, knowing your math makes me scumread your content there but i can be wrong, still it doesnt explain pine's behavior

Joey_ · Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:49 am

youre*

Joey_ · Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:05 am

In post 4025, Pine wrote:I will. I honestly have no idea what's going on, and need to read.

In post 4027, Pine wrote:
Mod: Request deadline extension. A few days are really all I need to get into this, find the scum, and start solving the game.

In post 4036, Pine wrote:Titus, stick around for me? I've blocked out a couple of hours tonight to this game, and I think you and I can crack this.

Give it one more shot?

I'm pretty sure we're friends this game.

In post 4132, Pine wrote:I'm getting solid scumvibes from OnTheMark. That's gonna sound self-serving, but their posts ping my radar.

FWIW

In post 4138, Pine wrote:
In post 4132, Pine wrote:I'm getting solid scumvibes from OnTheMark. That's gonna sound self-serving, but their posts ping my radar.

FWIW
This didn't contain a vote, my bad. It was meant to.

VOTE: OnTheMark

In post 4145, Pine wrote:
In post 4139, Joey_ wrote:VOTE: pine i refuse to let you have the privilege to "survivalism-vote" while you have done nothing
That is, in fact, not what I am doing.

This is pine's last posts, literally back to back in his iso and all of them show a very distinct lack of coherence between them

1. Pines says that he don't know whats going on because he couldnt play while RP, that can be fair and thus i gave him BOTD because it can happen. He said he would read the game

2. He asks for a deadline extension, this is implying that he plans on using the extension days properly to read the game and form reads. Like he said himself, he plans on "to get into this" and start solving the game.
-> Pine basically stated 2-3 times including on his ceasar alt that he wanted to get into the game and would invest time, this is still not happening

12 hours later

3.Pines again declares that he plan on reading the game and to solve it with titus's help. His sentence about her and him being friend could mean some kind of gut townreads considering he didn't read at this point

24 hours later

4. Basically he foses the replacement into titus slot, the exact slot he just (IMO) implied some kind of townreads. This post is really vague and is just pure shading. Pine Still has showed no genuine thought process so far in the game, not even once not did he make any reads himself or attempted to. Pine hasn't showed doubt towards the slot, just shading

18 hours later

5. Pine basically reread the thread (or knew he forgot to vote) because he quoted himself to include a vote in his post. Do you know how does that sounds ? Someone that is actually revisiting the thread they promised they would contribute but the only thing they do is to fix their last post to include a vote ? imo it feels like he was self-aware that his post was shading yet he didnt vote, imo he was self-aware of the inconsistence so he made a post

justifying

that he meant to but didnt. IMO feels like scum, a town here probably would just vote and not try to justify themselves since no one pointed the post as being incoherent

6 hours later

6. Pine is still reading the read relatively frequently but he isnt making ANY content, showed no interest in actually reading the game. All he did: he promised since replacing-in to get into the game and solve it, hes doing jack shit and is coasting the lynch

Pine if you are town then i expect your next post to be an unvote + an attempt to read, if you do anything else i will assume you are scum-claiming and will make a vendetta to see you roped today

Joey_ · Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:08 am

In post 3701, Caesar Wills It wrote:I'll catch up, starting with where I replaced in, and have a full reads list up in an hour or two.

He also said that a week and a half ago

Joey_ · Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:09 am

and all this crap is onto of ranmaru also saying he would try to get into the game more before ninja-replacing out in the night, like cmon

Joey_ · Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:12 am

In post 4175, OnTheMark wrote:VOTE: pidgey

Yes I know we aren’t voting religion spreaders today. I am just putting thoughts as I go. Since this time is here I am going to use it.

this is never happening

Joey_ · Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:12 am

In post 4177, Pine wrote:Hey Joey?

Bite me.

I am a full-grown adult working fifty hours a week on top of having a wife who is 35 weeks pregnant, meaning I do all housework on top of caring for her. Further, I have other priorities on-site. I'm here, I'm reading all new posts, but I straight-up do not have time to sit down for several hours and read a massive archive that you keep shitposting to add to.

So kindly bite me. I'm readying OTM's replacement as scummy, and that's about all I have to say at the moment. I'm working on more, but I'm not there.

By the by, anyone who knows me knows that this isn't my scum meta. It's also not my Town meta. It's just plain life.

i dont give a crap, dont say you will read when you dont have, im not scumreading laziness and lack of content, im sring incoherence. Either play or replace out cause ima lynch ur ass if you keep making excuses

Joey_ · Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:13 am

Also has nothing about meta, i never implied it was meta related either way

Joey_ · Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:15 am

When you dont have time *

Joey_ · Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:17 am

Also about pidgey’s post, it is indeed clunky but theres really isnt any malice or scum agenda behind it. A post can be factually and logically flawed while not being scum motivated math which is the case here

Joey_ · Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:28 pm

Hes fucking obvious town, theres nothing more to it

Joey_ · Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:28 pm

Btw misread that, anyway vote pine

Joey_ · Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:51 pm

In post 4201, OnTheMark wrote:
In post 2516, Joey_ wrote:
Resolutions
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DAY 1

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Ban Luxury
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The World Congress will monitor its effects going forward, but angry letters from textile manufacturers and sex workers alike have already started pouring in.
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Congressional Peace-keeping
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brassherald receives Protection Night 1.
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Changes :
Added Gamma and Joda's correct claim
What makes a claim “correct” in this case versus what seems to be incorrect before?

They precised their claim.
Gamma initially only claimed to have watched brass, i assumed incorrectly watcher
Joda initially only claimed a track shot on gamma, i assume incorrectly tracker

Joey_ · Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:55 pm

In post 4203, OnTheMark wrote:
In post 2625, Joey_ wrote:Actually, i just thought about it but Gamma is mechanically clear of being last red already since he would never have wasted his faction scum night kill on the protected IC, also joda and gamma cant both be lying (in case joda faked the track) since theres most likely 1 red left so
What makes you think scum tried to kill an IC? Three deaths last night means likely scum didn’t try to shoot IC. Fill in where I am missing stuff please I feel like words are slowly blurring together I wanna get to the bottom of page two before calling it a night.

Elbirn's death could be explained by visiting as a weak role, meaning that he could not have been shot. His death can be caused by other means than mefia
My point was that the mod confirmed that mafia cannot use an abilitiy + the night kill EVER even if they are the last mafia in their faction

Since the beginning of the game i always assumed that mefias were 3 members. I initially thought that gamma couldn't be red mafia because he would not have wasted a night ability (the only one from a presumed red last-member) onto a mod confirmed protected IC.
This logic is flawed because dunk couldve made a kill attempt and gamma do any ability on the IC that night. IRC i said my post didnt work

Joey_ · Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:57 pm

Can you explain the thought process behind those "So A50 and Gamma are as close to IC as can be barring mod conf."

Joey_ · Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:59 pm

In post 4210, Joey_ wrote:
In post 4203, OnTheMark wrote:
In post 2625, Joey_ wrote:Actually, i just thought about it but Gamma is mechanically clear of being last red already since he would never have wasted his faction scum night kill on the protected IC, also joda and gamma cant both be lying (in case joda faked the track) since theres most likely 1 red left so
What makes you think scum tried to kill an IC? Three deaths last night means likely scum didn’t try to shoot IC. Fill in where I am missing stuff please I feel like words are slowly blurring together I wanna get to the bottom of page two before calling it a night.

Elbirn's death could be explained by visiting as a weak role, meaning that he could not have been shot. His death can be caused by other means than mefia
My point was that the mod confirmed that mafia cannot use an abilitiy + the night kill EVER even if they are the last mafia in their faction

Since the beginning of the game i always assumed that mefias were 3 members. I initially thought that gamma couldn't be red mafia because he would not have wasted a night ability (the only one from a presumed red last-member) onto a mod confirmed protected IC.
This logic is flawed because dunk couldve made a kill attempt and gamma do any ability on the IC that night. IRC i said my post didnt work

To be clearer, i meat "wasted his night-faction kill" not in the way that he wouldve tried to shoot the IC, but in the way that he would try to use another ability on the IC over using his night kill (using an abilitiy preventing his faction night kill there)

Joey_ · Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:09 pm

1. Assuming gamma is scum, all that is true is that Joda claimed he visited IC. So that question should be phrased : Why would scum gamma visit a protected IC ?
2. IIRC and correct me if im wrong, Gamma claimed that only a50 visited the IC after being outed by the tracker. That might be a lucky guess or indeed he watched the IC. You can also be paranoid and say that gamma knew a50 visited him because they are both orange.
3. Religion have been stated by all the religion spreaders to have 0 negative utilitiy, they are obviously modified via the passing of resolutions which i assume can be good or bad or just neutral.

So the whole claiming neg utility is not a thing nor is the guilty by gamma.

Why is the world where one is town and the other one is mafia not a thing in your mind ?

Joey_ · Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:14 pm

Also the theory where both can be mafia is not that impossible for many reasons.

Theres the theory where 1 religion spreader is orange. If mafia has more information about religion than we do (maybe a member power ? idk) they could want to spread religion to the IC for some reasons, control, abilitiy, roleblock i have no idea
Then A50 cannot be red because 2 religion spreader in a team makes no sens, they would compete..
Then Gamma really did non-team tell really fucking hard with both flipped red.. assuming its a team of 3 members again he would not have wasted his abilitiy on the IC, meaning if hes mafia hes orange (as showed in my reads list)

So both of them cannot be red mafia ever, if they are mafia they can only be orange imo

Joey_ · Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:15 pm

In post 4218, Gamma Emerald wrote:@joay's 2 I'm honestly surprised I haven't seen any of the "gamma fakeclaimed watcher and used the in-thread info to fortify his claim" argument anywhere. That was honestly something I was concerned about.

hint : im not mafia

Joey_ · Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:11 am

VOTE: kiana

@Brass note that im still lynching pine this game

Joey_ · Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:16 am

Brass what about my pine post and his promises to read the game ? his reaction to my post etc?

Joey_ · Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:28 am

In post 4250, OnTheMark wrote:
In post 4248, Joey_ wrote:Brass what about my pine post and his promises to read the game ? his reaction to my post etc?
Permission to Garcia?

to answer i guess ? sure

Joey_ · Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:45 am

In post 4253, OnTheMark wrote:viewtopic.php?f=56&t=70415&user_select%5B%5D=29435

Pine actually loved the RP in the prior civ game.

I find the lack of time claim genuine.

Don’t get me wrong he could be scum but we need him to be more active to find that out. I think if he doesn’t become unbusy soon he might want to think about replacing out but I don’t see the same “excitedness” from him.

Oh and please ignore the dumpster fire I was that game.

lol, i was there, im cloudkicker

Joey_ · Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:14 am

can we do something or nah, pine is still unapologetically doing straight fuck all

Joey_ · Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:05 pm

Blablalbla pine being a scumfuck

Joey_ · Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:06 pm

Also its hilarious you talk about my iso, i actually made a very recent case on you which is much more than literraly anyone else on the table

Joey_ · Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:08 pm

Why do you shade me and vote the pokemon btw? Please tell me pretty pls

Joey_ · Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:10 pm

VOTE: pine i will probably regret it for the rest of the game if we lynch outside. The pokemon vote is incredibely bad and has no fucking business existing close to deadline, also pine voting with his only ficking scumread, just tell me how much oncoherent can this slot be and still not be lynched

Joey_ · Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:11 pm

Brass please, get pine im appealing to you, this slot has to die

Joey_ · Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:14 pm

PODGEY TOWNTOLD ALL GAME BUT YON DONT GIVE A SHIT TO READ

Joey_ · Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:15 pm

Also scumreading ppl is NOT tunneling, i gave you many outs that you didnt take so eat rope

Joey_ · Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:16 pm

i will lynch you pine

be it today or tomorow or the day after, im unlynchable by day play and unkillable by night play so you will have to go trought me

Joey_ · Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:23 pm

Looooooooooooiooool im not scumhunting, Read the motherfucking game

Joey_ · Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:24 pm

Also tunneling scum is good for my wincon

Joey_ · Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:24 pm

Nah bruh im going to boycott the shit out of vio and instant vote you in the event we go to lylo, confirming you as mefia

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