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Michael Rennie was ill
The Day the Earth Stood Still
But he told us where we stand
And Flash Gordon was there
In silver underwear
Claude Rains was The Invisible Man
Then something went wrong
For Fay Wray and King Kong
They got caught in a celluloid jam
Then at a deadly pace
It Came From Outer Space
And this is how the message ran...
Science fiction (ooh ooh ooh) double feature
Doctor X (ooh ooh ooh) will build a creature
See androids fighting (ooh ooh ooh) Brad and Janet
Anne Francis stars in (ooh ooh ooh) Forbidden Planet
Wo oh oh oh oh oh
At the late night, double feature, picture show
I knew Leo G. Carroll
Was over a barrel
When Tarantula took to the hills
And I really got hot
When I saw Janette Scott
Fight a Triffid that spits poison and kills
Dana Andrews said prunes
Gave him the runes
And passing them used lots of skills
But When Worlds Collide
Said George Pal to his bride
I'm gonna give you some terrible thrills
Like a...
Science fiction (ooh ooh ooh) double feature
Doctor X (ooh ooh ooh) will build a creature
See androids fighting (ooh ooh ooh) Brad and Janet
Anne Francis stars in (ooh ooh ooh) Forbidden Planet
Wo oh oh oh oh oh
At the late night, double feature, picture show
I wanna go - Oh oh oh oh
To the late night, double feature, picture show
By R.K.O. - Wo oh oh oh
To the late night, double feature, picture show
In the back row - Oh oh oh oh
To the late night, double feature, picture show-
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In case point 1 of the game information didnt make it obvious yet.........Drealmerz really loves attention, so you probably should spam with with any (in)sane questions you have regarding the game, your role pm, life in general, or the menstrual cycle of your pigeon.
Being clueless about your role pm later on should not be a valid excuse anymore-
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Ending the day quickly is the most retarded thing we can do in a situation with limited information.
In all likelyhood the only way to kill the cult masters is for some vig-type ability to shoot them in the motherfucking face.
Ending quickly gives us no information to find the cult masters. It allows the cult masters to recruit (saying it helps to prevent it is lol-bad, all it takes is one pm to the mod), and puts us at instant disadvantage.-
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yes, my first post skills are on point, dontcha agree?In post 31, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Isn't this the first song in the movieIn post 3, Vecna wrote:Michael Rennie was ill
The Day the Earth Stood Still
But he told us where we stand
And Flash Gordon was there
In silver underwear
Claude Rains was The Invisible Man
Then something went wrong
For Fay Wray and King Kong
They got caught in a celluloid jam
Then at a deadly pace
It Came From Outer Space
And this is how the message ran...
Science fiction (ooh ooh ooh) double feature
Doctor X (ooh ooh ooh) will build a creature
See androids fighting (ooh ooh ooh) Brad and Janet
Anne Francis stars in (ooh ooh ooh) Forbidden Planet
Wo oh oh oh oh oh
At the late night, double feature, picture show
I knew Leo G. Carroll
Was over a barrel
When Tarantula took to the hills
And I really got hot
When I saw Janette Scott
Fight a Triffid that spits poison and kills
Dana Andrews said prunes
Gave him the runes
And passing them used lots of skills
But When Worlds Collide
Said George Pal to his bride
I'm gonna give you some terrible thrills
Like a...
Science fiction (ooh ooh ooh) double feature
Doctor X (ooh ooh ooh) will build a creature
See androids fighting (ooh ooh ooh) Brad and Janet
Anne Francis stars in (ooh ooh ooh) Forbidden Planet
Wo oh oh oh oh oh
At the late night, double feature, picture show
I wanna go - Oh oh oh oh
To the late night, double feature, picture show
By R.K.O. - Wo oh oh oh
To the late night, double feature, picture show
In the back row - Oh oh oh oh
To the late night, double feature, picture show-
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I was told the same thing, survivors can win as survivors.In post 54, Srceenplay wrote:
When we’re you told that fallacy?In post 48, JaydragonKing wrote:I was specfically told that the neutrals have a chance at winning as well. It's whoever's the biggest at the end.
Just gotta find the way to kill of them cult masters. We win if we outnumber all other factions, and they have no way anymore of changing that balance.
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Spotted the cult master attempting a dumbtell as a deflection mechanism
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In post 128, JaydragonKing wrote:Well when we see two people suddenly buddy up on day 2 we can assume they are now one of the cults. And most of us probably can't even do anything about that.-
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Lets bundle forces, we've already figured it out.In post 135, Chickadee wrote:I feel like all of the first cycle is going to be RVS and people just questioning how the game works, and I'm really not excited for that.
Now all we need to do is enslave the masses and bend their puny brains to our wills.
Man I wish I was a cult master, id be made for this shit.-
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More dumbtelling or really just not in the mood to read or ask questions to the mod?In post 139, Lifthrasil wrote:I'm not entirely sure what the votes are worth on Day 1. All we know is, that the person who got a majority didn't change alignment during the next pause. The Cult Leaders know who's immune as well and will target someone else. But we have no information about the alignment of the votee to start with.
I really hope that we do have some investigative power roles around here!
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2 cults.
Both cannot recruit the same target.
1: Both will be afraid to try and recruit the same target.
2: Cults have some motivation to see who the immunity target will become, and stall their recruitment vote to maybe try and recruit the immunity person (the better long-term plan)
3: Cults have some motivation to be fast in deciding whom to recruit, in case the other cult were to decide on the same person (probably the best outcome for a cult is to be faster on recruiting the same person as the other cult)
4: SURVIVORS have a lot of motivation to actually get immunity on people. Having the cult steal the person that got voted immunity is a terrible outcome.
It will probably be imperative to create a strategy that abuses facts 1-3 to obtain #4
I propose the following:
We run up two individuals to have an equal ammount of votes. One designated person (ME) hammers between the two of them after a random ammount of time has passed.
I CAN ALSO CHOOSE TO NOT HAMMER ONCE THE VOTE IS TIED AT L1, BUT INSTEAD CALL FOR A DIFFERENT WAGON.
A good mix between having some randomness in who gets protection, and forcing the cults to outguess eachother and be in time to recruit, which gives us somewhat ok odds to either have a double recruit on the same person, or the cults to guess wrong, or for us to change the target entirely and actually get immunity pushed though.
CULTS will not know whether I hammer, or call for new wagons.
Fuck the police. Fuck the cults. Create chaos, and let order be born from it.-
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And here I was being sad to be called a negative nancy......In post 227, Varsoon wrote:I'm so bad I got Vecna and Venmar mixed up.
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I too have a cult master read on creatureIn post 275, Almost50 wrote:
Alright, I've had t! If a vig exists shoot both this and creature sometime in the future.In post 193, CheekyTeeky wrote:To clarify - I thought I noticed someone else mention a wincon on the first couple of pages. I am lacking any kind of wincon.
Giving away that you have no wincon = signaling the cult leaders to target you as a recruitable target. I tried to save you from yourself the first time, but you seem eager to be recruited.-
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But that is exactly the only outcome we can achieve that is beneficial for us today, no?In post 286, CheekyTeeky wrote:
Your pink plan neglects that there are 18 other people to recruit from. I don't see why CL's would risk a fail on our two wagons with so many fish in the sea.In post 284, Vecna wrote:You guys can leave your inter-personal drama at the door and marvel at my plan in pink
Either we give immunity to someone, and they have it for the rest of the game - or the cult steals him and we achieved NOTHING d1.
This game is gonna come down to a numbers game late-game. Early game fuckups on immunization will most likely fuck up any chance for the survivors to win.
Cba running the numbers but....im pretty sure anyone can see that actually getting immunity to land without that person being recruited is our main goal for today.
Shenanigans to ensure that are worthwhile.-
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Because my many games playing with creature, gives me the ass-crack-itch feeling that he's trying really hard to apply his well-known "Blurt every random thought that comes to mind out into the thread" to appear like his usual town meta.....but his actual messages dont feel like town-creature but "forced" creature trying to appear like something he is not.
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Good news everyone!
Its Vecna Math time, here to explain you how this game works, and how we, the survivors win.
IVE ADDED PICTURES BELOW. OF NUMBERS. TO MAKE IT EASY FOR YOU
https://imgur.com/a/c80Qh
This table is very straight forward. It shows:Give immunity to one person every night without them being recruited, and we win.Its that simple. If we come up with a strategy to do that, the cult can never outnumber us. The assumption ive made here is that we have 2 recruitment immune people to start with. Given the movie this makes sense? Theres two main characters and two evil professors, so im assuming those two will have guns or w/e to kill the professors.
Obviously, the above picture is the best case scenario for survivors, in that never any of their immune people get stolen. It also assumes the cults NEVER try to recruit a person already in the other cult. It also doesnt account for people dying due to potential vigs (I have no idea if theyre actually in the game, but it would make sense).
HOWEVER - If we make it hard enough for the cult to guess who will become the immune person, the vigs know which people not to shoot, and theyre only going to be shooting in cult members or survivors that are not immune yet.
Even if a cult manages to snag a member that is thought to be immune, it does not matter so much if we stick to this plan. The pool of potential cult masters is being reduced on a daily basis, and all shots should be aimed for cult masters regardless.-
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Some more very rudimentary statistics
https://imgur.com/a/pk1Oa
Most of these numbers are still assuming we make one person immune per day, and the cult doesnt fuck up recruiting people at the start of the game (although it also shows their odds of failing to recruit).
I cba running more scenario's where these things deviate, but the important take away is:
OUR VOTES MATTER A LOT
DOING SHENANIGANS SO CULT CANNOT PREDICT WHO GETS IMMUNITY IS EVEN MORE IMPORTANT
The more people we can get immune, the higher the odds are that our vig(s) will shoot the cult masters
The more people we can get immune, the smaller the pool for possible recruitments, and the higher the possibility that one cult will try to recruit members from the other.
Also, the vig should remain hidden. We have no idea what type of powers the cults can recruit, but if they were to recruit a roleblocker or whatever and the vig gets roleblocked every night, our odds of winning decrease significantly.-
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There will be three factions fighting for dominance.
Disregarding all information about potential powers people might have, survivors probably have the best odds of winning, IF they can create and stick to a proper strategy.
Ofcourse, given that people have no idea if or when they will be recruited, creates an......unusual dynamic-
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The way I see it: Play to a survivor wincondition.
You might get recruited, but even if that happens your cult master might just eat a bullit at any random time, meaning your team cannot grow anymore and youre very likely to not be able to win the game.
Working as a team full of survivors allows us to take matters mostly into our own hands.-
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I think that number is probably just there to punish us if we suck at finding the cult masters Venmar. As in, we dont win by default if we get 7 people immune (and can continue to get more people immune) while failing to murder the cult masters.
After a while the pool of recruitable players for the cult will become so small, so if we can keep immunizing players, they no longer have a way of winning, while theyre still alive and kicking.........which would be a weird type of stalemate to achieve.
Drealmerz probably ran some numbers and decided on a number so that cults have a realistic chance of winning if we do not kill their leader.
My strategy should still work, and is probably still somewhat close to optimal.
I agree with some people that stated doing a double wagon towards L1 is probably too risky.
Running up wagons to L2 and having a few people designated as the "HAMMER-COMMITTEE" that decide whether its time to hammer someone in lightning speed, or run up a new wagon, is probably the way to go.
And yes Chickadee, I dont need to be the lone dictator (or even part of it), but it would be nice to at least have some people do it that understand the theory behind the reasoning as to why we need to do this, and to be able to make the right call at the right moment.-
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Also, whatever that number is, is irrelevant.In post 365, Venmar wrote:
Bolded.In post 1, drealmerz7 wrote:- Players will use their vote to choose who to make immune to recruiting. This can be done x# times in the game, a maximum of once per play/pause cycle- (instead of lynching - there is no lynching) !
Additional quote from singups thread:
Basically means that Vecna's plan will at some point fail since immunizations at literally any point in the game can stop being relevant. For all we know we only have 1 immunization, there's no way to know at the moment.There is a limited # of times players may be voted to immunity, but that # is hidden due to the fact that the information could be used to track. This means that, likely, at a certain point the vote for immunity mechanic will no longer be ieffective but I will not take it out of the game so there is no indication of the pace of effective immunization.
My plan is only designed to maximize the number of imunities that we do have to be maximally beneficial for the survivors, and increase the odds that cults try to recruit members from the other cult.-
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I have some sort of vague information that this may/might/could indeed indicate our time remaining in the play phase might be a lot shorter than we had anticipated.In post 417, drealmerz7 wrote:- A VOICE IS HEARD THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CASTLE -
As we are nearing the end of our "PLAY" phase, I would like to inform all of you that only Virgins may be recruited, the number of you totaling 16 (man you guys need to get laid).
For the leaders of our groupie packs, I would like to inform you that those virgins may be found by searching for those who have a big, red "V" scrawled on their foreheads with lipstick.
Finally, I would like to announce that Creature and Dunkerdoodles have recently been spotted sneaking out of the toolshed out back - hair and clothes all askew Perhaps they should erase the V?
Virgin count: 14
Maybe some sort of haste is a little useful, since if we dont hammer someone before the phase ends, we dont get to have our immunity.
Lets speedvote all for one target, and cycle it around in a quick fashion over the next 24 hours, and then arbitrarily hammer someone.-
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Pretty sure it means theyre confirmed not-virgins, meaning theyre immune to recruitment?In post 422, Cerberus v666 wrote:In post 419, Cerberus v666 wrote:o.o
That. Is an interesting thing.
Did someone use something to make that happen?
Only answer that if your answer will conclusively determine whether or not the two named are cult now, as well as whether or not we can trust that post to be true.-
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They went into the shack together, lovers + non-virgins seems plausibleIn post 427, Cerberus v666 wrote:Indeed. it could also be that they were immunized.
Seems more likely to me that one of the two of them had a power that let them make someone else immune, and would also make themselves immune at the same time, so they used it once they could figure out who they wanted to immunize.
I don't know dunker, so i can't think of why creature would want to immunize them, or why dunker would want to immunize creature. *shrug*-
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My dear lady, that is not at all courteous of thoughIn post 449, Porkens wrote:I'll give a million kisses to whomever murders vecna.-
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Why do you think you know everything that is going on in this game and can predict how itll work out?In post 521, Inferno390 wrote:You do understand that you've basically garunteed your plan not to work, right?
You cannot. Its a chaotic process. This is fine for us survivors.
Its the cult masters that it screws over (if people will cooperate).
Anyways do as u will.
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What have we got to loose?In post 532, Venmar wrote:Isn't Vecna's "plan" or "strategy" literally just rapidly running up random wagon(s) in a game of chicken with the CL's?
My analysis =
DUBIOUS CHANCE OF SUCCESS
at best
Literally the only good outcome for survivors is to get an immunity on a person thats not recruited.
Getting that, maximum outcome of the phase
If u have a better plan, let us know.
If not, why not go for the best plan to get the best possible outcome?
All im hearing is people going "VECNA SO SUSPICIOUS"-
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Yes, im sure the cult is going to wait very long with recruiting while they have no idea when the play phase will end after that last mod messageIn post 555, Inferno390 wrote:
I don't think I know everything. But by stating this plan, cult is going to wait until you actually show the immunize target. You've basically led town straight into horrible case of WIFOM.In post 523, Vecna wrote:
Why do you think you know everything that is going on in this game and can predict how itll work out?In post 521, Inferno390 wrote:You do understand that you've basically garunteed your plan not to work, right?
You cannot. Its a chaotic process. This is fine for us survivors.
Its the cult masters that it screws over (if people will cooperate).
Anyways do as u will.
Ill have my entertainment regardless
I am aware of how voting works. There's just been so much going on day 1, I'm very unsure of how to best use my vote.In post 528, Gamma Emerald wrote:Inferno I thought you were aware of how voting worked and that's why you were confused?
Why does this make me CL? Have you seen the thread for this game? Are you somehow suprised that I'm confused by all of this?In post 529, Venmar wrote:
I swear you're a CLIn post 493, Inferno390 wrote:I have no idea how to cash my vote in guys, I'm just too confused by hat's going on. Any suggestions?-
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we cant, but it doesnt matter a whole lot.
we find and kill the cult leaders or we try and land as many immunities as wel can to form a bigger immune group than they can recruit.
thats all we can influence as the collective without a massclaim.
itll be upto the individuals with god knows what powers to do funky shit besides that. they can make assumptions aboit whether stuff went through or not.
mqybe later it can be backes up by reads/investigatibes or whatnot. for now, we just gotta try our best to land it.-
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its best not to try and extrapolate such things in a drealmerz setup. he likes to fuck with people by making role pms very random in the amount of info they provideIn post 578, Venmar wrote:
suspicious of this sentiment since based on my role I KNOW FOR SURE if I am one or the other since it says my recruit statusIn post 538, Gamma Emerald wrote:Thing is none of us *know* we're immune, besides Creature and Dunker thanks to flavor-
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Yes gamma does give me CL pings. The way he was trying to pocket me on play1, and interacting with me, makes me believe he mightve tried to recruit me (hence his being pissed off, since it probably failed).In post 871, Almost50 wrote:The other CL "might" be Gamma, or it still could be Varsoon, or maybe it's something I've overlooked. THAT was why I wanted to wait before I exposed Jay.-
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I can check if this is a truth or a lie btw.In post 886, JaydragonKing wrote:Because it holds priority and, if successful, makes the people I target immobilized and unable to do their action REGARDLESS of the order of the action sent.-
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Regardless, Jay's claim seems pretty solid and unfakeable (unless cult leaders have other abilities, but that seems unlikely?).
Cerberus' claim is a bit harder to confirm in this type of setup, allthough I kinda feel like I trust his claim.
My suspicion remains mostly on the creature / lifrasyl / Gamma slots for cult leaders-
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Creature has the scum meta to be heavily trying to fake his town meta. And he's pretty good at it too. This freezing statement is one I do not recognize as his scumplay at all.In post 958, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Why Creature and Lift? Creature is normally frozen as wolf so unless you wish to say he is either frozen or is breaking his scum meta I have to disagreeIn post 943, Vecna wrote:Regardless, Jay's claim seems pretty solid and unfakeable (unless cult leaders have other abilities, but that seems unlikely?).
Cerberus' claim is a bit harder to confirm in this type of setup, allthough I kinda feel like I trust his claim.
My suspicion remains mostly on the creature / lifrasyl / Gamma slots for cult leaders
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Its a PRIn post 1104, Cerberus v666 wrote:Oh hey, look, we just wasted an immunization, assuming that announcement is accurate...and this time the day ended just a few hours later..and last time things went on for like 2 days. So, absolutely no idea what triggers the end of the day.-
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Funny how quickly golden dropped the nsfw thing after getting called out on all fronts
I still think Gamma is a CL.
Reasons:
-He was pissed after EOP1 - Later we learn (or do we?) that only 1 recruit went through. Coincidence? Maybe
-He was buddying up to me all throughout play1. After getting called a potential CL for it, his tone suddenly shifts 180, and he gets snappy with me over anything I say.
-We thought before he was softing he made creature and dunker cuddle up, but this mightve just been a fake announcement. Gamma was happy thinking he softed that though and didnt correct any of it.
Thats pretty much all I got. Cerberus' claim also doesnt really seem very in line with all other roles that are out there, but I couldnt really care less about getting into that.-
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You should probably be shooting for the cult masters though, and unless you believe that cult masters also have the ability to mess with time, I can pretty much prove that aint me.
(no idea why I aint dead - I didnt get to attempt to use my ability last phase, theres someone out there with a similair but more potent version apparently)-
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If whoever caused the phaseshift to happen last play is still a survivor you should probably get in contact, so I can attempt vote vs cult recruitment shenanigans and at least try to get a good outcome........but otherwise theres just no point in trying to slow this down and risk a repeat of yesterday.-
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We -could- wait untill 78 hours have passed in the phase, so I can force a pause shift at any moment.
That way is we do our hammer after that period, we can either get an immunize through, or cult risk me just cutting through the next phase without them getting a recruitment.
Im guessing that is pretty much the only use I have for my role as a survivor. Ofcourse, this idea is mostly garbage, since there was another role forcing a phaseshift, way before my ability became even active.
(I have not used my role a single time yet).-
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