Product Placement Mafia (Game over!)

northsidegal · Post Post #224 (isolation #0) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 3:34 am

what no day start pm

@mod i'm v/la through sunday

northsidegal · Post Post #225 (isolation #1) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 3:35 am

can't read now, will try to later

northsidegal · Post Post #230 (isolation #2) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:35 am

reading through, page 5, cheeky is town

northsidegal · Post Post #231 (isolation #3) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:37 am

In post 124, CheekyTeeky wrote:Would 4 scum be the right number for this game?

Tbone thank you for completing our review, you have won a life-time supply of CheekyTeeky for your trouble.

aw, i didn't win, and after i sent in my entire collection of box tops

northsidegal · Post Post #232 (isolation #4) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:41 am

brass dealt with the cheeky wagon in kind of an awkward way, something to come back to i think

northsidegal · Post Post #233 (isolation #5) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:42 am

In post 172, Brian Skies wrote:UNVOTE: Cheeky

NSG is on V/LA.

@Fire: Is there a particular reason you could go for Gammagooey?

why'd you unvote?

is there any correlation between those first two lines there?

northsidegal · Post Post #234 (isolation #6) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:43 am

In post 180, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 178, CheekyTeeky wrote:Wut? How does calling you out make me scum?
I asked a legitimate question ("why care so much") given that your reaction to a few (naked) votes on you was worse than the majority of newbies in my queue, and was not shading you. Your hyperbolic response ("why are you shading
so
much") comes across to me as someone who has a reason to feel defensive because even if you thought my question was intended to shade you, it was not even close to strongly doing so.

as much as i dislike this post it feels like town penguin

northsidegal · Post Post #235 (isolation #7) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:48 am

People i'd vote (in no particular order):

Gamma
hyung
Firebringer
brassherald
Brian Skies

VOTE: brian skies

northsidegal · Post Post #236 (isolation #8) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:49 am

by the way, if hyung is marquis then nice job in team mafia, never would have expected you over the other scumteam members especially after ces flipped

northsidegal · Post Post #237 (isolation #9) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:50 am

i feel like this game will be refreshing

northsidegal · Post Post #240 (isolation #10) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:08 am

really, you don't ask about hyung or yourself?

northsidegal · Post Post #241 (isolation #11) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:08 am

wow i should start waiting like 5 seconds before clicking submit so i stop doing this multiposting thing

anyways, they're early reads and i think explaining what i'm seeing / what i'll be looking for doesn't make sense. so, for now i probably won't.

northsidegal · Post Post #294 (isolation #12) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:54 am

Mutant is being deliberately weird I'm pretty sure, not sure why

northsidegal · Post Post #320 (isolation #13) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:30 pm

In post 302, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 294, northsidegal wrote:Mutant is being deliberately weird I'm pretty sure, not sure why
How can you tell it's deliberate? Are you implying he's likely town acting weird?

i'm not sure if he's town acting weird, but i'm pretty sure he's acting weird intentionally – this isn't him playing a natural scumgame trying to look town, which i've seen before.

In post 303, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 293, mutantdevle wrote:^^ roughly 9 of those are real, the rest are random.
Why are NSG, xRECKONERx and Vaxkiller town?

are you not townreading me, or did you just want his explanation?

In post 306, mutantdevle wrote:
In post 303, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 293, mutantdevle wrote:^^ roughly 9 of those are real, the rest are random.
Why are NSG, xRECKONERx and Vaxkiller town?

In post 305, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 293, mutantdevle wrote:^^ roughly 9 of those are real, the rest are random.
So, which ones aren't random?
I will truthfully and honestly claim my exact role: that includes flavour, function, any PTs, any scum buddies, if anyone can correctly identify which of those 9 players are legit reads.

my initial guess was that everything in orange aren't the legit reads and of the ones left it's truthful based on color and not based on text. that'd be 10 players not counting you, though.

northsidegal · Post Post #327 (isolation #14) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:02 pm

Meh, Brian Skies can wait.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Anyone feel like following me here?

northsidegal · Post Post #328 (isolation #15) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:03 pm

@T-Bone – why are you like only talking about or to Cheeky?

northsidegal · Post Post #332 (isolation #16) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:14 pm

In post 330, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 327, northsidegal wrote:Meh, Brian Skies can wait.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Anyone feel like following me here?
Nah I think gamma is town. What are you seeing?

i mean, i'm not seeing him as town at all – i don't think there's anything there to townread. for one, he's kind of avoided this game in favor of others (ellitell). for two, most of his contributions seem like total

non-

contributions. i would quote examples, but i think you can just look at like the last 10 posts of his ISO. if you want me to go more in-depth i will.

what are you

townreading

there?

northsidegal · Post Post #333 (isolation #17) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:15 pm

In post 331, T-Bone wrote:
northsidegal wrote:@T-Bone – why are you like only talking about or to Cheeky?
Yeah but I'm voting for you <3

What would you like to talk about?

well, i didn't ask just because i wanted to talk about something, i asked to know why you didn't seem to be talking about anything or anyone else. but while we're here and while you mention it, let's talk about that vote. why are you voting me / still voting me?

northsidegal · Post Post #336 (isolation #18) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:27 pm

eh, i'm bored and gamma's iso is short, going to do a mathdino-style full iso "lolcase"

Spoiler:

In post 6, Gamma Emerald wrote:this seems like it will be fun

In post 20, Gamma Emerald wrote:Pine that is sufficiently foul

In post 25, Gamma Emerald wrote:bruh I'm tryna see what's in ur otha tabs and I ain't seein' shit

nothing game related

In post 28, Gamma Emerald wrote:btw I'm curious what happens if the market leader person whatever dies, does the ability to post votecounts transfer or is it lost

@Untrod Tripod what happens to the market-chosen power if the holder of it dies?

In post 32, Gamma Emerald wrote:oh I see it now

votecount mechanics question and realization from not reading the rules, totally NAI.

In post 39, Gamma Emerald wrote:wait how has T-Bone indicated anything about his role

NAI, not followed up on when told to "shush" basically (which i feel like town gamma would probably question this thing more? i have something specific in mind but can't talk about it)

In post 48, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 47, PenguinPower wrote:How do we all feel about Crystal Pepsi?
never tried it

still nothing game related

In post 52, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 49, Vaxkiller wrote:I mean cola is gross to begin with, but Pepsi is the bottom of the cola barrel.

Crystal Pepsi?

Id rather eat a Necco Wafer
bruh necco wafers are actually pretty good
I used to dislike em but then I realized sweet hearts were the same thing and I liked those so
Also I think I've got some info on how to read penguin if you would like some vaxx

Mentions info on how to read penguin and asks if vax would like to hear it instead of just coming out and saying it. I don't think that's a scumtell in its own right but i don't see why gamma wouldn't just come out and say it or actually just use it to form a read on penguin and mention the tell.

In post 56, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 54, Vaxkiller wrote:Not sure I really want friends who like pepsi and necco wafers.

Lay it on my gamma.
I seem to have lost the last mention of what I was intending to refer to as my major source but I can track it down the pipeline as it came from another game still

Don't believe this was followed up on

In post 127, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 70, PenguinPower wrote:Sprite is a Coke product. So, it doesn't matter if you're illiterate.

Your opinion is invalid.
I like Canada Dry, what now

In post 130, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 75, Vaxkiller wrote:Mr Pibb flunked out of Med school, here are all his former classmates.

you're missing Dr. Chek

nothing

maybe this could be read as gamma trying to imitate his catchup-style but just not having anything game-related to say so sticking with the beverage talk? probably not a sound conclusion but this is a lolcase so -shrug-

In post 131, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 96, Brian Skies wrote:Let's overthrow the market and instill me as the new Votecount Overlord.

VOTE: Vecna
Good idea: kill the monarchy and instate a democracy
VOTE: Vecna

In post 132, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 113, T-Bone wrote:Well, you DID just bitch me out for something Gamma did, said I failed, and did the ol' hilarious "FOS" thing.

So seriously. You tell me.
yeah real talk Cheeky is my first scum read for the FoS thing, comes off as too focused on getting out reads
VOTE: CheekyTeeky

don't really like these votes

yeah i don't really feel like continuing this but you get the gist, not really seeing any sorting or effort at sorting there

northsidegal · Post Post #339 (isolation #19) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:33 pm

In post 334, T-Bone wrote:So...you didn't want to talk to me...while criticizing me for only talking to Cheeky. Why is the burden on me to open a dialogue with people? Be the change you want to see.

what? there's no "burden" on you to open a dialogue – what i'm saying is that i find it notable that you seemed to only be focusing on one person. this isn't some kind of debate – it was me noting something that might've been a scumtell.

1 As for WHY I am talking to her...it is because I am trying to determine her alignment, and I feel out of all the players so far, she has produced the most 'game relevant' content, and is as good a player to start with as any. 2 Do you feel anyone else has produced more than a post's worth of game relevant content? Because I don't. I feel most players are just floating along, or throwing stuff at a wall to see if anything sticks.

1 Well, my main question wasn't why you're talking to her – it was why you're talking to

only

her.

2 Yes, i do disagree, hence my votes. If you feel that way, why not try to pressure those people to produce game relevant content as opposed to just focusing on the one person? Strictly mathematically speaking any one given person in this game is more likely to be town than scum, so, politely, focusing all of your efforts on just sorting a single person doesn't seem like a prudent strategy to me.

I voted for you because I quoted a post of hers where she said essentially she didn't like votes without an explanation...to which I then voted you without explanation. I picked you randomly (and in fact, you hadn't even checked in). As for why I haven't moved the vote...it isn't harming anyone. Unless you feel pressured by it? In which case I guess it is pulling some unintended utility.

if it isn't harming anyone, then it can't be harming scum, can it?

is this your normal philosophy when it comes to voting? just checking.

northsidegal · Post Post #340 (isolation #20) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:34 pm

In post 337, T-Bone wrote:You've effectively made my point, by the way. Thank you.

what point?

In post 338, Vaxkiller wrote:Mutante. Your town reads have legit people they are voting for, but your voting for no one? You also have your own scum reads... and voting for no one? I mean wtf?

VOTE: Mutante

I think you guys are ignoring mutante because its too obvious.

i think town loses a lot by lynching the townies who do outrageous things and ignoring the silently scummy players. i'm not sure if mutant can be classified as "townie" in that first part, but he's certainly "doing outrageous things". i prefer to focus on the second group.

northsidegal · Post Post #342 (isolation #21) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:38 pm

In post 341, Vaxkiller wrote:It's not outrageous. It's nonsensical. I mean why post it? It comes off awkward an weird.

do you think the answer to "why post it?" is "he's scum"?

northsidegal · Post Post #343 (isolation #22) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:39 pm

how many people here have played with mutant before? want to check, have kind of a weird theory. let me know if you have, please.

northsidegal · Post Post #346 (isolation #23) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:44 pm

In post 344, Vaxkiller wrote:Yes! But not as direct as you are making it seem. I think he wants to be seen as doing something.

i mean, i think if mutant were scum who wanted to be townread for doing things then he could just do that by playing a normal scumgame, which he's done before.

i don't know – i'm not going to go into a hard defense here but i think there's almost certainly something deeper going on than "mutant is scum who's deliberately acting weird", and i don't think it'd be very useful for me to vote there right now.

northsidegal · Post Post #348 (isolation #24) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:47 pm

In post 347, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 346, northsidegal wrote:"mutant is scum who's deliberately acting weird"
That's an odd way to put it.

elaborate?

northsidegal · Post Post #350 (isolation #25) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:48 pm

you think this is him attempting to play a regular scumgame (ie get townread by everyone)?

northsidegal · Post Post #351 (isolation #26) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:49 pm

and i never specified acting weird to

get scumread

, just deliberately acting weird for one reason or the other.

northsidegal · Post Post #356 (isolation #27) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:54 pm

In post 353, Vaxkiller wrote:Why would you think that I think: he is scum deliberately acting weird?

I don't believe i ever insinuated this but i could see how it might be implicit in my question in 350. so i guess to just say the conclusion that i was going to say after you confirmed your answer, it's that i just feel like it's obvious that he's doing things deliberately. like, i've seen his scumgame before and it's

not

as overtly, in-your-face strange as he's been here.

also, he literally said that he's deliberately acting weird.

In post 297, mutantdevle wrote:
In post 294, northsidegal wrote:Mutant is being deliberately weird I'm pretty sure, not sure why
I feel like it.

northsidegal · Post Post #362 (isolation #28) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:03 pm

ugh, i can feel myself getting sucked into having a debate instead of playing mafia.

In post 352, T-Bone wrote:I know I'm deleting a lot of the post, but yes you make my point that not a lot of game relevant content has happened...but pointing it all out in your lolcase on Gamma.

i made the point that one player specifically has lots of non-game related content and simultaneously mentioned how that itself is game relevant in terms of being scum-indicative. so, i guess me making the point that one person doesn't have a lot of content doesn't prove any sort of rule that everyone or even most people have no AI content, and i certainly don't think it functions as any sort of explanation for not focusing on anyone except one player.

Yes, I do appreciate that you are throwing stuff at a wall and seeing if it sticks. That is totally fine and I wouldn't usually criticize something like that at this stage of the game. I don't get why you don't appreciate that I would want to spend time on something I feel is productive instead (which is sorting a player who has a lot of serious content)?

I'm not "throwing stuff at a wall and seeing if it sticks". I have a scumread on Gamma. If you consider it to be somehow lesser or somehow less valid than any other scumread then i'd be interested to hear why.

By the standard you are trying to impose, would it be fair to point out that my attempt to sort Cheeky is productive for the town (specifically for me)...but your 'lolcase' on Gamma is complete nonsense...by virtue of you handwaving everything you say with "but this is an lolcase"? I think it would be very fair for me to say that I'm doing something productive, and you aren't in these examples.

If you think it is scummy, so be it. But when you say "it is not a debate, I'm just noting a scumtell". Seems like you're inviting a debate to me, and one I am happy to have. Especially if you want to question something you find scummy...while
simultaneously doing something scummy
AND pointless.

What "standard" am i trying to "impose"? (emphasis on the scarequotes there)

for one, i don't think i handwaved much more than the kind of crazy theories i came up with in that (like gamma trying to imitate his catchup style by talking about the drinks thing). it was meant to serve as a demonstration of where my read on Gamma was coming from given that other people seemed to disagree on what i was seeing there. in that respect i don't think anything there couldn't be called "productive".

i never even called what you were doing out as a scumtell in the first place, it was just something that i noticed and i felt it a good way to segway into a conversation.

finally, just for clarification – what are you saying is scummy that i've done? the lolcase? (bolded)

northsidegal · Post Post #363 (isolation #29) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:03 pm

In post 357, Firebringer wrote:I don’t really have read on mutant and think talking about him isn’t useful for progressing game.

But then again I don’t really have anything useful to talk about either.
No scumreads.

Anyone selling scumread rn?

Gamma

northsidegal · Post Post #366 (isolation #30) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:05 pm

@tbone – I'd like to clarify that throughout none of this have i had even a mild scumread on you – i still would most likely not vote you over other people, and if you've interpreted anything that i've said to you as some sort of attack or scumread then you've misinterpreted there.

northsidegal · Post Post #367 (isolation #31) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:06 pm

In post 365, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 356, northsidegal wrote:
In post 353, Vaxkiller wrote:Why would you think that I think: he is scum deliberately acting weird?
I don't believe i ever insinuated this

In post 346, northsidegal wrote:"mutant is scum who's deliberately acting weird"
I mean you wrote it.

Still play dota... have other points.

okay, let's call it a misunderstanding then.

northsidegal · Post Post #370 (isolation #32) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:08 pm

In post 352, T-Bone wrote:Especially if you want to question something you find scummy...while simultaneously doing something scummy AND pointless.

Is this sentence not saying that i'm doing something scummy? If not then i don't understand what it means.

northsidegal · Post Post #373 (isolation #33) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:24 pm

i don't think it's a scum reaction? doesn't seem to have any sense of self-preservation behind it.

northsidegal · Post Post #393 (isolation #34) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:10 pm

In post 381, CheekyTeeky wrote:Why does NSG/Tbone feel like scum theatre?

why aren't you townreading me yet, cheeky?

northsidegal · Post Post #397 (isolation #35) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:18 pm

In post 394, CheekyTeeky wrote:FB you're doing better than me. I TR gamma and brian as my only reads so far. Where is everybody else?

Pedit NSG I think we both know why lol

hm, nothing comes to mind and i don't think it could be an ongoing game thing?

In post 395, Firebringer wrote:Hey NSG you want my invention?

probably not, might just increase my chances of getting shot n1.

northsidegal · Post Post #398 (isolation #36) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:19 pm

btw, you didn't respond to me about gamma, cheeky.

northsidegal · Post Post #399 (isolation #37) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:19 pm

In post 396, Firebringer wrote:Brass for example was scummy to me but I think I was only scumreading him for his weird ass avatar.

relatable

northsidegal · Post Post #401 (isolation #38) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:22 pm

like cheeky i feel like this is the towniest i've played in any game for a while now so i'm just curious as to where you're coming from.

northsidegal · Post Post #408 (isolation #39) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:27 pm

oh, yeah.

alright, i can understand that now.

northsidegal · Post Post #467 (isolation #40) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:26 pm

In post 466, CheekyTeeky wrote:VOTE: Vaxkiller

explain? i thought his whole thought process with regards to mutant was towny, didn't ping me as seeming like scum pushing for a mislynch.

northsidegal · Post Post #551 (isolation #41) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:45 pm

hi, gamma is scum

northsidegal · Post Post #554 (isolation #42) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:18 pm

In post 553, CheekyTeeky wrote:Sweet, I think Pine and Penguin are too.

explain penguin? pretty sure i said this earlier, but even though i disagree with what he was saying earlier in the game about you, i feel like it came more from town penguin than scum penguin.

though, i don't like him kind of dodging catching up. not sure if he's the type to dodge the thread as scum, so i guess some meta is in order.

northsidegal · Post Post #555 (isolation #43) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:19 pm

by the way,

@mod, i'll be v/la until about the 21st

northsidegal · Post Post #650 (isolation #44) » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:29 pm

don't go

northsidegal · Post Post #774 (isolation #45) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:43 pm

northsidegal · Post Post #776 (isolation #46) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:44 pm

@mod and players i'm on v/la through the 21st

northsidegal · Post Post #779 (isolation #47) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:45 pm

In post 772, Gamma Emerald wrote:You know what the grace period is motherfucking over
VOTE: northsidegal
her scumread on me is absolute dogshit and she hasn't addressed my criticism of it at all ever

what about firebringer's scumread on you?

northsidegal · Post Post #780 (isolation #48) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:45 pm

In post 778, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 774, northsidegal wrote:lol
motherfickin beetlejuice eh mate

LOL

northsidegal · Post Post #783 (isolation #49) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:47 pm

In post 780, northsidegal wrote:
In post 778, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 774, northsidegal wrote:lol
motherfickin beetlejuice eh mate
LOL

like, is this a real point you believe?

In post 782, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 779, northsidegal wrote:
In post 772, Gamma Emerald wrote:You know what the grace period is motherfucking over
VOTE: northsidegal
her scumread on me is absolute dogshit and she hasn't addressed my criticism of it at all ever
what about firebringer's scumread on you?
probably just bad town
keep deflecting, it really helps

why is his scumread on you "bad town" while my scumread on you is scum?

northsidegal · Post Post #787 (isolation #50) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:59 pm

formatting's messed up, whatever

In post 421, Gamma Emerald wrote: Serious response to nsg's lolcase because I feel like there's worthwhile things to comment on
In post 336, northsidegal wrote:votecount mechanics question and realization from not reading the rules, totally NAI.
Honestly that should be more town indicative, like don't you think as scum that would've been discussed in PT?

Not in the slightest. Nor do I believe that, even if you had discussed it in the PT, you wouldn't still ask the question in thread given that you believe it's town indicative.

In post 39, Gamma Emerald wrote:wait how has T-Bone indicated anything about his role
NAI, not followed up on when told to "shush" basically (which i feel like town gamma would probably question this thing more? i have something specific in mind but can't talk about it)
wait where was I shushed? I don't even remember seeing that

Thanks for asking me this question instead of saying anything else in response when you could literally just go back and read the thread to see what i'm talking about

In post 52, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 49, Vaxkiller wrote:I mean cola is gross to begin with, but Pepsi is the bottom of the cola barrel.

Crystal Pepsi?

Id rather eat a Necco Wafer
bruh necco wafers are actually pretty good
I used to dislike em but then I realized sweet hearts were the same thing and I liked those so
Also I think I've got some info on how to read penguin if you would like some vaxx
Mentions info on how to read penguin and asks if vax would like to hear it instead of just coming out and saying it. I don't think that's a scumtell in its own right but i don't see why gamma wouldn't just come out and say it or actually just use it to form a read on penguin and mention the tell.
I didn't want to expend effort ISO digging if I didn't have to

Okay? That's literally scum-indicative. L i t e r a l l y. Like, you saying that "you don't have to" here indicates to me that you didn't feel a need to go find that tell you had on how to read penguin.

Why would you not "have" to read penguin? Because you'd already know his alignment.

In post 56, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 54, Vaxkiller wrote:Not sure I really want friends who like pepsi and necco wafers.

Lay it on my gamma.
I seem to have lost the last mention of what I was intending to refer to as my major source but I can track it down the pipeline as it came from another game still
Don't believe this was followed up onx

because vaxx didn't seem to respond, if he did pls point it out, also you sussing me on not following through is really fucking ehhhhhhhhh

what do you mean "he didn't seem to respond"? he's literally quoted

right there

saying "lay it on me gamma". did you expect some kind of follow up confirmation that he still cares?

how is calling you out for dropping a point "ehh"? that's something i see pointed out for someone in almost every game i read or play in on site. is it supposed to be scum indicative in any way? if so, how?

In post 127, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 70, PenguinPower wrote:Sprite is a Coke product. So, it doesn't matter if you're illiterate.

Your opinion is invalid.
I like Canada Dry, what now

In post 130, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 75, Vaxkiller wrote:Mr Pibb flunked out of Med school, here are all his former classmates.

you're missing Dr. Chek
nothing

maybe this could be read as gamma trying to imitate his catchup-style but just not having anything game-related to say so sticking with the beverage talk? probably not a sound conclusion but this is a lolcase so -shrug-

if I was trying to imitate my catch-up style I would have likely stated it regardless of alignment

okay?????

also lol classic "regardless of alignment" scumtell but not actually pushing that

In post 131, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 96, Brian Skies wrote:Let's overthrow the market and instill me as the new Votecount Overlord.

VOTE: Vecna
Good idea: kill the monarchy and instate a democracy
VOTE: Vecna

In post 132, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 113, T-Bone wrote:Well, you DID just bitch me out for something Gamma did, said I failed, and did the ol' hilarious "FOS" thing.

So seriously. You tell me.
yeah real talk Cheeky is my first scum read for the FoS thing, comes off as too focused on getting out reads
VOTE: CheekyTeeky
don't really like these votes

first vote was semi-serious, I was like "Vecna could be scum and could abuse the voting rules" so I felt like voting him first out of that logic, the next vote was explained already so idk why you're picking at it

i never said that they weren't explained, i said that i didn't like them.the first one is basically an RVS vote when the game had already moved out of RVS. i know you do your catchup chronological thing but i don't see why you felt the need to do an RVS post when you

knew

you would have posts to catch up on and so there wouldn't likely be a need for an RVS vote. cheeky vote is just bad.

northsidegal · Post Post #788 (isolation #51) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:00 pm

In post 785, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 783, northsidegal wrote:why is his scumread on you "bad town" while my scumread on you is scum?
I think he's just expecting me to play a certain way and though he's wrong I feel like it's very possible I'm not matching up to his expectations
but your lolcase has a lot of bad reasoning imo, though you neglected to ever acknowledge my response

lol

northsidegal · Post Post #789 (isolation #52) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:02 pm

In post 431, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 336, northsidegal wrote:
<snip>
Why does your lolcase stop just as Gamma starts voting and playing the game?

i fundamentally disagree that the posts after where i stopped and before my case could be considered "playing the game".

In post 784, Brian Skies wrote:Also, you respond to this but ignore the game while Cheeky gets wagoned for who knows how long?

i'm literally on v/la. my activity is meaningless.

northsidegal · Post Post #790 (isolation #53) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:03 pm

And what is that second quote even supposed to mean? Like, i spent almost all of my time the last time i actually sat down with this thread just engaging t-bone on why he was only talking about cheeky there when i think she's pretty likely to be town.

northsidegal · Post Post #794 (isolation #54) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:09 pm

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northsidegal · Post Post #795 (isolation #55) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:10 pm

CheekyTeeky(4)

~ PenguinPower(61), hyung(29), Vaxkiller(41), mutantdevle(56)

northsidegal(2)

~ Brian Skies(37), Gamma Emerald(71)

hyung(2)

~ T-Bone(41), CheekyTeeky(135)

Gamma Emerald(2)

~ northsidegal(55), Firebringer(114)

Gammagooey(1)

~ brassherald(23)

Firebringer(1)

~ xRECKONERx(45)

ArcAngel9(1)

~ Gammagooey(14)

Not Voting (4): Pine(42), ArcAngel9(4), Vecna(7), hiplop(8)

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

northsidegal · Post Post #799 (isolation #56) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:13 pm

It's not that it "doesn't fit my narrative". I'm literally telling you that I think most of those quotes there are not actually playing the game, and the ones that

could

be called game-related don't really show any town thought process for me.

northsidegal · Post Post #800 (isolation #57) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:14 pm

In post 797, Firebringer wrote:Brian Skiies town

agreeing i think, kind of want to wait for more though

northsidegal · Post Post #802 (isolation #58) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:17 pm

In post 796, Brian Skies wrote:There wasn't really anything between you and T-Bone that made me lean either way on you, and if you think Cheeky is town, why are you so determined to respond to Gamma's vote on you but completey content with seeing your 'townread' get wagoned and maybe lynched?

I don't like you framing this in a "i'm so determined to respond to gamma's vote on me" way (and when i say "i don't like" here, i don't mean in a "it makes me think you're scum" way, i mean it in a "i don't think it's fair for the discussion we're having" way). first of all, i literally

hadn't

responded to gamma's case before this. so, to call me "determined to respond to it" doesn't seem accurate. i'm responding to it because i scumread gamma and he started voting me, and hopefully i can demonstrate to everyone else how what he's saying is nonsense.

i'm not "content" with cheeky getting lynched at all. i don't have a strong enough townread on her that i'd claim an inno or something to prevent her lynch, but i'd definitely try to convince people to go elsewhere, and that's something i've undoubtably done before? like, i'm fairly confident that me doing that is in my ISO.

northsidegal · Post Post #803 (isolation #59) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:18 pm

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northsidegal · Post Post #810 (isolation #60) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:30 pm

@gamma, better?

Spoiler:

In post 421, Gamma Emerald wrote: Serious response to nsg's lolcase because I feel like there's worthwhile things to comment on
In post 336, northsidegal wrote:votecount mechanics question and realization from not reading the rules, totally NAI.
Honestly that should be more town indicative, like don't you think as scum that would've been discussed in PT?

Not in the slightest. Nor do I believe that, even if you had discussed it in the PT, you wouldn't still ask the question in thread given that you believe it's town indicative.

In post 39, Gamma Emerald wrote:wait how has T-Bone indicated anything about his role
NAI, not followed up on when told to "shush" basically (which i feel like town gamma would probably question this thing more? i have something specific in mind but can't talk about it)
wait where was I shushed? I don't even remember seeing that

Thanks for asking me this question instead of saying anything else in response when you could literally just go back and read the thread to see what i'm talking about

In post 52, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 49, Vaxkiller wrote:I mean cola is gross to begin with, but Pepsi is the bottom of the cola barrel.

Crystal Pepsi?

Id rather eat a Necco Wafer
bruh necco wafers are actually pretty good
I used to dislike em but then I realized sweet hearts were the same thing and I liked those so
Also I think I've got some info on how to read penguin if you would like some vaxx
Mentions info on how to read penguin and asks if vax would like to hear it instead of just coming out and saying it. I don't think that's a scumtell in its own right but i don't see why gamma wouldn't just come out and say it or actually just use it to form a read on penguin and mention the tell.
I didn't want to expend effort ISO digging if I didn't have to

Okay? That's literally scum-indicative. L i t e r a l l y. Like, you saying that "you don't have to" here indicates to me that you didn't feel a need to go find that tell you had on how to read penguin.

Why would you not "have" to read penguin? Because you'd already know his alignment.

In post 56, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 54, Vaxkiller wrote:Not sure I really want friends who like pepsi and necco wafers.

Lay it on my gamma.
I seem to have lost the last mention of what I was intending to refer to as my major source but I can track it down the pipeline as it came from another game still
Don't believe this was followed up onx
because vaxx didn't seem to respond, if he did pls point it out, also you sussing me on not following through is really fucking ehhhhhhhhh

what do you mean "he didn't seem to respond"? he's literally quoted

right there

saying "lay it on me gamma". did you expect some kind of follow up confirmation that he still cares?

how is calling you out for dropping a point "ehh"? that's something i see pointed out for someone in almost every game i read or play in on site. is it supposed to be scum indicative in any way? if so, how?

In post 127, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 70, PenguinPower wrote:Sprite is a Coke product. So, it doesn't matter if you're illiterate.

Your opinion is invalid.
I like Canada Dry, what now

In post 130, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 75, Vaxkiller wrote:Mr Pibb flunked out of Med school, here are all his former classmates.

you're missing Dr. Chek
nothing

maybe this could be read as gamma trying to imitate his catchup-style but just not having anything game-related to say so sticking with the beverage talk? probably not a sound conclusion but this is a lolcase so -shrug-
if I was trying to imitate my catch-up style I would have likely stated it regardless of alignment

okay?????

also lol classic "regardless of alignment" scumtell but not actually pushing that

In post 131, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 96, Brian Skies wrote:Let's overthrow the market and instill me as the new Votecount Overlord.

VOTE: Vecna
Good idea: kill the monarchy and instate a democracy
VOTE: Vecna

In post 132, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 113, T-Bone wrote:Well, you DID just bitch me out for something Gamma did, said I failed, and did the ol' hilarious "FOS" thing.

So seriously. You tell me.
yeah real talk Cheeky is my first scum read for the FoS thing, comes off as too focused on getting out reads
VOTE: CheekyTeeky
don't really like these votes
first vote was semi-serious, I was like "Vecna could be scum and could abuse the voting rules" so I felt like voting him first out of that logic, the next vote was explained already so idk why you're picking at it

i never said that they weren't explained, i said that i didn't like them.the first one is basically an RVS vote when the game had already moved out of RVS. i know you do your catchup chronological thing but i don't see why you felt the need to do an RVS post when you

knew

you would have posts to catch up on and so there wouldn't likely be a need for an RVS vote. cheeky vote is just bad.

northsidegal · Post Post #812 (isolation #61) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:31 pm

In post 808, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 802, northsidegal wrote:
In post 796, Brian Skies wrote:There wasn't really anything between you and T-Bone that made me lean either way on you, and if you think Cheeky is town, why are you so determined to respond to Gamma's vote on you but completey content with seeing your 'townread' get wagoned and maybe lynched?
I don't like you framing this in a "i'm so determined to respond to gamma's vote on me" way (and when i say "i don't like" here, i don't mean in a "it makes me think you're scum" way, i mean it in a "i don't think it's fair for the discussion we're having" way). first of all, i literally
hadn't
responded to gamma's case before this. so, to call me "determined to respond to it" doesn't seem accurate. i'm responding to it because i scumread gamma and he started voting me, and hopefully i can demonstrate to everyone else how what he's saying is nonsense.

i'm not "content" with cheeky getting lynched at all. i don't have a strong enough townread on her that i'd claim an inno or something to prevent her lynch, but i'd definitely try to convince people to go elsewhere, and that's something i've undoubtably done before? like, i'm fairly confident that me doing that is in my ISO.
Fair.

By 'determined to respond to it,' I was mostly meaning you were determined to address the push on you, not necessarily his response to your case.

I personally feel like Gamma made a change in his play starting at 132, but I guess I can see it being rather weak or unsubstantial.

I sadly don't remember most of what I've read since I'm been filing most things this game as nonsense (and because a lot of the attention I've been hoping to devote to this game is being siphoned elsewhere). I don't remember if you've defended Cheeky or not, but I'm acknowledging that I probably need to sit down and reassess things.

i mean i think his push on me is part of the reason why he's scum so that's why i'm repsonding to it

would you like me to go through the posts following 132 and before my case and describe my thoughts on each one individually?

northsidegal · Post Post #817 (isolation #62) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:34 pm

In post 809, Gamma Emerald wrote:btw on further thought there have been situations where I would emulate my catch-up style without announcing it but I feel like given current developments in my meta analysis I would likely try to announce it
I'm on the fence on whether to drop my point on nsg for finding that suspicious though, I feel like there still might be some weight to it given those recent development I mentioned
fyi this came up while I was trying to construct a case on nsg

???

has there ever been a situation where you've emulated your catch-up style and you

have

announced it? like, i would assume you'd only be "emulating" your style as scum, so i'm not sure why you would announce it in those situations?

what "recent developments" are you talking about?

also, lol at "trying" to come up with a case on me.

In post 814, xRECKONERx wrote:jesus christ nsg i fucking hate your style of posting.

what elements of that style are you talking about? if it's my response to gamma, yeah, it's terrible. i intended to just leave it all in the quote and color my responses but i have no clue what happened to the formatting and then gamma said he wouldn't respond unless i changed to so eh

is it something else?

northsidegal · Post Post #819 (isolation #63) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:37 pm

i'm not even a serial waller. i was just bored so i decided to just point out why people should be scumreading gamma's iso.

northsidegal · Post Post #822 (isolation #64) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:38 pm

These people are in this game?

Arcangel
Vecna
hiplop
brassherald (did he get replaced yet?)

northsidegal · Post Post #837 (isolation #65) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:46 pm

if i'm not lurking then just call me town. also, if you're annoyed at the way i'm typing or what i'm saying or you think any of it is scummy then blame it on me being v/la and not being able to do things normally.

also, i think when it's appropriate i condense things into a single post. 817 is an example. sometimes things are posted right after i post and so that necessitates another post of mine, like my 819 (although granted, i'm not sure i could call this "necessitated").

occasionally i will admit to getting p-edited by something and just not reading it and making my post anyways, then responding to it afterwards. i don't feel like that significantly affects my post count, though?

In post 826, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 817, northsidegal wrote:???

has there ever been a situation where you've emulated your catch-up style and you have announced it? like, i would assume you'd only be "emulating" your style as scum, so i'm not sure why you would announce it in those situations?

what "recent developments" are you talking about?

also, lol at "trying" to come up with a case on me.
I can't address this in full now, but yes there are situations where I've announced I've tried to emulate my catch-up meta.
As for recent developments that is me having actually good towngames that I can look to and try to incorporate aspects of into my games.
And w/e nice to see you picking at my wording

could you link me to those times? i can't possibly imagine why you would do that.

i don't understand how these "recent developments" factor into your read on me at all. like, supposedly there's some aspect of

your

meta that's changed: in what way does that relate to my push on you and how it affects

my

alignment?

there are valid cases to say that someone is nitpicking, but this isn't one of them. i can only respond to the things you say - i can't read your mind. so, when you say that you're "trying" to come up with a case on me, what i hear is that you're starting without reasons that i'm scum and going off and

looking for them

.

northsidegal · Post Post #838 (isolation #66) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:49 pm

I don't think that just waiting for day one to be over for "more information" is really productive when we have so many people with so little content. Like, scum could easily be majority in the lurkers, and I don't think just having flips would do anything to bring us closer towards realizing that.

northsidegal · Post Post #840 (isolation #67) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:51 pm

In post 839, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 837, northsidegal wrote:if i'm not lurking then just call me town.
bullshit and you know it

er yeah, i'll admit that.

i mean, it's held true for literally every scum game i've played on site, but it's not like

just posting

is

outside

of my scumrange.

the "

" and the sentence after that was meant to convey being non-serious.

northsidegal · Post Post #846 (isolation #68) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:59 pm

In post 844, Firebringer wrote:Hey nsg and gamma.

How about us three stop posting for about 48 hours to let others chance to catch up.

works for me, i'm v/la anyways.

people i'd vote:

Pine
Gamma Emerald
Arcangel9
brassherald (still in the game?)

maybe mutant?
maybe hyung?

northsidegal · Post Post #922 (isolation #69) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:30 pm

In post 911, T-Bone wrote:
In post 803, northsidegal wrote:SNIP
Wow, so I hate this type of bullshit. A) It took me like 2 minutes to delete all of it so I could write the word SNIP so we wouldn't have to read it again.

More importantly, what is the purpose of this post? I'm not asking to meme either.

It would be one thing if northsidegal actually followed up on this...made some inferences on this...or commented on it in any meaningful way. Nope, that didn't happen.

Busy work = scum work is the point I'm getting across. This to me, more than anything, looks like someone trying to emulate what town!them would do. This is the kinda stuff I expect out of mastina when she draws scum.

i'm breaking the 48 hour thing to respond to this (hey, i'm still following along with the thread!) because i think it's kind of silly

that post was literally wagon data from mathblade's automated votecounter tool

if you think i manually counted all of that you're insane, and you also must think that i'm insane or something?

if you really must know, one thing i found interesting from the wagon data was that cheeky was the only real wagon that made it to any real vote count. on just a surface level i think that indicates that she's town - if she were scum i would either expect a counterwagon to have popped up at some point or for there to be more theatric interactions, and just from memory i don't think i've seen any that look like that to me. so, it kind of strengthens my townread there.

really i just did it because i was doing the automated votecount anyways and i thought looking at the wagon data would be interesting. anyways, back to v/la.

northsidegal · Post Post #1121 (isolation #70) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:50 pm

hi

so i'm not really convinced on a t-bone wagon. from what i remember from team mafia mathdino went through a lot of frustration with t-bone that i've tried to take into account and so i've been townreading him. i don't remember much of the specifics of that game to go into a really in-depth explanation but i haven't really seen him as scum. also, i definitely agreed with what he said about brian skies, so if anything i'd prefer to vote there.

i'll probably go through and respond to some things now.

northsidegal · Post Post #1125 (isolation #71) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:55 pm

In post 1124, Alisae wrote:
In post 1121, northsidegal wrote:hi

so i'm not really convinced on a t-bone wagon. from what i remember from team mafia mathdino went through a lot of frustration with t-bone that i've tried to take into account and so i've been townreading him. i don't remember much of the specifics of that game to go into a really in-depth explanation but i haven't really seen him as scum. also, i definitely agreed with what he said about brian skies, so if anything i'd prefer to vote there.

i'll probably go through and respond to some things now.
See NSG this doesn’t help me, but I assume you WILL give me something to work with so I will wait :3

anyone familiar enough with my meta should easily have me as town this game already

are you really going to force me to actually respond to gamma's case

northsidegal · Post Post #1128 (isolation #72) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:59 pm

and i don't really feel like 1059 has many points where i can look at them and solidly say "yeah, this definitely shows t-bone is scum". sure, his interaction with cheeky was weird, but i think that's par from the course from what i remember of mathdino agonizing over team mafia? i could definitely see what you're saying with the hyung thing but on it's own i don't think the pre-flip is a very strong reason to vote someone. the manual votecounter "busywork" thing was bad, though.

northsidegal · Post Post #1129 (isolation #73) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:59 pm

ah, i misunderstood what you were saying i think

northsidegal · Post Post #1131 (isolation #74) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:03 pm

i think if t-bone is scum he's just been playing a really... weird? scumgame. like, he only chooses to focus on cheeky for a large part of the start of the game and then when i confront him with how he's doing that we just go into a really weird discussion / debate thing. it didn't feel like a scum way of handling things. i'm not sure if that's how he plays as scum but i think i have reason to believe that that's how he plays as town.

northsidegal · Post Post #1134 (isolation #75) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:18 pm

In post 1133, Alisae wrote:Also I don’t think meta is a tool that will help with T—Bone because he constantly says that meta is trash and from when I’ve heard him rant on sitechat about meta awhile back, I am interpreting T—Bone as the type of player that is extremely self-aware and can fake his meta.

are the "meta is trash" players the ones who actually care the most about their own meta and manipulating it? if anything i figure it would be the opposite. why bother manipulating your meta if you discredit meta reads in every game anyways?

and although i guess i'm making comments on meta, just in general i don't think the way he's reacted to some of my interactions has felt like scum. the whole thing with me confronting him about only pushing on cheeky is a good example of that, i feel. like, let's say you're scum in that situation: you've been basically tunnelling on either a townie or on your buddy for the entire beginning of the game (but tunnelling in a weird way), and someone calls you out on that. what do you do? things like doubling down on the read, trying to deflect elsewhere, or OMGUSing come to mind, at least to me (in my admittedly limited experience of being scum). the way he reacted which i can't even come up with a short description for just doesn't seem like something scum would do in that situation.

northsidegal · Post Post #1137 (isolation #76) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:24 pm

here's another example, i guess (i never intended to start hard defending t-bone like this but -shrug-) - t-bone just laughs at cheeky's inconsistencies. does scum react like this? i would figure that scum would just take the opportunity to start or strengthen a push on cheeky by quoting them along with a vote or something and being like "look at these obvious contradictions, cheeky is just making things up as it suits her", whereas i could definitely see town seeing something they see as an obvious inconsistency and just pointing it out and laughing.

Spoiler:

northsidegal · Post Post #1138 (isolation #77) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:25 pm

In post 1136, Brian Skies wrote:NSG, when was the last time you were scum?

i believe it was micro 793: double investigation. i had 0 posts before i got lynched.

my wiki is almost completely up to date, like three games i haven't put there yet i think. (haven't lost a game in a while, self-plug!!)

northsidegal · Post Post #1143 (isolation #78) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:35 pm

In post 1139, Alisae wrote:Yes wolves can react like that.
I think you are underestimating how big T—Bone’s wolf range is.

And my arguement isn’t people who hate meta can’t fake their meta, its T-Bone has the ability to fake his meta.
It’s different because I am talking about T-Bone.

perhaps, i really don't have much experience with him as a player. i guess i still think the reasons to townread him outweigh / make more sense than the reasons to have him as scum.

In post 1141, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 1137, northsidegal wrote:here's another example, i guess (i never intended to start hard defending t-bone like this but -shrug-) - t-bone just laughs at cheeky's inconsistencies. does scum react like this? i would figure that scum would just take the opportunity to start or strengthen a push on cheeky by quoting them along with a vote or something and being like "look at these obvious contradictions, cheeky is just making things up as it suits her", whereas i could definitely see town seeing something they see as an obvious inconsistency and just pointing it out and laughing.

Spoiler:
In post 498, T-Bone wrote:
In post 157, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 151, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 147, CheekyTeeky wrote:Are you guys just PLing me for being a VI or do you care to add reasons?
I like wagons. You refused to join mine on brass and used a yucky FoS instead, so I'm joining yours. You have like 3 or 4 votes...why care so much?
Because I can't assess votes I don't get reasons for. Why are you shading so much?

CheekyTeeky wrote:VOTE: Tbone

In post 507, T-Bone wrote:
In post 157, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 151, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 147, CheekyTeeky wrote:Are you guys just PLing me for being a VI or do you care to add reasons?
I like wagons. You refused to join mine on brass and used a yucky FoS instead, so I'm joining yours. You have like 3 or 4 votes...why care so much?
Because I can't assess votes I don't get reasons for. Why are you shading so much?

CheekyTeeky wrote:VOTE: Pine

In post 509, T-Bone wrote:But it is hilarious.
NSG that's exactly what Scum!Thor does. I find it scummier for someone to point out inconsistencies without taking a stance, moreso than a player who pushes it as something explicitly scummy. If you subtly discredit someone you basically shrug off responsibility because the people you influence, to look at a player more as scum, will be responsible.

-shrug-

is it what scum t-bone does?

northsidegal · Post Post #1149 (isolation #79) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:45 pm

In post 1146, CheekyTeeky wrote:Then I don't know why NSG thinks she can argue what Scum T-bone doesn't do based on town meta. I think if we can all agree on a lynch we're probably going in a better direction though.

i explicitly said that it wasn't based specifically on meta, moreso based on a general idea of how i expect scum to play vs how i expect town to play.

In post 1148, CheekyTeeky wrote:Is there anyone besides T-bone or Gemerald you two want to lynch?

i would vote brian skies.

northsidegal · Post Post #1150 (isolation #80) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:46 pm

like, that seems kind of silly to me. if i say that something coming from a specific player is towny because i expect it to come from town more often than scum, i don't necessarily have to be making a meta-specific argument for that player. it can just be something in general.

northsidegal · Post Post #1154 (isolation #81) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:48 pm

have you just been here reading, brian?

northsidegal · Post Post #1156 (isolation #82) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:50 pm

In post 1155, Brian Skies wrote:I was looking at your scumgames and
wondering why I'm even bothering with meta
.

what gave you that thought?

northsidegal · Post Post #1158 (isolation #83) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:51 pm

what games did you read? can you name my scumpartners quickly? if you can answer this in the next 30 seconds you'll be townier.

northsidegal · Post Post #1161 (isolation #84) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:53 pm

i mean, it really should've been a more insightful journey. as it stands historically my scumgames have been night and day with my towngames.

northsidegal · Post Post #1497 (isolation #85) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:12 pm

redoing because of replacement

Spoiler: VoteCount Settings

northsidegal · Post Post #1498 (isolation #86) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:16 pm

hm

Spoiler: VoteCount Settings

northsidegal · Post Post #1499 (isolation #87) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:17 pm

can't seem to get it working

/useless

northsidegal · Post Post #1506 (isolation #88) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:39 pm

VOTE: arcangel

northsidegal · Post Post #1512 (isolation #89) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:55 pm

i don't think mutant plays a scumgame like this. obviously if he's playing one level deeper than i'm thinking then i'm totally off here but i don't think that's the case.

northsidegal · Post Post #1513 (isolation #90) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:55 pm

or rather, if i'm thinking one level deeper than he's playing. that would work to throw me off as well.

northsidegal · Post Post #1515 (isolation #91) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:59 pm

deliberately trying to play against established scum meta is an interesting point, but i still feel like if he were doing that he would go for more "aggressive" rather than "look at me being so weird and jester-y".

northsidegal · Post Post #1517 (isolation #92) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:02 pm

confident townreads

penguinpower
Gammagooey
Vaxkiller

townleans

Cheeky
T-Bone
Firebringer

"too scummy to be scum"

mutantdevle
hyung

rest is not particularly categorized. i think brian skies has a pretty good chance of being scum. i'm not sure anymore whether or not gamma is scum, i'd have to take another look. i guess i might've been wrong though.

northsidegal · Post Post #1519 (isolation #93) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:04 pm

In post 1516, Pine wrote:Shouldn't we all be trying to play against our established scum meta? Always? Regardless of our role?

/philosophy

i guess a better way to put it would've been

switching up

his style as scum rather than trying to play a better version of his existing scumgame. like, if the way i play as scum is to try to play exactly my towngame but what ends up happening is i lurk a ton, trying to play a better version of my existing scumgame would be trying to do the same thing and lurk less, but switching up my style would be like going for one-liners or something.

i guess it's the reason why people scumread anyone who announces "hey i'm going to be switching up my style this game" at the start of a game so much.

northsidegal · Post Post #1531 (isolation #94) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:51 pm

In post 1523, Alisae wrote:
In post 1517, northsidegal wrote:confident townreads
penguinpower
why

it was from early game. i guess it might be slightly outdated now, just felt like town penguin responding to things. i really can't go more in-depth than that, it was a kind of instinctual thing based on the experience i have playing with or reading games with town penguin vs scum penguin.

northsidegal · Post Post #1536 (isolation #95) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:41 pm

In post 1534, CheekyTeeky wrote:I don't understand how I went from Obv town to town lean for NSG.

it's my read being influenced by many other people in the game seeming to scumread you. like, maybe i'm the one who's wrong and there's something i'm not seeing or that i'm misreading.

northsidegal · Post Post #1812 (isolation #96) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:36 am

In post 1811, Pine wrote:
In post 1809, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 261, ArcAngel9 wrote:Hey scummies... Give me a day. Will catch up!!

In post 443, ArcAngel9 wrote:Just got back and i am going to catch up in a bit. So will join the party
Except that she's been trying to catch up from page 11. If she struggled with 11....I don't see it getting better.
A town player would've replaced out by now imo
.

It's worth noting that AA9 being a potential mislynch is the only thing Pine seems to care about today. Surely his energy would be better spent convincing us Mutant is scum to which he still hasn't provided a reason beyond AA9 being a mislynch as a counterwagon to mutant. This change in Pine caring about the game started around the time LLD entered so I'm not sure if the coincidence is significant or not yet.
Bullshit to the bolded. People aren't perfect and noble; they stay in games they want to play in.

Again, this sort of thing happens ALL THE TIME. You fucks shitpost all day while the adults have work, school, children, and real lives, and then you condescend to us as if we're lazy for not having the time to catch up to a 70+ page game.

The AA9 lynch is LAZY, and ignores people who have actually been scummy.

pine is completely right here, i think. it doesn't necessarily make him town, but he's completely right.

UNVOTE:

northsidegal · Post Post #1813 (isolation #97) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:41 am

In post 1603, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 235, northsidegal wrote:People i'd vote (in no particular order):

Gamma
hyung
Firebringer
brassherald
Brian Skies

VOTE: brian skies
Fuck it's hard to ask these questions when it's so long ago but

you listed 5 names. Why would you vote each of these people at that time, and why did you choose to vote Brian over the others?

it's been a while so i might not completely remember everything. gamma you presumably already read my reasoning for. hyung i knew had a meta of lurking as scum, and going under the assumption that he was marquis i would've supported a wagon on him to see how he reacted (also i didn't want to make the same mistake i did in team mafia white flag). firebringer i kind of forget. he was probably messing around enough for me to consider it scummy. brassherald had a terrible intro i think and had a weird vote on cheeky. i think alisae still has an okay chance to be scum based on brassherald (and just based on alisae's posting / pushing of t-bone). brian skies wasn't doing anything which i'm pretty sure is a scumtell for him. i forget why i chose him specifically.

and, on that note,

VOTE: brian skies

northsidegal · Post Post #1814 (isolation #98) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:42 am

I havne't been following my own philosophy of voting the silently scummy people who just skate by. This vote is mainly for brian's case on t-bone.

northsidegal · Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:48 pm

i don't really think gamma is scum anymore.

northsidegal · Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:52 pm

he kind of towned it up earlier, or at least started looking more like ton gamma. plus, i doubt that scum him would say what he did upon replacing out, seems genuine.

northsidegal · Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:54 pm

confident townreads

Gamma Emerald
Gammagooey
Vaxkiller

townleans

Cheeky
T-Bone

Firebringer

penguinpower
hyung
Lady Lambdadelta

"too scummy to be scum"

mutantdevle
ArcAngel9 (?)

That leaves:
xRECKONERx
Pine
Firebringer
Vecna
Alisae
hiplop
Brian Skies

northsidegal · Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:56 pm

Now that the game is finished, i can say that what brian said about t-bone (i.e. brian's whole case post there) really reminded me of what i saw of his scumplay in touhou ucanpick. going to take a more specific look now

northsidegal · Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:57 pm

In post 1903, CheekyTeeky wrote:xRECKONERx
Gammagooey
T-Bone Lady Lambdadelta
Vecna
Vaxkiller
brassherald Alisae
----- Need to sort below
northsidegal
Pine
hiplop
Brian Skies
Gamma Emerald
hyung
------- Would lynch below
PenguinPower
mutantdevle
Firebringer
ArcAngel9

Hm, doesn't look like any of our lynch targets really align. why do you townread alisae, vecna and reck?

i feel like you have too much lynchbait in your lynchpool.

northsidegal · Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:01 pm

so would you say you've come to a conclusion on him?

do you think that i should change my mind on my read there?

northsidegal · Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:34 pm

why do you think vaxkiller is scum? going to quote where i got my townread on him from

northsidegal · Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:38 pm

it was this conversation:

Spoiler:

In post 340, northsidegal wrote:
In post 337, T-Bone wrote:You've effectively made my point, by the way. Thank you.
what point?

In post 338, Vaxkiller wrote:Mutante. Your town reads have legit people they are voting for, but your voting for no one? You also have your own scum reads... and voting for no one? I mean wtf?

VOTE: Mutante

I think you guys are ignoring mutante because its too obvious.
i think town loses a lot by lynching the townies who do outrageous things and ignoring the silently scummy players. i'm not sure if mutant can be classified as "townie" in that first part, but he's certainly "doing outrageous things". i prefer to focus on the second group.

In post 341, Vaxkiller wrote:It's not outrageous. It's nonsensical. I mean why post it? It comes off awkward an weird.

In post 342, northsidegal wrote:
In post 341, Vaxkiller wrote:It's not outrageous. It's nonsensical. I mean why post it? It comes off awkward an weird.
do you think the answer to "why post it?" is "he's scum"?

In post 344, Vaxkiller wrote:Yes! But not as direct as you are making it seem. I think he wants to be seen as doing something.

In post 345, Vaxkiller wrote:I have played with him before.

In post 346, northsidegal wrote:
In post 344, Vaxkiller wrote:Yes! But not as direct as you are making it seem. I think he wants to be seen as doing something.
i mean, i think if mutant were scum who wanted to be townread for doing things then he could just do that by playing a normal scumgame, which he's done before.

i don't know – i'm not going to go into a hard defense here but i think there's almost certainly something deeper going on than "mutant is scum who's deliberately acting weird", and i don't think it'd be very useful for me to vote there right now.

In post 347, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 346, northsidegal wrote:"mutant is scum who's deliberately acting weird"
That's an odd way to put it.

In post 348, northsidegal wrote:
In post 347, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 346, northsidegal wrote:"mutant is scum who's deliberately acting weird"
That's an odd way to put it.
elaborate?

In post 349, Vaxkiller wrote:I think hes acting weird and he is scum. Not deliberately acting weird to be scum read.

In post 350, northsidegal wrote:you think this is him attempting to play a regular scumgame (ie get townread by everyone)?

In post 353, Vaxkiller wrote:Why would you think that I think: he is scum deliberately acting weird?

and so on, didn't feel the need to quote the entire thing. i didn't feel like there was any scum intention in what he was saying or in his push on mutant, even though we disagreed.

northsidegal · Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:44 pm

i'm in a mafia playing mood, so i really want to discuss things right now.

@alisae, why do you townread brian?

northsidegal · Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:07 pm

Yeah, i don't actually think brian's 942 comes from town. It's incredibly similar to the case he wrote up as scum in touhou upick just recently on katyusha. I don't think town Brian actually makes cases on people like that: from doing a quick look over his ISOs from Beneath the Mask and A Mid-Scummer Night's Dream (other semi-comparable large theme games), both games where he was town, i didn't see anything like this. Now, that quick skim isn't a huge reason

for

him being scum, it's just a quick litmus test: i'm seeing something which i feel comes from scum!Brian. Has it come from town!Brian in the past? Well, not really from what i've seen.

Even without meta I think Brian's 942 is scummy enough to warrant his lynch. These are his points against T-Bone:

In post 942, Brian Skies wrote:A complete mess of pushing back and forth on Cheeky that culminates with teh response: 'At no point did I ever make a judgment about your alignment (or anyone else's for that matter). At no point have I suggested we lynch you.' Which begs the question of what exactly was the purpose of TBone's interactions with Cheeky in the first place.

Also not a stance.

He then continues to mock Cheeky without committing to a read either way on her and then feels the need to tell her that he's still not accusing her of anything.

Claims Cheeky has the most game-relevant content, but once again, no stance.

Admits his North vote was completely random. Ends the conversation with: 'I don't think you did anything scummy,' which begs the question of half his conversation with NSG and once again, not a stance.

Responds to Vax and talks about Mutant.

No stance on either.

Meh. One stance I guess. Although I'm unsure as to whether he's just continuing it on from the 'probably just a joke' from the beginning of the game or if there's actual reasons for this.

Didn't really say anything beyond this and didn't vote her with me.

Buries this in a spoiler tag, but doesn't go into why he townreads Cheeky or fight against her lynch in any way.

Eh. I guess this isn't a completely awful vote. But there isn't anything that makes me believe TBone believes this will flip scum.

Also, while I don't want to encourage VC burning, I just feel that scum blatantly going through them would be a completely unclassy move to make.

If I've somehow missed one of TBone's amazing stances this game, enlighten me

In post 954, Brian Skies wrote:I'm not reading that wall.

Let's lynch TBone for crimes against all that is good in the world.

Obviously i'm just quoting what he said and so removing the context of what T-Bone said, but on their own and as a whole i don't think the reasons that he pointed out are actually scum-indicative. I think this is scum looking at a townie doing things that can easily be pointed out as inconsistent, weird or just as seemingly scummy ("not taking a stance, doesn't explain things, etc.")

northsidegal · Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:16 pm

For your convenience, this was Brian's case on Katyusha in touhou upick:

Spoiler:

In post 405, Brian Skies wrote:First of all, if you haven't caught on already, I strongly believe that Kat's scum here, and I'll break it down for you.

In post 4, Katyusha wrote:alright listen up

Using your spell card today is a scumclaim and will be met with a policy lynch

I have a vig that only works on wagons that have gone to L-1 and I feel it’s best used as a double lynch today - I realize a lot of people may think I shouldn’t claim this but
when I roll town I find I play better while conftown
-
and this role is pretty strong and obviously town when it’s coordinated by town
, most L-1 wagons either end in a lynch or are bad lynches anyway. And yes it’s stage 1 so it works at day

We should try to decide on a first lynch around 4-5 days into the DP, and then use info from that for the next lynch. I will not shoot a townread (or Purrcocet unless I’m 100% sure they are scum) however.

In post 63, Katyusha wrote:As I understand it, L-1 in the past as long as it’s in a VC

I can double check though

In post 0, FakeGod wrote:It must be your stage or past your stage for you to be able to use your spell card.
She opens up by saying he wants to use her role and anyone who decides to use theirs instead is scum (strong fearmongering, favored tactic by most scum; coupled with the fact that she's claiming a 'vig' type role, this makes for an effective tactic for scaring townies into following them). This irked me because there was no discussion as to whether her role was best for the day or that if someone else had a better role to use that she'd be open to it. This felt more like a power play by Kats to confirm her role and hope that by claiming and confirming her role people would townread her for it, rather than trying to see what was best for the town and making sure she would take the best shot (emphasized by her stated desire to be conftowned and treated as town by confirmability and wanting to make sure she got her vig shot off and getting a second flip rather than making sure it was the best thing to do). From my experience, town are less concerned about being treated as conftown, but scum prioritize it since it gives them more influence over the playerlist and also lets them skate by on bad towncred.

Also note that nothing about her role or the setup states that she
has
to use it today, so her pushing to use it feels more like someone who wants to take advantage of it immediately and get rid of a potential threat rather than someone hoping to optimize its use.

In post 4, Katyusha wrote:I will not shoot a townread (or Purrcocet unless I’m 100% sure they are scum) however.

In post 12, Katyusha wrote:but i highly doubt there's a better PR to use D1, it's basically a free cop on me too
Notice how she reemphasizes that her role is best for today (debatable) AND that by confirming her role, she's be basically conftowned (confirmabilty != town).

In post 8, Purrcocet wrote:VOTE: Katyusha

i literally almost threw up

In post 15, Purrcocet wrote:lol she sounds like a textbook who wants to flash wagon this

In post 18, Katyusha wrote:
In post 17, Eddie Cane wrote:giga whats ur relationship with molly purrocets

none, my chakras are flaring tho theres something with them i FEEL IT

but yo purrcs i got a counterproposal for u:

VOTE: purrcocet

She subtly instigates Purrcoat and then jumps on him when he suspects her.

In post 37, Katyusha wrote:I agree that what they haven’t done is like scummy and that elbirn’s push is townie but they’re capable of doing that as scum and are probably memeing. Either way they need pressure

In post 37, Katyusha wrote:Seriously tho what’s ur take on purrcs
Doesn't think Purr is scummy, but he needs pressure?

In post 58, Elbirn wrote:I reside in a serene and peaceful world where no moderator is enough of a bastard to grant even more killing power to the team whose power it is to kill people. It is wonderful here. There is birdsong, and the gentle pitter-patter of the snowmelt dripping off of the tree branches and into the lake below. I breath out, and with my breath go all of my troubles. Because FakeGod knows that if there's a scum vig I am going to frown at him.

In post 59, Katyusha wrote:agreed on you about scum vigs - when i was thinking about claiming i wasnt sure if FG's design style is different for this sort of game,
i've only read the alice in wonderland games
and all of the games that've been played during my time. i probably should take a look later, i'm honestly not sure what to expect if we're getting basically a D1 double lynch and probably 3 scum.

In post 102, SXTLHGaiden wrote:Well, sky did play in touhou upick 4 [aborted] and there were enough spellcard being thrown around that he'd know the rules.

In post 103, Katyusha wrote:oh shit scum did have killing power in that one, hm

i guess i'm not an IC, which is fine, but still.
i still think we should use my spellcard asap

In post 124, Brian Skies wrote:Kat, you said you read all the Alice in Wonderland games, but did you come across that one? It's the sequel to his Through the Looking Glass game.

In post 125, Katyusha wrote:Yeah I remember that one, but it’s different

That setup was built around giving clues of that role’s existence, which Kagami figured out pretty quickly (though she did have the flip to help her)

I figured if FG were to include a scum vig it’s going to be more clearly scum by set up spec.
Notice how Kat agrees with Elbirn that vigs are less likely to be scum and how she brings up other games to support her claim. When I brought it up to her, I was expecting her response to be more along the lines of 'I forgot that game' or 'I didn't see that one because it the title didn't fit the theme' or something along those lines. Instead she admits to knowing about it but didn't bring it up, and the explanation seemed to be more of her trying to explain her way back into her original narrative and how it didn't apply rather than any acknowledgement of why her role could be suspicious.

Also note how even after it's made clear to her that there were scum killing powers in other games, and that her role wouldn't make her town, that she still wanted to make sure she could use her power. Feels like she's getting antsy and wants to make sure she gets her ability off.

In post 143, Katyusha wrote:didn't even notice the brian wagon but i like its composition so far and i'm not townreading him

VOTE: Brian Skies
Another vote on someone who openly suspects her, but fails to explain why I'm worthy of a vote other than 'I'm not being townread.' Probably her looking to shut down those who suspect her and get rid of a threat.

In post 149, Human Sequencer wrote:if ur all wagoning him cuz his posts are ugly that's something I completely understand but gamma deserves it too and maybe even Kat
HS openly suspects Kat as well, and once again, see where Kat ends up going.

In post 185, Text Generator wrote:Eddie and probably one of Kiana or Lexa are scum; BS is provisionally town. The composition of the BS wagon, for the record, is actually bad. Gaiden might be scum too.

Katyusha changed her claim and should vig the L-1 wagon
after
an unvote to prove that her role is actually what she just said. If she can vig anyone who has ever been at L-1, I'd agree that that seems unlikely as a scum role.

VOTE: eddie cane

In post 190, Katyusha wrote:I’ve never changed my claim, what are you talking about?

Can you expand on your Eddie read?

In post 191, Text Generator wrote:You claimed you could vig the L-1 wagon initially. Then you claimed you could vig anyone who had ever been at L-1, which is very different in my mind.

Tentatively EC's reads look easy or spurious. He has a pool of mostly low content posters, and his preferred lynch order is nearly the opposite of the order I read the slots in.

To a certain extent, I'm waiting for Kiana and Sky Paladin to do something, but I don't want to make them post because I want to see if they'll continue to lie low.

In post 194, Katyusha wrote:Meh, I figure the “have gone to” shows it works on past wagons but I get you

I can kind of see where Eddie’s reads are coming from as well and am not sure if viewing the gamestate differently is scummy at this stage - if anything I kind of think it’s better to see where he takes them since that’s how I usually read stronger scum players

Not sure if “spurious” is the word i’d put to them. They seem like reasonable gutreads as well - especially considering how he’s not really strongly scumreading anyone. I feel like people faking reads don’t just “wind up” faking poe reads and if I nailed down a reason for why his reads seem genuine it’s that. Not to insinuate scum are incapable of faking reads, I just don’t think with the persona Eddie would put up this game it fits that well

Plus one on Kiana and Sky, though
Kat's quick to defend Eddie, who she'd bee trying to warm up to and who also has 'POE' reads in her favor. She claims to 'kinda see where Eddie's reads are coming from,' but fails to discern how or why she feels this way, just that she thinks he's town. I still have to go through Eddie's posts, but I find this noteworthy and possibly indicative of a buddy.

In post 197, Purrcocet wrote:VOTE: DLE

In post 198, Katyusha wrote:Purrc idk if I’ve ever agreed w ur votes this game
Awkward reaction considering Purr doesn't even townread Kat, Kat doesn't have any strong feelings on Purr either way, and she even tried to wagon Purr before moving on after realizing people weren't interested in flashwagoning him.

In post 207, Katyusha wrote:{Elbrin, DLE}
{Dunnstral, Purrcs}
{Eddie, Gamma, hebi}
{Gaiden}
-----------
{Kiana, Lexa, TG}
{Brian, HS}
Suddenly Purr is town, which is mostly an Eddie read, and her scumpool is comprised of lurkers/lynchbait and players that have openly suspected her or questioned her claim.

In post 211, Katyusha wrote:
In post 145, Human Sequencer wrote:96 is a really bad post
it's not even that scummy
it's just bad
i don't wanna live in a universe where people actually vote other people for knowing who is and isn't in the game
this is kind of a weird thing to say about the person you're voting for though
Another awkward comment, because apparently HS can't have conflicting thoughts about someone he RVS-voted.

In post 160, Eddie Cane wrote:Sky / Kiana / TG / Brian / Lexa / DLE / Hebi / Human

In post 173, Eddie Cane wrote:{Brian > HS / TG > Hebi > Sky > Kiana > Lexa}

In post 223, Eddie Cane wrote:{Brian > HS > TG > Sky > Kiana > Hebi > Lexa}
It bothers me that Eddie feels the need to state the same scumreads over and over with minimal changes (which are mostly lurker/inactive players as well as those who openly suspect or don't immediately accept Kat as town), but I feel like Kat wouldn't brazenly copy Eddie's scumreads (in that she only omits Hebi and Sky) if this was an Eddie/Kat scumteam. The overlap here though is a big red flag (mostly for Kat since I see this more as her sheeping his reads than buddies pushing the same thing).

In post 243, Human Sequencer wrote:Kat is a towny town
why do we have to waste an easy townread on a confirmable slot zzz
This is a questionable post, especially since HS openly suspected kat earlier (without explanation). Not sure if this is actually how HS feels about Kat or if he's just giving in to Kat's intimidation.

In post 248, Human Sequencer wrote:he has a lynchboner for brian and me which i don't really get

eddie why do you have a lynchboner for brian and me
But he does see something similar to me regarding Eddie/Kat, maybe. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

In post 272, Human Sequencer wrote:
In post 267, Katyusha wrote:
In post 263, Human Sequencer wrote:can you really not see how a slot having a lot of one line, unimpressionable posts can cause them to mentally slurry together with other players
maybe it's from doing an iso? i don't know, having read this game entirely in context and not yet doing an ISO i feel like Eddie has been kind of echoing what I've been thinking in my head a lot, maybe change a thing or two.

and yeah, don't force reads if you don't have to. i have full faith if you're town you can towntell and scumhunt fine but right now I don't really see it. If anything you kind of remind me of your play in that shitty micro from way back when? it was literally your last game iirc, you felt kind of potatoey i guess and just kind of floating around. if you're just in a rut though let's try to get out of it
the difference is i'm not thinking what you're thinking

i've asked him to explain the whole brian thing like twice and he's just stonewalling me so i don't know how i'm supposed to see what he's seeing

if the micro was the nano multiball with luca blight (which was my last game before hiatus i think) then i was in a massive rut then, but i was also town in that game
i don't feel particularly rutty rn tho

In post 274, Katyusha wrote:also the possibility i'm getting pocketed exists etc

i dont want to paranoia lynch eddie d1 though i'd feel like a shitty friend
HS tries to air his suspicions on Eddie, and Kat continues to strangely buddy his reads and defend him.

From my experience, scum struggle with reasons for scumreading someone, and so far, Kat/Eddie have mostly been just townreading players (something that's far easier for scum since they already know their alignments). Elbirn's confusion over Kat/Eddie's Gaiden townread (someone I alway struggle with reading, although I think I remember Kagami claiming to have a good grasp on him), resonates a little with me.

Also, HS is right in that Eddie mostly just reiterated his POE pool instead of explaining his reads in any way.

In post 280, Katyusha wrote:
In post 120, SXTLHGaiden wrote:I also just learned that going to night phase advances the stage.
feels like an oddly specific thing to try to derptowntell with as scum, i think it's more likely genuine

scum probably have had some time to discuss the setup and mechanics considering how much it's centered around the game, if he's scum i think he just doesn't mention this while giving setup info since it's not on his mind

nothing conclusive i'd like hard-whiteknight him off of but it's a preliminary townread.
I'm also not really buying this as a reason to townread Gaiden. Sure, it seems a little odd for someone to state openly in thread, but fake towntells are a thing and I don't see how this reaction couldn't have been faked. Not to mention it's not like Gaiden's really done anything that I find even moderately helpful or insightful.

In post 302, Eddie Cane wrote:where? also, i've posted about why i scumread brian at least a while ago, you literally just iso'd me.
For the record, the only explanation I've found regarding his BS/HS scumreads thus far are that he thinks we're 'buddies.' But the only reasoning I can infer from his posts is that HS doesn't understand why I was being wagoned and that we've both suspected Kat to some degree.

So this response is very ??? to me.

In post 302, Eddie Cane wrote:Actually, I am a mafia brain Jesus.

In post 302, Eddie Cane wrote:Brian has seen one of my worst town games on site, that was mostly because my hydra partner told me someone was 100% scum and to push it and they had a 10 game track record of reading that person flawlessly and they were town.....
Lol.

Kiana spamming the thread seems like a good stopping point for now. I'll go over more reads in my next post.

I also don't really feel the need to claim, but will if needed. My role does play into my scumread of Kat a little bit.

VOTE: Katyusha

northsidegal · Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:22 pm

My quoting of 954 was more to show off your scumread of T-Bone than to comment on any of the content in that post specifically. I suppose 955 would have been a better example.

northsidegal · Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:29 pm

Sigh so this is what it feels like when i lurk on people.

northsidegal · Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:34 pm

I'd like people's thoughts on scum!brian.

Pine? Firebringer?

northsidegal · Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:45 pm

In post 1956, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1952, northsidegal wrote:I'd like people's thoughts on scum!brian.

Pine? Firebringer?
He is Town.

Also why am I not a townread for you anymore?

Why do you think so?

I think i forgot my reasoning for townreading you if i was previously, and none comes to mind as of now.

northsidegal · Wed May 02, 2018 3:20 pm

my strongest townreads have similar thoughts that i do with regards to the hyung wagon.

that tells me that my reads are perhaps based on things that leave me easily opened to being pocketed, or that the hyung wagon is more likely than not scum motivated.

i don't really like the idea of voting there.

northsidegal · Thu May 03, 2018 7:53 am

I don't think hyung flips scum.

northsidegal · Thu May 03, 2018 12:08 pm

I also townread vax. Not liking pine's lynch suggestions.

northsidegal · Thu May 03, 2018 2:20 pm

trying this again

Spoiler: VoteCount Settings

northsidegal · Thu May 03, 2018 2:40 pm

Votecount 1.1

hyung(6)

~ Lady Lambdadelta(163), Pine(153), Alisae(222), xRECKONERx(138), mutantdevle(104), Brian Skies(184)

ArcAngel9(3)

~ PenguinPower(70), BBmolla(183), CheekyTeeky(334)

Vecna(1)

~ Gammagooey(104)

Vaxkiller(1)

~ Firebringer(198)

Pine(1)

~ Vaxkiller(134)

Lady Lambdadelta(1)

~ hyung(60)

CheekyTeeky(1)

~ ArcAngel9(25)

Brian Skies(1)

~ northsidegal(118)

Not Voting (2): Vecna(59), Titus(12)

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-05-07 12:19:59)

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northsidegal · Thu May 03, 2018 2:50 pm

yeah i don't actually know when deadline is so i just made something up.

northsidegal · Thu May 03, 2018 2:50 pm

VOTE: Arcangel

northsidegal · Thu May 03, 2018 3:23 pm

Deadline is not three days, that's my bad.

I couldn't tell you why hyung is being voted. I think he's town. I think people are voting him for using up the official mod votecounts.

I'm voting arcangel as mostly a compromise lynch because i don't think 阿拉有难处 a lynch on my scumreads could go through.

northsidegal · Thu May 03, 2018 3:28 pm

I scumread Brian Skies for an attempted push on T-Bone that pinged me as being scummy in and of itself, but also incredibly similar to something he did in fakegod's upick game that ended recently. Describe it more in 1932

This is my rough readslist right now:

Spoiler:

I think if i'm wrong on a townread it would be lld.

northsidegal · Thu May 03, 2018 3:31 pm

2224?

It doesn't change my mind much, honestly.

northsidegal · Thu May 03, 2018 3:33 pm

I mean. I guess i chose my words poorly.

northsidegal · Thu May 03, 2018 3:35 pm

I don't really agree with your pushes. Perhaps that makes you scum, perhaps that means that i'm simply off on my reads.

northsidegal · Thu May 03, 2018 3:40 pm

I wish i could start this game over and play without missing any beats or having to go V/LA.

I feel like it's probably messed with my reads / ability to form reads.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 6:37 am

Is there some reason that we're taking a roleblock as a guilty? I'm vt.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 6:40 am

Alright, whatever. And here I was excited to start doing votecounts.

Annoyed my near-perfect non-mislynch history this year is getting ruined by this.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 6:41 am

In post 2378, Alisae wrote:
In post 2372, northsidegal wrote:Is there some reason that we're taking a roleblock as a guilty? I'm vt.
I would like some cool gifs plz zzz

Pedit: uhhh

Do you think, based on reads and not mechanics, that I'm scum?

Asking for future games.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 6:42 am

In post 2382, Alisae wrote:
In post 2380, northsidegal wrote:Alright, whatever. And here I was excited to start doing votecounts.

Annoyed my near-perfect non-mislynch history this year is getting ruined by this.
who are wolves?

Haven't re-read the thread after the flip to say specifically based on vecna scum, but I think my list from before still stands.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 6:44 am

In post 2387, Pine wrote:-You also won the votecounter role, which has fabulous utility for scum to manipulate things

This point is meaningless unless you're also making the claim that mutant and/or vax, my scumbuddies, voted me fore it.

-I roleblocked you, which would explain the stopped kill

Do you truly believe it's the only explanation?

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 6:45 am

In post 2389, Alisae wrote:
In post 2384, northsidegal wrote:
In post 2378, Alisae wrote:
In post 2372, northsidegal wrote:Is there some reason that we're taking a roleblock as a guilty? I'm vt.
I would like some cool gifs plz zzz

Pedit: uhhh
Do you think, based on reads and not mechanics, that I'm scum?

Asking for future games.
I can see you being a wolf via play.

Confidence level?

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 6:46 am

I mean.

I just think, especially having modded a game with a roleblocker and two other different ways for town to block kills, that it's just pretty lazy to instantly come to that sort of conclusion.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 6:47 am

In post 2397, Alisae wrote:Your insistance to keep me as a null read could be seen as unnatural and agenda based.

Are you implying that there are good reasons to townread you which I ignored yesterday? If so, please elaborate.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 6:48 am

Btw, that's not an answer to the "confidence level" question.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 6:52 am

In post 2403, Alisae wrote:
In post 2400, northsidegal wrote:
In post 2397, Alisae wrote:Your insistance to keep me as a null read could be seen as unnatural and agenda based.
Are you implying that there are good reasons to townread you which I ignored yesterday? If so, please elaborate.
Um... Yes I am literally obvious town imo.

This is pretty disingenuous, and I think you know it (not saying it makes you scum, I think town you says this too), especially coming from a Don Corleone.

Could you describe those reasons?

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 6:54 am

I resent the accusation that I was "active lurking" given that I was on V/LA for a week or more during Day 1, and I

still

made time for this game during that.

In post 2404, Pine wrote:I feel like Town!NSG would recognize the necessity of following this thread, even if it's wrong. See my reaction to being accused of being a SK as the Vig in NY211. When you're Town and you're falsely accused with very solid reasons, you accept the necessity of your own non-survival.

I've never accepted my own lynch as town.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 6:55 am

In post 2411, ArcAngel9 wrote:NSG - How do you expect us to speculate the no night kill from the mafia.

I expect people to be honest with themselves in that a roleblocker being the only explanation for a lack of a nightkill isn't likely (and, fmpov, is confirmed false).

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 6:57 am

In post 2406, Alisae wrote:Like I am not going to spoon feed you reasons as to why you should TR me, thats not my job. I know that I am way out of my wolfrange already by far.

Oh, come on. You say "it's suspicious that NSG isn't townreading me". I ask "why should I be townreading you? what are the reasons?"

You just saying "i'm way out of my wolfrange" isn't a valid response. You literally won a scummie for being good at scum. How can you honestly take it as a point of suspicion against me that I haven't locktowned you or something?

It's so annoying, it's like dealing with RC because I know you'd do this exact thing town or scum,

knowing

that it doesn't make sense.

But it doesn’t seem like you’re even trying to sort me so...

In what sense?

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 7:01 am

In post 2423, Alisae wrote:In the sense that this is probably the most meaningful conversation we had all game?

Well, that's confusing given that you used the present tense when you said I wasn't trying to sort you, if you were really referring to the past.

To that I wuold say that:
I don't necessarily need to directly interact with people to sort them, and
For people who I specifically know have good scumgames I intentionally take more of an observer role when trying to sort them as opposed to people whose alignment I feel I can determine through questioning and reactions.

I'd also disagree, I think we've talked plenty about your read vs my read on Vaxkiller and T-bone, for example.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 7:02 am

In post 2424, xRECKONERx wrote:either way, something stopped the kill, and pine's the best thing we have to go on so far

Why does it make more sense to you to immediately lynch me as opposed to waiting and seeing if more is revealed come later - say, when people claim roles?

Someone who has a role that could've also stopped the kill knows that this isn't a guilty on me, but if we lynch me today that person can do nothing to clear me.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 7:04 am

In post 2431, Alisae wrote:There’s no reason to right now unless you are really sure she is town via play.

No? This isn't true at all.

What reason

is

there to assume that roleblocker is the only way of preventing a kill?

By the way, my flavor is Downy Ultra Infusions Fabric Softener, Lavender Serenity, 103 oz

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 7:06 am

In post 2432, Alisae wrote:
In post 2430, northsidegal wrote:
In post 2424, xRECKONERx wrote:either way, something stopped the kill, and pine's the best thing we have to go on so far
Why does it make more sense to you to immediately lynch me as opposed to waiting and seeing if more is revealed come later - say, when people claim roles?

Someone who has a role that could've also stopped the kill knows that this isn't a guilty on me, but if we lynch me today that person can do nothing to clear me.
we’re not going to immediately quick lynch you over a roleblock that would be stupid.
Here have some proof of that.
UNVOTE:
So my vote will be on you in spirit while people can check in.

My main point wasn't simply "quick lynching", it was lynching me today at all.

Someone else out there has something that could've stopped the kill, but I'm not saying that they should claim. Waiting is what I'm suggesting.

I still want to know how confident you are that I'm scum by play.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 7:09 am

In post 2433, northsidegal wrote:
In post 2431, Alisae wrote:There’s no reason to right now unless you are really sure she is town via play.
No? This isn't true at all.

What reason
is
there to assume that roleblocker is the only way of preventing a kill?

By the way, my flavor is Downy Ultra Infusions Fabric Softener, Lavender Serenity, 103 oz

This is a point that I really want to emphasize, by the way.

Let's do some mathdino-esque Bayesian thinking here: Pine roleblocked me, and there wasn't a kill.

Now, is the probability that I'm scum who was sent to do the nightkill and got roleblocked greater than the probability that multiple roles exist that could potentially stop a kill?

I think it's really obvious looking at it this way that the answer is no.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 7:10 am

You're ignoring me, Alisae.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 7:13 am

In post 2446, Alisae wrote:
In post 2444, northsidegal wrote:You're ignoring me, Alisae.
I know you’re here I just feel like trolling AA9 atm.

i would appreciate if you would respond to me.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 7:15 am

In post 2450, Alisae wrote:And even then NSG I’m like, not that confident in my reads.
Like the thing I’m the most confident in is that {Gammagooey, LLD, Pine, Firebringer, Cheeky} all contain town with Vax as maybe town thats like it.

And how confident are you that a roleblocker is the only way a kill could have been prevented?

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 7:17 am

In post 2453, Alisae wrote:NSG I get your fucking point

I will talk you or anyone else either to death or until they realize that voting me makes no sense.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 7:18 am

In post 2455, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 2452, northsidegal wrote:
In post 2450, Alisae wrote:And even then NSG I’m like, not that confident in my reads.
Like the thing I’m the most confident in is that {Gammagooey, LLD, Pine, Firebringer, Cheeky} all contain town with Vax as maybe town thats like it.
And how confident are you that a roleblocker is the only way a kill could have been prevented?
If that's case, why did you claim that you're VT? What is the need?

You know something I don't believe VT is real in this game.

What??? I claimed VT because it's the truth.

I also want anyone who thinks I'm scum outside of the roleblock claim to make that clear.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 7:28 am

In post 2457, Alisae wrote:no it makes perfect sense.
The information that a block happened on someone with no kill is better information to proceed with then no information.

Other roles could have gotten in the way sure, but based off of the information presented in thread it is likely to assume that you are a wolf.

No?

Like, that's the level 0, surface level, ignore things that are incredibly likely assumption.

Do you want me to requote the "Bayesian" post? Because I don't think this actually responds to that.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 7:29 am

Like, why was this even framed as a "guilty" in the first place?

It's hardly even a soft guilty like a gunsmith or something.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 10:00 am

How would you leash a vt?

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 10:54 am

i can already tell this game is going to take a lot out of me.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 11:05 am

In post 2510, Brian Skies wrote:I'm still not sure if she knew the game didn't begin immediately or not

What at all was your point with this? I'm still wondering, i know you asked because of the votecount settings thing where i was too lazy to find the actual post where it started because it didn't matter.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 1:53 pm

In post 2536, CheekyTeeky wrote:I'm voting NSG because she's ignoring me. I've given her opportunity to openly analyse her wagon and rather than proving her PoV is townie she's flipping town off so you can say I'm justifing a bs wagon but you're going to need to point out how NSG is town based on her responses today instead of turning the tables on me after you rush to defend NSG after weakly scum reading her D1.

I'm not sure in what sense you think I'm "ignoring you" when there were about 14 minutes (and one post of mine) between you asking me a question and you voting me.

Like i said, i can tell that this is going to take a lot of energy from me. i'm just trying to find that within me before i start, because otherwise i'm just going to come out with something completely lackluster and probably with poor reads as well.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 1:54 pm

In post 2467, xRECKONERx wrote:we cant let you live until endgame regardless nsg and we have a rb on you at the same time as a no kill

like

even if you're town we can't let that live because the best we would get would be a doctor going "oh ok well i protected someone and so i guess i couldve stopped the kill" in which case we'd still need to lynch you first to confirm the doc/clear are town

For the record I disagree with this philosophy, but I doubt I'll change anyone's mind on it.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 1:56 pm

It's something that i see mathdino say a lot in games (certain setups, really), where VT claims "have to die" or something if someone claims vt, either by lynch or vig. (I know what you're saying isn't because of the VT claim, but the principle behind the two is the same, i feel)

I think it's only really true in something like AITP.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 2:02 pm

In post 2509, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 2507, northsidegal wrote:i can already tell this game is going to take a lot out of me.
What do you make of Pine using his RB on you as a guilty? How do you feel about the other votes on your wagon?

I haven't actually thought much about whether or not it makes sense for town!pine to have roleblocked me, or gone back through the thread to see if it's consistent with his stated beliefs.

It would be slightly egotistical of me to think that the scumteam decided specifically on faking a guilty on me just to remove me, especially given how i feel my play's been pretty underwhelming so far this game - that alone makes me feel that there's a good chance he's town. It's not impossible, but as for some big scumteam conspiracy to get rid of me, i really don't have anything to point towards it, so for right now it's probably just not true.

In post 2511, CheekyTeeky wrote:I think someone mentioned gamma being likely scum. I don't understand why BBmol would replace in just to bus his buddy. There was definitely something dodgy about how the wagon went from zero to 100 near EOD when it looked like it was previously impossible to lynch scum.

I think this makes it likely scum was off the wagon, with maybe one max on it, likely near the tail end of the wagon.

How can you say that it's dodgy that it got ran up so quickly and then say that scum was off of the wagon? Doesn't it being dodgy how fast this one got ran up indicate that scum

wanted

it to happen?

That's my initial impression, at least, thinking about it. There were plenty of random compromise wagons at the end of the day yesterday there - it's strange that the one on scum was the one that went through over any of the other ones. To me, that points to bussing.

In post 2514, CheekyTeeky wrote: As the vecna wagon seemed to come out of nowhere, I'd say Hyung was not a counter. Fire, BB, Pine likely town. Titus, PP, Reck are in the suspect spots. PP probably the worst for lurking until jumping on EOD.

NSG, Brian make sense as scum buddies off the wagon. AA9 probably town as much as I dislike her personal attacks. LLD, Ali and Mutant need further investigation.

What makes you think the people near the end of the wagon would be more likely to be scum? If we're going off the assumption that scum bussed, wouldn't it make more sense for them to be at the start? Scum don't need to be at the tail end of a wagon on a buddy popping up near deadline when none of the other EoD wagons went through to completion.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 2:03 pm

In post 2563, Pine wrote:Yeah, Town!NSG wouldn’t be happy, but she’d get the necessity. This is a scum response.

What are you basing this conclusion off of?

I can't remember a single time that I've accepted my own lynch as town. The opposite, in fact.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 2:06 pm

Subject: Micro 753: Votefuckery (Game Over)

northsidegal wrote:
In post 898, Sakura Hana wrote:As for seeing people being survivalistic as town... Well i dont see any reason for her to be survivalistic, her role seems more NU than you'd think, specially if she inherits something like ASP's or bee's role, or heck even mine or Sobolev's. She waited until I was tunneling her, to start complaining about me being a brick wall, instead of engaging me when i wasnt tunneling, doesnt feel like she ever wanted to sort me, and as a result, im gonna predict that she's gonna scumread me, she's been preparing for it for a while.
of course i'm being survivalistic - not only was pretty much the only wagon in the game on me, but also i know for a fact that i'm town. town should never accept their own lynch - it's like accepting a lynch on someone you have a cop innocent on. just because my role might not be the best doesn't mean i'm going to accept my own lynch. truthfully, i'd even accept someone i townread's lynch over my own. maybe it's selfish, but there's always the chance that i'm wrong about that person, whereas i know for a fact that i'm town.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 2:07 pm

In post 2568, Pine wrote:
In post 2566, northsidegal wrote:
In post 2563, Pine wrote:Yeah, Town!NSG wouldn’t be happy, but she’d get the necessity. This is a scum response.
What are you basing this conclusion off of?

I can't remember a single time that I've accepted my own lynch as town. The opposite, in fact.
It’s not a meta read on you. It’s a “this is good townplay” read.

I've already told you that I disagree with the thought that I "need" to die because of this.

Are you saying that I'm scum for disagreeing, or that my opinion is bad and I'm scum for having it or something?

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 2:09 pm

Regarding Brian Skies, I need to do more meta there I suppose. His changing his read on me from town to scum is

really

strange and gives me massive pings that he's trying to WK a lynch or buddy me from what he knows is a false "guilty". The thing is, if that's the case then it's almost certain he's not actually 1-shot BP, and saw the incredibly opportunity to give himself an excuse to live to endgame and semi-"clear" himself. What I'm not sure on is whether or not that's something he'd do as scum - it's a pretty bold play.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 2:11 pm

In post 2531, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 2528, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 2527, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 2526, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 2524, Brian Skies wrote:Are you going to answer the question or not?
You didn't answer mine so...
What did I not answer?
How is this important? And Ive given you as much as is genuine without forcing myself to provide extra reasons. I just remembered I felt a certain way after vecna flip and am sharing my opinion. Your push back at me is ridiculous.
There was a reason why I said what I did at the time.

I want to know why you have this impression that what I said was disingenuous or spewing too much information.

It is important because I feel like you're grasping at straws to legitimize NSG's wagon or at least NSG/myself as scumreads, and if you actually have good reasons to think the things you do (particularly this one), then I don't see why you can't just explain it.

If you think my response regarding Vecna was scummy, then I don't see why anyone (especially me) wouldn't be interested in knowing why.

Like this could easily be a WK, but it all hinges on whether or not Brian would do the BP claim thing as scum.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 2:13 pm

In post 2536, CheekyTeeky wrote:she's flipping town off

How, exactly?

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 2:15 pm

In post 2549, Titus wrote:
In post 2500, Firebringer wrote:My inventions can be used to pseudo leash a player.
I know that raises more questions but gamma can vouch for me

In post 2501, Firebringer wrote:Wait I mean Titus

I gave my invention to Titus
I got no UT pm.

Erm, any other thoughts, titus?

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 2:18 pm

{BBmolla, Gammagooey, Vaxkiller}
{Lady Lambdadelta, Firebringer, hyung, ArcAngel9, xRECKONERx}
{CheekyTeeky, PenguinPower, Pine, Alisae, Titus, Brian Skies}

mutantdevle?

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 2:22 pm

In post 2467, xRECKONERx wrote:we cant let you live until endgame regardless nsg and we have a rb on you at the same time as a no kill

like

even if you're town we can't let that live because the best we would get would be a doctor going "oh ok well i protected someone and so i guess i couldve stopped the kill" in which case we'd still need to lynch you first to confirm the doc/clear are town

Could we talk about this reck?

Like I said, I don't agree. What you're saying assumes that scum will never nightkill me in the first place, and i think it's reasonable and not too arrogant of me to say that at some point either it will be in their best interest to (due to being cleared from a scumflip), or it will just be benefitting town for them to leave me alive.

The doc point also doesn't really make sense to me? Like, i don't see how a doctor coming out and saying "actually i protected this person night one" later in the game gets resolved by my lynch at all. Could you elaborate on that?

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 2:22 pm

In post 2584, Alisae wrote:
In post 2583, northsidegal wrote:{BBmolla, Gammagooey, Vaxkiller}
{Lady Lambdadelta, Firebringer, hyung, ArcAngel9, xRECKONERx}
{CheekyTeeky, PenguinPower, Pine, Alisae, Titus, Brian Skies}

mutantdevle?
LLD should be locked clear

Why?

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 2:26 pm

In post 2587, Alisae wrote:
In post 2586, northsidegal wrote:
In post 2584, Alisae wrote:
In post 2583, northsidegal wrote:{BBmolla, Gammagooey, Vaxkiller}
{Lady Lambdadelta, Firebringer, hyung, ArcAngel9, xRECKONERx}
{CheekyTeeky, PenguinPower, Pine, Alisae, Titus, Brian Skies}

mutantdevle?
LLD should be locked clear
Why?
The way vecna gave into me asking for t-bone votes makes LLD look really fucking good

Oh, kind of forgot LLD was T-Bone, that should be on the top row.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 2:30 pm

In post 2589, xRECKONERx wrote: doc protection is likely a town clear if you're actually vt

and yes i think it's arrogant to say that scum would waste a kill on a vt slot that has potential night actions indicating they may be scum

How could doc protection be a clear given that someone else has already claimed another role that could've potentially stopped the nightkill?

We're already at the point where it's publicly known (as opposed to just known to me) that there was another way the NK could've been stopped other than the roleblock. If someone claims doc later in the game, the fact that I've already flipped VT doesn't make it confirmed when there's still ambiguity due to the BP claim.

I don't really follow how that could be a town clear.

Like i said, maybe arrogant, but hopefully not too arrogant. I think i'm known for generally being obviously town and i think i have decent enough reads (especially as of recent) that either i will become obviously town by scum flip or scum will actively be hurting themselves by leaving me alive.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 2:39 pm

In post 2595, xRECKONERx wrote: im just saying we cant even confirm brian's

like okay

options
- you're scum, we lynch scum
- you're vt, we lynch vt, we know brian skies is town and scum have to waste another shot killing the came person
- you're vt, we lynch vt, there's another claim out there and now we know it or the bp claim are true

imo the loss of a vt that will be a constant mislynch target in exchange for game-relevant setup info is perfectly acceptable as a worst case scenario

I'm working within the context of the third option there because i know 1 is wrong and 2 seems exceedingly unlikely to me:

Is the information that at least one of two claims must be true worth having one less townie in the game and going into the night phase? Because I don't think it is at all. It's not as if it

prevents

scum from in any meaningful way fakeclaiming something.

What's more, the only reason that i think i could be called a constant mislynch target would be people falsely taking the roleblock as a guilty. Anyone thinking that the roleblock makes me more likely to be scum should share the viewpoint that it is equally likely that the lack of a kill makes Brian Skies confirmed town - simply going off of mechanics that is. If you scumread me by play, it's an entirely different point - the thing is, nobody (or at least, not many people) seem to scumread me by play, and i think that's something that can remain the same or even improve further on into the game.

So basically, the information gained from my lynch honestly seems pretty useless, and I think the only reason I could even be called a "constant mislynch target" would be people choosing to believe that the roleblock makes me scum over the equally likely possibility that it makes Brian Skies conftown? (Equally likely just going off of setup, which you've said you are)

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 2:40 pm

In post 2596, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 2575, northsidegal wrote:Like this could easily be a WK, but it all hinges on whether or not Brian would do the BP claim thing as scum.
I feel like scum-me just doesn't claim and hopes that you get mislynched and/or someone claims doc or something and I get free town PR's to kill.

Can you link me times you've fakeclaimed before as scum?

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 2:42 pm

{BBmolla, Gammagooey, Vaxkiller, Lady Lambdadelta, Pirate Mollie}
{Firebringer, hyung, xRECKONERx}
{CheekyTeeky, PenguinPower, Pine, Alisae, Titus, Brian Skies}

mutantdevle?

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 2:50 pm

In post 2602, Vaxkiller wrote:Consider my vote on NSG, jsut want to keep the convo going

Why?

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 2:52 pm

northsidegal (5):

Pine, xRECKONERx, Pirate Mollie, BBmolla, CheekyTeeky

CheekyTeeky (1):

Brian Skies

Not voting (10):

PenguinPower, mutantdevle, Pine, Gammagooey, hyung, Firebringer, Titus, Vaxkiller, northsidegal, Alisae, Lady Lambdadelta

With 16 alive, it’s 9 to lynch.

Votecounter notes

:
Firebringer is V/LA until friday.
If I have your vote in the wrong spot, please let me know.
I’m town

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 2:53 pm

Like serious question there to Vax.

Anyone still voting me for the roleblock should explain to me why they're assuming it's a guilty over assuming that Brian Skies was the one who was shot.

In post 2603, Firebringer wrote:So looks like I got redirected to Pine.
Someone better take credit for that redirect or I am assuming any redirect claim later is a scum claim.

That's interesting.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 2:54 pm

Oh I have pine there twice, he's voting me.

If only I could edit that.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 2:56 pm

In post 2606, Firebringer wrote:
In post 2600, northsidegal wrote:{BBmolla, Gammagooey, Vaxkiller, Lady Lambdadelta, Pirate Mollie}
{Firebringer, hyung, xRECKONERx}
{CheekyTeeky, PenguinPower, Pine, Alisae, Titus, Brian Skies}

mutantdevle?
Put me up to town or I will join ur wagon.

Thanks friendo

Fine, I guess I should mostly get rid of my nulls anyways.

{BBmolla, Gammagooey, Vaxkiller, Lady Lambdadelta, Pirate Mollie, Firebringer, hyung, xRECKONERx}
{CheekyTeeky, PenguinPower, Pine, Alisae, Titus, Brian Skies}

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 3:00 pm

We don't, the role PMs were just sample.

In post 1, Untrod Tripod wrote:Sample Role PMs (Only Town and Mafia are guaranteed to be in the game):

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 3:01 pm

In post 2623, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 2615, northsidegal wrote:{CheekyTeeky, PenguinPower, Pine, Alisae, Titus, Brian Skies}
Explain why Pine is claiming roleblocker as scum?

I mean, i can't divine whatever his potential scum motivation or plan would be, but i don't think it makes him confirmed town.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 3:04 pm

In post 2627, Alisae wrote:
In post 2624, northsidegal wrote:We don't, the role PMs were just sample.
In post 1, Untrod Tripod wrote:Sample Role PMs (Only Town and Mafia are guaranteed to be in the game):
Yes I am aware of this.

It's just what I assumed vax was going off of.

In post 2628, Alisae wrote:
In post 2625, northsidegal wrote:
In post 2623, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 2615, northsidegal wrote:{CheekyTeeky, PenguinPower, Pine, Alisae, Titus, Brian Skies}
Explain why Pine is claiming roleblocker as scum?
I mean, i can't divine whatever his potential scum motivation or plan would be, but i don't think it makes him confirmed town.
I think Vecna’s progression on Pine and Fire indicate that they are town.

Could you quote / explain that for me?

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 3:05 pm

In post 2626, CheekyTeeky wrote:Right...

Thoughts on 2565?

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 3:13 pm

In post 2635, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 2452, northsidegal wrote:
In post 2450, Alisae wrote:And even then NSG I’m like, not that confident in my reads.
Like the thing I’m the most confident in is that {Gammagooey, LLD, Pine, Firebringer, Cheeky} all contain town with Vax as maybe town thats like it.
And how confident are you that a roleblocker is the only way a kill could have been prevented?
But if it were prevented any other way town would say so, like BP or heal or something... or at least there would be some opposition with people not wanting to claim maybe.

Brian Skies has already claimed 1-shot Bulletproof.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 4:29 pm

How am I "ate-ing"? You're the second person to say that.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 4:38 pm

I feel like both Pine and Reck are ignoring what I said.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 4:41 pm

it's 2598.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 5:01 pm

In post 2697, xRECKONERx wrote:we have a dead scum already
ill take playing the long game of having more info / verifiable claims later over "oh gee gosh please dont lynch the vt on the off-chance she's not lying about her role and wasn't actually roleblocked"

My point is that my lynch doesn't actually provide any more space for verifiable claims given Brian's claim. If someone claims, say, doctor later in the game, my having been lynched has a pretty much negligible relationship to the verifiability of that claim.

Also, lol at "off-chance".

you're missing the point -- we don't know that the roleblock is a guilty. we don't know it's not. we do know it's SOMETHING.
it's something that tells us something. and your lynch can provide that information.

brian skies wont ever know if he was actually shot or not until he dies or is endgamed. we can't get info about him except by lynching him
but we CAN get info about what happened last night by lynching you

it's simple

Okay, I'm lynched and flip VT.

The information we get about what happened last night is....

Hm.

What, exactly?

Well, you could assume that it means that scum shot Brian, but there could still be another protective role out there.
"Information lynches" are garbage.

Like, if you're thinking that from an objective standpoint (not taking into account reads) it's equally probably that pine roleblocked me as that Brian was shot, I still utterly fail to see the purpose of lynching me.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 5:02 pm

In post 2707, Pine wrote:NSG flips Town: We know Brian is Town (or at least not Mafia), and that his BP is expired.

No? I don't see why you would assume that another protective role doesn't exist.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 5:09 pm

In post 2716, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 2713, northsidegal wrote:Well, you could assume that it means that scum shot Brian, but there could still be another protective role out there.
"Information lynches" are garbage.

Like, if you're thinking that from an objective standpoint (not taking into account reads) it's equally probably that pine roleblocked me as that Brian was shot, I still utterly fail to see the purpose of lynching me.
You need to pick a stance on me.

You can't both use my claim as a reason to discredit the roleblock on you AND try to fish out another claim.

Never have I tried to fish for another claim. That's an utter falsehood - multiple times I have stated that another protective role, should it exist, should not claim.

I don't need to "discredit" the roleblock - it's

literally unambiguous

that from an objective standpoint and, assuming your claim is true, Pine's roleblock on me is absolutely not any sort of "guilty". That's factual. It's not a "discredit".

In post 2717, CheekyTeeky wrote:Why would there be 3 protective roles and no kill? That boggles my mind but I have no experience with modding so I'm going to try to meta the mod, but like rationally too many protectives is a yuck factor to me.

Third? Only one has been claimed, I'm suggesting a second could exist.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 5:09 pm

Cheeky the fact that you still have your vote on me for "ignoring you" doesn't sit well with me.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 5:11 pm

In post 2721, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 2719, northsidegal wrote:Third? Only one has been claimed, I'm suggesting a second could exist.
Roleblock & BP makes two no?

I don't consider a roleblocker to be a protective role. In terms of roles that could potentially stop a kill I don't see why three is unreasonable but I don't necessarily have a reason to believe that there are three over just two right now.

I modded a game where there were three roles that could stop a kill.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 5:14 pm

In post 2722, xRECKONERx wrote:if you're town: it forces scum to kill brian because brian is basically conftown now (or will be treated as such)

This relies on the assumption that Brian was the target of the scum NK.

even if we manage to come back from this and 100% agree that you're town, scum won't kill you, and when lylo starts closing in suddenly it's "oop hey remember that thing with nsg early in the game"

because if you're town and vt, you have no way to clear yourself.

I disagree, as I've already said.

Why would scum not be able to kill me if theoretically everyone agreed that I was town?

What's more, there's always such thing as becoming clear from associations of a scum flip.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 5:16 pm

In post 2725, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 2719, northsidegal wrote:Never have I tried to fish for another claim. That's an utter falsehood - multiple times I have stated that another protective role, should it exist, should not claim.

I don't need to "discredit" the roleblock - it's literally unambiguous that from an objective standpoint and, assuming your claim is true, Pine's roleblock on me is absolutely not any sort of "guilty". That's factual. It's not a "discredit".
I get that you were scumreading me before this, but I feel like you're more interested in keeping me open as a lynch option than understanding why I claimed.

Also, there's no guarantee there's another protective or other role that could have interfered with the NK.

But you're stating that:
1) You're town
2) I could be scum
3) There could be another role that prevented the kill

It's like you're trying to move the wagon from you onto me, while at the same time trying to draw out another claim as you do so.

Why in the world would I be moving the wagon

onto

you, even if I were scum?

I'm literally pointing out what I perceive to be flaws in people's reasoning from an objective standpoint, because that way people can understand it not just looking at it from the PoV of me being town.

All of those numbered things you listed are objective truths.

No, you can't possibly say that I'm trying to draw out another claim when multiple times I've said that people shouldn't claim.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 5:20 pm

In post 2726, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 2720, northsidegal wrote:Cheeky the fact that you still have your vote on me for "ignoring you" doesn't sit well with me.
I think you're scum it sits fine from my pov. You'll also see my lean towards you being scum after brian vote hopped onto you the second time.

The more brian posts though the more I think mutant is your partner if you're scum because of your early defense of him.

I think there's enough info for a quick lynch not to matter today tbh.

Do you really believe this?

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 5:22 pm

In post 2733, Pine wrote:Yeah, the most damning evidence is that in NSG were Town, she's AT LEAST acknowledge the rationality in what Reck's saying. Instead she's trying to handwave it away

This is classic scumflailing

FIREBRINGER do I put these glasses on or not? If they fry my brain I will be holding you responsible

Wow, this post nearly made me lose my demeanor.

I'll say the same thing to you I said to RC when he's being crazy -

disagreeing with someone is not "handwaving", or "ignoring", or anything else.

Disagreeing with someone is disagreeing. You may see rationality in what reck's saying. I don't.

That doesn't make me scum.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 5:22 pm

VOTE: CHEEKYTEEKY

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 5:24 pm

In post 2749, Firebringer wrote:
In post 2747, northsidegal wrote:VOTE: CHEEKYTEEKY
Is this a joke?

Want to see how it plays out.

From memory she hasn't really pushed any solid reads that she's seemed to really believe in, which I expect from town cheeky. Add on her weird relation to Vecna and her weird reason for hopping on my wagon, it makes me feel fine about it.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 5:26 pm

In post 2753, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 2731, northsidegal wrote:Why in the world would I be moving the wagon onto you, even if I were scum?

I'm literally pointing out what I perceive to be flaws in people's reasoning from an objective standpoint, because that way people can understand it not just looking at it from the PoV of me being town.

All of those numbered things you listed are objective truths.

No, you can't possibly say that I'm trying to draw out another claim when multiple times I've said that people shouldn't claim.
Not so much moving the wagon as trying to keep me open as a lynch option. You're acknowledging that my claim supports a 'you-town' scenario, but you're also (or were) actively pushing the idea that you thought Town-Me claiming here was
unlikely
.

So what you're saying is that you don't like that I haven't locktowned you yet?

And you can't see how me not locktowning you is completely reasonable from my point of view?

And that's ignoring how I've detailed my thought process on how you're either very likely town or scum making a really bold play by fakeclaiming here,

and

how I asked you for meta on you fakeclaiming as scum?

The way you're pushing it also feels like you want some sort of confirmation that there are or aren't other roles that could have interfered with the role, which kind of feels like drawing out other PR's.

You can't keep saying this. I don't know how many times you want me to repeat it - i don't want anyone else to claim.

northsidegal · Tue May 08, 2018 5:27 pm

None of the 9 players who end the day on my wagon can claim to scumread me in the next game we play together.