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What no! I hate voting town so I'm not going to vote town you see? I will vote only the scum as the good towny I am. UnlikeIn post 24, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:I already claimed town, do you like voting town? Only scum votes town.youI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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But you're voting me and I am also town so we have an issue!In post 27, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:
But i claimed town and you're voting me!In post 25, MariaR wrote:
What no! I hate voting town so I'm not going to vote town you see? I will vote only the scum as the good towny I am. UnlikeIn post 24, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:I already claimed town, do you like voting town? Only scum votes town.you
I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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I don't think the miller really needs to be talked on and should just focus on the play of said miller. It can be a fake claim but that doesn't mean it's a scum fake claim either. Just focus on day play and if something comes up we can talk about it.
Pedit: Well I assumed my very town first post would've shown you I was town!
UNVOTE:
Pedit: HUH? That wasn't my goal (I did want a reaction but notthattype)I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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I was just looking to see if you'd act sketchy/squeamish about it...although perhaps I should've said srs vote after a few more posts cause maybe it was obv I was trying to get a reaction. Reeeee
Pedit: I trust everyone until you give me a reason not tooI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Eh I just want to get out of RVS I'm hyped about this game and the talk of miller play that comes down to throwing opinions around isn't really my style. We'll get a serious vote and time I guess I just won't be the one to do it...maybeIn post 41, Alchemist21 wrote:
Nah the trick is to withhold your vote until that person makes even a mildly substantial post, then throw it down and say Serious Vote. It's a known trick but still works. The catch is that you're more likely to get reactions from other people who want to know why rather than the actual target.In post 38, MariaR wrote:I was just looking to see if you'd act sketchy/squeamish about it...although perhaps I should've said srs vote after a few more posts cause maybe it was obv I was trying to get a reaction. Reeeee
Pedit: I trust everyone until you give me a reason not tooI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Last time you came at me we know how that ended you sure ya wanna try againIn post 45, Ramcius wrote:
VOTE: MariaRIn post 44, MariaR wrote:
Eh I just want to get out of RVS I'm hyped about this game and the talk of miller play that comes down to throwing opinions around isn't really my style. We'll get a serious vote and time I guess I just won't be the one to do it...maybeIn post 41, Alchemist21 wrote:
Nah the trick is to withhold your vote until that person makes even a mildly substantial post, then throw it down and say Serious Vote. It's a known trick but still works. The catch is that you're more likely to get reactions from other people who want to know why rather than the actual target.In post 38, MariaR wrote:I was just looking to see if you'd act sketchy/squeamish about it...although perhaps I should've said srs vote after a few more posts cause maybe it was obv I was trying to get a reaction. Reeeee
Pedit: I trust everyone until you give me a reason not too
i like RVS, so you just became my enemyPUNK?I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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My question is why add 2 millers in the first place if both the flavor on the miller part would conf them they'd become masons within the matter of moments it feels too simple.
Perhaps that's the whole wifom trick gif wanted us to play around?I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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I don't think we should've went into full detail on this until both millers claimed flavor but I still somewhat want to play it as is on day play not night play because the 2 miller thing just has a lot of wifom stuff in it that we can't really solve on our own.I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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I would rather wilky claim first myself because his whole way of going at it gives me bad vibes that I can't really explain compared to daveI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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I don't think anyone (nor should) is saying that we must lynch in the millers it was mostly "out guess the mod" and wifom based on flavor. I think reading on the play itself is what's more important. I'm willing to join the Wilky wagon but It's not for the miller claiim more so his rxn to the whole thing also I assume in a game like fall out there would be fake claims? so I don't really like RC's vote reason for Wilky.
VOTE: Wilky
Pedit: You fact you unvoted with vote tags and voted with bold triggers meI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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In post 70, wilky wrote:I mean I brought up the flavour thing and even pointed to which part of the PM it is contained within. As scum I wouldn't know that information if everyone wants me to claim first then that's fine by me.
I was also working off the assumption that there would only be 1 miller tbh and was aiming to catch dave out already but going by what's been said 2 millers is something the mod would definitely do so i'm now beginning to believe both me and dave are millers here.
These pinged me as scummy stuff with tmi trying to withhold info. And even without the miller claims I don't really like his tone about the whole miller situation in the first place. Why are you voting Ank? For pressure or because you sr them? I don't think just voting will hurry them up with whatever they're doing.In post 87, wilky wrote:So we're just assuming that safe claims are given now?I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Me saying I don't like your reasoning wasn't me sring you I just think you're voting them for the wrong seasons but your end goal is correct.In post 109, Ouroboros wrote:WRT Maria, not a fan of her voting with me while simultaneously saying something about how she doesn't like my reasons for voting himI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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I don't expect RC to respect my opinion much tbh. I think he got to the answer. I just disagree with how he got there hopefully he doesn't tunnel because well...I don't want to deal with that he knows why. I believe him when he says he tried a new way to read me I'm interested in the result he comes up with I'm most likely not lynching him d1 for at least my curiosity. I do want to get this miller talk done with so we can move on to more productive matters because people are just saying "oh yes I agree" or stating what they think about it. This isn't helping it's not doing anything it's leaving the game state in a stale manner. This doesn't help my new style at all.In post 146, Alchemist21 wrote:
Before I forget, I think this post is a bit problematic. Disagreeing with someone's reasons but disregarding those differences because it's the "correct" target seems like a redflag for someone with a more tunnely mindset. You need to understand and analyze the reasons with people you're voting alongside.In post 126, MariaR wrote:
Me saying I don't like your reasoning wasn't me sring you I just think you're voting them for the wrong seasons but your end goal is correct.In post 109, Ouroboros wrote:WRT Maria, not a fan of her voting with me while simultaneously saying something about how she doesn't like my reasons for voting him
Maybe I'm assuming too much about your style and tendencies but potential Town-tunneling is something I want to address sooner rather than later.I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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VOTE: NeroIn post 227, Dunnstral wrote:Because focusing on negative utility roles is a distraction and is the kind of thing I'd expect scum to be doing if both millers were townI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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I haven't commented on Ram on purpose. I rather not speak on Ram atm if a wagon keeps going I'll comment but for now I rather shut up about him due to my own reasons.In post 255, Alchemist21 wrote:@MariaRWhat's your read/opinion on Ramcius right now? You seem to have played with them before but you popped in with the Nero vote and haven't commented on Ram's actions and wagon.I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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How do people feel about Alch? I don't think I'm bias tring that slot. (seems rather obv town) but some people have said he's scummy so I want to know where that came fromI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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I don't get how town Nero can get "oh 3 people claim neg utility so scum has to be fake claiming" without thinking if that's the case town has to have some great stuff or scum are underpowered etc etc.
Scum nero thinking that and using it as an agenda to push something makes a lot more sense though imo.I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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In post 261, Nero Cain wrote:
y are you claiming to know what I think?In post 259, MariaR wrote:I don't get how town Nero can get "oh 3 people claim neg utility so scum has to be fake claiming" without thinking if that's the case town has to have some great stuff or scum are underpowered etc etc.
Scum nero thinking that and using it as an agenda to push something makes a lot more sense though imo.In post 222, Nero Cain wrote:He's claiming a neg utility role. Hiders are weak by nature, he's saying that GIF has nerfed the role and made it not weak. The idea of 3 neg utility roles irks me. There is a fake claimer in this group.I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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You're saying I can't find that genuine when from my "join date" I didn't know why you thought that so why did you just think "oh it's a scum thought process" right away? Also just because you point to wiki and find a role weak doesn't mean it can't be in the game that's not the issue at hand here. The issue is you're saying 3 roles 1 has to be a fake claim in them via scum and that's the agenda you're pushing that I have a problem with it's not me saying you don't think hiders are weak I don't really care about that. I just don't get why you closed off the thought of "oh maybe they could all be town" Do you sr people in the group besides the claims? I see you tr wilk because you don't see scum him ccing but what do you feel about dave and tchi play wise?If I didn't want to answer a question of yours nero I would just openly say I'm not answering it (B
Talk to me on this
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Nero I am doing none of the things you're saying you're just making stuff up at this point. I'll sum it up in a nice pretty bow for you.
I know what you said about hiders being objectively weak I said that in the first place. I think theagendaand themotiveyou are pushing is scummy. You saying "oh one of them has to be fake"your words not mineto me was really scummy. The argument of "why can't I be town/scum who thinks (put statement here)" is wifom because any statement made in the history of mafia can be made by town or scum you just need to look at the actions behind it and come to your own answer of "do you think that is more likely to come from town or scum?" You said that hider is a weak role along with the 2 millers so you think scum has to be fake claiming and then started to vote in said 3. Could town think this? Of course they could but can scum be trying to line up ml's? Yes yes they can and that's the line I am going down rn
The logic does not seem well thought out it feels like you're scum just trying to find an easy ml and when I questioned you on this you did the following:
Shaded my join date and used it as an excuse
Put words in my mouth when I clearly did not say the statement you've said
Have openly said false statements about me.
Instead of:
Trying to figure out my alignment
Explaining your read to the rest of the crowd
I never said the 2nd part seeIn post 269, Nero Cain wrote:guess the real question is why can't I, as town, think there's a fake claimer in 3 neg utility roles? I guess the other question is why do you think all 3 are town and they aren't fakeclaiming.thisis putting words into someones mouth just because I am voting you because of something I dislike does not mean I throw my other logic on wilky out the window
Alright if that is all I'm done this convo and have fruit to eat.
Pedit: Wait I heard Mislynch and RC I like where this is GOING also RC how confident do you feel your new style is that you can read me you...know how I feel given recent games with youI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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I'm slowly turning ok with a ram wagon considering he was aIn post 470, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Also can anyone confirm that's something Ram does on every game?lotmore cocky and less team playerish/excuses like he's trying now I was biting my tongue cause I was just waiting for him to do something but hey.
I'm coming around to Ram and that vote on Nero was bad so I might take back my nero srI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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that was 4 pages of my time wasted
back to lurking I go and pretending I have a good read on VentI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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sureeeeIn post 605, Ouroboros wrote:Maria if you don't have a strong read one way or the other I'd appreciate it if you sheeped someone who does aka me.
VOTE: ventI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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I'm trying this new thing where I have everyone as town until they give me reason otherwise (tbh it's harder then normal) and wellIn post 612, Ramcius wrote:
i thought we were friends...In post 611, MariaR wrote:Wilky>Ram>??? (this one is hidden)>Nero
I thought otherwise
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there obv town yes just being massive hypocritesIn post 621, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:I think ETL is town.I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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exactly~In post 624, ManWithNoName wrote:
And assholes to boot.In post 623, MariaR wrote:
there obv town yes just being massive hypocritesIn post 621, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:I think ETL is town.I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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You're just being a jerk when you told someone to stop doing said thing to you. I wouldn't ever jump on you because it's "popular" I don't know if you mean it or not but you're just being an outright jerk with your comments and it's rather sickeningI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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HUH-le sigh okIn post 778, Ouroboros wrote:Maria go read dunnstral pls love uI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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yep. Thought I made this clearIn post 806, Alchemist21 wrote:
So what I got from Maria was that you think it’s fishy that there are so many neg utility roles and focusing on that and aren’t considering the chance that we do have those neg utility roles and Town has powerful roles to compensate. Also I’m pretty sure she was talking about weak roles as in they are underpowered or neg utility not as in the modifier Weak, which is probably a source of legit misunderstanding.In post 710, Nero Cain wrote:
I mean, there was maybe a little misunderstanding on my part.In post 684, Alchemist21 wrote:
Tone-wise I'm Townreading Maria. The sheep onto Nero while ignoring Ram seemed sketchy, but since I was Townreading her before that I'm willing to give benefit of the doubt when she says she was waiting for something. Also the original position is something that could come from either Town or scum so it didn't change my read.In post 503, Impossibear wrote:At first, I thought the argument Maria was making against Nero was kind of lame and suggested to me an ulterior agenda. Nero's reaction matched what I was thinking. I hadn't liked many of Maria's posts to begin with and Nero's posts came across to me like aggravated town.
After speaking with Jingle about that particular interaction, I agree with him that both sides are rather NAI. Jingle says that kind of logic is par for the course for Maria, and after thinking about it some more, I could see Nero having that reaction as either alignment. The aggressive tone of the reaction specifically could definitely come from scum, but I had been leaning more towards town on that as I originally felt.
In short, they're both actually pretty null as I can't decide if it's alignment-indicative at all now.
For Nero, it looks like he was the one putting words in Maria's mouth while accusing her of doing the same. It was possible he just misunderstood her posts, but when he attacked her join date it felt like a cheap shot to me and to say it was deflection when Maria called him on it was some bull. It felt like Nero just wanted to attack and push Maria rather than engage her in good faith.
like this is not something I'm thinking or have expressed an opinion on it. I know 2 town roles, maybe 4 since I'm coming around to the idea of using two millers. Its not enough for me to know whether or not the town is weak or strong and I can't tell you about the nature of the scumteam.In post 259, MariaR wrote:without thinking if that's the case town has to have some great stuff or scum are underpowered etc etc.
How is that NOT putting words into my mouth?
I had felt like her quoting my 222 was a misrep of the usage of the word weak there and her trying to claim that I'm calling hiders weak and thus the town weak.
She's basicly sheeping Dunn here but adding on some strongly worded hot air. If she thinks I'm scummy that I felt it was a very strong possibility that one of Dave or Tchill was scum that got CCed/fakeclaimed then fine but she's trying hard to make it seem like she's not sheeping Dunn. I don't really understand why she thinks I think
and why it makes sense to you. Explain it to me like I'm 3.In post 259, MariaR wrote:without thinking if that's the case town has to have some great stuff or scum are underpowered etc etc.
my fav is my facial expression a lot of this game (not why I picked it but it fits)I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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*shrug* I guess I don't get why it takes people for a loop when they see 2 of the same claim. I ran into the same issue before in a game got n1ed for being a voice of reason. Remind me what your stance of the 2 players in question are play wise?I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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RC trying to control d1 is normal. I'll be waiting for a certain moment in time and depending on his reaction I'll prob 1v1 him or have him as "town"I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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tldr I got from this
Vent had posts saved in notepad or some shit
and they have to be scum because of it orrrrI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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*shrug* fair point as someone who uses notepad to write down my thoughts sometime I normally do *looks at post hits quote button writes down thought moves on* Instead of the whole 1 post at a time shit.
I don't really think it's NAI but if it helps get vent lynched s u r eI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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I'ma go play league and when I come back and see vent lynched I'ma go like "I 100% was really confident in my vent sr" to get tr haha
Pedit: FairI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Hrm.
You mind getting copped RC?
Pedit: I don't think you'd sr me here unless you were scum atm but we'll seeI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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I'll go into full reads tomorrow cliff notes for now
Pedit: There's 1 scum in Ram/Nero find that out. Wraith isn't scumI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Wraith's tone is towny as fuck and isn't going for town cred imo. Don't see him being scum
Pedit: You owe me a lynch remember? I don't really know or care what vent flips I'm getting my way~I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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I'm gonna give you a list. You read it over
I want a reads list from you in the am on these people and a lynch order.
Got it?~I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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mhm I'm sureIn post 1010, Ouroboros wrote:W/e I stand by top 4 townreads that's what I want sticking to tomorrow
Maria I am like never alive tomorrow lol
Dunnstral
Wilky
Hebi
Alchemist
Ram
Nero
RealmanI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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This play is weird because I still have people on quote on quote "town" because their posts haven't really affected me, But that just feels weird.
Pedit: I'll want more details in the am RC~I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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