Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[Ankamius]

I'm not convinced on Dave at all.

[Ankamius]

Kokichi join us on Dunnstral

[Ankamius]

where's REALMEN

[Ankamius]

oh that makes sense

ok carry on

I'm going to take a nap since I finally have a chance to get some sleep

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Projectmatt

?

Why is this alive

[Ankamius]

Well whatever

See you in another fifteen pages

[Ankamius]

You understand that OTM wants to chainlynch town, right?
Giving in is not going to do jack shit for town except cause more of the same.

[Ankamius]

Anyways

Dunnstral wagon ho

[Ankamius]

I approve of dunnstral wagon

ETL

VOTE: Dunnstral

I'm not opposed to a Dunn wagon. Still prefer a Tchill wagon though.

Even with the roleblock claim I don't really want to lynch Dave since there are a few other ways to explain the missing NK.

VOTE: Dunnstral

I love you guys

[Ankamius]

I'm not opposed to a Dunn wagon. Still prefer a Tchill wagon though.

Even with the roleblock claim I don't really want to lynch Dave since there are a few other ways to explain the missing NK.

VOTE: Dunnstral

You especially

You get it

[Ankamius]

I LOVE MECHANICS

I love being alive to solve games via mechanics.
It's literally my thing. If

all town

scum

in a mechanics heavy game who give information to me give correct

-sounding

information (and preferably full at some point)

scum

town

need to be lucky to have any hope.

Corrected that for you, now it accurately represents how this works most of the time on this site.

[Ankamius]

Also what exactly is the basis of these projectmatt scumreads again?

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: Dunnstral
VOTE: Ramcius

[Ankamius]

lol rekt

[Ankamius]

Am I needed for anything specific before I go back to sleep

[Ankamius]

obv

[Ankamius]

oops I forgot about that... feature

Ank I feel you arent being as aggressive as you were as town last game, so I'm just gonna change you to slight town lean for now

I'm not aggressive this game because I'm not playing to obvtown.

[Ankamius]

Are you referring to my tone or what

[Ankamius]

Because if it's tone, then that game doesn't exist since the vast majority of my games are when I wasn't on medications.

[Ankamius]

Ok then

good night everyone

[Ankamius]

Hi Punreader!

RC I'll analyze the case later, hold me to it

[Ankamius]

Yeah just seeing the response is enough for me

I'll still analyze the case later but I suspect the nero stuff is for him being himself

[Ankamius]

RC are you voting Ram

[Ankamius]

I'm certain it has already

[Ankamius]

What wagon

[Ankamius]

Because the game is solvable without it

[Ankamius]

No it's because the game is solvable by mechanics so talking isn't necessary

[Ankamius]

I was being sarcastic

Either way I don't see why we have to sort the nightkill shit today when we can be advancing everyone's individual reads and sort it later, which also helps not destroy the game in the process

[Ankamius]

I'm probably being too mean by this point but I still don't understand the thought process behind it

This kind of game state benefits scum more than town in almost all cases

[Ankamius]

And that doesn't give info in of itself?

While also helping everyone who doesn't care about it still care about the game?

Davesaz death does fuck all for my reads because I don't find the case on him convincing enough and I don't have a read on him that makes me want him dead anyways.

So

[Ankamius]

Why Mark

Why do that when we are imploding enough as it is

[Ankamius]

Actually let's play this game too

Why is your claim trustworthy enough to sheep blindly, ignoring how dubious the guilty is

[Ankamius]

Tbh

I could try to lead except I can't yell over very loud people

They hard counter me

[Ankamius]

To Mark, Wraith

[Ankamius]

Actually let's play this game too

Why is your claim trustworthy enough to sheep blindly, ignoring how dubious the guilty is

That feeling when you get ignored for the slot suggesting a similar thing

Feels bad

[Ankamius]

Dave Wraith ProjectMatt Ank RC ETL Kokichi should have all the scums I think

Wtf are these reads

[Ankamius]

Mark did you read the game

[Ankamius]

You have 3 obvtown and 2 likely town in there

And that's without counting myself

???

[Ankamius]

Basically you're either way off and I'm correct that this is shit for the game, our I'm very off base because... wait for it... this Dave tunnel is just the latest event drowning out the rest of the game and preventing me from getting reads!

[Ankamius]

Or you're just scum I guess

That would explain the reads pretty well actually

[Ankamius]

Compare reads with me when you're back matt

I still need to solidify a bunch of them

[Ankamius]

Or you're just scum I guess

That would explain the reads pretty well actually

At this point I'm honestly on the fence with whether RC radically changing their reads every five minutes is just RC being RC or deliberate muddying of the water. This game is maddening because there's so much noise I can't focus.

That was also to Mark

[Ankamius]

Or you're just scum I guess

That would explain the reads pretty well actually

Lol

We’ve been over this I cannot be scum.

You’re either not reading the game or just desperate because I suspected you.

You omgus is showing.

I gotta go but that’s my needs to die pile

Go into it

You should also be very damn aware that I can do this as town because we did this for two fucking months in undertale

You're not a leader because you're under this weird illusion that disagreeing with you = scum

Then you put the three people I'm strongly townreading in your death pile

Like

Wtf am I supposed to think about you this game after that

[Ankamius]

Like

I really want you to be scum because your play and reads are just insane

It's frustrating because you were even more insane in undertale and flipped town anyways

And I can't even ignore you because you're choking out the game when you're here

[Ankamius]

What do you mean dichotomy

I thought you scumread both independently

[Ankamius]

My reads are wrong somewhere: I don't know where. I can't solve this game alone and I don't think I'll be alive long enough to get any more information.

Sigh.

Work with me

What is the weirdest thing about the game atm

[Ankamius]

RC just get strong reads, then work from there to get other strong reads

See what fits and what doesn't

[Ankamius]

Tbh

Wraith is looking town with this catch up

[Ankamius]

ITT Mark posts and doesn't show me why the claim is town

[Ankamius]

Jingle can you find the quotes that show that mindset the best?

[Ankamius]

I'll put another reads list out when I get home

Give me like two hours

[Ankamius]

This will have a little bit more meat

[Ankamius]

Kokichi is maybe town.

Nero was a gut townread based off of a game from like 4 years ago.

I'm married to neither of those.

Also worth noting, Ank has triggered just about every buddying and complaining klaxon in my head, but both you and ETL say town so I'm swallowing that.

Both are NAI by themselves; there's differences between alignments for both but I complain as both and buddy as both

[Ankamius]

RC hold

[Ankamius]

Mark you have a 0% chance of an Ouroboros lynch

[Ankamius]

Mark

Look at how many people have RC at strong or lockdown

And then look at how influential they are

It's 100% not happening

[Ankamius]

You're off base, reset

[Ankamius]

Okay, here's my reads and efforting.

Ankamius + Kaede Akamatsu

-

Conftown

- Duh, I know I'm town and Kaede is mod-confirmed town.

Ouroboros

-

Strong Town

- I don't see this slot being scum. My initial townread was due to having very similar thoughts through a lot of the early-mid day one, but I've been noticing that whenever RC takes a step back and analyzes without his ego getting in the way, he's still having thought processes that feel like he's trying to solve the game. I think scum-RC would have played some of these moments a bit differently and caused subtle differences in the game that would ripple into a different game state. Altogether, while he

does

have an agenda (it's fucking RC, of course he has an agenda), it doesn't feel like he's trying to run cartwheels around everybody or taking all the effort to fake his thoughts. I don't think scum-him would feel like he needs to. The only reason this isn't locktown is because I still have some lingering weird vibes from some of Ghost's posting and I wasn't altogether very impressed by our brief engagement earlier. It's not strong enough to be worth worrying about, but it's something to keep in mind if RC starts looking less town in the future. (plus I think I'm one of the people that

can

read RC accurately... when I get a read at all anyways).

Impossibear

-

Strong Town

- Similarly, I don't see this slot flipping scum either. I haven't agreed with a lot of the things ETL has said so far in the game, but I still think that her thoughts come from a town mindset rather than a scum one. Her engagements have looked really town too. Jingle is somewhat similar, anytime I get a read from anything he's stated, it's leaning towards town. This read isn't super easy to explain since a lot of it comes down to general tone and trajectories, but it's been consistent enough that I don't believe this read is going to change unless something drastic happens.

Nero Cain/projectmatt

-

Strong Town

- Nero Cain is a weird one; I think the best way for me to read Nero Cain is that the more we disagree on things, the more he's town. And... well, I disagreed on close to everything he's said. His posts have felt icky, but... not scum-motivated icky. I think the way he entered the game and engaged with my then-strongest townread would have pinged me if he was scum. projectmatt I'm more confident about; I think the two of us are similar in how we get reads, or at least it seems that way because a lot of the thoughts he has (and I'm not counting the mechanics debate posts) just makes sense to me. Plus, the way he handled the engagement with RC's case on him felt like he was engaging a townread to try to help them refine their reads rather than just remove/deflect the scumread, if that makes sense? I don't feel like his entire approach to the game comes from scum.

hebichan/OnTheMark

-

Town

- I'm willing to trust Jingle on this one, I think. His reads are still way off (like I think his scumreads are just those who resisted the dave wagon?), but that's null. If something crazy happens, I'll revisit this slot.

Alchemist21

-

Town

- I think this slot has been looking better despite the holder being relatively inactive lately; I'm willing to admit I might be wrong on the early posts being scum-indicative and there's been some posts he's had that I actually really like for town. Plus after some time and distance from the engagement we had, it doesn't look quite as bad to me as it used to. Not impossible that this is still scum but I think that's fairly unlikely right now.

Wraith

-

Town

- It doesn't show up super often, but when Wraith's posting looks town, it looks

really

town. The recent posts from him are giving me that same feeling, so I'm a lot less convinced that it was a case of strong-entrance-into-coasting-scum, just a town with a strong entrance that continues to keep up that string when he tries.

verylazy/Kokichi Oma

-

Lightly Town

- I think my reason for calling Kokichi town isn't really as strong now as I used to, but still kind of town indicative. Most of my hesitation is solely because I've only ever seen Kokichi as scum. Shrug. verylazy could have gone either way, he was null for a lot of the day for me for pretty good reason.

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

-

Lightly Town

/Null

- I don't really know how to judge this slot. I somewhat remember thinking this slot was town, but I can't remember any

reason

to townread this slot. Could just be null and I'd feel about the same about this slot I think. I think this can be sorted for sure later on (assuming this player stays, I'll just reset on this slot if it gets replaced)

MariaR + Dunnstral

-

Sort Later/Likely Town

- I still think Dunnstral is independently scummy, but my townread on MariaR is just strong enough to trust that her investigation is both true and accurate. Not much I want to say about this beyond it, I'll revisit if both of these slots are around for too long.

Wilky + davesaz + Tchill13/punreader

-

PoE Scumreads

- I remember very little of Wilky; a lot of his posts haven't given me vibes either way outside of his early posts looking really scummy. davesaz is always hard to read for me but I haven't seen a whole lot of reason to townread him? Overall pretty much null. Tchill13 was very scummy... but I want to see what punreader does to see if they can reverse my read.

Ramcius

-

Scum

- Consistently having scummy posts, mainly. I don't think his entire approach or play comes from town here.

In conclusion

Ramcius is my pick for scum.
Wilky is probably second pick pending other slots being resorted.
davesaz/Tchill13slot can go either way, but it's more likely the third scum is here than anywhere else.

If scum is not in that list, then it's probably REALMEN? Maybe Kokichi.

If scum is STILL not contained in the above, then I am giving someone a pass that I shouldn't. Very likely within MariaR/Dunnstral.

[Ankamius]

This is one of those weird games where town is easy to recognize, but the gamestate is hard enough for me to read that I can't fit any one player to it. It's probably because of all the damn noise in the thread.

[Ankamius]

Read day one at least, most of day two is useless

[Ankamius]

Realmen is a quest giver and we spent a lot of the day trying to get the first requirement set up; it's set now. Impossibear needs to hammer today to finish it

MWNN is a claimed vig kill by impossibear

OTM claimed to block davesaz, apparently the block supersedes strongman

I think that's the major points of the day?

[Ankamius]

Oh finishing the quest publicly cops them

There's more claims but Jingle (Impossibear) went into them recently, it's near the end of his ISO

My own reads are just above for some reference at least

[Ankamius]

100% luck, 0% skill

when all ins are free you're bound to river eventually. whatever

--

Impossibear has received a quest, the quest was given by me. they need to perform the following actions today to complete the quest:

1. be vote #3 on a wagon today that reaches L-1, this L-1 wagon must be reflected in the vote count
2. be the hammer on today's lynch

successfully performing the above actions will complete the quest and allow them to be publically daycopped tomorrow so we get another IC or confscum.

quests changes every night and GIF will tell me what the new quest is

Trying to fulfill #1 is the reason day 2 is taking so long

It was only done like... yesterday? Maybe the day before?

[Ankamius]

Overall impression from your reads is that almost all of your strong town, off of the reasoning you have given, are slots I'd be concerned about.

Why?

[Ankamius]

Just an Impossiber hammer, Kokichi

Pun: acknowledged

I await your thoughts after reading day one then

[Ankamius]

sigh

I'm just going to go sleep

good night

[Ankamius]

I'm glad we managed to distract punreader from reading through the game enough to have to wait for their catch up

Riveting

[Ankamius]

who the fuck is punreader and why do we care about him?

ISO him

They literally 'replaced in' (as in started posting) not even 12 hours ago.

[Ankamius]

Because Tchill has vanished and just got replaced?

[Ankamius]

Why should that change anything? You're voting the slot and not the player.

Because I'd like a more recent read on a slot that effectively flaked on day one?

[Ankamius]

lol

REALMEN

You haven't seen the fun part of the game yet

[Ankamius]

Wilky

I'm pretty sure Ramcius is scum

The other three right above him is my scumlist via PoE since I'm townreading everybody else

So... why does the relative strength matter there.

[Ankamius]

Wilky

Why do you care

[Ankamius]

Just default to yes since if you don't already know why your attack is ridiculous, you won't ever

[Ankamius]

I don't want to lynch town

[Ankamius]

Why do we need to sort him today

[Ankamius]

Because...

We don't need to? There's several other possibilities for why a scumkill didn't happen last night so it's not a very convincing guilty to me

[Ankamius]

Just ask for one

[Ankamius]

Idk kaede

I just don't really see that slot as scum

[Ankamius]

I'd be ok with a wilky shot

[Ankamius]

Yes

[Ankamius]

Hi guys

[Ankamius]

why are we trying to lynch town

[Ankamius]

sigh

[Ankamius]

Where's the votes on wraith at? I assume it's still like 3 votes away at least but I want to be sure.

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: Ramcius
VOTE: Wraith

[Ankamius]

that's not a bad idea

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Ramcius

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Ramcius

nice try

Maybe we will lynch you today

If we don't cull more of my town reads that is

[Ankamius]

I don't feel like trying today, tbh

[Ankamius]

Are you going to try to push me based on that

I wouldn't mind being lynched tbh

[Ankamius]

Yeah I have a feeling I'm going to teach lylo

[Ankamius]

Nothing really to teach, I might reach it though

[Ankamius]

Because this game is a shitshow

[Ankamius]

Out with friends I blocked Davesaz.

VOTE: Jungle

OTM can get fucked. My action failed

Btw

If wilky is town, this is huge

[Ankamius]

Wilky

It's far more likely OTM was tampered with than that he was lying or scum.

[Ankamius]

Or scum has a roleblocker too

[Ankamius]

I thought he claimed specifically locking strongman actions.

[Ankamius]

It's a very dumb play, why would wilky do that in the first place, especially on a day that his partner Jungle is likely going to be lynched today for the quest failing?

OTM there's a bigger picture here

[Ankamius]

Btw, it's still technically possible that OTM's role was tampered with.

[Ankamius]

I consider it failed until it's proven to have succeeded.

[Ankamius]

Because it's a dumb play and won't be confirmed either way within the next real life day or so.

[Ankamius]

That's irrelevant when the next part is also true, wilky

[Ankamius]

If there's a second person in there, then faking it is impossible unless both are scum.

[Ankamius]

Oh, that actually is the only possibility.

This game feels like it's been longer than two day phases

[Ankamius]

That's ominous

[Ankamius]

Man, I hate AtE like that, always makes me want to townread it, so i'll just let the rest of the town decide what to do with you

What's your read on him from his play alone?

[Ankamius]

Does the scumteam decide to just go on a WIFOM chase after losing someone Day 1 though?

[Ankamius]

I don't blame you, I'm pretty easy to forget

[Ankamius]

Why don't you help me out though - can you give me your thoughts on these? More than one sentence would be preferable so I can get a good idea of where your head is

1) Where do you stand on Maria's claims, the track choice, etc.?

2) Same q. re: Jungle, and his "blunder".

3) OTM supposedly blocking the same person twice, tunnelling on Dave, etc.?

4) Wilky.

5) Dave's reaction to OTM wanting to lynch him all D2.

ETL

p-edit:

@Ank

1. It depends on what the motivation overall was. I think the check itself was sketchy, but... I don't necessarily think it's scummy since RC probably had a big hand in deciding the target.

2. eh... It's believable that he's out of it, but I don't really want to judge his response entirely until he pops in and says more. I don't think what I've seen already is enough to decide whether it's derptown or a scum play.

3. 100% normal. It's either town-indicative or NAI, probably the latter.

4. I think the block claim is probably town, actually. He went about it weirdly for a scum gambit.

5. He's in my PoE list mainly because I don't have an opinion on him either way. He's not a player I can read, generally.

[Ankamius]

RC is very prideful and stubborn, I don't think that he'd let anybody change his mind if he was set on something.

OTM... well, I mentioned earlier in the game that we spent around two months arguing in Undertale. He blocked me from getting any vigshots for the entire time he was in the game.

[Ankamius]

Sorry I'm responding to stuff a couple hours late, but I was in a huge hurry and didn't notice the PEdit

So there you go.

[Ankamius]

Kaede is a she, REALMEN

[Ankamius]

REALMEN how caught up are you with the game

[Ankamius]

Where are your reads at?

[Ankamius]

So your PoE list right now is {Wilky, MariaR, Ramcius, Punreader, Kokichi Oma, davesaz, Alchemist21, projectmatt}?

Eight isn't the worst for this stage, but there's a bunch of connections between MariaR and Dunnstral; do you think Dunnstral being town directly makes MariaR more likely town or not really?

I should rethink a bunch of my reads too. eh...

[Ankamius]

Especially Wilky, because the claim doesn't look town but the way he responded to my reads list stunk. Bad.

[Ankamius]

the claim doesn't look scum*

[Ankamius]

Well yeah

Wraith was making some of the most town posts in the game when he was making town posts

[Ankamius]

Ramcius read it wrong. Punreader didn't suggest JUNGLE is town because MariaR/projectmatt are scum, they suggested that JUNGLE is town independently.

[Ankamius]

The way you worded it does not suggest that.

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: Ramciusvote

I think I'm just going to make Kaede a doublevoter for a good chunk of the day. I'm too far out of my element to be very useful otherwise atm

[Ankamius]

Oh, I went by vote counts, my bad.

VOTE: Ramcius

[Ankamius]

You can easily say that about the Ramcius wagon

[Ankamius]

And the davesaz wagon

[Ankamius]

And the REALMEN wagon

[Ankamius]

Pun, that question was asked in some form already. The role they would flip is the one they had at the time of their death.

[Ankamius]

Nero was lurky as scum in Necromancer too.

[Ankamius]

So tell me.
Why is it so hard for you to believe that a town player made an honest mistake and it must without a doubt be a scum player trying to manipulate town.

Because a moderator doesn’t require a submit after.

Find me any action ever in any theme game at all

That requires player A submit to Player B and then people do something then Player A does something.

I just don’t think that is a thing. It’s more likely a fruit vendor than a new type of action.

This doesn't actually indicate anything btw, this isn't exactly a normal role in normal circumstances.

[Ankamius]

Do you know that GIF would handle it that way?

[Ankamius]

Do you know that GIF would handle it that way?

It=?

So tell me.
Why is it so hard for you to believe that a town player made an honest mistake and it must without a doubt be a scum player trying to manipulate town.

Because a moderator doesn’t require a submit after.

Find me any action ever in any theme game at all

That requires player A submit to Player B and then people do something then Player A does something.

I just don’t think that is a thing. It’s more likely a fruit vendor than a new type of action.

This doesn't actually indicate anything btw, this isn't exactly a normal role in normal circumstances.

Yes loud scum fruit vendor is.

Mini Normal 1900 modded by Mastina.

Which is why if Jungle is scum go after punreader next

[Ankamius]

Pun, do you have experience with projectmatt?

[Ankamius]

Pun, do you have experience with projectmatt?

Actually, can you go more into your Alchemist read specifically?

[Ankamius]

Ugh

*Also

I want answers to both

[Ankamius]

Matt

I'd gladly talk with you about reads, I mostly can't atm because I'm barely here

[Ankamius]

Popping in to clarify at this point that my question about Alchemist is specifically before that post

[Ankamius]

RC had a hand in that though, pm

[Ankamius]

There's a massive hint there already lol

[Ankamius]

I thought he claimed specifically strongman-immune at some point but apparently just top of NAR?

[Ankamius]

Say person A is strongman scum and submits a kill on anyone
I roleblock player a. My action completely resolves before their submission. Therefore they do not have the passive and are blocked.

Say person A redirects me to person C
I block person A.
Persons A’s redirect is ignored based on the verbiage of my role PM.

I can’t claim a modifier and link to the wiki.

If I could this would be remarkably remarkably easy and there wouldn’t be a damn issue.

I know Wilky is lying because I can’t have been the source of the block. I also know I can’t be copied either.

This is fucking infuriating beyond belief.

So you block person A

Person B redirects you to person C

You resolve as blocking A?

[Ankamius]

NGL

The way I'm interpreting that as yes is that your role was designed to misdirect in the way that you're thinking about it.

[Ankamius]

Like

I could see GIF doing some shenanigans like giving scum an active ability of having a target of their choice be affected like the first non-killing NAR ability targeted them as well.

The fact that scum have the ability to swap powers proves that there's some oddness going on and I could see your role specifically being ahead of everything else in NAR so it can be manipulated in a way that it otherwise might not be.

[Ankamius]

There's also the awkwardness of someone without influence or really much clout in town at all trying to discredit someone widely considered blatantly obvtown being some kind of scum play?

I don't see it at all.

[Ankamius]

That was an impressively vague question, davesaz.

[Ankamius]

Why is this conversation relevant?
I don't think that is a vague question at all.
I don't see any of this helping to determine anyone's alignment.
So I'm asking what is it that I don't understand.

...because it directly relates to whether wilky is lying or not (aka town or scum)

[Ankamius]

Why is this conversation relevant?
I don't think that is a vague question at all.
I don't see any of this helping to determine anyone's alignment.
So I'm asking what is it that I don't understand.

Wilky said he was blocked.

I am and have been saying Wilky is lying.

People keep saying I could be redirected or bus driven or something and the answer is no.

What about a situation in which a second roleblocker or jailkeeper exists? Jingle mentioned such a thing is possible when considering my role.

A second RB/JK would mean wilky was targeted, not you again.
If 314 roleblockers and redirectors all target me at the same time it doesn’t matter.

My actions are before literally anything else. My action ends before those start.

[Ankamius]

I heard my name

Am I needed for anything?

[Ankamius]

Realmen did you answer the question I had about how much experience you have with e? I don't remember getting a response to that

[Ankamius]

With me*

My tablet is tiny sorry

[Ankamius]

Ramcius, it's impossible to debate with you because your only technique is to deflect questions against you with absurd and contradictory points. I've pointed out a lot of these, but you keep moving the goalposts. It's not worth it.

@EVERYONE,

please read Ramcius's last few posts. I think they're really telling of scum-flailing.

Matt

I'd gladly talk with you about reads, I mostly can't atm because I'm barely here

Awesome. What do you think of wilky/dave/alchemist? I'm trying to sort those slots ATM.

Probably town/poescum/probably town

[Ankamius]

I'll make a list of things to check and see what that comes up with at some point

[Ankamius]

It's true though, this is honestly one of the less extreme games I've seen from him.

[Ankamius]

hm

I'm actually not sure how to take that claim

[Ankamius]

don't look to me

I'm here to look pretty

[Ankamius]

Actually, the way this is going to work is that we will have another three day phases of me lurking around, then immediately solving the game after everyone competent dies

Then I can pretend I did something this game

Sounds like a good plan to me!

[Ankamius]

I still think he's town, so I want to give him a chance to at least give us

something

, then judge based on that.

Davesaz is a good wagon.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: davesaz

[Ankamius]

I still think he's town, so I want to give him a chance to at least give us

something

, then judge based on that.

Davesaz is a good wagon.

basically my entire thoughts on it right here

[Ankamius]

I’ve misread Dave in the past for getting angry too.

I’m not sure about Matt’s claim. It seems like one that could go either way to me. I don’t know the flavor to know if they’re lying about that part.

Scum absolutely have fakeclaims

[Ankamius]

it should be a

huge

wake up call for anyone who's town here when wraith and me flip town back to back. there's serious scum manipulation going on
here.

Who are you directly scumreading from the wagon?

[Ankamius]

3.06

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE (2):

OnTheMark, davesaz

projectmatt (6):

Ramcius,

Impossibear, punreader, MariaR

, wilky, Kaede Akamatsu

Ramcius (2):

projectmatt, Dunnstral

davesaz (3):

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE, Kokichi Oma, Ankamius

Not Voting:

davesaz, Alchemist21

With

14

alive,

8

to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2018-06-09 23:05:14)

I'd suspect that any manipulation would be here, if anywhere.

It also has Ramcius on it, which is gross too.

[Ankamius]

go ahead and MANhammer

VOTE: projectmatt

This vote is also gross

[Ankamius]

Jungle punreader

wilky all scum.

Haven’t caught up yet.

Probably won’t have time before overnight

I actually agree with this, I'd be willing to gun for these slots next if matt flips town today

[Ankamius]

2.12

wilky (1):

punreader

Ramcius (2):

wilky, projectmatt

punreader (2):

davesaz, Alchemist21

davesaz (1):

Kokichi Oma

Wraith (9):

Ramcius

, Ouroboros,

Kaede Akamatsu

, OnTheMark, Dunnstral, Wraith, Ankamius,

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

,

Impossibear

Kokichi Oma (1):

MariaR

Not Voting:

None

With

16

alive,

9

to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2018-05-27 22:26:54)

3.06

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE (2):

OnTheMark, davesaz

projectmatt (6):

Ramcius

,

Impossibear

, punreader, MariaR, wilky,

Kaede Akamatsu

,

(REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE)

Ramcius (2):

projectmatt, Dunnstral

davesaz (3):

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE, Kokichi Oma, Ankamius

Not Voting:

davesaz, Alchemist21

With

14

alive,

8

to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2018-06-09 23:05:14)

Impossibear + Jungle's trajectory onto Wraith needs to be confirmed since they were after Wraith's meltdown, but it's still a fascinating parallel assuming that the suspicions were placed well before then.

[Ankamius]

hm

I think day 4 is when I'll have to start trying again.

[Ankamius]

Better start trying soon

Because you bet your ass that scum isn't going to waste time eliminating any threats that can turn the game around

[Ankamius]

Either way, I still firmly believe that we're putting far too much clout into clearing people off shaky mechanics reasons.

The way I'm remembering things, there's actually very little to clear people for. I'm starting to think that the slots that are pushing this kind of rhetoric are more likely to be scum-rich than those that aren't.

[Ankamius]

The part that's iffy on this is that the two slots I can immediately point to regarding that are Impossibear (aka Jingle) and Punreader, both of whom are adept at using these as either alignment.

OnTheMark fits this bill too, but I genuinely don't think their reads are scummy; the way he was pushing davesaz is also sensical in his position as town.

The rest I'll have to really look into further, but it's also possible that the scumteam has worked to townblock themselves. Universal townreads are worth looking at to see if there's deepscum hidden there.

[Ankamius]

Punreader: I want your thoughts on these deductions at your next convenience.

[Ankamius]

matt, if you're still here, work with me. I've been a bit out of it this game but if you're town here, this will help a lot on getting the game back on track.

[Ankamius]

Good talk, everyone.

Let's do this again tomorrow

[Ankamius]

He should've used the bp quest on me so I could get policy lynched for still being useless in a few days

[Ankamius]

Is that a hammer

[Ankamius]

Oh well

If this flips town, I expect a lot of reads resets

[Ankamius]

Take another look at impossibear too

And Punreader

[Ankamius]

If Matt flips scum, I'll shut up and be useless for another 2-3 days

So

[Ankamius]

If Matt flips scum I'll eat my socks and record it

Are you going to work with me tomorrow on a Matt town flip

Because town is going to lose if shit doesn't change in that case

[Ankamius]

Matt if you happen to come back before flip, please give me your thoughts on what I posted earlier for analysis

[Ankamius]

BTW I don't like the davesaz vote, but the jungle vote is way worse

[Ankamius]

That's a really good attitude to have thanks

[Ankamius]

BTW Kaede I forgot to mention I want your thoughts too

[Ankamius]

yeah, i'm pretty sure that's a hammer.

all that i ask if that you re-evaluate your reads upon my flip.

if i make it back to my laptop in time before the flip, ill post some last minute analysis.

Thoughts on these when you can please

it should be a

huge

wake up call for anyone who's town here when wraith and me flip town back to back. there's serious scum manipulation going on
here.

Who are you directly scumreading from the wagon?

3.06

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE (2):

OnTheMark, davesaz

projectmatt (6):

Ramcius,

Impossibear, punreader, MariaR

, wilky, Kaede Akamatsu

Ramcius (2):

projectmatt, Dunnstral

davesaz (3):

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE, Kokichi Oma, Ankamius

Not Voting:

davesaz, Alchemist21

With

14

alive,

8

to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2018-06-09 23:05:14)

I'd suspect that any manipulation would be here, if anywhere.

It also has Ramcius on it, which is gross too.

go ahead and MANhammer

VOTE: projectmatt

This vote is also gross

Jungle punreader

wilky all scum.

Haven’t caught up yet.

Probably won’t have time before overnight

I actually agree with this, I'd be willing to gun for these slots next if matt flips town today

2.12

wilky (1):

punreader

Ramcius (2):

wilky, projectmatt

punreader (2):

davesaz, Alchemist21

davesaz (1):

Kokichi Oma

Wraith (9):

Ramcius

, Ouroboros,

Kaede Akamatsu

, OnTheMark, Dunnstral, Wraith, Ankamius,

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

,

Impossibear

Kokichi Oma (1):

MariaR

Not Voting:

None

With

16

alive,

9

to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2018-05-27 22:26:54)

3.06

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE (2):

OnTheMark, davesaz

projectmatt (6):

Ramcius

,

Impossibear

, punreader, MariaR, wilky,

Kaede Akamatsu

,

(REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE)

Ramcius (2):

projectmatt, Dunnstral

davesaz (3):

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE, Kokichi Oma, Ankamius

Not Voting:

davesaz, Alchemist21

With

14

alive,

8

to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2018-06-09 23:05:14)

Impossibear + Jungle's trajectory onto Wraith needs to be confirmed since they were after Wraith's meltdown, but it's still a fascinating parallel assuming that the suspicions were placed well before then.

Better start trying soon

Because you bet your ass that scum isn't going to waste time eliminating any threats that can turn the game around

Either way, I still firmly believe that we're putting far too much clout into clearing people off shaky mechanics reasons.

The way I'm remembering things, there's actually very little to clear people for. I'm starting to think that the slots that are pushing this kind of rhetoric are more likely to be scum-rich than those that aren't.

The part that's iffy on this is that the two slots I can immediately point to regarding that are Impossibear (aka Jingle) and Punreader, both of whom are adept at using these as either alignment.

OnTheMark fits this bill too, but I genuinely don't think their reads are scummy; the way he was pushing davesaz is also sensical in his position as town.

The rest I'll have to really look into further, but it's also possible that the scumteam has worked to townblock themselves. Universal townreads are worth looking at to see if there's deepscum hidden there.

matt, if you're still here, work with me. I've been a bit out of it this game but if you're town here, this will help a lot on getting the game back on track.

[Ankamius]

I wasn't responding to you bud

[Ankamius]

Pun is a competent scum and a competent planner

Don't be fooled

[Ankamius]

Oh sorry, I didn't realize

[Ankamius]

Well apparently so is matt tho.
And this was Nero's scum meta too.

Matt wasn't described as a competent planner, more hard to differentiate

Pun already has a plan all the way to endgame if scum, I guarantee you that right now

[Ankamius]

Oh sorry, I didn't realize

it's all good. who do you think is most likely to be scum within the universal townreads?

Jungle and maybe Impossibear

Punreader is starting to worry me though, I think they might have blindsided me from my tchill scumread

[Ankamius]

I might be town reading wilky from false pretenses too, not sure yet

[Ankamius]

VOTE: MariaR

[Ankamius]

ok like

I was originally going to just shut up and be useless again like always this game

but I honestly think that doubled quest just about proves MariaR is scum.

[Ankamius]

oh

I'm sorry if I spoiled it

[Ankamius]

oh well

It isn't a hard deduction anyways

[Ankamius]

also true yes

[Ankamius]

they were probably blocked

[Ankamius]

huh.

I'm not sure then.

[Ankamius]

I kind of feel davesaz might not be scum

Mariar definitely is though

[Ankamius]

Kaede

What do you think of YTs entrance?

[Ankamius]

Like

I don't really understand his reads?

[Ankamius]

hm

YT what parts of the game have you gotten your reads from?

[Ankamius]

Who's still alive?