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Good day people. Interesting development, even before the game has officially started already.
Just as a general question; isnt a moderator lie only bastard if they cannot be reasonably anticipated? If they include a role that tells us specifically that another role doesnt work as previously prescribed, would that still make the game bastard, and the moderator lie not anticipable? (is that even a word?)
I have some feeling about the way Mathblade is handling this. I like the criticism, but the way in which it is being done feels like it is taking a few steps too quickly. Agenda driven maybe over "inquiring minds want to know"-driven if that makes sense.
Mathblade, do you really feel there could only be one type of motivation here? Because im getting some tingles that make me feel like youre trying to adhere to your previously built up reputation, and I dont really know if I believe you really feel that - even if this really was a joke - it would have as big consequences for the game as your trying to push here.-
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Now this is something we can mindmeld onIn post 80, MathBlade wrote:
Don’t really have one but it would be ice cream.In post 76, Aronis wrote:
Tortilla chips. How about you?In post 61, MathBlade wrote:
I just kinda ignored it when it still didn’t make sense when I woke up. :/In post 60, Aronis wrote:
This post makes no sense. If you could just vote like a sane person, that'd be greatIn post 43, hebichan wrote:I declare that I will declare in the future my intention to declare and declaration of intent to intend to vote on declaring placing my vote on the person I am going to declare later on in this thread.
Aronis what’s your favorite food? (Pulling a page out of the Aronis playbook)
What do you make of TGP?
I just finished two icecones.
Im also in a bit of a sad rage. Just got word that my parents in law had all their magnificent goats stolen, and their 3 dogs poisoned. People can be such bastards at times.-
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My in-laws live in Zambia, and they have their own farm where they enjoy retirement. I just came back from visiting them this week, and those dogs and goats were awesome. Cattle-thieving is a real thing there, and they just sell off the meat to make their money. The fact that they could evade the security cameras and were prepared to poison the recently acquired pups leaves quite the uneasy feeling.-
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Also, im not actually joking here. Its not a claim, it has nothing to do with this game. Just something that made me sad, and I felt like sharing.In post 101, Almost50 wrote:
Actually, Ninja Poisoner... I haven't quite figured out the stealing part, but it could be a reference to "stealth" which further confirms the Ninja modifier.In post 98, Almost50 wrote:
She's crumbing NINJA. Pay attention.In post 90, MathBlade wrote:
How is this relevant?In post 84, hebichan wrote:....How do you steal a bunch of goats and poison dogs without being noticed?-
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Yuurei feels very lock-town'ish to me
The hydra under fire seems pretty town to me as well
Would love to see creature post more. Pretty please darling?
NSG, I would love to see longer posts from detailing how she feels about certain people
No people that give me try-hard scum vibes yet (-maaaybe Mathblade)-
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Im upgrading my townreads to mostly include Mathblade, we seem to be mindmelding quite alright here on nearly everything, and I always take that as a moderately strong towntell.
RC seems to be too busy being upset he cannot properly play his towngame due to his scum prowess to not be town here. It could be some advanced gimmick, but that is never how I have seen RC play scum (although to be fair, I have not witnessed him as a D1 scum). Im still gonna just keep him in my townreads.
I am downgrading NSG into my lynchpool. There have not been enough NSG-town-posts. NSG is capable of producing townposts very easily as town.
A50 is probably town, but will stay in my suspicion list for the rest of the game. Im quite sure I cannot read A50.
HeWhoSwims is now trying to post, but theres nothing there yet that I find AI. Can stay in the lynchpool. Same applies even more to Theta.
Aronis im not so sure about. Everyone seems to TR it, which the slot seems to be a bit too glad about almost. Recommendation; dont give the slot too much of a pass.
Creature is being too widely townread. As happens in too many games, people underestimate Creature's scum potential. When he tries, he can pull of a very formidable scum game, which is nearly indistinguishable from his townplay. He also has scum lurker games, but a not-lurking creature is definately not by defnition a town creature. The very definition of a null slot for me.
Cheeky is potentially scum or potentially town. (duh). More monitoring there will continue. Not going to go into any details here.-
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Thats a rather specific post to complain about. Especially after you just stated youre not gonna read the preceding pages.....Like, it doesnt even give you the slightest inclination to read if maybe there were some reasons provided on those pages? Maybe some dialogue that would lead into that statement?
The irritation really seems to come out of nowhere. Your tone also seems hostile for no particular reason whatsoever.
Im going to jump straight to the conclusion that you are scum.
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Like, its almost feeling too easy. Narrow the game down to a PoE scumpool, poke at one of them.....
And suddenly the rest of my scumpool comes pouring in, protecting the person, attacking whoever pokes at that juicy tree for no good apparent reason.
I mean, im probably seeing stuff again, but it sure is an interesting observation to behold.
For now im just gonna run with this idea. The scumteam is AA9, TGP, NSG and Creature.-
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How do you feel about NSG declaring you the AA9 expert?In post 615, Creature wrote:
Go home you're drunkIn post 614, Vecna wrote:The scumteam is AA9, TGP, NSG and Creature.
Or TGP snapping at me for wanting to lynch AA9? While stating he hasnt read the preceding pages?-
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Because im quite sure Hebichan is town. Thats my reason for not wanting to lynch her.
Creature, if you are town, then why are you not concerned about NSG blindly sheeping you on AA9? Why arent you concerned about TGP attacking me over having a scumread on AA9?
Why do you seem so agitated over me scumreading you? If its for rediculous reasons, just brush them off, right?-
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After some reflection my top scumreads right now are TGP and Creature.
Creature I think is upset because him and some of his buddies have been correctly called scum, but for the completely wrong reasoning. When he's engaging with me, he just appears interested in fighting my reasoning (because it is probably wrong). I do not get a sense that he's trying to read into me, just that he's trying to discredit what im saying. This type of tell is something that I find quite often to be very scum indicative, being annoyed to be caught for the wrong reasons, and it showing in the arguments.
TGP just does scummy stuff. Claiming to not read pages 21-24, but pretending to be very upset at me for wanting to lynch someone without stating reasons on p25. The thing Math found earlier about trying to sow confusion with the hydra thing could also fit into that picture I guess. The tone also feels off to me here. This game has been a treasure trove of information and reads so far, with very little actual reason for irritation as far as im concerned. Plenty of reads to be had for the people that are inclined to look for it. Yet most of the things the slot has done so far is complain about shitposting, refusing to read. Not completely AI, but something scum tends to do plenty often as well for a lack of having more usefull things to post. 3 strikes for suspicion is plenty reason for a lynch here in my book.-
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Keychain, if it was just a scum creature and a scum TGP, or a scum creature and a scum AA9 - wouldnt that be annoying enough already if they get called out as scum correctly, but for bullshit reasons? Heck, even if only creature is scum in that list, but everyone except me is townreading him - then why does he take on that agitated tone? Id say theres little reason to do that as town - especially since he doesnt even consider the option that the others that are using his opinion to townread AA9
Because that is what my argument is here. Creature seems to agitated over a silly claim where I pretend to have figured out the entire scumteam. There feels like there is more to it.
At any rate, im more interested in lynching TGP today I think. Ill put a fork in this one for now.-
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Just hop back onto TGP and lynch it. This day has had everything it neededIn post 713, MathBlade wrote:Actually after that tgp vote I could see Vecna NSG.-
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those posts actually barely contributed to me forming the read, it was mostly his most recent posts.In post 723, MathBlade wrote:In post 69, TheGoldenParadox wrote:...
ofc that was a joke lmao
and in the one game I've played wiith you i was hella lurky
please don't claim to know my meta thxIn post 70, TheGoldenParadox wrote:also I'm in a game with creature cheeky rc mathblade and nsg
i feel happy
also mathblade is town that was very obvtown unless i'm the most idiotic human on the planet
Vecna talk with me about this.In post 119, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
Yeah, again, it's pregame obvtown rather than you know an actual read. What I mean by this is that he is a townread as much as one can exist in pregame, because the tone feels heavily genuine.In post 72, Yuurei wrote:thegoldenparadox, do you have experience playing with mathblade?
you are calling him "obvtown" very early
Did this/how did this contribute to your vote?
I really really want to be right here and I don’t know what is contributing to the rather sudden TGP wagon. I want to have had a gut instinct be right but I am concerned you / NSG are taking me for a ride.
quite the interesting change in his tone though, going from happy to play with those players to sounding very aggrevated later on.
And im town, so lay those suspicions to rest please. I would probably settle for lynching NSG though if i cannot have TGP. (yes i have suspicions there too)-
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What an extremely mature way to go about making that statement. The evidence is right there for you to go look for it. Itll take you the exact same amount of time as itll take me to go dig through Creature's history. So how about you stop being lazy yourself and do it, because im not your librarian kid.In post 766, Luna Nova wrote:
Back your shit up with evidence or stfu ok?In post 598, Vecna wrote:edit: not gonna search for creature scumgames; TLDR version: he knows how to spam the same type of creature'esque poststyle as scum when he wants to.-
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The reasoning and tone of his posts mostly. It all feels pretty genuine, and not like something you'd come up with to try and bullshit your way out of pressure. Im finding it hard to point to specific examples to illuminate it, but that is the gut feeling ive been getting of their posts - especially the last few days.-
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Ive done some digging through his old games and im not completely sold on my own conclusion anymore.
Seems he can put up quite decent walls of bullshit that have a decent'ish appearance (viewtopic.php?p=9808705&user_select%5B% ... 4#p9808705 for example)-
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Hey creature, how do you feel yourself about people thinking youre incapable of faking your own town meta?
viewtopic.php?p=9452783&user_select%5B% ... 4#p9452783
this game for example, gimme some self-analysis of how you feel your play here differs-
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Aronis is now a minor scumread. Still has failed to show me any thoughts that are town-exclusive and is just a little too content to get by on current impressions without taking any stances on anything.
Not entirely sure what to feel about NSG's recent posts. She sure is very good at staying polite though, regardless of alignment. I like it. What are your thoughts RC? You seem to be content that NSG has proven to be town to you (given your votemove).
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I have a history of misinterpreting people when they change their posting habits for the better Hebichan. Thats why im asking RC for his opinion on the recent NSG posts, since he stated he wanted to lynch NSG unless she convinced him of being town. I feel her recent posts make her sound at least somewhat towny yes, allthough im still not fully convinced.
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To you obviously? You finally started posting relevant stuff.In post 918, northsidegal wrote:
change their posting habits? who are you referring to with this?In post 913, Vecna wrote:I have a history of misinterpreting people when they change their posting habits for the better Hebichan. Thats why im asking RC for his opinion on the recent NSG posts, since he stated he wanted to lynch NSG unless she convinced him of being town. I feel her recent posts make her sound at least somewhat towny yes, allthough im still not fully convinced.
TGP still seems like a more decent lynch in my book though
what do you make of tgp's latest entrance to the thread outside of "confusing"?
As for TGP's vote, I interpret it as either a vote from a scum that assumes he's about to get lynched and wants to confuse us with the vote. If he's town I have no idea whatsoever why he's playing the way he is.-
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Or maybe im just asking Keychain to explain his read? Because in my book, youre far too inactive to have a proper read on.In post 970, CheekyTeeky wrote:In post 603, Vecna wrote:Keychain, how did you conclude that Cheeky is indeed engaged and scumhunting, and more importantly - it being genuine- as opposed to just being aware of her own meta and trying to fake it?
Seriously how can this not be applied to anyone else? Anyone being townread ever could be faking their meta. At first I thought you pushing on me, along with your engagement this game was towny but you're not being objective at all, it feels like you're looking for a reason to scumread me instead of genuinely doing so. You drop down a tier or two.-
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stop itIn post 1084, MathBlade wrote:
Bad vote.In post 1019, Theta Alpine wrote:ugh
UNVOTE:
i do think it is nai for radiant to do a fakeclaim like that
but it does make me doubt that luna is scum
as for who else might be scum i have no clue
although since definition is a hydra who somehow has not posted in a while even withheads then i think that might actually be a good place to put my vote
VOTE: definition
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I find it sort of worrying that a lot of people are suddenly scumreading TGP, but only now that its highly likely that another person is gonna be the lynch today. Almost like theyre setting them
selves up to already look good for the (possible) mislynch today, so they can get town cred for a TGP lynch tomorrow.-
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i dont know.....noone in particular for very strong things i csn point out. maybe swim. maybe aa9. the rest on the luna wagon i tr i think. Its just that general feeling where u try to get TGP lynched for the longest of times, then u feel the need to jump ship because another juicy wagon comes along, and suddenly everyone is there with the suspicions.
I am also a bit miffed about aa9 pointing out a ton of my posts, poking at them, and then failing to produce a read on me.-
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