Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

[Titus]

I voted for Drixx. I felt that him as leader makes him more readable and gets him to form reads earlier.

FA as leader, assuming scum could coordinate, suggests scum are at a minimum trusting of FA's judgement which is wierd

[Titus]

i voted muffinman cuz he was doing a good job of leading town last game till somebody killed him

While we don't know wether or not scum got to talk pregame during voting, your post here reads like you know they didn't.

err, how?

VOTE: toranaga

pretty sure scum (at least if theyre smart) just voted whoever they thought they might vote as town and the majority of votes just happened to land on FA

If they have pre-game chat, they would have coordinated. Do you disagree? This comment seems to disagree with that sentiment.

They don’t have to coordinate.....

They would plan and use daychat. That's unquestioned. They may choose lol random but that seems unlijely.

[Titus]

I play more relaxed as town than scum, so why wouldn't others?

But, if you guys disagree I can't say that I think it's my best reasoning ever for a read. It's a tone read, and no one follows me on those anyway.

And the Great Gatsby is boring, unlike Watership Down, the best book ever.

I'm just going to vote whomever you're voting for until I get a real read. Sucks to feel like no one hears you. I am a sap.

[Titus]

VOTE: 123456789

[Titus]

i voted muffinman cuz he was doing a good job of leading town last game till somebody killed him

While we don't know wether or not scum got to talk pregame during voting, your post here reads like you know they didn't.

err, how?

VOTE: toranaga

pretty sure scum (at least if theyre smart) just voted whoever they thought they might vote as town and the majority of votes just happened to land on FA

If they have pre-game chat, they would have coordinated. Do you disagree? This comment seems to disagree with that sentiment.

They don’t have to coordinate.....

They would plan and use daychat. That's unquestioned. They may choose lol random but that seems unlijely.

I think that whether scum is coordinated or split votes, they are absolutely thinking about which leader is the most likely to further their wincon. Don’t you agree?

Yup, which is why I find random least likely unless they're all charismatic sons of bitches.

[Titus]

so it's about if scum thinks I'm stupid, frameable or they just couldn't coordinate this.

or that they didn't want to do it

Yeah not much to do on that. There's two optimal approaches in my mind

1) Random but secret the PRs or 2) Announce them.

Random neutralizes the threat to PRs and reduces buddying for power but makes blocking harder.

Announcing means buddying up the yin yang and harder to mske reads but easier to block with.

[Titus]

FA, at least 4 people said they voted you right? Myself, Shiro, and two others who responded earlier?

What surprises me is that I had at least 3 votes! If I hadn't voted for you, and nobody else voted for you, I could have been leader! !!

It would hace been close. Players who vote for you might vote for Drixx with the same reasoning.

What approach should we take to PR selection?

[Titus]

so it's about if scum thinks I'm stupid, frameable or they just couldn't coordinate this.

or that they didn't want to do it

Yeah not much to do on that. There's two optimal approaches in my mind

1) Random but secret the PRs or 2) Announce them.

Random neutralizes the threat to PRs and reduces buddying for power but makes blocking harder.

Announcing means buddying up the yin yang and harder to mske reads but easier to block with.

what do you mean secret the prs? you mean my team? I'm not gonna announce who I'm gonna choose today. tomorrow I will out all players though

I don't get the last sentence and how is this related to my post though

Well if you pick and keep secret, the odds of picking one scum by chance are pretty high. If you're town, you could get blamed for it given scum think you are buddiable. If you're scum secret plus pick allows you to place buddies as PRs.

If we do secret, it should be random to completely reduce the value of scum buddying you for power.

[Titus]

Are you trying to say that giving random people abilities is more optimal than giving one to my town reads?

Unfortunately yes, but it is mathmatecially optimal not playing mafia for fun optimal.

[Titus]

FA, check #205 by titus. I find the flat out assumption that scum coordinated their votes to you strange. also her entire ISO is just these mechanical talking points that aren't solid towny thoughts.

Hi. I don't think we've met. I'm the queen of votes and mechanics. I detest d1 because there is little of either. D1 is people trying to puff up themselves.

[Titus]

Why would we out the people with powers?

The scum finding out who is in the team would give them a good chance to kill someone with a power, then. The existence of a bulletproof power does not give enough protection to the team from a kill.

That's the issue. If we just say FA picks, then FA can't give reads because scum just follow the reads.

As for the random explanation, there's not much reason behind it beyond the old adage that towns perform better when acting randomly rather than lynching with info. Here, the very people you select are obsessed about and constantly suspected as scum benefit because why else would they let you win? Any townblock you attempt to create has that paranoia thus reducing its effectiveness. Yet if you claim it is random, you can form a townblock without buddying fear and have the most mathmateical likelihood of hitting as many town. Plus scum have zero idea on whom to shoot.

@UFO, As for the post you quoted saying I assumed FA town, read it again. You'll see your premise is wrong. Also, it's not a game if we don't bicker l9l.

[Titus]

this is true, but 5 people get a power
u can't kill them all, even if they don't land on scum

more importantly, it informs the decisions of future leaders

How, unless you're assuming FA tells us? *glares*

[Titus]

Even with a smaller number a biased opinion is nearly always equal or better to a random pick.

This is true only if information present. D1 has no valid info. Only egos. D1 selections are nothing more than who is effective at buddying.

[Titus]

@Cerb, Didn't you say Mafia success is about reducing and eliminating the biases in logic? Why seek to subject them upon Frozen when a random strategy is just as effective?

[Titus]

Tbh, the normal human impulse is secret select TRs but it is the most advantageous for scum as well. That approach is just individually better for FA if she does not go optimal and random. It's regardless of her alignment. It's strictly suboptimal for everyone else however.

[Titus]

@Nico, Why did you vote for me to be leader?

[Titus]

Yes. Semantics. He voted for me bc best. Why am I the best? It's a tautology. Although me phrasing like why am I the best sounds more like an arrogant prick.

[Titus]

I play more relaxed as town than scum, so why wouldn't others?

But, if you guys disagree I can't say that I think it's my best reasoning ever for a read. It's a tone read, and no one follows me on those anyway.

And the Great Gatsby is boring, unlike Watership Down, the best book ever.

Great Gatsby is a meh book but pretty fun to analyze

I might try again but hated it in school.

[Titus]

@Titus Because from my experience you're a good asset for town, and partially because I wanted to be chosen.

Why do you think I would choose you? Do you think being chosen is advantageous?

[Titus]

Shouldn't we consider FA as random though?

[Titus]

Impenetrable Skin: You are protected from one killing action until the next Night Phase.

@Mod can you clarify this ability? Is it an active ability getting activated every night (so one bp per night phase) or is it a passive ability protecting from 1 kill that same night phase?

It is an active ability that provides its effect whenever it is activated.

Confirming the bp is a one shot and thus cannot be activated nightly?

[Titus]

Oh man, and just when i was thinking of switching my vote, Cerb goes ahead and posts #353

It does seem rather hinky. It's rather unlike Cerb to suppose town can just keep 6 people alive indefinitely and that FA would automatically trust him. Seems exactly why scum would let FA be a leader. Town!Cerb is more of a critical thinker than that. Town!Cerb would also consider the possibility of a factionsl strongman.

VOTE: Cerb

[Titus]

2. This game is comprised of an 18 player Aspiring Hero Faction and a 5 player Aspiring Villain faction.

@Gamma

[Titus]

Oh man, and just when i was thinking of switching my vote, Cerb goes ahead and posts #353

It does seem rather hinky. It's rather unlike Cerb to suppose town can just keep 6 people alive indefinitely and that FA would automatically trust him. Seems exactly why scum would let FA be a leader. Town!Cerb is more of a critical thinker than that. Town!Cerb would also consider the possibility of a factionsl strongman.

VOTE: Cerb

I dunno. I think Cerb is likely town here based on meta. Where do you get that scum wanted FA to be a leader? It looked like a mostly town vote to me. Why would you think FA’s being a leader is primarily scum motivated?

Basic math. 5 scum. If scum didn't want FA to be leader, they coordinate on someone else. FA has received fewer than 5 votes claimed. The Day 1 leader is always scum motivated. (Note: That does not mean FA scum).

Cerb acting as if he cannot die is rather scummy. A town Cerb considers that a) There might be a factional strongman b) That FA might read him as scum incorrectly and thus not give him a vest or c) imply she would give cerb a vest to protect more town reads but scum shoot Cerb anyway.

[Titus]

I'm definitely not repeating that day 1 again.

And so what im doing in this game was born.

Okay. So this, along with the "deliberately ignoring thing", ping me pretty hard. Normally, when someone looks at a post I made and chooses to ignore all of it except one part, they just do so without the snarky comment included. This generally results in them getting pushed more about the part they ignored by myself, and anyone else who was interested in the point(s) I raised.

I see deliberately calling out the fact that she ignored the rest of the post as an attempt to preempt said pushing. I was debating whether to ask if that bit of flavor in Sakuras post was characteristic of her posting style, or if it had a good chance of being preemptive scum deflection, but this last post seems to support my position . Here Sakura is again, preempting questioning about her reason for playing the way she is, by posting a link and a joke. She already said it was because of a game in the past, nobody asked for a link to the game or anything, but here she is ready to justify what she's doing before the conversation gets too deep into whether her behavior is anti-town or not.

I love that sakura is being pushed for this and find your reasoning extremely villagery from you, and I was villa reading your posting before anyway so this is cool. I don't know if I agree with this, though. I don't think sakura is necessarily doing what she is doing as an excuse to not work on the game, but rather because she is the kind of individualistic millennial generation type of player. I'm sure she'll start posting reads as the game progresses regardless of her rand.

I find you both are acting arrogant and fail to understand relevance. Everyone, even me, selectively responds. Why and to what reveal alignment. By jumping to the scum conclusion, it's not hunting but a straw man. For d1 it might get something to start the game but nothing to get mighty over. Sakura probably town.

[Titus]

I will renominate kokichi for leader tomorrow.

I want Cerb! *arm wrestles hebi*

I will renom Kokichi unless I deem it inappropriate

I'll act as a second flavour mod since someone used a post restriction power on me that forces me to have to post a youtube vid in each post. It's rather obnoxious so I'll probably just make empty flavour posts.

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95% sure you are lying as everyone started vanilla, and I find it doubtful has a post restriction pre-game ability. Besides, if they did, why would the use it on you if all people?

Why would anyone make something like this up?

Because it excuses a lack of readable content?

Oh sorrry, I missed this. I see your point. What do you make of Muffin defending it then?

The PR is probably fake. I've faked a PR as both alignments. Just the action is not optimal scum to be real.

[Titus]

Furthermore, the BP option ensures no investigatives.

[Titus]

I'm definitely not repeating that day 1 again.

And so what im doing in this game was born.

Okay. So this, along with the "deliberately ignoring thing", ping me pretty hard. Normally, when someone looks at a post I made and chooses to ignore all of it except one part, they just do so without the snarky comment included. This generally results in them getting pushed more about the part they ignored by myself, and anyone else who was interested in the point(s) I raised.

I see deliberately calling out the fact that she ignored the rest of the post as an attempt to preempt said pushing. I was debating whether to ask if that bit of flavor in Sakuras post was characteristic of her posting style, or if it had a good chance of being preemptive scum deflection, but this last post seems to support my position . Here Sakura is again, preempting questioning about her reason for playing the way she is, by posting a link and a joke. She already said it was because of a game in the past, nobody asked for a link to the game or anything, but here she is ready to justify what she's doing before the conversation gets too deep into whether her behavior is anti-town or not.

I love that sakura is being pushed for this and find your reasoning extremely villagery from you, and I was villa reading your posting before anyway so this is cool. I don't know if I agree with this, though. I don't think sakura is necessarily doing what she is doing as an excuse to not work on the game, but rather because she is the kind of individualistic millennial generation type of player. I'm sure she'll start posting reads as the game progresses regardless of her rand.

I find you both are acting arrogant and fail to understand relevance. Everyone, even me, selectively responds. Why and to what reveal alignment. By jumping to the scum conclusion, it's not hunting but a straw man. For d1 it might get something to start the game but nothing to get mighty over. Sakura probably town.

Based on Minuet game, I can relate to where she’s coming from. I experienced a very similar thing in a recent game (offsite). If you make reasonable assumptions based on logic that other people disagree with, you can get mistakenly scumread for that. I know what happened to me is still messing with my head. But why is their push scummy rather than probably wrong? I’ve observed plenty of games (primarily on MU) where town gets stuck in tunnel vision? Could that not be the case here?

It's theoretically possibly both are wrong town. It happens a lot. Strawmen cases are very anti-town. They decided that Sakura was scummy and then used her response to justify it.

There's even a theoetical chance they are trying to convince themselves of Sakura being scum.

It's just so anti-characteristic of Cerb when I ususally get hemms and haws no matter how hard I plead.

UFO just tends to chase strawmen so less worrying from him.

[Titus]

I'm putting Nancy as town for now, I really like the nuanced questioning. Pretty typical Nancy but I can't remember a scumgame. Is Nancy this open and honest as scum?

[Titus]

I will renominate kokichi for leader tomorrow.

I want Cerb! *arm wrestles hebi*

I will renom Kokichi unless I deem it inappropriate

I'll act as a second flavour mod since someone used a post restriction power on me that forces me to have to post a youtube vid in each post. It's rather obnoxious so I'll probably just make empty flavour posts.

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95% sure you are lying as everyone started vanilla, and I find it doubtful has a post restriction pre-game ability. Besides, if they did, why would the use it on you if all people?

Why would anyone make something like this up?

Because it excuses a lack of readable content?

Oh sorrry, I missed this. I see your point. What do you make of Muffin defending it then?

The PR is probably fake. I've faked a PR as both alignments. Just the action is not optimal scum to be real.

Do you think Katsuki’s scum though? Gamma is not wrong to view this as very convenient. Muffin just taking his claim at face value without questioning it more is kind of strange.

Convienent how? All it does is show who read the rules and who did not. I was content to ignore his NAI fake until people started basing reads off it.

[Titus]

Completely disagree with everything you just said. Faking a PR is totally NAI and ignorable unless people build reads off it. I don't think what zmuffin is doing is wierd.

[Titus]

Oh man, and just when i was thinking of switching my vote, Cerb goes ahead and posts #353

It does seem rather hinky. It's rather unlike Cerb to suppose town can just keep 6 people alive indefinitely and that FA would automatically trust him. Seems exactly why scum would let FA be a leader. Town!Cerb is more of a critical thinker than that. Town!Cerb would also consider the possibility of a factionsl strongman.

VOTE: Cerb

I dunno. I think Cerb is likely town here based on meta. Where do you get that scum wanted FA to be a leader? It looked like a mostly town vote to me. Why would you think FA’s being a leader is primarily scum motivated?

Basic math. 5 scum. If scum didn't want FA to be leader, they coordinate on someone else. FA has received fewer than 5 votes claimed. The Day 1 leader is always scum motivated. (Note: That does not mean FA scum).

Cerb acting as if he cannot die is rather scummy. A town Cerb considers that a) There might be a factional strongman b) That FA might read him as scum incorrectly and thus not give him a vest or c) imply she would give cerb a vest to protect more town reads but scum shoot Cerb anyway.

Titus, people don't shoot me. You know that. I know that. I have been shot at like three times ever in all the games of mafia I've played, and one of those times it was because I literally claimed cop on D1. I have been lynched EVEN LESS OFTEN. I'm ALWAYS this certain(regardless of alignment) that I will not die. The potential of power just makes it EVEN LESS LIKELY, given that 33% of the available powers will prevent a kill from hitting the person who takes the power.

In addition...read my posts? Actually respond to those? Please don't do the bullshit "oh you're scum now so I'm not going to interact with you" thing that so many fucking idiots here do. I called out factionals and other possibilities REPEATEDLY, and B/C *don't actually matter because the only thing that matters is maintaining that the POSSIBILITY of protection exists for me.

I'm definitely not repeating that day 1 again.

And so what im doing in this game was born.

Okay. So this, along with the "deliberately ignoring thing", ping me pretty hard. Normally, when someone looks at a post I made and chooses to ignore all of it except one part, they just do so without the snarky comment included. This generally results in them getting pushed more about the part they ignored by myself, and anyone else who was interested in the point(s) I raised.

I see deliberately calling out the fact that she ignored the rest of the post as an attempt to preempt said pushing. I was debating whether to ask if that bit of flavor in Sakuras post was characteristic of her posting style, or if it had a good chance of being preemptive scum deflection, but this last post seems to support my position . Here Sakura is again, preempting questioning about her reason for playing the way she is, by posting a link and a joke. She already said it was because of a game in the past, nobody asked for a link to the game or anything, but here she is ready to justify what she's doing before the conversation gets too deep into whether her behavior is anti-town or not.

I love that sakura is being pushed for this and find your reasoning extremely villagery from you, and I was villa reading your posting before anyway so this is cool. I don't know if I agree with this, though. I don't think sakura is necessarily doing what she is doing as an excuse to not work on the game, but rather because she is the kind of individualistic millennial generation type of player. I'm sure she'll start posting reads as the game progresses regardless of her rand.

I find you both are acting arrogant and fail to understand relevance. Everyone, even me, selectively responds. Why and to what reveal alignment. By jumping to the scum conclusion, it's not hunting but a straw man. For d1 it might get something to start the game but nothing to get mighty over. Sakura probably town.

This is even stupider than the previous thing, somehow. I'm fucking astonished by your audacity in stating that *I* fail to understand relevance.

I give ZERO fucks about her choosing to not answer something(it was brought up by her yesterday, and I gave her no notable shit about it). I give MANY fucks about *the way* she chose to not answer things. The question of "is phrasing thigns this way, and throwing in this little addendum pointing out the obvious decision to not answer the rest of the post, something that town!sakura does?" should be naturally fucking implied by my entire post. I say this is suspicious. If that behavior isn't suspicious for this person, tell me why. Is it not suspicious because it's natural behavior for them? Is it not suspicious because it's NEVER SUSPICIOUS, no matter who does it or in what context?

This is also my friendly reminder that I, Titus, do not act outside of my D1 town meta as scum, because that meta makes it really fucking easy to get away with basically anything later in the game. If you think me picking a hill to die on on D1(which, btw, I'm not actually doing, but you somehow seem to think I *am*) is abnormal, it's not scummy. *shrug*

Cerb youknow I'd never ignore you. Abormal means sort which means I vote you unless I get an actual scumread. I have a 100% win rate when we have a neighborhood minus Space Dandy. Talking to you tells me your slignment.

[Titus]

The possibility of protection exists for everyone barring a strongman. No grandstanding needs to be done to protect it.

[Titus]

I haven't seen you actually consider them. Which posts do you feel I missed? I am human and have been swamped a bit.

[Titus]

The possibility of protection exists for everyone barring a strongman.

No grandstanding needs to be done to protect it.

I disagree with the bolded, because people are stupid. Gotta keep shoving their faces in the fact that up to ~20% of the game could be BP after tonight alone, thereby giving them cause to utilize (hopefully limited use) factional powers to ensure kills occur!

Why? Frozen is not announcing or being leashed. Scum might be in the percentages. Such a move denies investigatives as well, which is great for a charismatic face such as yourself.

[Titus]

I'd rather take 6 trackers, use the kill information for VCA.

[Titus]

Or better yet, enhanced hearing

[Titus]

Yes, you mentioned them. Yet, you disregard them in insisting on mass bp plan.

[Titus]

I don't think scumtus finds the things I'm noting about Sakura threatening enough to move to protect her if they were teammates. If Titus is scum, this is weak protection being offered up for a known town flip, and not protection of a buddy...and I'm not sure how often Titus would actually do this as scum at this point, so it's super weak cause to be suspicious of her.

notice, cerberus, that I'm not making an associative read between titus and sakura. in fact, I find it more likely that sakura is town if titus is a wolf trying to defend her in this situation. but this is not what my read is about. I'm just concerned with 1) clearly not reading my posting, 2) drawing leans, even null-like leans from it wrt my alignment and 3) defending sakura from accusation I didn't participate in. I think that's all very lazy in a scummy way.

You and Cerb both were implying Sakura was scummy for her posting. I didn't draw a lean on your alignment. When I am town, we consistently have such fights where you walk back what you claim or argue disagreeing with you is bad or scummy. You did it with Sakura now me.

[Titus]

*nods* All noted. Something that is missing from my post was my internal thoughts that led to the post, which was mainly my knowledge that Titus is generally fairly protective of her scum teammates, which is why all of that is in the context of her protecting a teammate.

ah yes, I understand where you're coming from. I know that's how titus behaves a whole lot, and I agree in this stance your push isn't incriminating enough that she needs to put herself out there as defending a scum team mate.

either way I think at least you, sando and frozen angel are all town. I should have harder leans this deep into d1 but the game isn't moving forward in any way.

Newsflash, it doesn't here. People wait for some trivial thing to blow out of proportion. It gets countered. That's RVS.

[Titus]

Also, Cerb I did not move the goalposts.

A good Cerb knows nightless isn't a setup town wins. A good Cerb realizes that his claim gives no invests. You're acting in your walls as if one did not exist. Mentioning something is not intellectual vigor.

It's just odd. A good Cerb knows there are serious flaws logically with you.

[Titus]

I don't think scumtus finds the things I'm noting about Sakura threatening enough to move to protect her if they were teammates. If Titus is scum, this is weak protection being offered up for a known town flip, and not protection of a buddy...and I'm not sure how often Titus would actually do this as scum at this point, so it's super weak cause to be suspicious of her.

notice, cerberus, that I'm not making an associative read between titus and sakura. in fact, I find it more likely that sakura is town if titus is a wolf trying to defend her in this situation. but this is not what my read is about. I'm just concerned with 1) clearly not reading my posting, 2) drawing leans, even null-like leans from it wrt my alignment and 3) defending sakura from accusation I didn't participate in. I think that's all very lazy in a scummy way.

You and Cerb both were implying Sakura was scummy for her posting.

I didn't draw a lean on your alignment. When I am town, we consistently have such fights where you walk back what you claim or argue disagreeing with you is bad or scummy. You did it with Sakura now me.

bolded is false and shows you haven't been reading with the attention you're supposed to.

what did I and sakura disagreed with and where did I ever say she was scummy?

what did me and you disagreed with and where did I say you were scummy for it?

Liyerally, it's the entire conversation.

[Titus]

@titus: notice the only TvT fight I ever had with you, titus, was when I was hydraing with divagreen and rolling with her read of your slot. that was the only TvT fight we had. otherwise we've been either both scum or scum vs town in every game IIRC. in the two games we were both town (that light game on MU and the other game I got mislynched), I managed to townread you and you've townread me. so your ideas on how I play and how hard we go at each other aren't necessarily all there. that one hydra game and assassins' creed were the games we tried to kill each other, but in AC you were a wolf.

No. You picked a fight with me when I caught the entire scumteam d1 on MU. I can never find that game though when I need it. You and Raj are the same. You love consensus and you think its right.

I hate consensus without challenge. Therefore you view me as the enemy.

[Titus]

Like I literally cannot whiteknight Sakura from your comments UFO if they are not shading her. It's definitional.

[Titus]

But if you aren't implying Sakura is scummy, write better.

i gtg

[Titus]

you gave reads, just didn't expand when asked.

That is correct.

if you can go down from your millennial podium for a second to explain this one I'd appreciate it.

I'd appreciate it if you didnt talk about it in that way, I never said I was better than anyone, nor that my reads should be listened to without explanation, im just relaxing and being lazy.

These posts shade Sakura fwiw. You imply she's millenial and thus lesser.

[Titus]

@titus: notice the only TvT fight I ever had with you, titus, was when I was hydraing with divagreen and rolling with her read of your slot. that was the only TvT fight we had. otherwise we've been either both scum or scum vs town in every game IIRC. in the two games we were both town (that light game on MU and the other game I got mislynched), I managed to townread you and you've townread me. so your ideas on how I play and how hard we go at each other aren't necessarily all there. that one hydra game and assassins' creed were the games we tried to kill each other, but in AC you were a wolf.

No. You picked a fight with me when I caught the entire scumteam d1 on MU. I can never find that game though when I need it. You and Raj are the same. You love consensus and you think its right.

I hate consensus without challenge. Therefore you view me as the enemy.

you caught one wolf for extremely titus astrological reasons only you understand, and then you caught me (more especifically, you caught diva) who was a villager as their wolfbro. you did not catch the entire scumteam. and me and divagreen played an absolutely gorgeous game after you were dead, tyvm.

where am I someone who loves consensus? you're just attributing lots of things to my game that I'm not.

Not the same game. The game I was hydraed with divagreen was just a bunch of personal baggage crap when I FoSed one scum. Town crapped the bed and attacked me for it so I gave up.

[Titus]

Ok, I am never lynching Sando D1. His avatar is too precious.

[Titus]

@cupcake

read human sequencer and 123456789 ISOs and tell me what you see

What are you trying to say here?

[Titus]

uh... i was trying to say "i like cheese" but for some reason it came out as "read human sequencer and 123456789 ISOs and tell me what you see"

strange

*arms fold*

Why are you just telling people to read ISOs without anything in particular? Why those two? What are you trying to suggest?

[Titus]

@Zmuffin, why? Why those two? I am trying to see if you have a thought process here.

[Titus]

there's a link between them but it's not important

they're both scum individually

Explain please.

[Titus]

Ok, I am never lynching Sando D1. His avatar is too precious.

We should never lynch sando anyhow.

A guy who has an avatar referencing my most adorable cult game and one of my favorite hydras just can't be lynched today lol. Too bad I couldn't actually keep up and felt bad for making ppl lose.

[Titus]

the link? no. need more data before i talk about that

why they're scum individually? i thought it would be obvious to anyone who'd read their ISOs - if you don't see it, then you don't see it

i'll throw you a bone and say that there's a lack of incisive commentary from either player and that plays a part in it. think about the movitations behind why they ask the particular questions they ask too

Reading ISOs tends to remove commentary.

I'll keep an eye on their posts as they happen though.

[Titus]

*headdesk

Ugh, I keep looking at them and I'm not sure what exactly am I supposed to be finding to see what you're seeing, how do you even do this, I wanna learn.

Welcome to my world. People use words all the time with implications and meanings they claim were never the intention despite the words being clear on their face. Then others draw non sensical meanings everyone else goes along with and look at me wierd for using plain English.

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I will be out for the day mostly. Catch you later.

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you gave reads, just didn't expand when asked.

That is correct.

if you can go down from your millennial podium for a second to explain this one I'd appreciate it.

I'd appreciate it if you didnt talk about it in that way, I never said I was better than anyone, nor that my reads should be listened to without explanation, im just relaxing and being lazy.

These posts shade Sakura fwiw. You imply she's millenial and thus lesser.

VOTE: titus

I'm doing this.

calling someone a millennial being on the same footing with shading them has to be the most nonsense thing I was ever accused with, which reminds me of when I posted a voldemort gif and you said I was claiming scum in assassins' creed.

this is what you do as scum. you throw any logic out the window to push whatever you want pushed. you'd be more reasonable as town.

Idk about that millenial logic, if you were'nt shading what were you doing?

criticizing.

I struggle with following that. Criticizing involves attacking the arguments, much like Cerb and I do to each other. Shading is more ad hominem if you follow. It criticizes the person more than the argument. For instance, he's scum and not worth listening to. So when you call Sakura an entilted millenial, it has zero to do with her position but attacks her credibility as an individusl.

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Also, Cerb I did not move the goalposts.

A good Cerb knows nightless isn't a setup town wins. A good Cerb realizes that his claim gives no invests. You're acting in your walls as if one did not exist. Mentioning something is not intellectual vigor.

It's just odd. A good Cerb knows there are serious flaws logically with you.

How is nightless not a setup town wins?

town struggles in 2 v 9 or 11, 5 v 18? Ok...sure.

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Ok, I am never lynching Sando D1. His avatar is too precious.

We should never lynch sando anyhow.

A guy who has an avatar referencing my most adorable cult game and one of my favorite hydras just can't be lynched today lol. Too bad I couldn't actually keep up and felt bad for making ppl lose.

tutti frutti bless

It was fun. I didn't check the post game. I don't know if I was too cute by half or not bc I don't know if Lord Quas knew I recruited him or not.

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Ok, I am never lynching Sando D1. His avatar is too precious.

We should never lynch sando anyhow.

A guy who has an avatar referencing my most adorable cult game and one of my favorite hydras just can't be lynched today lol. Too bad I couldn't actually keep up and felt bad for making ppl lose.

tutti frutti bless

It was fun. I didn't check the post game. I don't know if I was too cute by half or not bc I don't know if Lord Quas knew I recruited him or not.

I think a few people were surprised you abandoned your position and at least me and FA thought you should have tried playing it out. I was part of the revelation and we won a pretty bombastic end of day next gameday with half of the remaining town dying.

There comes a point where I knew I was just going to make players lose because I could not perform adequately. It was ok if I did not have to make others lose I would not have surrendered.

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you gave reads, just didn't expand when asked.

That is correct.

if you can go down from your millennial podium for a second to explain this one I'd appreciate it.

I'd appreciate it if you didnt talk about it in that way, I never said I was better than anyone, nor that my reads should be listened to without explanation, im just relaxing and being lazy.

These posts shade Sakura fwiw. You imply she's millenial and thus lesser.

VOTE: titus

I'm doing this.

calling someone a millennial being on the same footing with shading them has to be the most nonsense thing I was ever accused with, which reminds me of when I posted a voldemort gif and you said I was claiming scum in assassins' creed.

this is what you do as scum. you throw any logic out the window to push whatever you want pushed. you'd be more reasonable as town.

Idk about that millenial logic, if you were'nt shading what were you doing?

criticizing.

I struggle with following that. Criticizing involves attacking the arguments, much like Cerb and I do to each other. Shading is more ad hominem if you follow. It criticizes the person more than the argument. For instance, he's scum and not worth listening to. So when you call Sakura an entilted millenial, it has zero to do with her position but attacks her credibility as an individusl.

yeah I was criticizing the individual, cause I find her way to play unhelpful to town. it wasn't a read or shade of her, I townread sakura. when I want someone lynched, you bet I'm gonna leave it extremely clear for you titus.

you can shade an opinion without wanting the slot lynched.

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scum votes look dispersed and not coordinated in any way.

On the surface yes, but I struggle to believe scum played so suboptimally.

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I am VLA for the rest of today.

@Toranga, I haven't had time to synthesize my conclusions today. I'm not pushing someone for the sake of pushing. I feel scum likely influenced the pick of FA but that fact alone doesn't warrant pushing a particular slot. Also, I don't like you saying or implying that I'm doing nothing with the high amounts of effort I have done to sort you Cerb and Sakura today.

You are the very thing you claim to be aggressive against. You expect one style of play and I consistently disappoint you because I don't jump in front of the evidence.

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FA could be scum or scum could be charismatic and capable of buddying FA. Either is scum influence in picking FA. It's also impossible to pressure FA to sort her given the fact she's lynch immune.

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FA, cerb, sando, shiro, muffin, human, nancy, gamma, sakura

all town hopefully

Where is your effort to sort the muffin wagon if you think he's town? How can you have Shiro town when there's no cookie?

The rest can be town for now.

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scum votes look dispersed and not coordinated in any way.

On the surface yes, but I struggle to believe scum played so suboptimally.

Two options here imo. No pregame chat, or they preferred to do things discussion or coordination to be natural+increase the noise to signal ratio in the game, since in the absence of a pattern we'll be spending a bunch of time trying to find one.

Tomorrows leader: Should 100% be decided today, and there should be two top options, with enough promised support for each individually that even if the entire scum team were to vote elsewhere they couldn't change who is chosen. Not sure if that's mathematically possible, since by tomorrow morning, assuming worst case without extra kills, the game will be 16:5, which means all the scum *could* say they'll support the *second* candidate, kill them, and then put all their support behind whoever they want as third...but that line is probably unlikely? If the entire town participates and actually acts as they say they will, then any such action by scum that *changes* who the winner is to a complete unknown will necessitate that they all be in a single group of pledged votes, which makes the scum pool nice and easy to sort through. Just changing it from the first choice to the second is mostly immaterial. It's good information to have, but as long as control ends up in the hands of someone who is "widely" townread we're utilizing the mechanics as best as we can.

I agree with the second paragraph. The first, I don't see scum not having pregame chat. Sorry.

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VOTE: titus

I got like 5 minutes of not dealing with the case from hell right now. So, could you expand on this read a bit, or link me to a post where you talk about this read?

Thanks in advance.

He's taking issue with me saying FA was likely scum selected but not singling out a particular slot as doing it.

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VOTE: titus

I got like 5 minutes of not dealing with the case from hell right now. So, could you expand on this read a bit, or link me to a post where you talk about this read?

Thanks in advance.

He's taking issue with me saying FA was likely scum selected but not singling out a particular slot as doing it.

If that's it, I don't get it.

Nor do I but it's a type of argument that certain types of players use a lot, not just UFO. They expect a premise to have an overarching theory d1. Pushing a player is good. I just can't form the confidence to state a likely theory yet.

My next move tomorrow is to compare the zmuffin man wagon to FA voters

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As in I don't understand the plain English meaning of those words

I think scum helped FA to be leader.
UFO wants a specific name.
It's just too early for that.

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Later. I'll be back torrow.

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Both. I expect scum to say this is who we want as leader so we can get roles.

As for lies or contains a scum, too early to tell. I'd have to go through every vote by hand and compare to the VCs. Don't have time.

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VOTE: Numbers

Still need to compare professed leadership votes to wagons but I am highly curious about this. Numbers has done a lot of attacking but very little townreading of slots.

Numbers flip would suggest Tog's alignment as well.

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Spoiler: list votes

TW: Mylo, Chickadee, sando(I think that's who he means by duckling)
Cerb: Drixx, Nancy, random
FA: SDPI(or 1-9), Cerb, Shiro, Toranaga
Kokichi: Gamma, hebichan,
Muffin: Human, Sakura
Katsuki: bbmolla
Gamma: brassherald
Sakura: kokichi
Titus: Nicorobin
ND39: TW
Drixx: Titus
Mylo: muffin

Voting zmuffin at peak (6) - BBmolla, Katsuki, Chickadee, Frozen Angel, Nancy Drew 39, brassherald

Voting z now - BBmolla, Katsuki, Frozen Angel, Nancy Drew 39
voting Numbers now - Z, Sakura, Human, Me

@Ank, I am looking for a give a fuck on how I look. Can't find it. Now if you'll excuse me I got work to do.

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Zmuffin's wagon is devoid of people who voted for FA. If FA is a town driven leadership, then his wagon likely is scum driven somehow. However if FA is a scum driven leadership, then the wagon on zmuffin is likely town driven.

The numbers wagon, being someone who voted FA and is independently scummy is a decent place to start.

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Can you look town in the meantime so I can solve the game

You know I lack that gene. So I am not going to Peacock. Talk to me about Numbers. Do you see that he has little follow through like I do?

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I haven't read through more of the game so I don't have an answer right now

Well when you're ready to talk let me know. I lay my cards on the table and that's all I can do d1.

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VOTE: Numbers

Still need to compare professed leadership votes to wagons but I am highly curious about this. Numbers has done a lot of attacking but very little townreading of slots.

Numbers flip would suggest Tog's alignment as well.

I'm hard tunneling you now titus.

never moving my vote d1. this is a slimy post and will look even worse if 123456789 is actually town which I suspect to be the case.

If numbers is town, then this move is just hard buddying him. I don't think he is though. Seems more like a chainsaw. You never really interacted with the muffin wagon or anything else. You never engaged my substantive thoughts about the likely possibilities of wagons (FA and vote) and their relative alignments. You were upset for that but you don't engage it, instead you pick a fight on my numbers vote. Yet, you don't say anything substantive but that I'm "slimy" and numbers is probably town. Dude, got any meat on your bones or are you a shadow throwing shade?

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Titus, you're not looking very town

The same could be said for your slot.

Random could also be scum by virtue of having done like nothing this game; I can’t remember a single post from them. Same for Mylo who also has a scum meta of keeping quiet.

He's just saying "I am rubber you are glue" to anything. He did the same before when I accused him of shading and no follow up.


I'm obvtown already what are you saying

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First paragraph me. Sorry got quote ate.

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That's a good point.

Clarify

That

plz.

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@Ank, I did. That's because scum likely had a hand in picking FA as leader. That very premise disagreement is why I am being wagoned by Tog. If I suddenly said FA is town therefore scum did not pick her, the wagon on me would disintegrate. I was trying and still am trying to counter the obvious. The three biggest early pushers on me, Numbers Cerb and Toog all voted for FA.

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Jeez another comment calling me dumb for disagreeing.

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I should stick to MU. There my intelligence is respected even if disagreed. I don't get voted for mechanics disagreements and trying to sort from my theory.

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I should stick to MU. There my intelligence is respected even if disagreed. I don't get voted for mechanics disagreements and trying to sort from my theory.

You're literally suggesting a plan that:

1. Is likely to have at least one scum being picked for a superpower regardless just via statistics
2. Makes it so FA is not accountable for her picks
3. Makes it so FA can "happen" to have the picks land on scum if she's scum and claim they were random
4. Basically removes any readability from the mechanic, which is the biggest protown way to use it right now

This is a heavily proscum move and I see you in a better light than to assume you would suggest this as town, so you're scum.

1. This is true if FA picks as well. FA was picked by scum so they know how to manipulate her assuming she's town. Also if random they can get useful things.
2. She's not announcing (proscum) so she cannot be accountable anyway.
3. Yeah but she'll give scum PRs anyway if she picks if scum.
4. There isno readability if she won't claim.

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Yet when I push for FA to claim targets, I get called scummy for wanting that accountability. It's a catch 22. If I say nothing and blindly trust FA, then I am acting proscum. If I speak up, those who like FA and elect her basically attack because they feel like they are untouchable majority who shouldn't be suspected.

What likely happened is scum dispersed on buddyable people.

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FA claims her picks D2. Done.

That solves #4 and #2 by itself, #3 is still better for town because then she's more accountable for it, and #1 is higher information.

She said no. Not like we can pressure her.

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FA claims her picks D2. Done.

That solves #4 and #2 by itself, #3 is still better for town because then she's more accountable for it, and #1 is higher information.

She said no. Not like we can pressure her.

then it's proscum and we wagon her

She's immune as leader.

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Then why were you so gung ho earlier in the game about scum having to have piled up on one person?

Never what I said. I said scum picked the leader. Not that they ganged up.

If they disperse among buddyable targets, they get powers and go deep. Just agreeing with popular targets is good for scum, which is why numbers needs to die.

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She won't be leader day two.

But that leaves us where day 1?

Same predicament. I try to sort my theory. Get jumped. Try to create ideas that remove scum advantage. Get jumped. Like I get disagreeing with mh random theory and wanting to sort me but at least sort me and try to bring something better than out the PRs d2. It does nothing to solve d1.

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She won't be leader day two.

But that leaves us where day 1?

Same predicament. I try to sort my theory. Get jumped. Try to create ideas that remove scum advantage. Get jumped. Like I get disagreeing with mh random theory and wanting to sort me but at least sort me and try to bring something better than out the PRs d2. It does nothing to solve d1.

I don't understand what you're even trying to argue here

FA has no accountability D1. If I try to find who might be scum buddying FA, I get voted by all those who selected FA as leader. Thus negating my ability to find who it is. I get voted for being "incompetent" for trying to find a solution to scum possibily buddying FA.

The forcing FA to claim day 2 does nothing for Day 1. Scum already likely get their hooks in.

So what's your idea to stop FA from giving PRs to scum that are charismatic?

I think it's likely numbers because of the major pushback there.

UFO is just basically being UFO. Cerb was second place according to claimed votes, so he's probably buddied. That leaves numbers.

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I just feel like this d1 is a gigantic catch 22.

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Like I don't slight people for thinking any particular suggestion is anti-town because everything is anti-town. But bring something better.

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This has an implicit assumption; that scum are known enough to ensure that FA cannot give them powers.

How's that big pile of null working for that theory?

Like we can't solve it on d1. I'm not saying we HAVE to do random. I never did but how do you check against charismatic scum?

If we want 6 bp town, then we gotta ensure that a)FA is town b) not agency captured and c) targeting town?

So give me an idea rather than insinuating that only scum me thinks FA could be buddied?

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Everytime I try to get engagement on my reads, I get ignored and tell me to plug my nose. What specifically should I do? Ignore charismatic scum possibility is not the answer.

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This has an implicit assumption; that scum are known enough to ensure that FA cannot give them powers.

???

My assumption is that there will be more information to be able to sort people this way, that's regardless of what amount of people with powers are scum.

Really? And I think that's an assumption I don't share. What evidence do you have of that? That it makes you feel good?

The way to learn about things is not to lynch people trying to sort players because you disagree with how. Like I'll admit I am not 100% correct but damn.

Talk to me about reads please.

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Everytime I try to get engagement on my reads, I get ignored and tell me to plug my nose. What specifically should I do? Ignore charismatic scum possibility is not the answer.

Can you clarify this?

Hi Drixx.

Everytime I tried to engage on numbers in a substantive way, I got attacked.

What I say about Numbers gets ignored except for 1 comment by worst.

Numbers is basically just parroting suspicions and not calling anyone town.

Got any thoughts please? Like I miss you. NAI miss you.

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I'll be back later. I got real life to do.

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This has an implicit assumption; that scum are known enough to ensure that FA cannot give them powers.

???

My assumption is that there will be more information to be able to sort people this way, that's regardless of what amount of people with powers are scum.

Really? And I think that's an assumption I don't share. What evidence do you have of that? That it makes you feel good?

The way to learn about things is not to lynch people trying to sort players because you disagree with how. Like I'll admit I am not 100% correct but damn.

Talk to me about reads please.

1. Frozen's choices is information that is readable, especially after flips.
2. What those players picked as a power is readable, because they know they were picked for a reason.
3. How those powers are used is readable because scum would know they were picked for a reason.

There's expectations for each player when they are especially selected for a PR.
There's accountability for each step in the process because there's intent behind them.

It.
Can.
Be.
Read.

Taking out the first two is just anti town

it cannot. Every choice can be argued as protown or just an easy lie.

There is no accountability method beyond trust people.

Charismatic scum can lie and honest unpopular town like me get villified for highlighting and believing this.

Talk to me about reads. I get that no one is going to help me sort in the most optimal ways but can we stop beating a dead horse and do something productive?

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Yeah man, let's tell all the scum where all the PRs are, sounds like a neat idea.

Wasn't it you who said that we shouldn't rely on PRs this game

Yes, i did, but i still dunno why knowing who is a PR benefits us.

Tbh, This position of just unleashing to FA to her own whims makes more sense than outing PRs. I was searching for a way that didn't need that. We need accountability but no option other than find the buddiers feels good and that still has charismatic scum as a weakness.

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My reads are in my ISO

Dude, I want you to engage MY reads.

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Titus: I might be misremembering, but I *think* FA just said she wasn't going to claim them today, and she didn't know what she would do tomorrow. I don't think she said she definitely wouldn't claim them tomorrow...she was just part of the conversation about the pro's and con's of it.

Valid point that pushing for the pure random thing is proscum, but it would be a prime example of classic Titus moonlogic for her to have reasoned that random is better than deliberate, if the person doing the picking is vulnerable to scum manipulation, without stopping and slapping herself because EVERYONE is subject to scum manipulation, so that means she's just arguing to always randomly select the person.

I'm also a little guilty of this, because I was focused purely on what might make it mathematically more likely that only town end up with abilities, and so expressed acceptance of there being possible value in a modified version of her suggestion.

I agree with substance but not sure why claiming PRs needs to be the accountability method but it may be the only one we have. I also may have misremembered but FA seemed to be against claiming it ever.

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Cerb also can you talk to me about my numbers read?

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What reads

I skimmed your ISO and I don't see any lists or anything unless it's way back towards the front

I didn't make a readwall, I can do that but I was hoping plain text communication is possible.

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Sando - Weak town
BBmolla - Null, weak lean scum
NicoRobin - Lean scum
randomidget - Who? Null problem
Kokichi Oma - Same
Nancy Drew 39 - Town with reservations
hebichan - Town lean
zMuffinMan - Town by wagons, weak town by play
Human Sequencer - Town
Katsuki - Weak town
Sakura Hana - Biggest TR
Toranaga - Conflicted should get a read but I need him to do something other than fight me
Frozen Angel - Townish but maybe captured dunno
123456789 - Eat rope
Shiro - Scum, No cookies
Gamma Emerald - Who
Ankamius brassherald - Town annoying but town
Nosferatu Chickadee - Town
Cerberus v666 - Conflicted by play, leader vote says townish maybe
Myloninja13 - Who
the worst - Needs more
Titus - That Asshole talks behind my back
Drixx - I wanna work on Worm

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Titus: I might be misremembering, but I *think* FA just said she wasn't going to claim them today, and she didn't know what she would do tomorrow. I don't think she said she definitely wouldn't claim them tomorrow...she was just part of the conversation about the pro's and con's of it.

Valid point that pushing for the pure random thing is proscum, but it would be a prime example of classic Titus moonlogic for her to have reasoned that random is better than deliberate, if the person doing the picking is vulnerable to scum manipulation, without stopping and slapping herself because EVERYONE is subject to scum manipulation, so that means she's just arguing to always randomly select the person.

I'm also a little guilty of this, because I was focused purely on what might make it mathematically more likely that only town end up with abilities, and so expressed acceptance of there being possible value in a modified version of her suggestion.

I agree with substance but not sure why claiming PRs needs to be the accountability method but it may be the only one we have. I also may have misremembered but FA seemed to be against claiming it ever.

Claiming PR's is not the *only* accountability method, but the only other option is having the entire group use the spirit thing to privately confirm they all used it, and to coordinate the leader for the day after tomorrow to be among them etc. Only way to potentially keep it known who she selected, but also private, but only works if the dead town person they talk to has good judgment about which of the people who were chosen get to know who the entire team was.

pedit: What about ASDPI Titus?

Their entire play is just proscum. Buddying every suspicion, defending no one. He has no real reads and he's trying to blend in and not make waves.

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Sando - Weak town
BBmolla - Null, weak lean scum
NicoRobin - Lean scum
randomidget - Who? Null problem
Kokichi Oma - Same
Nancy Drew 39 - Town with reservations
hebichan - Town lean
zMuffinMan - Town by wagons, weak town by play
Human Sequencer - Town
Katsuki - Weak town
Sakura Hana - Biggest TR

Toranaga - Conflicted should get a read but I need him to do something other than fight me

Frozen Angel - Townish but maybe captured dunno

123456789 - Eat rope

Shiro - Scum, No cookies

Gamma Emerald - Who
Ankamius brassherald - Town annoying but town
Nosferatu Chickadee - Town

Cerberus v666 - Conflicted by play, leader vote says townish maybe

Myloninja13 - Who
the worst - Needs more
Titus - That Asshole talks behind my back
Drixx - I wanna work on Worm

Bolded are the FA voters. Elaborate on the value of the leader vote for reading each of them.

Rephrase please?

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Katsuki never mentioned who he voted for in our mason chat either.
Don't think it's gamebreaking relevant information tho.

You don't have a mason chat and I don't think it's relevant either because the only person trying to sort people based on it is me and that's clearly unacceptable because I can't put together a unified theory yet.

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Cerb are you asking me why each player votes the way they did or how the leader votes indicate their alignment?

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Sando - Weak town
BBmolla - Null, weak lean scum
NicoRobin - Lean scum
randomidget - Who? Null problem
Kokichi Oma - Same
Nancy Drew 39 - Town with reservations
hebichan - Town lean
zMuffinMan - Town by wagons, weak town by play
Human Sequencer - Town
Katsuki - Weak town
Sakura Hana - Biggest TR

Toranaga - Conflicted should get a read but I need him to do something other than fight me

Frozen Angel - Townish but maybe captured dunno

123456789 - Eat rope

Shiro - Scum, No cookies

Gamma Emerald - Who
Ankamius brassherald - Town annoying but town
Nosferatu Chickadee - Town

Cerberus v666 - Conflicted by play, leader vote says townish maybe

Myloninja13 - Who
the worst - Needs more
Titus - That Asshole talks behind my back
Drixx - I wanna work on Worm

Bolded are the FA voters. Elaborate on the value of the leader vote for reading each of them.

Rephrase please?

You said that my leader vote(for FA) says townish maybe.

I want elaboration on what the same vote, for FA, means for each of the other slots, as well as elaboration on *why* it's townish/not in each case.

You misunderstood. Individually, the votes are NAI. My theory is that scum selected the winner or had a hand in it. The fact you got votes and didn't win suggests you are tiwn.

I can't say whether any individual vote is buddying or not without pressure, which is why I have been trying to engage all of you.

I get OMGUS and step up when I voted Numbers and highlighted his bad play so he's most likely evil but the insistemce that I have to know whom with incomplete information that may not be accurate (5 liars after all).

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okay I actually remembered Katsuki was in TM so I meta'ed her there and she played similar
problem is while pepes are somewhat interpretable, I'm not going to spend my time trying to decode the meaning of anime theme songs, so Katsuki as soon as possible pls explain what your posts mean, and if anyone else can figure them out pls tell me

Katsuki is probably a backup lynch plan if I fail.

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Sando - Weak town
BBmolla - Null, weak lean scum
NicoRobin - Lean scum
randomidget - Who? Null problem
Kokichi Oma - Same
Nancy Drew 39 - Town with reservations
hebichan - Town lean
zMuffinMan - Town by wagons, weak town by play
Human Sequencer - Town
Katsuki - Weak town
Sakura Hana - Biggest TR

Toranaga - Conflicted should get a read but I need him to do something other than fight me

Frozen Angel - Townish but maybe captured dunno

123456789 - Eat rope

Shiro - Scum, No cookies

Gamma Emerald - Who
Ankamius brassherald - Town annoying but town
Nosferatu Chickadee - Town

Cerberus v666 - Conflicted by play, leader vote says townish maybe

Myloninja13 - Who
the worst - Needs more
Titus - That Asshole talks behind my back
Drixx - I wanna work on Worm

Bolded are the FA voters. Elaborate on the value of the leader vote for reading each of them.

Rephrase please?

You said that my leader vote(for FA) says townish maybe.

I want elaboration on what the same vote, for FA, means for each of the other slots, as well as elaboration on *why* it's townish/not in each case.

You misunderstood. Individually, the votes are NAI. My theory is that scum selected the winner or had a hand in it.

The fact you got votes and didn't win suggests you are tiwn.

I can't say whether any individual vote is buddying or not without pressure, which is why I have been trying to engage all of you.

I get OMGUS and step up when I voted Numbers and highlighted his bad play so he's most likely evil but the insistemce that I have to know whom with incomplete information that may not be accurate (5 liars after all).

Why didn't you also mention that for TW?

Who is TW?

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Is that the Worst? If so, I forgot about him TBH but yes that applies to him as well.

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VLA until Monday

Sorry my partner's in trial and its tak8ng too much out of me. I can tell in my posting.

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No. I was probably made leader because town wanted it. I was right yesterday in that scum wanted FA. So why wouldn't town vote for me? Let's all claim our votes to see this. If it shows I should not have been the leader, I'll eat my words. We can then put FA or majority target today as the vote leaders. If I was duly elected as the leader, we can sort the players claiming to vote me and see if any might be scum voting.

I voted for Ank btw.

[Titus]

either titus is being voted to become the leader as a way for framing her or she is really scum and is open wolfing/double bluffing us by choosing herself as leader.

I can't vote for myself. At max, if I am understanding correctly only 3 votes could be swung onto me by scum.

[Titus]

It's a scum play to delay her being lynched while also giving her team powers. It makes a lot of sense with multiple competent players currently scumreading her.

It's not that crazy of an idea.

So, multple "competent" players scumreading me when my theories turned out correct must mean scum picked me? That's demeaning, insulting and wrong. Scum should want me lynched today because of my high accuracy rate.

[Titus]

It's almost 100% that the scumteam piles votes into Titus. we're probably just gonna get lies.

Then, we sort through the "lies".

[Titus]

(if you're scum, that's true, yes)

Right so the situations are

1) Town picked me. [Mute the wrong loudmouths and let me work]
2) Scum picked me. 3 or fewer votes wrong, my alignment unknown.
3) Scum picked me 4 or more votes wrong, I am locktown and scum think I would be thrown off by the nk or being leader.

[Titus]

No, it means that you're more likely to be lynched from it and will have a more difficult time dismantling it. It has nothing to do with your ability or accuracy.

So the plan to lynch me is to make me lynch immune and give me another day to be accurate and give town powers?

[Titus]

Granted tho, idk why, but i had this gut feeling that Titus was the scum CW yesterday. Maybe it had something to do with Ankamius trying to equalize the wagons.

Did you announce who you voted for?

[Titus]

i can't even make sense of #1885, even taking into account it's titus logic

can someone please translate that into english

I'll rewrite it. Again. #annoyed

Either

a)Town picked me as leader bc I am correct.
b) Scum picked me as leader and 3 votes or less can be changed to make the result be someone else.
c) Scum picked me and 4 votes must be changed for me not to be leader.

If c is accurate I am conftown. How hard is that?

[Titus]

none of a, b or c are sound

Why?

[Titus]

i can't even make sense of #1885, even taking into account it's titus logic

can someone please translate that into english

I'll rewrite it. Again. #annoyed

Either

a)Town picked me as leader bc I am correct.
b) Scum picked me as leader and 3 votes or less can be changed to make the result be someone else.
c) Scum picked me and 4 votes must be changed for me not to be leader.

If c is accurate I am conftown. How hard is that?

This isn't really provable in any way anymore

Like I said to Ank, why?

[Titus]

Btw, if you all want homework for why Titus is very likely scum via Numbers:

1. 123456789 had a basis behind all his other strong scumreads from very early on in the day. The Titus one is the only one that is weird and forced.
2. As a combination of this, he made this post, this post, and this post.

It looks like a botched distancing attempt to try to get at least one of the two scum currently under the most fire some needed towncred to get further in the game.

Or I was his counterwagon and he needed an excuse to vote me?

[Titus]

Plus I was right on scum voting for Frozen because she's malleable.

[Titus]

I don't think you understand my point Titus

He tried to force a scumread on you when he wasn't on the chopping block and you really weren't either

Then when it was you or him, he tried to defend you from me. Why?

We were the only two viable wagons the entire day. Second, every read scum has is forced. So your premises are just wrong.

Defending the only viable cw is a fast way to try and generate towncred.

So let's just prove I am town elected or find some liars.

[Titus]

Even in a weird universe where you're correct and the wagons were only on you all day, that doesn't change my point that his read on you was forced and yet he tried to avoid getting you lynched late in the day.

Nor does it change the reality that every scum read is forced and that whiteknighting your cw as scum is a great way for towncred.

Seee he's not survivalistic, he defended his counter. Must not be scum.

....

So are you willing to find a liar with me or not? If you think we can't see who might be lying based on leader votes, then say why. Pressuring those who voted for FA worked pretty damn well yesterday.

[Titus]

I kinda wanna vote zmuffin or Ank. I doubt both are scum, since two scum taking the proud "I'm not going to actually do anything but say you are wrong" approach is remote considering I haven't reset my reads yet tiday.

[Titus]

Am I being equally proud back or should I just put them on mute and work around them?

[Titus]

Two people have claimed it so far so idk

Can you make a list of the votes? I'll check it later. It will at least try substantive conversation rather than dick waiving. If you won't, I will but still.

[Titus]

(oh, and if you ever want to push ankamius youre going to have to explain why brass sees his scum buddy spamming and gets so fed up he replaces out, which alone is enough to say they weren't scum together but there were a lot more interactions than just that)

This makes no sense. Who is brass? Why are brass and Nico partners?

Why can't we just count votes?

[Titus]

Plus I was right on scum voting for Frozen because she's malleable.

Who is scum in people I picked? WHo are the other scum who "Wanted" to make me leader and why are they scum?

Maybe you gave to zero, what scum expected of you doesn't mean they succeed. Scum wanted you as evidenced by Numbers being the tie breaking vote to elect you. Combine that with Cerb dying. Cerb wagon might be pure.

Numbers wanted you. He voted you.

[Titus]

i want titus to talk about things that fuckin aren't the leadership mechanic

its like her entire input this game

Yeah, well it is the entire game fmpov.

[Titus]

Plus I was right on scum voting for Frozen because she's malleable.

Who is scum in people I picked? WHo are the other scum who "Wanted" to make me leader and why are they scum?

Maybe you gave to zero, what scum expected of you doesn't mean they succeed. Scum wanted you as evidenced by Numbers being the tie breaking vote to elect you. Combine that with Cerb dying. Cerb wagon might be pure.

Numbers wanted you. He voted you.

Yes But I would never in hell give them a power role ever. You said they found me manipulatable. "THEY" wanted to pick me not just one scum. I wouldn't have been a leader with just one scum vote if they wanted to force it through. cerb died as a villa. Who else - in my alive voters is scum who wanted that happen that they could actually hope I would give them a power role? Shiro?

They probably picked you or several possible options. Diluted to people who could be liked or Numbers is the only one who didn't lie. Numbers thought you couldn't pick an all town team, not that you'd pick him specifically.

They killed Cerb suggesting he could not be contained. Let's look at who voted Cerb to start a townblock if you are interested in solving.

Can you stop implying that I am dumb/insane because you don't get me? I thought we moved past this.

[Titus]

i want titus to talk about things that fuckin aren't the leadership mechanic

its like her entire input this game

Well, I don’t understand why she is so convinced FA was mostly a scumvote. Well, we know of at least one.

No. It was a scum selection. Mostly may not be true.

[Titus]

tfw reads and scumhunting don't exist to titus

Reads and scumhunting d1 are nothing more than charisma.

[Titus]

the worst, hebichan and shiro need another look imo

Why those 3?

[Titus]

And why do you think you were not a scum selection again?

Because I started the pressure on voters on your wagon. It resulted in a Numbers lynch. Even if town doesn't understand (charitable to call all active posters town), they wouldn't elect it.

[Titus]

the worst, hebichan and shiro need another look imo

Why those 3?

They all claimed they voted for a dead person last night to be a leader or that they missed the deadline and they are the people who make most sense of being lieing about it in that list

There's others that missed the deadline too. I agree with the sentiment. I am just surprised BBMolla is not here given the argument scum selected me.

[Titus]

And why do you think you were not a scum selection again?

Because I started the pressure on voters on your wagon. It resulted in a Numbers lynch. Even if town doesn't understand (charitable to call all active posters town),

they

scum wouldn't elect it.

Bad grammar. Fixed.

[Titus]

tfw reads and scumhunting don't exist to titus

Reads and scumhunting d1 are nothing more than charisma.

Well in my second game on here, I almost got mislynched in the first couple of hours for being extremely annoying. Is that what you mean?

Nope. Nancy you're newer here. People literally think that their gut is somehow more valuable than hard data, when lynching randomly is more likely to hit scum.

People probably expected me to be humble today because I almost got lynched but it failed because there just were not enough bad town. I'll be humbled if it's proven scum did pick me but I fully expect the naysayers to actually try to work with me.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to look at who elected Cerb yesterday.

[Titus]

EDIT: RECEIVED A PM THAT TITUS IS SCUM LAST NIGHT BTW SO LYNCH WHENEVER

Ok, a) gambit failed. b) gambit really failed.

Who else is scum?

[Titus]

You and drixx voted for cerb or claimed that if I'm right

And that makes neither of you town because of cerb flip

No, I voted for Drixx.

[Titus]

hebichan, you should answer tw, but I'm more interested in how you went from 1114 to 1259.

pedit: ninja'd!

I don't know what you meant by "how I went to"

The first post was me following up on how I said I didn't like how you were discounting certain wagons based on the number of supporters, and you saying that certain wagons were unviable.

The second was a lynchpool.

At the end of 1114 you said you didn't even want a numbers lynch.

How do you go from that, to including them in the people you're willing to lynch today? As a matter of fact, what's even the point of that, rather than just voting them, when their wagon clearly has momentum to it?

hebichan, you should answer tw, but I'm more interested in how you went from 1114 to 1259.

pedit: ninja'd!

Drixx Nancy random allegedly voted for Cerb.

Cerb was fosing hebi at his death.

[Titus]

why do you think cerb voters yesterday were town when obviously they were scattered or lieing as the votes on me were both from town and scum?

Because Cerb was killed. If Cerb could be manipulated, they wouldn't need to kill him unless his reads were accurate.

[Titus]

VOTE: hebichan

FA, thoughts on hebi then?

As for that, Scum would never exclusively pile on you even if you were scum. That's insane. The fact is Cerb does not have a reputation for liking players early. You do. Cerb is too cautious imo in that regard but it makes him a horrible choice for scum to vote. The nightkill on Cerb suggests he is of no value.

[Titus]

tfw reads and scumhunting don't exist to titus

Reads and scumhunting d1 are nothing more than charisma.

Well in my second game on here, I almost got mislynched in the first couple of hours for being extremely annoying. Is that what you mean?

Nope. Nancy you're newer here. People literally think that their gut is somehow more valuable than hard data, when lynching randomly is more likely to hit scum.

People probably expected me to be humble today because I almost got lynched but it failed because there just were not enough bad town. I'll be humbled if it's proven scum did pick me but I fully expect the naysayers to actually try to work with me.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to look at who elected Cerb yesterday.

Yesterday? I voted him and I believe so did random. I dunno about lynching randomly. I tend to focus on inconsistencies or false claims. For example, hebi is claiming falsely that I pushed you as leader. I intend to hold her feet to the fire on that because I know I never did any such thing.

@Nancy, I wasn't seriously suggesting a random lynch. It defeats the point of playing but to pretend anything without data is more than a popularity contest is dumb. We are all flawed, even me.

@Sakura, wtf is into you? Are you trying to annoy me now?

[Titus]

The fact is Cerb does not have a reputation for liking players early. You do.

What reputation are you talking about?

Do you even know how I play?

The reputation you have for being warm and bubbly to anyone warm and kind to you. You're basically a mirror. If someone townreads you and is nice to you, 9/10 you will do the same back.

Cerb would not give a lot of early reads and it drives me crazy.

Two sides of the same coin. One is easier for scum to influence early but harder to dialogue with to appear town to everyone else.

[Titus]

@Sakura, wtf is into you? Are you trying to annoy me now?

But you have a guilty from my mason partner!

Ok, we both know that guilties and masonries are not things. So why are you wasting my time?

I am trying to find a town core with sound and solid judgment to give powers to and everyone woke up and decided to insult me because I had a good d1.

I just don't get this game.

[Titus]

The reputation you have for being warm and bubbly to anyone warm and kind to you. You're basically a mirror. If someone townreads you and is nice to you, 9/10 you will do the same back.

May I ask you to name 1 game this happened in?

Any game I was scum against you. I think Math did it in Shadowrun specifically but it's something I have known about you for awhile.

I have that same flaw but on an intellectual level, which makes today more frustrating.

[Titus]

I never give early reads.

My readlists usually doesn't have a town tier. My motto is "Never vomit reads". My play style is that to seprate alarming behaviors and anlyze the pattern of them accuring. to trust people who don't do that but always doubt their intentions.

That's how I play my mafia games. It's actually quite intresting that you claim my meta is giving so many reads early.

It's not a magical talisman but go back and check your selections and look at their tone towards you. You'll see I was right.

[Titus]

like you're literally lying about every part of my town meta to make your point go across. There are people here who have been playing with me recently and there are players here who played with me a year ago.

Nah, you're just too proud to admit your vulnerability when I tell it straight to your face. Oh well.

Like I got flaws too and you could lay back into me to ensure I pick town. We can hash it out. Or you can pretend that my criticisms of you are worthless pointless and everything that happens is a coincidence. I'm ok with either but I prefer being honest with you.

[Titus]

The reputation you have for being warm and bubbly to anyone warm and kind to you. You're basically a mirror. If someone townreads you and is nice to you, 9/10 you will do the same back.

May I ask you to name 1 game this happened in?

Any game I was scum against you. I think Math did it in Shadowrun specifically but it's something I have known about you for awhile.

I have that same flaw but on an intellectual level, which makes today more frustrating.

I was hard going on math in that game till she sent me a letter and claimed doctor who was healing me. So I holstered my push on her for a while to see how the game will go forward - just to get tricked by her and to die in the next adventure. how is that me giving an early read like you claimed?

Oh this is exactly the point.

Math did something nice for you.
You holstered your punch.

Scum are nice. You do things for scum.

Scum win.

So I went in assuming scum would do that.

[Titus]

I never give early reads.

My readlists usually doesn't have a town tier. My motto is "Never vomit reads". My play style is that to seprate alarming behaviors and anlyze the pattern of them accuring. to trust people who don't do that but always doubt their intentions.

That's how I play my mafia games. It's actually quite intresting that you claim my meta is giving so many reads early.

It's not a magical talisman but go back and check your selections and look at their tone towards you. You'll see I was right.

No you were not. I picked ufo and ank and cerb cause I had found them most towny in this game. I formed a read on nancy based on her play in this game. Shiro was just a place holder I didn't change before eod.

I didn't pick the people who voted me because they voted me. I didn't even realize they were on my list till eod happened and I find it triggering that you think I did.

I'm sorry but the data speaks for itself. I don't like calling it out like this but it is what it is. I don't think scum you reacts like this, so I got my read on you though.

[Titus]

like you're literally lying about every part of my town meta to make your point go across. There are people here who have been playing with me recently and there are players here who played with me a year ago.

Nah, you're just too proud to admit your vulnerability when I tell it straight to your face. Oh well.

Like I got flaws too and you could lay back into me to ensure I pick town. We can hash it out. Or you can pretend that my criticisms of you are worthless pointless and everything that happens is a coincidence. I'm ok with either but I prefer being honest with you.

I'm just asking you to show me my vulnerability. I really want to work on it if it's real yet you bring an example that has nothing to do with you claimed about me.

I'm trying to. Your vulnerability is you don't scrutinize people being nice to you enough. That's it in a nutshell.

Now, lay into me. What should I watch out for? What's my blind spot?

[Normally, I would do this with Drixx/Cerb but...]

[Titus]

tfw reads and scumhunting don't exist to titus

Reads and scumhunting d1 are nothing more than charisma.

Well in my second game on here, I almost got mislynched in the first couple of hours for being extremely annoying. Is that what you mean?

Nope. Nancy you're newer here. People literally think that their gut is somehow more valuable than hard data, when lynching randomly is more likely to hit scum.

People probably expected me to be humble today because I almost got lynched but it failed because there just were not enough bad town. I'll be humbled if it's proven scum did pick me but I fully expect the naysayers to actually try to work with me.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to look at who elected Cerb yesterday.

Yesterday? I voted him and I believe so did random. I dunno about lynching randomly. I tend to focus on inconsistencies or false claims. For example, hebi is claiming falsely that I pushed you as leader. I intend to hold her feet to the fire on that because I know I never did any such thing.

@Nancy, I wasn't seriously suggesting a random lynch. It defeats the point of playing but to pretend anything without data is more than a popularity contest is dumb. We are all flawed, even me.

@Sakura, wtf is into you? Are you trying to annoy me now?

No, I was referring to D1. Random and I both voted Cerb on D1. I voted Sakura on D2.

Umm random lynch in context is roll the dice not lynch the random slot...

People....

[Titus]

stop spamming the fucking thread with shit nobody cares about thanks

stop fucking quoting massive walls and writing 1 line responses

jesus fucking christ

Oh another comment attempting to demotivate me.

If you hate what I am doing, THEN DO SOMETHING.

No wait, it's easier to pick on me.

[Titus]

I'm sorry but the data speaks for itself. I don't like calling it out like this but it is what it is. I don't think scum you reacts like this, so I got my read on you though.

First, this is disgusting coming from you making it look like you were reaction testing me. This is actually very scummy coming from you as defense.

Second, I find this discussion bullshit now. If you're town, it's too good to know how low you think about my town play. If you're scum you just passed a red line insulting my game play like this. Regardless this discussion is over now.

It wasn't a reaction test but more of a side effect.

I don't think you're a bad player fwiw. I'm sorry if highlighting your flaw hurt you. I have never been good with tact.

I'll go away for a day. I just never meant to make you think I think Low of you. I don't.

I enjoy the time we spent together fwiw.

[Titus]

Also @titus I didn't mean to be rude in that post about you but your moon logic as other players said that before and gave you an under title for it is real. And it is annoying sometimes.

Yes. It's annoying to me that basic logical premises get muddied because someone spams I don't get it. I explain it. They never engage it. Yet I am somehow supposed to make it clear. The repetitive confused statements shading my logic make things mire difficult than they are and make legit confused players impossible to sort.

Anyway, I legit am going to take a 24 hour vacay from this thread. Let it breathe and see what others have to say.

[Titus]

I mean sure you think I had that vulnerability

Who was the scum who knew about that vulnerability and thought about abusing it? 1-9? I said this yesterday too. But that makes no sense cause I would never give an ability to 1-9 because they voted me. That was just never going to happen

That I don't know yet. I have to review yesterday's analysis but we're probably looking for someone refusing to vote me yet was hostile to my interactions w you yesterday.

[Titus]

But you keep saying I was pushed by scum to become a leader when 1 of my 4 voters flipped town. That by itself proves the scum votes were scattered at least partially. then you use this same logic to somehow give towncred to cerb voters which make no sense if the votes were scattered or if scum lied about their votes.

Also, votes being scattered MIGHT suggest no pregame chat as much as it's uncommon on this website. I CAN see 1-9 voting for me as a gift to returning to the site because the scum "could not" coordinate.

This comes from the assumption that scum couldn't have scattered their votes among all players weak to buddying. Like I am not trusting Nico slot at all.

[Titus]

If this logic was used to say shiro or ufo are scummy

this is why everything titus writes is a (most likely deliberate) waste of space

she's not drawing the conclusions you would expect a person to draw if they truly believed the things she's saying

(PS: neither of those two names are scum anyway)

I pushed UFO and Shiro a lot yesterday.

If you're going to lie, lie better.

[Titus]

titus, if you're town please talk about anything BUT the leader choice.

your leader choice was scum motivated and will likely be the main reason why you'll get lynched next gameday.

that you're even suggesting you were mostly a town motivated leadership is already outing behaviour.

your spat with FA is only clearing her further if you're scum, and tilting and antagonizing her if you're town.

Then engage me on what I am posting that is not the leader choice.

Engage me on hebi. On zmuffin. On Ank.

Engage me.

If you want me to not talk leader, then engage me on those points. I am talking to FA because she's not spamming you suck.

[Titus]

If this logic was used to say shiro or ufo are scummy

this is why everything titus writes is a (most likely deliberate) waste of space

she's not drawing the conclusions you would expect a person to draw if they truly believed the things she's saying

(PS: neither of those two names are scum anyway)

I pushed UFO and Shiro a lot yesterday.

If you're going to lie, lie better.

you never pushed me. you called out things that made no sense in my posting, by saying I was using a strawman argument to push sakura when I wasn't pushing sakura. then you said I was just being myself and made a readslist suggesting you're having a hard time reading me cause I kept "trying to fight" you.

I pushed you, a lot. not the other way around.

Well I had zero credibility but I did try to get you lynched. I criticized your arguments. If that's not pushing you, then we are using a different definition of the word push.

*shrug*
One that makes no sense.

[Titus]

I pushed UFO and Shiro a lot yesterday.

If you're going to lie, lie better.

literally all of your mentions of shiro yesterday:

How can you have Shiro town when there's no cookie?

Shiro - Scum, No cookies

oh yeah, i bet she felt the burn from that push

fuck, you must have had her sweating hard

No one sweated hard. I have been spammed out where I literally cannot keep up with this thread.

[Titus]

titus, if you're town please talk about anything BUT the leader choice.

your leader choice was scum motivated and will likely be the main reason why you'll get lynched next gameday.

that you're even suggesting you were mostly a town motivated leadership is already outing behaviour.

your spat with FA is only clearing her further if you're scum, and tilting and antagonizing her if you're town.

Then engage me on what I am posting that is not the leader choice.

Engage me on hebi. On zmuffin. On Ank.

Engage me.

If you want me to not talk leader, then engage me on those points. I am talking to FA because she's not spamming you suck.

yeah I understand that.

ank is town. her entire posting d1 felt pure to me, especially on an emotional level. that's why so many people voted her for leader. they see what I'm seeing.

why is hebichan scum? I can actually get behind that.

I am guessing that's part of why Cerb died at EoD. I'd just sheep Cerb atm. I might do that.

[Titus]

I don't think we should spend the whole gameday dunking on titus though. it's annoying.

titus should not talk about leader stuff and be ignored when she does for obvious reasons.

if she is town we're gonna have 2 awful gamedays because of it. I have a hard time imagining anyone else getting lynched on d3.

I know. Half of me just wants to give up now, but that's not the spirit of the game. My only hope is leading another correct lynch, persuading a town that hates me AND actually getting credit for it AND not having people assume bus out of pride.

A quarter of me wants to say suggest lynching obvtown and claim to TR all the scum so you do the opposite and lynch the scum when I die.

I never surrender unless IRL, impossible or continuing makes others lose.

[Titus]

muffin is probably scum

but let's lynch him later

What?

Also, why did you vote for me?

[Titus]

@Tiiiiiiiiiitus, the cookies are ready.

Those do look yummy but is there any substance there? *mouth waters*

[Titus]

No. I was probably made leader because town wanted it. I was right yesterday in that scum wanted FA. So why wouldn't town vote for me? Let's all claim our votes to see this. If it shows I should not have been the leader, I'll eat my words. We can then put FA or majority target today as the vote leaders. If I was duly elected as the leader, we can sort the players claiming to vote me and see if any might be scum voting.

I voted for Ank btw.

I kinda wanna vote zmuffin or Ank. I doubt both are scum, since two scum taking the proud "I'm not going to actually do anything but say you are wrong" approach is remote considering I haven't reset my reads yet tiday.

Okay, found it @zMuffinMan .

@Titus , care to explain this? Why did you change your read on Ank from when you voted her for leader to wanting to lynch her?

Day 2 happened. I was hoping Ank would be the strategic soundboard but just started shouting down what should be true and seemed against seeing who was right. She's chilled a bit since but I don't really care to deal with players opposing me for opposing's sake.

[Titus]

@Titus , please explain to me what the hell happened between Day 1 and day 2. You felt more villagery to me then but ever since the SOD 2, you have been needlessly confrontational and picking fights with people. I also get mad if I think I’m being wrongly scumread but this behaviour is likely going to get you lynched D3.

Oh stop whiteknighting me. Also, don't pretend the people saying they'll oppose me

because I am saying it

are progressing this game. Anyone would have a pissed off stance at

proving FA had a scum on her vote wagon

but being unable to say who, yet a few people stating my election was scum driven....without saying who. I am held to solving the game d1. They don't produce content.

Yet your problem is that I don't smile enough.

Let's call a spade a spade. Some of them are likely trying to piss me off so I am less effective. So rather than gripe about my discomfort, let's hunt scum k? There will always be a double standard for me because I fail to conform. I hit my stride d3. I accept it.

[Titus]

nancy's posts getting slimy again

oh well maybe I should pay attention to this

I won't for now though

Is it slimy arrogant because she's liked or slimy scum playing to my desire to be liked?

[Titus]

Tora let's focus on finding town for right now

Who are some people that are kind of nullish for you but still have a decent chunk of stuff in the thread?

I think Sakura, FA are town.
My vote analysis says all Cerb voters likely town. (If mind recalls that's Nancy, Shiro, Random). Nancy has me questioning.

Do you like that block? Do you think Molla town?

[Titus]

Fallen Angel is very strongly town
I'm not convinced on Sakura anymore
I'm not convinced on Nancy
I'm not convinced on Shiro
I'm not convinced on Randommidget

Why not on Sakura? Do you feel she just changed her tune bc easy? Nancy I'd love elaboration on. Shiro and Random are lurkers and just tentative based on votes. I'd remove them if Cerb suspected them because it would explain the NK.

[Titus]

Fallen Angel is very strongly town
I'm not convinced on Sakura anymore
I'm not convinced on Nancy
I'm not convinced on Shiro
I'm not convinced on Randommidget

Why not on Sakura? Do you feel she just changed her tune bc easy? Nancy I'd love elaboration on. Shiro and Random are lurkers and just tentative based on votes. I'd remove them if Cerb suspected them because it would explain the NK.

How is Shiro a lurker?

Did you not look at Shiro's ISO before asking this?

[Titus]

Spoiler:

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: Frozen Angel

Cerberus v666

: Frozen Angel
Shiro: Frozen Angel
Toranaga: Frozen Angel

Drixx:

Cerberus v666

Nancy Drew 39:

Cerberus v666

Randommidget:

Cerberus v666

Gamma Emerald: Kokichi Oma
Hebichan: Kokichi Oma

Chickadee: The Worst
Sando: The Worst

Human Sequencer: zMuffinMan
Sakura Hana: zMuffinMan

Ankamius: Gamma Emerald

BBmolla: Katsuki

Brandi: Titus

Frozen Angel: Shiro

Kokichi Oma: Sakura Hana

The Worst: Nancy Drew 39

Titus: Drixx

zMuffinMan: MyloNinja13

Katsuki:
MyloNinja13:

Ankamius: Missed Deadline
Brandi/NicoRobin: Missed Deadline
Gamma Emerald: Missed Deadline
hebichan: Missed Deadline
the worst: Missed Deadline
Nosferatu: Missed Deadline

Frozen Angel: Ankamius
Titus: Ankamius

Bbmolla: Titus

Nancy Drew 39: Sakura Hana

Sakura Hana: Katsuki

Shiro:

Cerberus v666

Toranaga : Nancy Drew 39

Drixx: Assuming Cerberus v666?
Human Sequencer:
Katsuki:
Kokichi Oma:
Myloninja13:
randomidget:
Sando:
zMuffinMan: {Ankamius/Sakura Hana/Katsuki/Cerberus v666/Nancy Drew 39}

did I miss anything

Ugh I might have to check this but I doubt there's much wrong. UnlessKochi Hunan or Mylo voted for me and are town, I may have to face that scum are dumb in this.

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Titus very likely never felt truly pressured d1, based off of her thinking she did well.

In correct, I felt I did well because I caught scum despite the pressure applied. Even if you argue I did not lead the charge (want to remove credit as a soyrce of argument), I judge myself by read accuracy.

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Eh i guess it's the best lead so far since the cop guilty's unlynchable
VOTE: Drixx

Why is Drixx a good vote?

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Because Titus is strongly spewed scum and there are very strong powers available for scum today.

This again. I was right d1 about scum voting Frozen. I get the votes aren't there to support me being a town pick but it's what town should have done.

*shrug*

By the way, pro tip, if you want me to actually trust your townblock, you might try to trust in the theoretical possibility I am town.

Right now, I am leaning towards Frozen and Drixx for powers but I know Drixx is controversial.

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Math, just get some reads so I can read you. I'd rather not relecture on mechanics.

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Math, just get some reads so I can read you. I'd rather not relecture on mechanics.

I already said Ank is town and I am not reading 92 pages

Why do you townread FA and Drixx? And why is Drixx controversial?

FA is obvtown. Sorted by personal interactions. Drixx is getting raked over the coals by zmuffin for things that aren't true and trying to work with me.

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I thought you weren't reading? Like, FA had a page or two back and forth sorting each other. I'm not quoting it.

Drixx ISO is short enough.

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I guess I need to go diving on Titus now. I could see her doing this as scum and turning the WiFoM to her favor. I could also see several players in this list who would know putting Titus as leader right now would introduce a ton of confusion. And it has.

I think claims of who you voted for should stop and someone super trusted (FA seems like the best choice) to make an ordered list and have folks claim. There are a few good reasons to do this and the less said about them before we do it the better.

Oh so FA and Drixx are town.

That seems really odd for Titus to just concede that though.

This is weird.

Such a joy to play with you when you scumread intelligence

[Titus]

sigh

yeah, we need to come up with at least one more locktown

Great, who do we have besides FA as locktown?

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I am looking at FA near lock.
Ank and Math with trepidation. I like your postingish but I don't think you'd use the powers strategically optimally.
Nancy Shiro and Drixx based on vote patterns so far.

[Titus]

Add Tonaga in the trepidation category.

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Titus

you realize the point is to keep the powers away from scum more than anything else

right

The point is to get not only town hands but the town hands with the smartest judgment.

What good are PRs if we piss them away in pissing matches?

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For instance, if I elect Math, I would worry about Math taking Double voter and spamming THE TOWN BLOCK IS EBILLLL

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did you see when I posted to shiro over and over again how just one scum needs to be given a power in order for them to have free nightkills on whoever they want until that slot is dead

Nope. Frankly I tuned out for a bit. I'll look through Shiro's ISO.

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Are you talking about the roleblocker suggestion Ank? I read that as a jailkeep?

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For instance, if I elect Math, I would worry about Math taking Double voter and spamming THE TOWN BLOCK IS EBILLLL

How would I take anything? I thought you distribute them?

And I am actually advocating for a block Titus. I generally hate them that is true but in this case it is necessary.

And if I was with double voter and did think that way how would having a PR change that?

I am doing my best to not spam and work with people. Just like you’re basing this on things not even in this game.

Basically the powers are like a store. I get to choose who goes shopping.

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For instance, if I elect Math, I would worry about Math taking Double voter and spamming THE TOWN BLOCK IS EBILLLL

How would I take anything? I thought you distribute them?

And I am actually advocating for a block Titus. I generally hate them that is true but in this case it is necessary.

And if I was with double voter and did think that way how would having a PR change that?

I am doing my best to not spam and work with people. Just like you’re basing this on things not even in this game.

Basically the powers are like a store. I get to choose who goes shopping.

Oh so people pick. So we could end up with a million of one power and none of another.

Yes, so basically I don't want you to Civ it up.

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Are you talking about the roleblocker suggestion Ank? I read that as a jailkeep?

The factional nightkill is not a superpower

It's not? Then would any bp work?

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Math, I already have no idea what you're saying and you're trying to tell me what to do.

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Actually
Cant scum just use power negation on Cerb to prevent any spirit medium from targeting them?

Dead people cannot usually be targeted unless specifically allowed by role.

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Math, I already have no idea what you're saying and you're trying to tell me what to do.

You’re saying “Hey don’t trust Math because they were bad in Civ”

For starters that has no relevance to this game.
Secondly I really dislike how you’re trying to plant the idea “Math is bad don’t give him powers”
Thirdly you’re arguing it based on a bad reason as I am advocating for a block
Fourth if you think I am bad here fucking discuss it

I am 99% sure you’re just intent on calling me bad to try to get others to doubt me.

So like your argument of “I am bad” don’t give me powers has no merit

What am I bad specifically on here that merits that shade?

I am evaluating your play here but the only reason I am considering you is bc random vote and you being read as obvtown.

As much as you would like it, each game is not a clean slate.

You are not clear and concise in your actions.

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I'm talking about police academy 1 in that example, Math.

He was in Civ too.

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Titus

This paranoia isn't warranted, you literally just saw me pull Mathblade into a compromise (albeit with Eddie Cane's help, but I still had a hand in it) when our reads were virtually opposite each other's.

I'm just as heavily engaged in this game, so there's really no reason to assume he's going to go off the rails into whatever lala land you're assuming he'll go into while I'm alive.

90% of the time he does. I will think about it.

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I was thinking FA continuous BP and powers makes for a nice combo. But if that is a bad idea then sorry :/ Been working on a clock but the main idea is there

No I think it's a decent idea, I even suggested it as an option yesterday. But there was also decent amount of talk about Cerb being NKd yesterday, and if he'd picked BP he'd be alive presumably, and a town redirector can very safely redicrect onto the leader overnight, so he had two safe options and seemingly took neither, oh and scum correctly read a superhero team member pick. The other (paranoid) option is FA is lying to us about picking Cerb and killed him while picking a scumpartner.

It seems more likely scum called Cerb's bluff about picking BP rather than FA lying. I could only see that in an FA Hebi comp.

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Titus

This paranoia isn't warranted, you literally just saw me pull Mathblade into a compromise (albeit with Eddie Cane's help, but I still had a hand in it) when our reads were virtually opposite each other's.

I'm just as heavily engaged in this game, so there's really no reason to assume he's going to go off the rails into whatever lala land you're assuming he'll go into while I'm alive.

90% of the time he does. I will think about it.

should I mention that I did that when he was scumreading me

and this game he thinks I'm town

I don't think you have a reason to worry about it

Fine. I'll put you and Math in but if Math goes off the rails...