Lynch the Wolves (Game Over)

[Vecna]

alsi, if the rc replacement actually also claims the tracker result were back to fullclaim or die mode

[Vecna]

hmmm lightbulbs

[Vecna]

Was it you that decided which person that got invited into the hood Mathblade? Or was there someone else in the hood with a strong opinion on whom to invite?

I suggested.
One person talked giving like no town reads and wanting to vig rather incessantly.
The other was so quiet person we both almost thought it was a scum claim.
Eventually they talked and we ended up going with who I suggested.

you told us. and if i was scum with a partner in there i wouldnt give a shit about all this hood business but just kept quiet about it and have lynched your ass while it was super easy and take over the hood tonight. The fact youre still pushing this rediculous narrative while you got down to l2 or whatever it was, even with me fighting against the RC bullshit is idiotic to say the least.

just hush and be quiet and let me do my thing because if youre town youre probably in the process of getting majorly pocketed in that hood, or getting bus driven to have a quiet death for a non suspicious takeover.

[Vecna]

also speaking about lightbulbs - i have a suspicion about what happened last night, and im anchoring this post for when we hear from rcs replacement

[Vecna]

VOTE: ProjectMatt

[Vecna]

gamma emerald, id like your detailed evaluation about the people in the hood. as in, was there scum in the initial 3? was the extra invite an objectively good choice?

Why? Doesn't that indicate who is in there, which Mathblade has explicitly said he doesn't want revealed right now?

so in your opinion the hood is completely safe and his approach is the right one?

[Vecna]

ProjectMatt/NSG was also off the Luna nova wagon

And he did that weird thing of instantly calling the Aronis slot scum upon replace in, then to never speak of the slot again. Some cute bus interaction possibility there, or just a weird thing to do in general. Besides that, the NSG slot did not do very many town-NSG indicative things.

not sure how excited itd be about a keychain wagon as compared to a Theta/PJM, or at this point even a AA9 wagon.

[Vecna]

Who do you think is the scumteam Muffin?

[Vecna]

Fair enough, let me not disturb you then

[Vecna]

VOTE: Theta

[Vecna]

Explain how its shady

[Vecna]

Explain how its shady

Because scum then know who to target and who to mislynch to get control of the hood.

1:they already know this if there is scum in the hood. Without scum in the hood they cannot take it over. Ive stated this about 7 times now. they already know 2 of you anyways, and there are about 3 other PR claims that are better targets
2: wasnt asking you to explain

[Vecna]

Ankamius, since I feel the general Yuurei-playstyle is a weakness in my game - can you point out where you think Yuurei's posts have been scum indicate, and why you think so?

[Vecna]

UNVOTE: Theta

Not that I dont wanna lynch them, but we need confirmation from the RC replacement as to what happened.

[Vecna]

I for one think we should just move past the crap that has happened and focus on making this game pleasant from now on. Staying demotivated because stuff happened just seems rather pointless, and ill still get satisfaction out of trying to solve the game.

[Vecna]

Ankamius, since I feel the general Yuurei-playstyle is a weakness in my game - can you point out where you think Yuurei's posts have been scum indicate, and why you think so?

What playstyle is that? Compare to other players if you have to, because depending on roughly what style it is, my read on him is either damning or useless.

The playstyle that just generally sounds very towny, friendly'ish and genuine. Not sure how to beter characterize it, but thats been my impression from the start. Yet ive been fooled by this type of playstyle quite many a time, and id love to know why and what you think makes their posts scummy - just for me to reflect on in case you turn out to be correct.

[Vecna]

UNVOTE: Mathblade

Anything RC faked is

probably

town.

I know latching onto phrasing is super-scummy, but the phrasing in this game by replacements has been seriously dodgy lol. For the sake of it ill just assume you meant RC in general.

Titus, since ill consider you as a semi-expert on the topic, id like you to ask about how elaborate scum-mathblade gets with mechanical fakeclaiming plans. Is there at all a possibility he fakeclaims a weird hood, that can vig and recruit?

[Vecna]

UNVOTE: Mathblade

Anything RC faked is probably town.

Oh just realized i misinterpreted this post. How odd

[Vecna]

VOTE: Theta Alpine

I guess.....

[Vecna]

Why are you asknig others for reasoning, but making it clear you dont wanna lynch Theta? If you know you dont want Theta at L2 you must have reasons for not wanting it there no? So then why are you asking others for reasons for why it is a wagon?

[Vecna]

VOTE: Oath

Yeah that feels like scum that knows Theta is about to flip town

[Vecna]

Not mad, just taking Theta off of L2 for you.

Time for replacements to catch up is probably an alright thing if theyre gonna put in the work.

I do like your confidence though, lets see if you can actually back it up with anything of note. As a friendly hint; the effort is better spent looking elsewhere since im the obv-town boy in the room and your arguments on Math are gonna need to be very convincing to sway anything after the dickswinging that occured over the last 50 pages. Do with that what you will.

[Vecna]

UNVOTE: Mathblade

Anything RC faked is

probably

town.

I know latching onto phrasing is super-scummy, but the phrasing in this game by replacements has been seriously dodgy lol. For the sake of it ill just assume you meant RC in general.

Titus, since ill consider you as a semi-expert on the topic, id like you to ask about how elaborate scum-mathblade gets with mechanical fakeclaiming plans. Is there at all a possibility he fakeclaims a weird hood, that can vig and recruit?

No. His teammates would have to vouch for said claim. Math can get ridiculous but he's not about whole team gambits.

So far he's refusing to out more than 1 of this hood though. And he only did that under some amount of pressure. And he keeps using very very thin reasons for doing so, those that have been rebutted.

Anyways, youre probably right, but the gamestate is strongly pointing towards liars amidst us.

[Vecna]

VOTE: Oath

Scum gambit detected

[Vecna]

Also since youre here Oath, id like to see those notes on Aronis and NSG

[Vecna]

As in, lets see if you can c/p them from that word document straight away.

[Vecna]

Since you retracted your claim there sadly no longer is any direct need to out further people at this point in time. He outed Aronis/GE, and they confirmed. Both are somewhat widely scumread already though.

The claim is there are 4 in there in total. I still dont really know what to think of it all. Gun to my head, probably town, but there stilll are osme weird feels.

[Vecna]

As in, lets see if you can c/p them from that word document straight away.

Shame we couldnt have this little live interaction. I mean, youre online and not playing any other games. It wouldve been so nice.

[Vecna]

Anyways Titus, to specify my question a bit more; Are you aware of Mathblade going for elaborate fakeclaims as scum? Just in a general sense. Elaborate fake-claims that go decently deep on a mechanical level.

Would he use a mod's provided fakeclaims and run wild with them?

[Vecna]

copy paste everything into notepad (the basic version that doesnt have any layout) and you can c/p it here just fine.

[Vecna]

To confirm whether he actually read the game or is a scum replacement getting fed information. And to get more info into his thought process.

But you knew all that already im sure

[Vecna]

UNVOTE: Oath

[Vecna]

How are you not gonna make it through the nightphase, seeing how you have that revival stuff that you claimed?

[Vecna]

Probably because that his logic is really wonky, yet somehow he reached the same three consencus scumreads that everyone seems to have, minus Theta + me.

Im having plenty of opposing thoughts about all this stuff, but its not that relevant.

[Vecna]

If you win with town, then lynching you is almost as bad/pointless as lynching other town. Assuming were trying to actively lynch town......yeah not really the aim of the game now is it? I know it may not really look like it at times, but were trying to lynch wolves. Point 1 of many where I feel your logic is somewhat wonky. Possibly lynching a human comes with the territory, since sometimes you end up being wrong. Lynching you (if we say we believe you) is a guaranteed wrong result.

Theta is just the easy consensus lynch that will keep haunting people. Its definately not a very satisfying lynch. The slot has done a lot of dodgy things, weird reasoning, weird actions, theres too much to name it all. Everyone thats been playing the game knows it. We probably dont feel like rehashing the aame stuff over and over, thats why you got limited response. Is it a guaranteed wolf lynch? Nope. Is it a decent shot at lynching a wolf? Yep. Has the slot changed up its playstyle quite a bit after coming under pressure? Yes. I have no idea why youre so certain this slot is town though. If its just because noone felt like explaining their logic again, just know its probably because a lot of people are feeling apathetic after certain shit has gone down recently in this game.

As for something else I found wonky, but maybe you didnt Intend it that way: You stated that the VC of day1 and the luna lynch makes it obvious who is scum (the 4 you mentioned). It never does, and using VC analysis based on one day is preposterous under nearly any
circumstances.

Now, I have no interest in annoying you, or dissuading you from playing the game the way you want to. I think youre probably the vampire that youre claiming to be, and I had a slight townread on Keychain before. Im not 100% convinced yet, but its plausible enough for me to not want to lynch you and to happily keep roleblocking people tonight.

[Vecna]

And here I was thinking u were also a bloodsucker. I really need to work on my soft-interpreting skills lol

[Vecna]

My scum-blob is way too big this game. Too many things gonig on, so many claims, so many weird crap.

This would be paradise for me-scum with so many mechanical holes to hide in. Im kinda indignant at my current situation.

[Vecna]

Oath is like RC's reincarnated adorable brother or some shit

[Vecna]

Lynching without the hood without having a full claim there first is outright dangerous. Like, I predict Mathblade will do it anyway if the hood is real, but it should at least be full claimed before hammer.

[Vecna]

Sentence fuckup ahoy.

And im fully agreeing with Nos.

Theres some other possibilities as well; Having a hood with human/vampire/werewolf as a starter
Human only, or a mix of human/vampire

I could even see some far-fetched scenario where the hood didnt actually recruit last night but instead choose to off TGP, and then lie about it to make it less interesting for scum to start off'ing them and as some sort of reaction test.

[Vecna]

I also still think theres a solid case to be made for a Theta/Gamma/Titus scumteam. I mean, it'd probably be wrong, but I could make a pretty convincing argument for it that'd make sense.

[Vecna]

Should be, under normal circumstances, probably etc.

Are there really any scenario's where scum ever get punished for all being on the lynch though? I strongly doubt it happens often at all. And looking at how the D1 lynch was stalling so much, I wouldnt find it especially strange if scum just decided to get the dirty work done themselves.

[Vecna]

Im quite sure an RC yelling at people in daychat to dogpile on a very slow moving wagon would also result in said effect

Anyways, this is at the verge of just arguing for arguings sake.

[Vecna]

Based on play I find it quite likely for there to be 2 scum in GE/Theta/ProjectMatt

Based on play, AA9 started off sounding a little towny but has tapered off incredibly and is in full on lurk-mode, where even the little posts she does do feel like scum to me recently

I still have no idea on Mathblade based on play. The fact everyone keeps hammering on the slot, while there is so much riding on correct handling of that slot feels all kinds of weird.

I have yet to see a single proper reason from Oath why he actually thinks Math is so scummy, and why he is only pushing on his Math scumread as opposed to all the other ones.

[Vecna]

VOTE: Mathblade

Actually im completely done defending this slot. I have no idea why im even arguing around it, it creates way too much division in this game and we'll never get to any concensus on anything in the current gamestate.

Fullclaim pressure steamboat is a go

[Vecna]

I would lynch Oath over Mathblade. I'll be damned if we say Math has to be lynched because RC faked a guilty. It's garbage, annoying and toxic. Regardless of any flip, the game is just as dead if we lynch against it or for it. Let's talk about something else, so I hopefully can get a vc to go off of.

Scum likely could stall any wagon in the game to stop town cohension.

Vecna fight me if you need to, let's sort each other and get this game going tomorrow.

also I have absolutely no desire to fight you. Lets play it nice and clean this game.

[Vecna]

I stated I havent seen a proper reason from Oath. Theres some other people that have some valid sounding arguments. Im not sure I agree fully with them, but im willing to see if theyre right and im wrong.

Honestly I dont really care so much where we lynch today, as long as its in my pool of people that are suspect and provide a ton to work with going forward.

[Vecna]

Furthermore my hood is ALREADY proven.

If I lied even once my hood would vote me.

The fact no one in my hood is saying I am lying should tell you all something.

This wagon is what scum WANT.

All that is proven is that you and GE have some way of communicating with eachother. The two of you could be scum, fullstop, without there being any proof to the contrary. The gamestate doesnt feel AT ALL like there are two other people that can confirm your story. Maybe creature.

If you want to prove it, out the last 2. Have them confirm it.

If you already invited scum into the hood, they already know who you are. IF you didnt invite scum to the hood, stop inviting after outing and you have no risk of having a take-over.

There is no risk in outing it if you just do vigs or no action goign forward. Its as simple as that.

[Vecna]

Furthermore my hood is ALREADY proven.

If I lied even once my hood would vote me.

The fact no one in my hood is saying I am lying should tell you all something.

This wagon is what scum WANT.

All that is proven is that you and GE have some way of communicating with eachother. The two of you could be scum, fullstop, without there being any proof to the contrary. The gamestate doesnt feel AT ALL like there are two other people that can confirm your story. Maybe creature.

If you want to prove it, out the last 2. Have them confirm it.

If you already invited scum into the hood, they already know who you are. IF you didnt invite scum to the hood, stop inviting after outing and you have no risk of having a take-over.

There is no risk in outing it if you just do vigs or no action goign forward. Its as simple as that.

Interact with this argument or just dont talk to me anymore

[Vecna]

UNVOTE: Mathblade

Thank you

[Vecna]

So why did Aronis agree to recruit creature, while he was heavily cheering me on while i was actively scumreading both you and creature EOD1 and start of D2?

He literally said that my scumread of Ank/Math/Creature start of D2 probably contained 2 scum.

[Vecna]

UNVOTE: Mathblade

Thank you

lol

What changed? He told you who was in the hood? Why the fuck would you need to know that?

A; to know whether the hood existed, or whether it was just a cute scumplan from 2 potential scum
B; to get more information why a guilty was faked on Mathblade - if there were 2 scummy people in there id be pretty damning to the RC/titus slot as a power grab

Ill just spell it out for you;

4 people in there. If 2 are scum, they lynch one person in the hood, and then NK the other, while inviting the 3rd scum into the hood. Nothing we can do to stop scum from having 2kills per night for the remainder of the game.

Having a fullclaim of the hood both stops that, and takes away my worries. My unvote is because I townread both your slot and the creature slot (even though there might be some vampire shenanigans going on the hood if that is even a real thing, but w/e).

[Vecna]

Who do you wanna lynch creature? You adorable little bloodsucker

[Vecna]

Hmmm wait, I guess that makes little sense since you wanna lynch oath. Back to the drawing board

[Vecna]

I guess powerlynching Oath to force any potential other vampires to out themselves to save his ass is right up my alley......

[Vecna]

VOTE: ProjectMatt

But so is lynching this or Theta

[Vecna]

Competing Theta and PJM wagon. Am I dreaming?

Also, yes Mathblade, just keep sheeping me and ill bus my entire team for you.

[Vecna]

What makes you think Theta is town btw creature?

[Vecna]

Reads, Reads, Reads;

Im gonna do some more with this post, and actually explain how im approaching reading a lot of people this game, or at least for the last 50 pages or so. Its mostly baesd on people their thought process, and how they appear to, or how Ive seen them analyze stuff in the past.
Ill be using some of this stuff, and itll probably piss off some people....but I think its quite helpful to look at stuff this way.

Tier 1: Mostly a surface level type of reading/analysing level. Call out scummy stuff where you think to see it. Dont really care too much about past stuff. Often done by newer players. Works on some people, fails badly on analyzing others.
Tier 2: Try to look at reasoning, the thought behind the thought of the individual, include past history, and decide whether scummy stuff is due to newbness or actually being scummy
Moonlogic tier: Look for patterns, look for people that try to fool people using Tier2 logic by adjusting their own meta, lots of gut reads that get reinforced by stuff you see, often resulting in reads people dont recognize or really bad reads and tunneling/paranoia

Townreads:
HeWhoSwims1 - Town, mostly because of the result, less so because of actual play. The play does fit mostly in the T1-T2 mix type of thinking, although there really hasnt been a lot of it after the hebi result. Had the usual scumread on me which fits from a town perspective.

Creature - Pretty self explanatory. States the stuff thats on my mind most of the time. Has some good insights and points at stuff that needs pointing at. Some small chance he is fooling me since he did react heavily to some accusations on day1, but thats probably just the paranoia nibbling on my ear.

MathBlade - This im going to get shit for but whatever. The slot is town. Im getting more and more sure about it. The flashbacks to every previous game before are real. Agitation and frustration. Proud Mathblade for figuring out the Ankamius soft. Agitated Mathblade because Vecna doesnt get him, his softs, and his reasoning. Im sure Mathblade is also probably decent at faking these things, but I really strongly doubt he is so self aware that he would implements all of these little things so flawlessly in a scum performance, also in such a way that it keeps bringing back flashbacks all over the place. The stubborness, the resolute stances of "X is scum because they did blabla"....its all feeling extremely familiair.

Keychain1 Oath - This slot is also probably town. Its a straight up Tier1 thought process, calling out shit that it thinks is scummy, which is probably understandable if youre new to the site and dont have the history. I get scumread by people approaching the game in the way he does all the time. I bet Mathblade does too. It fits pretty well in a town thought process here. The line "you mad I caught you" is extremely cliche, but it also fits quite well. I have a feeling many frustrations are yet to come. Oh well.

Hebichan - Also pretty straight forward, claimed PR, probably a rather safe bet for town. Wish it would get slightly more involved, but nothing there to get suspicious over so far.

Yuurei1 2 NicoRobin1 2 Vaxkiller - Everything uttered by Yuurei was soft as honey. And most of it very much in line with my own though processes at any time. The only cause for suspicion is that it all sounded too towny, no fuckups, no reasons for criticism. Very safe, but still feeling very towny at the same time. Hopefully Vax is gonna give some new life to the slot.

Townleans:
Archwing1 Nosferatu: This one im hessitant about. Right now after the last 10 pages im feeling he's probably town. Other moments it feels sneaky sneaky all over the place, pretending a little too hard to not care about the game anymore while still feeling a little agenda'ish. Hmmm. At the same time, everything he states makes sense from a town pov just as well. Pretty sharp, no fear type of playstyle. Fine putting it here now since its pushing roughly the same reads as I am, so what could go wrong. Read might change again in the future.

Null:
Definition1 Ankamius: Starting the game with that soft was odd. Mathblade is wrong also about what the intent was, yet Ankamius was fine with letting him think he was right regardless. However, I think most of the aversion to toxicity was most likely real. I was probably an asshole for not waiting with the hammer. Ofcourse, it could also be used by scum as an excuse to hide and not get involved. Pushing the Yuurei read that goes against the grain felt pretty damn towny again though.

ArcAngel91: Normally starts participating at this point in the game. Has been very much missing in action, hasnt shown any interesting ideas that I did observe from her town game when I waas scum with her before. Will have to become a policy lynch or a vig target at some point if it holds up.

RadiantCowbells Titus: Im not gonna talk about this slot much yet, because I wanna see what Titus does. Could absolutely be both allignments, although my past impression has always been extremely toxic Rc = scum RC.

Scumpool:
CheekyTeeky1 zMuffinMan : I agree with creature - this slot is suspicious. I wasnt on its case during Day1 because I knew full well it was busy in that other game. There I witnessed how obv-town it can become and how freely it shares thoughts. All of that was missing this game, and Zmuffin makes a bit of a scared impression so far. Cheeky was also a little too easy on giving me a townread during D1, and even though I liked getting the support, the reasoning behind it was very thin.

Aronis1 Gamma Emerald: Ive already widely gone into this. Too happy to have me push certain reads, people in his hood. Didnt do shit d1. Was happy getting townreaad for it too. GE's replace in right now.....started of agitated, then switched to just asking random questions without seeming to care much for the answers.

northsidegal1 projectmatt1: NSG, likes to make sensible posts as town. Only started participating D1 because urged by RC. Some weird interactions between those slots. PJM also entered the game with posts towards Aronis that seemed like a first setup for a bus. Calling the slot scum, only to completely forget about it afterwards.

Theta Alpine: Could go either way, but has done some really weird things that are probably scum indicative for plenty of reasons. Or just because playstyle. Tier1 thinkers should be all over this slot. Should probably ask Oath about his notes here to find out why he isnt.

Probably shouldve saved this crap for tomorrow since this feels like it turned out to be a piece of junk. Oh well.

[Vecna]

Why does projectMatt seem town if I might ask Z?

And I have creature as a townread because of the things he states. It might be too thin a reason, but I have a pretty strong gutfeeling, and his thought process seems pretty alright. Its kinda funny though, on D1 everyone seemed to townread the slot with (what seemed to me very little reason). Now he actually has done some stuff I feel is worthy to be called town, and people are getting suspicious of him. I guess for some people it really comes down to whether creature reaches a certain number of posts / day threshold or whatever.

[Vecna]

Vecna, I've been asking questions and have been involved the past several pages.

I don't wall post.

Besides that, has creature really been doing anything?

I was too tired when writing that post last night Heb, didnt mean anything with it. Youre fine.

[Vecna]

Anyways, I approve of the vigging/killing of TGP. It should make for an interesting day without too many distractions.

I guess I totally jinxed it at daystart huh.

[Vecna]

why do people have creature as a town read?

day 1 creature was good
day 2 radiant had the whole fake claim bit which is what i think caused creature to lurk

p-edit
VOTE: projectmatt

i could also go with vecna again

See, I dont really think this is something scum would say when theyre at L2, and im on their counterwagon. It'd be pretty suicidal at least, because it really makes me want to get rid of them.

Unless both him and PJM are scum I guess. Then it suddenly would make a lot of sense again for him to feel out a potential wagon on me. Anyways.

[Vecna]

Im pretty sure the way he described his ability is that if he effectively roleblocks someone, he gets a BP use. Scum would actually benefit from shooting him tonight since I kinda believe that he can only win with town. Vampires and Werewolves dont go well together, and I know that without watching twilight. Townsided BP roleblocker? Sounds like a pretty damn good target for a NK if they can prevent him from getting a BP use.

[Vecna]

The only thing that irks me....is that he claims theres more of him. Seeing how the human wincondition means at least one human need to survive, and the vampire wincondition states the same for vampires.....it pretty much means that scum can spite-lock a faction out of winning if they somehow have an idea of whom is human and whom is vampire.

[Vecna]

Guess its possible the slot is a fake-claiming SK type of role, where he does have the flavour and the abilities he claimed. That does kind of fit. Give it a kill (explains the TGP kill) and a way to defend itself by getting BP charges by draining people of their energy.

At any rate.....

[Vecna]

Yeah lynching wolves is where its at. I dont care about this one bit, and if it gets BP uses from roleblocking shit, itll still be better for the role to try and aim at scum.

[Vecna]

Who do you wanna lynch creature? You adorable little bloodsucker

Wait Why are you calling Creature a bloodsucker?

He's calling whomever wants to lynch Creature a bloodsucker.

No thats not what I was doing at all

[Vecna]

Yeah.....no

[Vecna]

Aronis1 Gamma Emerald: Ive already widely gone into this. Too happy to have me push certain reads, people in his hood. Didnt do shit d1. Was happy getting townreaad for it too. GE's replace in right now.....started of agitated, then switched to just asking random questions without seeming to care much for the answers.

I started off agitated because I'd read a little of current events and saw the shitstorm between RC and Math. Can y7ou understnad how that would make me not be in the best mood? As for the questioning could you point to those answers I've "not been caring about"? Also that's not a good reason to scumread me, there's been plenty of past games where I've done that as town. It doesn't make it any better but it does mean that it's not a good point against me.

Yeah i do have to admit the strongest points against your slot were because of your predecessor. If youre town im sure you'll be able to change my mind about your slot completely soon enough.

[Vecna]

what a clusterfuck. given pjms defense and theta being absent it might land on the wrong person of the 2 but it should land over a no lynch regardless.

[Vecna]

And were back. And im completely puzzled why scum would let Cop-Hebichan live while it was completely obvious she was going to get an inno.

I guess a docsave is a possibility but.....having a setup with a jailkeeper, a doc and a BP type of thing is a bit much.

I feel like im currently in a state of mafia play where all my reads are complete shit.

[Vecna]

How are you doing Hebi?

[Vecna]

Like last week when night had started I took it upon myself to dig a lot deeper into creature.

viewtopic.php?p=9820367&user_select%5B% ... 4#p9820367

Look, its the proof I was talking about earlier. Scum-creature does talk, and participate, and sometimes even interact with people. So yeah, all this fake-meta people are pushing that a talking creature is auto-town is complete nonsense.

Theres another example, but its an ongoing so wont go into that.

The current game feels slightly more engaged and opinionated, but not by much. It also shows the "not motivated to play lines" as an excuse for reduced posting. However, theres a sharpness there that I still think that points towards creature being town, but im nowhere near certain. He also seems to care more about his reads.

Fuck meta analysis I guess. Im undecided.

[Vecna]

Ok fuck it, im just gonna do what I want. This game is already down the drain with toxicity, replacements and other nonsense.

Mathblade, what role do you think a freaking Wrestler is supposed to be?

[Vecna]

And before you answer that, take a loot at this:

This started before I could complete my pre-game agenda. I feel numb inside but as I read this

a wagon seems like an efficient method of transportation

I feel as though gravity has alleviated its grip a bit. I hope we're dealing with the three-pronged trouser god, btw

My name is kuribo, and I'm a certified G, and a bonafied stud. And you can't. Teach. That.
And this right here, this is T-Bone. And he's seven foot tall. And you can't. Teach. That.
And this right here, this is Untrod Tripod. And he's hot as hell. And you can't Teach. That.
Badaboom, Realest hydra in the room! HOW YOU DOIN'?
If we had two dimes for every time someone mislynched us, we'd have ZERO DIMES.
There's just one word to describe anyone that tries to wagon us, and we're gonna... Spell it out for ya:
S
A
W
F
T
SAAAAAAAAAWFT

Concept

I'll catch up soon.

Now compare:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... rouser_God

Still think it was trying to soft a wrestler? Because why would you go to the mafiascum wiki, and copy the text for a MASON entry, if youre trying to soft a wrestler?

And seeing how were down to 13, and an outted mason couple combined with several other townclears should help us a FUCKTON.

OUT WITH IT ANKAMIUS. Or get lynched for shitclaiming. And then being fine with it that Mathblade was misinterpreting it.

[Vecna]

Also note how we can be sure its from that source; The big blue word was accidentally copy pasted alongside the rest of the msg from that wiki entry.

[Vecna]

VOTE: Ankamius

cool

[Vecna]

So indulge me in this then; Are you a vampire as well?

Creature was softing weird shit in a spanish song (Together the 4 of us)
Nosferatu was getting in on that shit
Now We have someone claiming Vampire
Your soft mentions 4 people.

Coincidence?

Like, help us out here to narrow our PoE pool down more specifically, because if youre some high value town PR, scum just got wiser from my post. FMPOV its very possibly a scum fake-claim, that was interpreted wrongly (but happily by Math in a suspicious manner) - and you asked him not to talk about it further, almost implying he was correct (which he wasnt).

[Vecna]

Like, im having a rough time seeing any role that is worth protecting at this point with potentially upto 3 townclears around already.

Maybe im just being a dumb buffoon, its possible, ive not been playing too well so far this game, that much is obvious....but its distracting me. And it could shed light on whether Hebi + HWS isnt a thing because....

HWS hasnt done shit this game after he got towncleared, and I find it suspicious as fuck all.

[Vecna]

In fact, we should probably just do a massclaim because theres too many mechanics that can still be hidden behind.

[Vecna]

if Gamma flips town, there will be an I told you so moment.

HWS was my first investigation because he did shit all, no duh vecna.

I was one of the only one suspecting him at the time, and I investigated him. That doesn't make sense for a fake scum clear imho.

Probably not. Im just pissy because ive been completely wrong on a lot of things (or gotten sidetracked) and the entire game is now in my lynchpool, while we havent had a single red flip yet.

Still, he has gotten a lot quiter in my experience. Before your result at least there was the occasional wall-post. After it, theres been the rare small read-post, but none of the more analytical posts he at least had a bunch of before getting "cleared".

[Vecna]

You first.

Yeah theres no harm in that I suppose.

Im a Human villager. At least when killing off this townclear they wont get any abilities to go along with it.

[Vecna]

Operation Twilight Inquisition is a go

[Vecna]

If we dont get any other vampires out with this massclaim, im not really troubled about lynching Oath.

HWS, go ahead and claim. Im gonna be annoying and just do this thing.

We might only have today as last lynch for all we know

[Vecna]

Also, you are a human right Hebi?

[Vecna]

We could potentially be down to 10 people tomorrow, of which 4-5 are hostile if we fuck up again today.

Were still very much in the dark.

Of the people that are gonna chime in, there will be scum, stubborn people, and people with stuff to hide.

This train has left the station. Were gonna figure this thing out. Force scum to kill Hebi tonight or risk even more townclears.

[Vecna]

I'm human too.

Full claims including role and potential outcomes please <3

[Vecna]

We could stop here

But that wouldnt be any fun

[Vecna]

Nothing. Or maybe......something?

[Vecna]

Wow Vecna

Fine, I'll spend today not giving a shit too. Good luck with whatever the fuck you think this will result in before ending on a really dumb lynch.

Were already getting our ass whooped badly. I dont know what type of an ace you have up your sleeve, but I doubt its gonna help us much, since all we have to go on so far are assumptions.

The current methods havent yielded anything.

Your lynchpool of 6 is a fine assumption. But do we have any way to know it wasnt just a scenario of RC bussing Math and instructing Hebi to fakeclear HWS? Nope

The longer we rally to a plan, the more influence scum will have on every outcome. And theyre already pushed everything exactly where it needed to go to.

[Vecna]

Yes

[Vecna]

no

[Vecna]

By Math's own admission, the other 2 in the hood were fairly inactive during the night, and not trying to push anything really. (during n1 at least)

This could mean many things.

1 of gamme/Brian is scum, but the first person decided to take it easy, lay low, try to survive - have RC push their agenda for them to lynch math.
2 as you say, Math and creature are scum. But Math has been actively trying to protect the others in the hood. None of them have ended up dead.
3 Creature and 1 of Gamma/Brian is scum. They had to lynch math to take over the hood.
4 Everyone in the hood is town
5 Mathblade is scum, but is preferring to just survive over attempting to take over the hood and risk getting outted

I can honestly go on if I use that small creative writing part of my brain, but really, can we even know which one is true? Trying to make assumptions of this nature is extremely dangerous.

[Vecna]

But I agree with you on one thing - reasoning this out could get us a scenario that fits.

So far we've had a lot VT claims. Were getting near the limit.

Scum is gonna need to make a pretty damn good showing to be able to come up with ~4 fakeclaims that will make sense with the gamestate. Its quite likely one of em will slip, or get caught by a tracker, or some other inconsistency. Even if they dont, itll give us a better idea of what is going on with this vampire stuff. Oath alluding there are others.

I know it might turn out ugly, and we might loose the game due to my pushing for a massclaim here. By now, if were being honest, a gameloss IS the most likely outcome for us.

Its an all or nothing play. Get that inconsistency. Put our mind at ease for many of the other irregularities, patch together which scenario is happening right below our nose.

Were so close, but today is probably make it or break it.

If we lynch a towny today, and 1-2 more die tonight, we'd need every single town to agree on whom to lynch tomomrrow. Else we'll just get swarmed by numbers. And with this player list, were not gonna agree. You can be certain on that.

[Vecna]

I dont think she'll like to read that lol

[Vecna]

I still dont really see any arguments against the massclaim though.

Like, what incredibly high powered role could you possibly have that you fear getting killed over Hebichan? Whose gonna townclear a 4th person tomorrow unless killed. Seeing how she got a result, scum apparently dont have a RB or switcheroo type of thing either (else theyd definately have let her guilty me to serve as a mislynch).

I dont wanna take away your fun, your decisionpower, or any of that. I just want more stuff to base our choice on. And yes, Hebi and HWS are on board, and those are at least 99% guaranteed to be town. Asking the remainder of the player base, which has 50% non-town, doesnt seem extremely productive.

[Vecna]

VOTE: AA9

[Vecna]

Fine then ill just take the 50/50 between obvious teams and hope it falls my way

VOTE: Mathblade

[Vecna]

Theres the group that really wants to lynch math, and theres the group that really doesnt wanna lynch math

(im mostly just hoping to prod Ankamius to do what I want her to do though, which is go along with my suicidal plan)

[Vecna]

Would you like to massclaim Titus?

[Vecna]

Mathblade + Creature + Ank +.....AA9? Could be one group

Your slot + any combination of Gamma Emerald/Brian Skies / Nosferatu / AA9 / Creature / Vampireguy / Zmuffinman could be a second group

Like theyre just vague blobs really, and theres not a lot of great logic behind it since theres obvious contradictions at times.....but yeah.

The fight for the hood or whatever.

[Vecna]

No PR's unless im forgetting something.

Allthough Ankamius slot softed mason in her first post, by copy pasting some text from the mafiascum wiki. Mathblade thought it was a wrestling soft, and acted somewhat uncharacteristic around it (imo).

Some VT claims just now

[Vecna]

if youre inviting anyone to that hood.....it should probably be me.

at least then you know any vig requests are coming from a townclear

[Vecna]

lol did Vecna link a game I miserably failed and said that's proof I'm good at scum?

No offence, but compared to your good towngames youre also not doing too well in this one (but I guess that can be said about me as well).

The difference is youre not being very outspoken, and youre not providing a lot of reasoning for anything.

[Vecna]

Mathblade + Creature + Ank +.....AA9? Could be one group

Sure, the two lynchbaits are both scum.

All the other lynchbaits were town.....

[Vecna]

just want to see if Muffin has last reads before I submit it.

Juicy. Also popcorn.

If youre gonna do it, give us your last reads as well

[Vecna]

I

know that because I'm part of the lynch mob that lynched Theta (which is confirmed in both my Role PM and my Neighborhood with Gamma/Creature/Math) and the shooting killing flavor is verified to me in my Role PM.

The N1 kill had the same flavour though.

And why would a lynching mob have a shooting flavour?

[Vecna]

im a 2-shot seer

Uh oh, hebichan gotta see this

Bomb that shit creature

[Vecna]

skimmed through recent pages

im a 2-shot seer, n1 cheeky targeted vecna (human) (i think i crumbed this somewhere but cbf going through iso atm, just look for something about seeing and vecna i suppose), n2 theta (in hindsight was probably not the greatest idea but i submitted it as soon as night started and forgot about this game when it was closed for a week)

fwiw, ability is called divination and wording in my role is that i receive their alignment (should my action succeed and yada yada yada). prob would have been a smart idea to target oath but meh, didn't think of that until night ended

don't have time for mafia today sorry, will make time for this over the weekend

Vote: Mathblade

creature is probably scum too

This is scum.

Why is it scum though while you KNOW someone else visited Theta?

[Vecna]

gotcha

[Vecna]

VOTE: Zmuffinman

See Ankamius, that same scumclaim roleclaim wouldve resulted from a massclaim

[Vecna]

We just figured out with 100% certainty that either Titus or Zmuffinman is scum.

[Vecna]

Lets just say I find your claim extremely fishy as well, if only for the fact your slot never even looked suspiciously at Hebichan

[Vecna]

We have no idea

[Vecna]

AA9 quite potentially. This is even beyond her usual die-hard lurking, and the few posts she did make more recently were awfull

[Vecna]

The gamestate just feels all kinds of weird. Especially if youre town and were assuming theres 4 werewolves.

A town creature means theres max 1 scum in the neighbourhood.

Which would mean 3 outside. Which I find very hard to fathom if both Hebi + HWS are also town.

[Vecna]

Creature (Claimed to be able to blow up)

"townclears"

HeWhoSwims1
Vecna
hebichan

"1 scum max"

Brian Skies
MathBlade
Gamma Emerald

"Contains 3 scum"

Ankamius
Nosferatu
ArcAngel91
zMuffinMan
Titus
Oath

[Vecna]

I really really want a massclaim.

If this view still doesnt illustrate why, I dont know what will

[Vecna]

Oh right, neighborhood ceases to work if there's no human left

Wait what? It states that mechanically the neighbourhood stops functioning if theres no humans in it anymore?

[Vecna]

pretend i havent read recent pages in any depth ("surely that's impossible!" yes, i know, but use the power of imagination...)

point me to where you've explained what you think is town about mathblade, ankamius

Oh yay scum still tunnel my slot to no fucking end

Booooo

Yeah pretty sure I am done with mafia a bit after this game

Why would scum tunneling piss you off so much? Arent they supposed to do that if youre town?

If youre town, snap out of this defensive whining (sorry that im being harsh, but u need to hear it) - and hunt which of the many people attacking you are actually scum, and be a bit more convincing. It really isnt obvious for the rest.

[Vecna]

Ok that is a gamechanger.

Mathblade? Comment?

Does the hood stop functioning if theres no humans left?

[Vecna]

Ignore Titus creature.

In fact, you might wanna blow that up after a bit more discussion

[Vecna]

Oh man, I feel so violated and lied to now

[Vecna]

Actually Titus, Creature is being extremely obv-town right now

[Vecna]

(also he's helping me force the mass-claim naturally so anything he's doing is completely A-OK in my book)

[Vecna]

Mathblade. What did you think a wrestler was?

[Vecna]

Brian Skies, Titus, Hebichan, HWS

[Vecna]

Brian Skies, Titus, Hebichan, HWS

Is that list the scum list?

Maybe

[Vecna]

Are you actually a suicide bomber Creature?

[Vecna]

We have four neighborhood members

when we no longer see someone being lynched at night we'll know there are only scum left in the hood

Yeah. Problem is outing that theory means scum either A) Go for mass mislynches in the hood if we’re all town
Or B) Shoot in the hood if scum don’t have control

That information was only good secret. Me taking all the heat kinda confirms I am human but if others in the hood were attacked we could have gotten more

Hence why RC and Oath are probably scum.

Theres a few things wrong with this theory though (or that they just played upon)

Titus seemed quite convincingly to wanna lynch Oath.
There is suddenly a lot less perogative for scum to wanna take over the hood (the entire game is suddenly up-side down for me)

[Vecna]

Are you actually a suicide bomber Creature?

[Vecna]

Then what is your role/actions etc?

[Vecna]

Such an annoying game, when pretty much everyone is pretty towny, but for noone its a complete slamdunk certainty

[Vecna]

Oath had the Lethargic thing though. Like, would be weird with werewolf flavour - and GE slot confirmed it

[Vecna]

Who did you RB last night Oath?

[Vecna]

Who did you RB last night Oath?

hebichan but it was unsuccessful

Wait WHAT?

How does your ability work?

Because hebichan said she got a result on me, ergo using an ability.

UNVOTE: Zmuffin

[Vecna]

Can you just outline in a clear manner what your ability is supposed to do?

Because im not understanding it at all.....or your reasoning for using it on hebichan. Like, did you use the revive, or the roleblock/lethargic thing on Hebi?

[Vecna]

It just sounds all kinds of weird.

So if you steal, or drain an ability.....Then why would the person where you fail to drain anything from, feel lethargic, but the person where it apparently should drain something (when theres something to drain) doesnt result in the lethargic thing?

[Vecna]

Abilities are : Drain- ability to target someone and block all active, passive, and factional abilities for that night except for PT that would be blocked the following night for obvious reasons
Night 1 Keychain targeted Aronis-- the flavor for this target is "feeling lethargic" which Aronis breadcrumbed here: viewtopic.php?p=10252170#p10252170
I also have a conditional one-shot revive, which would effectively out me to the player who attempts to kill me so I decided to claim now and save us all some time.

Like that is literally what Oath said upon replace-in.

Now it suddenly changed completely? We need to know this shit.

[Vecna]

Lets hear his answers first before we give him all kinds of ideas where to take his claim in case he's upto no good.

[Vecna]

Im usually pretty ok with mechanics, but I still dont get how Oath's crap works, or why he thought it would be ok to roleblock our only claimed investigative.

Like, did he just conclude that GE/Aronis only have factional shit that was blocked, but nothing he could steal?

Did his action on hebi fail because he had already succesfully drained someone?

Is he just full of shit?

I have no idea. It almost sounds to convoluted to make up though.

[Vecna]

Wouldnt GE have lost acces to the lynchmob PT if what Oath describes is his real role though?

GE, any comment?

[Vecna]

You know muffin, youre getting upset about people not using logic, but if you actually are a seer, you couldve solved this entire shit by simply checking Mathblade.

Instead you choose Theta, who was lined up to be shot by the hood. This was even stated in the game on D2 that if PJM would flip town, theyd have to take out theta.

So why are you angry at us for not using logic, while you were in the best position ever to do a reasonable thing and make this game so much better?

[Vecna]

VOTE: Titus

[Vecna]

Yeah I'm not feeling Vecna scum based on activity. I also don't see scum asking to massclaim D2 lol although I think we can hold off for another day to see how tonight goes. I keep changing my mind on Math, but the AtE isn't great to deal with. This game is pretty dead otherwise, sad Key is leaving D:

Theta when you get here can you please give some reads?

"based on activity" That's pretty NAI though?

Like town cause they post a lot is shit.

I find activity can be AI for some players. And I mean it in the broader sense of how engaged he is with the game, I can't really go further into this explanation right now but I'm not voting vecna.

What is it that you're seeing?

I took this to mean he couldnt go further into it because of an ongoing game. Hmmm

[Vecna]

You think lynching/shooting Titus is a bad idea?

[Vecna]

Guess I am not part of the thread

[Vecna]

how much time is even left in this day? muffin doesnt look all that scummy to me.

Still kinda wouldnt mind knowing wtf titus is claiming that would catch a vig visiting theta, but not zmuffin. or more especially how sjed know it was a vig and not just the nk.

[Vecna]

how much time is even left in this day? muffin doesnt look all that scummy to me.

Still kinda wouldnt mind knowing wtf titus is claiming that would catch a vig visiting theta, but not zmuffin. or more especially how sjed know it was a vig and not just the nk.

Logical deduction...I tracked the vig to theta. The death flavors show not the NK, unless a third party is argued. I asked about this possibility without revealing the name. Consensus is shot not 3rd party, thus vig.

Read the flavour again. Because theres also stuff in there that some people think it was the wolves.

[Vecna]

my point is you wouldnt know the flavour when multiple sources try to kill the same target, and the flavour of the kill clearly indicates some confusion as to what killed theta.

at any rate, i really have no idea why scum would kill theta

[Vecna]

VOTE: Creature

[Vecna]

"Confscum"

Titus is starting to look more and more like scum

[Vecna]

No im attacking you for suggesting that Math and Zmuffin are confirmed scum together

[Vecna]

Anyways, this game needs a lynch

[Vecna]

Deadline for Day Three is Wednesday, August 8th, @ 3:00 PM PDT: 10 days, 6 hours, 47 minutes.

But thats not the reason we need a lynch.

[Vecna]

VOTE: mathblade

my curiosity is peaked. time for a mathblade lynch. give the masses what they want n all that

[Vecna]

Your reads probably improve a lot if you just accept that im town.

Also anyone still clinging to old meta on creature; Check the just now finished transformers game, where creature breaks his entire scummeta by freeposting a lot and gets townread for the exact same weaksauce reason as always happens. Theres plenty other examples for people to check up on.

[Vecna]

Titus since youre claiming tracker anyway by now, mind sharing your results N1/N2?

[Vecna]

Ankamius, what do you feel about Mathblade constantly hiding behind getting tunneled because scum want to take over the hood? While now it becomes clear scum never couldve taken over the hood.

[Vecna]

aka who is the vig

Oh. Just N1 then.

[Vecna]

aka who is the vig

Also, if youre so certain Titus is scum, what does it even matter right?

[Vecna]

Oh I am pretty sure you are. Titus’s flip would prove it.

How would a Titus flip prove it?

Titus replaced RC.
RC faked a guilty on Luna Nova
RC then turned around and faked a guilty on me and got proven false.
He was so destructive the mod force replaced him. He was disgusting as fuck.

Have you caught up yet?

What does any of this have to do with me?

1) It is extremely likely there is scum in the hood.
2) If Titus flips town I would be shocked but it would be highly indicative of me which would be a frame job which means you. Gamma/Aronis wouldn’t have had enough influence it’d have to have been you’re predecessor who flakes and we almost pushed til they showed up.
3) If Titus flips scum this means I am pretty much confTown which means we are back to you and Gamma/Aronis

Or there is an all town hood which with how Titus was denied to me I am leaning you if Titus flips scum and you’re bussing for cred.

And yes you’ve ranted you didn’t deny it but anyone can read that hood and see you did.

1) Maybe, but I'm not a wolf. And I don't think Gamma is either.
2) I've done zero framing, but sure, I can maybe see you thinking this (there are probably only so many people that can be scum at this point, so sure). However, if you're oh so convinced she's scum, why are you suddenly putting a qualifier here?
3) Extremely likely doesn't mean definitely, and this

still

doesn't prove I'm a wolf, regardless of what Titus flips.

Also, once again, this doesn't explain why Titus flipping

any alignment

proves that I'd be a wolf.

Gamma has access to the hood. Why don't you ask him if I've lied or misrepresented

literally anything

that's gone on in there.

1) Yes it fucking does
Just because you say it doesn’t doesn’t make that true.

2) I don’t have to ask. I can read. However if Gamma wishes to chime in I am sure he would back me up on it because it is reality that you vetoed everything I said and were a stick in the mud on Theta

How did the losing access to the hood work out N2? Im assuming a new Pt was made? If that is the case, then why is Mathblade asking GE to confirm anything? How would he know what transpired in the hood if he lost access?

[Vecna]

I'm not entirely married to that solve

it's more a "this is the most likely scenario" thing

Brian is scum though

Well im quite convinced there is

at least

1 scum in Zmuffin/Hebi/Titus.

All the three roles seem viable scumroles as well in this setup, -especially- if vampires are all the really strong PR's in this setup.

Setup spec is dumb and all that, but we currently know of all these roles:
-Vig
-Killing neighbourhood
-Seer (2 shot cop)
-Pt cop
-Jailkeeper
-Neighbouriser
-BP roleblocker
-Tracker
-Undisclosed Ank role

Im starting to suspect Hebi is just fake here. The not getting a result on the roleblock from Oath also indicates as much (although I still aint got the faintest clue why he would RB there). HEbi and HWS being scum here fits quite well as well in this black hole of a game, where everyone could be scum, but most people have at least done a bunch of towny things....and the two people that were supposed to be our first clears are on the bottom of that list.

[Vecna]

2. HeWhoSwims - Claimed human villager, claimed to have no PT by Hebi
5. Ankamius - Presumably some vampire PR
7. Nosferatu - Mystery man
8. ArcAngel9 - Replaced mystery woman
9. Creature - Invited to the lynchmob
10. zMuffinMan - Claimed seer, confirming Vecna being a human villager and doing some weird shit N2
11. Titus - Claimed tracker tracking the Vig N2
12. Vecna - Human Villager
13. MathBlade - Claimed human lynchmob
14. Gamma Emerald - Claimed (human?) lynchmob
15. hebichan - Claimed PT checker, no pt on HWS/Vecna
16. Oath - Vampire BP RB Reanimator whatever.
18. Brian Skies - Lynchmob

[Vecna]

I thought it was closed during the day?

[Vecna]

And really, you should probably stop being so irritated, because it is far from weird for people that arent in the know-how to be confused as shit by this monstrosity of a clusterfuck.

[Vecna]

So Gamma just couldnt post, but could see you guys posting?

[Vecna]

Well, you have confirmation that Oath had an actual effect on GE, but youre not weirded out that Hebichan still produced a PT inno on me the night she got blocked?

[Vecna]

He could not see any posts during the night phase in that PT

So a new topic was started?

[Vecna]

VOTE: Hebichan

[Vecna]

Someone that actually understands Oath's ability, explain it to me, and why there is not more of a ruckus over this. Because from where im standing, either Oath or Hebi is confirmed scum here.

[Vecna]

So why arent you voting Hebichan again? Clearly fypov theyre lying about being a PT cop? Because investigating someone is definately an active ability that wouldve been blocked. Yet they claimed a result on me, and didnt claim to get roleblocked.

[Vecna]

lolwut?

[Vecna]

So youre saying you can differentiate between your action being prevented from happening, and it not doing anything period because there were no abilities on the person? How can you be certain the FAILED didnt occur because there simply were no actions to block?

[Vecna]

Because if anything couldve happened, it seems rather strange to me that your first impression is "someone else must be responsible that is not me or Hebichan". And that you dont even discuss it whatsoever.

[Vecna]

*not untill being asked about who you used your drain on that is.

[Vecna]

Probably true lol. Ive been told that repeatedly this game. Its the luxury of being a PR though, you get to know your shit and its much easier to see the bigger picture.

[Vecna]

VOTE: Titus

[Vecna]

Back to my lynchpool of Titus/Math/GE

[Vecna]

Yeah you seemed to get a lot of motivation from rolling scum in that game. It coincided with the Suicide bomber play right?

[Vecna]

Because youre a floppy donut

[Vecna]

We lynched every lurker so far this game. They all flipped town. How about we just lynch the last one and pray it flips scum?

[Vecna]

Also, why is it him and not Gamma Emerald?

[Vecna]

What does me bringing up the AA9 slot have to do with Zmuff?

[Vecna]

I'm probably wrong about Titus + Brian being partners

But this snap defense of Brian by Vecna is hilarious.

Off all the people in the hood, I think he is the most towniest.

[Vecna]

(but I was majorly fooled by his slot in Civ mafia as well. But his scum slot played a very very different way there though. Maybe he learned. Or maybe the slot is just town).

[Vecna]

VOTE: Titus

[Vecna]

I think people just need to give me full power to speed-lynch 4 people in a row and this game will be in a better place.

[Vecna]

(probably because itll be over, with zero scum lynched)

[Vecna]

Im gonna sit here and note how there has been pretty much no interaction vs the Titus & Creature slot and the Titus & nosferatu slot

I might be wrong in this though since its just based on my memory

[Vecna]

Tor hi

This gamestate is a train wreck

why are you voting brian and what's your lynchpool?

someone tell me how town-titus can go from "let's lynch muffin and oath because mathblade's buddies don't wanna lynch him" (when both oath and i were the only ones voting mathblade) to "hey mathblade (who i apparently forgot i think is scum), wanna lynch some other guy?"

hey muffin

what do you think of RC's posting d1? I've been reading it around the time luna stopped posting and a lot of it feels genuine town!RC thoughts. there's a couple of alarming moments, especially when he votes theta on a horrible associative read with luna that doesn't work, but I'm not sure he'd do that as scum or talk about the benefits of mislynching theta/luna the way he did.

how good are you at reading titus? I know I probably can't really do that on MS but she has a very reliable meta for those who do.

hey there, I didn't really read anything

sucks to suck

Also these succession of posts is extremely weird, and potentially very scummy for the selection of people the slot does talk about

[Vecna]

I tried to read what lead to the d1 lynch and then talked to people who were expressing a titus scumread cause I felt RC was pretty much town!RC all the way

the vampire was around talking about his claim so I ISO'd him to catch what his claim was and talked about that

what's weird about any of it?

How do you distinguish between a town RC and a scum RC?

Please do tell, im intrigued

[Vecna]

Ankamius, switch to happy-ankamius mode. Please? I have a cookie with your name on it if you do

[Vecna]

Also, what are your thoughts on the type of roles that couldve resulted in Oath getting a failed result?

Option A: Scum roleblocker, targetted Oath. Likelyhood? Low, because we already have a 3rd party roleblocker/rolestealer and a dead town Jailkeeper. Also, if one does exist, why the fuck target Oath?

Option B: Hebichan is some scum role that is immune to skills that target her, such as a commuter or some other passive ability that stops everything. Likelyhood? Idfk

Option C: Some weird town role that protects the target, stopping all actions from targeting it. Likelyhood? also seems pretty weird to have in a setup with a jailkeeper, but possible, I guess, if we do believe Oath

Option D: Something im overlooking?

Option E: Oath is lying scum

These are pretty much the possibilities I can come up with

[Vecna]

I feel like I'm strapped onto train tracks and I see a train in the distance coming to run me over

Except it is a mile away and it's moving at like one foot an hour

Its probably because were down to 13, of which 4 are likely scum, and the other remaining town are fighting over whether to lynch Mathblade or not.

Still, I find it very hard to picture a gamestate where all of Mathblade, Oath, Hebichan, HWS and you are town.

Like, I guess Titus/Gamma/ + 2 out of Nos/Creature/AA9replacement could be a thing. Maaaybe with Brian in there, although im stubborn about seeing it.

[Vecna]

I still think we should either lynch Titus or Mathblade today.

And yes, even though I mildly think Mathblade is more likely town than scum, I really dont think we should rule out the possibility that Mathblade -could- be scum here. He's probably capable of pulling the wool over our eyes in the way he is doing, and im really not conformtable how the slot is still hiding behind getting tunneled by a slot that is long gone, and a slot that is claimed to be a vampire. There is something off there.

[Vecna]

With the new information its also fully possible that there were two scum in the neighbourhood at the start of the game. Im still really surprised Math kept that little tidbit from us, and even abused our cluelessnes to defend against all the attacks against his slot by sowing fear that scum were trying to take over the neighbourhood.

[Vecna]

Time for a little experiment

HeWhoSwims - VT
zMuffinMan - SEER
Titus - TRACKER
Mathblade - LYNCHMOB
hebichan - PT COP
Gamma Emerald - LYNCHMOB
Brian Skies - LYNCHMOB
Vecna - VT
Oath - VAMPIRE

Ankamius
Nosferatu
ArcAngel9
Creature

So if Oath is telling the truth, we either have lying people in the neighbourhood with a double role/identity, or the VIG and rolestopper crapnanigans have to be in the 4 leftover people.

-MAYBE- it would help to force Titus to out who the vig is. That way we at least confirm that he really is a tracker, whether its a scum tracker or not, becomes less relevant, itll still be usefull information to solve the RC-gambit puzzle.

Those 4 slots are also quite likely to at least have 1 scum in them. If we can get more information there, it narrows the lynchpool down. If there is scum in there, scum also is much more likely to narrow down on the vig and a potential rolestopper - (they would know if there is one, since they are quite likely to have tried to kill Hebi).

Youre still really against a full-claim Ank? I think it might help us out quite a bit, especially if theres another potential VT that Hebi can clear in the pool of questionable people.

[Vecna]

I tried to read what lead to the d1 lynch and then talked to people who were expressing a titus scumread cause I felt RC was pretty much town!RC all the way

the vampire was around talking about his claim so I ISO'd him to catch what his claim was and talked about that

what's weird about any of it?

How do you distinguish between a town RC and a scum RC?

Please do tell, im intrigued

you think he is indistinguishable? RC is a wolfy wolf who plays all his cards way too aggressively and pushes for scum wincon like hell. I don't have a soulread on him or anything but the posts I read didn't look like agenda-driven TMI spewing wolf. he made a very dense, very bad w/w conditional read on d1 that I have a hard time he'd think is a good idea to say it as a wolf, and I find his interactions with cheeky where he is almost begging to be townread more aligned with his town self and not the slimy manipulative stuff he does as a wolf.

I can be wrong but it's where I'm at.

Interesting. I like your observations, however I think theres a bit more to it.

The thing that weirds me out is, if there indeed is no incentive for scum to push to eliminate town in the hood, then what scum motivation is left for a scum RC to go all-in so hard on Mathblade? Especially since if the slot is town, apparently its a tracker that wanted to be flipped just to pretend he tracked Math while he couldve never gotten the result he claimed to have gotten. But then again, maybe thats just what he wanted us to think, although I doubt his planning really goes that deep. He normally doesnt really strike me as the planning scum player, but one that banks on persuasion and intimidation.