Overkill 1: Serenity/Firefly (GAME OVER)

[CheekyTeeky]

Which post? The first one?

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If flicker is town, then who is scum on this wagon?

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Is it your sole purpose to troll me this game Jingle?

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I keep misreading Thor's aggressive tone as scummy I think. Rereading his ISO, his aggression seems directed towards genuine sorting, and it's done in such a way that it's likely to ruffle too many feathers if he were scum.

I did agree with Jingle on the point that Thor does like his vanity wagons as scum, however ime he tends to tunnel hard when doing so. Here he's provided pretty fluid reads (e.g. his progression on Tor going from liking to "trash"), along with a number of scum/town reads, which makes me feel this style is quite different from what I remember of his scum game.

I'm really vibing with his read on Toranaga. I know Chara is pretty iffy about the NDS slot too so I wouldn't be sad if someone shot it :/ ok maybe a little sad but that's what you get for being scum.

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I keep misreading Thor's aggressive tone as scummy I think. Rereading his ISO, his aggression seems directed towards genuine sorting, and it's done in such a way that it's likely to ruffle too many feathers if he were scum.

i don't find aggressive tone to be scummy, which i mention only to say that it has nothing to do with my Thor scumread.
can you talk about where he's genuinely sorting? it seems more like wagons for the sake of them, which Thor isn't hiding. and that's not scummy by itself, it just means we don't agree on methodology.

Yes, but he pushes each wagon he's on, which to me is more likely to come from town as it provides everyone with content to sort the slot with. When I first read his ISO I thought he was just shading but upon closer inspection I see a need to sort for a preferred lynch - rather than intense tunneling. I also like that he's provided some firm scumreads and townreads early instead of waiting to sheep concensus. I also really like his push on Tor after he started the game townreading him - again it's like he's genuinely trying to determine alignment imo.

There were a few moments I didn't like e.g. forced questioning at the beginning of his ISO and one question he didn't follow up which went unanswered but I think overall the intent is town.

I agree with your mala read. I could see mala/Tor as early distancing. The early push on mala from him which changed to "oh mala/rc townread each other so could be masons" just doesn't make sense on any level. I had to chase up NDS on why the read had changed and that explanation left more questions than answers.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah I'm vibing pretty hard with Jingle's reads. Him scum reading me is usually indicative of town for players who aren't familiar with me.

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Cheeky i was townreading you heavily based on both tone and content but certain reads and stances and the timing of them make me nervous. i could go and get them in more detail though Jingle did outline a few in posts i liked

No need. We both know I'm town and if in doubt it'll be cemented later.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah I'm vibing pretty hard with Jingle's reads. Him scum reading me is usually indicative of town for players who aren't familiar with me.

what are you usually getting scumread for?

Being all over the place whilst sorting. Being dumb.

[CheekyTeeky]

Jingle you don't expect me to respond to your posts right? Coz I won't.

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VOTE: NSG

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I miss RC :/
I mean I love Chara too but both would've been nice.

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Intersect: {Toog, Cheeky, RC/Chara, Elsa}

Definitely scum among the intersect.

No pretty sure there's no scum in this intersect...

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Nico's lurkness is NAI. She does it as both alignments ime. There's Be Yourself Mafia as an example of her lurking as town in a way that's similar to this game.

NSG is 3p in this game too with similar activity levels to this game - active early, tunneling, tapering off.

There's also a sample of my scum meta in it which will make any doubters lol at themselves for thinking I'm scum here.

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Awfully weird to specifically call out her as a 3p though. I dont think anyone was 3p hunting either, which makes this super townie as well, but any other reason she could be 3p besides the activity thing?

I only realised she could be 3p on remembering that game I linked - yeah it's based on a similar activity/tunnel pattern. The key point is that she wasn't town though.

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Which leads me to expand on why Tor townreading you (Elsa) early was scummy.

From a scum POV as far as he's concerned you're not on his team so the first assumption is that you're town. I already laid out my reasons early game about why it was difficult to see you as towny. In Be Yourself Mafia I was scum and NSG was 3p so although people who read her consistently well were scumreading her, I was biased to see her as townie because I knew she wasn't scum. I feel like that's pretty much exactly what happened to produce Tor's early townread on you.

[CheekyTeeky]

Well you brought up an excellent point of discussion I tried to do before.

Do you think there's 2 smaller scum teams and 3ps, or a big "main" group and like 2-4 3ps?

I think that if there is more than one scum faction (meaning idk at this point), then it's likely they don't know about each other.

[CheekyTeeky]

Cheeky, when did our slot change from obvtown to nullsscum/scumlean for you?

You are now sr us for pretty much the same reasons that you tr us earlier.

~ Nancy

What reasons do you think I'm scumreading/townreading you for?

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NR in that game's ISO is better than in this one. She actually said mafia relevant things in three of her five posts and then got replaced. Comparitively, we have seen 0 mafia relevant things in this game.

I'll crack a beer and read the rest of the game when I have time, but it may take a while, because the postgame makes it sound like reading it is going to be hot garbage. :shrug:

Are you talking about her claimimg her role because she had to in order to get her power enhanced. If she didn't have an incentive to talk mafia, I'm not confident her posting would be any different to here. I'm really defending her slot for town, I just think there's better lynches today, particularly if we consider the likelihood of her slot being replaced at some point.

Yeah that game was messy - town gave us the win from fighting amongst themselves. It was amusing from my PoV though

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I'm NOT really defending her slot for town

EBWOP.

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3p slips which IIRC I was (also) the only one reading it correctly. so bless me and sucks to be not me.

You said she was the towniest player here. Seeing her as town is not the same as seeing her as 3p, in fact seeing her as scum is probably closer to a 3p role as they do not share the same wincon as town. If you're talking about noticing her crumbing, you weren't the only one to notice.

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Him* sorry Jay.

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"tor is scum because I was once scum and townread a 3p"

:thonking:

-tor

Yeah ok reduce my reasoning down to this.

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Nice case Jingle.

VOTE: BuJaber

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After Tora changed to our hydra, you were hardtown reading us, so I’m a little bit confused how you’re viewing Tora’s initial EJ defense as suddenly scummy or at least that’s how it read to me?

I keep flip flopping on the slot. I explained why I thought Tor was scummy early along the lines of "noway anyone townreads Elsa, it's weird that your talking to RC and I like you know we're both town" early game - I just elaborated on that early suspicion with the help of meta when looking at Be Yourself Mafia. I, like Chara, found his posting got better and when he was bragging about reading Elsa correctly after he claimed, I thought this seems outside of Tor's scumrange. Then after RC left he started lurking again which is very much his scum meta, he finds it hard to be motivated as scum and has to be pulled into playing. So although there are aspects of good posting and stances that I thought come outside of his scumrange, overall the town effort and love for solving are missing which outweigh my hesitation to scumread you. That's why I said I wouldn't mind if someone vigged you because I can't sort you which is very frustrating as working with Tor has been very effective for winning in the past.

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You haven't yet Nancy. Hopefully you will.

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Thor, unfortunately every wagon this game while you're alive is going to be robbed of that info, because you entered the game seemingly eager to quickhammer someone. I will *never* put someone at L-1 without being okay with them getting lynched without even getting to claim because of that. There will always be similar concern that we not only have to worry about scum lolhammering and trying to get away with it, but also someone of unknown alignnment who has publicly expressed an interest in doing that.

-Cerb

FWIW Thor is a fan of quickwagoning, not lolhammering ime. He (as town) is more than capable of respecting the L-1 -> intent -> claim -> evaluate claim modus operandi. If he chose to hammer preclaim and didn't have a good reason for it, I'd be down to lynch him for BoP.

*strokes beard* (my hypothetical one, not Thor's)

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BuJaber the reason your "cross-section" of scum theory doesn't work is because you've looked at the votes out of context pre-flip. You've neglected to see the purpose of wagoning for info which could be valuable later on. Another flaw in this theory is that it is based on the assumption that scum will just jump on every building wagon in the hope of a mislynch which is completely illogical. It makes more sense for scum (imo) to be careful with their voting trail which often leads to either overexplanation or cogdis before jumping on a wagon. Hence it's better to compare people's reasons for jumping on (although you'll need to look at intent rather than taking posts at face value) wagons. Even then using VCA and looking at reasoning is only useful once we know the alignment of the wagonee. What if (although unlikely) both of the two wagons you were comparing were on scum? What if one was on scum and one on town? How do you know both were on town and how do you know the wagoners were intending to follow through with the lynch?

So if your sorting looks like not very useful busy work for the sake of busy work it's not unexpected that people will think you're scum for it.

[CheekyTeeky]

So like townies would not go in there EXPECTING the wagon to fizzle and die. Scum would.

What? Why? To hide the fact that they're mislynching someone? Isn't it in scum's best interest to mislynch town rather than hope the wagons fizzle out? If they were afraid of mislynching wouldn't they just vanity wagon elsewhere?

I'm confused.

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I figured the people who voted then unvoted on BOTH wagons would likely contain scum because scum are more likely to be consistent in their approach than town.

Wouldn't it be more consistent to build a case and stay on one person?

How do you feel about Jingle?

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: TPFKAP

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I think NSG is the best lurker lynch scum equity wise. Also Mala is ???

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Thor where have you discussed TPFKAP?

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RR, NDS choose a wagon please

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Oh you too Mala & nico.

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Uh Chara wtf??

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I guess you haven't seen my scumgame and you did SR me in TM when I was obv town so idk.

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Team Mafia - Yoshi scumread me and I assumed you were helping him.

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Chara is the McMenno read mainly from sky?

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RC was adamant NSG is town. I was the one who keep challenging his reads.

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NSG never cased flicker, big part of my scumlean on her.

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1. i don't think that's a very good reason to be scumreading me.
2. i haven't gone through and made some team-mafia-esque massive wallcase on her, no. i literally cannot remember the last time i did that for a scumread

except

in team mafia. i just don't really do it that often, so i'm not sure why it's something that you expect from town me. that's not to say that i haven't given reasons for why i scumread flicker - i certainly have:

i think flicker is scum for a very underwhelming opening and a lack of content where i would expect content to be. 63 is essentially RVS at a point beyond when real reads could already have begun to form. she has to be asked specifically about reads by tw before saying anything, and even then i don't think there's much. a lot of the rest of what she's had has been simple straightforward explanations (inherently NAI content wise) or just asking people for reads (gets townread a lot more than it probably should).

is this a blanket scumtell esp. on an inexperienced player? imo no, it's a newbtell and not a scumtell. ergo I prodded her to produce actual content on how she's reading the game rather than RVSing ( again newer players love rvs)

this is where your line of thinking and mine diverged. whereas you didn't see it as a scumtell, i saw it as a minor one (after checking flicker's previous games).

I can say right now that

every single

post Flicker made -today- was either IIOA (in the strict sense of the acronym) or pretty much entirely empty questioning. Look through her ISO if you don't believe me.

NSG can you case flicker please?

NSG can you case flicker please?

Here's the thing: do you think we're far enough into the day that:

1) Flicker has enough content that anything I say couldn't be explained away by it just being early in the day
2) A case I make is actually likely to make progress towards getting Flicker lynched and not just having random votes on and off the wagon?

These aren't rhetorical questions, they're just completely serious questions. Part of the reason why sometimes I guess I don't do much is because I very much so like to give things time so that people can produce enough content where either their newer content makes me rethink my read from their earlier posting, or they have enough posts such that anything I bring up is actually meaningful and won't just be overlooked as an artifact of it being early on in the game.

So why didn't you say you don't do cases much anymore rather than go to the length you did explain why casing her was a bad idea at that point in time?

I mean I've been given various reasons for you not to provide a case on Flicker, yet you've continued to say Flicker is scum with a confidence that lacks conviction when we look at the effort you've put into actually getting her lynched. I pushed that wagon to L-2 to see your reaction and you were nowhere to be seen...and now you're voting for TPFKAP. It all just doesn't make sense to me. If I were confident in a scumread you would all know it and I wouldn't rest until I got them wagoned. You've still got 3 days to get your lynch through, but you're sitting on a null read instead (i assume).

[CheekyTeeky]

Let's pretend my post didn't get ninjad by NSG voting Flicker.

[CheekyTeeky]

{RR, Chara, NSG, Gamma, Mala}
{Elsa, NDS, BuJaber}
{NicoRobin, Chick, Thor}
{Jingle, McMenno, Toogeloo, Flicker}

If someone can tell me what the bottom 4 have in common I'll locktown you for the rest of the game.

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poor interactions with the TPFKAP wagon?

No they all TMI'd if you read the TPFKAP flip and each players ISO. Jingle was different in that his TMI was about HoB. The other 3 talked about how someone was town because they revealed stuff about their role PM early...therefore they were aware ONLY TOWN ROLES DIDN'T KNOW WHO THEY WERE. Whereas we didn't know if scum had flavour or not.

VOTE: McMenno

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok...I'm really confused. Setup spec is not my forté...help.

So how many killing actions are we assuming? Another possibility is that there are multiple docs/or one doc who can block all kills.

I guess I have to believe Toog is town then? Still happy with my vote.

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The other 3 talked about how someone was town because they revealed stuff about their role PM early...therefore they were aware ONLY TOWN ROLES DIDN'T KNOW WHO THEY WERE. Whereas we didn't know if scum had flavour or not.

I specced that too, FWIW. I thought it maybe cleared Porkens. It was like, the core hesitancy behind voting him over NR waaaaaay back.

Why would you think it cleared anyone if you assumed (from a town PoV) that scum weren't given flavour either?

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Thanks for covering my butt Elsa. I will protect you as best I can against lynching

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Elsa can you heal the same person twice?

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Does a lightening rod attract shots?

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The Lightning Rod passively redirects every Night Action to itself. This includes the Mafia's kill as well as all investigations, protections, and so forth. -wiki

So I have no idea why Toog is still alive.

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Toog are you compulsive? If not why did you choose to turn it on N1?

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Ok. I lowkey was hoping for kills/more info but I guess that makes sense.

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Not sold on BuJaber scum. You guys should sheep me. Sky/McMenno scum.

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Read TPFKAP's rolecard.

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Who's saying that?

[CheekyTeeky]

You are Lawrence Dobson, an undercover Union of Allied Planets agent in pursuit of Simon and River Tam. You know that mysterious pair going by “Hands of Blue” are also in pursuit of the Tam siblings on behalf of the Union

Uh, that would require me to have a knowledge of your allies outside of "Tora is weirdly protective of Jay in a way that is unlikely to gain him towncred, which could mean that Tora's wincon is tied to Jay surviving and thus they might be Simon/River, but if so Jay is river and probably lying about being a doctor because why the fuck would River be a doctor."

Look weird Gamma?

[CheekyTeeky]

Can we just flashlynch McMenno now?

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:/ I'm not scary though...

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Cheeky, still wanted to know why Mala and Gamma are here.

Because I skim reread everyone and felt Gamma town plus mala started off towny to me. I've not liked her lurking since but I figured that's not enough to take my initial impressions away. If her lurking is scum lurking it'll become clearer.

[CheekyTeeky]

Hey, everyone, remember yesterday when Thor had to spend like 3/4ths of the phase repeating over and over issues with a slot's play.
And then said slot flipped scum.
Do we need to do that again?
I can do that again, but it is easier on my inner sense of peace and calm if I could get a couple of sheep on an obvious slot that isn't scumhunting.

Join mine first. I'll join yours one McMenno actually engages with the game/makes it easier to sort him.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Thor

He has been targeting us from the getgo, unlike say Cheeky, Elsa, Chara and Bujabar, who have actually been trying to sort us.

Vote McMenno for a scum-free future!

[CheekyTeeky]

Is it weird to anyone else that CT went looking for TMI tells in everyone's ISO and found only the least incriminating one in mine? It's kinda been bugging me.

You can't BoP me if you don't know me.

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I really get out of that is that you and Menno aren't groupscum together.

To save you some time: I am town, aligned with Serenity. I am not going to respond to further suspicion from you as it's wasting both our time.

The fact that you're casting fence-sitty shade on me for weird reasons whilst not considering all my content + previously provided scum meta, just makes me even more suspicious of you.

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also i don't want to lynch McMenno, but i'm going to review your ISO for why you want him/Skygazer slot because i forgot, haha.

I haven't really explained yet. It's a combination of Sky's TMI read on chick in light of the TPFKAP flip + gut + his reaction to my list....which was literally deflection and disappearance.

It's ok if you guys don't listen to me though because it just makes my post-mcmenno-flip-I-told-you-so more satisfying. Would prefer if we put some real pressure there though.

[CheekyTeeky]

Chara, if it helps to townread Gamma - he tries harder as scum and sound very awkward which isn't the case here imo.

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The other 3 talked about how someone was town because they revealed stuff about their role PM early...therefore they were aware ONLY TOWN ROLES DIDN'T KNOW WHO THEY WERE. Whereas we didn't know if scum had flavour or not.

VOTE: McMenno

I tried to explain it here Chara. I will make a big explanatory post when I'm home. I'm on the road atm will be back tomorrow or day after.

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The other 3 talked about how someone was town because they revealed stuff about their role PM early...therefore they were aware ONLY TOWN ROLES DIDN'T KNOW WHO THEY WERE. Whereas we didn't know if scum had flavour or not.

I specced that too, FWIW. I thought it maybe cleared Porkens. It was like, the core hesitancy behind voting him over NR waaaaaay back.

Why would you think it cleared anyone if you assumed (from a town PoV) that scum weren't given flavour either?

And here a little

[CheekyTeeky]

and I would request cheekyteeky to stop spreading fake news about me or have their team shoot me tonight

Yuck.

*notes resistance to wagon*

[CheekyTeeky]

Still following along. Still without internet

How are you following along if you have no Internet?

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Is it weird to anyone else that CT went looking for TMI tells in everyone's ISO and found only the least incriminating one in mine? It's kinda been bugging me.

You can't BoP me if you don't know me.

When did he say he was BoPing you?

Really Gamma? He's saying my search of his ISO isn't as thorough as he thinks it should be therefore he's assuming a certain level of proficiency. To sum it up his stance on that is bs.

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Anyone know what would happen if an RB was in the mix of PRs soaked up by the lightening rod?

On my drive I came up with some new theories:

All shooters have a %chance of hitting. (I think Chara's slot becomes very interesting if this is the case but I won't go there yet). This assumes that noone was successful and may suggest the % increases based on certain actions or as the game progresses.
A RB or more likely JK is in the mix which put Toogeloo in jail when he used his lightening rod therefore protecting him from kills.

Idk how useful this is but it's still bugging me that Toog is alive with no valid explanation.

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Ugh you guys suck. I still think McMenno is scum and Jingle shouldn't be trusted but what the heck let's lynch NDS. Tor if you're scum again I'm never going to believe you're town ever again.

VOTE: NDS

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i wanted to vote chicka but i feel like 10 is town spewy

idk who I am

Important: To avoid flavour gaming; Town players have NOT been given their flavour.

How is this not enough? Am I the only person who had no idea who had been given flavour?

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For "not knowing who I am" to be town spewy, you have to know only town don't know who they are right? I didn't see it as a tell because I assumed noone had flavour. Now that we've seen a scum role PM we know that scum know that only town have not been given flavour. I don't know if it implicates chic or not but I think going down the route of a sky/McMenno lynch will show if there's something behind my reasoning plus give us good associatives on Chick, Tor, TW/jingle and other people mentioned in the Sky ISO.

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CT, you appear to be townleaning on NDS. What does your scumpool look like atm? Are there any slots you're interested in engaging with/over?

After Tora changed to our hydra, you were hardtown reading us, so I’m a little bit confused how you’re viewing Tora’s initial EJ defense as suddenly scummy or at least that’s how it read to me?

I keep flip flopping on the slot. I explained why I thought Tor was scummy early along the lines of "noway anyone townreads Elsa, it's weird that your talking to RC and I like you know we're both town" early game - I just elaborated on that early suspicion with the help of meta when looking at Be Yourself Mafia. I, like Chara, found his posting got better and when he was bragging about reading Elsa correctly after he claimed, I thought this seems outside of Tor's scumrange. Then after RC left he started lurking again which is very much his scum meta, he finds it hard to be motivated as scum and has to be pulled into playing. So although there are aspects of good posting and stances that I thought come outside of his scumrange, overall the town effort and love for solving are missing which outweigh my hesitation to scumread you. That's why I said I wouldn't mind if someone vigged you because I can't sort you which is very frustrating as working with Tor has been very effective for winning in the past.

Preflip:

{mala, NicoRobin, Flicker, Toogeloo}
{TPFKAP, BuJaber}

Post TPFKAP flip:

{Jingle, McMenno, Toogeloo, Flicker}

Minus Toogeloo because he's lightning man.

I would like everyone to interact. Particularly McMenno, Mala, Chick, NSG.

[CheekyTeeky]

Any particular reason why Mala, NR, and Buj are looking better?

Not sold on BuJaber scum. You guys should sheep me. Sky/McMenno scum.

Cheeky, still wanted to know why Mala and Gamma are here.

Because I skim reread everyone and felt Gamma town plus mala started off towny to me. I've not liked her lurking since but I figured that's not enough to take my initial impressions away. If her lurking is scum lurking it'll become clearer.

So my readslist changed based on my TMI tells which I still believe have some grain of truth to them. Obviously Toog being town discredits the general read but I think there's at least one scum in that group which is the lynch I've been pushing today. I sometimes use readslists as reaction tests like the one post flip. I still wouldn't mind lynching any of the lurker/null slots and hopefully we get more info overnight. I still firmly believe McMenno is the best option but I feel like no one's listening or perhaps resisting.

Like if you guys can tell me why sky/mcmenno are town that could help get me out of this tunnel because I don't see it.

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@A50 Hi

[CheekyTeeky]

Fine *looks for other reasons to scumread mcmenno*

[CheekyTeeky]

toog PM spew thing felt fairly intuitive for me, idk I liked it for town!geloo

agree w this

VOTE: the worst

obvscum

thor showed up and is doing thor things so that's cool

rr wagon is eh but im not a fan of drixx posting

tora posting is still town

all my thoughts on mala this game, so I'm not accused of flip flopping:

Spoiler:

VOTE: malakittens

there's no way you're both town

malakittens MQ thing is several sheeped opinions condensed in a scumpost

I'm not defending anyone, I'm just giving my thoughts on the game

I find the scumreads on elsa pretty odd and like the people doing so should know better

Do you view what I'm saying so far as expressing a scumread?

-Cerb

you wouldn't be questioning elsa if you weren't pinged by him, but I was talking about RC and malakittens. I like how both progressed with their posting and I like RC townreading mala after mala's big post about elsa that I also thought was towny.

I'm reading mala's ISO now and my thoughts about it remain the same as whatever I thought in real time. I don't like his start. I dislike #33 tonally but I have no patience to explain in any way why, it's just one of those things where the phrasing pings my radar. #89 felt to me like he was just copy/pasting stuff people said and making a scummy montage with it. and then I liked this:

It's an over dramatic serious response to a post that shouldn't even be taken super serious considering it's RC. I love RC, but he's a guy that plays off other people's reactions. Unless he's changed his playstyle in 2 years+.

Again, I don't see where someone who's been playing for over a year would blindly believe RC and think it's a real mason claim like off the bat. Then attack people for voting RC in a RVS stage.

I can't tell if you, Tora, are defending Elsa because you think elsa is a newbie that can't defend himself or it's motivated some other way.

the fact you say he's someone who didn't play with people who opened with fake claims. I wouldn't know how the site played back in 2017. I was on a leave during that time.

@elsa have you played with RC before?

cause I liked his thoughts about me here. it's a minor thing, he can be scum saying it for sure, but I backed off after this post.

I had the strong impression when people were pushing elsa, that scum had to be pushing elsa too cause he was so towny it made no sense that so many people were piling on him.

VOTE: malakittens

scummiest ISO in the game imo

lol okay so i dont like this whole preemptive defense thing

VOTE: toranaga

i mean

im hard sring tora
nico has made like literally three posts
elsa is apparently 3rd party
and tw has just kinda been eh like i could see this as his town game but some of the things hes been posting reminds me of his scum game

so i may join you on RR

yeah lets do it, L-1 bb

VOTE: reasonably rational

VOTE: tora

tor + RC was tvt tho

VOTE: bujaber

876 is eh

I don't believe you're just playing dumb... I've only seen one player be this tonedeaf about roles

VOTE: nancy drew shogunate

sorry for not being "in"to this game, some rough days

McMenno have you read your predecessor's ISO?

Removed spoiler tags for readability (spoilers cannot be nested on MS)

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh no! Sorry wrong tag...

[CheekyTeeky]

Spoiler:

toog PM spew thing felt fairly intuitive for me, idk I liked it for town!geloo

agree w this

VOTE: the worst

obvscum

thor showed up and is doing thor things so that's cool

rr wagon is eh but im not a fan of drixx posting

tora posting is still town

all my thoughts on mala this game, so I'm not accused of flip flopping:

VOTE: malakittens

there's no way you're both town

malakittens MQ thing is several sheeped opinions condensed in a scumpost

I'm not defending anyone, I'm just giving my thoughts on the game

I find the scumreads on elsa pretty odd and like the people doing so should know better

Do you view what I'm saying so far as expressing a scumread?

-Cerb

you wouldn't be questioning elsa if you weren't pinged by him, but I was talking about RC and malakittens. I like how both progressed with their posting and I like RC townreading mala after mala's big post about elsa that I also thought was towny.

I'm reading mala's ISO now and my thoughts about it remain the same as whatever I thought in real time. I don't like his start. I dislike #33 tonally but I have no patience to explain in any way why, it's just one of those things where the phrasing pings my radar. #89 felt to me like he was just copy/pasting stuff people said and making a scummy montage with it. and then I liked this:

It's an over dramatic serious response to a post that shouldn't even be taken super serious considering it's RC. I love RC, but he's a guy that plays off other people's reactions. Unless he's changed his playstyle in 2 years+.

Again, I don't see where someone who's been playing for over a year would blindly believe RC and think it's a real mason claim like off the bat. Then attack people for voting RC in a RVS stage.

I can't tell if you, Tora, are defending Elsa because you think elsa is a newbie that can't defend himself or it's motivated some other way.

the fact you say he's someone who didn't play with people who opened with fake claims. I wouldn't know how the site played back in 2017. I was on a leave during that time.

@elsa have you played with RC before?

cause I liked his thoughts about me here. it's a minor thing, he can be scum saying it for sure, but I backed off after this post.

I had the strong impression when people were pushing elsa, that scum had to be pushing elsa too cause he was so towny it made no sense that so many people were piling on him.

VOTE: malakittens

scummiest ISO in the game imo

lol okay so i dont like this whole preemptive defense thing

VOTE: toranaga

i mean

im hard sring tora
nico has made like literally three posts
elsa is apparently 3rd party
and tw has just kinda been eh like i could see this as his town game but some of the things hes been posting reminds me of his scum game

so i may join you on RR

yeah lets do it, L-1 bb

VOTE: reasonably rational

VOTE: tora

tor + RC was tvt tho

VOTE: bujaber

876 is eh

Er fixed...

[CheekyTeeky]

Hi Tor - no I'm very much on the fence about your slot.

[CheekyTeeky]

i wanted to vote chicka but i feel like 10 is town spewy

Why? What makes you think only town don't know wwho they are?

Evidence I didn't know and what sparked later scumread.

[CheekyTeeky]

i wanted to vote chicka but i feel like 10 is town spewy

Why? What makes you think only town don't know wwho they are?

thats not it, i dont think scum would post anything role pm indicative before the sample pm was posted

that's so smart

Logic is a stretch on knowing some people know who has flavour. I think it's more likely sky scumslipped then being this observational....no offense!

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm kinda sold on mcmenno being scum

Vote with me then?

VOTE: McMenno

[CheekyTeeky]

@Flicker vote with us.

[CheekyTeeky]

I guess that's what explains my handful of townreads. I thought I'd have more at this point.

Im very excited to hear Drixx. Sorry about your circumstances, hoping the best for you guys <3.

[CheekyTeeky]

I believe the claim. Im not sure if I believe it's a town role yet.

[CheekyTeeky]

It doesn't matter at this stage as the claim/alignment is self resolving.

[CheekyTeeky]

Seriously? She daycopped TPFKAP after he was lynched? How does that implicate RR, I'm confused.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah.

VOTE: RR

Don't see how they could have made that mistake if they were actually trying to solve the claim instead of looking like solving the claim.

Wouldn't it confirm Chick as scum too? Why RR first?

[CheekyTeeky]

How can you confuse the time you sent a PM to the mod? Ugh what's going on lol.

[CheekyTeeky]

Thor does it check out?

[CheekyTeeky]

:/ thanks for killing my wagon.

[CheekyTeeky]

Why is mala scum Chara?

[CheekyTeeky]

If it's what I think you're talking about, you're going to have a hard time differentiating between bad town/3p/scum slip.

Flicker rereading it has convinced me you're conf. town, if that makes you feel better.

[CheekyTeeky]

Also, tonally I believe Elsa is not scum but I'm still very interested.

[CheekyTeeky]

If it's what I think you're talking about, you're going to have a hard time differentiating between bad town/3p/scum slip.

Flicker rereading it has convinced me you're conf. town, if that makes you feel better.

Convinced that Flicker is conftown?

-Cerb

Yes.

[CheekyTeeky]

So currently I townread:

Flicker
RR
Chara
BuJaber
Chick
Jingle
Thor
GE

This is in order of strength. If I have no scum in here then, including myself, there's our 9 townies.

[CheekyTeeky]

Maybe Toog instead of someone...

[CheekyTeeky]

Also, tonally I believe Elsa is not scum but I'm still very interested.

"Interested".

Now you got me worried.

I'm interested to see the logic and if I'm right, also I think they're going to try to nail associatives too. It will take a very compelling case to lynch you. Don't worry.

[CheekyTeeky]

Maybe Toog instead of someone...

Chick town also heavily indicates NR town.

I was think about lynching NR just to see how it works, not sure how reliable the pics are or how they are meant to be interpreted. Day cop is a pretty game breaking role so I think it must be nerfed in some way i.e. cryptic clues which arent as direct as this pic = this character. Elsa might be best protecting Chick tonight either way.

[CheekyTeeky]

Chick what did you recieve for Porkens that made you think he was scum? Did you get 1 or multiple pics and did they tell a story or was his character one of the pics?

[CheekyTeeky]

How can you be bored in this game??? Does not compute.

[CheekyTeeky]

Chick what did you recieve for Porkens that made you think he was scum? Did you get 1 or multiple pics and did they tell a story or was his character one of the pics?

One pic, of the HOB duo

And you got one pic of River for Nico?

[CheekyTeeky]

FoS: NSG

Kill it with fire.

[CheekyTeeky]

[CheekyTeeky]

I will point out that Flicker claimed having a Role PM that went from the redacted sentence DIRECTLY TO THE ROLE NAME/MECHANICS when asked

Can you quote this? I think you're misunderstanding Flicker and you may have missed what pseudo confirms her as town.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Ari

Welcome. Your predecessor played her scum meta, how do you plead?

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh.

UNVOTE:

Jingle why did you unvote rather than go back to the NSG vote which you called "serious business"?

[CheekyTeeky]

This ship is your home and the crew is your family. In an effort to protect them, {explanation of what we do}

You're Inara. I have a different lead up. Jingle and Flicker both accidentally town told by saying they are part of serenity.

[CheekyTeeky]

What? I'm not giving any info that's not already known.

Toog is likely 3p with similar bp properties hmm.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Ari

Welcome. Your predecessor played her scum meta, how do you plead?

Welp! You got me! XD

GG this was fun!

Man I'm good. *Blows recently fired finger pistol*

[CheekyTeeky]

We have a lot of claims considering only one person has died and they were scum lol.

Do we consider letting mala live in favour of lynching scummier slots like Ari / McMenno or do we lynch her anyway to prevent more claims?

[CheekyTeeky]

I feel chick is towny on tone, particularly when she gets annoyed. I also see no reason for scum to claim in that role in that position.

[CheekyTeeky]

That's a good point. Hopefully people are onto it enough to unwagon mala and jump on someone more decent. *coughAricough*

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: McMenno

[CheekyTeeky]

I figured I should let Ari settle in before tying rope around his neck. Either is fine imo.

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't see how getting 3p players to mass claim is beneficial at this stage. I think we just continue to assess claims based on previous actions and feasibility. I do think we just lynch the next player if they aren't town though.

Jingle who is your biggest scum read atm?

[CheekyTeeky]

Jingle don't you think RR is cleared based on revealing part of his role PM?

[CheekyTeeky]

Also didn't you say Flicker as priest is town cleared?

[CheekyTeeky]

That's essentially 8/16.

Which reduces it further down for us. If you think there are at least 3 group scum (I'm thinking at least 4 - 2 Hob and 2 alliance) then we're looking pretty good.

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh ok well with your hidden partner that's 9/16. And if I'm right about numbers then we've got this in the bag. Would be great to get a lynch going now.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ari when can we expect some posts from you? Anything we can help you with like links to main events etc?

[CheekyTeeky]

Ari I suggest skimming RR's Iso as it will take a few posts to get it (bottom third of ISO). To sum it up:

RR came into today saying they thought they caught a scumslip Day 1 when they were interacting with Flicker around Flicker's priest claim.
They said the scumslip was that Flicker missed a bit of flavour before her role that town role PMs should have. I don't believe this is true as Flicker mentioned something that she would've only known if she had that said bit of flavour in her role.
RR revealed their bit of towny flavour from their role PM. Which made it sound very much like they are the character Inara.

[CheekyTeeky]

Loool. What does your role PM say just before you are told your role?

[CheekyTeeky]

Well if you weren't reading RR's slip I thought I'd ask as it could pseudo confirm you as town. It's hard to know if you had read it or not although if you are scum you would have a team tell you to say something along those lines.

Was worth a shot.

[CheekyTeeky]

It's ok Elsa you're the cutest dumbo <3

[CheekyTeeky]

Ari NSG tunneled flicker pretty hard all day 1 and she lurked out today to be replaced after flicker was looking increasingly accepted as town. Usually activity is NAI but NSG, as you put it, can obvtown pretty well. She hadn't and she then emulated her scum meta by lurking. I don't want to accuse her of cheating but you have to admit it looks pretty bad.

Would like to hear more about your Toog fos. Are you familiar with him as a player? Your stances on 3p discussion seems a little contradictory.

[CheekyTeeky]

Game specific:

1- All PTs are open day & night

Elsa, they aren't as cute as you. Sorry if you felt attacked, was just being a smart ass.

[CheekyTeeky]

Actually you may have a point on Toog pushing 3p for lynch over looking for groupscum. What do you make of him activating has lightening rod D1 and not dying? Ive not seen a lightening rod before, let alone know anything about whether it's a +ev role for town or scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

Elsa used her heal to protect me. Today I think she is best protecting chick who is a modified day cop. (Or at least we can say she is going to in order to deter scum from shooting her.)

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh Elsa is also ascetic so her heal can't be stopped.

[CheekyTeeky]

Toog are you compulsive? If not why did you choose to turn it on N1?

Toog are you compulsive? If not why did you choose to turn it on N1?

Not Compulsive.
Because we lynched non-town on Day 1 which means that two town could have died during the night phase. Best way I could do something about that was to use my ability while we still had protection in the game.

This is what toog said after I asked why he turned it on N1.

[CheekyTeeky]

Congrats!!!! I'm only 3 weeks behind you lol.

[CheekyTeeky]

you can take Cheeky and i right out of that for today due to Cheeky's claim and my implicit one.

I wasn't claiming book btw. I just think RR's flavour makes the most sense as Inara.

[CheekyTeeky]

For the record, I do not have any flavor between the 1 and 2 RR was looking for.

How strange.

[CheekyTeeky]

Also also Congrats Thor and Cheeky!! =D

Lol just to clarify I wish I was marrying Thor he's the best superhero and all but alas I'm marrying a lovely mere mortal. Thanks!

[CheekyTeeky]

Thor not even in the top ten of superheroes.

Also congrats to the both of ye and your SOs.

he's in my top 3. /end friendship.

[CheekyTeeky]

Toog what's wrong with McMenno and NDS as lynches today?

Pedit superman sucks.

[CheekyTeeky]

I am also in favour of replacing NR

[CheekyTeeky]

I feel like there must be scum in the claims somewhere because I'm town clearing/town reading too many people now.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Toogeloo

[CheekyTeeky]

Good luck with that wagon bro.

I just like being contrarian ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[CheekyTeeky]

Tails what is your alignment?

[CheekyTeeky]

Lightning Rods basically always have modifiers. Did they claim unlimited?

No, it's better they don't claim tbh.

[CheekyTeeky]

Hmm I'm glad tails is here but if he's neutral there's nothing stopping us from lynching that slot tbh. I don't believe he's neutral and based on Chicks posts it would actually point to him being HoB.

[CheekyTeeky]

I hereby declare that I shall die on the 2nd day of 2nd month in year 2022, so I'd get to be with Ace. <2

In fact I can see this being a scumslip, with Nico potentially claiming to be River here. If Nico were River she wouldn't know and therefore wouldn't crumb 22. (River often said two by two hands of blue).

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Tails

[CheekyTeeky]

Tails it wouldn't be a stupid question if you'd actually taken the time to read the thread. But sure add another 10 pages so people can help you catch up.

[CheekyTeeky]

Anyway wtf was Nico crumbing in her first post?

[CheekyTeeky]

Also Cheek, if my predecessor was trying to crumb something, why do you think I would tell you what it was?

Who said I was asking you?

[CheekyTeeky]

Thor seems pretty townie overall especially after the TPF flip.

Really? You're going to give Thor credit for a flip that from a scum perspective, was not aligned with scum. Can you point out what you found towny apart from that?

[CheekyTeeky]

Also Cheek, if my predecessor was trying to crumb something, why do you think I would tell you what it was?

Who said I was asking you?

What makes you think anyone else would know? And do you really think it's a good idea to try to figure out someone else's crumbed role in thread? I mean, you're either scum or pants on head stupid.

Lol yeah how about read the game because you're the only stupid looking one here. Now eff off. Done talking to you.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm still down for McMenno and possibly Ari though I would want to give him more time. I can't shake the read that RC rep out was towny.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah I'm not disagreeing with your read on Thor, I just get a weird feeling that you're recycling stuff in your bigger posts.

[CheekyTeeky]

I think Tails reaction here:

do you really think it's a good idea to try to figure out someone else's crumbed role in thread?

Is conf. biased as town. He hasn't read so is likely unaware of the TMI scum had in their role PMs. Although it still doesn't make sense to me that Nico appeared to be crumming early (as it's known now that town role PMs have redacted flavour), it is possible that she was either just being random or there were other clues that lead her to that assumption. I'm happy to stay away from that slot for now. Don't care if Toog is lynched but might be better to lynch in the PoE pool of McMenno, Ari, NDS (Chara or Thor as a last resort).

VOTE: McMenno

[CheekyTeeky]

If Gamma got shot overnight, for example, CT and RR would have been good possibilities for the scum who shot him.

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't overtly townread him/make it obvious if I were scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh, also.

This needs to die. If this doesn't die, then you're all bad and you should feel bad.

VOTE: Tails

-Cerb

I wish you were voicing this opinion before he literally shat on me for being stupid. Speaking of, I don't think it's a coincidence that the two most useless town clears are aggressive and in ??? Territory relative to the other town clears.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm like 90% sure the slot isn't River, btw, given that River is the best possible match flavorwise to two other claimed roles

This was a hidden reason behind my push. I didn't really want to bring it to anyones attention in case noone else had noticed.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah ok I'm down with this. Glad I wasn't just being dumb.

VOTE: Tails

[CheekyTeeky]

P.S. - The chances that NR dropped in the "2" crumb and somehow isn't HoB are drastically low. Hands of Blue. Two by two. Since we have our character redacted, there's no way that NR did that as a River crumb. Tails did a good job trying to salvage the slot, and even avoided the Amished tell ... but it's still the most probable slot we have to be scum, and the flip acts as a check on Chick.

how long were you sitting on that one in your PT? :>

When did I first tell the game that the slot was almost certainly scum? Before that, obviously.

~D

...I totally brought it up first :/ guess you need to be RR to be taken seriously.

[CheekyTeeky]

Lol missed that. Mig sig it post game.

"CheekyTeeky - :/ I guess you have to be Reasonably Rational to be taken seriously."

[CheekyTeeky]

If you were onto the slot before us ... cool. It's a co-operative game after all.

I do have to say that your desire to have credit in a multi-ball game is not doing you any favors.

~D

I wasn't onto NR before you, just the crumbing which I didn't think was AI until the scum flip, combined with Chicks reads. I was just feeling sorry for myself but what do you mean it doesn't do me any favours? It wasn't a dig at you so no idea what you mean by passive aggressive crap.

[CheekyTeeky]

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

McMenno (6):	BuJaber (2082),	Flicker (2613),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2814),	CheekyTeeky (2867),	Chara (2905),	Jingle (2933),
Toogeloo (3):	Elsa Jay (2765),	Chickadee (2780),	Gamma Emerald (2792),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (1):	Thor665 (2092),
Chickadee (1):	Toogeloo (2872),
Aristophanes (1):	McMenno (2884),
Tails (1):	Reasonably Rational (2914),
Not voting (3):	Tails,	Malakittens,	Aristophanes (2912),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Tails (4):	Reasonably Rational (2914),	Jingle (2941),	CheekyTeeky (2946),	Flicker (2952),
Toogeloo (3):	Elsa Jay (2765),	Chickadee (2780),	Gamma Emerald (2792),
McMenno (3):	BuJaber (2082),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2814),	Chara (2905),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (1):	Thor665 (2092),
Chickadee (1):	Toogeloo (2872),
Aristophanes (1):	McMenno (2884),
Not voting (3):	Tails,	Malakittens,	Aristophanes (2912),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

McMenno apparently.

[CheekyTeeky]

Wait when TF was McMenno a Wagon and why? XD

It seems I missed that!

I've been trying to wagon McMenno all day since the scum flip believing that the predecessor in that slot (skygazer) had unwittingly TMI'd on Chick's alignment. BuJaber has been sitting there pretty much all day. There was a general lack of interest until people started using the "town clears" to PoE, leaving you, McMenno, NDS, Thor, myself, and Chara. Then people started wagoning McMenno until Tails replaced in.

[CheekyTeeky]

i wanted to vote chicka but i feel like 10 is town spewy

idk who I am

Important: To avoid flavour gaming; Town players have NOT been given their flavour.

How is this not enough? Am I the only person who had no idea who had been given flavour?

For "not knowing who I am" to be town spewy, you have to know only town don't know who they are right? I didn't see it as a tell because I assumed noone had flavour. Now that we've seen a scum role PM we know that scum know that only town have not been given flavour. I don't know if it implicates chic or not but I think going down the route of a sky/McMenno lynch will show if there's something behind my reasoning plus give us good associatives on Chick, Tor, TW/jingle and other people mentioned in the Sky ISO.

This was my earlier case on McMenno. To which he kindly asked me to cease and desist.

[CheekyTeeky]

It's just my bruised ego but I get where you're coming from.

[CheekyTeeky]

hey, I'm also technically retired.

Wait when TF was McMenno a Wagon and why? XD

It seems I missed that!

the wagon on me is obviously a scum fabrication to slander my name and take the head of a virtuous town player.

now that I think about it, my vanity vote is better server VOTE: CheekyTeeky

McMenno what are your thoughts on the "town clears" and remaining PoE pool?

[CheekyTeeky]

Interesting.

Side note: is anyone familiar with McMenno? Is his lack of caring AI?

[CheekyTeeky]

If Tails is not HoB, Chick has high HoB equity, especially if Toog or Tails flip River.

Can you explain please? Why is v/v or tvt not a possibility?

[CheekyTeeky]

Cheeky is scum or town that thinks going "gotcha" is scumhunting.

What? I've never said "gotcha." Also, please tell me what you think scumhunting is?

I might be under the illusion that scumhunting is finding scum in several different ways. It will be interesting to know the one right way.

[CheekyTeeky]

What? I've never said "gotcha."

Right. My bad. You just thought I was the candy cane murderer because I was singing Lollipop while licking a Dum Dum.

I might be under the illusion that scumhunting is finding scum in several different ways. It will be interesting to know the one right way.

Normally it involves figuring out motivation, intent, thought process, and whether they're a Sagittarius. That last part isn't necessary. I'm just curious.

How do I find motivation and intent without pushing you as a reactiontesty/tonereader type player?

[CheekyTeeky]

The fastest way ime is to call you scum with some strong points. You can call it "gotcha" but if you can't see me assessing my "gotchas" then that's not really on me.

[CheekyTeeky]

....O_o do you need a hug bro?

It's not your fault...it's not your fault.

[CheekyTeeky]

Youtube failed me, no goose juggling... and then I ended up watching this instead.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: BuJaber

[CheekyTeeky]

Uh where did I soft protective BuJaber? Also, since when are Flicker and RR protective roles?

If a game has many killing roles but also many protectives, it's not much of an 'overkill' game, is it?


If a game has many killing roles but also many protectives, it's not much of an 'overkill' game, is it?

Pretty sure this^ is scumplaining.

[CheekyTeeky]

you can take Cheeky and i right out of that for today due to Cheeky's claim and my implicit one.

I wasn't claiming book btw. I just think RR's flavour makes the most sense as Inara.

[CheekyTeeky]

the Litany of Tarski.

Wow. I love it.

[CheekyTeeky]

Even if you think I didn't obvtown because I'm a master manipulator.



My crumbs are so obvious that I'm regreting posting them.

If they're so obvious you might as well claim and save me the trouble of having to dig through your ISO.

[CheekyTeeky]

Regardless of whether I die today, Cheeky needs to be looked at closer. She's being very blatant with the fishing.

Why would I, as scum, blatantly fish?

[CheekyTeeky]

And that's not even counting the useless questions that she uses instead of scumhunting. And if you don't know what that is, that's any question that would be answered the same regardless of role or alignment. They're questions that add nothing to the game, but makes it look like you're contributing. They're also sometimes used to get easy wagons if the recipient goes off script and gets snarky.

P-edit: What was scummy about my entrance? Because I'm guessing you don't like snark.

Can you like actually stfu about my playstyle. All you've done is bitch and moan and insult my intelligence based on one post. It makes you look very scummy that you continue to push this one point and then give a dumb scum tell that makes zero sense. If you actually want to discern my alignment, take your own effing advice and try to see how my motivation makes no sense as scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

Cheeky:

What do these 2 questions add to the game:
1.) What's your alignment?
2.) What was your predecessor crumbing?

Hey Tails, how many posts do I have? And again if you had read the fucking game you would fucking understand why those questions made sense.

[CheekyTeeky]

We can play 20 questions all you want. But stop acting insulted when I show how useless you're actually being. And if you're not actually scumhunting, then there's reason to believe you might not be town.

I'm NOT FUCKING ACTING YOU PIECE OF SHIT. YOU CAN'T JUDGE ME AS USELESS UNLESS YOUVE ACTUALLY READ ALL OF MY POSTS SO ACTUALLY GO FUCK YOURSELF.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ugh. I was enjoying this game until this idiot came along. I'm going to get super toxic so I'm stepping away and might consider repping out because I can't stand this guy.

[CheekyTeeky]

@Ari is there a reason you're not voting?

[CheekyTeeky]

The entire thing about flavor in role PMs etc was kicked off by flicker being super reluctant to say anything about their role on even after having claimed their role,combined with scum having flipped with an explicit warning that town do not have flavor.

I feel like she was very open with explaning her role PM and the structure of it before a flip.

Spoiler: Flicker explaining role PM

I'm a Town Priest (probably Shepard Book). At least if I die first, it sort of fits narratively, plus my role's "power" is slightly burdensome for town. I was trying to breadcrumb with my emoji choice, but I guess nerd to books to Book isn't that straight-forward.

If you'd like, I can prove my role by trying (and failing) to hammer myself? Normally I wouldn't even gesture toward a self-voting because it's so anti-town, but it genuinely won't do a thing in this case. I checked with the mod, there's no repercussions for trying, either.

I mean, what other priest-like characters are there in Firefly/Serenity, even? If I'm not Book, who on Earth would I be? And if Book's not town, what even is this game?

(And yes, to answer an earlier question I keep forgetting about, it's been a while since I've seen either. I used to be deep in the fandom stuff, though, which I'm relying on to carry me, but d'oh on forgetting Mr. Universe, assuming that's who you - RR? - were alluding to as a major ally in the movie.)

My flavor's redacted, of course. But seriously, who else could I be? Maybe I'm too confident in who I am, but nobody's lining up to prove me wrong yet, either.

Pedit: Yes Chara, it looks scummy, I know, whatever.

RR, I feel like we're edging into dangerous territory near "don't quote your role PM," and I'm also not quite sure what you're asking/what you hope to gain from it, but I'll see if I can't paraphrase my role PM in order.

Flavor redacted
Priest, explanation of role (can't hammer)
No other power
Aligned with Serenity

Okay, I hope that doesn't get me modkilled. Does that answer your question?

pedit: So Flicker, there are zero flavory things like "As a man of the cloth, you would never hang someone yourself. You can not cast the hammering vote on a wagon" or some shit like that? It's just "You a priest, you can not hammer"?

Correct, there's no flavor, just basically, "You're a priest, no hammer for you, other votes are fine."

I mean you could be right but I saw her saying "Aligned with Serenity" as a town tell because scum wouldn't know if we had that in our role PMs. For all scum know we could have had "aligned with town." My biggest issue with Flicker is their lack of contribution to the game post-D1.

Their reticence and lack of the (as we view it) possibly clearing awareness displayed by cheeky, jingles, and chara makes them more likely to be scum than town.

You're scumreading us for disagreeing with you?

[CheekyTeeky]

Aligned with Serenity comes from the Sample town role pm. And you are misreading that post. Flicker did not have the same awareness displayed by {Cheeky, Jingles, chara} which makes them (Flicker) more likely to be scum than town.

~D

Oh. Ok I can see what you're seeing.

What do you make of Toogeloo saying that he's town but that he also had no flavour in their role PM?

Spoiler: Toog discussing flavour

idk who I am

Neither do I. My flavor was cut out "to be revealed later."

Is it bad that I townread everyone except RC, Tor and Chickadee?

Most impressive since like half the game hadn't posted yet.

Joke went over too many heads.

Mod did not, nor did I ask, reveal my flavor. I don't know what I am.

Flavor wise... I "might" be River since, ya know, everyone wants to find her and me taking action would of course make all heads turn my way.

For the record, I do not have any flavor between the 1 and 2 RR was looking for.

My Role PM is simply...
"You are

[REDACTED]

. You are a

Lightning Rod

.

[Explanation of Lightning Rod]

. You win when all threats to the Serenity Crew are gone."

I am not Compulsive.

I'll also happily lynch any 3rd party claim, but that's not the same as actively hunting for 3rd party.

[CheekyTeeky]

Iirc these are the only players who haven't claimed in some way:

Chara, Ari, NDS, Tails, Thor.

Wouldn't it be better to lynch in here rather than in a claim that could be Book? Does Book make sense as a glorified VT or did they have a stronger influence in the series?

[CheekyTeeky]

I think I'd rather vote Flicker than tails, from a contribution PoV. Also I take back the McMenno wagon being a good idea. Thor, let's get it started.

VOTE: NDS

[CheekyTeeky]

hey there, sorry I've been absent

-tor

:/ great timing.

[CheekyTeeky]

We don't think that Priest is Book?


I refuse to be on Flicker or Tails wagons today. I just want it on the record. I'm not going, not even to consolidate.

That's fine but I think Light Ethos/McMenno should be left today too.

[CheekyTeeky]

why are you voting us, cheeky?

Because in my pool of non-claims "Ari, Chara, BuJaber, Tails, Thor" you're the most likely to be scum imo. Also the alternative wagon options on Tails and Flicker aren't the most appetising. I'd probably go Flicker over Tails if I can't consolidate a wagon on you.

[CheekyTeeky]

who did tails replace in for?

NicoRobin.

cool

cheeky did you explain what type of green check you have on nico? is it a peek, or is it something else? sorry if you already did that.

BuJaber confused me with Chick. Chick is a modified day cop. She thinks Tails is River/Simon. RR thinks the check plus the weird crumb at the beginning of Nicos iso point to Tails being HoB. It does make sense but even though the dude rubs me the wrong way he's trying.

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh wait take BuJaber out of that pool.

[CheekyTeeky]

Jingle - Mason
Gamma - Mason
Elsa - 3p doc
RR - town flavour
Mala - 3p lyncher
BuJaber - softed
Chick - modified day flavour cop
MeMenno - softed
Toog - lightening rod
Flicker - Priest

[CheekyTeeky]

Flicker do you have anything to say about RR's case on you?

[CheekyTeeky]

So you said you obv town, which hasn't happened...and now you're low hanging fruit? The omgus is real.

[CheekyTeeky]

Anymore outdated scum tells you guys feel like dropping?