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Post Post #5369 (isolation #400) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:18 am

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In post 5363, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 5358, Creature wrote:Let's wait two days for mastina to comment on it anyway
Also this @Jingle, plus mastina reads in order anyways always so she’ll never get to the climax before the buildup
You'll forgive me for not discussing possible outs for the player being guiltied because she always reads chronologically. Or you won't, but that would be moronic.

Also, she promised content today, so hopefully it won't be another two days. :fingers crossed:
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Post Post #5372 (isolation #401) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:18 am

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Hey jj.

Shuddapayouface.
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Post Post #5374 (isolation #402) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:22 am

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In post 5282, Jingle wrote:
In post 5043, Creature wrote:
In post 5037, Jingle wrote:Oh, btw. I totally didn't act last night because
nihilism
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Hi
In post 5196, Creature wrote:I believe I got an incriminating result on mastina (barring redirection)
Scumclaim, I think.
I'd like to point out that it is the combination of these, not either individually that is the potential scumclaim. Of the two, the former is far more alignment indicative.

For the record.
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Post Post #5381 (isolation #403) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:28 am

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In post 5377, NicoRobin wrote:If there is a guilty, you sheep it, no questions asked. Not doing so just gives the guiltied party wiggle room to get out of the guilty.
That's a stupid theory.
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Post Post #5384 (isolation #404) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:33 am

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In post 5376, Creature wrote:Oh, it was a inner joke because I'm nihilist IRL.
For the record, the former response is not game related in any way?

Hm. That potentially changes things. Not for the creature/mastina thing, but for the creature scumclaiming thing.

I advocate a rolecop on Creature if possible.
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Post Post #5386 (isolation #405) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:35 am

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In post 5375, Shoshin wrote:What's the problem with those posts?
I
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Post Post #5388 (isolation #406) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:39 am

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In post 5378, THE MEME MEN wrote:Or we can progress the game, not let it die again, since waiting on futile things is, well, futile.
I find this complaint unnecessary when a bunch of things are currently happening. This is THE most active and productive the thread has been since I joined the game.
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Post Post #5392 (isolation #407) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:11 pm

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It's unlikely, but possible.
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Post Post #5393 (isolation #408) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:12 pm

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In post 5387, Shoshin wrote:Jingle is back to null because his reads are really bad and poorly explained.
Hm. What was the source of the townread in the first place?
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Post Post #5395 (isolation #409) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:14 pm

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In post 5389, Creature wrote:
In post 5384, Jingle wrote:For the record, the former response is not game related in any way?
No, it isn't. You said nihilism and I said hi because that's my belief, I didn't realise it was actually game-related.
I suggest you reread the context of that quote then.
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Post Post #5408 (isolation #410) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:27 pm

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In post 5404, Lady Angel wrote:And now you're a cop again.
Her not being a rolecop would violate the second of RC's game specific rules. TBF, so does Shoshin's role, but this would be an explicit violation and not an implicit one.

She is confirmed a rolecop.
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Post Post #5415 (isolation #411) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:36 pm

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In post 5404, Lady Angel wrote:the two people who most vocally believed you were scum.
I haven't ever believed NR was scum, afair.

I believe she's a good gladiate target, but I don't believe she's scum.

In fact, I'm pretty sure the only person who thinks I believe NR is scum is NR.
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Post Post #5421 (isolation #412) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:57 pm

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HurtCount 4.3:

Ineligible Players:

Adalbert:
Mastina: (4) , , ,

Eligible Players

Firebringer: (5) , , , ,
Nicorobin: (4) , , , Jingle,
Creature: (4) , , , Jingle
Whemestar: (4) , , , Jingle
Northsidegal: (3) , ,
Aristophanes: (2) ,
jjh927: (2) ,
Gamma Emerald: (2) ,
Nero Cain: (2) ,
Jingle: (1)
Vecna: (1)
Lady Angel: (1)
The MEME Men: (1)
Porkens: (1)
Invisibility: (1)
Shoshin: (1)

With 18 alive, 10 is the proposed Gladiate Threshhold. If you want to reduce or increase the threshold, please indicate as such.



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Post Post #5422 (isolation #413) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:59 pm

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I perpetually forget to update one of the number of voters parts.

Nico has 5 voters.
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Post Post #5424 (isolation #414) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:20 pm

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In post 5306, Jingle wrote:Hm.

What does buddying mean to you in a mafia context?
@shoshin.
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Post Post #5426 (isolation #415) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:12 pm

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Okay. I'll get back to that when I've finished metaing you, I suppose.
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Post Post #5440 (isolation #416) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:04 pm

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First of all, your only scumgame is a really WTF moment game.

Second, the hurtcounts are to manipulate the pace of the game to play better with the large playerbase and mastina's role, mostly due to an incredible level of inactivity.

Basically, anyone you're willing to lynch/see gladiated is in your hurt pool. This can be expressed via hurt tags

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[hurt]Playername[/hurt][code] or by just generally making it obvious to me you want said player gladiated. I've been including votes because if you want them lynched you presumably don't mind them being gladiated.

The goal was to speed up the game to prevent even more flakiness.
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Post Post #5441 (isolation #417) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:04 pm

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crap.

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[hurt]Playername[/hurt]
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Post Post #5447 (isolation #418) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:14 pm

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HurtCount 4.4:

Ineligible Players:

Adalbert:
Mastina: (4) , , ,

Eligible Players

Nicorobin: (6) , , , Jingle, ,
Firebringer: (5) , , , ,
Creature: (5) , , , Jingle,
Whemestar: (4) , , , Jingle
Nero Cain: (3) , ,
Northsidegal: (2) ,
Aristophanes: (2) , ,
jjh927: (2) ,
Gamma Emerald: (2) ,
Shoshin: (2) , Jingle
Jingle: (1)
Vecna: (1)
Lady Angel: (1)
The MEME Men: (1)
Porkens: (1)
Invisibility
: (1)

With 18 alive, 10 is the proposed Gladiate Threshhold. If you want to reduce or increase the threshold, please indicate as such.
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Post Post #5450 (isolation #419) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:17 pm

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In post 5448, THE MEME MEN wrote:Don't know about her scum meta though.
It appears to be manipulate the shit out of people, obvscum, and have a buddy claim scum with her D1.
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Post Post #5489 (isolation #420) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:01 pm

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Kay, creature. What is mastina’s supposed flavor?
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Post Post #5493 (isolation #421) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:06 pm

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In post 5491, mastina wrote:Sure, yeah, if you're running a game where the Crew of Serenity is all the good guys and their enemies are all the bad guys, flavor becomes alignment-indicative (I abandoned ship on that review for good reason ), but in any competently designed game where flavor is alignment-indicative the nontown have safeclaims for flavor. In a game like this one though, role is done separately from flavor.
I would’ve won anyway and the sequel isn’t broken by flavor. :shifty:
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Post Post #5551 (isolation #422) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:42 am

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In post 5546, NicoRobin wrote:Also, to everyone who townreads mastina: I want you to write that you will apologize in public for making us lose on purpose in your next post.
I don't want to make a sig bet, because I can't remember if those are allowed. But I'll apologize somehow if my mastina ends up endgaming town despite the fact that I've literally been advocating she die before endgame since replaced in. :roll:

Now that creature pretty much confirmed his own role, my paranoia is no longer there because he literally CAN'T have done the thing I thought he did.

VOTE: Lady Angel
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Post Post #5552 (isolation #423) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:49 am

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Creature, any reason you didn't investigate the prominent player who had flavor claimed N1?
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Post Post #5554 (isolation #424) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:09 am

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Because the guilty on mastina didn't come until D4?
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Post Post #5556 (isolation #425) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:16 am

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That satisfies that doubt, I suppose.
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Post Post #5561 (isolation #426) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:59 am

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HurtCount 4.4.2 (Because I screwed the pooch on 4.4 apparently):

Ineligible Players:

Adalbert: (0)
Mastina: (4) , , ,

Eligible Players

Nicorobin: (6) , , , Jingle, , ,
Firebringer
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Whemestar: (4) , , , Jingle
Aristophanes: (3) , ,
jjh927: (3) , ,
Creature: (3) , ,
Nero Cain: (2) , ,
Northsidegal: (2) ,
Gamma Emerald: (2) ,
Shoshin: (2) , Jingle
Lady Angel: (2) , Jingle
Jingle: (1)
Vecna: (1)
The MEME Men: (1)
Porkens: (1)
Invisibility
: (1)

With 18 alive, 10 is the proposed Gladiate Threshhold. If you want to reduce or increase the threshold, please indicate as such.

Hopefully this is accurate now. I'm not going to backcheck, though.
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Post Post #5562 (isolation #427) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:00 am

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PSA:

Whemestar, claim who you voted for during Varsoonlock. That is all.
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Post Post #5564 (isolation #428) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:33 am

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Dammit. I'll fix it in the next one. :facepalm:
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Post Post #5567 (isolation #429) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:04 pm

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Jingle
Adalbert Steiner
Vecna
Mastina

The MEME Men
Nero Cain
Nicorobin
Porkens
Creature
Firebringer
jjh927
Invisibility
Aristophanes
Northsidegal
Shoshin
Whemestar
Lady Angel

Vizzy still null line.
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Post Post #5569 (isolation #430) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:10 pm

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Sure.

Also, fire made no secret of the fact he thought mastina was town.
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Post Post #5570 (isolation #431) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:16 pm

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Presumably this is the part where you ask whatever questions you have that you want to talk about.
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Post Post #5572 (isolation #432) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:29 pm

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A change in reads on Creature.

Apparently he wasn't scumclaiming, therefore I'm moving back to my next highest scumread.
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Post Post #5573 (isolation #433) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:31 pm

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Or are you asking me to scumcase you?
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Post Post #5576 (isolation #434) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:04 pm

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Your pushes have been the driving force. The two big ones I can remember are Firebringer and NR, both over things that have more to do with being bad than being scum.

Your push on NR boils down to she's being inconsistent and erratic with her role. You've done very little (if anything) to explain why that's more likely to be scum than derptown.
Your push on Firebringer is similar, in that it's very surface level. You're clearly aware of his push on mastina, but not enough to realize that it is in fact a policy lynch push. Something that should be immediately obvious to anyone actually trying to read his alignment.

Of course, both of those stances are correct, but you've done very little to show why they're scum because of them. NR IS being weird about her role. Fire IS tunneling mastina. But that's as far as you get. Additionally despite having those stances, you're far from the most vocal proponent of either case (JJH for Nico, Mastina for Fire), so you're unlikely to suffer much blowback should they flip town.

Also, mastina thinks you're scum, I haven't seen a single post by you that makes me feel the townvibes, and I have a fairly quickly dwindling PoE pool.
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Post Post #5581 (isolation #435) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:56 pm

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Is there any specific aspect of their play or is there anything else in particular that makes this scum instead of bad? Do you have any reason to suspect that either of them specifically would be prone to reevaluating?
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Post Post #5582 (isolation #436) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:09 pm

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In post 5580, WhemeStar wrote:Did jingle ever reveal why he thought he would get mod killed
I presumably have information I'm not supposed to have. At this point, I'm nearly 100% sure that I'm not supposed to have been sent said information, because RC hasn't told me that I was supposed to be sent that info. I believe it is most likely that RC is discussing with a listmod how damaging to the game state it is that I have that information, to which the answer is "not very". Still if the game wasn't already impossible to get replacements for, I probably would already have been replaced.

The modkill assumption was that Sky got killed to keep the game going (I think), and it wouldn't be unreasonable as a choice to do the same to me.

Also, I'm assuming that's a you voted mastina claim, Wheme.
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Post Post #5585 (isolation #437) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:23 pm

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Again, my plan specifically has workarounds for the cases in which she's scum.

I know you're going to continue ignoring that, but I feel almost obligated to keep bringing it up at this point.
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Post Post #5586 (isolation #438) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:29 pm

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HurtCount 4.5:

Ineligible Players:

Adalbert: (0)
Mastina: (4) , , ,

Eligible Players

Nicorobin: (7) , , , Jingle, , ,
Whemestar: (5) , , , Jingle,
Firebringer
: (4) , , , ,
Aristophanes: (3) , ,
jjh927: (3) , ,
Creature: (3) , ,
Shoshin: (3) , Jingle,
Lady Angel: (3) , Jingle,
Nero Cain: (2) , ,
Northsidegal: (2) ,
Gamma Emerald: (2) ,
Jingle: (1)
Vecna: (1)
The MEME Men: (1)
Porkens: (1)
Invisibility
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Post Post #5587 (isolation #439) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:31 pm

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NR is currently L-3. There is no reason to draw out this day arbitrarily. If you don't support that gladiate and your name isn't mastina, you should weigh in on why. Sooner, rather than later.
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Post Post #5600 (isolation #440) » Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:48 pm

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In post 5593, NicoRobin wrote:And furthermore, when exactly do you plan to lynch her?
5 confirmed innocent results or Maximum number of scum players remaining x2 +3, whichever comes first.

The second number is currently 15, FWIW. So... 3 more days, assuming we miss scum 3 times consecutively.
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Post Post #5640 (isolation #441) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:45 am

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In post 5601, NicoRobin wrote:Okay, so, would you really want me as conftown?

Furthermore, if we're both town and she is disloyal, then the gladiate won't work. She might also refuse to do it.

How about those?
Yes, I think you’re valuable as a conftown. Not only are you a pseudo investigation (results not immediately damning or clearing but rather indicative) the clearing of you forces ~5 reevaluations. The proof that you are scum would cause at least mastina and me to reevaluate. You’re a high contention slot and having your alignment confirmed, or pseudo confirmed, is high value here.
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Post Post #5657 (isolation #442) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:32 pm

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In post 5650, Aristophanes wrote:It may seem bad form but I can adhere to lynching the dead slots to keep the game going. I myself would have replaced out long ago if not for the difficulties in finding replacements.

I do better once the playerlist is culled anyway, and we're probably sitting alright with like, what, 2 scum dead already?

I wouldn't be remiss if the game were called, but that's selfish. We have a good chance of bagging this game, especially with what seems like another slam dunk scum lynch on the way! But only if the game continues!

I was sheeping FB, so, VOTE: Invisi
If FB and Invis replaced out because they're scum who don't think scum has a shot at winning anymore, then why bother playing the game to an inevitable conclusion?

If RC as the most informed party thinks calling it is the right call, I'm fine with taking him at his word.

To be clear, I will stick around if the game continues, I just don't see a reason to continue the game if we're just going to lynch based on the assumption that it's mechanically broken without using the presumed mechanical brokenness.
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Post Post #5730 (isolation #443) » Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:02 pm

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VOTE: Vizzy slot

I for one have been low efforting because I'm burnt out on chasing people down to get them to content. I'm totes cool with phoning it in for the rest of this day phase and getting back to it tomorrow if I'm still alive though.
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Post Post #5799 (isolation #444) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:26 pm

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In post 5781, NicoRobin wrote:@Jingle Do you really want a blubbering idiot who can't tell her right hand from her left as a conftown, eh? Especially since Vecna and many others agree that I am irrational and not making any sense.....
Gladiating and confirming you is more about proving jjh right or wrong than about changing the weight of your opinion. If you're proven to be scum, jjh has to reevaluate and pull himself out of this tunnel, giving more for me to read from him. This tunnel comes across as incredibly scummy to me, but the self meta is weirdly compelling for something I usually just ignore, and there's a chance to read him better if a hard reset comes. If you're scum, on the other hand, it means that MY read of the thread is off and I need to reset.

I happen to know that your read on me is wrong. I happen to believe that your read on mastina is wrong. If you're not feeling the pressure you're feeling right now I think you're more likely to reevaluate your tunnels. And I'm flipflopping hard on JJH. So no, I have no reason avoid confirming your alignment.
In post 5779, RadiantCowbells wrote:I am willing to modkill up to 2 slots. If a third slot after that replaces and is empty for 5 days I will be calling the game.

I will be modkilling Invis in 3 days from now, I think.
Okay.

VOTE: Firebrunger

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Post Post #5800 (isolation #445) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:40 pm

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HurtCount 4.6:

Ineligible Players:

Inviz: () Gonna steal this from the next vote count, but there's no point in gladiating a probably modkill.
Adalbert: (0)
Mastina: (4) , , ,

Eligible Players

Nicorobin: (8) , , , Jingle, , , ,
Whemestar: (7) , , , Jingle, , ,
Firebringer: (5) , , , ,
Aristophanes: (3) , ,
jjh927: (3) , ,
Creature: (3) , ,
Shoshin: (3) , Jingle,
Lady Angel: (4) , Jingle, ,
Nero Cain: (2) , ,
Northsidegal: (2) ,
Gamma Emerald: (2) ,
Porkens: (2) ,
Jingle: (1)
Vecna: (1)
The MEME Men: (1)

With 18 alive, 10 is the proposed Gladiate Threshhold. If you want to reduce or increase the threshold, please indicate as such.

End the Game: (1) Firebringer
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Post Post #5801 (isolation #446) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:41 pm

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Whoops. 4 should be greater than 3.

Also,

UNVOTE:
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Post Post #5940 (isolation #447) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:41 pm

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Prod received.

VOTE: No Lynch
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Post Post #6026 (isolation #448) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:32 pm

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In post 6011, NicoRobin wrote:So......

@JJH @Jingle Your 'analysis' was wrong after all, and that means you were either so damn stupid or you're both scum with mastina and Porkens. I am your Judge, Jury and Executioner. What do you have to say for yourselves?
1. It's Judge Judy and Executioner.
2. I misread her. It happens.
3. I remain, and this is hilarious, correct, about what the 'right' play was. Note that because of my/jj's plans, Adalbert and Fire are now conftown.
In post 6012, Nero Cain wrote:So we are killing all of Vecna, Jingle, JJH and NSG right?
3/4 of those are very probably town.
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Post Post #6032 (isolation #449) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:47 pm

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Oh, I was roleblocked yesterday. I was not allowed to talk about the roleblock yesterday and could only say that I didn't submit my action because town was going to lose or nihilism or something along those lines.

Additionally, there is no danger of me being force replaced at this point, it's been resolved.
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Post Post #6042 (isolation #450) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:55 pm

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Adelbert Steiner- conf via mastina
Firebringer- conf via mastina

Invisibility- about to be modkilled. Don't gotta worry anytime soon.

Vecna- Probably responsible for the missing kill N2. Possibly responsible for the missing kill tonight. Probably town.
Creature- Probably town from the derpguilty on mastina.

jjh927- Not scum with NR. Want to see reactions today. Very doubtful imo that 3 of the members of the scumteam have 'I'm gonna fuck with the ability of town to vote' roles, so if his role is confirmed low priority sort.
Porkens- Not scum with NR. Interested to hear reasons he's town independent of that.
Nicorobin- I dislike the surety of the flip preflip. Reads as TMI to me.

Jingle- Me.

That leaves 2-5 scum in the following:

The Meme Men
Nero Cain
Shoshin
Gamma Emerald
Aristophanes
Lady Angel
Whemestar
Northsidegal

Meme and Nero probably town? Does anyone have strong reads/reasons on the rest?
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Post Post #6043 (isolation #451) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:56 pm

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In post 6033, THE MEME MEN wrote:
In post 6032, Jingle wrote:Oh, I was roleblocked yesterday. I was not allowed to talk about the roleblock yesterday
sorry if this is a dense question but are you saying you were roleblocked night 3 and could not talk about it day 4 or that you were roleblocked day 4 and couldn't talk about it day 4?

-rh
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Post Post #6056 (isolation #452) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:07 pm

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In post 6048, Vecna wrote:Because either you or JJH was covering for the Mastina kill getting jailkept on N2.
Wrong logic.

Neither of us would need to 'cover'. The missing kill was equally likely to be on her or by her from your perspective.

And I have said all I need/want to say on that topic for the moment.
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Post Post #6058 (isolation #453) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:08 pm

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In post 6055, Vecna wrote:Read it, the disloyal description of the gladiate.
It specifies success on 'Town' and failure on 'Mafia'. There is no mention of what happens on 3p. Implication, there is no 3p. Not hard confirmation, but positive likelihood.
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Post Post #6069 (isolation #454) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:16 pm

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Can 2/3 of the voting players unvote and have jj lock a single vote in place?

Thanks.
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Post Post #6070 (isolation #455) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:17 pm

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Hell he can even lock a vote on me, I just want to prove his role works as advertised without shooting us in the foot more than necessary.
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Post Post #6074 (isolation #456) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:20 pm

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@Meme

Lady Angel
Shoshin
Northsidegal
Gamma Emerald
Aristophanes
Whemestar

From town to scum, roughly. Note, I have no strong feelings about any of these players and should probably fix that.
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Post Post #6075 (isolation #457) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:20 pm

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In post 6072, Nero Cain wrote:JJ is a claimed deathproof or something.
1 shot deathproof and capable of stopping anyone currently voting from changing that vote for the rest of the day.
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Post Post #6078 (isolation #458) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:23 pm

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Note, our flipped scum are a gladiator and someone who made us vote by secret ballot.
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Post Post #6080 (isolation #459) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:25 pm

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NR and Porkens are almost certainly not scum together.

From everyone else's PoV, they should only be able to be scum together with me.
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Post Post #6082 (isolation #460) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:26 pm

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Nah. Nero has what you said backwards.
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Post Post #6086 (isolation #461) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:36 pm

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In post 6083, Vecna wrote:
In post 6080, Jingle wrote:NR and Porkens are almost certainly not scum together.

From everyone else's PoV, they should only be able to be scum together with me.
All scum have been hyper-bussing eachother so far. Whats to say Mastina didnt have her entire team in her highest scumreads?
? Not sure what that has to do with what I said.

NR provably targeted Porkens N1.
NR presumably targeted mastina N2.
NR targeted me N3.

All of us corroborated the use of the role. The mastina event was fucked up from the start, but I very seriously doubt that scum gave up their rolecop for 2 consecutive nights in a UPick in order to distance.
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Post Post #6096 (isolation #462) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:37 pm

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If anyone who isn't conftown got targeted by the loud doc they should probably claim.

NR should definitely target Meme Men ASAP, because they're not conftown, but if their role is Autowin gladiates the odds drastically increase.

I suggest no one else allow her to know their role.
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Post Post #6116 (isolation #463) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:00 pm

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In post 6114, Aristophanes wrote:So Shiro isn't here?
I feel jipped

I'm guessing someone's a doublevoter then or whatever. I'll see about catching up with that part at least at some point!
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Post Post #6118 (isolation #464) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:04 pm

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Who got the pizza last night, btw?
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Post Post #6120 (isolation #465) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:22 pm

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In post 6047, Shoshin wrote:How many scum do you think this game started with?
This post is weird. I'm not sure why, but it keeps sticking in my brain.
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Post Post #6167 (isolation #466) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:00 am

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In post 6121, NicoRobin wrote:I wasn't targeted by a loud doc per se, but by a loud babysitter. Thought I'd get that out of the way.
:facepalm:

Well there goes that bit of WIFOM.

Probs still means NR is town barring another kill prevention mechanic though.

Might have two guilties today.
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Post Post #6168 (isolation #467) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:01 am

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Oh, nvm. My result wasn't a guilty. just the one then.
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Post Post #6169 (isolation #468) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:04 am

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In post 6153, Aristophanes wrote:I know TMI is "Too Much Info."
Basically my use of TMI was to say that she was too sure of herself about the mastina read. Like, 0 doubt in her mind, mastina was flipping scum in twilight. Which came across as scum, because town has no reason to arbitrarily increase the strength of their reads post hammer.
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Post Post #6171 (isolation #469) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:09 am

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In post 6122, NicoRobin wrote:Also, you are a liar. You said you would apologize to me in public if she flipped scum. Where is that apology, Jingle?
In post 5551, Jingle wrote:I don't want to make a sig bet, because I can't remember if those are allowed. But I'll apologize somehow if mastina ends up endgaming town despite the fact that I've literally been advocating she die before endgame since I replaced in.
I see no chance of mastina endgaming town, therefore no chance that I will need to apologize.

:D

Also, I fixed the typos in my original post.
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Post Post #6172 (isolation #470) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:11 am

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In post 6170, NicoRobin wrote:Says someone who had 0 doubt that mastina was town.
Should I go through and dig up all of the posts I make about if mastina is scum? Really? Cause I can, but that seems like a giant waste of my time.

Either way, the combo of you being the protection last night, there likely being no other protections, and the missing kill means you're probably town here.
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Post Post #6174 (isolation #471) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:18 am

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Sure. They prove that I was using her role to find conftown.

Conftown we now have.

I'm glad we can agree I did that clearly protown thing.
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Post Post #6177 (isolation #472) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:27 am

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In post 5600, Jingle wrote:
In post 5593, NicoRobin wrote:And furthermore, when exactly do you plan to lynch her?
5 confirmed innocent results or Maximum number of scum players remaining x2 +3, whichever comes first.

The second number is currently 15, FWIW. So... 3 more days, assuming we miss scum 3 times consecutively.
Factually incorrect.

I wanted to lynch her (or ideally, use her to confirm Meme Men's role) the day before it was mechanically possible to be LYLO.

It's like we've gone through all of this before, with all of these posts we're quoting back and forth and the whole conversation is useless. :shifty:
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Post Post #6179 (isolation #473) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:47 am

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Sure. That is one interpretation. An incorrect one, but an interpretation nonetheless.

And, in fact, none of what I've been saying has been AI at all for me, because my plan as scum is always to argue the best behavior for town to look super town, as even a cursory metadive of me would tell you.

If I am scum, the plan was to confirm as few people as possible while setting myself up to endgame.

If I am town, the plan was to confirm as many people as possible while working on whittling the PoE pool to an autowin.

In either of those cases, I would have argued to lynch mastina on the day when it became mechanically optimal because THAT IS WHAT I DO, both as town and scum.

For the record, the optimal play was: Gladiate Anyone. Gladiate specifically Shoshin. Gladiate Y players, where Y is the number of additional players afforded by scumlynches and successful protections. Gladiate Meme Men, at exactly the point when number of players alive satisfied the mathematical equation I just linked.
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Post Post #6181 (isolation #474) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:14 am

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Lynch her?

Like... Mastina hasn't been unlynchable for me since some time in 2013.

We have a healthy respect for each other's ability, but going into that argument with it being the correct play on my side, I win that fight more often than not. Especially with a large portion of the thread already wanting to lynch her out of frustration.
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Post Post #6185 (isolation #475) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:29 am

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Cool. So, we've got

JJ proves his role
NSG responds to parity guilty
Vizzy flip
Lynch

on the docket for today. Anyone see a reason we shouldn't have this dayphase wrapped up before Monday?
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Post Post #6187 (isolation #476) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:42 am

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No?

Proving his role doesn't prove he is town. Failing to prove his role does prove he is scum (or aggressively antitown).

I don't think it is likely that RC put three roles that all fuck with town's ability to vote in a game as scum, but that doesn't mean it's impossible. It is, OTOH, evidence that I can and will consider.

Further, jjh using his role early is EVEN MORE IMPORTANT if he is scum, because letting him use it whenever he wants increases the chance he can use it in a proscum fashion.
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Post Post #6213 (isolation #477) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:49 am

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In post 6208, Creature wrote:Who were mastina gladiates?
Adalbert, Chick, Firebringer, brunger of fire. She did not gladiate D3 because Varsoon, brunger of Darkness, brought the Darkness and no one could see.
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Post Post #6214 (isolation #478) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:51 am

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In post 6190, THE MEME MEN wrote:no need, rc said he'll modkill that slot .... isn't that right, RC??
That's why it's on the docket for today. I'm not advocating we lynch Vizzy. I'm saying that's one of the few important events that will happen today.

Also, Vec claimed 3 shot.
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Post Post #6224 (isolation #479) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:53 pm

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I've been waiting for Za Warudo to go off personally. I don't want to be stuck in case new and important information comes up.

I'm totes voting NSG in spirit tho.
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Post Post #6227 (isolation #480) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:55 pm

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In post 6223, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 6012, Nero Cain wrote:So we are killing all of Vecna, Jingle, JJH and NSG right?
Your list includes all of the people who could possibly explain the lack of scumkill N2.

Thoughts?
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Post Post #6246 (isolation #481) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:13 pm

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In post 6236, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 6227, Jingle wrote:Your list includes all of the people who could possibly explain the lack of scumkill N2.
NSG hasn't claimed has she?
Vecna RB'd mastina, I was targeted by a babysitter, and JJH claimed deathproof.
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Post Post #6248 (isolation #482) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:15 pm

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In post 6245, northsidegal wrote:like, people scumread me, whatever. i really don't care in a game like this. when it gets to looking like i might get lynched over fucking nicorobin that's when people need to wake up.
What's your take on the missing kill last night?
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Post Post #6251 (isolation #483) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:16 pm

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In post 6247, Creature wrote:
In post 6246, Jingle wrote:Vecna RB'd mastina
???
JK, night 2. It's the most reasonable explanation so far as to why there was no kill that night.
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Post Post #6254 (isolation #484) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:21 pm

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Why not? She was clearly not the endgame strategy for her team.

Alternative theories being scum shot me (who was spending most of my time defending Mastina) or JJH (who was spending most of his time defending mastina) are pretty out there.

We do have the missing Nihilism roleblocker from that night, so it's a possible alternative, but I'm guessing that's scum assuming I was faking being targeted by a loud doc as a normal doc. Which means Ari is probably town for being targeted by a scum RB.
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Post Post #6258 (isolation #485) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:28 pm

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On N2, Nico.

On N2.
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Post Post #6259 (isolation #486) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:30 pm

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In post 3430, Jingle wrote:2/3 of the potential people could still be it. Good enough.

We have a loud doc. I was targeted last night.
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Post Post #6260 (isolation #487) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:34 pm

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In post 6255, Nero Cain wrote:ok?

1.) Mastina was scum so she wasn't getting shot
2.) Mastina was very unlikely to do the kill b/c scum usually send a buddy with less heat that's likely to not a draw a track. And even if Vecna did stop the kill that doesn't have anything to do with you, JJH or NSG
3.) No way JJH would have been shot when he was defending scum and there's no way to test his death proof claim unless we like lynch him and he doesn't die.
4.) NSG hasn't claimed yet AFAIK so you getting targeted by a LOUD? babysitter means nothing.
Yeah, but that still points at the idea that you want to lynch every explanation we have for the missing kill on N2.

NSG is irrelevant to that. My question is how does that sit with you?
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Post Post #6271 (isolation #488) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:14 pm

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In post 6248, Jingle wrote:
In post 6245, northsidegal wrote:like, people scumread me, whatever. i really don't care in a game like this. when it gets to looking like i might get lynched over fucking nicorobin that's when people need to wake up.
What's your take on the missing kill last night?
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Post Post #6274 (isolation #489) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:39 pm

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In post 6272, northsidegal wrote:there are a lot of things that could've happened.
Okay. So what do you think those things are? Despite Nero's assertions to the contrary, there are actually very few unclaimed roles when compared to the number of roles we know must exist but don't have a player for. If Nico is scum, then the babysitter didn't stop the kill, which means someone else did. Do you think we are likely to have a Jailkeeper, babysitter, and some additional protective? Do you think the roleblock on Ari stopped the kill, and if so why does he come out with that after I explained my post restriction yesterday and why do you think I was a good town roleblock target N3? Do you think these are fakeclaims?
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Post Post #6287 (isolation #490) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:27 pm

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In post 6277, THE MEME MEN wrote:We have a parity cop guilty, Fire! That's right! Just what this game needed! Even more gladiation!

Really though one out of Nico and NSG is scum so which is it?

-rh
But can we have more gladiation? How about if we resurrect mastina and have her gladiate you before you make Nico and NSG gladiate each other, all while watching the movie Gladiator?
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Post Post #6290 (isolation #491) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:41 pm

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TBF, I pretty much just expected to sheep Firebringer today regardless, so that works for me.
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Post Post #6418 (isolation #492) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:29 am

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Firebringer - Neighborizor who gives his neighbor the ability to track/watch/voyeur 1 shot each until all used.
Adelbert Steiner - Self Resurrector (No Flip).

Nicorobin - Triplevoter/Tracker, target's choice. (Target's choice is to tell her role, confirmed by mastina/me/Porkens)
Jingle- Yo, been doing the pizza thing. Didn't really hide it.
Vecna- Loud? Jailkeeper with a PR, reflexive fruit vendor (musical flavor IIRC)
Shoshin- Delayed entrance bg
Creature- Flavor Cop (Receives incomplete/useless results)
Meme Men- Pinball Machine Doublevoter

Lady Angel - 'Basically VT'
jjh927- Vote Freezer 1 Shot Deathproof

Invisibility (Cannot have acted last night, was absent for entire phase.)
Aristophanes (Claimed to have not acted last night for one of the reasons given in the PR Roleblocker pm)

Porkens (Refused to give role to NR N1)
Gamma Emerald
Nero Cain
Whemestar
Northsidegal


Abilities we know exist but cannot place:
Roleblocker who causes PRs about the roleblock lasting one day.
Babysitter who appears to be treating their role as a vig shot.

I actually forgot about Adalbert's for a while, but the rest of these are from memory. I may have forgotten somebody.
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Post Post #6420 (isolation #493) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:45 am

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In post 6339, Shoshin wrote:I probably wouldn't have used the role until now anyway, since there wasn't anyone worth bodyguarding.
Objectively wrong, but actually the claim and this seems both consistent with you being town and your flavor, so there's that.

Allow me to explain.

BG only happens if you choose someone who is also the nightkill. The argument you have for not targeting an IC (Sometimes IC's are useless, or wrong, or whatnot) is 100% valid. You should always target someone though. If you don't have a clear player worth targeting, you should target someone whose read on the game is different than yours in a significant way.

This is because if they are not a large threat to scum, they are unlikely to be targeted for the Nightkill. If they are a large threat to scum, their read on the game is probably more accurate than your own. You are not qualified to decide for sure that your read is an accurate/the best one, because that very bias is what is likely to be swaying your read. And if you are correct and the other player is wrong, they're also unlikely to be killed, meaning that you don't die a meaningless/antitown death.

Also, throwing off a plan scum has in place is almost always going to be positive utility.

Of course, this changes in the presence of a vig (in which case you also have to outguess who the vig is going to shoot) or if scum does something incredibly stupid like shoot at themselves (legitimately has happened), but those cases are rare enough that bodyguards should guard pretty much every day.
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Post Post #6421 (isolation #494) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:47 am

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I'm fine with Shoshin being provisionally trustworthy at this point, which means that we have a potential max remaining scum of 4. The case of 5 remaining scum was always a very unlikely longshot anyway.
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Post Post #6424 (isolation #495) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:57 am

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In post 6417, THE MEME MEN wrote:So why aren't you saying who visited no one?
The way her role works, her target has 48 hours after daystart to choose whether to send her role or make her a triplevoter.

She then gets the results from RC (presumably). Her not having results for today yet is consistent.
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Post Post #6427 (isolation #496) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:07 am

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Votecount 5.241.1:

Gamma Emerald (0):
Porkens (0):
Fire

Aristophanes (0):
NSG

Lady Angel: (0):
Whemestar (0):
Jingle (0):
Creature
, Nero
Firebringer (0):
Creature (0):
Nero Cain (0):
The Meme Men (0): Porkens
jjh927 (0):
Vecna (0):
Adelbert Steiner (0):
Northsidegal (0):
Creature

Invisibility??? (0):
Nicorobin (0): JJH, Lady Angel, NSG, Creature, Fire,
Porkens

Shoshin (0):

Not Voting: Sora, Aristophanes, Nicorobin, Whemestar, Adelbert Steiner, Invisibility???, Gamma Emerald, Jingle, Shiro, Vecna, Shoshin

Slightly more complete votecount. Porkens attempted to unvote you but tag failed, so his vote should still be there. Also included the votes that were made and changed already for reference.

The vote threshhold, assuming it is calculated the way I think it is (1 additional player because of public doublevoter) will drop if Vizzy is modkilled, so L-1 is functionally a hammer here.
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Post Post #6428 (isolation #497) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:10 am

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In post 6426, NicoRobin wrote:Poreksn, mastina and jjh are who I checked so far.
Oh yeah, forgot this in the roles thing. IF NR is town, we also have a redirector/busdriver type role that moved her from jjh to me on N3.
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Post Post #6430 (isolation #498) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:12 am

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In post 6425, THE MEME MEN wrote:jjh & nico have been at each other's throats on d4. Today d5, jjh is voting nico. That was part of the reasoning we included nico & nsg to be checked. If it's suboptimal since we didn't parity investigate a confirmed town vs an unknown, well, we didn't think of that. We thought what would make sense most , at the time of n4 so we did what we thought best.
Nah, parity cop should always check two slots in the PoE pool unless it's the day before LYLO. Your choice was fine. Personally, I would have gone for more lurker-y people than NSG and NR (Wheme and GE/Ari, probably) but not targeting conftown wasn't a mistake.
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Post Post #6432 (isolation #499) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:16 am

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Because at the beginning of D4 I got a PM from Raybells saying that NR was demanding my role.

Being as I am a fruit vendor, I gave 0 shits about her knowing that and let her have the knowledge. She claims that she got me going nowhere, which is consistent with the fact that I was roleblocked.

I let her pressure jj for a while because I thought it was a reaction test, but claimed receiving the PM as soon as I decided it was likely a real misunderstanding.
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Post Post #6434 (isolation #500) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:17 am

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Because, mechanically, it was the right play. Still is in hindsight. And I am uncompromising about espousing optimal mechanical play, because allowing people to make bad decisions mechanically encourages sloppy behaviors that more often than not make games unwinnable for town.
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Post Post #6435 (isolation #501) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:20 am

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In post 6179, Jingle wrote:For the record, the optimal play was: Gladiate Anyone. Gladiate specifically Shoshin. Gladiate Y players, where Y is the number of additional players afforded by scumlynches and successful protections. Gladiate Meme Men, at exactly the point when number of players alive satisfied the mathematical equation I just linked.
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Post Post #6436 (isolation #502) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:55 am

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In post 6406, Vecna wrote:Those targets only make sense really if (censored) is the babysitter and just wanted those people to die in the offchance he was killed that night. Taking that risk to reveal yourself on people you want to die is really stupid though.

Just ask yourself; was scum EVER going to kill Jingle or NR with townclears aplenty? Ofcourse not
This, btw, was exactly why I was trying not to out that the doc was a babysitter. I even made it clear that I thought I was a bad doc target.

Babysitter chooses to act as a vig or a doctor, but the role is kinda shitty at being either. In this case, they're clearly trying to be a vig. Scum babysitter doesn't make a ton of sense rn, what with all of the missing kills and the complete lack of evidence for the existence of a vig. There being a loud doc is a great reason for scum to go dochunting (presumably in the nonclears) as shooting for clears with a doc in the setup is tantamount to suicide. I was lowkey hinting I might be the doc with all the refusals to address why no-one else had gotten the result, and I fully expect at least mastina picked up on it because she knows the way I think to a certain degree. My read on me being roleblocked was that I was successful there, but didn't manage to draw the nightkill.

Additionally, if the scumteam began hunting the babysitter AND found them while they were acting like a vig, then we had a kill on a scummy slot.

And with that, I think I've put most of the cards I've been holding back out on the table.
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Post Post #6440 (isolation #503) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:25 am

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In post 6437, Nero Cain wrote:I think she's very unlikely to be in the original 5 scum.
The OP changed when she entered. Originally it said there were 5 scum, 16 town and 1 player of indeterminate alignment.

It now says that there are 5 scum 16 town and 2 players of indeterminate alignment.

Thus, Shoshin would have to be a sixth scum player in order to be scum, and Shoshin would have to be scum in order for there to be 7 scum.

Either way, there are at least 3 scum remaining outside of Shoshin, so yes. She is pretty much off the table for the foreseeable future.

And I retracted the likely 3rd party bit as soon as she claimed, so...
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Post Post #6441 (isolation #504) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:26 am

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In post 6439, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 6431, THE MEME MEN wrote:ok. But why did you no lynch.

-LH
@Jingle Why aren't you answering this one? If you are town, you should have no qualms about answering it......
I already did. Twice.
In post 6434, Jingle wrote:Because, mechanically, it was the right play. Still is in hindsight. And I am uncompromising about espousing optimal mechanical play, because allowing people to make bad decisions mechanically encourages sloppy behaviors that more often than not make games unwinnable for town.
In post 6435, Jingle wrote:
In post 6179, Jingle wrote:For the record, the optimal play was: Gladiate Anyone. Gladiate specifically Shoshin. Gladiate Y players, where Y is the number of additional players afforded by scumlynches and successful protections. Gladiate Meme Men, at exactly the point when number of players alive satisfied the mathematical equation I just linked.
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Post Post #6460 (isolation #505) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:30 am

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In post 6451, Nero Cain wrote:IDK, I keep looking at this playerlist and it always comes down to the same ppl.
Okay.

Why are Gamma, Wheme, Porkens, Ari, and LA all town?
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Post Post #6461 (isolation #506) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:31 am

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In post 6455, RadiantCowbells wrote:Fight me
I can't. I'm not a gladiator.
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Post Post #6482 (isolation #507) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:31 am

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In post 6460, Jingle wrote:
In post 6451, Nero Cain wrote:IDK, I keep looking at this playerlist and it always comes down to the same ppl.
Okay.

Why are Gamma, Wheme, Porkens, Ari, and LA all town?
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Post Post #6513 (isolation #508) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:19 pm

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In post 6506, Shoshin wrote:There's a few specific posts that I could bring up as well if need be.
Would be interested, but it's probably not high priority, tbh.
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Post Post #6518 (isolation #509) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:59 pm

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In post 6517, Nero Cain wrote:your top 2 town reads are the guy that passionately defended both scum and the other guy that wanted to use Masyina's role for 5 days and then bus her?
Who defended Varsoon?
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Post Post #6525 (isolation #510) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:50 pm

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In post 6522, Nero Cain wrote:Varsoon was Titus, yes? b/c Vecna was defending Titus.
Oh, okay. I don't think I cared about that part of the game.
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Post Post #6544 (isolation #511) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:36 pm

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In post 6535, northsidegal wrote:what's more, i'm not even sure how a redirector and a parity cop would resolve.
Standard redirector would probs just give a result of Same Alignment (because he'd target the same person twice).

That said, Busdriver wouldn't necessarily be detectable, and nonstandard redirector could do just about anything.

Also, the existence of a role like that is only self evident if NR is telling the truth about having targeted jjh initially. (Yesterday)
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Post Post #6551 (isolation #512) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:43 pm

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In post 5044, Jingle wrote:Wait, are you saying that you intended to target jj and the previous conversation wasn't some kind of reaction test?
This is when the possibility of redirection was introduced, FWIW.
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Post Post #6590 (isolation #513) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:50 pm

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In post 6526, Nero Cain wrote:Why not?
Originally, because I thought I had a better reason to suspect Vecna.

Then because I tried sorting Varsoon by engaging him.

And then because Varsoon had flipped.

Honestly, I don't think I've read a single Titus post this entire game. At the very least, I don't remember any of them.
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Post Post #6609 (isolation #514) » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:24 am

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It occurs to me that every piece of evidence for NR town has a completely rational alternative explanation, and all of the grey area setup spec items for me are based on/around that role.

I'm gone tonight, but as soon as jj
Za Warudo's and attempts to unvote
I'm going to vote there.
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Post Post #6610 (isolation #515) » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:27 am

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Also, Creature. Vecna is a good target for your ability. He's fullclaimed flavor and the number of A's in his role might be indicative. Can't think of anyone else off the top of my head, but I'll try to figure out if anyone elses claim could be corroborated.

Meme Men might have an outrageous number of A's? They certainly seem complicated enough to.
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Post Post #6668 (isolation #516) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:40 am

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He prevented all currently active votes from changing. They should probably attempt to revoke or unvote, but it can be assumed they’re locked in.
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Post Post #6669 (isolation #517) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:41 am

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Btw, meme just got a whole hell of a lot more suspicious.
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Post Post #6673 (isolation #518) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:59 am

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In post 6671, Aristophanes wrote:Forever?
Rest of the day.
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Post Post #6674 (isolation #519) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:02 am

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In post 5438, Invisibility wrote:
i guess replace me lol

sorry rc i tried
In post 6261, THE MEME MEN wrote:
In post 6217, Vecna wrote:So Mr parity cop, why is there only 1 result? And how come you were unaware that there have been 4 nights so far?
Our ability only became available after someone fixed our pinball machine

we chose NSG+Nico because having a "same alignment" on both had the potential of giving us a second guilty if we flipped the first, this way we have to settle for a townclear after we flip red

-rh
Would a being replaced Vizzy have repaired MM's machine?
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Post Post #6675 (isolation #520) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:15 am

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In post 6670, Creature wrote:I still say he looks better than nsg and Nico together
You're not wrong.

And it's possible that Vizzy wasn't killed in the night for inactivity because he'd presubmitted an action.

#fuckit

VOTE: Nicorobin
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Post Post #6679 (isolation #521) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:32 am

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So...

You're saying Vizzy wasn't here to act and yet there's no chance he left behind instructions, but he still acted in absentia to repair yourmachine last night?
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Post Post #6685 (isolation #522) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:41 am

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In post 6681, Aristophanes wrote:Machine was repaired before last night tho...
In post 6682, THE MEME MEN wrote:
In post 6631, Lady Angel wrote:Does your pinball machine thing let you target people during the day? If so, I can't see a redirector working on him,
No I don't have day check afaik.

-LH
Oh.

I thought that Meme had claimed to have been repaired last night and was a day action.

:facepalm:

Please ignore the crazy person talking to himself in the corner.
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Post Post #6687 (isolation #523) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:58 am

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We have 9 days per the last VC. If this takes 9 days I'm going to be annoyed. Also lynch threshhold is at 9, not ten.
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Post Post #6690 (isolation #524) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:05 am

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In post 6185, Jingle wrote:Cool. So, we've got

JJ proves his role
NSG responds to parity guilty
Vizzy flip

Lynch

on the docket for today. Anyone see a reason we shouldn't have this dayphase wrapped up before Monday?
Shosh asked for an update on my reads.

Adelbert Steiner- conf via mastina, probably responsible for no kill last night
Firebringer- conf via mastina

Vecna- Probably responsible for the missing kill N2. Possibly responsible for the missing kill tonight. Probably town.
Creature- Probably town from the derpguilty on mastina.

jjh927- Not scum with NR. Want to see reactions today. Very doubtful imo that 3 of the members of the scumteam have 'I'm gonna fuck with the ability of town to vote' roles, so if his role is confirmed low priority sort.
Porkens- Not scum with NR. Interested to hear reasons he's town independent of that.
NSG- Not scum with NR.
Nicorobin- I dislike the surety of the flip preflip. Reads as TMI to me.

Jingle- Me.

That leaves a probable 2-5 scum in the following:

Shoshin- Not on the lynch table without 3 more scumflips.
The Meme Men
Nero Cain
Gamma Emerald
Aristophanes
Lady Angel
Whemestar

Gamma is the null line in the last group.
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Post Post #6691 (isolation #525) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:06 am

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In post 6688, THE MEME MEN wrote:Ah ok. Not sure why RC said there was no mod in error in it...I just copy and pasted it from his vc.
Because there wasn't in the first one today.

Then vizzy died, and there was one less vote in play. The last mod VC has the new number (and the deadline).
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Post Post #6694 (isolation #526) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:12 am

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You're not confirmed to be town. I think you're unlikely to be scum, but won't dismiss the chance you're fakeclaiming.

Shoshin mechanically can't be scum unless the scumteam has 6 players. Therefore, the suggestion (by Nero, I think) of removing her from the PoE pool until we've lynched 3 more scum has merit.It should also be 2-4 scum in that pile, not 2-5, but that's largely irrelevant because that pile is the fuck it and sort tomorrow group.
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Post Post #6695 (isolation #527) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:22 am

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Also, someone asked what FB is gonna give me tonight. I think that leaving what the action is hidden prevents RB and similar roles from knowing whether I should be targeted or not.
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Post Post #6700 (isolation #528) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:54 am

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Nero is a "my gut tells me he's town" read. Full disclosure, I'm pants at reading Nero. I have no idea how to read gamma. I have so far managed to determine he is not my mason buddy. LA is fairly scummy from a while back. Her whole approach to the Nico bit felt like she was just trying to stick to me/jj and fly under the radar, and when called out on it got super aggressive on the person we were talking to/about the most. Ari is in a similar but opposite place to Nero, in that I know I don't have a good track record of reading him, but my gut says he's scum.
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Post Post #6702 (isolation #529) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:59 am

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In post 6697, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 6695, Jingle wrote:Also, someone asked what FB is gonna give me tonight. I think that leaving what the action is hidden prevents RB and similar roles from knowing whether I should be targeted or not
Wouldn't the best use of his role be to give it to the other confirmed town slot and we find a replace in for it?
Eh. There's a value to keeping the investigate in the hands of someone Fire is sure is town but no one else is. I'm a potential mislynch, so I'm not going to get shot. If fire is 100% confident I'm town I'm the better choice than Adalbert replacement.

Also, that's assuming we can get a replacement for Adalbert, which with the way replacements have been going is not guaranteed.
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Post Post #6703 (isolation #530) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:03 am

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In post 6701, Nero Cain wrote:mafia needed those no lynches she was giving ya'll
What?

How would mafia be in a worse position in any way if mastina had never used her ability? AS and FB wouldn't be conftown. At best we would've lynched town. At worst we would've no lynched naturally. Mastina only ever derailed town lynches.

If I was on the scum team, the player whose role was derail town lynches in hopes of maybe faking a guilty, especially if said guilty could be reactively faked, would 100% be taking the investigation risks.
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Post Post #6708 (isolation #531) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:25 am

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There are explicitly at least 3 scum left.

There could theoretically be 5 scum left, but if so Shoshin is confscum.
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Post Post #6719 (isolation #532) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:33 am

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In post 6705, Nero Cain wrote:Also, I'm a bit surprised that you choose to cherry-pick this to argue about and not my doubts on Vecna.
I mean... The fact that mastina making the kill makes perfect sense to me IS the best argument for Vecna town in my mind. His claimed use of power is a very reasonable town use of power, and in doing so he provides the most reasonable explanation for the no kill. (I explicitly don't believe Vec got shot.)

I'm also currently operating under the assumption that NR flips scum (note, she's not in that list) and that Adalbert was 'killed' last night. I doubt he's fully unkillable. That's just an awkward role.
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Post Post #6720 (isolation #533) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:36 am

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In post 6716, northsidegal wrote:am i missing something or does saying "5 scum minus the two scum we have flipped equals three scum left" ignore the fact that there are still 2 "flex" slots that could also be scum?

The parsing error here is that "There are 3 scum" does not mean there can't be 4 or 5 scum. Nero's argument for not lynching Shos is that there ARE 3 scum that aren't Shos. Shos might be another scum, but we know that there are 3 that aren't her.
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Post Post #6723 (isolation #534) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:43 am

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The probable is acknowledgement that I could be wrong on my reasoning for putting someone in another pile.
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Post Post #6724 (isolation #535) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:44 am

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In post 6721, northsidegal wrote:also, shos is not shoshin
but...

3 more letters. Way too much work.

Also, I know shos, and I doubt anyone would make that mistake, so I figured the lack of shos in this game would make it clear.
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Post Post #6728 (isolation #536) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:57 am

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In post 6727, Vecna wrote:Correct me if im wrong, but why are we assuming the pinball machine was repaired N4? Wouldnt it make more sense it was repaired N3 so that it could actually be used by Meme N4?
I remembered that they had claimed not to have been repaired yet yesterday, but the post in question was the day before. I already realized I was being stupid.
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Post Post #6731 (isolation #537) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:06 am

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My logic is:

Mastina made the kill > AS being shot > JJ being Shot > PR RB being town > Me being shot > scum No Kill

I doubt we'll get anywhere arguing back and forth there though, so...

Still. I'd rather lynch NR and potentially resolve half of the things we're speculating about when it seems to me it's a foregone conclusion that that is going to happen today.
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Post Post #6734 (isolation #538) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:13 pm

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Me.
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Post Post #6735 (isolation #539) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:14 pm

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Wait, no, jj. Got confused by Police academy.
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Post Post #6741 (isolation #540) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:09 pm

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In post 6732, Nero Cain wrote:Isn't he doing the same thing here?
Also, yes. I have argued correct play. If your argument is that I would only do that as scum, I'm frankly baffled.
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Post Post #6767 (isolation #541) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:27 am

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@profii:

Spoiler: Gamestate
In post 6690, Jingle wrote:
In post 6185, Jingle wrote:Cool. So, we've got

JJ proves his role
NSG responds to parity guilty
Vizzy flip

Lynch

on the docket for today. Anyone see a reason we shouldn't have this dayphase wrapped up before Monday?
Shosh asked for an update on my reads.

Adelbert Steiner- conf via mastina, probably responsible for no kill last night
Firebringer- conf via mastina

Vecna- Probably responsible for the missing kill N2. Possibly responsible for the missing kill tonight. Probably town.
Creature- Probably town from the derpguilty on mastina.

jjh927- Not scum with NR. Want to see reactions today. Very doubtful imo that 3 of the members of the scumteam have 'I'm gonna fuck with the ability of town to vote' roles, so if his role is confirmed low priority sort.
Porkens- Not scum with NR. Interested to hear reasons he's town independent of that.
NSG- Not scum with NR.
Nicorobin- I dislike the surety of the flip preflip. Reads as TMI to me.

Jingle- Me.

That leaves a probable 2-5 scum in the following:

Shoshin- Not on the lynch table without 3 more scumflips.
The Meme Men
Nero Cain
Gamma Emerald
Aristophanes
Lady Angel- Potentially guiltied by Creature but not realclaiming /role name makes no sense
Whemestar

Gamma is the null line in the last group.

Spoiler: Scumteam composition (Numbers)
In post 6440, Jingle wrote:
In post 6437, Nero Cain wrote:I think she's very unlikely to be in the original 5 scum.
The OP changed when she entered. Originally it said there were 5 scum, 16 town and 1 player of indeterminate alignment.

It now says that there are 5 scum 16 town and 2 players of indeterminate alignment.

Thus, Shoshin would have to be a sixth scum player in order to be scum, and Shoshin would have to be scum in order for there to be 7 scum.

Either way, there are at least 3 scum remaining outside of Shoshin, so yes. She is pretty much off the table for the foreseeable future.

And I retracted the likely 3rd party bit as soon as she claimed, so...

Spoiler: Claims
In post 6418, Jingle wrote:Firebringer - Neighborizor who gives his neighbor the ability to track/watch/voyeur 1 shot each until all used.
Adelbert Steiner - Self Resurrector (No Flip).

Nicorobin - Triplevoter/Tracker, target's choice. (Target's choice is to tell her role, confirmed by mastina/me/Porkens)
Jingle- Yo, been doing the pizza thing. Didn't really hide it.
Vecna- Loud? Jailkeeper with a PR, reflexive fruit vendor (musical flavor IIRC)
Shoshin- Delayed entrance bg
Creature- Flavor Cop (Receives incomplete/useless results)
Meme Men- Pinball Machine Double-voting Autogladiate-winning Gated Parity Cop

Lady Angel -
'Basically VT'
Dreaming God
jjh927- Vote Freezer 1 Shot Deathproof

Invisibility (Cannot have acted last night, was absent for entire phase.)
Aristophanes (Claimed to have not acted last night for one of the reasons given in the PR Roleblocker pm)

Porkens (Refused to give role to NR N1)
Gamma Emerald
Nero Cain
Whemestar
Northsidegal


Abilities we know exist but cannot place:
Roleblocker who causes PRs about the roleblock lasting one day.
Babysitter who appears to be treating their role as a vig shot.

If NicoRobin is town, there is a redirector/busdriver role.

I actually forgot about Adalbert's for a while, but the rest of these are from memory. I may have forgotten somebody.
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Post Post #6768 (isolation #542) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:28 am

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Oh, also Mememen claimed to have recieved different alignment when targeting NR and NSG.
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Post Post #6773 (isolation #543) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:17 am

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I claimed pizza delivery man.

FB has the particulars in case I die somehow.
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Post Post #6793 (isolation #544) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:27 pm

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Dreaming God is both a PITA to balance and usually incredibly powerful/swingy.

They also tend to be global modifiers and things like that.

Stuff like: Everyone is loved for a dayphase. Everyone is hated for a dayphase. Nexus. Mass Redirection. Prevent all actions. Prevent all Nightkills. On occasion their dreams can be linked to specific other slots through flavor, although I think the only time I've seen that was in Alisae's Team Mafia setup. That's also the last time I saw a dreaming god setup, though I've probably read/been involved with 5? of them since joining ms.

Basically, super unlikely to be a fakeclaim, but not necessarily indicative past that. I'm kinda okay with backburnering LA based on unlikelihood of fakeclaim, though, because if she's town there's a potential for really useful Dreams.
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Post Post #6796 (isolation #545) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:34 pm

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I wouldn't, Creature.

I would just save it for tomorrow where massclaim is probably optimal anyway.
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Post Post #6797 (isolation #546) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:34 pm

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Save it for afterwards to prevent scum for fakeclaiming effectively. :)
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Post Post #6802 (isolation #547) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:46 pm

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In post 6798, Creature wrote:The problem is if my results keep getting 'tampered' like the one on Lady Angel.
If scum devotes effort to fucking with the flavor cop that doesn't get hard guilties ever over literally any other role, I'm okay with that. More to the point, having the person who you investigated claim before you is just good sense because I'm pretty sure no one doubts that you are both town and have the role you claim to have.
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Post Post #6807 (isolation #548) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:53 pm

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Rolecop is NR and Creature. Both of which are not quite.

Fruit vendor is you, me and chick, all of which are different variants.

There's also two loud roles, two post restrictions, etc.
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Post Post #6827 (isolation #549) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:36 pm

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In post 6822, Shoshin wrote:This feels like a very unfair characterization of my play so far. Can someone else weigh in on this? I need an outsider's view, please.
I think you think you're more obvtown than you are. Nero is naturally aggressive though, so don't take any of his wording too personally.

You're still probably town though.
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Post Post #6828 (isolation #550) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:39 pm

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Also, profii, the vast majority of the thread is worthless noise. I would focus on the things said immediately before and after both scum lynches and just skip mechanics walls entirely. (Most of the mechanics walls are me/jj.)
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Post Post #6829 (isolation #551) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:41 pm

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Also, my ISO has hurtcounts in it that you might prefer to use for VCA if that's your jam. They're a little buried, but the formatting was decent and they were more accurate than votecounts from the mod for a couple phases because of the way we decided to play the game.
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Post Post #6872 (isolation #552) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:14 pm

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In post 6860, Nero Cain wrote:The democratic/leash system was something her and maybe Jingle wanted to do.
FWIW, I disagreed with the let's get a wagon to hammer territory strategy, I just knew I was never going to win that fight with mastina.

The correct play would have been to fire a gladiate in her top scumread among the top three wagons as soon as the day started to stall.
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Post Post #6873 (isolation #553) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:18 pm

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In post 6864, Creature wrote:mastina actively refused to gladiate players like NicoRobin.
mastina actively refused to lynch anyone who didn't get put to L-1.

She would have gladiated NR when NR was gladiate hammered or we would have lynched her (her being mastina).

There was a lot of pushback to a NR gladiate (including from me).
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Post Post #6876 (isolation #554) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:23 pm

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In post 6869, profii wrote:What’s the argument for not speedlynching Nico then?
People haven't been voting her.

Basically, Nero/Shoshin/Vecna are trying to sort each other today when logic tells us they're all still going to be around tomorrow.

Also, you're also probably still going to be around tomorrow because your predecessor claimed some kill dodge-y mechanic and we have no reason to disbelieve that. Fire is also still probably going to be around tomorrow because we have hidden protective role(s) scum needs to hunt out still.

I'm of the opinion that we should end the day, let scum kill someone who they think is dangerous (I hope it's me!) and then try to figure out the other scum in the morning when we have more information and massclaim is probably optimal.
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Post Post #6877 (isolation #555) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:24 pm

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In post 6875, Nero Cain wrote:but you guys, wasn't it actually Jingle that was leading Nico and she refused to gladiate BOTH Jingle and Nico?
She refused to gladiate me when I asked while at Hurt-2, yeah. She said she wouldn't gladiate anyone until a hammer was cast.
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Post Post #6879 (isolation #556) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:29 pm

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In post 4716, mastina wrote:
In post 4699, Jingle wrote:You should probably just gladiate me, given ~48 hours til deadline and me being at L-1 Gladiate wise, mastina.
I'll do it if all the players on the wagon give confirmation they are on it (have they? I don't think so), and if it is hammered, but otherwise, deadline's no concern; my ability adds time to it, you'll recall.

I'd still prefer to use it on V given the choice.
This was the refusal, btw.
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Post Post #6880 (isolation #557) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:31 pm

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In post 6836, RadiantCowbells wrote:Because of the relative importance of said hurtcounts, I'm considering making a compilation post of them.

Lmk by pm or in game your thoughts on that.
I'd appreciate it for my own reference tomorrow if I'm still around, but honestly it's probably not relevant. I could just as easily multiquote them when/if I go to reference them myself.

If you do decide to do it though, I'll appreciate it.
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Post Post #6890 (isolation #558) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:28 pm

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In post 6882, profii wrote:You’re at L-1 but she refused... Nico? Eh?
I proposed multivoting and hurtcounts as a way to make the day faster.

Despite self voting, no one else would hammer the gladiate on me for some reason. She had been asked to gladiate both me and nico at that point in the day, and she wanted to wait to see if she could get Varsoon instead.

Varsoon was at L-2 or L-3 at that point iirc. Then Vecna unvoted me to put Nico, Varsoon and I at all the same level gladiate wise because he wanted a NR gladiate over a me gladiate. Varsoon went off and did his thing and died.

Meme was the loudest proponent of mastina hipshooting gladiates, but Nero was another big name there iirc. JJ threatened to use his role to prevent gladiation to try to force her to gladiate faster, but didn't, on the same day as Varsoon's death.

I think jj might have been the one to start the democratic process of the gladiate, but it happened before me and I'm not slogging through his 4000 posts again to find out. If not him, it was probably mastina.

Fire, Varsoon, Wheme, Ari and I think some other peeps just wanted to lynch mastina, and me and jj were the only real opposition to that before the Varsoon lynch iirc. Vecna was significant resistance to that afterwards.
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Post Post #6891 (isolation #559) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:30 pm

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In post 6885, Shoshin wrote:I'd prefer this day phase to last as long as possible.
:neutral:

I would be completely fine with Meme hammering right now. And I think they can, at the moment.
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Post Post #6892 (isolation #560) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:33 pm

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Relevant vote count, for reference.
In post 4678, Jingle wrote:Gladiate VoteCount 5:

Ineligible Players:

KuroiXHF:
Chickadee:
Mastina: , ,

Eligible Players

Jingle: L-1 (10) , , , , , , , , ,
Nicorobin: (9) , , , , , , , ,
Varsoon: (8) , , , , , , ,
Vecna: (5) , , , , ,
Northsidegal: (4) , , , ,
Aristophanes: (3) , ,
Firebringer: (3) , ,,
Lady Angel: (3) , , ,
jjh927: (3) , , ,
The MEME Men: (3) , , ,
Whemestar: (3) , ,
Porkens: (3) , , ,
Gamma Emerald: (2) , ,
Nero Cain: (2) , ,
Skygazer: (1) ,
Invisibility: (0)
Creature: (0)
Threshold reduction:
Threshold increase:

Players without a gladiate opinion at all: ,

With 20 alive, 11 is the proposed Gladiate Threshhold. If you want to reduce or increase the threshold, please indicate as such.

Please note, this includes information stolen from the recent votecounts and possibly from reads lists, assuming that all players you're claiming are scum you are also willing to see gladiated.
If you would like your name removed from a wagon, please indicate as such.


Additionally, I have begun the process of bolding the name on the wagon of their strongest scumread (Or what I percieve to be their strongest scumread). If you would like to have your name bolded on a particular wagon, please say so and I will oblige.

Links added and votes moved to be roughly chronological. Please let me know if anything needs to be changed/added/removed.
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Post Post #6894 (isolation #561) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:39 pm

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Pretty sure that's L-1.
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Post Post #6899 (isolation #562) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:46 pm

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In post 6642, RadiantCowbells wrote: Nicorobin (3):
jjh927, Northsidegal, Firebringer
Added to this: Vecna, me, Lady Angel, Ari, GE

8 on, 9 to lynch. It is indeed L-1.
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Post Post #6900 (isolation #563) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:49 pm

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I mean... If shoshin has a good reason to want to extend the day, sure. Otherwise, Leonard Nemoy sang it best: If I had a hammer, I'd hammer in the morning. I'd hammer in the evening. All over this land.
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Post Post #6901 (isolation #564) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:50 pm

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Spoiler:
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Post Post #6904 (isolation #565) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:59 pm

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Eh. Your wall of text about Ace was better. 2/5 stars.
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Post Post #6908 (isolation #566) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:04 pm

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Didn't creature push NSG today too?

I coulda sworn she blew up about people voting her over NR at some point.
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Post Post #6910 (isolation #567) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:09 pm

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No one N1, mastina N2, tried to send to jj N3 but was roleblocked, successfully sent to jj N4. Already picked my target and claimed it in the 'hood for N5.
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Post Post #6941 (isolation #568) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:03 pm

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16 alive, 2 scum flipped.
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Post Post #6942 (isolation #569) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:08 pm

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5) Mastina- Flipped Mafia Disloyal Gladiator
9) Varsoon- Flipped Mafia hidden voting role
11) Invisibility- Flipped Town Pinball Repairman
17) Wh4t- Flipped Town Desperado
16) Vaxkiller- Flipped Town 2-Night Delayer
7) Chickadee- Flipped unlimited day fruitvendor (youtube videos)
8) Skygazer- Conditional Nightskipper
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Post Post #6943 (isolation #570) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:10 pm

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In post 6924, northsidegal wrote:(although i think saying i "blew up" about it is inaccurate – maybe it was "blowing up" relative to my normal play, but i didn't think it was that extreme)
Yeah, I remembered it as more dramatic. It's weird that creature backed off so easy after such a light pushback, actually.
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Post Post #6945 (isolation #571) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:25 pm

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It could theoretically be 5v11 in the worst case scenario. Shoshin HAS to be mafia for that to be the case though.
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Post Post #6958 (isolation #572) » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:10 am

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In post 6951, Vecna wrote:So why werent you suspicious of me moving Varsoon to the top in hindsight, with the ability usage, seeing how both varsoon and Mastina ended up being scum? Why no suspicion that it was a planned move?
From my POV your switch represented a switch from me being the gladiation clear to Varsoon being the lynch. I'll take the latter over the former any day. I mean... it's possible that you did it entirely for towncred, but for now I'm satisfied that you're probably town. And I don't think that scenario was an entirely planned bit of theater. Varsoon comes across as incredibly frustrated with the gamestate, regardless of mastina's being mafia.
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Post Post #6962 (isolation #573) » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:30 am

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In post 6959, Creature wrote:We're having more useless days despite mastina dying
I'm not saying I told you so.

I'm specifically not saying that.

Because it's more fun when I don't say that.
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Post Post #6963 (isolation #574) » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:34 am

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In post 6961, THE MEME MEN wrote:nihilism?
I was roleblocked and given the post restriction that I could only refer to it as "I chose not to act because town couldn't win or I forgot or Nihilism or something similar." (Not exact wording, but you get the gist) until the day after. Presumably Ari had the same thing happen last night.

I mistakenly thought that Creature had claimed to be responsible at somepoint and when he outed results thought he was scumclaiming. He confirmed afterwards that he just identified with the post as an IRL nihilist.
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Post Post #6967 (isolation #575) » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:42 am

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In post 6950, Vecna wrote:That kill dodgy thing does kind of look weird on JJH though. Deathproof, resurrection or w/e it was that was claimed, JK, babysitter, bodyguard. It really shouldnt all be on the townteam
Eh. That's a post massclaim argument, but I can actually see town as needing all of that.

It is very unlikely Chickadee was killed by town.
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Post Post #6972 (isolation #576) » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:20 am

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In post 6969, Creature wrote:
In post 6967, Jingle wrote:It is very unlikely Chickadee was killed by town.
Wasn't Chickadee modkilled?
RC said she wasn't and it looks distinct from the Vizzy flip, supposedly.

Haven't actually compared them, because I'm being lame and lazy atm.
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Post Post #6978 (isolation #577) » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:00 pm

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In post 6977, profii wrote:VCs in the mods ISO
In RC's defense, there was no real point to VC's between when I replaced in and mastina died.
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Post Post #7131 (isolation #578) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:49 am

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In post 7125, Porkens wrote:I was NEVER asked who I targeted.
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Post Post #7132 (isolation #579) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:56 am

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I see 0 scenarios where nihilism blocker is town.

LA an JJ mechanically aren't Nihilism blocker.

Meme was targeted by multiple people last night.

Scum presumably know my role through NR, so there's no point in hiding it. I can't give pizza to someone who wasn't at home during the night. (Fails if target actively targeted someone.
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Post Post #7134 (isolation #580) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:03 am

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JJ recieved a pizza on the night Ari was blocked and I tracked LA nowhere.
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Post Post #7135 (isolation #581) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:05 am

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Porkens probtown for being N1 NR visit: Porkens votes bad votes.
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Post Post #7136 (isolation #582) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:07 am

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In post 7132, Jingle wrote:Meme was targeted by multiple people last night.
1 of these people is almost certainly scum, so if you all could claim your actions toward him that'd be swell.
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Post Post #7141 (isolation #583) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:22 am

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profii- conf via mastina, probably responsible for no kill last night

Vecna- Probably responsible for the missing kill N2. Possibly responsible for the missing kill tonight. Probably town.
Creature- Probably town from the derpguilty on mastina.

jjh927- Not scum with NR. Want to see reactions today. Very doubtful imo that 3 of the members of the scumteam have 'I'm gonna fuck with the ability of town to vote' roles, so if his role is confirmed low priority sort. Not Roleblocker unless Ari scum.
Porkens- Not scum with NR mechanically.
NSG- Not scum with NR mechanically.

Jingle- Me.

That leaves a probable 2-5 scum in the following:

Shoshin- Not on the lynch table without 1 more scumflip.
The Meme Men- Almost certainly town.
Nero Cain - ?
Gamma Emerald - ?
Aristophanes - ?
Lady Angel - Not Roleblocker unless Ari Scum.

Gamma is the null line in the last group.[/quote]
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Post Post #7142 (isolation #584) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:22 am

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Ari could've been lying and holstering the shot.
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Post Post #7144 (isolation #585) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:23 am

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In post 7141, Jingle wrote:Porkens- Not scum with NR mechanically.
Well, technically not mechanically, but that tinfoil hat is unflattering.
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Post Post #7146 (isolation #586) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:24 am

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Why not Gamma?
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Post Post #7151 (isolation #587) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:30 am

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In post 7147, Creature wrote:
In post 7141, Jingle wrote:Porkens- Not scum with NR mechanically.
What is the mechanical?
Again, not really mechanical, but NR provably targeted Porkens N1 and mastina N2. I doubt very much that the scum team doesn't use their rolecop for the first two nights.
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Post Post #7152 (isolation #588) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:32 am

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Didn't edit that part. Stole the list from a post a while back.
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Post Post #7154 (isolation #589) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:33 am

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Technically, you could have additional pieces. I don't think you do, but you could.
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Post Post #7160 (isolation #590) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:36 am

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In post 7155, Nero Cain wrote:you do realize that Nico didn't actually target Mastina right?
Yeah, but she also didn't target anyone else. Hence, not using her role for the first two nights is unlikely > Porkens town.
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Post Post #7164 (isolation #591) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:40 am

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Provably could triple vote Porkens D2. Mastina claimed role demand/wasn't cc'd D3.
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Post Post #7165 (isolation #592) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:41 am

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In post 2178, RadiantCowbells wrote:Porkens (5): Nicorobin, Titus, Vecna
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Post Post #7167 (isolation #593) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:41 am

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Also, NR's name was red there.
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Post Post #7171 (isolation #594) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:42 am

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I, uh, hadn't claimed at all at that point. I had softed Doc, which I think mastina picked up on.
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Post Post #7175 (isolation #595) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:48 am

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I explicitly got "Went nowhere" from LA the night before last. Ari, claimed to be nihilblocked yesterday. LA can't be Nihilblocker unless Ari is her scumbuddy.

It's why I backed down there in the first place.

I'm kinda just all for the massclaim here though.
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Post Post #7177 (isolation #596) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:50 am

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I don't see why she'd lie about it, tbh. I was a perfectly reasonable rolecop for her.
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Post Post #7178 (isolation #597) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:52 am

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Ari->Gamma->Nero Claim = gamesolve?

Especially since I still have pending results?
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Post Post #7179 (isolation #598) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:54 am

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I'm 3 and 2 Creature.
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Post Post #7185 (isolation #599) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:09 am

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Flavor and role. It's Papa John's Pizza.
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