A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

[Aristophanes]

ARI CREATURE HI

Hey hey!
Do I need to read 110 pages or is there a quick tl;dr for me?

Great to see you Aristophanes and Creature!

Here's one of the several recent quick summaries of existing claims to get started:

Mastina claims loyal town gladiator
Vecna had an optional post restriction D1 he played out for role related benefits.
Skygazer is/was ascetic
I'm a video vendor. I can vend any time.
Firebringer can give guns????

I can't remember at the moment what else we've covered claim wise.

Ari, I know you know the real identity of both heads of our hydra, so I appreciate you keeping that on the D/L even though you probably replaced into a scum slot

-RH

Hey man, regardless of alignment I would never purposely out alts/hydrae

What makes you think me scum already lol? I just got here!

[Aristophanes]

Cause you're in Randomidget's slot, and he was lurker scum

You are welcome to prove me wrong by

bussing your buddies

finding scum!

-RH

On it, captain!

[Aristophanes]

Ohey deedles is here! =D

Good luck with the i ternet shtuff!

[Aristophanes]

Note for Mastina-

Please remember that in the event of a 'guilty', ie, your gladiate failing, no time would be added to the deadline.

Mastina claims loyal town gladiator

whose gladiate can be no lynched

Bolded mine.

Are we really believing mastina got a loyal gladiate?

That essentially makes her a public daycop, no? If the target can be NL'd then we get free townreads in exchage for lynching, which is, I suppose, the balance tradeoff. Still hard to believe though.

[Aristophanes]

That essentially makes her a public daycop, no? If the target can be NL'd then we get free townreads in exchage for lynching, which is, I suppose, the balance tradeoff. Still hard to believe though.

Yes. It is pretty much a public daycop. And you don't ever lynch a fucking public daycop on D2.

Mastina is not a clear and present threat to the town. By ANY stretch of the imagination.

I never said that was means for a lynch

Just because its an unlikely role doesn't mean it should be lynched. If she is what she says she is this is a huge advantage to us!

[Aristophanes]

Ooo we have a gladiate!

This means Chicka is conftown right?
VOTE: NL

[Aristophanes]

Ooo we have a guilty! Though having a rolecop and a provably disloyal role is weird especially with mastina providing the town undisputed clears.

Should we not have mastina provide one more clear via gladiate then lynch her? That seens the best course of action!

[Aristophanes]

Ooo we have a guilty! Though having a rolecop and a provably disloyal role is weird especially with mastina providing the town undisputed clears.

Should we not have mastina provide one more clear via gladiate then lynch her? That seens the best course of action!

Why would mastina cooperate though

Right...didn't think of that tbh. I guess we just lynch her then. Not voting until everyone has checked in in case anyone has info we need

[Aristophanes]

So why don't we make Mastina gladiate Nico

^^^^^^^

Mastina Please! XD XD


God I hope you're right jjh! This is hilarious!

[Aristophanes]

Wait, you're a Triplevoter Nico?

That seems a tad OP for scum, no?
Also, can you prove it to us or is it limited shot?

[Aristophanes]

if we decide we're lynching between mastina and nico, mastina def needs to do the gladiate

if the gladiate goes through nico is town
if it doesnt go through mastina is town

This is what I'm saying!

[Aristophanes]

So many more pages!

I have a game to set up and school readings, but I'll see what I can get through tonight

[Aristophanes]

I have no motivation to read 132-146

Should I just replace out idk

Wheme no!
Why replace? Just get into it when you can find some motivation

[Aristophanes]

Here's all you need to know wheme

Can I use this too? :O
You may have saved me hours of reading

[Aristophanes]

Okay, reading 3706 now!

On 3624: Has it been the 48 hours yet? Have they given a reason for faking said guilty? Feels off, but it is Nico we're talking about here so possibly NAI...

On 3627: Nothing to say actually, just waiting...yay!

On 3633: Well this is handy!
Honestly none of the claims seem scummy to me, so we'll have to go by play I suppose. Uggh, that means more reading...

On the Nico Posts: Uhh, what do they mean that you messed with their results?? That seems to come out of nowhere. Imma look back for context.

Thanks Chicka! <3

[Aristophanes]

Nico thinks that both me and jj are scum protecting mastina because persecution complex exacerbated by jj's deathtunnel and an inherently flawed interpretation of my posting today. It's been about 36 hours since the day started. Nico claimed that the fakeguilty was for reactions, and that me and jj failed.

Aaaaaaaah

Man, Nico never does well when pressured. Don't know if they would try a fakeguilty like this as scum though. Like, I think framing you and jjh as scum for reacting is lol, but the intended angle seems genuine in theory.
I got distracted and didn't read back, and I probably can't now until...tomorrow maybe? Maybe Thursday? Who knows, my weeks are busy
I want to read this though because though it seems unlikely as scum in theory, in practice it may be a lot more dubious.

[Aristophanes]

Meh, maybe if they tried to verify my music claim, but it still sounds pretty far-fetched

Would your music even send if you were roleblobked??

[Aristophanes]

Catching up on the last ~10 pages before bed

But yeah, Vecna. Honestly, I'm convinced I was the NK because I was going into night actually expecting a no-kill because of the combination of how hard I'd baited NR, how much I scumread her, and the kind of person she is

I mean, its possible the NK was blocked in some other way, but perhaps you're on to skmething. If you think you were shot NR does seem loke a decent thought given your history together.

@JJH: Is it possible any other configuration of scum in this setup would've noticed that and tried to kill you in order to implicate Nico?

No, because they wouldn't have known I was deathproof and if they wanted to implicate NicoRobin, the best way to do that is to leave the guy deathtunneling her alive

Yes and no. If you want to implicate someone then getting rid of the person who scumread them hardest is a great idea! It's almost a textbook move. However I don't see anyone trying to frame Nico. You have seen their play, right? I mean, they aren't likely to make it to endgame in any game, so that's a waste of an action unless you're also a threat to the scumteam. In that case it's worth it as a 2 for 1!

Who else were you ruffling D1?

[Aristophanes]

I picked myself.

This might be my favourite thing yet <3

[Aristophanes]

So Nico is lying, and Porkens can back me up here.

I was told, "Nico is demanding your role; you have 48 hours to comply, or she becomes a triple voter for you."

She CAN'T have a result yet. I've allowed it, so she will get one, but she doesn't have one RIGHT NOW.

I'm not voting her though, because I am 100% positive she's just town fakeclaiming. This is PRECISELY the kind of stunt she'd pull.

Also, pizza is delicious.

I am so confused. Why did she get a no result if you got a notification??

I don't think she is very towny, but a triplevoter really seems OP for scum, no?

[Aristophanes]

Jailkeep only roleblocks.

Factually Incorrect.

Jailkeep prevents all actions taken by or targeting the target.

Mastina specifically wasn't Jailkept.

Also, pizza is delicious.

Don't tell me I'm wrong when I'm right

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jailkeeper

You are talking about a variant of a different name I didn't know about though

Weird, Alien used to be standard JK.

Yeah, when the hell did this change!?
I always thought it was!

[Aristophanes]

Sigh. My death will not be instructive.

This one at most

This one at most

Change your vote or I'll explain your role to everyone.

it does look like he is freaking out, admit it.

Can you two stop bickering and play? This exchange, among many others, is useless fluff that's cluttering the thread!

I don't think his answers are gonna be any different from mine, else absent entirely.

Not good enough, Mr. Know-it-all

Considering the sting I get for answering for someone else, you are not gonna get away with it either.

VOTE: jjh

You're...voting the claimed Deathproof?

*slow clap*

It's jjh/Jingle/Porkens/mastina scumteam.

Didn't you notice how whenever I try to pressure Porkens and/or mastina, jjh is always there to defend them in some way?

I wonder why that is?

here's an idea, have mastina target one of them then! Either she fails and confirms them scum or it initiates and we blow your theory! Jingle doesn't seem scummy, jjh uh...might have been shot, mastina is providing clears, and well, okay maybe Porkens. I forgot he was here tbh.

[Aristophanes]

It's jjh/Jingle/Porkens/mastina scumteam.

Didn't you notice how whenever I try to pressure Porkens and/or mastina, jjh is always there to defend them in some way?

I wonder why that is?

OH YEAH WATCH THIS!?!

VOTE: jja

Ooo so convincing! Especually if you don't unvo-

what? what? VOTE: unvote

sgoin on?

oh.
K so what made you unvote here out of curiosity?

I picture Romes Oracles yelling at Caesar here and it pleases me XD

oh...

yikes, no. it demanded to know my role, not who I visited.

...
Nici are you confused again!?!?
WTF!

[Aristophanes]

This is a personal hell of mine
Why are we letting this game be held hostage by

two

one player

s

?

<3
It'll be okay. One of them will die sooner or later!

Noone else is making us content to engage with Varsoon. Theyre all just like, absent.

Get us something else to discuss in the meanwhile, and Ill gladly discuss it.

You actually think Porkens is town here? Regardless of the stuff that happened around NR?

Vecna, every time I open this I just see a sea of NR and JJH arguing and it's really demotivating. So I apologize!

One thing that strikes me us that it's almost 100% the two of them and nobody else. This implies its tvt to me, as scum are probably happy to sut back and watch instead of meddling. It's what I do as scum! Qatch a tvt arguement destroy the thread's motivation and let the town chain a couple lynches!
I would definitely look at the quieter slits for scum atm. The major players will sort themselves in time.

[Aristophanes]

I glazed over the last couple pages. I'll try to keep up as we progress.

Also, Hey FB! When did you get here??

[Aristophanes]

who did ari replace again

I don't even remember. Midget?

I also thought randomness was disallowed in some way but I guess not?

DAYVIG: ARI

I like your chutzpah, kid!

[Aristophanes]

Ya with a display like this I don't think so tbh

[Aristophanes]

ari was the last liquid you drank water or not water
this is very important

I just had a glass of

orange juice and cheap boxed wine with frozen berries as ice cubes

sangria!

So, yeah. Not water.

[Aristophanes]

i told rc about it on discord so he'll probs process it soonish

dont really care about reactions i just want a flip and i wanted to have fun doing it

Literally baiting reactions

[Aristophanes]

nice beetlejuice tho

Thanks!

I was rather impressed myself

[Aristophanes]

clearly ari is a bulletproof

...

Shit, you got me!

Why do you think I wasn't worried! XD

[Aristophanes]

He locked it for Nico too though and she defo isn't a dayvig

What is she's a rolecop tracker triplevoter dayvig bulletproof strongman?? Seems as legit as whatever this claim she's been trying out is!

[Aristophanes]

I still want to lynch NicoRobin though

Can someone give me a more solid meta rundown of NSG

From my understanding, and a few if NSG's early games, she Obvtowns hard when town. I haven't read her much this game tbh

[Aristophanes]

can anyone tell me if its safe to microwave a jar of pasta sauce

its urgent

I recommend strongly that you do not in case the glass is not microwave safe :S :S

[Aristophanes]

[Aristophanes]

the bad news is i missed your advice i was too busy microwaving the jar

the good news is that nothing caught on fire

This could have been you!

[Aristophanes]

Real live footage of Stargazer IRL

[Aristophanes]

GDI This is the second time I've called you this!

Can you please, like, make an alt or something?
Or can we hydra under that name or something!?

Gah!

[Aristophanes]

the bad news is i missed your advice i was too busy microwaving the jar

the good news is that nothing caught on fire

This could have been you!

What was he microwaving
That is excessively violent

Eggs apparently, still shelled!

I actually blew up a potato the other day because I forgot to poke it XD

[Aristophanes]

Sometimes what we really need is a villain

The whole site needs a villain!

I miss Shotty

[Aristophanes]

You gonna get involved in the game or just be all "haha this is a thing EMOJI"

Oh no I am.

I was thinking of Isoing NSG so I can contribute to the meta discussion and see if they are in fact scummy or just off this game.

[Aristophanes]

Also they're due for a prod

[Aristophanes]

Well you have under 48 hours

Is deadline that close!?

Damn!

[Aristophanes]

Cool!

I must have missed that XD
Why use it today?
Also does it then lynch the leading wagon or what?

[Aristophanes]

People who are not voting will not be frozen

However, it does prevent the use of roles such as gladiator regardless

Cool shit!

[Aristophanes]

The most blatant scumclaims require the most blatant votes.

Jingle, what makes this claim scum? I don't follow.

[Aristophanes]

He thinks I'd be scumclaiming by using my ability

Of course, I disagree

I gathered that he does and of course you do XD

I'm morecurious about the why, because this seems like a pretty decent ability for either faction, but scum abilities are usually far less visual than something like this!

[Aristophanes]

I'm morecurious about the why, because this seems like a pretty decent ability for either faction, but scum abilities are usually far less visual than something like this!

There is literally 0 utility in his role from town. The correct play is to never ever use it.

There is crazy high scum utility in his role. Like: exactly what he's doing right now.

I mean, it looks like he just wants the game to progress, and it also looks like mastina is grinding the days way too long before gladiating. Our choices then are to wait for her or to lynch before she uses it, neither of which appear that helpful. If jjh wants to make things happen I am somewhat okay with this!

Like, what is the scum motivation and utility here? He announced his intent to use it so anyone who wants to remove a vote can. It seems well intentioned and possibly very helpful to me tbqh

[Aristophanes]

Like Jingle, this is a seemingly huge overreation.

[Aristophanes]

But yeah I say let Jingle react how he likes because it's reasonable to question me playing in a way that is mechanically suboptimal

I mean...aren't mastina and Jingle playing the suboptimal game here? Nero is right!

[Aristophanes]

hi im drunk

Hi drunk, I'm dad!

[Aristophanes]

Like Jingle, this is a seemingly huge overreation.

If jj ever uses his ability, his will be the only lynch I support on that day. No exceptions.

If you'd like to change my mind, give me a single scenario in which it is protown to have a portion of the playerlist unable to change their votes.

When scum are he major wagons?

JJ, does it freeze future votes too or are they still moveable after they vote?

[Aristophanes]

People who are voting at the time of the freeze are the only ones affected. In fact, if everyone unvotes just before I do it, then you'd all be unaffected. The only effect would be the prevention of abilities such as gladiates.

Right okay, exactly what I figured. How the hell is this antitown, especially if announced!?

Like, jjh is quite towny for suggesting its usage here

[Aristophanes]

Compared to, we have 5 three vote wagons, he za waraji's and it becomes literally impossible to lynch. Compared to we run someone up and they claim a protown role, and JJ can paralyse. We no longer have a chance to lynch anyone else.

This is only scum utility if unannounced! They gave full intention to use it and are letting us unvote so this doesn't happen!

Neither of these are possible unless they didn't announce it, and there is no reason to use it this early, assuming its limited shot, for scum! It would be far more useful in lategame for the things you just mentioned to cripple the town. I fully support getting it out of the way now!

[Aristophanes]

jjh is town jingle is town nero is town

ari, u town?

I'm definitely town. Are you town?

If we're all town then who isn't??

jjh vs jingle could be tvt with differing theories I guess.

[Aristophanes]

^^^ literally so this!

Thank you for articulating my thoughts properly, Gamma

[Aristophanes]

ari who are you scumreading

Honestly I've been a little distant this game. But I feel like there has to be scum in the nico/mastina pairing and I think NSG has been disappointing in their play thus far, which may be indicative of scum.

Otherwise it's really hard to say. I mean, I just took a look at the OP to see who is here and like, Porkens, Ginngie, Wheme, Nos, and Kuroi are actually in this game?? Where have they been!?!?

[Aristophanes]

Like I don't want to advocate lurker lynches but the active players seem towny and there are so many question marks I don't even know what to think

[Aristophanes]

the op isn't updated b/c our two mods are lazier than the playerlist.

I don't know if it's the mods' fault

Hi Porkens!
Anything to say about the usage of jjh's thingy or mastina/nico shenanigns?

[Aristophanes]

Okay I like your posts here and the lack of follow up after an IC retraction seems dubious at best but wtf is that reads list??
Seriously, you just said NR and Mastina should be a 1v1 and yet they are both town. Kuroi is top town because?? and I am apparently paired with Vecna, NSG, and jjh which is just too good XD

Anyway, I thin kjjh definitely should have more to them with almost 600 posts but I am never going to read that so I'll take your word for it.

jjh may see mastina's gladiate as mechanically optimal, as it is according to claim, but only if it is used. mastina not using it means it is useless so why are we waiting and betting the game on it?

[Aristophanes]

Also, mastina and NR MIGHT be a mechanical 1v1. I'm townreading both of them independently. I'd like to know if they are a mechanical 1v1 because then I know I'm wrong, but I need to have Nico ask a question I've quoted like 5 times or have her flip so I can ask it publically to find out.

Good luck with that. She's great! But following directions, especially when asked directly, seems not to be her strong suit

associatives not considered

Noted. I forgot about that.

I think that specifically Vecna and JJ can't be scum together. But the strength of the reads is roughly in order.

Convince me I'm wrong on jj or that someone else is more likely to be scum. Or vote with me.

Sitting back isn't helpful.

I mean, I've told you why this is towny of jjh so yeah...

[Aristophanes]

I mean, I've told you why this is towny of jjh so yeah...

And I've told you why it isn't.

Sure, it might appear towny on the surface. But both possible outcomes are proscum.

Announcing you're going to do a proscum thing doesn't make it not scummy. It just means you can say "I warned you" when people go to lynch you afterwards. Which is scummy.

Or it can give you a chance to use a cool role without imploding the game?

Like I say, scum don't use this role here. They wait until like D7 and drop a bomb for victory points!

[Aristophanes]

like I'm a pretty firm believer in Mastina should be doing more than relying on the town to do shit for her.

This feels like town apathy from mastina tbh. She's a scum mastermind and this just seems like she doesn't care enough to put in effort since the role does it for her!

Like, my first time seeing her in a towngame I was thoroughly underwhelmed and I get the same feeling form her here.

[Aristophanes]

like I'm a pretty firm believer in Mastina should be doing more than relying on the town to do shit for her.

This feels like town apathy from mastina tbh. She's a scum mastermind and this just seems like she doesn't care enough to put in effort since the role does it for her!

Like, my first time seeing her in a towngame I was thoroughly underwhelmed and I get the same feeling form her here.

idk, she was pretty obvious in Team Mafia and the only reason she wasn't instalynched was because of RC whiteknighting her, but she eventually got lynched D1.

As scum?
I didn't read and of the games

but my own

in Team Mafia tbh...

[Aristophanes]

like I'm a pretty firm believer in Mastina should be doing more than relying on the town to do shit for her.

This feels like town apathy from mastina tbh. She's a scum mastermind and this just seems like she doesn't care enough to put in effort since the role does it for her!

Like, my first time seeing her in a towngame I was thoroughly underwhelmed and I get the same feeling form her here.

idk, she was pretty obvious in Team Mafia and the only reason she wasn't instalynched was because of RC whiteknighting her, but she eventually got lynched D1.

As scum?
I didn't read and of the games

but my own

in Team Mafia tbh...

Yes as scum

RC was scum there too

Okay, I don't get your point then...
Do you think she is obvscumming this game? I think this is very much her town meta considering how I expect her to react to her role especially.

[Aristophanes]

Did I miss something where Creature cased Varsoon??

Porkens what are your other reads?

[Aristophanes]

Did I miss something where Creature cased Varsoon??

I tend to be right

What a compelling case...

[Aristophanes]

I might give an extension on my countdown to ZA WARUDO, which is currently at(expired on 2018-10-29 00:00:00), because I feel like we could all really use a votecount right now

Backing out so easily? XD

[Aristophanes]

Okay, I actually sheeped mastina on Varsoon

Lol that's almost more compelling!

Is he a Gladiate possibility? Getting him cleared now would be great later on...or get him killed but w/e

[Aristophanes]

Varsoon has ability of what?

Geez, even I know this one

[Aristophanes]

It's interesting that at least 2 roles are specifically designed to negate the effects of the gladiate...

Not sure what it means but it should be noted.

[Aristophanes]

Mmm, theoreticals in a uPick are hard!

I am kinda curious is like a double/triple voter (which like, wtf who gives a triple voter!? but I digress...) works in a locked/night vote scenario. Do they get to move the extra votes if you use your ability? Does it still DV/TV in the thing Varsoon does?

I must say the day actions impress me, so good work RC. So many uPicks are night only fun!
This is confusing AF tho!

[Aristophanes]

She's a scum mastermind

not really.

Like, my first time seeing her in a towngame I was thoroughly underwhelmed and I get the same feeling form her here.

you think a scum "mastermind" couldn't fool you? I'm getting the same star wars vibe-she was scum that game.

I died real early that game and didn't follow thereafter

I absolutely think a scum mastermind could fool me, but this doesn't feel like she's engaged enough to even try to! For the record, Anti's Inorganic Chenistry is my shining scum!stina memory, and a game soon thereafter is what I base my town meta on. I know it's a while ago and it has evolved since, but the two have given me a strong basis for sorting her in most games.

[Aristophanes]

Hey JJH!

If you think there is slam dunk scum in Varsoon and mastina you should 100% freeze votes now because they are the only viable wagons i believe!

It would take our options solely into your own reads but it is an interesting thought!

[Aristophanes]

Can we not talk about not mafia games things. This thread is clogged enough as is.

Yeah, he's now even in this game! XD

[Aristophanes]

I might give an extension on my countdown to ZA WARUDO, which is currently at(expired on 2018-10-29 00:00:00), because I feel like we could all really use a votecount right now

Backing out so easily? XD

Hey JJH!

If you think there is slam dunk scum in Varsoon and mastina you should 100% freeze votes now because they are the only viable wagons i believe!

It would take our options solely into your own reads but it is an interesting thought!

Ari scum?

I'm just saying, they are both in your scumreads, no?
Why would you not jump on that opportunity?

[Aristophanes]

Oh. Obviously I suck at this then
Who do I have you confused with!?

[Aristophanes]

But even if they were it would be anti-town af

I'd rather minimise the damage from the freeze itself while freezing for the sake of preventing the gladiate so people know I mean business

How would it be antitown if you were fairly confident in those reads?

Also, this game is stalled because of the gladiate and the promise of this freeze now. I'm just getting bored of waiting. It fees like there's nothing to do since the game will sort itself out anyway.

[Aristophanes]

Meta is a good tool to help support a read but never good as a basis!

Thus ends Ari's Meta Ted Talk.

[Aristophanes]

Ooo I like this!

HURT: Nico
HURT: Vecna
HURT: Jingle

[Aristophanes]

I, for one, have no problem with RC's modding here. The game is active and he's doing what he has to do.

[Aristophanes]

Uggh I forget most of my reads from this game
Why am I still here?

[Aristophanes]

Look, Gamma, I am legit drunk in a Lyft home. I will admit that I didn't read the entire game but like the player list is full of decent people if I recall correctly from before my main dropped off the face of the Earth and she was popular day whatever today is minus 1 so she seems like a good choice.

Cheers mate!
Who was your main before?

mastina needs moar votes. she hungers for them

I'm fine with either lynching or ignoring mastina. No Longer will we be held down by her tyrannical rule! XD

[Aristophanes]

Look, Gamma, I am legit drunk in a Lyft home. I will admit that I didn't read the entire game but like the player list is full of decent people if I recall correctly from before my main dropped off the face of the Earth and she was popular day whatever today is minus 1 so she seems like a good choice.

Cheers mate!
Who was your main before?

I'm hesitant to say because people expect too much of me, but I will say I really messed up on talking on discord too and I owe an apology to people who picked up my slack because of my sudden disappearance

Not to worry, I won't pry anymore about it!

If we played together before I'm sure it was a pleasant experience!

[Aristophanes]

Have you read any of the game?

I believe you're a pseudo-conf-town so you may as well townspew

[Aristophanes]

I'm fine with either lynching or ignoring mastina. No Longer will we be held down by her tyrannical rule! XD

lol aristo r u scum?
I am cool with it if u are.

just join me on the wagon and i will townread u regardless

I'm not, luckily!
I couldn't imagine being V/LA

and

scum!

Good enough for me though!
VOTE: Mastina

[Aristophanes]

I was on Mastina

Also, Jingle, minus the pseudo-conf-towns I could almost literally flip your list and be okay with it.

[Aristophanes]

mastina needs moar votes. she hungers for them

I'm fine with either lynching or ignoring mastina. No Longer will we be held down by her tyrannical rule! XD

Yes and the person who broke that "tyrannical" rule was...

...Which alignment?

Oh right.

Maybe because when I said that the people whining contained scum.

I was fucking right about the people whining containing scum.

So you're saying this confs you despite the fact that you are holding the game hostage?
I've seen your scumgame and I know how methodical you are! Why should I not believe you are trying to pull some sort of ScumStina wool over my eyes?

Seems like a plan to me!
VOTE: Firebringer.

gladiate him when you are ready mastina
-rh

Remember how the person who was most complaining about me refusing to make such a hasty decision flipped scum?
I sure as fuck do.

I wait.

Just like I have been doing.

That is the strategy which has proven itself to work, and the people complaining about it contain scum, so.

Everyone was complaining about this!

[Aristophanes]

I was on Mastina

Also, Jingle, minus the pseudo-conf-towns I could almost literally flip your list and be okay with it.

You realize that's actually just the list of players with myself and the pseudoconftown separated out for my own reference, right?

Not at all XD

However, with the caveats of moving FB and Gamma up a bit while moving Porkens down some since I forget they are here most of the time, it's pretty accurate if flipped!

[Aristophanes]

How do you forget me/FB are here

I didn't? lol

I'm saying the list, if flipped, is pretty accurate to my own reads, but that you and he are townier than that reversal would show...

[Aristophanes]

I may or may not be able to post here by wednesday...I mean I shouldn't even be in any games arm but here we are!

I'll try to read along though! This vote claiming stuff is at least a little interesting I am excited for the end product!

[Aristophanes]

@Meme/Ari: Why did you vote Varsoon instead of mastina? Why are you voting mastina now?

??
I think you misread?

I voted mastina because of the scum possibility and the fact that she has to be sorted to get this game moving again! I am voting her now because it's the best I've got atm. If we ignore the fact that mastina is here I am at a loss for many reads tbh.

Also I am at the point in the year where I am unlikely to be able to be productive in this game, so I'll probably either find a townread and sheep them or find a scumread and votepark them. Right now it is a simple votepark on mastina for 2 reasons. Sheeping FB and voting to simplify game mechanics. Like, if she were town, would she still be alive with the ability to clear people publicly!? I'm doubtful.

[Aristophanes]

I aprreciate u sheeping me ari.

I appreciate the opportunity XD

[Aristophanes]

Is Meme Men literally on every hurt wagon!?
Wtf is that shit?

[Aristophanes]

Click the link, Ari. I link to the post that I pull info from for transparency.

Fantastic!

Their post is literally so towny frustration it's almost illegal XD

And your linking this and keeping track reeks of town motivation too! This helped a lot, thanks Jingle

[Aristophanes]

?

[Aristophanes]

Meh, I've relegated myself to skipping swathes of this game in order to actually post. I have neither the time nor motivation for it!
So atm I'll take what I can get in forming reads

[Aristophanes]

Who all is replacing out?

[Aristophanes]

It may seem bad form but I can adhere to lynching the dead slots to keep the game going. I myself would have replaced out long ago if not for the difficulties in finding replacements.

I do better once the playerlist is culled anyway, and we're probably sitting alright with like, what, 2 scum dead already?

I wouldn't be remiss if the game were called, but that's selfish. We have a good chance of bagging this game, especially with what seems like another slam dunk scum lynch on the way! But only if the game continues!

I was sheeping FB, so, VOTE: Invisi

[Aristophanes]

Why does sheeting them mean you won’t vote to kill them off
What did fire do that was soooooo towny?

I'll vote them too is needed, but I townread the slot, whereas I have no read on Invisi. It only makes sense to vote the one first!

It's nothing they've done specifically, but a general playstyle read!

[Aristophanes]

V/LA again for a couple weeks.

I literally can't right now.

I'll pop in when I can, but that won't be often.

[Aristophanes]

Beats me.

Are we lynching mastina this time or ???

[Aristophanes]

Fantastic!

VOTE: mastina

[Aristophanes]

Oh right this is a thing still!

I didn't do anything last night because what's the point?

Also I assume mastina's gladiate would succeed on a 3P as they are not "mafia aligned." Just a hunch tho.

[Aristophanes]

Lemme check the playerlist. I'm so distant from this game

[Aristophanes]

Please do. We've lynched two scum. Now is the time for MAXIMUM MOTIVATION

-rh

More like maximum essay writing!

But I'll see if I can do better this phase.

[Aristophanes]

Not Voting: Sora, Northsidegal, Aristophanes, Nicorobin, Lady Angel, Whemestar, Adelbert Steiner, Invisibility???, jjh927, Gamma Emerald, Jingle, Porkens, Nero Cain, Firebringer, Shiro, Creature, Vecna, Shoshin

K so...
I don't even think I've interacted with most of the playerlist tbh :S

Scum: Jingle, uhh...don't remember forming reads on anyone else there.
Town: who have we conftowned via mastina? Because them.
Town probably: Nico unless that whole thing with mastina was a distance-bust that went horribly wrong XD
Who TF is this!?!?: Sora, Adelbert Steiner, Shoshin, Lady Angel
Wait, youre in this game??: Whemestar, Porkens, Shiro (Hi Shiro!!!)
PPL I should have reads on: NSG (scum if they haven't obvtowned), Invisi (replacing tho), jjh (*shrugs*), Gamma Emerald and Creature (borderline forgot were here), Nero and Vecna (towny I guess), and Firebringer (just wants the game to die).

JJH, I had a question for ya!
I remember you sayi g something about voting Varsoon in the kerfuffle so idiots like me wouldn't pull a mastina lynch out if it. Why did you townread them other than role? It kinda looks bad in hindsight, like you protected one scummate by sacrificing another.

This is everything I have.

[Aristophanes]

NSG (scum if they haven't obvtowned),

i don't personally feel like this criteria applies to large theme games for me, but that's just me.

Noted. I think I only have smaller game experience with you. Still null tho

[Aristophanes]

How do you forget I’m here, I’ve been rather constant this game iirc, which isn’t something I can say for too many of my games nowadays

I mean, that's probably on me not you. I guess what I mean is your posts haven't popped at me sk while I know you're here, nothing has given me a read of you that I can remember.

(Should I explain again what Shiro and Sora are?

meh, when he has time to catch up he'll figure it out probably

-rh talking to himself)

It’s obviously role related
That’s all he needs to know
If he cares to see examples he can check out The DEO’s role in In Memory

So Shiro isn't here?
I feel jipped

I'm guessing someone's a doublevoter then or whatever. I'll see about catching up with that part at least at some point!

[Aristophanes]

So Shiro isn't here?
I feel jipped

I'm guessing someone's a doublevoter then or whatever. I'll see about catching up with that part at least at some point!

Meme Men is Shiro and Sora.

Oh! I thought I was missing them on my list! Neat!

Thanks Jingle

[Aristophanes]

Firthermore, you made a mistake scumreading mastina yesterday

???

[Aristophanes]

tmi

Okay, I still need this new term explained.

I know TMI is "Too Much Info."
But I have seen it used as someone townspewing a few times and here it seems to be leadjng to a scumread and I just...
Someone help me!

[Aristophanes]

Hey MEME,
Why did you choose NR and NSG to pairity?
Why wouldn't you choose a conftown from gladiation so you could either conftown or confscum your target?
And do you have any pairity results from other nights?

[Aristophanes]

Oh, Vecna asked first. I'm still reading up and hoping for an answer.

[Aristophanes]

Hey MEME,
Why did you choose NR and NSG to pairity?
Why wouldn't you choose a conftown from gladiation so you could either conftown or confscum your target?
And do you have any pairity results from other nights?

You answered the last bit but not the rest...

[Aristophanes]

Oh, sorry about that! I missed it somehow :S

[Aristophanes]

I guess you're right in your theory, tho it still would have only given us 1 clear, but at the cost of a town (if they were same-aligned). Don't think it was the optimal choice, though it worked out well!

[Aristophanes]

Someone will have to fill me in on what these yellow votes are. I think O missed something.

[Aristophanes]

Someone will have to fill me in on what these yellow votes are. I think O missed something.

Guess this makes it highly unlikely that JJH + Aristo are scum together

Can confirm lol

Is it slmethjng to do with the vote shenanigans last phase? I don't remember if it was activated but I thought it effected that plase, not this one.

Shows what I know! XD

[Aristophanes]

He prevented all currently active votes from changing. They should probably attempt to revoke or unvote, but it can be assumed they’re locked in.

Forever?

[Aristophanes]

Machine was repaired before last night tho...

[Aristophanes]

I will be very quick to replace for inactivity

Poof RC

[Aristophanes]

I feel like Wheme's sharper than this as town. Anyone disagree?

No one does lmao

I feel like this has come up a few times but you also say not to follkw meta so...

[Aristophanes]

@Profii,
Tl;dr is "because we lynched her"

I had a long flavour writeup for this but have chosen to replace it with the following disclaimer:
If you think I was incompetent enough to write a town role that would have ruined the game in the way that this one has I'm not sure why you would /in to one of my games.

Mastina has been lynched! She was

Ginngie, Scum Claimer of Guilties

.

Spoiler: Mastina

TORANAGA IS SCUM RIGHT GUYS??!?!?!?

Welcome, Mastina! You are Ginngie, Scum Claimer of Guilties. You are a Hated Disloyal Gladiator.



Pls fucking no (Hated): You are hated and outside of LyLo/MyLo situations will require one less vote to lynch.
I HAVE A GUILTY (Disloyal Gladiator): You may claim a guilty on any townie and will be gladiated with them. You may not claim a guilty on anyone mafia-aligned, your action will fail if you do so.

You win when the Town have been removed or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Night has begun and will end at 9:00 PM on the 26th.

[Aristophanes]

The Gladiate targets seem to be decided by committee and I assume Mastina is happy to be leashed in that way?

Not really.

mastina actively refused to gladiate players like NicoRobin.

Which means our not lynching her in a mechanical 1v1 is just...like wtf are we actually doing here? XD

[Aristophanes]

Just realized I'm part of the problem
VOTE: Nico

[Aristophanes]

I'd like to hear from Profi and im still kinda doing things. Why the rush the end day?

Because this game is painful?
Iunno

[Aristophanes]

I'd prefer this day phase to last as long as possible.

Why tho?

[Aristophanes]

to make you sweat.

Okay then.

Just don't see the point in dragging out another dayphase when we have a mechanical 1v1 but *shrugs* you do you!

[Aristophanes]

This might help:

Firebringer - Neighborizor who gives his neighbor the ability to track/watch/voyeur 1 shot each until all used.
Adelbert Steiner - Self Resurrector (No Flip).

Nicorobin - Triplevoter/Tracker, target's choice. (Target's choice is to tell her role, confirmed by mastina/me/Porkens)
Jingle- Yo, been doing the pizza thing. Didn't really hide it.
Vecna- Loud? Jailkeeper with a PR, reflexive fruit vendor (musical flavor IIRC)
Shoshin- Delayed entrance bg
Creature- Flavor Cop (Receives incomplete/useless results)
Meme Men- Pinball Machine Doublevoter

Lady Angel - 'Basically VT'
jjh927- Vote Freezer 1 Shot Deathproof

Invisibility (Cannot have acted last night, was absent for entire phase.)
Aristophanes (Claimed to have not acted last night for one of the reasons given in the PR Roleblocker pm)

Porkens (Refused to give role to NR N1)
Gamma Emerald
Nero Cain
Whemestar
Northsidegal


Abilities we know exist but cannot place:
Roleblocker who causes PRs about the roleblock lasting one day.
Babysitter who appears to be treating their role as a vig shot.

I actually forgot about Adalbert's for a while, but the rest of these are from memory. I may have forgotten somebody.

[Aristophanes]

My bad!
Thanks for that

[Aristophanes]

Alright I've started actualky looking at this game mechanically. Reading up on this day's posts!

Given Sky + Wheme as the smite kills are we leaning SK there or Vig? If SK why aren't there more corpses would be my main question. Thinking about the possibility of Wheme being vigged.

Looking back they acted N3 and N5 meaning probably oddnight. I don't think an SK would get an odd ight restriction unless they got a secondary action as well, especially in a game of this size! Plus flipped roles wording strongly implies no 3P roles.

just thinking out loud but is it more likely that a vig would take out sky just so that day could break than a sk would change kill targets? like I kinda wonder if vig volunteering to shoot sky was the 'solution' that RC found there

-rh

That would be an unacceptable level of Mod influence, so prolly not imo.

Right, this game is going on for such a long time I forgot that stupid roleblocking crap youre not supposed to talk about was a thing

This only showed up recently tho and you are literally referring to it in 7000...what do you mean you forgot about it!?

Continuing on.

[Aristophanes]

Do we care about the singing video's flavour? And Vecna should be considered solidly town as they seem to have stopped 2 kills as well as being a bad lynch if poisoned.
Nero, why are you focusing there?

VOTE: Aristophanes

Why exactly? XD

[Aristophanes]

I noted the wording implied no 3p myself making that list of flips and claims
Had I noticed earlier I would have used it to try to get townlock reads

It's never too late! =D

[Aristophanes]

I think if u color NSG green, u should probably do the same to meme. Regardless, id say it was scums intention that Mastina died durnig the Varsoon shenanigans, but his performance just didnt pull it off.

You can indeed do this. Js

[Aristophanes]

aris were you roleblocked at some point in this game? if so, what night?

By pg 286 in catch up and have yet to see shos state why on Earth she didn't bg if FB , if she really is bg.

vecna stated N5 he jked Porkens (poisoner?) . wheme was mod killed & FB was nked according to RC.
So Pork can’t be the roleblocker, because the jk would stop his rb AND the kill.
I think Pork needs to claim his role and what it does, so we have less chance of mislynch today.


-LH

Indeed. I couldn't claim it derectly at the time, but it was N4 I believe.

If we are to claim among the 3 of us, let me know. If not, I'll be sorted in time anyway so nbd.

[Aristophanes]

(plus, school meant I couldn't read my role PM that game, which was a disaster)

What!?
Like at all!?!?

Don't do that...

[Aristophanes]

That's fine with me. I'm a hider. Flavour is some LOL person.

Hid behind ??? N1, nobody N2 (I forgot to), Kuroi N3, Creature N4 (was blocked), and Meme N5.

[Aristophanes]

Why would you hide behind Meme last night when they were somewhat likely to be shot?

Because if they lived I wanted confirmation that they are town since the claim was, as noted by others, a great fakeclaim to bus Nico with and gain major towncred!

We now can say they are definitely town!

[Aristophanes]

Aren't they all weak?

I am a weird variant where the hide prevents direct killing actions but not other actions.

[Aristophanes]

Oh...one sec then

[Aristophanes]

Shit I just assumed I was weak!
I guess I'm just a lame-aass regular hider
I thought I was getting clears! GDI!

Followup question- why the fuck haven't you been crumbing if you're a weak hider

I don't know if you've noticed but I haven't been all here this game. I thought I crumbed at least one, but I don't remember if I did or not.

[Aristophanes]

I def got no pizza last night btw

[Aristophanes]

I also can agree I suppose. I'm basically useless anyway

[Aristophanes]

SHEEPY!!!!

Welcome back

[Aristophanes]

Ari, still want your actual flavour claim

Np np

I'm Akali, the Fist of Shadow. She seems pretty badass actually!

[Aristophanes]

I barely remember that game XD

But sure, scumread me for it *shrugs*
I'll be dying either way with tonights plan

[Aristophanes]

I mean, lynching me seems like a waste tbh!

[Aristophanes]

I mean, we have a lot of conftown and very close to that still, sk if we take out these and the people jn this plan (obv) we are left with Sheepsaysmeep, Vecna, Lady Angel, Jingle, jjh927, Shoshin as a lynchpool. I dont remember the claims for most of them, but by play sheep's slot was bad. Id give them a bit to catch up though. Lady may be good, and Vecna is really flip floppy for me because while he may have blocked a kill or two, his confidence in that is odd and his role would be better as scum with the setup at hand. Jingle is alright for now with a harmless claim and good play at points, and jjh is deathproof or whatever so not scum unless that's their advantageous role.

[Aristophanes]

Shit, forgot about shoshin. I don't remember reading any of their posts lol

[Aristophanes]

RC answered, Ari is scum.

Hider shows up as a Hider action.

VOTE: Jingle
I can't believe this lie. I hid behind Meme and that's that, so unless I was blocked in some way you are lying.

1v1 me.

[Aristophanes]

Finally caught up again st least. Meme said some dumb things that show he doesn't know how hider works but w/e they're towny anyway.

Vecna town, Porkens (sheep) and Jingle are pretty much confirmed scum from this and the selfvote as a first vote is obviously just to get us to townread them.

[Aristophanes]

How could i have been blocked if I am scum and so is the RB?
Even if there is a scum redirector this makes no sense at all.

But okay, keep pushing this shit
Just means you're the next lynch after I flip town!

[Aristophanes]

I'm saying the claim makes no sense and that if I were loud fakeclaiming this would make zero sense. It would mean noactioning in order to fake being blocked which, Iunno if you're familiar with my play, but I would literally never do!

[Aristophanes]

Hi Aris.

Other than jingle, who is scum?

-LH

Hey Left Head

I think a Jingle/Porkens(sheep) team makes sense. I read a lot in here and it keeps coming back to them. NSG not claiming makes no sense and if not for the Parity clear they would be on this list too. However unless Meme were scum who decided to clear one teammate by bussing another it is extremely unlikely.

I think I missed the fact that Shoshin wasn't here until a certain day too btw. Kinda explains why I had forgotten they were in the game, though the role being a late entry is weird and may indicate 3p of some sort. I don't see either a town or scum being airdropped into a game in progress.

[Aristophanes]

I don't know, this is as baffling to me as it is to you! All I'm saying is that either I was blocked some other way or that their result is bullshit!

Also, I've asked RC multiple questions without answer and yet they happened to get a response moments after he did a real VC?
Seems like they used his appearance to justify this bullshit to me!

[Aristophanes]

Also, I've asked RC multiple questions without answer and yet they happened to get a response moments after he did a real VC?

I asked that question like 4 times over the last ten pages.

Yeah, so?

[Aristophanes]

Unless there's two scum left, Jingle's town.

Pretty sure there's two scum left.

At least we can agree on something here!

[Aristophanes]

As have I mine. And your flip does indeed simplify a hell of a lot! I don't see how we can solve this game without it tbh

[Aristophanes]

Shooting me would work but I am hider so shooting my hiding target was a proposed plan (by jingle, so probably to remove max people in a single phase as it kills myself, Gamma, and LA in one night). This is also why Gamma has stopped posting this phase.

This isn't hard. Lynch Jingle, shoot highest scum iv that remains. I say Nero should shoot sheep, but the babysitter plan is fine if it means we sort the game properly and lynch sheep D7.

[Aristophanes]

If you were to hide behind me, have Gamma babysit me, and then have Nero shoot Gamma, would that kill all three of us?

To my understanding, yes

[Aristophanes]

Organized night plans with a roleblock and possibly redirect in the hands of scum is bad.

We should be down one of those after your lynch tho so *shrugs*

[Aristophanes]

Like this was your idea wasn't it! Why are you backing out of it now?

[Aristophanes]

Nero probably shouldn't shoot anyone tonight if there's a scum redirector.

If not he should be protected for sure! Actually, why wouldn't he shoot and be JK'd? If scum want to kill him, they redirect vecna and risk taking his shot. If not, he is guaranteed alive tomorrow to take another shot!

[Aristophanes]

[Aristophanes]

Ari's claim was like really bad

>Ari claimed rb'ed 2 nights ago, but it's hard to understand why scum would rb him that night
>Ari claims he would never not rb as scum, but I haven't meta'd him to evaluate this claim
>Ari seems like a nice guy, maybe he'd be happier leaving this mess of a game?

It was.

- It would make no sense, true.
- This is my meta to the best of my understanding but also I am bad at remembering my own meta so...
- Thanks! And also, thanks <3

[Aristophanes]

Regardless, its true so *shrugs* I don't knkw what else to say

[Aristophanes]

Porkens is sheep now yes?

I feel like Porkens was laying really low this game and did everything possible to not engage the thread. Neither he nor sheep have been towny and they are probably the best chances for a scum PR.

[Aristophanes]

I'd ask what the VC is at but that seems foolish.

Also yeah, there are enough lynches left that the entore questionmark pool can be gutted so really it doesn't much matter the order! I'd just prefer to live to see the scumteam get obliterated XD

[Aristophanes]

Votecount 6.Ari:

Aristophanes (5/6): Nero Cain, Northsidegal, Gamma, jingle, Shiro, (sora?)
Jingle (3): Ari, Vecna, Lady Angel

Not Voting: Profii, Shoshin, Creature, Sora(?), Sheepsaysmeep

With 13 alive it's 8 to lynch.

The day will end in (expired on 2018-12-23 19:00:00). - its christmas, going to set deadline before then resume after.

This is prolly correct.

I am unsure how the doublevote works so I left sora in both spots.

[Aristophanes]

Not as much fun, but fine I guess

[Aristophanes]

I like to think if I were scum I'd have chosen a role that wasn't just in a game I modded. I legit forget most of CoH so the dumb here is literally just me lol

[Aristophanes]

im here sorry

im finna vote ari but that's still without any idea of whats going on mechanically here besides that theres a 1v1 with jingle who i remember liking

Have you seriously read nothing?

The last, like, 10 pages(?) Have been us discussing all iterations and possibilities! It has been spelled out multiple times! If you're gonna mislynch me at least understand it!

[Aristophanes]

That said, as Vecna has mentioned Jingle is just trying to pull me down with them obviously. Busdriver is a possible role I guess and if Jingle flips town is the only sensible way their results were skewed. Like I was thinking about it today and what if I was busdriven so I hid behind someone else? It would explain why I never got any pizza as well as the lack of hider result. I find it extremely unlikely and have no clue why I was RB'd the night previous but yeah.

[Aristophanes]

I mean the thought occurs

Nihilism is odd-night only maybe?

in which case, Ari's team forgot that random claimed roleblocked?

Like would RC actually let Ari think that Random FORGOT to send a night action a night he received a rb?

HOW. How does ARI GET CONFUSED ABOUT SO MUCH OF HIS ROLE?

gdi

VOTE: Ari -Shiro

-RH

For the record I replaced in D2. Random claimed he had been blocked N1. I never got an answer as to what he did N1 so I don't know the intended target, thus the "???" in my actions. I, however, did forget to act N2. RC never got back to me on his actions so *shrugs* again lol

[Aristophanes]

Yeah, someone just hammer so I can stop reading this. We sorted actions and claims forever ago and it's really dragging now.

Lynch Jingle after my townflip alright?

[Aristophanes]

meming in my game thread is banned and anyone who does so will be promptly modkilled

[Aristophanes]

Who is Jingle's partner again, Ari?
-rh

Sheep or Shoshin make the most sense.

And I think Nero is Activity SK.

[Aristophanes]

[Aristophanes]

Guys this is the first meme I've created in like, literal years!

Please love it

[Aristophanes]

Hey I think that's the fourth meme this game to feature a member of the scumteam

RC is scum!?!? :O

[Aristophanes]

Nobody liked my meme

[Aristophanes]

AND I'm not modkilled!

[Aristophanes]

Bullshit.

[Aristophanes]

<3 <3

This makes me happy
I can die now.

[Aristophanes]

Thank
Fucking
God

[Aristophanes]

Also happy goddamned scumday hammer my friend!

[Aristophanes]

I wish

[Aristophanes]

Ari=Ded

Aristophanes (8): Northsidegal, Gamma Emerald, Jingle, jjh927, Lady Angel, shiro, vecna, prifii
Jingle (2): Aristophanes, Vecna
jjh927 (1): Nero Cain

Not Voting: Adelbert Steiner, Shoshin, Creature, Sora, Sheepsaysmeep

With 13 alive it's 8 to lynch.

The day will end in (expired on 2018-12-23 19:00:00). - its christmas, going to set deadline before then resume after.

pros

[Aristophanes]

whatevs.

I'm deded

[Aristophanes]

Good fucking luck everyone!

[Aristophanes]

How long until lock?

I want to pretent to be scum and troll you all before it happens

[Aristophanes]

Fry'd him XD

[Aristophanes]

All will be opened in 48 hours given consent from all relevant players.

/consent.

[Aristophanes]

I really tried guys. You'll see that in the Scum PT. It ends with like 2 pages of my ramblings as the game fell apart in front of me.

[Aristophanes]

Aristophanes, Varsoon, Nicorobin, Mastina, Wheme, thanks for putting up such a fight

We did all we could!

Well, my claim sucked. But Meme misunderstanding it and thinking I was the one misunderstanding it really did not help! Hahaha

And I was totally going to go with the weak variety but changed that when called out lol

[Aristophanes]

This is my current read of Aristophanes:


He is scum but he is Tim Curry, and this presents a conundrum

-rh

this is how I felt the whole time You're so pleasant I don't want to scumread you, and yet...

That was a great post! I'd forgotten about it, but it was great XD

Thanks Krazy! <3

[Aristophanes]

I mean, I strongly considered NKing her...

[Aristophanes]

Ur memes were good ari

<3 <3

[Aristophanes]

I'm kinda disappointed I didn't see through the obvious mod provided fakeclaim at the end but oh well

You think I asked for a fakeclaim when I hadn't even gotten answers to like 3 other questions in the PT?
No.

You'll see my struggle to come up with that. My joy and hatred of it. My being both impressed and disgraced with it.