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Also like Xtoxm is such an unlikely townread for Creature to call before the wagon fully dissipated. Just noticed this-
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I guess it makes sense from a technical POV if they're s/s but that doesn't feel like creature's style either-
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I'm not having an easy time reading Mewtaph so far (but he's just put of catchup mode so maybe that's normal idk)
There's a keyser shaped hole in my soul....... I don't really want to lynch there d1 tbh
Lerf/AlmostNancy/Nauci I think you need to scumcase Xtoxm or move your votes-
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Hold on I think I might be forgetting posts of yours. I tried but I think I phased out of this game for a day or so, I'll go check your Xtoxm caseIn post 1419, Nauci wrote:
I don't understand this requestIn post 1408, the worst wrote:Lerf/AlmostNancy/Nauci I think you need to scumcase Xtoxm or move your votes
Xtoxm and mew are the two players I have scum cased while waiting for Keyser and saudade-slot to make content
Where are you lynching today when you just eliminated all of the current people wagons and have your vote on a basically empty just replaced in slot!?!
Like you're not showing signs of scum worst but this almost feels like classic scum signs to not be able to scum case anybody O_o
And I don't understand how you're so sure xtoxm is town that you'd sooner go after varsoon!?!
I'm actually struggling to work out where the hell to nuke today but I do think Sausage townreading me then ignoring my attempts to reach out and repping out is >>rand scum
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viewtopic.php?t=76709&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=GoIn post 1434, Keyser Söze wrote:So are we saying the tone/over-confidence/sheep reads/self-voting are all outside Creature's scum game?
Someone needs to convince me here.
Feast your eyes
Creature's best scum iso, don't read the whole thing if you don't want but just have a squizz-
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for the record my vote on Sausage's slot stepped from intent to pressure more than bloodthirsty confidence its a scumslot but I think there's scumtells there and no towntells and I don't like the way you're shading me for keeping my vote there one bit.In post 1435, the worst wrote:
Hold on I think I might be forgetting posts of yours. I tried but I think I phased out of this game for a day or so, I'll go check your Xtoxm caseIn post 1419, Nauci wrote:
I don't understand this requestIn post 1408, the worst wrote:Lerf/AlmostNancy/Nauci I think you need to scumcase Xtoxm or move your votes
Xtoxm and mew are the two players I have scum cased while waiting for Keyser and saudade-slot to make content
Where are you lynching today when you just eliminated all of the current people wagons and have your vote on a basically empty just replaced in slot!?!
Like you're not showing signs of scum worst but this almost feels like classic scum signs to not be able to scum case anybody O_o
And I don't understand how you're so sure xtoxm is town that you'd sooner go after varsoon!?!
I'm actually struggling to work out where the hell to nuke today but I do think Sausage townreading me then ignoring my attempts to reach out and repping out is >>rand scum
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Hit and miss - need to keep working & it's my last day in Adelaide.In post 1439, Shoshin wrote:the worst, you around for a bit?
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Yeah okay that's not the worst. The first time I saw creature he was scum twice in a row, our third game together he was town and I was blown over by the depth of differences between his games. That has closed in a bit now but a lot of tells still applyIn post 1443, Keyser Söze wrote:
I don't know what I'm supposed to be seeing here. Bulletpoints would be helpful.In post 1436, the worst wrote:
viewtopic.php?t=76709&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=GoIn post 1434, Keyser Söze wrote:So are we saying the tone/over-confidence/sheep reads/self-voting are all outside Creature's scum game?
Someone needs to convince me here.
Feast your eyes
Creature's best scum iso, don't read the whole thing if you don't want but just have a squizz
I would categorize their play as conventionally hard to read. I didn't understand the early town reads on him this game, and didn't like him opening up to the possibility of me being scum with no unique/progressive take on his own. I felt I was the go to wagon. I smelled opportunism.
look for the way he forms townreads there (you're lacking context but hopefully it explains a little?) and the way he hops from wagon to wagon like he's testing what will work, and his tone is substantially more frozen
if you think he's scum here I probably want to be countercased before I'll consider it because I feel faaaairly good about that read-
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I think I'd disagree w this for most people other than creature but I think it's within his burned out townrange and I like this observation a lotIn post 1453, skitter30 wrote:In post 1396, Creature wrote:Do we have time to pressure wagon me?
like even this feels kinda townie to me; i dont'think scum!him asks to be a pressure wagon (or that it should happen while he *will* be able around, as opposed to just not mentioning that he'd be busy tomorrow)In post 1397, Creature wrote:Preferably today because tomorrow I'll be busy again-
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I think there's a lot of those little creatures quirks in his ISO which doesn't come from scum!Creature and most importantly very rarely from groupscum!Creature-
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I feel like its probably {NM, Mewtaph, Kokichi}In post 1463, Shoshin wrote:the worst, who is in your lynch pool?
there's a few slots I don't feel all that good about but don't want lynched D1.. :/-
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I guess I'd like some Nauci goodness before EoD but I think she's the worst d1 lynch within my PoE-
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Yeah this is exactly how I feel rnIn post 1478, skitter30 wrote:
i don't really want to like lynch her today or anything but she just doesn't feel townie to me at all rnIn post 1473, the worst wrote:I guess I'd like some Nauci goodness before EoD but I think she's the worst d1 lynch within my PoE-
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This is very much why I omitted her from my d1 lynchpool (plus a few other townreads on her and the fact I'm worried I'm having Nauci-post-amnesia which I don't have capacity to check rn)In post 1479, Shoshin wrote:I'm never lynching Nauci, so unless you think I'm that wrong about a townread (which has literally never been the case), don't lynch her.-
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I'm just gonna come out and say it because the more I think about this the more silly it feels: Shoshin how sure are you feeling about Varsoon being town? his early blowup at you felt like a caricature of his ragetowngame which I'm pretty sure he could emulate as scum, and it seems like a really intuitive way to pocket you and work his way into the townblock.-
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Do you think the ragespam he exhibited is outside of his scumrange or is it his later posting?In post 1489, Shoshin wrote:I still think Varsoon's town.-
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This speaks tinfoil to me but in a 'I had the same paranoid moment' kind of wayIn post 1496, Keyser Söze wrote:
Reading on: There is a chance of scum-Nauci laughing at my Relly-Nauci scum team theory and then adoring/defending/pocketing town-Relly here, correct?In post 1480, the worst wrote:
Yeah this is exactly how I feel rnIn post 1478, skitter30 wrote:
i don't really want to like lynch her today or anything but she just doesn't feel townie to me at all rnIn post 1473, the worst wrote:I guess I'd like some Nauci goodness before EoD but I think she's the worst d1 lynch within my PoE
Does this speak: tin foil, unsupported BS or mid-rep notions to you?-
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Never lynch Xtoxm or skitter today, imo. Unless I'm being really stupid I think both of them are fairly likely town and on a towntelling trajectory.In post 1505, Shoshin wrote:If any of my top townreads (Irrelpehant, the worst, or Nauci) strongly townread any of the playeres in my poe (Kokichi, Xtom, Performer, Key, Not_Mafia, Mew, Skitter, Mitillos), then I'd remove them from the poe. I think if we work collectively, we should be able to narrow this down for a very high probability lynch.
Xtoxm's opening was pretty weak but I think it checks out as disengaged town a fair way before scum. If you have more solid meta on him feel free to swing in here, and I definitely don't intend to let him have an easy time. But at the same time I can't see myself supporting this d1.
I think the way skitter popped in earlier today is pretty town indicative (and she's done a few things earlier in this phase which have already made me stop and wonder whether she's outside of her scumrange). She's Bloody Good Scum so this is another one I'm being careful as hell with but lynching skitter d1 should be illegal-
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You betcha.In post 1516, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Why are you voting my predecessor. Did they do bad things?In post 1510, the worst wrote:Varsoon what the fuck are you trying to do?
He tried to pocket me, then ignored me trying to reach out to him.
Very bad things indeed. :/-
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I love the idea of pressuring Kokichi but I don't think he was ever going to reply tellingly to you faking a guilty then quizzing him about the scum pt?-
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This is valid (Shoshin's repsonss too)In post 1524, Nauci wrote:
It's all of the posts he has done outside of the shoshinteractions that have him in my town pileIn post 1487, the worst wrote:I'm just gonna come out and say it because the more I think about this the more silly it feels: Shoshin how sure are you feeling about Varsoon being town? his early blowup at you felt like a caricature of his ragetowngame which I'm pretty sure he could emulate as scum, and it seems like a really intuitive way to pocket you and work his way into the townblock.
Despite the angry reaction he was still managing to output well thought out game analysis pretty frequently
I lay down my tinfoil hat-
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Mitillos should be removed from the d1 PoE as well yeah-
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The fake guilty thing gave me a tiny ping back to a dayvig I faked as scum once tbh-
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Sorry, I need to jump back into your ISO asap because I'm clearly misremembering some stuff. Can you quote your NM scumcase?-
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yeah, unfortunately bored town NM gets prods as well
hold on I'll go reread him, I'm pretty indifferent towards lynching there and I think I liked something he said-
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In post 1545, AlmostNancy wrote:In post 1519, the worst wrote:
You betcha.In post 1516, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Why are you voting my predecessor. Did they do bad things?In post 1510, the worst wrote:Varsoon what the fuck are you trying to do?
He tried to pocket me, then ignored me trying to reach out to him.
Very bad things indeed. :/Is this is what kids are calling a “pocket” these days?
I guess most of the playerlist must be scum in that case.
can't help the cheekiness-
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I literally can't remember why I liked nm. Hard to keep up with 15 slots-
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NM reads self conscious and awkward to you when he's scum? that's weird, he plays it safe but I don't think he's all that restrained tonally as scum-
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Yeah the list in this game is like, better than I thought was practically possible rn. <3 glad it's been so spicy and engaging so far.-
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I think we should be talking with you more tomorrow Creature but the idea of pressurewagoning you this close to EoD when the competing wagons don't have all that many votes on them kinda stresses me out
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That is a very good post and makes me feel a little bad. I'll do an applied reread but I wonder if I've been focusing on paranoiareading Nauci and kinda unconsciously waiting for HYPER WALLPOST GOD TOWN Nauci to appear and show me the way-
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Eh that vote works from you as either alignment I just think you've triggered my policy lust for holding your vote then voting over the ellitell
I'll think about this when sober-
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He's comfortably in my PoE I just think I'm slightly triggered by people who don't enjoy playing mafia/aren't good at it using generally sweeping meta bullshit as reasons to think people are scum.In post 1590, AlmostNancy wrote:In post 1588, Mewtaph wrote:Xtoxm has been recently active on site but chose not to post here.
VOTE: Xtoxm???
Why the naked vote on Mewtaph?
Don't think Mewtaph fits in this category and I have a good impression of his towngame so he's probably just a wolf for it-
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Like Xtoxm and Harpoon have both spoken about their issues with the early townreadspam and I think Xtoxm came out of it townier, Mewt opens up by asking Xtoxm to talk about what reads he disagreed with then....... never reassesses his read and votes him over the ellitell? when Xtoxm has contributed more than he has? And he hasn't placed a vote all game?
If this isn't coasting wolf trying to flail at a mislynch IDK what is-
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But I'm also wary of the fact I'm fucking easily triggered by people using bullshit holistic meta tells so I might be seeing red-
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Tell me why he's scum without referring to out of thread activity.
I'm having issues you've posted broad circular reads which are pretty much what's ITT and haven't been able to reach any interesting takes and your first vote is on Xtoxm for an ellitell?
as far as I can tell your only scumread is on Xtoxm for out of game reasons? you read frozen af and pushing on angleshooting isn't making you look any townier.-
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Ellibereth said if someone's posting in every game but one consistently they're probably scum in said game
it's true sometimes. it's probably not a read Elli uses reliably because he's actually good at mafia but people who don't like reading ingame content seem to use shit like this a lot to angleshoot scumreads
Read his ISO and report backIn post 1598, Mewtaph wrote:Additionally, he (Xtoxm) never actually engaged with me about "townreadspam" and my questions and just continued to shade giving out townreads which I think is bullshit because if a player deserves a townread, they deserve a fucking townread. Way to stay flat-line zero content outside of somewhat towny tone while preventing mutual town trust from forming. I'll kick this with a vote any day of the week and advocate for lynch if they continue to do nothing.
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using the ellitell in general doesn't make someone lockscum. I scumread a50 for different reasons in CoH. if Mewt was pushing anything except the Ellitell and generic reads maybe I wouldn't think who was a wolf.In post 1604, AlmostNancy wrote:
Did you forget where I mentioned that A50 did the exact same thing in CofH? You can object to his reasoning but I don’t see how it makes him scum here?In post 1599, the worst wrote:Tell me why he's scum without referring to out of thread activity.
I'm having issues you've posted broad circular reads which are pretty much what's ITT and haven't been able to reach any interesting takes and your first vote is on Xtoxm for an ellitell?
as far as I can tell your only scumread is on Xtoxm for out of game reasons? you read frozen af and pushing on angleshooting isn't making you look any townier.-
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Quote things from his recent ISO that makes you feel this way. I think there's been evidence of reevaluation of his read on Shoshin and I think most of his posting besides the early stuff has been good.In post 1606, Mewtaph wrote:Xtoxm's posts are completely devoid of any kind of scum hunting so far. Throwing shade towards Shoshin and "throwing around town reads" doesn't count. His lack of voting and pandering to those that town read him also signals to me he is trying to see if his shade catches on, before leaving the thread and letting misdirected townies do his dirty work of steering the lynch away from him.
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I'm a bit tilted and fairly drunk so I'm going to go to bed soon. Do this thing though please-
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No?In post 1609, AlmostNancy wrote:Yes and you were wrong about A50, are you forgetting that part?
Ergo using the ellitell makes someone locktown?
what are you getting at? I don't think Mewtaph is town anyway, his tacky way of coasting has just pissed me off tonight to boot. If he is town it's up to him to start fucking playing the game so we can read him correctly, his contributions have been shit.-
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What does this have to do with Xtoxm's alignment? As I remember this was part of the ridiculous shitfight about the integrity of Shoshin's game?In post 1612, AlmostNancy wrote:Yeah, and that “re-evaluation” came right after he got called out on trying to shade her by lifting her quote from the signup thread and making it seem like it was taken from THIS game.
Mewtaph wrote:How have I not played the game?me!! wrote:Quote things from his recent ISO that makes you feel this way. I think there's been evidence of reevaluation of his read on Shoshin and I think most of his posting besides the early stuff has been good.
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What am I meant to debunk? He hasn't said anything that consistutes an interesting take or anything that's worth debunking I don't think? His first stance that's interested me is his vote on Xtoxm so I've asked him to explain it and said I think it comes from a wolf so he's ridiculing meIn post 1614, AlmostNancy wrote:
But why don’t you debunk his arguments then? You haven’t addressed them yet.In post 1611, the worst wrote:
No?In post 1609, AlmostNancy wrote:Yes and you were wrong about A50, are you forgetting that part?
Ergo using the ellitell makes someone locktown?
what are you getting at? I don't think Mewtaph is town anyway, his tacky way of coasting has just pissed me off tonight to boot. If he is town it's up to him to start fucking playing the game so we can read him correctly, his contributions have been shit.-
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Do you want me to towncase Xtoxm? What are you asking for? This is the reason I don't want to engage with you this phase, it feels like a whole lot of your questions are just misinterpreting what I'm doing and asking me pointed questions about my intention and what I'm angling at etc. etc. when I haven't really had a chance to work my magic.
If I could have had a fucking conversation with Mewtaph without you butting in and asking all these questions we might have gotten somewhere and I might be less annoyed. Hutbi bet this meta abusing scumfuck is just going to keep coasting and assume he has no reason to respond to my request anyway-
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The conversation was whether or not Shoshin is boasty and whether or not she has a strong towngame? like what's the deal? what's the problem with quoting her out of thread if the conversation is about her personality/pkaystyle and not explicitly game related?In post 1618, AlmostNancy wrote:
Because it was freaking shady to lift a quote outside of the game and use it to shade her IN THIS GAME by making it look, like that quote was taken FROM THIS GAME!In post 1615, the worst wrote:
What does this have to do with Xtoxm's alignment? As I remember this was part of the ridiculous shitfight about the integrity of Shoshin's game?In post 1612, AlmostNancy wrote:Yeah, and that “re-evaluation” came right after he got called out on trying to shade her by lifting her quote from the signup thread and making it seem like it was taken from THIS game.
Mewtaph wrote:How have I not played the game?me!! wrote:Quote things from his recent ISO that makes you feel this way. I think there's been evidence of reevaluation of his read on Shoshin and I think most of his posting besides the early stuff has been good.
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if anything he did was shady it was suggesting Shoshin was scum via bop for scumreading him earlier in the game and I don't feel like people have even talked about that
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In post 1596, Mewtaph wrote:I don't really get why you're making this more hectic than it needs to though? He's been posting elsewhere on site but has opted not to post here. Maybe this is the wrong way to "kick" him into doing something considering the tone of his slot, but he hasn't done enough for me not to put my vote there.
This is always ridiculing. I think I was really transparent about what I wanted from Mewtaph, but he ignores me and refers to a version of Xtoxm which existed hundreds of posts ago in a different gamestateIn post 1613, Mewtaph wrote:How have I not played the game?
because he's trying to sort Xtoxm and paying attention to his recent posts? maybe. that's what I want him to show me.
because he thought Xtoxm was mislynchable so decided to push it? maybe. that's what I want to see.-
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Fucking whatever. I can't fucking reaction test some dude who's posted unexciting bullshit since replacing in because you're absolutely intent on drowning me in pointless questions and derailing everything I try to do. I don't know why the fuck I try.
If I wake up still salty I'm going to ignore this thread categorically until I'm in Vietnam. Mewtaph maybe you'd better vote me for that.-
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Sorry. I've been busy and I'm highly strung. I think you're awesome but this is part of why I'm not having an easy time working out your alignment. Your direction feels all over the place, like a lot of this stuff you're asking is never alignment indicative and accomplishes virtually nothing. and A50 isn't doing all that much so far.
it's just frustrating
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he didn't imply it was from this thread tho? and like why would he even do that as scum to try and win a pissing contest?AlmostNancy wrote:
To me, making a quote from a different thread appear like it was taken from this game is really sketchy. I have no idea what he is going to flip but it’s one of the sketchiest things I’ve seen anyone in the game do so far. And you can mischariterize my read all you like but it pinged tf out of me.In post 1622, the worst wrote:if anything he did was shady it was suggesting Shoshin was scum via bop for scumreading him earlier in the game and I don't feel like people have even talked about that
the path you're chasing him down is not a path that leads to flipping scum dude-
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After Mewtaph has a go scumcasing him I'll consider it
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since no one is seeing what I'm seeing:
Mewtaph has asked Xtoxm the same question a lot of us have already asked him (which townreads gave him pause)
I think he's already answered that question really well, and I think his answer was town indicative. Mewtaph has ignored his reads and later contribution and comments about playstyle anxiety leading him to freak out about the early townreads. Follow his reads and it's probably pretty clear that he had his own takes, but the Big Bad Townblock was too much for him to like.
Mewtaph thinks he's a mislynch / has not noticed that Xtoxm's initial freak-out about the townreadspam actually kinda checks out, so shades him for not responding and votes him over ellitell
I ask Mewtaph to back the ellitell up with an actual scumcase. He cites the very early part of Xtoxm's contributions. I ask him to go back to his later iso and show me which of Xtoxm's posts are making him still feel that way
Nancy randomly charge-tackles me to the ground and Mewtaph stands there watching us and acting all surprised that I asked him to back up this read.
Like idfk he hasn't warlocked Nancy, she did it of her own volition but I'm fucking done if I'm being shaded for asking someone who's done sweet fuck all to back up a horseshit holistic meta tell with an actual scumcase on a slot I'm townreading-
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No quite the opposite, I'm bold face taking this at face value and assuming you're town:In post 1634, AlmostNancy wrote:Ah, is this back to shading me, for pointing out fucking common sense?
Why does scum!Xtoxm quote an out of thread post to win a pissing contest more than town!Xtoxm does?
Do you think he actually intended to present it as in-game material? (I don't) if you do, why does that actually matter for his alignment?
write out the 'fake = scum' argument ofc-
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Yeah agreed totally. There's a cluster of players - {you, Shoshin, skitter, Nauci, Irrelephant, Keyser} - more centrally who I would be outright scumreading if you didn't engage with me meaningfully. Actually now I'm thinking about it that's a pretty noted difference between out t/t games and Heroes Wanted, you had a really hard time interacting with me there.In post 1637, AlmostNancy wrote:However, you shouldn’t ever be seriously considering scumreading me or anyone else for refusing to go easy on you, just because I happen to like you so much. Quite the contrary in fact, I would assume.
I’ll accept your mea culpa and try not to be annoying or smug about it.
On the flipside sometimes it does help to give people a bit of agency. I was kinda hoping to scare the crap out of Mewtaph there and I don't think it had the desired effect.-
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I'm gonna turn in... I'm sorry if I was offensive Nancy or Mewtaph.
I never intend to outright hurt feelings, and I hope my last few posts especially speak for where my mind's at.-
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Eh if I'm giving off the aura that I don't respect you this game it might be better it I do take a break. If anything I respect you too much to feign confidence when I'm not ready yet. Sorry if it's giving you bad juju.
I know you use your own reasoning to attack scum and I've seen it be both effective and ineffective. Doesn't matter, none of us are right 100% of the time (I think my reads are probably slightly below random) so I'm really comfortable working with you but like in turn, I'm gonna challenge you if I feel like you're on a wrong track or I don't see what you're getting at.
Incidentally yeah the post you've just thrown down tells me you saw the same alarm bell I saw in Xtoxm's posting (the bop thing). It's fine, I'm not going to go into this until after Mewtaph has spoken, like at all. but I definitely see what you're getting at. I just don't think the out of thread origin of that quote actually matters all that much-
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You and Nauci are two people I really want to reengage with about Xtoxm after I talk with Mewtaph. I think sorting him is a lot more valuable than going through it in detail rn though-
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